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Election 2022

U.S. Voters Are 'Vulnerable' to 'Foreign Manipulation,' No Matter How Inept, The New York Times Warns

Journalists who sound the alarm about Russian propaganda are unfazed by the lack of evidence that it has a meaningful impact.

Jacob Sullum | 11.7.2022 3:00 PM

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Russia has "reactivate[d] its trolls and bots ahead of Tuesday's midterms," The New York Times warns, aiming to "influence American elections and, perhaps, erode support for Ukraine." According to Times reporter Steven Lee Myers, those online propaganda initiatives "show not only how vulnerable the American political system remains to foreign manipulation but also how purveyors of disinformation have evolved and adapted to efforts by the major social media platforms to remove or play down false or deceptive content."

As with previous panics about Russian "election interference" that was intended to "sow chaos," the details do not match the hype. The example that Myers leads with, a Gab account under the name "Nora Berka," is supposed to illustrate how "vulnerable" voters are to online rants by Russians disguised as Americans and how cleverly those operatives take advantage of U.S. political divisions. But it actually shows how lame these efforts are and how implausible it is to suggest that they have any measurable impact on people's opinions, let alone electoral outcomes.

"After a yearlong silence on the social media platform," Myers breathlessly reports, Berka "resurfaced in August," when she reposted "a handful of messages with sharply conservative political themes before writing a stream of original vitriol." Berka's posts "mostly denigrated President Biden and other prominent Democrats, sometimes obscenely." They "also lamented the use of taxpayer dollars to support Ukraine in its war against invading Russian forces, depicting Ukraine's president as a caricature straight out of Russian propaganda."

How worried should we be that pseudonymous Russians linked to "the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg" are adding their voices to the cacophony that passes for online political debate in the United States? Very worried, Myers suggests: "The goal, as before, is to stoke anger among conservative voters and to undermine trust in the American electoral system. This time, it also appears intended to undermine the Biden administration's extensive military assistance to Ukraine."

Yet Myers presents no evidence to suggest that Berka-style commentary has actually advanced those goals. He tells us that Berka's account, which he presents as a prime example of the "Russian trolls and bots" that were "called to action like sleeper cells" in August and September, "has more than 8,000 followers." The account focuses "exclusively on political issues—not in just one state but across the country —and often spreads false or misleading posts." Myers concedes that "most have little engagement," although "a recent post about the F.B.I. received 43 responses and 11 replies, and was reposted 64 times." If that is the most persuasive evidence of Berka's influence that Myers can find, it seems safe to say the republic will survive her faux fulminations.

Myers says "a number of Russian campaigns" have "turned to Gab, Parler, Getter [sic] and other newer platforms that pride themselves on creating unmoderated spaces in the name of free speech." These are "much smaller campaigns than those in the 2016 election, where inauthentic accounts reached millions of voters across the political spectrum on Facebook and other major platforms."

The verb reached is doing a lot of work in that sentence. "Millions" refers to social media users who might have seen posts by "inauthentic accounts." Whether they actually read and digested those messages—and, more to the point, whether the propaganda affected their views or their voting behavior—is a different question. Given the typical quality of these efforts, it seems doubtful that they had a meaningful impact.

A Facebook ad posted by the "Army of Jesus" in October 2016, for instance, depicted the presidential election as an arm-wrestling match between Satan and the Son of God. "If I win Clinton wins!" Satan said in the headline. "Not if I can help it!" Jesus replied. Politico reported that the ad, which targeted "people age 18 to 65+ interested in Christianity, Jesus, God, Ron Paul and media personalities such as Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Mike Savage, among other topics," generated 71 impressions and 14 clicks.

New York Times reporters and other alarmists warned that the Jesus-and-Satan ad was part of a "disinformation" campaign that aimed to "sow chaos or discord" and "reshape U.S. politics." Facebook said it had identified about 3,000 political ads purchased by 470 or so "inauthentic accounts" that "likely operated out of Russia" between June 2015 and May 2017. The $100,000 spent on those ads was not even a drop in the bucket of Facebook's ad revenue, which totaled $27 billion in 2016. Facebook estimated that "information operations," defined as "actions taken by governments or organized non-state actors to distort domestic or foreign political sentiment," accounted for "less than one-tenth of a percent of the total reach of civic content" during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Myers nevertheless assures us that clandestine Russian propaganda posed a fearsome threat in 2016 because it "reached millions of voters across the political spectrum on Facebook and other major platforms." And while the scale of such efforts is "much smaller" this year, he says, they "are no less pernicious" in "reaching impressionable users who can help accomplish Russian objectives."

To back up that counterintuitive claim, Myers quotes Brian Liston, "a senior intelligence analyst with Recorded Future who identified the Nora Berka account." Although the audiences on alternative social media platforms such as Gab, Parler, and Gettr are "much, much smaller than on your other traditional social media networks," Liston avers, "you can engage the audiences in much more targeted influence ops because those who are on these platforms are generally U.S. conservatives who are maybe more accepting of conspiratorial claims."

The 2016 messages tied to Russia were also "targeted," as the placement of the Jesus-and-Satan ad illustrates. And the fact that many conservatives endorse wacky conspiracy theories does not mean they need foreign aid to do so.

In case Berka's mockery of Biden is not enough to show "how vulnerable the American political system remains to foreign manipulation," Myers also notes "a recent series of cartoons that appeared on Gab, Gettr, Parler and the discussion forum patriots.win." The cartoons, identified as the work of "an artist named 'Schmitz,'" "disparaged Democrats in the tightest Senate and governor races."

One cartoon "targeting Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia, who is Black, employed racist motifs," while "another falsely claimed that Representative Tim Ryan, the Democratic Senate candidate in Ohio, would release 'all Fentanyl distributors and drug traffickers' from prison." Myers concedes that "the cartoons received little engagement and did not spread virally to other platforms." He nevertheless wants us to believe that such awful stuff poses a qualitatively different threat to "the American political system" than equally awful stuff produced by actual U.S. citizens.

Myers admits "it may be hard to measure the exact impact of these accounts on voters come Tuesday." But "at a minimum," he says, they "contribute to what Edward P. Perez, a board member with the OSET Institute, a nonpartisan election security organization, called 'manufactured chaos' in the country's body politic."

