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Election 2022

Nearly Half of Voters Prefer Pro-Choice Candidates; 18 Percent Don't Care

Plus: Brazil's Bolsonaro loses, fact-checking Biden on the Inflation Reduction Act, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 10.31.2022 9:30 AM

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U.S. abortion numbers are dropping, and so is support for abortion bans. Meanwhile, many voters say that a candidate's position on abortion is important to them, with a lot more inclined to vote for pro-choice candidates than pro-life politicians. Three new datasets illustrate what's going on, and hint further at how abortion could influence the upcoming election.

Support for pro-choice candidates outpaces pro-life candidate support. In a new ABC-Ipsos poll, nearly half of registered voters—48 percent—say they prefer candidates who will keep abortion legal, while just 33 percent say they prefer candidates who favor strict restrictions on abortion. Eighteen percent said abortion has no bearing on who they will vote for.

The poll was conducted October 28–29 with a nationally representative sample of 729 adults, 621 of which are registered voters. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.9 percentage points for the whole group and plus or minus 4.2 percentage points for the registered voters' sample.

Overall, 61 percent of folks surveyed say abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

Thirty percent said it should be illegal in most cases, and 7 percent said it should be banned entirely.

Abortion was the third most important issue (16 percent) for voters in the poll, following the economy (28 percent) and inflation (22 percent). "For Democratic registered voters, abortion is the single most important issue (29%), essentially tied with the number who say inflation or the economy (28% together; 15% say inflation, 13% say the economy)," reports Ipsos.

Support for total abortion bans down among Republicans. The latest data from the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) show that support for total bans on abortion was down 5 percent in September 2022 compared to September 2020. The percentage of poll respondents favoring bans on abortion in all circumstances decreased from 13 percent in 2020 to 8 percent this year. That drop was steepest among Republicans:

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Overall abortion numbers down; virtual clinic abortions up. The number of legal abortions performed in America dropped significantly after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, according to data from the Society of Family Planning.

The group compared data on abortions from April and August 2022, finding a decrease of about 6 percent, from 85,020 abortions to 79,620.

"Notably, abortions provided by virtual-only clinics increased from 2,830 in April 2022 (3% of total abortions), before the decision, to 3,780 in August 2022 (4.7% of all abortions)," the Society of Family Planning points out. "This change represents an increase of 33% in the number of abortions provided from virtual-only services."


FREE MINDS

We can call it now. Lula has been elected, and Jair Bolsonaro is the first president in Brazilian history to lose a re-election campaign pic.twitter.com/eZtMcMexVt

— Vincent Bevins (@Vinncent) October 30, 2022

Brazil's right-wing president Jair Bolsonaro has lost to Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, the leftist former president of Brazil. One of the founders of the Workers' Party, Lula previously served as president from 2003 to 2010.

During Brazil's last presidential election, Lula was imprisoned on corruption charges—eventually annulled—for allegedly taking bribes. Glenn Greenwald has suggested that the charges were part of a scheme to target Bolsonaro enemies, while Daniel Raisbeck has argued that Lula's conviction was annulled on something of a technicality, hinging on jurisdiction, and that his links to the "institutionalized disbursement of graft are yet to be fully clarified."

Raisbeck adds: "The concern for Bolsonaro's more authoritarian instincts and his recent questioning of the country's electoral system is justified. Giving Da Silva and the Workers' Party a free pass for monumental levels of corruption, not so much."


FREE MARKETS

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QUICK HITS

• What we know about the man who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband in his home on Friday.

• A federal court has upheld St. Louis' cruel ban on sharing food with homeless people.

• This is a very good piece from Kat Rosenfield—a novelist, Reason contributor, and "lifelong liberal"—on why she keeps "getting mistaken for a conservative."

• Arizona's attorney general says the state won't start enforcing a near total ban on abortion until 2023 at the earliest, after an appeals court blocked enforcement of a state ban from 1864.

• A dangerous misunderstanding of liberalism.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    What we know about the man who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband in his home on Friday.

    That it was literally 1/6 times a thousand?

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      That when Paul brought the guy home to play with his tool, the guy got out the wrong one?

      1. Griffin3   3 years ago

        It's okay to say "hammer" in this context. We won't judge.

        1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

          The hammer is my penis. /Captain Hammer

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        2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

          Security footage released.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUivmIsqhAY&t=39s

        3. Dillinger   3 years ago

          mandatory Real Genius clip

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGczXkknl80

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        Heeeyyyyooooh

        Ed McMahon....innit?

        1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          Yes, combined with drunken, gruff guffawing: "HO-HO-HO-HO!"

          You young whippersnappers will get it yet.

          The real Zodiac would have nailed it without question.

    2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      You cheated, you clearly read the article.

    3. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      Yo, that whole thing is completely fucked up.

      Are you telling me the USSS does not watch/protect the premises of the Speaker of the House? Really? Third in line to be POTUS and the USSS has bupkis on surveillance and protection? Whoa.

      This assailant seems just batshit crazy.

      I want a full and complete recovery for Paul Pelosi. It is utter madness that people (even the carzies) feel emboldened to attack elected political leadership. Sorry, that is just FUBAR.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        It probably has nothing to do with Nancy Pelosi, see the gay liaison angle below, which is far more likely.

        1. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

          To be fair, if I was married to Nancy I'd probably go gay too.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Yes, prayers for Paul, so he can get back to insider trading and occasional drunken car wrecks.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Apparently, in that drunken car wreck, he was with another guy in the car. The attempt to cover it up may be due to this.

      3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

        Are you telling me the USSS does not watch/protect the premises of the Speaker of the House? Really? Third in line to be POTUS and the USSS has bupkis on surveillance and protection? Whoa.

        As Speaker, all the security for her residences is handled by the Capitol Police, who she also happens to oversee. That’s why there were police there so quickly. There were officers stationed on the perimeter.

        1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

          Ok, that is fine = Capitol Police. But shit, what a security breakdown somewhere. This is just crazy, ML. I don't care about party, this shit simply should not happen. I really have a hard time believing it, myself.

          And there definitely are huge missing pieces to this story.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            This is her San Francisco house, though, would there really be Capitol Police patrolling the site? I can buy the quick police response simply due to it being the Pelosis' house to begin with--it would certainly be well-known to the SFPD patrols, if nothing else--but if the Capitol Police were around as well, that's a horrible breach of security to allow some random crazy in his underwear wielding hammer to just walk up to their house, with enough time to come in and brain Paul before the cops got there.

            1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

              Yeah Red, there are SO many parts to this story that just don't add up. There has to be more here.

              1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                Here's how that goes:

                Participant A: What time can you come by? I am so fucking horny. I really need you to put your peanut butter in my chocolate

                Participant B: About 1am after I get off my shift at AstroGlide Church

                Participant A: Ok, my address is 123 FuckAmericanCitizens Dr

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                  I don't know if we really needed the blow-by-blow, as it were.

      4. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        "Carzies"? Are we back to blaming SUVs for crimes? I can't keep up! 😉

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          This is way too serious for car-icatures!!!

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            What's worse, "carzies" sounds like Lightning McQueen and Tow Mater have become followers of You Know Who Else.

      5. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        I thought it was the guy he t-boned when he was out DUI and blew through a stop sign.

        We need protection FROM Paul, not for him from us

    4. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      So does this mean that hammers are more dangerous than fire extinguishers?

      1. Ronbback   3 years ago

        we do need hammer control laws, hammer violence has gotten out of control. interesting enough if you have a hammer or a bat in your car they can be considered weapons and if concealed they are considered concealed weapons which is even a worse crime the problem is if you have either you keep it out of sight to begin with so people won't steal them. dammed if you do and damed if you don't

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Paul McCartney tried to warn us.

          1. jdgalt1   3 years ago

            Of what? That we need to learn to Live and Let Die?

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              About Helter Skelter coming down fast?

              1. Utkonos   3 years ago

                I’m no sure it’s that black and white. Although, granted, LePape is one deranged man, son.

                1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                  Ol' Paul, Rihanna, and Kanye--people who have never did without a day in their lives--sang that they were "Four, Five Seconds from Wilding.".

                  That's when I knew Paul hit bottom, Rihanna plateaued, and Kanye just ain't right.

                  Rihanna, Kanye West, and Paul McCartney--FourFiveSeconds
                  https://youtu.be/kt0g4dWxEBo

                  And how's Paul gonna go "Wilding"? Is he gonna scooterjack Biden's Hoveround? 🙂

        2. Longtobefree   3 years ago

          Pro tip: Also carry a glove and baseball so the bat is not so obviously a weapon.

          1. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

            What about a stick with a nail through it? Too obvious?

          2. Dillinger   3 years ago

            I always have my cleats in the car too.

        3. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Can’t we just work that into a piece of existing legislation? The hammer clause?

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            Equal Time For Ball-Peens!...And Balls and Peens! 🙂

      2. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        Only assault-style hammers. They are distinguishable by their rubber grips, making it easier to swing faster (iow, the rubber grip turns them into high-capacity hammers).

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          With the thing that goes up!

      3. Just thinkin aloud   3 years ago

        Only the uncircumcised hammers

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Cut it out.

    5. Minadin   3 years ago

      What we actually know about the guy:

      https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/pelosi-attack-suspect-was-a-psychotic

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        At this point, just being a SF resident should presume that they are psychotic until proven otherwise.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Considering the average price of a home there topped $1 million a couple years ago, the one thing you can assume about a homeowner in SF is that they have a good job.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            And? Doesn't make their city of residence any less of a behavioral sink. But at $1 million per, I guess it's nice that they live in one of the most well-dressed pigpens in the country.

            1. Nelson   3 years ago

              Psychotics tend to be really bad at holding a job. So your assumption is a bad one to make about SF residents. But well-employed? That's a good a assumption to make.

              San Francisco is an awesome city. Beautiful scenery, clean, lots of culture, a great chocolate company, a large share of a job sector with strong future relevance, and surprisingly friendly people.

              I'm not sure what you mean by "behavioral sink" but it doesn't sound like you have personal experience with people who live there or the city itself.

              You're probably getting your info from people who think that Chicago and Philadelphia are post-apocalyptic hellscapes of violence, like Mad Max with skyscrapers. You should stop doing that.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                "San Francisco is an awesome city. Beautiful scenery, clean..."

                The streetshitters and homeless encampments really underline your point.

                1. Nelson   3 years ago

                  You clearly haven't been there.

                  1. Ignore me!   3 years ago

                    You're delusional. SF is a sty.

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                i>I’m not sure what you mean by “behavioral sink” but it doesn’t sound like you have personal experience with people who live there or the city itself.

                Yeah, it's not like there's news reports or anything like that. Shit got so bad there, the fucking DA got recalled.

          2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Or a trust fund.

            1. Nelson   3 years ago

              True. But it's a major city, not West Texas. There aren't enough Donald Trump types to move the market. Born-on-third-base trust fund babies aren't common.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                It's full of them. I'm starting to think that you've never ever been there.

                1. Nelson   3 years ago

                  Given your comments about it, it's more obvious that you haven't been there.

                2. Ignore me!   3 years ago

                  A certain type of person needs to believe in the superiority of living in deep blue urban strongholds, especially places like SF and NYC whose reputations mainly rest on past glories that long ago faded, in spite of the invasive and incompetent governance, crime, random lunatics, stratospheric costs, unsanitary conditions, and general decay. I have two siblings who lived in SF for years, and they still have a religious need to sing the city's praises even after everything fucked up about it, including the filth, finally drove them away.

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        Thank you, Captain Obvious.

        What a shock to discover that the suspect is out his gourd. Who would have suspected as such?

    6. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

      I heard that in his confused state, Paul started calling, "Where's Nancy? Where's Nancy?". He also had some bread wrapper twist ties in a drawer in the kitchen. Bloody Jan 6 conspirator.

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        Where's Jackie? Is she here?

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Dunno, they seem to have buried that story.

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...Kat Rosenfield—a novelist, Reason contributor, and "lifelong liberal"—on why she keeps "getting mistaken for a conservative."

    Anything right of Che...

    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      My heart goes out to that poor woman. There clearly can be nothing worse than being mistaken for a conservative. She must be so traumatized.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Does she still wear masks so her neighbors don't think she is conservative?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          I've seen people like that still wearing them locally. It's worse in Chicago though.

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            They are particularly effective when driving a car alone.

          2. JesseAz   3 years ago

            A certain reason editor talks about doing it as well.

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        I even wear a mask in public, even though I know it’s pointless, just so nobody mistakes me for one.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          To get the tribal signaling correct, you need to wear a hand-made artisan fabric mask over a N95.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Ukraine flag.

            1. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

              ... with your pro-nouns on it.

        2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

          I wear mine when I go to the park for a walk by myself, just so any passing cyclists don't get the wrong idea.

        3. mad.casual   3 years ago (edited)

          I know it’s pointless

          Not at all pointless. 100.00% effective at preventing attacks from Freddy Krueger, Michael Meyers, Jason Vorhees, Pinhead, Pennywise, Leatherface, Chucky, zombies, purgers, etc., etc.

          50+ yrs. of drunk teens, naked teens, belligerent teens, angsty teens, punk kids, cops, neighbors, random black people, homeless people, security guards, all manner of 3rd shift employees, doctors, prison bus drivers, trick-or-treaters, hunters, mechanics, journalists, etc., etc., all getting killed… thousands of bodies… none of them wearing a KN-95 mask. Q.E.D.

          1. Truthteller1   3 years ago

            Move the reply button

    2. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      right and left are symptoms of one-dementional minds

  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Arizona's attorney general says the state won't start enforcing a near total ban on abortion until 2023 at the earliest...

    So get those abortions now, uterus-havers!

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      It is a law passed a century ago. The legiature is already working towards a repeal and replacement.

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        Repeal would be good. Replace, not so much.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Or move back to California, where abortions are legal and free (but nothing else is).

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        No abortions are free. They are actually surprisingly expensive.

        1. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

          Maybe the homeless could be trained to perform them. What else they got to do all day.

  4. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "Biden gets a fact-check from Twitter on his Inflation Reduction Act"

    OMG

    You're telling me when Democrats talk tough about "the rich" or "big corporations" ........ they're spewing nonsense to trick their most clueless supporters?!

    #OBLsFirstLaw
    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Yeah, those evil companies “made $40 billion”, but we are going to boost the IRS funding by $80 billion.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      Elon Musk's fascism is already on full display!

    3. Minadin   3 years ago

      Since the inflation is transitory and / or 'not happening' . . .

  5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A dangerous misunderstanding of liberalism.

    That it's not a unicorn?

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Probably that Liberalism is synonymous with leftism. Of course, that's due to the Dangerous Rhetoric of Far Right Misinformation Peddlers.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

        Danger Rhetoric of Totalitarian Right Uncool Misinformation Peddlers.

        FTFY, You'll never get a job in DC if you can't acronym.

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          Wait until your uncool niece calls you from the slammer

      2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago (edited)

        I don’t know if anyone on the left can even explain liberalism. When they talk about their politics and philosophy, it’s all progressivism and marxism. If they're not spewing those talking points, it's all about the evils of Republicans and conservatism without illuminating their own positions.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      Liberalism, like all words, mean whatever is necessary to further the progressive narrative at a given moment.

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    4. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      Reason couldn't find a Jewish Nazi, Dave's blind black Klansman act costs too much so we're stuck with girl-bullying "female" MAGA mystic by way of affirmative action here.

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

        Hank, you might wanna check with tony about Dave. He and Ye are no longer victims in good standing.

        Try to keep up, old man.

    5. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      Slade's article was a grievous misrepresentation of 'liberalism,' federal power, and why the dotard in the Oval Office had the 'correct answer.'

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A federal court has upheld St. Louis' cruel ban on sharing food with homeless people.

    They could always cut out the middle man and arrest the homeless themselves. That's 3 squares right there. Everyone's happy.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Or you could feed the hobos at home. But nobody wants to do that for some reason.

      1. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

        Hobos are like stray cats, if you feed them at home you'll just have more of them show up at your door and no one wants that.

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          So not EXACTLY like stray cats.......

      2. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

        Taking them home is not much of a problem. That is as long as they're not carrying a hammer.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

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        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Vous allez sucer la bite de la fille, ou vous etes transphobe.

    2. Krokko   3 years ago

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      I don’t speak French, but this seems a little off to me. Guess I gotta click the link to get to the bottom of it.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        What could go wrong?

      2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

        No worse then clicking a spb link

      3. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        It's a trap!

      4. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        You're gonna get bottomed by it pretty quick.

      5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        Sacré bleu.

    4. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      Je suis le Pan. Sacre Bleu! C'est un(e) possibilité! 🙂

  8. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Brazil's right-wing president Jair Bolsonaro has lost to Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva...

    Now that's how you swing a pendulum.

    1. Think It Through   3 years ago

      Yeah, and at least Reason can sometimes avoid repeating the typical US headline formulation of "Totally Average and Mainstream Guy Beats Far-Right Extremist." Actually seeing the word leftist in print is novel.

