New Jersey Brewery Sues State Over Outrageous Restrictions
The restrictions are clearly intended to crush breweries in order to protect restaurants.
A New Jersey brewery has sued the state over an expansive set of egregious new rules it adopted in July that are intended to protect restaurants—along with bars, grocers, and liquor stores—from competition. The suit was filed last week in New Jersey state court by the nonprofit Pacific Legal Foundation on behalf of Death of the Fox Brewing Company, a New Jersey craft brewery.
The rules, which could put many of the state's craft brewers out of business, are as awful as they are baseless. New Jersey's alcohol beverage control (ABC) board has been clear that they are neither designed nor intended to protect consumers in any way but, instead, to protect powerful, entrenched alcohol interests in the state.
In 2019, I noted in a column on the then-proposed rules, the ABC claimed the special ruling was intended to "strike a balance between the craft brewing industry and restaurants." That so-called "balance," I noted, appears to be dictated by the state's restaurant industry. "The state's powerful restaurant lobby… opposes 'any legislation that would relax the state's uniquely restrictive [brewery] rules.'"
In another column this past July, after the rules took effect, I explained that what the ABC really means by "balance" is that it wants to help restaurateurs and others who sell alcohol by harming small brewers. "Call that what you may—bad policy, protectionism, crony capitalism, or just plain bullshit," I wrote.
In that July column, I both dug and ripped into the "outrageous and asinine" rules and detailed they now require that every brewery:
- must require patrons take a detailed tour of that brewery before purchasing any alcohol for consumption on or off site. The tour may not include sampling beer. ("A licensee must provide such a tour prior to allowing any on-premise consumption, including but not limited to consumer sampling.")
- may not sell or serve food beyond trivial quantities of "water and single-serve, pre-packaged crackers, chips, nuts and similar snacks." A brewer also may not partner with one or more food trucks to offer food for sale on the premises.
- may not sell mixed drinks containing beer on the premises.
- may not offer either free drinks "as a gesture of good will" or discounted drinks.
- may not brew and sell coffee or may not sell any soda that is not produced at the brewery.
- may not host "'pop up' shops, bazaars, or craft shows."
- may not host more than 25 special events per year. Special events include live music, trivia nights, a "live-televised championship sporting event," or the showing of any television program—news, sports, movie, etc.—that the brewery markets via social media.
- may not hire an outside marketing company to assist with any special event.
No wonder breweries are already suffering under the new rules.
"We have seen a serious impact on our business since the rules were put into effect on July 1st," says Chuck Garrity, president of Death of the Fox Brewing in Clarksboro, in an email to me last week. Garrity, whose brewery lies across the Delaware River from Philadelphia and other cities in Pennsylvania, where breweries don't have to deal with New Jersey's odious, killjoy rules, notes his sales are down since the ruling took effect.*
"The state of New Jersey ABC is regulating entertainment, not alcohol," Garrity tells me. "They are attempting to [ruin] our customer's experience, by first forcing them to do a tour, and if they are a repeat customer ask for their personal information. They are also limiting our ability to give customers a great experience by having live music and events. It is just plain wrong."
That it is. The origins of the problem, I've explained, lie in the fact New Jersey caps the same liquor licenses it requires. By creating artificial scarcity, restaurants and others that want a liquor license now must pay up to a million dollars for that license. As a result, they push to protect what's "theirs" against the competition, even if the relevant part of what's theirs (a license) has no inherent value beyond the paper on which it's printed.
"ABC's rules are a transparent attempt to kneecap New Jersey's growing craft brewery industry in favor of bars, restaurants, and liquor stores," PLF attorney Caleb Trotter told me last week. "If the inherently unfair picking of winners and losers by the government wasn't enough, ABC failed to even follow the proper procedures in creating its rules, which leaves them invalid under New Jersey's Administrative Procedure Act. Finally, arbitrarily capping the number of events that breweries may advertise each year at 25 plainly violates the free speech protections of the New Jersey and U.S. Constitutions. We look forward to the courts righting this egregious attempt to limit economic opportunity and happiness in New Jersey."
I'll raise a glass to that.
*CORRECTION: The original article misstated the extent of the drop in sales.
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I regretted leaving the state but it was turning into a hellhole.
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They should move their brewery to Missouri.