At the same time, Myers suggests that Americans don't really need Russian assistance to engage in ill-informed, dishonest, or hyperbolic political discussions. "While Russians in the past sought to build large followings for their inauthentic accounts on the major platforms," he says, paraphrasing Perez, "today's campaigns could be smaller and yet still achieve a desired effect—in part because the divisions in American society are already such fertile soil for disinformation." Since 2016, Perez says, "it appears that foreign states can afford to take some of the foot off the gas," because "they have already created such sufficient division that there are many domestic actors to carry the water of disinformation for them."

Although the premise that "foreign states" are responsible for "division" among Americans is highly dubious, researchers like Perez and journalistic accomplices like Myers take it for granted. No matter how puny, unsophisticated, or seemingly ineffectual Russian "disinformation" might be, it is always a grave threat to democracy because Americans are so "impressionable," especially when their political views lean right. Those rubes accept implausible claims without asking for evidence, as long as the claims reinforce their preexisting beliefs. The Times seems blithely unaware that it is illustrating the same tendency.

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  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Maybe there's some truth to this. Elections are decided by people who haven't made up their minds. Maybe they haven't made up their minds because they're full of mush, and they make their choice based upon what they see on Facebook. I'd like to think people are smarter than that, but these comments assure me otherwise.

    1. mulched   3 years ago

      But never a personal attack, you guys...

      1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

        The threat is much closer.

        The forest for the trees.

        Vote Fraud:21 confirmed illegalities, irregularities from 2020 election

        http://crimeresearch.org/2022/07/vote-fraud21-confirmed-illegalities-irregularities-from-2020-election/

        1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

          Courts Finally Admit Election Irregularities after Stonewalling Trump

          http://headlineusa.com/courts-admit-voting-irregularities/

          1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

            THE CHAIRMAN’S REPORT OF THE ELECTION LAW
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            SUMMARY OF TESTIMONY FROM DECEMBER 3, 2020 HEARING
            Honorable William T. Ligon, Chairman
            “V. FINDINGS
            1- The November 3, 2020 election was chaotic and the results cannot be trusted.

            http://citizenwells.substack.com/p/election-fraud-irregularities-and

            1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

              One of the reasons we know the 2020 election was illegitimate is that Joe Biden’s results had no down ballot success, a statistical improbability because of what we know about political science, behavior psychology, and down ballot participation rates. In fact, not one House Republican incumbent lost. House Republicans actually gained 14 seats in 2020.

              http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/coup-team-biden-bragged-rigging-brazil-election-president-bolsonaro-election-day-says-stop-steal-leader-ali-alexander/

              1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

                Googles policy regarding what will be censored, banned, erased and deplatformed from ALL the websites it hosts.

                “Election integrity: Content advancing false claims that widespread fraud, errors, or glitches occurred in certain past elections to determine heads of government. Or, content that claims that the certified results of those elections were false. This policy currently applies to:
                Any past U.S. Presidential election
                The 2021 German federal election
                The 2014, 2018, and 2022 Brazilian Presidential elections
                Keep in mind that this isn’t a complete list.”

                https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/10835034?hl=en

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              2. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

                Or, Occam's Razor plays a role here. Get this, people simply didn't like Trump but they also didn't like progressive policy.

                Amazing how these obvious facts are so ignored by everyone.

                1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

                  The evidence of censorship of election irregularities is obvious and irrefutable.

                  “Maybe” just doesn’t cut it.

                  1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

                    The evidence that Trump is very disliked and Republicans were successful in 2020 is irrefutable. So, I'll go with the obvious rather than some bullshit conspiracy theory. But, since you are a Holocaust denier, I understand why you would rather go with bullshit conspiracies.

              3. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                Why would someone go to the trouble of faking millions of ballots and not bother to "win" more races?

                1. Rex L'Amoureaux   3 years ago

                  You can't win them all, that's too suspicious. There are some people who want to raise questions when a Philadelphia precinct has 108% voter turnout and 109% of the votes go to the Democrat.

                  1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                    Which precinct was that?

                  2. JohnZ   3 years ago

                    The Democrats in Pennsylvania are already trying to get undated ballots authorized.
                    Fetterman and his bunch are in a panic.

                2. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

                  Because using this logic sours the ability to claim a stolen election.

        2. Gold Hoarder   3 years ago

          Or maybe the democrats just suck and have done a terrible job. They like to make excuses instead of facing the fact people hate them.

    2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      The fact of Russian interference is not controversial--not in 2016, 2020 or in 2022. It is happening, and unless it is a total waste of hard currency, it is probably having some effect. But, having "some effect" and having "a decisive effect" are quite different things--and there is no evidence that such propaganda is effective enough to have changed the result of any election.

      Kinda like "election fraud"...

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        "Election fraud"...

        You mean that which Team D is pushing ahead of the election actually taking place tomorrow? The only place it's happening, and really has happened consistently over the past decade is in blue states, exported from Chicago, where they have manufactured votes for decades (maybe a good century now).

        Why is it Democrat run areas hold back their vote count until after everyone else is done?
        Why is it that Democrat run states allow for mail-in ballots to be counted without a postmark for a good two weeks after the election (as Illinois does)?
        Why is it Democrats want to allow partial addresses on mail-in ballots instead of following state law that mandates the address section be properly filled out?
        Answer those, and your answers regarding election fraud might be better answered. Try it, Shrike, you might actually learn something not in your talking points memo for the day.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          I don't care about Democrats the way you do, but why is it so many Republicans have already declined to say they would respect the election results--win or lose?

          1. Ben of Houston   3 years ago

            Because such a claim is meaningless and you know it. Additionally, it's foolish to promise to respect a ballot if you believe there could be fraud.

            In fact, if you have evidence that something is fraudulent, the only moral stand is to not accept the vote.

        2. JohnZ   3 years ago

          Careful, the FBI will be knocking your door down to arrest you for wrong think.

      2. wagnert in atlanta   3 years ago

        My personal opinion is feckless "foreign interference" is given far more circulation by the alarmist press then it would ever get by itself.