      "Brazil's right-wing president Jair Bolsonaro has lost to Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, the leftist former president of Brazil."

    2. jdgalt1   3 years ago

      Bolsonaro was probably cheated too.

      But a court convicted Lula of corruption the same day. I don't know if that's disqualifying, but it would be great news if it is!

    3. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      1. Brazilians are forced to vote at gunpoint 2. Libertarian party is absolutely verboten. Ergo, they alternate between girl-bullying prohibitionist nazis and laid-back welfare communists--like 96% of the USA.

  9. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "What we know about the man who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband in his home on Friday."

    We know he was every bit as committed to garden variety conservative politics as James Hodgkinson was to garden variety progressive politics.

    Also we know it is now forbidden to criticize Nancy Pelosi.

    #LibertariansForPelosi

    1. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      Are those mean Democrats kicking sand in its pooor widdle face AGAIN?!

  10. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    I like the theory that Paul Pelosi is the Ed Buck of Northern California.

    Old man lures druggie into house for “entertainment”, druggie accidentally invokes last brain cell and realizes he’s about to be OD’d and dumped in the Tenderloin, servants call the police and let them in, druggie then decides to take the pervy old man to hell with him.

    I mean, seriously. How else does a guy in his underwear break into one of the most heavily guarded houses in San Francisco. How is it the servants “didn’t notice” until the guy broke in and then called the police? And most of all, who among us keeps a hammer in their effing bedrooms, or even NEAR their bedrooms?

    1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago (edited)

      Pelosi's eyesight must be going. Depape looks like meathead. Maybe he was Paulio's drug mule.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        He's forty years younger. That was probably Paul's primary interest.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      It may be even simpler than that. Gaear Grimsrud posted this article last night to another thread:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20221029193056/https://www.smobserved.com/story/2022/10/29/news/the-awful-truth-paul-pelosi-was-drunk-again-and-in-a-dispute-with-a-male-prostitute-early-friday-morning/7191.html

      As SF's gay bars closed at 2 am, two gay men met in a bar and went home together. Happens every night in the City by the Bay. Except one of these two men, was married to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

      I might disappear for telling you the truth. If I do, you'll all know why. But here's what really happened early Friday morning in San Francisco. IMHO

      According to SFPD "RP [Reporting Person] stated that there’s a male in the home and that he’s going to wait for his wife. RP stated that he doesn’t know who the male is but he advised that his name is David, and that he is a friend,” the dispatch official said. “RP sounded somewhat confused.”

      It's been a rumor for years in SF that Paul Pelosi is gay. David Depape is said to be a Castro Nudist. "The lunatic who allegedly assaulted Paul Pelosi is a Berkeley resident and a 'Former Castro Nudist Protester' and hemp 'jewelry maker' ...sounds totally MAGA Republican to me. ??" this from Twitter.

      "My law firm served a lawsuit against Paul Pelosi one time in SF after attempting to serve at other residences-Napa, Georgetown. They weren't home, but staff were, and multiple law enforcement officers were on the perimeter. Break-in is odd given this level of security." said Harmeet Dillon, Republican National Committee Chairman

      I am very inclined to agree that this is most likely what happened. Why the Peolsis are trying to hide it is rather silly, considering that her constituents will probably think no less of her for having a gay/bi husband.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        The guy was either a gay pickup or a gay hooker. I am inclined to believe he was a gay hooker. If he was a pickup, I doubt they would have gotten into it. I bet he was a hooker and either Pelosi tried to welch on him or he tried to shake Pelosi down for more money.

        In fairness to Pelosi, if being married to Nancy Pelosi isn't a good excuse for going gay, I am not sure there is one.

        1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

          Trick OR Treat?

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Trick AND Treat?

        2. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

          I find it funny that this story is the only one that makes the known facts all line up. The break-in narrative breaks down once you realize the level of security and the lack of forced entry, the GOP insurrectionist narrative blew up once the guy was looked at in the slightest.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Whats better is the broken glass from the door is on the outside of the building, not the inside.

      2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        her constituents will probably think no less of her for having a gay/bi husband.

        Diversity is our strength!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          That's gay/bi, insider-trading, DUI-car-crashing husband.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Figures a couple of hippie burnouts would be swingers.

        2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          I honestly wouldn't care. Hell, I don't worry about him at all. I really do my best to not care about the spouse of politicians, we should not care who the hired help is married to. This is true of presidents as well.

      3. R Mac   3 years ago

        “Why the Peolsis are trying to hide it is rather silly, considering that her constituents will probably think no less of her for having a gay/bi husband.”

        Because then they can’t use it to bring up 1/6 again.

      4. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        Don't worry, we'll soon be at the stage where asking any questions is verboten, and pointing out any strange facts or missing details will get you banned for promoting misinformation and conspiracy theories.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          we’ll soon be at the stage where asking any questions is verboten

          Where have you been the last 2-1/2 years?

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

          Tragically Depape will be found dead in his cell having hanged himself with hemp. The surveillance cameras will have mysteriously failed and the guards will be found to have been watching funny cat videos at the time. There will be stern reprimands written by people with impressive titles and a thorough investigation by state and federal authorities but alas we may never know what drove this man to become a Mega MAGA assasin.

      5. American Mongrel   3 years ago

        I bet she was pretty fucking hot 60 years ago. If those mamms are real...

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Yeah, if you pull up photos of her from about 40 years ago, she was quite the smoker. 80s-early 90s fashion in particular was really flattering on her.

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          She looks kinda like Audrey Hepburn.

          There is a picture of her with JFK where she looks VERY hittable. As in any red blooded male with a pulse who likes the squish mitten would defo wanna hit that

          Might even make Tony give up riding the baloney pony

    3. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

      You've also got to love how the scummy vermin in the far left media tried to paint him as a far right Trump supporting QAnon guy with no evidence, meanwhile everyone can see as clear as day n the photos of what passes for his "house" a Black Lives Matter flag and a gay rainbow flag with the touching addition of a marijuana leaf field. Plus, his neighbors closest to him all describe him on the record as a radical lefty, albeit a crazy one even his fellow lefties have a hard time getting along with.

      That's why this story is already beginning to fade, and will be completely flushed down the memory hole in a couple more days, because the media scum narrative didn't stand up to even the most cursory level scrutiny.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago (edited)

        Michael Shellenbeger’s actually interviewed people there and investigated some it as well. Doing the job these tele-journalists like ENB should be doing.

        https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

        Michael Shellenberger @ShellenbergerMD It was irresponsible for @chucktodd to make no mention whatsoever of the abundant evidence that DePape’s actions were driven, fundamentally, by drug-induced psychosis, and to instead use the tragedy to score political points — 9 days before the elections.

        Looks like a gay pickup with drugs involved.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Gay pickup? Is that like a Honda Ridgeline?

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            Nobody is that gay.

          2. perlmonger   3 years ago

            The Honda Ridgeline *is* a remarkably gay pickup...

            1. rbike   3 years ago

              What about my 4 cylinder, 2-wheeldrive Tacoma? Just asking for a friend.

              1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                Semi-gay.

                1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

                  The homophobia around here has definitely picked up since last Friday.

                  Fuckin musk. They tried to warn us!

          3. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            The Honda Element is good for both bugging out when the SHTF and for one-night stand cruising, so it's the perfect Pan-Mobile! 🙂

      2. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

        I don't see how this story goes away, WCR. I really don't.

        1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

          Easy: "It's Old News"

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Uh, what do you think the war in Ukraine is for?

        3. damikesc   3 years ago

          "Respect the Pelosi request for privacy"

        4. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

          What difference, at this point, does it make?!

    4. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      Search "Palmetto Bug"
      Lots of people in Florida keep a hammer near the bedroom.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Florida man use revolver!

      2. Crackers Boy   3 years ago

        Pretty sure no one uses a hammer for a palmetto bug... they're too fast. And mean. If they took the hammer away from you, it would be real trouble. And think of the damage to the floor...

        CB

    5. mtrueman   3 years ago

      "Old man lures druggie into house for “entertainment”, druggie accidentally invokes last brain cell and realizes he’s about to be OD’d and dumped in the Tenderloin, servants call the police and let them in, druggie then decides to take the pervy old man to hell with him."

      Sounds like you've been through this before.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        No, I just know how to fit the known facts into a coherent theory.

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Anyone who gets drugged and dumped in the Tenderloin is going to wake up in a world of shit!

  11. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Overall abortion numbers down; virtual clinic abortions up.

    Virtual clinic abortions? Is that pregnancy terminations for trans women?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Abortion on tele-doc?

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago (edited)

        Telebortions

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Is that the new preschool TV show?

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      Step one: Get a clothes hanger…

    3. JasonT20   3 years ago

      Virtual clinic abortions? Is that pregnancy terminations for trans women?

      Medication-only abortion is highly effective and safe when early enough for it (9 weeks or less). It now makes up around half of all abortions in that time frame.

      Of course, it may not be available virtually in states that require ultrasounds, but I think many of the states that did are now instituting bans or near bans anyway.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        ^ This is the slimy pile of lefty shit defending murder:

        JasonT20
        February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
        “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”

        Fuck off and die, asshole.

        1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

          fuck off and die, fuck off and die.... SQUAWK!!!!!

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Quit sockpuppeting, Shrike.

            1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

              still don't know who the fuck shrike is.

              1. Nelson   3 years ago

                I think it's ML's go-to insult. Pretty pathetic, but that's ML's game.

    4. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      Abortions on Meta. Alk the signalling, none of the icky moral questions.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...nearly half of registered voters—48 percent—say they prefer candidates who will keep abortion legal, while just 33 percent say they prefer candidates who favor strict restrictions on abortion.

    Candidates crunch numbers. If voters aren't single-issue, then they can afford to go against the nearly half grain.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Yes. Voting is the result of revealed preference not stated preference.

    2. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      Also, when you put total ban on one side and all other options on the other you will get a skewed result to a nuanced issue for your partisan propaganda.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        That is the preferred approach of the abortion crowd and ENB.

        Total ban -vs.- anything and everything else, from 6 week ban or heartbeat bills to no limits whatsoever

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago

          24 weeks is extreme to someone like ENB.

        2. Nelson   3 years ago

          "That is the preferred approach of the abortion crowd"

          I hate to ruin your narrative, but the numbers fall the same way when there are 4 categories (completely illegal, legal with some restrictions/mostly illegal, legal with few restrictions/mostly legal, and completely legal. When the two extremes with the two versions of moderation in between are presented, most people live in the two middle categories, with a significant preference for "legal with few restrictions/mostly legal".

      2. JasonT20   3 years ago

        Also, when you put total ban on one side and all other options on the other you will get a skewed result to a nuanced issue for your partisan propaganda.

        Pro-life activists are either in that 7% that want total bans, or they are very close to it. Aren't those the people that push most Republican politicians to be so strongly against abortion?

        Besides, getting through a primary in either party means pleasing the reliable primary voters which lean quite a bit more toward the extremes than the party as a whole. That leaves general election voters with a choice of candidates that will only closely fit a small part of the electorate on hot-button issues. But they try and soften their stances after the primary while trying to paint their opponent as the extreme one. This tactic and the attack ads that dominate campaign advertising don't exactly delve into "other options" to the "nuanced issue" of abortion.

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          ^ This is the slimy pile of lefty shit defending murder:

          JasonT20
          February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
          “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”

          Fuck off and die, asshole.

      3. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        you might want to talk to those on the right who don't get the opposite skewed reality..... that many people support "some" levels of restrictions is also not evidence they support the total or near total bans being pushed.

        most people support it just the way it was before the plan to get rid of roe succeeded. the GOP, in all it's brilliance, turned abortion from a red meat for the base in the primaries issue that had no negative impact on them in the general..... into a reason a lot of people will now not vote for them.

    3. Overt   3 years ago

      Not just that, but this isn't how elections work. Yeah, around half the country is comprised of liberals living in the top ~30 metropolitan areas in ~15 states. I am sure they can agree on a very permissive abortion policy for themselves. The remaining 35 states will need to agree on something else. The idea that ENBs poll is at all relevant to politicians in Idaho, or even Ohio is just silly.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Which is a problem, in that her analysis isn't very good.

    4. Nelson   3 years ago

      "If voters aren’t single-issue, then they can afford to go against the nearly half grain."

      That's definitely the math pro-life politicians (as opposed to anti-abortion) are using. Anti-abortionists are much more likely to be single-issue voters on abortion than pro-choice folks.

  13. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Overall, 61 percent of folks surveyed say abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

    Thirty percent said it should be illegal in most cases, and 7 percent said it should be banned entirely.

    And yet, ENB disingenuously fails to mention any split as to when abortion should be illegal or not. Most seem to settle on 15 weeks or so.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      What is "most cases" is a pretty subjective answer. ENB is lying out her ass here.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        They have been absolutely hammering the shit out of this "Look! Voters prefer pro-abortion candidates, even among Republicans" thing in the last few weeks leading up to the election, lately.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          Meanwhile, poll after poll shows abortion to be near the bottom of voters' priorities. Even if it were true that a majority supported abortion up until birth for any reason, it still wouldn't change any votes.

          https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/how-voter-priorities-have-shifted-in-georgia-in-final-midterm-stretch

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        " ENB is lying out her ass here."

        Is that like sex work?

        1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          No, that would be laying or splaying out her ass here. 🙂

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            There goes my lunch. Thanks fuck-o

            1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

              Hey now, Skeptic just was laying out the possibilities. 🙂

        2. HorseConch   3 years ago

          One would assume that, in most cases, going into the ass would be more pertinent. out of the ass would probably fall more in line with the 7% position.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            So a creampie? 😉

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      "Most Americans are in the middle on this topic, rather than favoring complete legality or an outright ban. Thirty-four percent say abortion should be legal in most cases, and another 30% say it should be illegal in most cases. Only 7% of Americans favor an outright ban on abortion."

      https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/late-October-2022-ABC-news-poll

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Yeah, that is rhetorical bullshit at best. Lumping fans of totally unrestricted abortion, with no time limits, with those who support some limit (in the typical range of 12-16 weeks) is what some partisan shill might do.

      I bet we could switch the categories just a bit and come up with 75% (or maybe more) of Americans who support some level of restriction on abortion.

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Lumping fans of totally unrestricted abortion, with no time limits, with those who support some limit (in the typical range of 12-16 weeks) is what some partisan shill might do.

        Especially considering that those same partisans also lump anyone that supports some limit on abortion (in the typical range of 12-16 weeks) with those that support an actual near-total ban on abortion.

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        And I've seen that from certain pro-life types. It's an easy rhetorical trick, but it has a problem in that it means you're not actually paying attention to data about reality.

      3. HorseConch   3 years ago

        I bet it would be north of 90% in favor of some level of restrictions.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      Notice the weasel-wording there: "all or most cases."

      This is abortion maximalists once again trying to hide the fact that support for abortion for convenience falls off a cliff after the first trimester.

      Limit the metric to "all cases" and it's no more than 25%, and probably not even that depending on the poll.

      1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        when only 1% of all abortions are after the first trimester, and pretty much all of those are for medical reasons....... i would say that people supporting abortions during the first trimester or for medical reasons after that is completely consistent with the phrase "all or most cases."

        the only weasels here are people like you who want to pretend that people not supporting something that NEVER HAPPENED is somehow a good way to push for restrictions beyond what people agree on.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          "when only 1% of all abortions are after the first trimester, and pretty much all of those are for medical reasons"

          Well that's some serious horseshit.

          1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

            sorry if reality is so hard for you to grasp.... it is the truth.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          the only weasels here are people like you who want to pretend that people not supporting something that NEVER HAPPENED is somehow a good way to push for restrictions beyond what people agree on.

          Hey, you stupid fucking waste of molecules, there are Democrats running in major elections right now that are promoting abortion for any reason all the way up until the magic birth canal trip is finished. Whether those incidents are 1% is completely fucking immaterial to that support.

          Try practicing some reading comprehension for once, dingleshit. Or better yet, jump in front of a speeding truck so your genetic line doesn't pollute the rest of humanity.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            Cultural conservatives will not abide laws that allow for abortion. That has been made abundantly clear since Dobbs, as they have passed, tried to pass, or plan to pass draconian laws to criminalize abortion, travel for abortion, drugs for abortion, talking about abortion, ... probably even thinking about abortion.

            If given the slightest opening, cultural conservatives will take the opportunity to try to impose their values on everyone else. I get the instict to make sure that can never happen, misguided as it is.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              And cultural leftists will not abide laws that don't allow it all the way up to the magic birth canal trip for any reason whatsoever. What's your point?

              If given the slightest opening, cultural conservatives will take the opportunity to try to impose their values on everyone else.

              "When cultural leftists impose their values on everyone else, it's good. When cultural conservatives do the same thing, it's bad."

              LOL, you're nothing but a fucking Marcusian and you're too dim to realize it.

              1. Nelson   3 years ago

                "And cultural leftists will not abide laws that don’t allow it all the way up to the magic birth canal trip for any reason whatsoever."