Here in St. Louis, I have 4 micros and 1 macro within walking distance of my house. 2 of them have restaurants. They team up for art fairs and concerts and and even beer tastings – the last one they had beers from KC, Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc. alongside their own. It’s a lot of fun.
4 micros and 1macro? I had no idea Missouri was so aggressive!!
We’re very passionate about beer. And sausage. We’re like South Wisconsin.
A general rule of thumb for me is:
Do laws and regs and such favor the little guy or the bigger biz? There’s no such thing as a truly neutral law – so which way do the scales tip?
If the little guy, then imo the tendency leads to competition and free markets.
If the bigger biz, then towards cronyism and top-down decision making
A general rule of thumb for me is: fewer regulations = better. Do not rely on bureaucrats to favor anyone other than those who will keep them employed.
You base your opinion of regulations on if it affects your preferred group or not?
Regs should not favor anyone. Let the market decide.
Are you actually advocating that the right type of regulations, favoring the small business, is somehow libertarian? Or is it just preferable to you personally?
I think his point is that laws, in practice, are inherently non-neutral. If you begin with that as a starting point, the question becomes who are you more comfortable tipping the scales toward?
If you have large, powerful, and monied interests (like alcohol distributors here in Delaware or, apparently, restaurants in New Jersey), would you rather support restricting the big guy or the little guy?
I don’t know if I accept the premise, but if I have to choose I support more competition from new and small competitors.
The absence of laws/regs is also neither natural nor neutral. Nor does it bring about competition or free markets. Laws and regs are necessary for free markets to function. So, like it or not, gotta make self-governance function well.
“The absence of laws/regs is also neither natural nor neutral…”
JFree, still full of shit!
Yep, regulations are natural. Twist the language far enough and down = up.
So, you’re still a central planner. Got it.
a better rule of thumb is does the law or regulation actually have anything to do with public safety. if not, fuck off.
i can see the point of rules that keep people from getting sick. cleanliness standards, proper food storage temps, etc. yes, yes…. under a truly free market companies that get people sick tend to go out of business so those rules are not as necessary as many people think….. but i can at least see the point of the rules, and they tend to be rules the restaurants/bars/etc. want to follow. (I’ve never heard anyone say they felt oppressed because they couldn’t sell under-cooked pork.)
but these rules outlined here are completely absurd in ways that should be obvious to all. they can’t sell fucking soda? this actively prevents a group coming in with a designated driver….. it is a rule that deliberately damages public safety. that this can be ignored to discuss who the law hurts or helps more demonstrates just how far off the tracks government overreach has gotten….. they are violating the very principle that gives any law or regulation any legitimacy at all in the first place…..
Hey Peanuts isn’t this Biden economy amazing? It’s the beginning of the month and if you’re like me you get your financial statement around now. Your portfolio should be worth way more than it ever was in the terrible Trump economy. If it’s not the only explanation is your financial advisor is incompetent.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
Needz moar rig count.
Didn’t have the space to include every one of Mr. Buttplug’s #DefendBidenAtAllCosts tactics. But yes, rig count updates fall under what I call #DefendBidenAtAllCosts Category C — esoteric data points.
There is a difference (a rather large one) between the stock market and the economy. Your portfolio is not a reflection of the strength of the economy.
In fact, as the loose/free money policies we have had since 9/11 are finally tightened up (almost two decades to late), we will see more business failures, not less.
Businesses that were run poorly, but had access to free (or almost free) money to paper over their weakness and poor decisions will now have to be much more efficient or go out of business. And those skills don’t appear overnight.
It’s one of several things that will make for a better economy, long-term. Having bad businesses that can borrow their way out of their failures is not good for capitalism.
Capitalism requires competition and innovation to provide its benefits. It requires poorly-run businesses to fail. It requires winners and losers. We’re hopefully going to get back to that soon.
You’re replying to a parody account.
So I realize it’s the weekend but can Koch-funded libertarians produce a few anti-DeSantis articles today? Your benefactor Charles Koch desperately wants the GOP to return to its early 2000s Bush / Cheney / Frum / Kristol neocon era. And everything that hurts DeSantis helps Dick Cheney’s daughter.
#LizCheney2024
You know, the number of Hawley complaints have really plummeted here lately, thanks to DeathSantis hogging all the oxygen with evil stunts like sending illegals to haute bourgeoisie hellholes.