      3. JFree   3 years ago

        Yevgeny Prigozhin (Putin's chef, founder of Wagner Group and a St Petersburg troll farm that probably "employs" some of the bots here) has admitted to past election interference and says he will do it again.

        1. damikesc   3 years ago

          Just not in 2020. Did not want to support the candidate who would do, literally, everything Russia wanted.

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    3. Bill Falcon   3 years ago

      The damn Czar again right NYT? Fiona HIll was just on Lex and said Russia liked the idea their FB posts were believed to have swing the election knowing it was a bit of a joke. And let's be hones..how many millions or billions has the US spent in Brazil? Or Russia (Yeltsin 1996 which started the rise of Yeltsin's boy Putin)? Hell I wonder if Israel is putting money into US elections? Germany? The Brits? China? The NYT still cannot get over the fact Clinton lost in 2016...that is what this is about. If tomorrow the GOP pulls this out, be prepard for the Russia Collusion narrative again..that is if the Dems can seem to pull the votes from Cities after the Rural and Suburban votes are in (the old Dem game plan).

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        Hang on--are you saying foreign election interference works, or doesn't work?

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  3. JimboJr   3 years ago

    "Russia has "reactivate[d] its trolls and bots ahead of Tuesday's midterms"

    LMFAO.

    Seriously. No shame. We just had the CLEANEST EVER election, and now that dems are about to get fucked, we can just dust off 'russia-gate' and play the hits.

    Holy shit they cant help themselves.

    1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      Well there are useful idiots like Jacob that will believe it just like last time.

  4. Jerry B.   3 years ago

    Of course, Democrats have their disinformation channels as well. ABC, NBC, CBS, WAPO, NY Times, etc., which reach way more than 8,000 followers.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Are they foreign-owned, too?

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        How many times do they cite the guardian or uk independent?

      2. JohnZ   3 years ago

        Owned by the chosenites.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          ...is the expected answer.

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      ABC, NBC, CBS, WAPO, NY Times, etc

      Facts are liberal propaganda. Everyone knows that.

      Now let's get back to the War on Christmas. Libs are still trying to ban Christmas you know.

      1. Jerry B.   3 years ago

        Facts and the liberal media don’t even have a nodding acquaintance.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

          So you agree about the libs War on Christmas. It really is shameful.

          1. damikesc   3 years ago

            How about nobody hearing of inflation until just recently? That was on MSNBC.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Oh look, it's Shrike and his SoCkSoCkPeDo answering the same person to make it appear as if they're two different people.

      3. Sevo   3 years ago

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

      I just love how everything is now boiled down to dastardly misinformation and election denying while rightesoulsy lecturing others about their election denying.

  5. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

    I guess it's too much to hope the 2022 election will surpass the 2020 election as "literally the most secure in our nation's history."

    Watch it take more than a week before we know who controls the Senate. 😛

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Why did you feel the need to add the word, "literally", to the CISA quote?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Why did you feel the need to respond and be an asshole, Shrike?

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Silly wabbit.

      2. damikesc   3 years ago

        Just odd how often elections have "questions" --- EXCEPT one. That one has none.

    2. perlmonger   3 years ago

      I'm sure that 2022 will also be the most secure election in history... if the Democrats win.

  6. Utkonos   3 years ago

    The Old Gray Lady ain’t what she used to be, ain’t what she used to be, ain’t what she used to be…..Frankly, she’s become a bit of a nag!

    1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      All the news that's fit (snip, snip, snip) to print.

    2. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      She was a marxist whore then and she's a marxist whore now, the rest is window dressing.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        Now she's just an old marxist whore.

        Downright prolapsed, at this point.

    3. JohnZ   3 years ago

      aka Government Gazette. The lot of them are stenographers for the government no matter what.

    4. markm23   3 years ago

      Was she ever what some people think "she used to be"? She certainly hasn't been a bastion of truth or journalistic integrity since publishing Walter Duranty's Pulitzer-winning Stalinist propaganda in 1931, but I don't know about before then...

  7. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

    I still really believe that if Hillary had won, it would have been a win for Satan. It has nothing to do with that goofy ad though.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Indeed. Only a truly holy man would “grab ’em by the pussy”.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Like your beloved pastor, Warnock, Shrike?

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

          I don't use socks, you moron.

          I won't dilute the Buttplug brand.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago (edited)

            Right. SoCkSoCkPeDo is your cock sock there, Mr. Fapper.

        2. JohnZ   3 years ago

          Warnock is a slum lord who runs some of the worst apartment buildings ever:https://ussanews.com/2022/11/05/brutal-murders-rotting-corpses-broken-elevators-inside-raphael-warnocks-secret-low-income-apartment-building-vol-2/

      2. Sevo   3 years ago

        Oh, goody! A brand new TDS-addled pile of shit!
        Fuck off and die, asshole.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Same TDS-addled pile of shit with a new name, better known as Shrike.

  8. Michael Ejercito   3 years ago

    In what eay are Russian bots more able to manioulate American voters than the Daily Mail?

  9. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago (edited)

    .

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Can't say anything unless Buttplug is pulling your strings there, marionette?

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Odds he fucked up and posted the same thing below fearing he outed his sock?

        1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

          That's exactly what happened.

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            Your amazingly thorough "evidence-gathering" technique is absolutely foolproof. What could possibly go wrong?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              Dude, it's so fucking obvious with the way you defended Buttplug in another article regarding the evidence of his ban for posting child porn. A blind man could've seen it. A deaf woman would've heard it. Only a stupid idiot like yourself tries to hide it.

              1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                There's just no fooling the august residents of Reason Ridge!

                It's not like there could ever be more than one person in the world who enjoys mocking shrieking witch-swimmers...

  10. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    depicted the presidential election as an arm-wrestling match between Satan and the Son of God. "If I win Clinton wins!" Satan said in the headline. "Not if I can help it!" Jesus replied.

    Fundie-Nuts actually believe this.

    The target for the Russians are these type of idiots.

    1. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago (edited)

      Oh, yeah, because absent the Russian memes, conservative Christians were totally going to line up in support of the party that is running on CRT, Drag Queen Story Hour, and adolescent sex changes.