                Almost no one supports abortion up to birth. Just like almost no one supports life beginning at conception. Gaslight all you want, that won't make your delusions into reality.

                "When cultural leftists impose their values on everyone else, it’s good. When cultural conservatives do the same thing, it’s bad."

                If by "leftists impose their values on everyone else" you mean "allow people to make their own moral and medical decisions", then yes.

                The "leftist" position doesn't impose anything on people who oppose abortion, except requiring them to accept that there are people in the world who don't share their beliefs.

                The same cannot be said for cultural conservatives. If you don't believe like they do, they'll get the government to force you to act like it.

          2. Foo_dd   3 years ago

            the fact is that pretty much any abortion restriction that the general population supports MAKES NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE.

            ban it after the first trimester except for medical reasons (a position the vast majority are good with).... the exact same number of abortions will happen.

            make it legal right up to the trip down the birth canal..... the exact same number of abortions happen. l

            this is what you stupid fucks locked in your culture war BS don't understand..... the only women who WANT an abortion after the first trimester are women who NEED an abortion. those pushing to remove abortion restrictions are basically saying "mind your own fucking business," but even with those restrictions in place the same number of abortions happen..... because those late term abortions always have a medical reason. ALWAYS. it is ironic how many people who think they are libertarian want to use the force of government to fuck with people and not even make any difference.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago (edited)

              ban it after the first trimester except for medical reasons (a position the vast majority are good with)…. the exact same number of abortions will happen.

              There's no actual evidence this will be the case; you're just wishcasting.

              this is what you stupid fucks locked in your culture war BS don’t understand….. the only women who WANT an abortion after the first trimester are women who NEED an abortion

              “I don’t feel like having a kid” is not a question of need. That’s what you stupid fucks don’t really grasp. And culture wars are awesome because the left absolutely hates them when they get hot.

              1. Nelson   3 years ago

                "“I don’t feel like having a kid” is not a question of need. That’s what you stupid fucks don’t really grasp."

                Us pro-liberty types do grasp it. We just think that's a perfectly reasonable reason to have an abortion. After viability, virtually no one is getting an abortion because they don't want a kid. They got it months before, which is why a tiny percentage of elective abortions happen after the first trimester and none happen after the second.

                "And culture wars are awesome because the left absolutely hates them when they get hot."

                Yeah, intentionally dividing the country over manufactured issues and delusions of moral superiority is awesome. If they won't accept your restrictionist, myopic, coercive worldview you'll burn it all down, right?

              2. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                "There’s no actual evidence this will be the case; you’re just wishcasting."

                there is that reality you can't seem to grasp, again....... only 1% of abortions happen after the first trimester, and those are all for medical reasons. you want proof? those numbers do not change no matter how permissive the state laws are. states that allow abortion right up to birth do not see more abortions after the first trimester. the more restrictive abortion laws do not save a single fetus, they just force the sate to invade a woman's privacy to prove it was medically necessary.

                "“I don’t feel like having a kid” is not a question of need."

                you really are digging in on the deliberately stupid...... NOBODY gets an abortion for that reason after the first trimester. as fun as morning sickness, cramps, shifting things in your abdomen and hips, and fear of people being able to tell are..... women who just "don't feel like having a kid," don't wait. women who don't want to be pregnant don't stay pregnant for a few more months just for the fun of it. you have to be incredibly stupid to think otherwise.

                "And culture wars are awesome because the left absolutely hates them when they get hot."

                unfortunately for you, those culture wars lead to you looking like a complete dip shit as you try to argue that women who don't want to be pregnant stay pregnant for 4 months or more just for the fun of it.

    5. Foo_dd   3 years ago

      i guess "in all or most cases" is too confusing for you idiots.

    6. Nelson   3 years ago (edited)

      “Most seem to settle on 15 weeks or so”

      Actually the tipping point is around 20 weeks. Which isn’t an unreasonable line, logically speaking.

      1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        they know 15weeks is BS, it is just a line they are trying where they think a lot of those people who actually support 20weeks won't fight back too hard against. (whereas the full on ban they really want would see them all swept out of office.)

        they are taking a page out of the gun grabber handbook to try and see how much they can get away with.

  14. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

    In a new ABC-Ipsos poll, nearly half of registered voters—48 percent—say they prefer candidates who will keep abortion legal, while just 33 percent say they prefer candidates who favor strict restrictions on abortion. Eighteen percent said abortion has no bearing on who they will vote for.

    How about likely voters? Keep hope alive ENB, abortion falls way down the list of voters concerns,

  15. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    In addition to making abortion legal until birth as ENB notes, we also have to vote for Democrats to guarantee continuation of Biden's proxy war with Russia.

    Ukrainians are warning Republicans who may soon be in charge: “Defeating Russia means providing not just weapons, but more money for Ukraine’s economy as well.”

    With a GOP House there's only a 97% to 98% chance we'll keep sending billions to Ukraine. Please vote Democrat. We need them controlling the House to boost those odds to 100%.

    #LibertariansForProxyWars

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      #WeHavePlentyOfMoney

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      Don’t forget some more of the 1/6 committee.

    3. Overt   3 years ago

      "more money for Ukraine’s economy as well.”

      Set aside the politics for a moment.

      This is Ukraine. Their women are very pretty, but that isn't reason enough for the country to be such a focal point for so much US foreign policy.

      Again, this isn't about Team Red vs Team Blue. We know now that many of the people who ended up on Trump's staff were also tits-deep in Ukraine. The problem is that BILLIONS of dollars shoveled into this country have made a couple corrupt Oligarchs in that country obscenely rich, and a few hundred DC Elites very well off.

      Our Federal Government is too goddamn powerful. It is so powerful that a rounding error in our budget- tens of billions of dollars- is enough to enable developing-world parasites to co-opt our foreign policy so badly that we are on the brink of open conflict with a nuclear power.

      Yes, please, toss Biden out on his ass. But don't for a second think that it starts or stops with him. Don't think it starts or stops with Team Blue. The elites would love nothing more than for all of us to think that the Red Elites winning will somehow change this game.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        Correct. I'm hoping the Republicans win both houses but I'm under no illusion that the Ukraine money laundromat will be affected.

      2. mtrueman   3 years ago

        "Their women are very pretty,"

        More propaganda from the elites. Estonia has the prettiest women of the western former Soviet republics and Kyrgyzstan from the east.

      3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        This is Ukraine. Their women are very pretty, but that isn’t reason enough for the country to be such a focal point for so much US foreign policy.

        I don't know about that. The chicks from Ukraine on Adult Friend Finder are, by and large, more fappable than the splay-legged milk nags here

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Well, they do knock you out and leave the west behind. I just hope Putin doesn’t invade Georgia again, that’s always on my mind.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            Yet another reason Putin is a monster. He is taking the cream of Ukrainian sexiness and using it for target practice and slave labor!

            Putin just can't take the Makarov to his basal ganglia lizard brain fast enough for my tastes...just like You Know Who Else.

    4. JasonT20   3 years ago

      In addition to making abortion legal until birth...

      How often do women 7+ months pregnant seek elective abortion?

      How many doctors would perform an abortion at that point unless there is something wrong with the pregnancy that puts the woman at heightened risk major complications or death and/or that the fetus is no longer capable of being born alive or of living long if it is?

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        Search Kermit Gosnell. It may be rare but it absolutely does happen.

        1. genXer   3 years ago (edited)

          George Tiller, who did them to save the life of women suffering from life threatening afflictions, like depression. His was only one of three that did late term abortions, including convicted 1st degree murderer Gosnell, until a post-term abortionist came for him.

          Edit: This was 2009, I wonder how many do them now?

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            According to the anti-abortionists all abortion clinics either do them or desperately want to do them, but third trimester abortions these days are medically necessary abortions.

        2. Nelson   3 years ago

          Kermit Gosnell was not providing legal abortions. Trying to compare Gosnell to legal abortion is like trying to compare a US sevice member to a serial killer. It is a ridiculous, false accusation.

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      Hahaha, holy shit. I don't mind helping Ukraine decimate Russia's military, but this is some next-level entitlement here.

      Talk to fucking Europe for economic aid, you fucking welfare queens. Zelensky needs to be reminded that the only reason he's leading his country is because we're allowing him to do so. The CIA and State Department needs to put their bitch back on the leash.

  16. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Brazil's right-wing president Jair Bolsonaro has lost to Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, the leftist former president of Brazil. One of the founders of the Workers' Party, Lula previously served as president from 2003 to 2010.

    Not that big a swing to the left there, ENB.

    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1586848954012127233

    Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
    But Lula is going to be very limited in what he can do. Bolsonaro's Party is the largest in both the House and Senate. Bolsonaro's allies controls key governorships around the country. Lula faces a much stronger bolsonarismo, and dependence on a corrupt Centrist faction.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      You can't expect her to know anything. I mean be realistic here.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Lula owns the courts though.

    3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Bolsonaro has the stench of Trump on him.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        And you have the stench of Epstein on you.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          With a hint of baby powder.

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        This is a fun example of a very serious issue in our politics, which is we view all external politics through our domestic lens. Bolsonaro is Bolsonaro and though Brazil is one of the most demographically similar nations to the US, it's still a very different place with its own problems, concerns, and individuals.

        Don't fall into the mistake of reading too much of our domestic politics into foreign nations.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      "corrupt Centrist faction"

      WTF is that? Does Greenwald think that anyone not going alt-left or alt-right is morally corrupt? Or that those not in a major party could possibly be more corrupt than party players?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        It's Brazil. I suspect their politics and corruption may be a bit different than ours. For the record, Greenwald actually lives in Brazil.

      2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        He may mean literally corrupt. If I'm not mistaken, that Da Silva guy himself was charged in a big corruption scandal a couple years back.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          So, "honestly" corrupt?

  17. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

    Well-written article on the Wuhan lab:

    https://www.propublica.org/article/senate-report-covid-19-origin-wuhan-lab

    The examples of CCP CYA speak would be hilarious if there weren’t so many deaths involved. Lots of party members heroically rushing to address viral containment issues.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Sadly, I think it is going to be very hard to hold the CCP accountable for anything. We can, however, hold the people in this country who called this a "conspiracy theory" and tried to censor and ruin the careers and lives of anyone who dared speak what was the obvious truth by mid 2020.

      Fuck the CCP. They are animals and everyone knows that. Lets talk about the Democrats, the media, and the social media platforms who covered this up for two years.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        String up the little gnome that funded it.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          I have a hard time kicking around the CCP too much since it is very likely that the research that created the virus was at least partially funded by the US.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Good luck. Like every other exposure of organized lying, our media is already busy memory-holing anything that might prove their bullshit propaganda.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Sadly, I think it is going to be very hard to hold the CCP accountable for anything.

        True, but we can start by kicking their scientists who are working at our defense labs like Los Alamos, DTRA, DARPA, etc., out of the country. The OPM hack alone should have been sufficient to do so, but probably 1/4 of the fucking government, their donors, and their media shills like Tom Friedman are on the take from them.

      4. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        it really boggles my mind the way people who were so obsessed with saying covid was no big deal, we should do nothing, the vaccine is going to kill you, wearing a mask is selfish, etc., etc........ are also obsessed with pretending it was intentional, a bioweapon, a Chinese plot to destroy us, etc. etc....... it is no big deal, except it is the worst thing to ever happen!!!!!!!

        contradictions like that seem to be getting more and more common, the more people are driven by hate more than rational thought.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Those are not the same people.

          1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

            yeah..... yeah they are.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago (edited)

              Cite?

              1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                reality. not sure what planet you have been on the last few years.

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  "saying covid was no big deal, we should do nothing, the vaccine is going to kill you, wearing a mask is selfish, etc"

                  Hey Lockdown Princess, are you sure an ostensibly libertarian site is the best place to whine that people weren't "In this together" or following all the ridiculous, arbitrary rules?

                  1. Utkonos   3 years ago

                    This gut praised Stalin a few weeks back.

                    1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                      go fuck yourself, you lying piece of shit.

                    2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                      Really? When was this? I missed this one. Not often we get a full-fledged Tankie on here.

                  2. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                    look at the brain dead partisan hack who thinks that the two most insanely extreme positions were the only ones to exist.

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          So the myocarditis resulting from the vaccine is imaginary? Ok, Pony Boy.

          1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

            what i said was that those obsessed with narrative A are also obsessed with the completely contradictory narrative B....... i did not say anything was imaginary.

            now fuck off and learn to read.

          2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

            Millions upon millions of people receive vaccination, a few may have developed myocarditis as a side effect. Myocarditis are a known possible side effect that clinics that administer vaccinations know how to watch for and treat. This possible side effect is not some big, unusual thing for a vaccination.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              80% increase in children retard. For a virus they were not at risk for. Fuck off.

              1. Nelson   3 years ago

                Your stats are so far away from reality that even you have to realize you're full of shit.

        3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

          “….. intentional, a bio weapon, a Chinese plot to destroy us….”

          None of the above. “They said it came from a wet market, not from the lab right down the street.”

          If you had any intelligence to insult this might bother you too.

          1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

            first off, you need a bit of a wake up call because there are lots of people on your "team" saying exactly that.

            second, you then go on to demonstrate my point. i never said they were competent, honest, reliable, or in any way not responsible. i said that those obsessed with pretending the existence of covid was no bid deal were also obsessed with making China's role in it getting out a big deal. and, that those contradictory obsessions were possible due to people being driven by hate and not reason. you blew right past what i said, attacked things i never said, and felt the need to attach anger and insults to it.

            if covid was not a big deal and all the people who said you should take voluntary actions to limit it's impact were wrong..... then who the fuck cares where it came from? if covid was not something worth responding to, then how is worth assigning blame?

            likewise, if China really screwed us all, made things worse with lies about how and when it happened, and unleashed something serious on the world..... then why the fuck would you not want to take voluntary actions to limit the impact? if it was really such a terrible thing that China failed to take proper precautions, communicate honestly, and take responsibility, then why would you advocate for others doing nothing and taking no responsibility?

            I'm not interested in playing wack a mole with every claim you guys want to make, i am trying to point out that your positions are self contradictory if looked at objectively.

            1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

              As EISTAU said, if you had any intelligence... If your argument was 'some people who believe covid is no big deal sometimes push the contradictory claim that China's potential role was a big deal because X.' But you didn't make this argument, you claimed that everybody in one group has the same beliefs, and they always overlap. This is an argument from stupidity, bias, or ignorance. Or from a combination of any or all of the three.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              likewise, if China really screwed us all, made things worse with lies about how and when it happened, and unleashed something serious on the world….. then why the fuck would you not want to take voluntary actions to limit the impact? if it was really such a terrible thing that China failed to take proper precautions, communicate honestly, and take responsibility, then why would you advocate for others doing nothing and taking no responsibility?

              You're right, considering the shitty diseases that have been coming out of there the last 25 years, maybe we should just irradiate the fucking place so we can get something of a reprieve.

        4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          LOL, I never thought of it that way, but you are right.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Yes. Saying China was responsible for global overreaction is totes off limits. What the fuck? They caused trillions of dollars of harm.

            How fucking dumb are you?

        5. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          Whoever "they" is, that is not me. Moreover, the facts indicate that it was created in the Wuhan lab in accidently released. This has hurt China more than anyone. It wasn't a plot. It was good old fashioned Communist incompetence.

          And wearing a mask isn't selfish. It is retarded.

          1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

            congratulations on not swallowing every single bit of dumb BS....

            but, your ability to avoid the stupid was not complete.

            at a minimum, you have shown that blaming china is important to you...... and you also are against taking any personal action (wear a mask) to try and limit the impact.

            it is, to you, simultaneously no big deal and a big deal. if you took an honest look around, you would see that everything i said is also represented in those on your "team." (they might almost call you a liberal for not being crazy enough.)

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              Sorry the "conspiracy theories" turned out to be factual. Is this spergathon your way of coping with that?

              1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                well bless your heart..... you think the right response to having your insanity pointed out is to say that your fantasies are real......

                you are a special kind of stupid.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                  Bless yours right back--sorry your "Great Reset" ended up coming up short and your side's about to get its shit pushed in soon.

                  If it hurts you, it's automatically good.

                  1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                    i don't have any idea what the fuck you are even on about. frothy mouthed partisans don't normally make much sense, but this is even more drivel than usual.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      I'm not shocked Mike is a fan of a leftist website.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        ProPublica leftist? The fact finding website?

        Well, I suppose it is. Just like science and math are leftist. And evolution is a leftist lie designed to secularize America.

        Darwin, Gregor Mendel, Einstein were all commies!

        You must have gone to Bob Jones U or some other stupid "conservative" university like Hillsdale.

        We have the truth and "conservative truth".

        1. Overt   3 years ago

          A few years back SPB posted kiddy porn to this site, and his initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead SPB keeps showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get him to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate, and link to the evidence of his wrongdoing.

          https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836

          Don't respond to SPB, just shun him.