Can’t we just have a little article about how Hawley was rude to an earnest journolismist or something?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-rant-mitch-mcconnell-elaine-chao-b2188074.html
Trump unleashes on McConnell, even using a racist nickname against McConnell’s wife (and Trump’s former transportation secretary). Will McConnell defend his wife, or pull a Ted Cruz?
McConnell deserves every bit of scorn anyone can dump on him.
And his wife? Did she deserve a racial slur?
Should a former President, and candidate for President in 2024, being using slurs against Chinese-Americans?
Her family is from Taiwan. You think all Asian people are Chinese. Lol.
Nice try at a gotcha, but Taiwan’s people are 95% ethnically Han Chinese.
She is from Taiwan. Just because you are racist doesn’t make it right.
Please tell me you’ve never heard the term Taiwanese. Lol.
That doesn’t even make any sense as a response. You’re a moron.
You didnt call her Han. You called her Chinese. Her family is not from China. They are from Taiwan. You were being racist. And now you’re justifying it by saying genetically it is the same thing.
I mean sarc was pretty racist when he said there were no black Mexicans. Your responses here are on the same level.
She is Taiwanese. Her family is Taiwanese. They are not Chinese.
Han are Chinese.
Is that with Chinese or from Chinese?
Did you know there are black people in China?
Again. Her family is from Taiwan. Not China. Please go up to a Taiwanese person and call them Chinese. Lol.
And again, you didn’t call her Han. You called her Chinese.
Stop trying to defend your open racism.
https://theculturetrip.com/asia/china/articles/an-introduction-to-chinas-han-people/
You are a moron, JesseAz:
“The Han are the majority ethnic group in China, making up 92% of the mainland’s population.”
“ Is that with Chinese or from Chinese?”
Did you think that was a clever reply?
You keep reposting your same defense of racism as if it matters. I have not stated they aren’t Han. It doesn’t matter. You didnt call her Han. You called her Chinese.
Several of my best friends are of Taiwanese heritage. They call themselves Chinese all the time. It’s not considered an insult by Taiwanese people.
“You didnt call her Han. You called her Chinese.”
Why does that matter?
Did Mike just use the “i have minority friends” trope? Lol.
“Did Mike just use the “i have minority friends” trope? Lol.”
You might have had a real gotcha there if that were the only defense I gave, or if it were the first.
Her father was Chinese until he moved to Taiwan in 1949 during the Chinese Civil War.
Her mother was Chinese until she moved to Taiwan in 1949 during the Chinese Civil War.
In 1949, Taiwan was legally still Japanese but administered by Chiang Kai Sheks ROC/KMT. That changed in 1951 at which time Japan ceased to be the legal government but that treaty did not have EITHER China represented. We recognized the KMT as the de jure and de facto government of that island. But the KMT did not even recognize Taiwan as anything but a province of China until – well it STILL does say that it is the legitimate government of all of China and Taiwan is a province of China. And it ruled the island until 2016.
Elaine Chao is ethnically Chinese and by citizenship is American. Her only ‘Taiwaneseness’ is the eight years she spent there from her birth to emigrating to the US. Her surname is Chinese and SHE identifies as Chinese by ethnicity.
YOU are the racist apologist for Trump here. And as usual – a lying sack of shit moron who will always deny reality as long as it furthers your political objective
This is just pathetic coming from you.
The term “Chinese” has two meanings: one referring to a nationality, the other referring to an ethnicity.
Mike is clearly referring to the meaning corresponding to ethnicity. You know this, but you deliberately conflate the two meanings in order to manufacture a disagreement and call Mike names over it. This is, I believe, referred to as trolling.
You’re deliberately picking a fight on a comment board because you are a sad pathetic man.
And, true to form, Troll Mac the “Defender of Truth” is not calling you out on this obvious fraud that you are pulling. Gee I wonder why.
Oh. Mike called in reinforcements to weigh in and defend his open racism.
Jeff, did Mike call Elaine Chao Chinese or not? A yes or no will do.
The fact that he deflected to Han and knows about it proves his initial statement is wrong.
Lol.
I “called in reinforcements”?
Yeah, sure, I have chemjeff and JFree on speed dial.
This is a prime example of the JesseAz arguing in circles m.o. I addressed your stupid “Han” objection here:
https://reason.com/2022/10/01/new-jersey-brewery-sues-state-over-outrageous-restrictions/?comments=true#comment-9728402
Poor mike
Seems like “poor jesse” would be a more apropos response. He is the one who got schooled, especially by JFree.