      You kind of made the case for why the "interference" canard is laughable.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        CRT, Drag Queen Story Hour, and adolescent sex changes.

        This silly shit wasn't on the ballot in 2016.

        And it's not about mass delusion. It's about shaving off enough votes to throw PA, Wi, and MI to Team Red.

        Face it, Team Red is now anti-NATO. And they even recruited Tulsi Gabbard into the cult.

        1. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

          Face it, Team Red is now anti-NATO. And they even recruited Tulsi Gabbard into the cult.

          Well, Team Blue has lined up with the neocons in an all-war-all-the-time death cult. Congratulations, you've become the ideological heir to Dick Cheney.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago (edited)

            No, I prefer Obama’s famous Don’t Do Stupid Shit foreign policy.

            No ground wars, no nation-building like the Bushpigs loved.

            Support NATO? Yes. Lob a Tomahawk into Libya instead of a GOP style Iraq makeover? Yes.

            1. Sevo   3 years ago

              turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
              Fuck off and die, asshole.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              You mean Obama's policy that led to things like Benghazi? You mean like all the drone strikes that were done that did little other than piss people off? Of the last four Presidents (Biden included), only one did not get us into yet another foreign conflict. Yes, that would be your OrangeManBad. Drives you nuts, doesn't it, Shrike?

              1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                Not attacking Russia apparently does count as "foreign conflict", but assassinating Soleimani with a drone strike doesn't count.

                Speaking of drone strikes, there were a total of 1,878 drone strikes during Obama's eight years in office, a number Trump had exceeded (2,243) by March 2019. But Trump's drone strikes were all "beautiful"...

        2. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

          NATO is an organization founded to oppose the soviets, who have been gone for 30 years.

          1. Ecoli   3 years ago

            Shhh. Nobody has noticed that the Soviets folded their tents in response to Ronnie Reagan's Star Wars efforts.

            We need NATO now more than ever. We are about to conduct "the most important election in our life time." If the Republicans win "this will be the last election America ever has".

          2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            Yes, I wonder why most of Russia's neighbors are now so eager to join this pointless organization?

            What could it possibly be...

            1. damikesc   3 years ago

              Perhaps if NATO members did not sign multi billion dollar deals WITH Russia while underfunding their military for decades....it'd be less of an issue.

        3. Sevo   3 years ago (edited)

          turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

      Barack Obama, the guy you spent 8 years gushing over like a starstruck teenager, went to a church that explicitly mixed religion and politics. "Black Liberation Theology" I believe it was called.

      And unlike most people who inherit their religion (if any) from their parents, Obama made a conscious decision to embrace BLT as an adult.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Barack Obama, the guy you spent 8 years gushing over like a starstruck teenager, went to a church that explicitly mixed religion and politics. “Black Liberation Theology” I believe it was called.

        To be fair, he attended the United Church of Christ, which tends to focus a lot more on left-wing worldly matters than obedience to God or any real biblical focus.

        My in-laws belong to that church (wife's grampy was a Congregationalist pastor), and it's spiritually dead. It only got by as long as it has on nationwide 70% church attendance rates, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of these woke congregations go under in the next 20 years as church attendance declines.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Yes, but look how quickly Obama ditched that church and disowned its pastor.

        "Common people consider religion true, wise men consider it false, and politicians consider religion useful".

        Seneca the Elder.

        You're the old OBL?

        Nicely done, I must say.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          She did you better than you do you, Shrike. Barry only ditched the church and disowned the pastor when it was politically expedient for him. For the record, Oprah went there as well.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

            That is what I just said, you dumbass.

            “Common people consider religion true, wise men consider it false, and politicians consider religion useful”.

            Was about Obama mostly - but all politicians as well.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              No, that's not what you said, twit. You only mentioned how quickly he ditched the church and pastor, as if he did it for a good reason.

              1. Sevo   3 years ago

                If turd posted it, it's a lie. It's what turd does.

              2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

                Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2 55 mins ago
                Yes, but look how quickly Obama ditched that church and disowned its pastor.

                “Common people consider religion true, wise men consider it false, and politicians consider religion useful”.

                Gawd, you're an idiot. My quote is just two posts above yours.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                  You never said why, Shrike. Learn to read a post first.

                2. Sevo   3 years ago

                  turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
                  Fuck off and die, asshole.

        2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

          Yeah. Retired the character in today's Reason Roundup because no matter what happens tomorrow Biden will still be President. Didn't see the point of doing the same shtick for another 2 years.

          Besides, you #DefendBidenAtAllCosts enough for the entire comment section. 😉

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

            Well, it was a good run.

            You were much more effective than the QAnon/Pedo liars.

            Satire should begin with a kernel of truth.

            1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

              That’s rich coming from the guy who posts links to child porn.

            2. Sevo   3 years ago

              turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
              Make your family proud: Fuck off and die.

              1. AbEeyore   3 years ago

                Ah, that's what I come here for. The impeccably reasoned arguments and razor sharp rhetoric.

                I can't for the life of me imagine why more people don't take Libertarians like you more seriously.

                1. Sevo   3 years ago

                  You might read comments to those other than obvious TDS-addled lying shits.
                  But then I come here for comments from the sanctimonious.

            3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              And since you defend Biden at all costs, there's your kernel of truth.

              #ShrikeWishesHeWasOnIslandEpstein

              1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

                It' under new management.

                https://www.flickr.com/photos/66890686@N02/51124366228/in/dateposted-public/

                And Buttplug still couldn't afford the entry fee.

          2. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

            I just want to say, Sandra...you did a magnificent job as OBL. Seriously, you did. I laughed so many times at some of your satiric posts, I literally cried and my sides hurt.

            Thanks for the great satire and parody. I will miss it a lot.

          3. Ecoli   3 years ago

            Sandra, I will miss the OBL character. I enjoyed your schtick immensely. I hope you will still entertain as the Sandra character.

  11. Brian   3 years ago

    Russian Facebook memes: the only politically correct excuse for questioning election outcomes.

  12. Roberta   3 years ago

    If it's disinformation, does that mean if Satan won, Trump would've won?