    3. Overt   3 years ago

      "Well-written article on the Wuhan lab:"

      Ruh roh. Nobody tell Mike that the source of this article- the senate report- was issued by the Minority Oversight Staff of the HELP committee. That is, it was Republicans who did all of it. If he were to know that, he'd be to-be-suring and tut-tutting about it constantly.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Based on his treatment of Rolling Stone, he very well might criticize the report in a few days.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          I just like how he reads a left leaning interpretation of the report instead of reading the report himself.

  18. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    It's so nice that Brazil elected a corrupt former president so that they can finally clean up the corruption of the current president.

  19. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    The ridiculousness of zero-Covid:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63456107

    Shanghai Disney has become the latest high-profile venue to shut its gates thanks to China's strict zero-Covid policy, trapping visitors inside.

    People have been told they will not be allowed out of the theme park until they can show a negative test.

    It comes after Shanghai reported 10 locally transmitted cases on Saturday.

    China's controversial zero-Covid policy has already seen millions of people repeatedly locked down, sometimes in unusual locations.

    The sudden nature lockdowns have seen people fleeing shops - including a Shanghai branch of Swedish furniture giant Ikea - and workplaces as they try to avoid being trapped inside.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Nobody likes those meatballs?

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      I'm convinced it's political. Districts that are insufficiently loyal to Winnie the Pooh come down with a case of the wuflu and get shut down until morale improves.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        It’s solid evidence of how well masks and vaccines work.

    3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      I bet if they are locked in there until they test clean and it takes three months they will maybe MAYBE get in 12-15 rides MAX.

    4. Utkonos   3 years ago

      So now the press gangs up on Shanghai?

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        Does Disney Shanghai have walking broomsticks bringing water to the wet market?

  20. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

    Kamala loves Venn Diagrams
    https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1586088797329977344?cxt=HHwWgMCjsfLW9YIsAAAA

    Kamala loves yellow school busses
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11361233/Kamala-mocked-gushing-love-yellow-school-buses-1B-push-switch-electric.html

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      “I love Venn diagrams, I really do, I love Venn diagrams, it’s just something about those three circles and the analysis about where there is the intersection”

      She really is this stupid and vapid.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        You are just being racist and misogynistic.

        1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

          Can you put that in Venn diagram form?

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Her speechwriters also hate her.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        "And some Venn diagrams look like my backside when I bend over!"

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          Thread Over. Thank you and goodnight everyone.

    2. Anomalous   3 years ago

      https://twitter.com/mkhammer/status/1585329854807175168

    3. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      I didn't know they made a reimagining of Being There.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Art brought to life.

  21. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://nypost.com/2022/10/29/ceos-fixing-bidens-saudi-oil-mess-because-he-wont/

    Some of Wall Street’s top CEOs spent the last week on a diplomatic mission to ­Saudi Arabia. It wasn’t touted as diplomacy, of course. The financiers who attended the Future Investment Initiative in ­Saudi Arabia, known as “Davos in the Desert,” are a well-scripted bunch who prefer to keep their dealings private whenever possible.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      I wish we could hear some of the Biden jokes they told.

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        The dumb bastard is the president. That would be a funny joke, but, unfortunately, it's true.

      2. Utkonos   3 years ago

        What do Joe Biden and Russia have in common? Neither of them respect boundaries.
        (The Davis guys think that’s a knee-slapper, I personally don’t get it.)

        1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago (edited)

          The Davis guys? Are those the ones who say: “You will own all the gaudy jewelry you want! You will have no privacy from admiring yourself in the mirror! You will eat corned beef brisket and collard greens! And you will be happy! Because I’m the Candy Man?”
          https://youtu.be/fq7WX5oINAQ

        2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          And they got it wrong. It's Putin that doesn't respect boundaries. Russian people respect boundaries, especially dissenters and refugees from Putin when they meet welcoming boundaries. 🙂

  22. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Darwin Award Attempt:

    https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/hollywood/man-who-ate-live-crab-for-pinching-his-daughter-diagnosed-with-severe-infections/ar-AA13yQ8K

    We all have that one person who goes to any extent to exact revenge. Some let that out often while others avoid the idea of doing it. Unless someone irks us and then we go all out with our revenge plots. In China, a man ate a live crab because it had pinched her daughter. Eventually, he fell seriously ill and was infected in the chest, abdomen, liver and digestive system. According to the South China Morning Post, this man is identified as 39-year-old Lu belonging to Zhejiang in eastern China.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Careful, this could be the next pandemic vector the CCP is working on.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Is Fauci funding it?

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

      “….. a man ate a live crab because it had pinched her daughter….”

      Good to know that the chinks are as confused about all this gender nonsense as we are.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        How Terrible And Unfair™ of you! This isn't confined to any group of people!

        Give him time and Jordan Peterson will be crazy enough from his Beef-And-Booze Diet that he'll eat raw lobsters to break the monotony and all of his fan-boys will follow suit too! 🙂

  23. mpercy   3 years ago

    "This is a very good piece from Kat Rosenfield—a novelist, Reason contributor, and "lifelong liberal"—on why she keeps "getting mistaken for a conservative.""

    ENB posting this to pat herself on the back? From the article:

    "As Reason’s Elizabeth Nolan Brown noted, “the whole thing makes no sense — except as an exercise in labeling anyone out of step with progressive orthodoxy in any way at all as a right-winger.”

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      ENB should try not to break her arm so much while doing so.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Recursive references.

    3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Is there something wrong with that?

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Holy crap.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Remember. Mike quotes himself in comments all the time. And there is this:

          Mike Laursen 1 year ago
          Flag Comment Mute User
          White Knight pointed out, correctly, that you are very logical, but quite unaware that you often engage in not seeking out information that goes against your narratives, garbage-in/garbage-out logic, and not checking your conclusions for basic sanity. You should have listened to White Knight.

          1. MT-Man   3 years ago

            What happened to the white knight account?

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Mike got rid of it when muting became an option.

            2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              He's using it now, he just changed the user name.

              Here's one of my favorite Mike autofellatio attempts:

              The White Knight
              December.19.2020 at 12:38 pm
              I use my eyes, but have trained my mind not to exaggerate about what I’m seeing, and never to buy into the false dichotomy that I have to act like a sheep

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Does not apply to Rittenhouse or fire extinguishers obviously.

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        Yes. Idiot.

    4. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Cool women like ENB don't want to be associated with conservatism.

      Fucking cuck-ass Bible-beaters who want the government to dictate the rules for their vag? What decent educated woman would want to identify as a conservative?

      1. damikesc   3 years ago

        ENB is cool?

        This speaks volumes.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          First thing every morning, you spend your time commenting on a blog written by someone you think is uncool and not a good journalist. This speaks volumes.

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            So do you.

          2. damikesc   3 years ago

            I also think Michael Moore is a useless cunt. He ain't cool, either.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

              Relevance to my comment?

              Do you hang out on Moore’s website every day? I certainly don’t.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                You hang out on Truth Social and brag about it...

                1. Nelson   3 years ago

                  No one hangs out on Truth Social.

                  That's why cultural conservatives have to keep bashing Twitter. Because when they got their own version it ended up exactly the same as Twitter, but with no users.

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    No. Mike has admitted he hangs out there retard. You are also welcome to see their numbers.

                    Why are all you leftists so fucking dumb?

                    1. Nelson   3 years ago

                      Oh yeah, their numbers are yuuuuge. As long as you take their word for it. But Trump has never been shown to be a liar, so why would anyone doubt him?

                      Also, be more accurate in your accusations. I am a libertarian, so I support personal liberty. When it comes to culture war issues the right hates personal liberty, so I tend to oppose Republican social positions. Thay doesn't make me a fan of Democrats.

                      Fiscally, I am as far from a leftist as possible. I am hostile to socialism because it doesn't work. I am pro-capiralism, so I am opposed to corporate welfare. I am against subsidies for businesses and college.

                      So try to use your brain when you pick an insult. Don't be lazy.

                      Fiscally

            2. Utkonos   3 years ago

              Is the giant socialist weasel still a thing?

          3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            I won't even deny that about myself. Internet commenting is pretty lame as far as hobbies go, and I've been doing it since I was 8 or so.
            Doesn't make the Reason Roundup any better.

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          I think he means 'frigid'

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Yeah, I would much rather hang out with a bunch of purple-haired gender freaks telling me the rules about their lady-penises.

      3. R Mac   3 years ago

        You were banned for posting links to kiddie porn.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Isn't there any way for Reason to kick him off? There are people here who have advocated for my death, but I think that's just talk and insecurity by them.

          Kiddy porn is a whole different thing. If it's the same guy, he should definitely be banned. And arrested, ideally.

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      The story here is not that she's being "mistaken for a conservative" it's that progressives call anyone who is out of step with progressive orthodoxy. That's the story.

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        Whoosh! Right over ENB's head.

      2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Yup, just like several extreme right-wing commenters here call anyone who casts any doubt on their right-wing echo chamber comments leftist.

        Extremists gonna extreme.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Reminder. Only jeff, sarc, and Mike can call people politicized namesake right winger. Don't dare call them leftists based on their posts.

      3. Nelson   3 years ago

        "it’s that progressives call anyone who is out of step with progressive orthodoxy"

        It's not just the far left that does it. Nor just the far right. Extremists and cults have to marginalize everyone (siege mentality) and claim that there are ongoing conspiracies against them by powerful forces. It's what they do.

  24. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

    Kids, don't leave home without it.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/194775987@N02/52463638783/

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Ah, the SPB2 Warning Meter.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Buttplug hates those things

  25. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

    Reason Rundown

    Musk: Twitter board defrauded the court — and I own the evidence

    Also: “Mr. Musk also appears unlikely to pay the golden parachutes that the fired top executives of Twitter were set to receive. Under the merger agreement, those executives — including Parag Agrawal, the chief executive — had been set to receive compensation of $20 million to $60 million if they were fired. But Mr. Musk terminated the executives “for cause,” meaning he did it because he alleged he had justification, which may void that agreement”

    1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      Oh my....term for cause. That is gonna get messy. Hope those three have good emergency funds.

      1. Anomalous   3 years ago

        I'm sure this will be settled out of court.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          I’m not. Musk wants this out in the open.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        They were making almost 10 mil each a year.

        1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

          Yeah, I know. Still though....term for cause is a legal thing. We'll see how that plays out.

    2. Illocust   3 years ago

      You don't pay golden parachutes because execs deserve it. You pay it, so they go away quietly and don't cause trouble for your company afterwards.

      1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        And if you're looking to expose the corruption of others then a messy fight where that corruption is central and you own the data is better than one where you have to hope the courts allow you the data.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        What happened to assassination?

        1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

          Reserved for Epstein-level crises.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            A favorite of one Mrs. Clinton when things might get out of hand.

      3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

        This is where he has them by the balls. They worst the fired executive can do is sho how the defrauded investors. Which Elon was going to do anyway

    3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      Yep for cause. 'cause they were evil retards!

  26. mpercy   3 years ago

    I assume this is the NR article not behind the NR paywall.

    https://courses.washington.edu/smithint/rosenfield.pdf

    Kat Rosenfield
    Why I Keep Getting Mistaken for a Conservative
    National Review
    November 7, 2022

  27. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    Notice the dip among Republicans, and the tick up among Democrats. For decades abortion was a huge talking point and people wanted to opine to prove their cultural affiliation. But recently anti-abortion activists are getting their way. States passing laws designed to be challenged, to make a cultural statement, to get passed up to SCOTUS. And so it was no longer a talking point, but actual fact. Deeds not words were happening. And then SCOTUS make their decision and you see the last tick up and town on the graph. Suddenly the rubber hits the road.

    The overwhelming majority of people are fine with abortion in the first trimester, and firmly against in the last trimester. Only the fringes, the small minority, stake out positions on the extremes. And now that it's no longer just a talking point to gain cultural rep, people are starting to actually think about it. And actual opinions are crystalizing. Starting to understand the consequences.

    Peopel don't want to send desperate mothers to prison. People don't want five-minutes-before-birth abortions and dumping healthy babies in trashcans. But neither do they want back alley abortions. So first trimester is fine. And that's historical. Abortion was fine up until "quickening". This whole "but the Bible says" rhetoric does not come from biblical times, but fairly modern.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      My bet is on Team Red to do well in the midterms, but they could well shoot themselves in the feet over abortion.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Needz moar weasel words.

        1. Super Scary   3 years ago

          Maybe something along the lines of "voting against their best interests"? That one always rubs me the wrong way.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Mike is a top-tier concern troll when the passion hits.

      2. Brandybuck   3 years ago

        Team Red will do well because Team Blue is completely ignoring the average voter and catering to the Wokesters and Identitarians and wonks. Not that Team Red is much better, but at least they aren't shitting all over the voters every time they open they open their mouths.

        And there still are a huge amount of mainstream Republicans running for office. The media likes to focus on the nutcases but they're the rarity. In the absence of good libertarian and classic liberal choices, I would rather take the mainstream.

    2. Ben of Houston   3 years ago

      What people need to do is just accept a balance as a least of a choice of evils instead of claiming one extreme or the other.

      I can at least accept the pro-life extremists because they are internally consistent (it's murder and that's always wrong unless to save other life). I might not agree, but I can at least understand the concept of homicide trumping every other consideration. I just wish they would accept that these are the potential consequences.

      The pro-choice extremists just seem crazy to me.

      In the end, the Supremes were right. Roe might have made no sense whatsoever as a matter of law, but it does seem the least-bad policy possible

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        The least-bad would be a law that conveyed personhood on all fetuses who reach the same age as the youngest fetus to survive.

        That would provide a hard, provable, data-driven line that would prevent politicians from using it as a way to virtue-signal and fundraise ... sigh. Never mind.

      2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        That's the whole thing; Roe wasn't a matter of legislative law. It was a U.S. Constitutional Individual Rights ruling. And well based in Constitutional Amendments. "People to be secure in themselves", no "involuntary servitude", etc, etc...

        It was written at a time the Constitutional actually had a speckle of recognition left. Today it's all but a forgotten USA (by its definition) and a Democratic Nazi-Empire that took over.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago (edited)

          …And one just has to be astonished by the way the Supreme Court ruled this change…

          The U.S. Constitution doesn’t apply to those with ‘potential’ life. Geeezzz… They just as well have summoned it to Women aren’t U.S. citizens anymore.

          Never-mind where in that Constitution they used language to add-lib their 'beliefs'.. They just thought they'd re-write the thing because they have opinions.

      3. Brandybuck   3 years ago

        The pro-choice extremists are crazy. But quite a few pro-life extremists are too. When you get to the extremes you toss out your rationality. Pro-life should apply to capital punishment at well, but it doesn't for many people. And you do have those where the mother's life is not even a factor. No abortion even if it saves the mothers life, even when it's incestual rape, even when the baby will be born dead or ancephalic, etc.

        But most people don't really think through their ideology to find the consistencies. Hell, most people don't even have an ideology it's just gut feelings bolstered by team partisanship.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          "gut feelings bolstered by team partisanship"
          Side effects of throwing out the principles of the USA (U.S. Consititution)
          And championing Democracy [WE] mobs RULE!

  28. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    • What we know about the man who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband in his home on Friday.

    Sevo and Nardz remain MIA.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      You've been trying to ship those two for over a year now, haven't you.

      “I think him and Nardz are… making sweet homosexual love.”

      https://reason.com/2021/10/03/how-the-cdc-became-americas-landlord/?comments=true#comment-9138013

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        How cute. A so-called conservative is taking a page from the leftist playbook and using things said a year ago. You're no different than the leftists you hate.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          I love how mad reminding you of all the stupid shit you've said, makes you.

          Also, is quoting you directly "the leftist playbook" now? I didn't know. So quoting you is like quoting Bernie?

      2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Maybe you can cancel me if you dig deep enough. Just like a leftist.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          I'll never cancel you, Sarcasmic.
          Out of all the lolcows here you're the easiest to milk and the best producer.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Also, both posted here this weekend.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        I'm glad I have better things to do than hang out here on weekends.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          You should do those things during the week as well, (if your liver can take it).

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO CLEVER!

            *swoon*

            1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

              Oh wow! You got the joke this time. That’s good for you.

        2. R Mac   3 years ago

          Were you so drunk you forgot you posted about your fear of being doxed this weekend?

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            He was hacked!!!

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              For someone who claims to be smart, you are really stupid. Hacked means someone gets control over an account. I was never hacked.

              What happened what people (Tulpa) created accounts with strategically places spaces. " sarcasmic" for example.

              If you were an honest person (haaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa whew I'm out of breath haaa *gasp* stop it it hurts!) you'd have recognized this when names were highlighted to show spaces.

              But you don't care. You're not honest. You're a piece of shit that only cares about scoring points and being mean to strangers.

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                Poor sarc.

              2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                LMAO! Need a tissue? Poor baby.

              3. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Oh. So you haven't said your account was hacked multiple times. Your words. Interesting.

              4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

                Were you here this weekend, or not? Thought I saw you. And sevo, and nardz.