The Han aren’t monolithically one ethnic group, White Mike. The Hoklo people are Taiwan’s largest ethnic group (70 per cent of the total population), whose ancestors migrated from the coastal southern Fujian region across the Taiwan Strait starting in the 17th century. The Hakka people originally from Guangdong are 15 per cent. The Waishengren, descendants of Chinese nationalists who fled to Taiwan the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949, are only 10%.
Anyway, perhaps you can explain how dubbing Elaine Chao “Coco Chow” is racist.
Is calling Mitt Romney “Mittens” racist? Is calling AOC “Occasional Cortex” racist?
You’re such a demagogic piece of shit, Mike.
Imagine how outraged Mike is over people calling Trump Drumf. So much racism.
What we see here is jeff and Mike quickly start shooting the leftist narrative of a headline without thought.
You misspelled drumpf, racist.
I am humbled. Forgive my racism.
It could be racist if “Drumpf” were actually an alternative way to spell “Trump”, and someone didn’t want to bother because their attitude is “what does it matter, all those people are the same.”
But that’s not what’s behind the misspelling of Trump.
Still not racist dummy. Lol.
Exactly. Spelling Trump
as Drumpf is satirical but not racist.
Mispelling a name is virtually never racist. Such as this case.
It is amazing how you take a headline as truth.
Imagine Mike stating all American Indians were the same thing.
You can imagine that if you like. It’s not something I would ever say.
The Han aren’t monolithically one ethnic group
But the Venezuelans are, right?
Ask Mike. He is the one asserting it dummy.
Actually, I’m not. Link to where I said any such thing.
The Chinese agree.
and candidate for President in 2024
Cite?
OK, fine. “Presumed candidate for President in 2024.”
Cite? His own “truth” from yesterday:
https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/109090560207884444
I thought they didn’t let you in.
He made a big deal about that.
Incidentally, is White Mike the only one here actually on Truth Social?
I had to wait about two months before my account sign up was processed.
Thats a long time so you can rage read.
Yes, it was a long time to wait to sarcastically and snidely read asshole Trump’s “truths”. No rage involved.
You just admitted you do it to rage.
You don’t understand the difference between being sarcastic and snide, and raging?
Sarc doesn’t understand sarcasm either.
Nice deflection to talking about someone who isn’t even present on this thread.
I mean, mcconnel has a lot of ties to China. He isnt a good person and is part of the corrupt state.
An inspector general overseeing the Transportation Department announced its findings in a 44-page report released on Wednesday. The report accused Chao of a dozen instances of using her office’s staff to conduct personal tasks and work related to promoting the Foremost Group, a New York-based shipping business owned by her father and sister. The business does extensive business within China, according to the Associated Press.
https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcconnells-wife-elaine-chao-abused-office-help-family-firm-china-business-watchdog-found-1573653
Mike is upset trump called out her ties to China. The article says this is bad because she is Taiwanese which matters not here as she was actually doing work with China.
But Mike loves a narrative over facts.
“Must immediately seek help and advise [sic] from his China loving wife, Coco Chow!”
Is this even a racial attack? I’ve never heard the term coco be racist. Even urban dictionary doesn’t say it. Could be wrong. Not a term I’m familiar with.
I see you are just as disingenuous as ever.
Trump wrote “Coco Chow” when her name is Chao. So, what does JesseAz do? Ignore the “Chow” and only talk about the “Coco” part.
How is that racist? A misspelling of a last name is now racist?
Digging deep here Mike.
Yes, an intentional misspelling is racist.
And don’t try to say it was an accidental misspelling. That would be arguably more embarrassing for Trump, considering she was in his administration.
“Yes, an intentional misspelling is racist.”
Go fuck yourself, you piece of demagogic trash. That’s not racism by any metric. Aren’t you embarrassed for claiming that?
He is not. Nor is he smart enough to come up with a competent reason it would be racist.
Cite on it being intentional? Chao and chow are both pronounced the same way. At best this is Trump calling her fat.
But the liberal headline told you what you should believe. Lol.
He doesn’t know how to spell the last name of a woman who was his transportation secretary?
Auto correct error .
Don’t you agree he is an idiot?
How is misspelling a name racist? You have yet to demonstrate how it is racist in any manner.
“Yes, an intentional misspelling is racist.”