  13. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    So we have Democrats on cable TV claiming that Republicans are going to imprison and kill your kids while the current president and two former presidents are screaming that voting for Republicans is literally the end of democracy but some guy on Gab is a threat to civilization. Huh.

  14. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    Hmmmm......

    Bush stole 2000, under Clinton
    Obama fairly elected under Bush
    Trump stole 2016 under Obama
    Biden fairly elected under Trump
    2022 will be stolen under Biden

    Clearly, if we want clean elections we need to elect Republicans.

    1. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

      I eagerly await the two upcoming backflips:

      Doubting elections is insurrection to the election was stolen.

      Biden is healthy to the Dems are so honest in admitting he isn't healthy to kick him to the curb.

      1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

        https://imgur.com/a/TB8TTMi

    2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

      This is what amuses me the most about the RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION narrative. It makes Obama look like the biggest dipshit on the planet, letting Putin pull off the crime of the millennium a mere 4 years after downplaying the Russian threat with his "1980s called" line.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Sandra?

        Okay, you have created a new character.

        Everyone knows there are no female libertarians.

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled shit-pile, a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          A female libertarian is a more likely occurrence than a hicklib who isn't a pedophile.

    3. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      Republicans cause financial crashes, banking panics, Great Depressions and seriatim recessions.

  15. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

    Honestly, absent seeing the posts, I really can't say how much were disinformation or not. What is quoted that's supposed to be super-damning doesn't sound all that much different from what I hear on random blog posts around the internet. But, even those posts sometimes make good and useful points. Is a foreigner getting stuff wrong while talking about U.S. politics the standard we're going to start using? If so, I think the folks over at the Grauniad might have a bit of cause for concern.

  16. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    U.S. Voters Are 'Vulnerable' to 'Foreign Manipulation,' No Matter How Inept, The New York Times Warns

    Something something Walter Duranty.

  17. mpercy   3 years ago

    Apparently, the US electorate is just plain stupid. It's not just foreign manipulation...

    ----------

    A psychologist is accusing Google of manipulating American citizens to influence the outcome of the November midterm elections.

    Robert Epstein and his research team from the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology have been monitoring online political content being sent to voters in swing states. As part of the research, the team is looking into search engine results on Google and Bing, messages displayed on Google’s homepage, tweets sent by Twitter, email suppression on Gmail, auto-play videos suggested on Google-owned YouTube, and so on.

    The study found over 1.9 million “ephemeral experiences” that Google and other firms were using to “shift opinions and voting preferences,” Epstein wrote in a Nov. 6 article for the Daily Caller. “Ephemeral experiences” are short-lived content that immediately disappears without leaving a trace after user consumption.

    The team expects such “ephemeral experiences” to number over 2.5 million by Election Day. Epstein has identified roughly a dozen new forms of online manipulation using ephemeral experiences which are almost exclusively controlled by Google and a few other tech firms.

    The impact created by the experiences is “stunning,” Epstein says.

    Search engine results that favor one political candidate were found to influence undecided voters so much that up to 80 percent of such people in some demographic groups shifted their voting preferences after only a single search.

    “Carefully crafted search suggestions that flash at you while you are typing a search term can turn a 50/50 split among undecided voters into a 90/10 split with no one knowing they have been manipulated,” Epstein writes.

    “A single question-and-answer interaction on a digital personal assistant can shift the voting preferences of undecided voters by more than 40 percent.”

    Ahead of the 2022 election, “a high level of liberal bias” is being seen in Google search results in swing states like Arizona, Florida, and Wisconsin, Epstein wrote. Search results from Bing did not indicate such bias.

    In multiple swing states, liberal news sources make up 92 percent of auto-play videos being sent to YouTube users, which can potentially shift “hundreds of thousands of votes” on Election Day, he warned.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      He's back! Here's an article about one he prepared earlier:

      https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/robert-epstein-google-bias-conservative-bogus-trump.html

  18. TJJ2000   3 years ago

    Once again....

    Democrats election fraud...
    But, But, But; those 'icky' people are advertising for the wrong party!

    Talk about silly conspiracy theories. It's baffling such idiocy even gets attention against executive voting manipulation, wildly inconsistent vote tallies between mail/in-person, flat-out vote deletion on live TV, proven IP hacking, after-hours UN-monitored counting, anonymous voting cards, etc, etc, etc....

    But hey; lets have a huge media discussion on how information, advertising and campaigns is 'Election Fraud' and call all the above 'Right-Wing Conspiracy theories'.. The left is so out-to-lunch on their indoctrinated-propaganda its practically laughable.

  19. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

    American's are pretty dumb. About half of America believe these lies:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dear-liberals-how-many-these-msm-hoaxes-did-you-fall

    And I know Sullum believes some of them too.

    1. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

      This kind of gets to my point, a lot of these notions gained some pretty wide currency across the major media. If we're now going to say "disinformation" is election interference that we should punish and subject to censorship, can a President DeSantis or a President Vance shut them down, as well?

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      And that's a relatively short list, narrowed and strictly limited to 'true narratives now known to be false within the Trump era' (as opposed to say, subjective or conjectural arguments, or nuanced/unclear facts presented as clear and known factual truths):
      - "Mostly peaceful"
      - "1 in 4 women"
      - "No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges."
      - The Duke LaCrosse team raped someone.
      - Jackie Coakley was raped.
      - Emma Sulkowicz was raped.
      - Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
      - Seth Rich was the victim of a robbery.
      - Right wing terrorists plotted to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.
      - Kyle Rittenhouse shot 3 black peaceful protestors.
      - Emmett Till grabbed Carolyn Bryant around the waist and uttered obscenities to her.
      - Clarence Thomas sexually harassed Anita Hill.
      - The US government has never knowingly given diseases to civilians in peace time.
      ...
      ...
      ...

  20. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    Someone needs to explain to me how targeted political discussion coming from Russia is distinct from free speech.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Would it matter?

      1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        I'm willing to entertain principled arguments if they can show me the way it's anti-liberty. Perhaps there's something to be said about how it's government sponsored propaganda, so not truly free speech. Or maybe you could give me a sense that there's no individual behind it so they're not really entering the marketplace of ideas. Or maybe it has to do with the false representation-the people furthering the argument don't care about the things they claim.