                I guess you still find that joke funny, tho. Use it as long as you want, I guess.

        3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          It's pretty chill on weekends.

        4. Brandybuck   3 years ago

          I'm only here to avoid doing actual work at the office.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      They've both been on here since. Don't cream yourself over that thought. Buttplug's already done that.

    4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Sevo surfaced yesterday.

      Nardz, on the other hand…

    5. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Ideas!

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        He never attacks other posters.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Still waiting for you to add something to an conversation that isn't something a teenage girl would say to put someone down in order to build themselves up.

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            Don’t look at me! follows me around like a puppy, leaving little gray boxes all over the carpet.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              It's like he's having a contest with himself to see how stupid he can be, and his buddies think he's the smartest guy on the board.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                Mirror, mirror on the wall...

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  translation: "I'm rubber! You're glue! Neener neener neee-ner!"

              2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                MUTE ME!

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  And miss opportunities to point out how incredibly stupid you are? No way.

                  1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                    How can it be you are the only two people who say these terrible things about me?

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Terrible things? LMAO! Need a tissue? Poor baby.

                    2. jdgalt1   3 years ago

                      He hasn't created the other 59 sockpuppet accounts yet.

            2. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Weird. It is what you both are doing here this morning. Not much if constant hypocrites.

    6. Nelson   3 years ago

      "Sevo and Nardz remain MIA."

      LOL! I wouldn't know. Those two and Kirkland were the first members of my mute list.

      Same with Buttplug, which has made some of the recent discussions difficult to follow.

  29. Cronut   3 years ago

    "Half of independent registered voters (50%) also cite the economy or inflation as their single most important issue."

    "The third most important issue for registered voters is abortion (16%)."

    https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/late-October-2022-ABC-news-poll

    Abortion is a distant number three on the list of important things. And it's a poll of registered voters, not likely voters.

    Abortion isn't going to move the needle any more than J6 will.

    Stop trying to make Roevember happen. It's not going to happen.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Worldwide Inflation is a non-issue as well.

      Not that it doesn't concern people. It's just that the only solution is a central bank induced deep recession.

      Or just wait it out.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Nobody cares if they go broke. It’s cool.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago (edited)

          Republicans can’t do a goddamn thing about inflation.

          What are they going to do? Cut spending?

          Ha ha, just kidding. Like that might happen.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Dude, all the inflation around the world was caused by Democrats. Biden specifically. I've been told by the experts in these comments that because the dollar is the world currency, dollar inflation is driving world inflation. If Biden hadn't sent out COVID checks then there would be no inflation anywhere. He single-handedly destroyed the world economy.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

              But the USD keeps getting stronger. WTF?

              Weak dollar = higher commodity prices.

              And gold keeps going down - not up like Wingnut Econ 101 says it should. Damn gold is down about $300/oz since Biden was sworn in.

              I am beginning to think Wingnut Econ 101 is a load of shit - just like their other stupid theories.

              Who will defend Wingnut Econ 101?

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                Democrats bad. Democrats cause all bad things. If you disagree then you voted for Biden! You wanted this! Prove you didn't vote for Biden! You proved you did by running cover for Democrats! You're the problem! Kill yourself and make the world a better place! Aaaauuugghhh!

                did I do that right?

              2. Sevo   3 years ago

                turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

              3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                You won't as you failed Econ 101 a long time ago.

                1. Nelson   3 years ago

                  Econ 101 is microeconomics. You mean Econ 102, macroeconomics. Easy mistake to make if you never took either.

            2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Also, Putin totally wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if Trump were President. It’s a fact!

              1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                Cite?

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                I've seen that many times.

              3. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Did he invade Ukraine during trump? Your defense of Biden seems as if Biden is powerless. Guess you have to rationalize your voting preference somehow. Weird putin did it under Obama and Biden.

            3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Also, withdrawal from Afghanistan would have been 100% glitch-free if Trump were President. It's a fact!

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                Regardless, it wouldn't have been so fucked up it made Saigon look like an organized retreat.

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                I've read things that suggest Trump accelerated the evac while a lame duck to make Biden look bad. What's a few soldiers' lives if it scores political points, right?

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                  Trump was already trying to get them out as fast as possible--if you recall, Liz Cheney and Jason Crow specifically worked to get funding nuked to do so because of bogus intel reports about "Russian bounties." Their argument was that because the Russians supposedly had bounties on American troops in Afghanistan, it was important to keep them in-country for their safety, or something.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                    Also, at least the Taliban lived up to their end of the deal and were good boiz while the cease-fire was active. Once the April 1 deadline passed, that's when they started their offensive.

                2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  Who needs actual facts to debate when you can rely on whatifs from Mike and sarc.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    Who needs to discuss anything when you can attack the person who said it?

      2. Sevo   3 years ago

        "Worldwide Inflation is a non-issue as well..."

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      3. damikesc   3 years ago

        You're aware inflation has caused total overthrow of political regimes throughout history, right?

        1923 German hyperinflation made Nazism possible.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago (edited)

          Right. So what is the solution for worldwide inflation?

          I said it “is a central bank induced deep recession. Or just wait it out.”

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            You posted kiddie porn and the proof is that the links have been scrubbed. That means you don't know anything about economics.

            1. Overt   3 years ago

              And you are defending a person who posted kiddy porn, just because he says things you like about economics. How interesting.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                Shouldn't you be at a troll convention where you get together and trade notes on how to attack people personally when you can't refute what they say?

                1. Overt   3 years ago

                  Do you actually know what a troll is Sarc?

                  Here is a hint. Trolls are people who post provocative content in an attempt to get other people to reply in a never ending thread of shit. Like when you go to EVERY single article and post YET ANOTHER iteration of the "Here is my impression of the mean girls that I totally don't like spending hour after hour arguing with". That's trolling. You have nothing to say. You are just trying to light that bat signal so they will come in and reply to you. Again. For over 2 years.

                  On the other hand, my boilerplate has one purpose. It isn't to elicit responses (Trolling). It is to encourage people to shun an identity that traffics in kiddy porn. Because I don't believe that it is a good idea for libertarians to engage with people who traffic in the abuse of children. As my boilerplate says, SPB could abandon that identity today and go to one of those other dozen alt-IDs, and he'd get plenty of arguments on the merits from me. But he wants people to take seriously a trafficker in kiddy porn, and that is beyond the pale.

                  Now if you believe that there is nothing wrong with tolerating such delinquents in your circle of conversation, that's fine, I guess. Make that case. But try to actually make a cogent case instead of "I don't like what you say so you're a troll, and I like what SPB says so obviously people are being unfair to him". It doesn't look good- even for you.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    I'm sorry. I said "troll" when I suppose I should have said "bully."

                    Unless you have a better word for people who attack others for things they didn't say, put words in their mouths, call them names, bring up irrelevant shit from the past, all in an effort to dodge what the person has to say while scoring points fellow losers on the internet.

                    Got a word for that? Right now my word for it is "you."

                    1. Overt   3 years ago (edited)

                      Did I put words in your mouth? Or cite something you didn’t say? I apologize and would happily correct the record. It’s terribly difficult to tell what you mean sometimes.

                      Because what I read indicated that you were using sarcasm to negate the premise “SPB posted kiddy porn, so we don’t need to listen to his economic views” to mean, “we should not hold his kiddy porn trafficking against him since his economic views are worth considering”.

                      I mean, I get it. I could have misinterpreted your sarcasm (which, you know…really seems like you making up the statements of other people, or “putting words in their mouths”). So feel free to correct the record.

                    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                      … people who attack others for things they didn’t say, put words in their mouths, call them names,

                      That’s you, sarc.

                    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Did I put words in your mouth?

                      Yep. "you are defending a person who posted kiddy porn, just because he says things you like about economics. How interesting."

                      Get back to being a thoughtful commenter instead of an asshole trying to impress men with the maturity of teenage girls.

                    4. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Don't look at me! 1 hour ago
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                      … people who attack others for things they didn’t say, put words in their mouths, call them names,

                      That’s you, sarc.

                      translation: sarc asking people to stop lying and attacking him for things he didn't say is a mean and hurtful attack on those people who are lying and attacking him for things he didn't say! They're the real victims!

                2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                  For a Halloween scare there is a very real possibility that the most prolific posters here are really just ENB with 40 socks

                  1. Utkonos   3 years ago

                    Careful, you might just wake up in the middle of the night to find ENB standing over you with a syringe in her hand muttering “You dirty bird!”

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                For someone who pretends to be above the fray you're always ready to dish out personal attacks when you can't argue someone's point.

                You're just another piece of shit. Own it.

                1. Overt   3 years ago

                  Make me, Sarc. Please. I beg you.

                  Be the type of guy who will make a point and stand behind it, rather than hiding behind this "totally not serious but serious" parody you've become the last 2 years.

                  Until then, I won't be ashamed of pointing out your behavior. That isn't a personal attack, it is remarking on the lamentable behavior you are engaged in.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    You attack points I don't make and call me a liar when I say "I didn't say that."

                    That's not calling me out on my behavior.

                  2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    You just said I don't make a point. You want me to make a point and stand by it. Yet you insist I make points when you just said I do not, and you argue against these points you just acknowledged I didn't make.

                    That's why I say fuck you. You're just like JesseAz. Arguing against the voices in your head, not what I said.

                    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      This is amazing how you think i control other posters here instead of you realizing they all think you're a trolling asshole like I do lol.

                      I may have been the first to point it out constantly, but I wasn't the first to recognize it.

                      You also continue to say I lie about you when I quote your past statements. Youre full of shit and everyone sees it.

                      If you think people are misinterpreting what you say, and it is dozens of people, it is you are are not articulating your points. Don't blame others. It is your stupidity that is responsible. Your inability to argue intelligently.

                    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      You read things that are not there, and then say anyone who doesn't see it is a liar.

                      I'm not playing.

                      Fuck off.

                    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      I post your statements moron.

                      And when someone spends all his time defending or deflecting from the left it becomes a pattern for their intentions.

                      Youre too dumb to realize this though. You claim you hate both sides equally but I have had an open ask from you to show 5 times you've criticized Biden. You still can't do it. In any article critical of him you troll to attack the right or your perceived enemies.

                      Everyone here can see tour intent. It is the same as mikes and Jeff's.

                      Nobody here is as dumb as you 3. You trick nobody.

                    4. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

                      Once again, every sentence is a falsehood. I’m not taking the bait.

                      You want me to break down your comment, sentence by sentence, explaining how you are wrong, so you can call me a liar for disagreeing with what you claim I think.

                      Sorry Master Baiter. Not playing.

                    5. R Mac   3 years ago

                      He literally quotes you word for word, drunk ass.

                  3. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

                    I don’t go around saying “Overt believes this! JesseAz believes this! Mothers Lament believe this!” I don’t. I make generalizations, and then certain people take offense. That’s not my fault. The response is “sarc believes this! sarc thinks this! sarc wants this!” But I’m the troll?

                    Please...

                    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                      Poor sarc. Need a tissue?

                    2. Overt   3 years ago

                      "I don’t go around saying “Overt believes this! JesseAz believes this! Mothers Lament believe this!” I don’t. I make generalizations,"

                      Aw yes, we are back to this. Sarc uncharitably caricatures people's points. It is obvious that he is making these caricatures to undermine the argument. But the second you call foul, he is just making generalizations.

                      Ok, so I'll retract my statement about you and apologize Sarc. Since it is too late for me to edit, I'll just restate it as a "Generalization".

                      "Since you are making good economic sense, it doesn't matter if you have posted kiddy porn!"

                    3. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

                      You actually do those things all the time. You were doing it last week and refuse to cite examples. Meanwhile you demand citations from others of your posts which are provided. That is the difference. You lie about what you’ve said forcing others to save them off to show you lie constantly. Yet you feel free to make up bullshit others have not said constantly and not provide a cite. Yet those providing citations you call trolling despite it being a response from you lying about your past stances and YOU requesting citations. Grow up sarc.

                      A perfect example was you crying about a comment I made regarding alcoholism shrinking a brain. You thought it was about you and solely you without me replying to you or saying your name.

                      Yet you directly bring me up twice here claiming I do things without a single citation.

                      Youre full of shit.

                    4. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

                      As usual JesseAz posts a comment where every sentence is a deliberate falsehood. I used to take the bait and break it down, responding to it all, but that was when I was foolish enough to think he is remotely honest. Also I used to care. That was dumb of me. So now I don’t take the bait.

                      Keep scoring points with your friends.

                      Loser.

                    5. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Sarc uncharitably caricatures people’s points. It is obvious that he is making these caricatures to undermine the argument.

                      I make generalizations.

                      But the second you call foul, he is just making generalizations.

                      The second you take it personally, you mean.

                      Then you make it personal.

                    6. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      Cite one time you've disproven my posts lol. You never have you fucking retard. I just gave you an example from a few days ago and you already deny it. You can't help but lie. It is amazing to watch.

                      What piece of shit lies so freely about his own actions apparent to everyone? No wonder you think you're a victim. You've never done anything wrong. It is everyone else.

                      Grow the fuck up.

                    7. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      And here is the example I cited sarc.

                      https://reason.com/2022/10/27/fbi-reports-dubious-trend-of-rideshare-driver-kidnappings/?comments=true#comment-9764200

                      Now provide one single citation of you doing what you claim you do. Or even one doing what you claim I do.

                      Youre such a child.

                    8. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

                      Cite one time you’ve disproven my posts lol. You never have you fucking retard.

                      I got tired of that many months ago when you’d take something out of context or claim I meant the opposite of what I said or whatever bullshit, then call me a liar when I disagreed with the voices in your head.

                      Not playing anymore.

                      So go and have fun telling everyone what I think and why.

                      If anyone wants to know what I actually think, they can ask.

                      "They" of course excludes you. Why would you ask? You already know.

                    9. Overt   3 years ago

                      "I make generalizations."

                      You can call a pig a horse as much as you want, it just makes you look foolish. Nothing in your statement was a generalization. You were specific as to the evidence against SPB. You were specific in implying that people who do this only do so because they don't have other arguments.

                      Just as you don't know the definition of Troll, you also don't know the definition of generalization. When you go look it up, you should also read about projection as well.

          2. Sevo   3 years ago

            turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
            Fuck off and die, asshole.

          3. damikesc   3 years ago

            To fix US inflation --- stop spending trillions for no reason. That's a quick and easy fix.

  30. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Poll shows blacks oppose defunding the police

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      A small number of loud people don't represent the entire group? I never!

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Yep, because defunding the police also means that their neighborhoods get fewer police patrols and more gang members put right back on the street. They, like anyone else (shouldn't be a surprise there), want their neighborhoods to be safe to live in.

      1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

        It's like we're being forced to relive the early 90s again

  31. Sevo   3 years ago

    "Nearly Half of Voters Prefer Pro-Choice Candidates; 18 Percent Don't Care"

    Perhaps because overturning RvW really had no practical effect?

  32. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Ah, yes, conservatives: the ones who wanted to ban, scold, and censor all the fun out of everything. They were humorless, heartless, joyless, sexless — except for their bizarre obsession with policing what kind of sex everyone else was having in the privacy of his own home. Conservatism was Rudy Giuliani trying to shut down an art exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum on the grounds that it was “sick stuff.” It was Dan Quayle giving a campaign speech that condemned Murphy Brown, a fictional character, for having a fictional baby out of wedlock. It was some lemon-faced chaperone patrolling the dance floor at homecoming to make sure nobody’s hands were migrating buttward. It was my eighth-grade homeroom teacher, Mrs. Teitelbaum, calling my parents at home to report that she’d seen me doodling “satyric symbols” in the margins of my notebook.

    They're still conservatives, Kat. It's just that progressives have become social scolds as well.

    Liberals are not progressives.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Quit shitting up the thread, Sevo. It was nice when you disappeared for a couple of days.

        Go back to the Tenderloin soon.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Sevo's sentiments are something we all endorse, Pluggophile.

          Particularly ironic that you're calling him a threadshitter when you just posted a deliberate troll.

          Now why don't you fuck off and do something productive. like giving the kids in your basement some water or something.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            You all endorse a crazy old man with his pants down to his ankles yelling "Die lefty scum!" while he shakes his fist at every shadow that passes overhead.

            You have some strange idols.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              No we endorse Sevo. Not the weird strawman caricature you're trying to create.

            2. Overt   3 years ago

              There are many people in these comments, but it is vitally important that we listen to the one who was banned for posting kiddy porn.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                You know this for a fact how?

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

                  Because the thread still exists on the Wayback machine but not here at Reason.