So calling you Mike Liarson is racist?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Isn’t it truly awful that a politician uses public office for personal gain?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/09/04/trump-presidency-spawns-conflicts-of-interest-personal-profits-column/2197263001/
Trump lost money by being in office.
Cite?
So youre an idiot?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56438914
Trump lost money _during_ being in office is not the same as Trump lost money _by_ being in office.
It’s odd that you don’t get subtleties of reasoning like that when you don’t want to. Yet you do understand the difference between death _with_ COVID-19 vs death _from_ COVID-19, because you did want to understand.
WTF?
How about a cite that shows that he lost money as a direct consequence of holding the office of the Presidency?
What will you accept as qualifications? The boycots? The legal fees?
Isnt it on you to prove he made money politicking? At best you can point at him giving government service members discounted rates lower than other hotels in the area. But taking rooms at loss isn’t really making money.
It isnt like how the Obama made tens of millions. Joe biden flying his son around to make deals and increasing his net worth by 10 million right after his presidency.
Do you ever stop and think before typing?
I don’t believe I ever claimed Trump increased his total wealth by “politicking”.
I have claimed he has grifted lots of people with his “politicking”, making money. Have no idea whether he has come out ahead or behind in his total wealth, though. A lot of his grifting money is in PACs and other such soft funds that are technically his.
And when did I ever defend Obama or Biden making money via politics? I never have.
So defend your claim Mike. You still aren’t doing it. I showed he lost money. You’ve shown nothing.
https://reason.com/2022/10/01/new-jersey-brewery-sues-state-over-outrageous-restrictions/?comments=true#comment-9728459
So you demand evidence but provide none.
Sea lioning.
I didn’t ask for a cite. chemjeff did.
Rhetorical hijinks doesn’t change the fact that Trump lost money in office, by being in office, and because he was in office.
He and his family donated their salaries to the treasury and are currently being punished by your party’s political and corporate allies via lawfare and politically-coordinated corporatist ostracization.
Are you and Jeff on retarded pills this morning?
This is embarrassing for both of you.
Personal attacks aside, how about you provide a cite that shows that he lost money as a direct consequence of holding the office of the Presidency?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56438914
Mike, you made the claim he made profits off of his presidency. I showed you he lost money during it.
You have showed no evidence of your claims. You just keep changing the request like a regular ole sea lion.
Again, a link that shows that he lost money DURING his presidency but not BECAUSE of his presidency.
“Mike, you made the claim he made profits off of his presidency. I showed you he lost money during it.”
I did? Where?
I see a comment above where chemjeff made such a claim. Don’t see where I did.
Yes Mike. I showed he lost money as president. Is your assertion he would have lost net worth at the same levels if not president?
You have yet to show where he made money off his presidency. He lost money due to the reaction of his presidency dumb fuck.
Youre full on sea lion this morning.
I don’t need to show anything.
I never claimed he did or
did not gain or lose net wealth because of or during his being President. I wouldn’t know.
I did claim that you and Don’t look at me! have not provided the cite Jeff asked for, proving _your_ claim that he lost net worth _because_ of being President.
Or, putting it another way, you suck at logic, JesseAz.
Explain Mike.
Youre literally asking to prove a negative, that he did not make money off the presidency. And you refuse to admit he lost money as a reaction to his presidency. You have yet to show where he profited, and actual provable assertion.
So let’s try again. How did he make money Mike.
Actually, chemjeff asked you for a cite. You could have just said, “I cannot prove a negative.” But, instead, you provided a link that did not prove what you claimed it proved, and I called you out on it.
Yup Jesse knows exactly what he’s doing.
In his own article that he cited, they explain that the principal factor why Trump’s net worth went down was because of the difficulties in the commercial real estate market as a result of the pandemic.
Which proves he profited off the presidency how jeff? That is the limit you made.
He also lost money prior to the pandemic. I ask again. Are you retarded?
chemjeff asked for a cite on response to “Trump lost money by being in office.” That is not chemjeff’s claim, it is Don’t look at me!’s claim.
You really suck at making distinctions in your thinking.
“ Mike is upset trump called out her ties to China.”
Nope, I am offended (not “upset”) that be used a racist nickname instead of her actual name. My wife is of Chinese heritage, and my children are of half Chinese heritage.
Do you ever get anything right?
You so laciest it’s not funny.