        I need someone to try and sell it to me to see if I can get behind their reasoning. I can't really buy any argument why Russia shouldn't be allowed to openly advocate and share ideas about candidates in the US, but someone needs to show me where the balance of liberty is.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Well, first we have to accept that it is happening (which many of us apparently have difficulty accepting). But this admission by a key Putin ally ought to speed up the learning process:

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/07/putin-ally-yevgeny-prigozhin-admits-interfering-in-us-elections

          1. damikesc   3 years ago

            Just really weird that they only interfere when Republicans win. Just exceedingly odd, especially since Trump went against their wishes and wants his entire term.

            1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

              1. Assumes facts not in evidence.
              2. Not odd at all. I'm sure Putin doesn't "like" Trump (the fawning is clearly not reciprocal), but Trump is more likely to be isolationist/anti-NATO than many others--and that means more leeway for Putin to do whatever he wants.

  21. mpercy   3 years ago

    According to Stacey Abrams, black men are too gullible to be trusted with their own votes: "Unfortunately, this year, black men have been a very targeted population for misinformation. Not misinformation about what they want but about why they want what they deserve."

    Jaime Dominguez, political science professor at Northwestern University, says social media entities should take responsibility for moderating disinformation on their platforms.

    “As we’ve known there’s been very little or very lax oversight over those platforms. And so Latinos become very susceptible in that way,” Dominguez said. “When they receive wrong information, then in many ways that can lead them to disengage from policy and politics … so the way I see it, it’s kind of a form of voter suppression.”

    Brookings went so far as to say that "Latinos are more likely to receive, consume, and share 'fake news' and misinformation online compared to the general population."

    Townhall.com: "The stories scapegoating minorities for being allegedly more likely to fall for mis/disinformation are thinly-veiled discrimination, but they're necessary for Democrats to have something to blame their losses among such voting blocs."

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      "False consciousness". The eternal whinge of the thwarted leftist.

    2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      Does he mean fake news like Latinx?

  22. Dillinger   3 years ago

    I didn't see any Russians on my ballot so I went home.

  23. MWAocdoc   3 years ago (edited)

    Okay, if I wanted to read lame, alarmist articles in the New York Times I would … you know … READ the New York Times. There is no need for Reason to spread snowflake propaganda by printing extensive quotations from such opinions. A paraphrase of the ancient dictum would be sufficient: “With attempts to influence the American election with disinformation from the New York Times, who needs Russian trolls?”

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      I know it looks like Reason editors like Sullum are lazy. Read the NYT and WAPO, crank out a couple hundred words and call it a day. But in his defense, ENB doesn't get past her Twitter feed unless there's a link there.

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        You get what you pay for, eh?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          And it looks like Shrike is getting his sock money's worth out of you.

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            Behold! The common clay of the new West...

  24. Jose 3   3 years ago

    Read: "If you don't vote the way we say you should vote, you were obviously manipulated by the Russians."

    Where of where has the honest, unbiased media gone?

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      You also ain't black.

    2. Super Scary   3 years ago (edited)

      “If you don’t vote the way we say you should vote, you were obviously manipulated by the Russians.”
      If you don’t vote the way we say you should vote, you were misinformed.
      If you don’t vote the way we say you should vote, you voted against your interests.
      If you don’t vote the way we say you should vote, you’re racist.
      If you don’t vote the way we say you should vote, you’re a threat to democracy.

      It’s always a problem with others, not with them. If you don’t agree with them, something is wrong with you.

  25. Marshal   3 years ago

    Sullum reaches the key point when noting the Times admits these memes are too stupid to influence anyone although they pretend there’s an exception for those on the right. But this is an admission the people who can be influenced are already anti-left anyway. The influence these have on the actual election is feeding the left’s media hysteria and undermining our democracy. The left has been undermining our faith in elections for something leftists decades although they now pretend this is the worst thing anyone coils do.

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      The idea that Clinton's billion dollar campaign was utterly derailed by some silly memes and a few hundred thousand dollars worth of event organizing and such says more about Hillary's incompetence and unlikability as a candidate than anything else.

      1. Marshal   3 years ago

        Another good point. Their process is to grasp at any explanation which fits the narrative even though five seconds of serious thought reveals it as ridiculous. It reminds me of the “crossing state lines” during the Rittenhouse persecution. They’ve heard it in cop shows so it sounds scary. But they never take the next step to validate whether it is really a problem because they don’t care.

  26. rloquitur   3 years ago

    This subject is ridiculous to talk about. First of all, foreigners are always going to try to influence US elections, and there's not much that can be done because the remedies are worse than the disease.

    We have nothing to fear from Russian troll-farms.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago (edited)

      Of course, it would be different if the Russians and the Chinese were the main sources of the risible propaganda flooding the Alt-Right’s information silos, but the vast majority of it is undoubtedly home-grown.

      Which is so much better!

      1. Marshal   3 years ago

        You might be the only person who thinks The New York Times is Alt-right.

        1. perlmonger   3 years ago

          "When you're so far left..."

    2. damikesc   3 years ago

      You know what would easily be manipulated by foreign actors?

      Mail in voting. Add in having others being allowed to take your ballot for you to turn in and, well, that seems awfully easy to manipulate to me.

  27. Rossami   3 years ago

    Missing from this entire discussion so far is that we have pundits ranting about how evil this is and ignoring the fact that the US attempts to interfere with other government's elections all the time. And we mostly consider it good.

    Get over yourselves. Yes, the Russians (and the Chinese, and the Europeans and everyone else) is trying to influence our elections. No, there is no evidence that they are having any detectable influence.

    1. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

      I don't think it's even possible to meaningfully define "election interference" by Facebook posts. When you clear away all the BS, all that's happened here is a Russian commented on American politics. Okay. And? People from all over the world comment on American politics all the time. Are all of them guilty of election interference? How about Americans who comment on other countries' politics?

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        One obvious distinction is whether that "Russian commenting on American politics" falsely claims to be a "traditional American mom". But I guess if you're so comfortable being lied to, what difference does it really make?