                  And to quote Square=Circle:

                  “I remember when Buttplug did that, and like most, presumably, I did not click the link to confirm what it was, but I did take Buttplug at his word that that’s what it was, because what he did was post a link and say “look – this is a link to child porn” in the course of making a point about how easy it is to find illegal things on the internet. So it’s entirely possible that it wasn’t a link to child porn, because I doubt anyone actually clicked through to look at it, but Buttplug certainly, 100%, claimed that it was, and reason certainly reacted as though it was because they not only banned him but actually scrubbed his comments, which is something they haven’t done to anyone else, I don’t think, not even Mary Stack or Tulpa.”

                  https://reason.com/2022/09/15/national-abortion-ban-proposal-divides-republicans-excites-democrats/?comments=true#comment-9702694

                  But you know all this already, you little creep.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

                    Did you even read what you quoted? Assuming it is true, it’s saying the accused pedo posted a link to prove how easy it is to find gross shit on the internet, as opposed to sharing his deepest fantasies as you and your girlfriends incessantly claim.

                    That means that even if it is true, you’re an asshole. If it’s not true you’re a real asshole. Either way you’re an asshole.

                    That's just going by your own post.

                    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      That was Square=Circle's charitable interpretation. Not mine, retard.
                      Did you miss the italics and the quotes?

                      My view is that nobody, absolutely nobody, hunts for kiddie porn just to provide an example. All my years on the internet and I've never just happened to run across the stuff.
                      Buttplug was able to post it because he knew where to find it.

                      Have you ever "just accidentally" found child porn, sarc?

                    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

                      So wait, you’re saying that buttplug posted that to prove a point? And that’s ok?

                      So, SPB is Pete townshend? Wow.

                      Still sick.

                  2. Sevo   3 years ago

                    "...you little creep..."

                    "slimy pile of lefty shit" works well, too.

                  3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

                    It makes more sense now. I wasn’t around back then, but I wondered why buttplug never denies it. I assumed it was a mistake that he wouldn’t acknowledge, but if he posted it on purpose to prove a point and told everyone what it was, I guess denial is useless.

                    What a sick fuck.

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                Don't anyone dare go against THAT WHICH IS KNOWN. Proof? Who needs proof. IT IS KNOWN. That's what he did and while nobody here saw it IT IS KNOWN.

                Anyone who questions WHAT IS KNOWN supports WHAT IS KNOWN.

        2. Sevo   3 years ago (edited)

          "...It was nice when you disappeared for a couple of days..."

          turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      Eat shit, pedo.

    3. damikesc   3 years ago

      "Conservatism was Rudy Giuliani trying to shut down an art exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum on the grounds that it was “sick stuff.”"

      Removing government funding is not shutting down anything.

      And, just checking, she is less concerned about being tied to the movement trying to outlaw sex?

  33. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Biden’s DOJ finally got a legal slapdown for targeting a group opposed to mutilating kids

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Geez, why even bother wanting to be president and commandeering your own personal law enforcement corps?

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        Remember when Progressive complained about Nixon being corrupt and Reagan having dementia? Now, we get Obama who's 10x as corrupt as Nixon. Biden is 100x corrupt and 10x worse than Reagan.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          There are things you can bash Obama for, but corruption isn't one of them.

  34. Sevo   3 years ago

    And then:

    "..."For Democratic registered voters, abortion is the single most important issue (29%), essentially tied with the number who say inflation or the economy (28% together; 15% say inflation, 13% say the economy)," reports Ipsos..."

    So Ds are whistling past the cemetery regarding the economy, hoping others won't notice that droolin' Joe has fucked up the economy as he has everything else he's touched?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      How about for Democratic voters who actually work for a living?

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        that's not the base... lol

      2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        For the government?

  35. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

    Nearly Half of Voters Prefer Pro-Choice Candidates

    That's a weird way of saying that a majority of voters are not advocates of abortion.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      B-b-b-but nearly half... that's almost a majority.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        And it's the superior nearly half.

    2. jdgalt1   3 years ago

      If we're talking about candidates for federal office, that mostly shows that pro-choice voters are dumb. SCOTUS made it very clear in Dobbs that abortion is a states-rights issue and Congress can't touch it, except maybe to grant or deny federal funding for it.

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        You keep thinking that. It'll come as a shock when personal liberty ends up winning out over state force. There are plenty of ways that the federal government can justify a law protecting abortion. And most people support legal abortion with more allowances than just rape, incest, life of the mother, or a "heartbeat".

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          And most people support legal abortion with more allowances than just rape, incest, life of the mother, or a “heartbeat”.

          Funny how the scare quotes for that came up when the Molochian cult suddenly lost its sacrament.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            Call me crazy, but I believe that in order to have a heartbeat, you first have to have a heart.

            At 6 weeks, no fetus has a heart. That happens about a month later.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              Funny, I never mentioned an actual time period. But since you brought it up:

              Madison Women's Health: "Your first ultrasound is called the “dating” or “viability” ultrasound. It’s typically done between 7 and 8 weeks to verify your due date, to look for a fetal heartbeat, and to measure the length of the baby from “crown to rump.”

              Parents: "At this time, the embryo is tiny, and your uterus and fallopian tubes would be closer to your birth canal than to your abdomen, so a transvaginal ultrasound is clearest. This allows your provider to look for cardiac activity, forecast a due date, and check for multiples. It can also be used to screen for an ectopic pregnancy, a rare condition in which the fetus grows in the fallopian tube instead of the uterus."

              Web MD: "A first-trimester ultrasound is usually done 7 to 8 weeks from the first day of your last menstrual period, says Rebecca Jackson, MD, assistant professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the Sidney Kimmel Medical College at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia, PA. “The main thing is to confirm pregnancy dating to make sure we have an accurate due date, to make sure that we’re able to see the baby’s heartbeat, and to see if there’s one, or more than one, fetus.”

              Healthline: "Since it’s impossible to hear the baby’s heartbeat with human ears, you’ll need to use an ultrasound or fetal doppler to hear it. You may not hear the baby’s heartbeat at the first trimester ultrasound appointment, and that’s okay. It may be because you’re not far enough along in the pregnancy or the baby’s position. Sometimes the baby’s heartbeat can be detected as early as 5 to 6 weeks after conception. You can usually hear the heartbeat better closer to 10 weeks after gestation. The baby’s heartbeat should be about 140-170 beats per minute (bpm) at this point."

              Copperstate OBGYN: "Since it’s impossible to hear the baby’s heartbeat with human ears, you’ll need to use an ultrasound or fetal doppler to hear it. You may not hear the baby’s heartbeat at the first trimester ultrasound appointment, and that’s okay. It may be because you’re not far enough along in the pregnancy or the baby’s position. Sometimes the baby’s heartbeat can be detected as early as 5 to 6 weeks after conception. You can usually hear the heartbeat better closer to 10 weeks after gestation. The baby’s heartbeat should be about 140-170 beats per minute (bpm) at this point."

              Healthline; "Even though you can get a positive pregnancy test result roughly 2 weeks after conception, it can be a while until that tiny ball of cells demonstrates physical changes that confirm your pregnancy is progressing. Specifically, a healthcare professional will want to confirm that your fetus has a heartbeat — a clear sign that it’s alive.
              In some cases, a heartbeat may be detected as early as 6 weeks. When you have a positive pregnancy test, contact a physician or healthcare professional to see if you need to come in for an ultrasound."

              I realize it became fashionable to call it an "electrical impulse" because that fat cow flop Stacey Abrams said it while promoting abortion on demand up through the magic birth canal trip, but that's just cope. Claiming that a heart that isn't fully formed isn't actually a heart is just semantics, especially considering plenty of kids are born with physical deformities.

  36. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Diesel Fuel Crisis Worsens: Major Fuel Company Issues New Warning

    "Because conditions are rapidly devolving and market economics are changing significantly each day, Mansfield is moving to Alert Level 4 to address market volatility. Mansfield is also moving the Southeast to Code Red, requesting 72 hour notice for deliveries when possible to ensure fuel and freight can be secured at economical levels."

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Need more information and context…….

      1. Truthteller1   3 years ago

        Move the reply button

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      I'm glad I'm in the Midwest, near three refineries, but this is a major problem, and not just for heating oil or trucking. Trains also reply on diesel fuel. A lot of diesel fuel, as a locomotive may be filled with as much as 3,500 gallon in a fuel tank. I hope we don't have a situation whereby a train heads east (NS or CSX) and gets stuck there not being able to go west.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Duh, just get electric trains.

        1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

          Why can't we just put windmills on the trains?

          1. Sevo   3 years ago

            Or sails?!

        2. Utkonos   3 years ago

          I got a set once for Christmas…

      2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

        Or if they switch back to a coal train and have it go under a mountain pass causing the death of all on board. Or is atlas shrugged not allowed to be mention?

    3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      'Arry, Dart, and Sidney hardest hit

      /Thomas The Tank Engine

  37. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

    Brazil's Televangelized Trumpista MAGA-licking caudillo just got tossed out on his butt. This same guy lost to a Positive-Christian fascist Bush-puppet in 1990. The caudillo "capitalist" did a Herbert Hoover and confiscated every bank account in Brazil. Christianity's Collor was thrown out on his ass when prohibition-driven inflation reached Weimar German levels in 1992. Girl-bulliers beware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKcaVkdZmqU

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Say, Hank, what the fuck are you talking about?

      Also, you really get everything you know from CNN, huh?

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Brazil’s Televangelized Trumpista MAGA-licking caudillo just got tossed out on his butt.

      That is a nicely turned phrase.

      I am somewhat envious.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Don't jizz yourself over it, pedo.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Hank’s no child.

      2. Sevo   3 years ago

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      (yawn)

  38. Truthteller1   3 years ago

    Those numbers do not mean what ENB wants them to mean.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Hey, numbers are hard for girls!

  39. Sevo   3 years ago

    "What we know about the man who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband in his home on Friday."

    From the link:
    "...The suspect reportedly entered the Pelosis’ San Francisco home on Friday in search of the Speaker, who was in Washington, D.C., at the time, and shouted, “Where is Nancy? Where is Nancy?”
    The question is reminiscent of chants heard during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol as some rioters searched the halls for the Speaker. One rioter was sentenced to 60 days behind bars earlier this year for threatening to shoot Nancy Pelosi “in the friggin’ brain” during the insurrection..."

    First, that's spelled "protest", asshole.
    And then, do you need tiny hands to grasp at straws that thin?

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      And then, do you need tiny hands to grasp at straws that thin?

      She uses a proprietary adhesive crafted from the fingers of thousands of aborted fetuses. Kind of like a velcro.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      The link gets a lot wrong. "Where's Nancy?" was only said once, by Paul Pelosi, and then just to one of the cops. Gaear Grimsrud posted this article last night (and I reposted it above), and I'm very inclined to believe this chain of events presented.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20221029193056/https://www.smobserved.com/story/2022/10/29/news/the-awful-truth-paul-pelosi-was-drunk-again-and-in-a-dispute-with-a-male-prostitute-early-friday-morning/7191.html

      "How would (suspect Depape) have been able to break a window that without triggering an alarm? He didn't. The police broke the window to gain entry. There was only one hammer, and it belonged to Pelosi. And only ONE cop said he said "Where's Nancy?" None of the others said that he said that. Probably the police broke the window, in order to get in to conduct a wellness check. "

      A gay liaison gone bad is probably the most likely (Occam's razor and Hanlon's razor).

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Paul Pelosi is a super wealthy businessman in San Francisco. I'd be more surprised if he WASN'T gay.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          What’s the logic there? What does being wealthy have to do with being gay?

          1. damikesc   3 years ago

            The location is more the tell.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Many, many people in San Francisco are heterosexual.

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                No shit?

      2. Utkonos   3 years ago

        A gay liaison gone bad is probably the most likely (Occam’s razor and Hanlon’s razor).
        Ah, the Gay Blade!
        Z

    3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      One rioter was sentenced to 60 days behind bars earlier this year for threatening to shoot Nancy Pelosi “in the friggin’ brain” during the insurrection

      Threatened to shoot Nancy Pelosi "in the friggin' brain" despite not a single firearm being found on any of the protestors, and even the alleged ringleaders of the alleged insurrection admit to leaving their weapons in Virginia.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Further, what makes it a "threat"? If someone says "that bitch ought to be shot", is that a threat?
        The show trials of the protesters are getting horrible ratings and they stink, besides.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Don't you know that words are violence, and should be illegal? Put yourself in the fuzzy slippers of a safe-space puppy-clutching snowflake.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Um, I don't think you get 60 days for threatening to kill someone. But I'm no lawyer.

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          It's San Francisco.

      3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        So he is bragging about super human accuracy?

      4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

        “…. despite not a single firearm being found….”

        There was also a search for Nancy’s brain. They were 0 for 2.

  40. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Gypsy Taub Speaks! Pelosi Attacker’s Former ‘Life Partner’ Definitively Torpedoes the Media Narrative

  41. Sevo   3 years ago

    With a nod to ML

    "Supreme Court takes up race-conscious college admissions"
    [...]
    "The future of affirmative action in higher education is on the table as the Supreme Court wades into the admissions programs at the nation's oldest public and private universities.
    The justices are hearing arguments Monday in challenges to policies at the University of North Carolina and Harvard that consider race among many factors in evaluating applications for admission..."
    https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-takes-race-conscious-040623775.html

    Perhaps racist policies will be outlawed?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      What about anti-racist policies?

      1. Naime Bond   3 years ago

        If you petitioned the Court to hear a color blind merit based, equal protection being applied etc. policy e.g. an anti racist policy, there is no case and controversy for the Court to decide and they would not take up the case.

    2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      I'm really going back and forth on this. Not on how the court is going to decide, but my own feelings on what should be legal.
      I have two high-level thoughts on this.
      The first is that Harvard probably should legally be allowed to be racist, as much as I find that off-putting, as much as I find the current race obsession in general to off-putting (we are more race obsessed now then we were 20 years ago, I do see this as a move backwards though I know folks disagree). I just can't think why the government is able to force this on a private university. NC is different since Chapel Hill is a state school. I can't help but think the Civil Rights laws and the fact that they enshrined defined, protected groups in our nations laws has been a negative for our country.

      Second, I have increasing concern how much emphasis is put on elite institutions like Harvard. This might just be biased to who I read, but we focus a lot on these relatively small universities and institutions that are considered elite. They do happen to be very successful, but they're still a very small part of the nation. This is very true with Universities where we're obsessed that one school have some specific racial balance because if it does... peace will reign supreme in the nation? Something? Black people will all be happier? I don't think this is true and I think this is almost just an example of synecdoche in real life. The real problem is huge and amorphous, so people just fixate on Harvard and Princeton. It also probably helps that it's the universities these writers went to and live near.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        "...I just can’t think why the government is able to force this on a private university..."

        Not sure it's in that article, but they are included as a result of the schools taking federal money.
        If they stopped taking federal grants and student loan money, this action would have no effect on them.

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          I'm aware of that argument, and I'm always iffy about it. That's another way we've gotten into a pretty shitty situation nationally, which is the federal government throws around so much largess it has led to them having a say in so many things they'd be better to stay out of.

          We shall see, I trust the courts though.

          1. Overt   3 years ago (edited)

            From a libertarian perspective, here is the way I look at it.

            1) The government should not be interfering with the association between private parties, as you say.

            2) However, if the government IS going to do so, it needs to avoid being arbitrary about the matter. So if the government is going to say “Though shalt not discriminate based on race” then they cannot say they will ONLY enforce the law when it is discrimination against blacks, and asians can go pound sand.

            One of the big problems our expanding entitlement state has created is its ability to divide us against one another. Elites have no problem with drug laws because folks like Hunter Biden can photograph themselves smoking CRACK COCAINE and they go to rehab, while the same act would ruin the life of someone in the lower 20%. Kids get kicked out of school for drinking unless their parents are big donors, then they get a suspension. One protestor gets freed for firebombing a cop car, and another person gets brought up on attempted murder charges.

            This isn’t just about justice, it is also about the path out of this insanity. If this country consistently upheld all the laws on the books, there would be far, far more complaints about the amount of laws on the books.

            1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

              I'm increasingly conflicted on that, where I think the government if it is going to hand out money, should basically do it with as few caveats as possible. I do not think this is ever going to happen, but I think that this is a major way that the government has wiggled its way into everything.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        The real problem is huge and amorphous, so people just fixate on Harvard and Princeton. It also probably helps that it’s the universities these writers went to and live near.

        I think one of the issues here is that Unis like Harvard, Princeton (Columbia Law etc.) are a bit like California or the NYT. So goes Harvard, so goes everything else. A lot of other smaller institutions take cues from these more prestigious institutions on how to run their own.

        It is, in the end, how obscure racist dogma such as CRT (and critical theories in general) spread out like wildfire into other institutions and then eventually into the wider public. And that's just one example.

        Just as good ideas can spread, bad ideas can spread as well.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Plus, it’s where most of the people that have decided they get to run our lives go.

      3. Nelson   3 years ago

        "so people just fixate on Harvard and Princeton. It also probably helps that it’s the universities these writers went to and live near."

        I think its probably more about the power of those degrees. If you have a university that rejects 95% of applicants (and whose average applicant is an auto-accept at most other colleges), it says something to employers. Not just for your first job, but throughout your carreer.