I don’t care if YOU make a stupid Asian joke. I don’t care if Matt and Trey, or my buddy, or someone nobody on Twitter makes a stupid Asian joke.
It is unacceptable in a public statement made by a former, and possibly future, President of the United States.
Youre really reaching here.
Just be honest. You didn’t know about Chaos business dealings. Lol.
What? Her business dealings have no bearing on Trump’s using a racial slur against her.
It wasn’t a racial slur, you dishonest fuck.
What slur? Show me one other site that says misspelling Chao is considered a slur.
What the actual fuck?
It wasn’t a joke, just a misspelling.
He doesn’t know how to spell the name of a woman who held a high level position in his own Presidential administration?
Auto correct error? They sound the same.
Sure, whatever you need to believe.
The only one believing in nonsense is you Mike. You can’t even explain how intentionally misspelling a name is racist.
“He doesn’t know how to spell the name of a woman who held a high level position in his own Presidential administration?”
For context, it’s not like he forgot he recently attended a memorial service for a recently deceased congress critter then asked her to stand up and be recognized a couple weeks later. Dumb and dumber…Bidumb and Drumph. It gets worse every presidential term and the hairsplitting only distracts from the connivances of the uniparty.
How is misspelling a last name racist?
It is being dismissive about there being various ways of spelling Asian last names.
And French, Italian, German, Swedish, Irish and Finnish names. None of which are racist, even if done deliberately.
You better come up with a far better reason for calling it racist than that, Larzen.
The headline told him it was racist. Thats all he needed.
Your strange need to defend a cretin politician drives you to not see what is plainly true.
Liarson
Oops! Racist.
Reverse it. “Your strange need to make up attacks as racist.”
What is plainly true? I’m asking for one other example where a misspelling of a name, intentional or not, has been deemed racist.
You have yet to show any prior example outside of your headline you posted. Lol.
You have never spelled my name correctly you fucking racist
Barry O’Bama was a good Irish name.
Ms Chao is an American (naturalized), and the way she chooses to spell her last name in English rules, not the Chinese characters which can be transliterated various ways.
She was the first cabinet officer to resign over the Jan 6, 2921 events.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/533316-chao-resignation-letter-to-trump-but-after-yesterdays-events-at-the/
Trump relegated her to those who could be insulted for that reason. That it took a racist form (or not) was secondary to the offense against Drumpf worship.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read in a long time. Go ask an Italian, Greek, Nordic person how often their names are misspelled.
You really are a dumb fuck.
Takes some to misspell Elaine as Coco.
This is some funny shit Dee.
If he pulls a Ted Cruz and grovels at Trump’s knees, he’ll get plenty of scorn from me.
Oooh. I bet that means a lot.
You are the one that said he deserves scorn.
From important people.
You didn’t say that. Thanks for the after-the-fact clarification.
You deserve scorn from people at all levels of importance.
What if he has a fire extinguisher?
Is this you getting ahead of attacks on Pelosi for saying illegal immigrants should stay in Florida to pick crops?
Wow, four responses from Jesse. Trump must have really stepped in it if Jesse has to work so hard to carry his water and deflect on his behalf.
Yes. 4 posts pointing out how dumb Mike is. How ignorant his post was.
Your only contribution so far are weak ass attempts at an attack. Lol.
Hey, JesseAz, you are dumb and ignorant.
(Has as much substance as your calling me dumb and ignorant.)
To be fair, phony racism allegations are always exceptionally ignorant.
Except I posted the reasons why trump attacks her for Chinese ties you retarded fuck.
Which wasn’t a topic I brought up. You really do have trouble with fine distinctions in discussions and following topics of discussion.
We can only talk about the retarded stuff you want to talk about?
RACIST!
If he is claiming he is refuting some point I made.
You have yet to even defend your initial point. You claimed it was racist but can’t say how. Whereas I showed why he attacked her was based on her actual actions, not based on race.
You really are a dumb person Mike.
I said how. You disagree.
I think it’s racist to squawk like bird. Therefore Mike Liarson is racist.
Tooky bird not racist! – George, of Jungle
No, you brought up a headline calling something racist that has no backing for the claim.
I showed you why he made the attack. You have yet to show how misspelling a name is racist.
“you brought up a headline calling something racist”
“I showed you why he made the attack.”
Huh, you don’t realize why he made the attack was not the issue being discussed, so you responded with a non-sequitur.