        1. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

          Really? That’s the hill you want to die on? We believe in free speech, but falsely claiming to be a traditional American mom is just beyond the pale and a threat to motherhood, apple pie, the flag and all that is good and holy? An argument either holds water or it doesn’t. And a person can claim to be a three-headed Venusian bug-man for all I care. It’s not like I’m so retarded that I’m going to say, “Oh, well if a traditional American mom thinks that, she must be right….”

          1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

            And I remember that Hamilton, Jay, and Madison published The Federalist Papers under the name Publius, because they thought the argument was more significant than the arguer. So if Russia is creating arguments under false pretenses, it's still up to the argument to hold water.

            If there's a hoax story, like claiming that Kamala Harris sacrifices babies on an altar in furtherance of her dark religion, just uncover the hoax and spread the truth, don't suppress the hoax.

            1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

              "Publius" was obviously a pseudonym, not someone else's name or a fake name intended to deceive people into thinking the author was someone else.

              But, I agree with you that such hoaxes should not be suppressed (especially by Big Brother). They should, however, be exposed.

        2. damikesc   3 years ago

          How about "life-long Republicans" who decide to support Democrats almost exclusively?

    2. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      That is true. I debated a commie surrenderist on subject of disarmament and surrender. The guy could recite a really long list of all the places The Kleptocracy had invaded at gunpoint that made my carping about soviet socialist expansion seem like small potatoes by comparison.

  28. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    Yes, voters are potentially prone to being influenced by any source of information one may not like. Such is the inevitable consequence of respecting freedom of thought. Not respecting the people's ability to think for themselves is worse. I realize that is a difficult concept for the staff of the New York Times.

  29. Clayton Cramer   3 years ago

    "U.S. Voters Are 'Vulnerable' to 'Domestic Manipulation,' No Matter How Inept, The New York Times Warns" FIFY.

  30. tankfixer   3 years ago

    Isn't this the same NYT that back in the 1930's ran columns on how glorious the Soviet Union was while millions were starving in Ukraine ?

    Or more recently breathlessly reported every tidbit about a totally manufactured dossier ?

    Asking for a friend...

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Why yes, yes, it is indeed the same paper, the New Duranty Times.

  31. Wizenedone   3 years ago

    Bloomberg says( https://news.yahoo.com/spending-us-midterm-elections-exceed-174458015.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall ) that 16.7 billion dollars are being spent on the midterms. Any Russian and Chinese spending just dilutes into this ocean of money. In a "what about-ism" turn, the good old USA has screwed with foreign elections too numerous to count.

  32. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    So Biden sends the head of the CIA to Brazil prior to their election and warns that the right guy will be elected and anybody that is an "election denier" better be dealt with harshly. Youtube bans anyone questioning the results. Millions take to the streets in protest. That foreign election interference bypassed the disinformation phase altogether and straight to election fortification.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/exclusive-cia-chief-told-bolsonaro-government-not-mess-with-brazil-election-2022-05-05/

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Now, I want to see Glen Greenwald's take on this.

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        It was this (your link, and Greenwald's response, were from May 2022):

        "Given the CIA's traditional role in Brazil (overthrowing its democratically elected center-left government in 1964, then training and supporting the brutal 21-year-old military dictatorship that followed), this new CIA directive is producing interesting responses in Brazil..."

        He doesn't seem quite as distraught about it as the US Alt-Right.

  33. boroka   3 years ago

    Russia in various of its incarnations, always inteferred in the domestic affairs of other nations near and far. This seldom succeeded until one of the Russias (the Red, "progressive" one) gained committed fans abroad. So from 1922 to 1991 all Russian activities were denied or justified in Western media as "promoting world peace."

    Now that Russia is no longer Red, it is being, vainly, promoted as the world's Sheitan. But enough of us find far more serious threats elsewhere.

    Just live with that.

    1. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      The commies were losing vote share on a log decay curve from 30 to 12% IN 16 YEARS. So KGB chief gets self installed as dictator-for-life just like socialist buddy Hitler did by 1934. Pravda described Soviet puppet regimes as "socialist" and as "mixed economies." Difference from absolute totalitarian communism is matter of how much cut was added to mixture, of degree rather than kind. (https://tinyurl.com/5n8yesmp)

  34. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    Youtube Announces to Actively Censor and Remove Any Dissenting Content About the Election Result Including Voter Fraud Claims in Brazil
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/youtube-announces-actively-censor-remove-dissenting-content-election-result-including-voter-fraud-claims-brazil/

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Your article was written a week ago.

      Update: In the end, Bolsonaro didn't "fight back" at all, as Jim Hoft had predicted.

      1. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

        Bolsonaro's Bizarro televangelists posed for boo-hoo-hoo videos as entertaining as any of the Hillary or Trump sore-loser crybabies. The big difference is that now women are likely to gain individual rights in reproductive matters, plus fewer people maybe will be shot by prohibitionist thugs and looters.

  35. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    Tucker Carlson Calls Out CIA and YouTube For Interfering in Brazil’s Election [VIDEO]
    https://100percentfedup.com/tucker-carlson-calls-out-cia-and-youtube-for-interfering-in-brazils-election-video/
    “Biden’s CIA director personally pressured Jair Bolsanaro’s office… to accept the results of the election long before the election took place,” Carlson reported.
    Carlson argued that, in a democracy, there is no obligation to “accept the results of an unfair election.”
    “No one in Brazil is allowed to complain about it because big tech companies, which have been effectively arms of the Biden administration for two years, are censoring anyone who questions the election,” Carlson said. “This is massive suppression.”

    1. Bill-NM   3 years ago

      "because big tech companies, which have been effectively arms of the Biden administration for two years, are censoring anyone who questions the election".

      "Questioning" is a GOOD thing. NO ONE would argue that point.

      So...you mean because the big tech companies (who, in America, can run their business as they damn well please) don't want to help enemies of our country to spread LIES?

      Free speech is one thing, but undermining our Democracy based on PROVEN LIES, is quite another. There are limits to free speech. You can't yell FIRE in a crowded theater, nor can you incite people to violence, etc etc.

      1. Apollonius   3 years ago

        Question is typically BANNED by you "Progressives." Only the Official Truth is permitted in any forum which you control.