        Hell even if you never graduated people know how hard it was to get in and convince themselves that they are the ones who will unlock all that unrealized potential. Kind of like how first-round quarterbacks can always get a job and a chance to start even if they have never performed on the field.

        So elite universities are a focus because they have an outsized impact on employability. Graduate from a school that is perennially in the top 50 and you will have a lot more employment options (or graduate school/law school/med school/etc. options).

        All else being equal if its a Yale grad and an Ol' Miss grad (somewhere other than Missabama), who do you think is getting the nod?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Hell even if you never graduated people know how hard it was to get in and convince themselves that they are the ones who will unlock all that unrealized potential.

          People like John Fetterman, David Hogg, and Jaron Bloshinsky are getting in to Harvard these days. The Ivies are nothing more than a bunch of hedge funds that run universities as a side gig, and it's been showing for probably the last 20 years or so in the quality of their graduates.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            Right. They keep turning out highly intelligent, highly educated, highly successful alums by accident. People who can get in to some pretty good colleges can't make the cut at MIT or Stanford or Princeton.

            You may not like some of the people who have gone to some of these elite universities, but they have no need to let in people who can't handle the work. And if they let in a bunch of substandard people, they wouldn't remain on top.

            Your bias is showing. You think naming people you hate and insinuating that they are stupid is strong evidence against these schools? That's dumb.

            Fetterman went to Albright and got an MBA from UConn before he got a masters from Harvard. He went there long before he was lieutenant governor of PA. What exactly was so enticing about the not-yet-mayor of a tiny PA town that caused Harvard to let in a substandard student? His height?

            Hogg had a 4.2 GPA (granted, from a Florida high school, but that's still close to a 4.0 in a state with a good school system) and 1270 SATs. He took AP classes in high school. He ticks all the boxes for a high-performing student.

            I don't know who Jaron Bloshinski is, but I'm sure he is equally qualified. These schools take their reputation seriously. They aren't going to piss it away by lowering their standards.

            On the one hand we have your opinion which, from reading your comments over the past year or so, leans strongly toward flawed thinking (some is probably willful ignorance, but it all can't be ideologically-based blindness). On the other hand we have (in Harvard's case) over 350 years of excellence. Which is more compelling?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              Right. They keep turning out highly intelligent, highly educated, highly successful alums by accident.

              LOL, no they're not. They're turning out people with a credential.

              You may not like some of the people who have gone to some of these elite universities, but they have no need to let in people who can’t handle the work. And if they let in a bunch of substandard people, they wouldn’t remain on top.

              This is sheer question-begging.

              Fetterman went to Albright and got an MBA from UConn before he got a masters from Harvard. He went there long before he was lieutenant governor of PA. What exactly was so enticing about the not-yet-mayor of a tiny PA town that caused Harvard to let in a substandard student? His height?

              His politics.

              Hogg had a 4.2 GPA (granted, from a Florida high school, but that’s still close to a 4.0 in a state with a good school system) and 1270 SATs. He took AP classes in high school. He ticks all the boxes for a high-performing student.

              As a white male, he never would have gotten into Harvard if he hadn't been pushing gun control on the national stage. His admission had nothing to do with his academics, and judging by his tweeting output, he's one stupid motherfucker.

              I don’t know who Jaron Bloshinski is, but I’m sure he is equally qualified.

              No, he's a mental basket case who trooned out and then blew up to the size of a whale. There's a whole TV show on him called "I am Jazz."

              On the one hand we have your opinion which, from reading your comments over the past year or so, leans strongly toward flawed thinking (some is probably willful ignorance, but it all can’t be ideologically-based blindness). On the other hand we have (in Harvard’s case) over 350 years of excellence. Which is more compelling?

              On the one hand, we have a sclerotic institution that turns out overeducated idiots, and is an intellectual shadow of what it was even 50 years ago. On the other hand, well, there isn't one.

  42. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Pro-transgender activists eat pages from Bible to protest Matt Walsh appearance at University of Wisconsin

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Ok, let them. They might need the extra fiber in their diets.

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        is eating Leviticus doubly-not-kosher?

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Eat pages from the bible? I don't get it. What's that supposed to even mean?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Place in mouth, chew, swallow. Maybe they need fiber?

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        They wanted to burn it, but they're probably not the sort to ever let food go to waste.

      3. Nelson   3 years ago

        Maybe it's printed on wafer paper? Kind of like the candy cigarettes of the literary world?

        Or they could be really hungry. But paper cuts hurt on your finger, how much would they hurt in your throat?

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      In another video, protesters are filmed screaming into megaphones that white people are “f–king racist” and that they were there to “collectively chase Nazis off the U-W campus.”

      And these people screaming into megaphones were lily white and acting like Nazis.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Isn’t it racist to ascribe a characteristic to people due to skin color?

        1. Truthteller1   3 years ago

          Move the reply button

    4. Dillinger   3 years ago

      that pink-haired thing looks like it eats just about anything put in front of it

    5. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      Let's see what other weird shit we can get them to eat in the name of social justice.

    6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Meh. Did they glue themselves to anything?

  43. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Dems Pounce on ‘Report’ About Ron DeSantis and Clarence Thomas That Turned out to Be Fake News

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      "The problem, however, is that the DeSantis/Thomas lunch actually happened on June 23, 2021, not June 23, 2022, as DeSantis’ deputy press secretary Jeremy Redfern helpfully pointed out to Garcia"

      Apparently numbers are hard for Democrats and girls.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        And even if it were correct, it doesn't even really make sense either. A "two people I don't like ate food" story.

        Months and months of leaked SCOTUS opinion prior to the decision and Thomas was the one on the fence until DeSantis showed up and bought him a sandwich?

        1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

          Yeah, that's a retarded take even if he didn't get the dates wrong. It's not like Justice Thomas has been coy about his views on Roe or anything.

          1. JasonT20   3 years ago

            I can say on that issue and on those cases I have no agenda. I have an open mind, and I can function strongly as a judge.

            That is one of the things he said regarding abortion during his confirmation hearings. You can watch a compilation of his answers to questions about Roe here.

            It's not like Justice Thomas has been coy about his views on Roe or anything.

            I'd say that he was very coy during his confirmation hearings. As were all of the conservative Justices that voted to overturn Roe.

            1. Sevo   3 years ago

              ^ This is the slimy pile of lefty shit defending murder:

              JasonT20
              February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
              “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”

              Eat shit and die, asshole.

            2. Dillinger   3 years ago

              >>during his confirmation hearings

              ya. and 35 years later he functioned strongly as a judge

              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

                Conservatives don’t get to “evolve” on an issue like O did on gay marriage.

            3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              It's not much of an agenda to hand abortion back to the states. You people are insane.

              1. Nelson   3 years ago

                It's an agenda when you take the choice away from the individual and give it to the state. Pre-Dobbs the decision about abortion belonged (mostly) to people. Now it's decided by the state.

                Tell me again how you feel about big government?

                1. damikesc   3 years ago

                  "Pre-Dobbs the decision about abortion belonged (mostly) to people."

                  No. It belonged to the courts alone. As un-democratic a solution as humanly possible. Now, it is up to the states where you have a far larger voice in it than you did when the SCOTUS was in charge of it.

                  1. Nelson   3 years ago

                    "No. It belonged to the courts alone."

                    Really? The courts forced people to have abortions? I feel like that would have been reported heavily if it happened.

                    When SCOTUS was "in charge" of it, the only voice that mattered was the individual's. Even with the idiocy of mandatory ultrasounds, waiting periods, and other intrusions into the decision, the individual had control of their medical decisions and the state couldn't interfere.

                    Now the state can and does. The government is making medical decisions for people. That is what you support. More government, not less.

                    "As un-democratic a solution as humanly possible."

                    It was the most democratic solution humanly possible. There was only one vote that counted, the individual who it was happening to.

                    You may be comfortable with outsourcing your medical care to the voting public, but reasonable people don't thinkntheir healthcare is subject to your vote.

                    "Now, it is up to the states where you have a far larger voice in it than you did when the SCOTUS was in charge of it."

                    You obviously suck at math. Pre-Dobbs, 100% of the vote was owned by the individual making the choice about their own life. Post-Dobbs, in the best case scenario (Wyoming) it's 1/576,851, or .0000017%.

                    I know that this tortured, irrational talking point is grasped onto by every authoritarian culture warrior, but it doesn't pass the smell test. It's a joke, just like the people saying it with a straight face are.

    2. Super Scary   3 years ago

      That just means they've been colluding for a year and a day! Those fiends! They should both be subpoenaed by the Jan 6th committee to answer for their crimes!

  44. NoVaNick   3 years ago

    So when the democrats lose the midterms, will progtards start moving to Brazil? We can hope

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      About as many progressives as moved to Canada when Trump was elected or left Twitter when Elon Musk bought it.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Please god, no! I do not want to see Brazilian beach scenes filled with chubby transgender types wearing teeny bikinis.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Their pale hides now forming fluid-filled blisters and welts from the sun.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Shit. That's a nauseating image you just put in my brain. That was not kind.

  45. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>Nearly Half

    you realize how votes work, yo?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      We almost won!

    2. Nelson   3 years ago

      Yes. In an election in which no one gets a majority, the winner is said to have won a plurality of votes, assuming there isn't an automatic-runoff law in place. They still beat the one that got 18%.

      If your argument is that the one that kicked your ass didn't kick it hard enough to draw any conclusions, you are grasping at straws.

  46. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

    Biden gets a fact-check from Twitter on his Inflation Reduction Act

    LOL. Go, Elon!

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      The provision in the Act that allows Medicare to get volume discounts on prescription drugs might reduce inflation .0000001% in a couple of years.

      So there is a tiny grain of truth to the "reduction" part. Negligible almost.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        No, it will not.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Look at how many fact checks Trump had, Biden only had one! He so so much better!

  47. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

    No section 230 in Euroland,

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/europe-prepares-to-rewrite-the-rules-of-the-internet/

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Soon: “Why is everyone on the dark web”?

    2. damikesc   3 years ago

      No First Amendment either. That might be the bigger issue.

  48. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>virtual clinic abortions

    like they walk you through it on zoom?

    1. Nelson   3 years ago

      Whatever it takes to give the middle finger to anti-abortionists. As long as it's legal, it should be done.

      Next step*: authoritarians, angered by the fact that people keep doing what they want instead of what the reatrictionists want, pass more laws infringing on people's rights to medical decision-making and freedom of movement.

      *already in process in some states

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  50. Cronut   3 years ago

    "The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward."

    https://twitter.com/ProfEmilyOster/status/1587032027307679744?s=20&t=E4PcCBfoaxI81MbuPCE4SA

    No. Fuck you.

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      What difference, at this point, does it make?

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Jacob Patton@BlazingSky2
      Replying to @ProfEmilyOster and @TheAtlantic

      My mother languished in a nursing home being barred from any visits from her loved ones. She still got covid anyway.

      That wasn't what killed her. Loneliness killed her. By the time I could see her, the damage was done. It was too late.

      Apologize to her urn and we can talk.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        carolyn tackett?
        @CarolsCloset
        Replying to
        @HollyBriden

        @ProfEmilyOster
        and
        @TheAtlantic
        Dementia had turned my mother into this sweet little girl with the mental/emotional capacity of a six year old. They took her from an environment she knew, and people she loved, and put her in a Covid wing where she curled up into a fetal position and died. They murdered my Mom.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          Mistakes were made. It was all just a big misunderstanding.

          1. jdgalt1   3 years ago

            "Was?" The deadly so-called vaccines are not only still being marketed, but forced on kids. Stop that and then we can talk about how many people like Governor Cuomo have to go on trial for thousands of counts of murder.

            And of course Fauci, for funding the Biological Warfare R&D effort that deliberately created the disease.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Paul was being sarcastic.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Wha... holy... fucking... shit.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      I don't have a problem using history to make informed decisions, because "he who doesn't learn from history is doomed to repeat it" is a stupid fucking phrase.

      But this is clearly someone who is a reformed Branch Covidian trying to deflect from her side's petty, rejection-obsessed behavior, while exercising a blatant double standard for the Fentanyl Floyd riots--particularly the goddamned sacks of shit in the medical industry who said that doing so was critical to ensuring public health.

      This is what happens with the left--when they think they're in charge, they promote the most blatant power abuses they can, and when the counterrevolution takes place, they adopt the most disgusting, contemptible, obsequious pose--"We have to stop making things so personal!", hoping you won't push their shit in.

      No, fuck you--you said the "personal is political," you don't get to walk that back when the blowback to your power-mongering happens. You deserve everything bad that happens to you and them some.

      1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        Except she's an unreformed branch COVIDian who still insists on vaccination against it for school. She just wants there to be no consequences for being wrong, ignoring any science for political talking points and wishing to maximize the pain on others that didn't agree with her.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          And that's the problem--she wants a cease-fire so her side can continue their bullshit unmolested.

          Fuck that. These people need to be trashed and clowned on for eternity. They aren't fellow Americans, they're the enemy.

        2. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          She might be high enough up the ladder that she was actually paid.

          https://newspunch.com/bidens-hhs-and-cdc-paid-screen-writers-and-comedians-to-mock-the-unvaccinated/

          The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have been exposed running the most disturbing and elaborate propaganda campaign in living memory. Screen writers, comedians, influencers and church leaders, among others, were recruited and paid to promote Covid-19 vaccines to the masses, while ridiculing and shaming those who refuse the jab.

      2. Nelson   3 years ago

        "a reformed Branch Covidian"

        Most of your screed was an unhinged, delusional conspiracy rant. But that was laugh-out-loud funny!

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          No, it was 100 percent accurate. And you're right there with them as people who deserve to get punched in the mouth until your all your teeth are gone.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            Well you're obviously a rational, sane person with no anger issues whatsoever.

            Wait, didn't you hit Paul Pelosi with a hammer the other day?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              No, but you certainly deserve a maul to the skull.

    5. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      I'm willing to forgive, but forgiveness requires contrition and change. We need to see action to confirm what happened or not, and put in place systems to make sure things don't play out like this once more.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago (edited)

        It’s not like the… um… “mistakes and misunderstandings” are behind us. There are highly respected people still being run out of public life to this day.

        I was terminated as the Editor-In-Chief of Cardiorenal Medicine and Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine after years of service and rising impact factors. There was no phone call, no board meeting, no due process. Just e-mails or certified letters. Powerful dark forces are working in academic medicine to expunge any resistance to the vax.

        Yesterday I was stripped of my board certifications in Internal Medicine and Cardiology after decades of perfect clinical performance, board scores, and hundreds of peer reviewed publications.

        None of this will stop until there is a “needle in every arm.”

        The publication’s statement on McCullough:

        Dr. Peter A. McCullough has been serving as one of co-editors of Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine (RCM) during the year 2009–2018. He took the the Editor-in-Chief role of RCM from 2019 to March 2022. RCM has achieved a lot with the great assistance from Dr. Peter A. McCullough, especially during his term of office as the Editor-in-Chief, and we had an eminent cooperation with him. Our authors were from 53 countries by the year of 2021. Now it becomes a truly international publication. Besides, impact factor of RCM increased to 2.930 (2020 JCR report) from 0.4, and an estimated impact factor of 2021 should be even higher than 3. We are looking forward to the release of new impact factor this summer and would like to serve more scholars from all over the world.

        However, much to our regret, Dr. Peter A. McCullough stepped down from his Editor-in-Chief role in the journal last week as his term of office was ended in early March. On behalf of the journal publisher, IMR Press, and all the Editorial Board members of RCM, we gratefully acknowledge Dr. Peter A. McCullough’s continued time and efforts on the journal development. The journal could not achieve such a great success without his help. We wish him and his family all the best.

        Sorry, there’s no Amnesty to be extended here. The only thing that will ever satisfy me is Nuremberg trials for every major player involved. Including the heads of the tech companies.

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          I would agree. Forgiveness requires some reflection and contrition. Someone linked this old blog this weekend:
          https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

          The main point they linked it for was the ingroup/outgroup discussion but it's relevant here for it's first paragraph discussing the concept of forgiveness. Plus, it quotes Chesterton, which is always a good place to start.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            Though, ultimately, forgiveness is individual. So, the analogy breaks down a bit. The Doctor linked above seems to not be showing that contrition here though.

            1. Dillinger   3 years ago

              >>forgiveness is individual

              if the Karen Army had any concept of the individual it wouldn't have existed.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              Forgiveness can also be extended, but that doesn't mean trust has to go along with it. One can forgive someone for being evil, but that doesn't mean you're subsequently obligated to break bread with them, at least until they've demonstrated true contrition.

              This woman isn't actually contrite, she's just in the bargaining phase that evil-doers always attempt when they can't run from reality anymore.

        2. jdgalt1   3 years ago

          +1000

    6. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Jail for these fuckers.

      1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        Give them the needle, just not the one they demand.

  51. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    • What we know about the man who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband in his home on Friday.

    I skimmed the article. I feel the headline should be rewritten to say, "What we really choose to believe about the man who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband."