Your claim is the name calling is racist. My counter claim based on actual evidence is it is due to her Chinese business dealing.
Please continue proving how dumb you are.
When you sat something is racist the motivation for that thing is racial. Showing the motivation is not race based changes that, no?
Having one motivation does not rule out other motivations.
I don’t even think Trump is a racist. I think it more likely he cynically uses racist dog whistles to appeal to certain right-wing low lifes.
Read about that this morning. It was a dumb thing for her to say. I’m not on Team Blue so I have no reason to defend her.
Nor did you feel the need to post about it, even though it was clearly racist, instead posting about Trump saying something not clearly racist.
Far be it for me to defend Dotard 1,, but how is “Coco” a racist slur? And what does “Coco” even mean? Could Trump just be Coo-Coo for Cocoa Puffs before breakfast and had a Freudian Slip?
In a word, “Cite?”. 🙂
I don’t even know what the he’ll he meant with the “Coco”. It’s his misspelling of his own former transportation secretary’s name as “Chow” that is offensive.
How? People mispell names all the time. Please show me one source that says spelling Chao as chow is racist.
You’ve said many times trump is an idiot. Please show this as a racial attack and him not just misspelling it.
Keep digging Mike.
I’m going to get offended and call people racist everyone they misspell my last name now. Lol.
His own transportation secretary’s name.
There is no way spell check fucked that up, right?
Even if it didn’t, Mike (and the Independent) are being deliberately disingenuous.
If Trump had called her “Chinky” or “Slant-eyes” that would have been racist. Fucking around with someone’s actual name is not.
If trump meant anything by it it was calling her fat lol.
Mike is just a fucking idiot.
It’s a possibility. Don’t see where he tried to make a correction.
Have you ever called him drumpf, or complained about those who did?
Have never called him that. Have not complained about those who did.
BUT THEY WERE BEING RACIST!
Have never called him that. Have not complained about those who did.
Then you are a hypocrite.
Like I care if you think I’m a hypocrite.
You’re not just a hypocrite, Mike, you’re an incarnation of hypocrisy. You’re hypocrisy made manifest in the form of a far left troll.
You said above it was plainly true. Which is it?
It is obviously true he misspelled her name on purpose.
She was his transportation secretary. The misspelled name was right next to the odd name calling, “Coco”. You yourself admit he was attacking her in his post.
Cite on it being intentional?
It’s my opinion, which you will never share since you have a deep need to bail out Trump’s asshole behavior, perhaps because you yourself are a major asshole.
So, here’s your cite:
https://reason.com/2022/10/01/new-jersey-brewery-sues-state-over-outrageous-restrictions/?comments=true#comment-9728437
Did you think that was a substantive response?
Yes.
Lol. Wow.
Add some substance Mike. Show why misspelling a name is racist.
This is just getting worse for you.
I did explain, but one of your specialties is endlessly repeating yourself and making circular arguments:
https://reason.com/2022/10/01/new-jersey-brewery-sues-state-over-outrageous-restrictions/?comments=true#comment-9728222
That doesn’t explain it. Can you try again. Use prior examples. It will help your claim.
Guys. No more calling him Mike Liarson. It is racist.
How so?
Lmao.
Did I win? I think I won.
It’s amazing that Dee’s TDS is actually getting worse.
Well, yeah. You always declare yourself the winner of commentariat debates.
It’s as meaningful as Putin’s annexation referendum votes.
Except your whole argument was based on intentional misspelling of a name is racist, then your response to a statement about an intentional misspelling of a name being racist was “How so?”
You’re a fucking idiot, we all laugh at you, and you carry on like the autistic shit weasel that you are, Dee.
OMG
Lol. I can’t help but laugh at the retard.
The best part is even jeff realized how stupid this attack was and tapped out leaving Mike alone lol.
Or he went for a bike ride or something.
And I’m going to go do some gardening…
Lol. So pathetic.
Jesse, your mind-reading needs some work.
I have better things to do today.
That’s a lie.
Yet you are here jeff.
Racist
Someone on Twitter gave the best explanation of why “Coco Chow” is racist. It’s an example of Trump’s “pingpongchingchong-ing like a racist 10 year old”.
Your cite for if something is racist is a guy on Twitter? You really should kill yourself as you are to stupid to be of any use
Someone on Twitter says Mike is a retard. You have my cite.
Mikes defense is there is another retard pushing the same narrative. Lol.