        And anybody who thinks that we have a "democracy" is too ignorant to be listened to. I refuse to grant you the moral authority to run over my rights simply because I am outnumbered.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          That is what "democracy" means, generally speaking.

        2. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

          In ancient Greece, mob deport YOU!

  36. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    Democrats must pay for backing corruption in Brazil
    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/11/05/democrats-must-pay-for-backing-corruption-in-brazil-1304995/

  37. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

    Here’s my contribution to “election interference:”

    FUCK JOE BIDEN

    1. Bill-NM   3 years ago

      Why?

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

        FUCK JOE BIDEN!

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Hey, if it's consensual...

    2. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      One begins to see how constant catcalls from latent homosexual YAF boyz can get weak-minded fools to visualize even a doddering Dem geezer as a sex symbol. When Clinton-Gore were running against Holy War Bush, one of the posters NARAL girls bought showed the two sidelighted in B&W--not sagging with wrinkles and demanding girls be bullied and enslaved.

  38. crtum   3 years ago

    NYT works the “Russian“ thing pretty hard. Always the with the Russians. Is this a sexual thing for them?!
    An easier explanation for you see on line is people don’t like your policies.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Id imagine if you found the ideal porn for a NYT writer, it would be a ripped Putin raping a black woman calling her the N word. It would be all of their favorite fetishes in one

  39. Bill-NM   3 years ago

    To say that Russian interference doesn't make a difference is to say that not a single advertising dollar ever spent in the history of ADVERTISING has ever swayed someone to choose one thing over another. And that's REDICULOUS.

    Yes, people can be influenced, and quite EASILY by people who understand the human mind. And they can be so effective that those people don't even know they've been influenced. It's simply in our DNA - we are swayed by things both conscious and subconscious. That's a FACT.

    1. The Margrave of Azilia   3 years ago

      Yes, yes, you're right...it's all clear to me now...I will forward this message of yours to 100 people and influence them...

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

      Hey, here's my influence, Dem-bot:

      FUCK JOE BIDEN!

    3. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      It sure looks like a fact to me. The Solomon Asch experiment showed 3 out or 4 Americans lie for no better reason than to go with a crowd comparing the lengths of lines, no intimidation, no wheedling. But Angela McArdle just now broadcast that the LP wants no part of a proxy war between NATO and Russia. Look for KGB bots urging voters to support the America-First LP. "In Soviet Union, foreign devils brainwash YOU!"

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  41. Apollonius   3 years ago

    If you want to see an inept foreign attempt to influence the election, you need only look at the New York Times.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Is the NYT foreign? Or do you mean Jewish (which is the same thing as foreign, obviously)?

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

        Why is it that George Soros, a foreign billionaire who spends hundreds of millions on US elections [and most definitely affects the outcomes, specifically 75 district attorneys], never gets called out for "foreign influence?"

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          You do realize that George Soros is a US citizen, right?

  42. Otis R. Needleman   3 years ago

    NYT...talking shit yet again...

  43. tkamenick   3 years ago

    You gotta wonder... how many opinion pieces about foreign politics do journalists put out? How much of that could qualify as "interference" by American in foreign elections?

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      You still haven't spotted the difference between expressing an opinion and falsely expressing someone else's opinion.

  44. MatthewSlyfield   3 years ago

    The New York Times is vulnerable to hoaxes no matter how inept.

  45. JohnZ   3 years ago

    Illiterate scribblers who claim to be journalists and reporters have nearly destroyed the integrity and trust the people have in the MSM/legacy media.
    Instead what we have are hack writers who couldn't create decent ad copy for some local rag. A good example of this is Taylor Lorenze (WaPo)who ranks among the worst of the lot but the N.Y.Times are desperately attempting to not only catch up but surpass the WaPo in terms of gaslighting. The press has dropped all pretenses of objectivity and honesty.
    There is nothing left but cynicism and fraud.

  46. adhokrudnum   3 years ago

    The only people who are "vulnerable" to manipulation are people who are too stupid to "trust but verify". If you can't be bothered to perform your due diligence than maybe you should not vote at all since you will not be able to form an intelligent opinion.

    "Many people must be ruled to thrive. In their selfishness and greed they see free people as their oppressors. They wish to have a leader who will cut the taller plants so the sun will reach them. They think no plant should be allowed to grow taller then the shortest, and in that way give light to all. They would rather be provided a guiding light, regardless of the fuel than light a candle themselves. Once that guiding light is lit they find that they are wearing chains and then it is too late."

    - Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander -

  47. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

    The Jesus in the picture is wrong. The 1913 Painting titled "Mother Mary With The Holy Child Jesus Christ" shows a ginger Mother Mary holding a pink, orange-haired Baby Jesus; the painting is by Adolf Hitler. If the russkies sent THAT out to televangelist maillists in 2016, that would explain why even bookies were surprised that the Orange Fuhrer made it past the electoral college yokels. PT Barnum warned that nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people back when the first Republican was elected.

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  49. NoVaNick   3 years ago

    The incumbent in my district has a choke hold on it, no matter how much Russian meddling might be going on. In fact, his GOP challenger grew up in Ukraine but does NOT support additional US military aid, so methinks she is probably part of the Russian propaganda machine. I voted for the third party candidate because I know it won’t be close and I am sick and tired of both parties. If enough people vote third party, even if they don’t agree with the candidates on everything, maybe it will have an impact

  50. Liberty Lover   3 years ago (edited)

    If you are ‘Vulnerable’ to ‘Foreign Manipulation, you are a low information voter that probably shouldn’t vote anyway, And remember Russia said they are not for or against any candidate, they are just trying to cause hate and division in the United States.
    Maybe they haven't heard, we have plenty of that already!

  51. Political Survival Fanatic   3 years ago

    All the talk of a Russian conspiracy is projection.

  52. Liberty Lover   3 years ago

    "Low Information" U.S. Voters Are 'Vulnerable' to 'Foreign Manipulation,'
    The average US voter is to ignorant to vote. They either vote on name recognition or red and blue tribalism. Of course the politicians don't help they will talk about anything but their policy. The politicians throw mud, obfuscate and lie rather than talk about their agenda, and especially their hidden agendas. I don't care that you don't like your opponent, I already understand that is why you are in different parties.

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