    I really have no axe to grind on this whole Pelosi thing, but from everything we're learning about Mr Madam Speaker is that he is to Nancy what Hunter is to Biden.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      some drunk Elite Dude gets the shit beat out of him by a trick and it's a week of wall-to-wall coverage ...

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      I have an ax to grind.

      They all immediately blamed Republicans for it, at the same time as muddying the waters on the facts. One of the MSM went as far as demanding that the GOP stop featuring Nancy Pelosi in their ads. If they had just shut the fuck up about it, it probably would have gone away quietly.

      1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

        Exactly. It was only blaming Republicans that started the whole thing off. Hillary Fucking Clinton got into the act!!!

    3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      A fuck buddy?

  52. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

    Man, did you guys hear about this Korean Halloween thing? 154 people crushed to death by people crowded together in an alley.

    Fucking bizarre. I thought it was going to be a bomb, or a stabbing spree, or even guns, but it appears to be the crowds we so big, 154 people were crushed to death. That is insane to me. This just adds to my belief that I should not go to cities.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      No, hadn't heard about this. I didn't know Halloween was a thing in Korea. My daughter is currently in Japan for school and I was asking her about Halloween in Japan and she said that it didn't seem to be a big thing-- although there were some events.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        I only just heard about it:
        https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/south-korea-halloween-crowd-surge-seoul-dead-injured-mourning-period-rcna54703

        It's insane. Literally people crushed to death from so many people in an alley near some night club district. Just bodies crushing each other due to so many people. Horrifying.

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Sounds like Stalin’s funeral

    2. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      It is the girl-bulliers' paradise! Overpopulation is exactly what crushes people to death faster than sleeping under bulldozers.

    3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      One of the most sought after suspects in this is a man in white rabbit ears reportedly seen pushing on the crowd imploring others to join him.

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

        Ultra MAGA strikes again.

  53. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago (edited)

    Just in case anyone still says:
    “Thar’s no sech thang as Christian Nationalism”
    or
    “I don’t know whut Christian Nationalism is, even though I’ve got that Cosmic Cube of human knowledge in muh shirt pocket, A-Huk-Yuk!”

    Texas pastor openly calls on ‘Christian nationalists’ to ‘impose their values on society’
    David Edwards October 30, 2022
    https://www.rawstory.com/robert-jeffress-christian-nationalists/

    Is the US a Christian nation? About half think it should be
    by CORY SMITH | The National DeskFriday, October 28th 2022
    https://local12.com/news/nation-world/is-the-us-a-christian-nation-about-half-think-it-should-be-christianity-religion-pew-research-center-survey-churches-politics-founding-fathers

    Thank The Void and The Founders that we are still officially a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy, whose governing documents mention nothing about Christianity or any other religion or God, and that there are more arms than people available to non-believers who seek to defend their Individual Rights!

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Texas pastor openly calls on ‘Christian nationalists’ to ‘impose their values on society’
      David Edwards

      WHO?!!

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        Check your pocket.... It's real easy...

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          While checking what Christian nationalism is, it would be worth also taking a peek at what “QAnon” is.

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

            WHO?!!

            1. Utkonos   3 years ago

              Any more of this Hu business and Comrade Xi will have you escorted off the premises!

          2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            You mean the 4chan meme the New York Times has been riding for five years?

            That's not actually real you know.

            1. jdgalt1   3 years ago (edited)

              It’s a real psy-op. And whoever has been running it is not the friend of the Right that he (or they) claims to be.

              My guess is he glows.

            2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

              Ol' Queen Didulo up where you are convinced a lot of very impressionale old folks that their utilities were free and that they didn't need to pay them. This may put them in the cold faster than the WEF-ers could even dream! She also welched out on a trailer dealer and thinks she can slum for free like a San Fran Sicko resident.

              QAnon sounds real enough to me.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                She's hardly part of any group. She's an indigenous mental patient who people follow for lulz.

                Just because someone says they're Spiderman doesn't mean that the Marvel universe is real. Same thing here.

            3. damikesc   3 years ago

              The NYT still thinks the OK sign is a white power thing. 4chan broke so many.

      2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        This.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      You fall for the dumbest shit sometimes, Encog.

      That's one Texas Pastor out of how many hundred thousands? You can't throw a rock without hitting a pastor in Texas.

      And he's not even saying anything bad:

      "(we) believe that we ought to use elections to help return our country to its Christian foundation."

      Not the democratic process!! The fascist!

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        I wonder if Mr. Atheist knows that the states had established churches for several decades after the Revolution, or that church attendance was in the 70% range after WW2 all the way up until 2000?

        To argue that, at the very least, Americans never had a cultural foundation tied to Christianity is mere obtuseness. Whether it should go back to being that is a different argument entirely.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Yes. We are a nation of Christians. We are not a Christian nation. By design, not by accident.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          Yes, I knew all that and the States did so illegitimately under Amendment 9, just as they did so with slavery and Jim Crow. There is no "State's right" to violate the rights of Individuals.

          And the number of believers still doesn't make the U.S. officially Christian or any other religion. The Founders would have clearly stated it in the Constitution if it were otherwise.

          By the way, much obliged on the appelation "Mister Atheist." We were and are the O.G. fighters against the O.G. Cathedral and every other house of worship seeking tyranny over the mind of man. We've been doing it since Neo-Reactionaries were somebody's accident and have done it more times than they have had Hot Pockets. 🙂

          By the way,

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Thanks for conceding the point.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        Look, ML, I'm tired of taking my Frog Togg jacket to the self-serve car wash to get the piss off the back of it! It is not raining no matter what you say!

        It's more than one Pastor or Church and no matter how he does it, by vote or diktat, if he wants Christianity to rule anywhere out side of his home or Church, he can jackboot his ass somewhere else!

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          If he does it democratically then it's the majority opinion. Better than a handful of rageaholic whingers dictating instead.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            See my response to JasonAZ below. Values by majority vote can come back to bite you.

        2. damikesc   3 years ago

          "It’s more than one Pastor or Church and no matter how he does it, by vote or diktat, if he wants Christianity to rule anywhere out side of his home or Church, he can jackboot his ass somewhere else!"

          So..."America, Love it or Leave It"?

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            If he wants to make America anything less than a free society, then yep!

      3. Nelson   3 years ago

        "Not the democratic process!! The fascist!"

        The Constitution gave us the First Amendment, which specifically protects us from being a Christian nation. The Founders knew what a threat threocracy was to freedom.

        Even through the democratic process, you can't impose Christianity of Americans. But cultural conservatives keep trying.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          It's already imposed you stupid twat. Did you think that modern liberal and humanistic values sprang into being ex nihlo?

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            Well a lot of the principles predate the Bible by a good bit, so it's not like Christianity made them up.

            Plus the Bible supports things like genocide, so I wouldn't go all-in on the whole "Christianity is the cornerstone of our culture" BS.

          2. Nelson   3 years ago

            Plus, of course, if American culture really was synonymous with Christian values, you wouldn't have to keep passing laws to force people to follow them. And you do have to pass laws to force people to follow them. Otherwise they stop doing it.

    3. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      Yawn. For somebody that doesn't believe in God, you sure let him live in your mind, rent free.

      Oh no, a pastor said something I don't like. New flash, our nation's values aren't defined by church folk or conservatives. The handmaid's tale isn't going to happen, unless the Muslim's take over.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        Yawn. For somebody that doesn’t believe in God, you sure let him live in your mind, rent free.

        Well, Theists sure don't shut the fuck up about God, so I have to reciprocate to stave back the frontiers of delusion.

        Oh no, a pastor said something I don’t like.

        No. it's not a matter of feelz. This Jack-Leg wants to use mob rule unlimited Democracy to make all of society hold to and live out his views of Christianity. Not cromulent with Libertarianism at all.

        New flash, our nation’s values aren’t defined by church folk or conservatives.

        You try telling the church hoardes that and see how far you get. And "Mister Conservative" Barry Goldwater didn't support The Religious Right either.

        The handmaid’s tale isn’t going to happen, unless the Muslim’s take over.

        Majority rule by Muslims is already happening in Hamatramck, Michigan. Same likewise in America's own no-go zones Holy Islamburg in the Katskills of New York and Holy Islamville near Clover, South Carolina.

        Be careful what you wish for when you support using Democratic majority rule to determine society's values. That majority can change fast.

    4. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      Hitler's platform specifically endorsed Positive Christianity. Hitler was himself raised Catholic, painted churches and Madonnas with Blonde Baby Jesuses and called on God, Christ, Christian values and Providence in his speeches more often than Billy Graham or Jimmy Swaggart. Hitler the Christian National Socialist was a poster-child for Lutheran faith and family-value collectivism.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        So true, Hank. Nazism was what Sociologists would call a Cargo Cult of de-Judaized Christianity and Norse Paganism and Eastern Occultism. Like the old Reese's ad would say, many bad tastes that taste worst together.

    5. R Mac   3 years ago

      So edgy.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        I don't get into cutting. If that's your tic, please do it alone or get help.

  54. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    "Nearly Half of Voters Prefer Pro-Choice Candidates; 18 Percent Don't Care"

    the desperation is palpable.

    1. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

      So, another redneck attack on the Capitol?

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Did this sound clever in your head, Hank?

  55. Utkonos   3 years ago

    Just wanted to wish everyone a Happy Halloween! You know who else managed to be rather frightful despite sporting a ridiculous costume?

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      About half the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

    2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      Hillary?

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        No, that's not a mask. It's her real face.

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          No it isn’t!

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            That's a fair point. Her face and Pamela Anderson's boobs are probably related.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      Other than dressing like Santy Claus at Christmastime, did Mister You Know Who Else ever dress out of uniform? Viking costume? Plaid pants on the golf course? Maybe a one-piece Popeye-style bathing suit? 🙂

  56. Liberty Lover   3 years ago (edited)

    But most don’t support late term, partial birth or any other unlimited abortion policies. Most think 12 weeks is a reasonable place to limit abortions, and fewer yet limiting it to 16 weeks. Also most support the morning after pill. (T)Reason.com falls down by not discussing these issues. It’s like most polls that have loaded questions and are interpreted for a desired outcome. Same here, it only scratches the surface of a very complicated subject where there could be many outcomes but only discusses two outcomes, and never mentions the radical liberal side, while pointing out the radical conservative side.

    How about this question: Do you support late term abortion where the mother is already in labor and the babies head is crowning? See a loaded question that will be easily interpreted for a desired outcome. Bullshit to just like the poll mentioned here.

    1. Nelson   3 years ago (edited)

      “But most don’t support late term, partial birth or any other unlimited abortion policies.”

      You are correct. Regardless of how hard cultural conservatives try to make it seem like almost every abortion is by irresponsible people at 40 weeks with the fetus screaming in pain as its skull is punctured and its brain is sucked out (and that all pro-choice people support it), that isn’t even a little bit true.

      15/16 weeks has significant support. 20 weeks has a plurality. Even 24 weeks has more people clearly in support than clearly in opposition, although there are more that aren’t sure than both of those.

      “never mentions the radical liberal side, while pointing out the radical conservative side.”

      Probably because the radical liberal side, while too extreme, allows for personal choice. The radical conservative side requires government intrusion into personal medical decisions. Most people are, rightly, uncomfortable with letting the state into their medical decisions.

      Also, a lot more people are moderate than either extreme and pro-choice ideals are more embraced than the pro-life ideals.

      “Bullshit to just like the poll mentioned here.”

      There are a number of reputable organizations that have been polling on abortion (with consistent language and questions) for decades. I agree with you. I find data over time to be more compelling than a single snapshot like this, since the former is insulated from the impact of the passions of the moment or the latest story/politician/lawsuit.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Probably because the radical liberal side, while too extreme, allows for personal choice.

        So? Parents can personally choose to molest their kids, that doesn't make it right.

        "Personal choice" is just a dumb shibboleth used by hedonists to justify their own deviance.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Personal choice and individual liberty are the cornerstones of libertarianism, along with minimizing the institution of government force against citizens.

          And the fact that you equate abortion (not at all evil) with sexual assault on children (very evil) says a lot about you. Your support of authoritarianism (as long as it's in support of your beliefs) says even more.

          None of it good.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Personal choice and individual liberty are the cornerstones of libertarianism, along with minimizing the institution of government force against citizens.

            So you're saying kiddie-diddling is a cornerstone of libertarianism? No wonder you and chemjeff sound so much alike.

            And the fact that you equate abortion (not at all evil) with sexual assault on children (very evil) says a lot about you.

            Don't get mad just because the inconsistencies in your solipsistic worldview were pointed out.

            Your support of authoritarianism (as long as it’s in support of your beliefs) says even more.

            As long as the left practices repressive tolerance, then they don't deserve mercy.

  57. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

    That Brazilian imitation of Marjorie Greene Teeth was hustling on the sidewalk and a dark-skinned voter told her to... er... get help from a proctologist. The Madschen nazi yelled back as the guy went his way, She then tripped over her own feet and fell. With conservative honesty she swore the Floyd guy 20 feet away had pushed her and sicced her Gestapo bodyguards at him with shots fired. Someone recorded the events and posted the video leaving the nazi bitch looking as awkward as Chauvin kneeling on someone's throat--especially when her candidate got whipped hours later.

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      “Marjorie Greene Teeth”

      Hahahahahahahahaha! You’re hilarious Hank Phillips!

  58. Kristian H.   3 years ago

    "nearly half prefer" => "most don't prefer." No bias in the headline at all.

    1. Nelson   3 years ago

      Nearly half prefer pro-choice. A third prefer pro-life. So how would you square that?

      "Most don't prefer pro-choice candidates, but a messload more don't prefer pro-life candidates"? Would that prevent your feelings from getting hurt by an accurate assessment of the acceptability of pro-choice cadidates that fails to mention the much, much lower acceptability of pro-life candidates?

      Or, if we're going for accuracy, "Most don't prefer pro-liberty candidates, but twice as many reject pro-government-intrusion candidates than prefer them".

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      But what do 9 out of ten dentists recommend? I need something to sink my teeth into here!

  59. Cyto   3 years ago

    Just days before the election, Lowder With Crowder has been removed from YouTube for unspecified violations. Their previous strike was for allowing Kari Lake to talk in an interview. During the show that got them banned, they promoted her return to the show in coming days.

    This is the candidate who is leading in the polls for governor of AZ.

    Meanwhile, a prominent Canadian libertarian adjacent lawyer and political gadfly got banned for questioning politifact's assertions about the Pelosi assault case.

    Are you still wondering why they went apoplectic about the possibility that someone would allow free speech online?

    Is anyone at Reason paying attention?

    1. Cyto   3 years ago

      Bonus, I have a reddit account that I only use for science news... specifically rocket launches but also related science stuff.

      No politics.

      Last week I was inundated with political stories, all negative hit pieces, all in one direction. It lasted a day.

      Today it was back. For about an hour..... nothing but negative political stories.

      Did you know that Stacy Abrahms has solid proof of widespread voter suppression? Apparently most news outlets do. There are also lots of racist plans being pushed by the evil party.

      So far, no such action by Google or YouTube. Still my normal nonsense.

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      “Is anyone at Reason paying attention?”

      Yes. They’re good with it.

    3. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      I mentioned it today while discussing the Intercept's leaked files (also Tulsi Gabbard mention!):

      https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/halloween-is-nothing-special-when

  60. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

    'Nationally representative sample of 729.' This is textbook composition fallacy, I understand that abortion is one of enb's axe's to grind, and w/ the midterm's not looking great for her team, making shit up is more common, but fuck's sake. Slade's piece was an ugly mess, in no way libertarian, and supportive of federal overreach. The repetition and conflation of 'republican' with 'support total abortion ban' is pathetic. The GOP has members who hold different views, unlike the righties in reasonmag's editors' heads.

  61. TJJ2000   3 years ago

    It's actually kind of sad that only 1/2 of Americans can honestly mind their own F'En business while another 1/4 doesn't care as long as their Liberty isn't on the line and the other 1/4 are all in favor of dictating every Women's pregnancy with [WE] mob democracy.

    This is a scenario in which the proposition doesn't even fit the concern. If you are concerned about a Women killing her unborn child then at least you can do is admit FETAL EJECTION addresses your concern. Instead of making up creatures in your imagination and using your imagination to side-step claim a crime was committed.

    But no....... As the polling shows. Over 1/2 of the People are either more than happy to dictate others PERSONAL life's with Gov-GUNS or really don't care if dictation goes on as long as it doesn't affect them specifically.

  62. Travis R   3 years ago

    Isn't reason supposed to be libertarian ?

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Yes.

      I'm sure they would be interested in your critique if you wish to share some details.

    2. Liberty Lover   3 years ago (edited)

      They claim to be, and actually used to be, but Reason was kicked off libertariannews.org/ because “it has been taken over by a bunch of commies?” Their words not mine. I agree they have totally lost libertarian principles here.
      The site libertariannews.org/ is a news aggregator that includes everything from libertarian views to right leaning news. Both political and economics.

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