Even a dumber defense of your original assertion. The two words are nothing alike. One is phonetically the same. The other isn’t.
How do you triple down on such idiocy.
Trump is not that good at making fun of Chinese people with sing song language, and it’s my fault he sucks at it. Got it.
Man, I was wondering why an article like this had 244 comments. Now I know.
Yawn.
These articles where they target stories that effect the writers make me believe they are only convenience libertarians. They really just dislike things that effect them.
Immigration costs? Ignore it. Only effects others like border states. Beer? Why can’t I go to a brewery!
These articles where they target stories that effect the writers make me believe they are only convenience libertarians. They really just dislike things that effect them.
That’s you, Jesse. Except not even a libertarian, just a right-winger who only gets upset when something personally affects you.
Tell us again how you supposedly stand up for the liberty of every single individual.
Hey there jeff!
Got any libertarian essays to share? Like that one about how we need to root for DARK BRANDON to SAVE DEMOCRACY?
#LibertariansForBiden
So 3 posts of no value from Jeff. Lol.
“Except not even a libertarian”
If Jesse ever starts advocating for Top Men, corporatism and censorship like you constantly do here, I’d be inclined to agree.
Me too.
Jeff is a self admitted globalist who wants to give powers to the elites. So libertarian lol.
Cite?
Racist
Racist sealion.
Do I need to link to your comment above saying you don’t have to provide one sea lion?
lol
There is a difference between libertarianism and narcissism.
Libertarianism is a defense of liberty for its own sake. For EVERYONE.
Narcissism, which is frequently on display by the “libertarians” who come here, is a defense of liberty FOR ONE’S SELF and the people with whom one identifies.
So people like Jesse will have no problems complaining about Twitter silencing conservative voices on their platform and talking about how they ought to have a “Free speech culture”; but then will do a complete 180 and be completely in favor of the University of Idaho silencing liberal voices in the classroom. Because to Jesse, only the conservatives deserve liberty, the liberals don’t.
Silencing what voices in Idaho jeff? Employees? And using government resources to push politics. Of course you are for that lol.
You dont understand the difference?
You and Mike need more sleep. Extra dumb today.
You are pro censorship except for workplaces. Lol.
Privatize the U of ID, then.
Baylen Linnekin writes a food-related libertarian blog post every Saturday.
You know that, but you are being true to your disingenuous history. What Linnekin writes is what he writes — it doesn’t constitute a “they”.
Where do his food articles take place? Only in areas he seemingly lives.
How are you and Jeff this dumb?
His post last week was about a Dutch city. You make the most disingenuous, weak-ass arguments.
Like saying misspelling a last name is racist? Saying cops were killed by fire extinguisher at j6? Saying you have never read rolling stone after posting a link a week prior? Lol.
That was an admission you didn’t have a valid reply.
Cite?
Cite? Seemingly doesn’t mean 100% of the time dummy. Did I say only or never?
Wow. This is just sad this morning. You should have continued pretending I was on mute.
Yes, you literally used the word, only, in your sentence.
The private consortium that reported election “misinformation” to tech platforms during the 2020 election season, in “consultation” with federal agencies, targeted several news organizations in its dragnet.
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Websites for Just the News, New York Post, Fox News, Washington Examiner, Washington Times, Epoch Times and Breitbart were identified among the 20 “most prominent domains across election integrity incidents” that were cited in tweets flagged by the Election Integrity Partnership and its collaborators.
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The Washington Post, New York Times and CNN also appeared on the list, though the consortium’s after-action report emphasizes most of the mainstream media reports “were referenced as fact-checks” that played a “corrective role” against “misleading narratives.”
https://justthenews.com/accountability/watchdogs/news-organizations-targeted-fascist-public-private-partnership-stamp-out
“in “consultation” with federal agencies”
Used to be called corporatism or fascism but now it’s called “Muh private company”. Anyone that dismisses or makes up even the smallest excuse for this, is in no way, shape or form a libertarian.
Doctor takes note that his cancer spread rapidly around the lymph nodes near where he got his covid injections. First the side for his first booster. Then other side on his second booster in the other arm.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/09/30/pro-vax-doc-believes-covid-booster-accelerated-his-cancer-n1633529
That is such powerful proof. Not.
Get back to us when this pattern is found in more than one person.
Lol. Wow. We must ignore initial observations says the scientist. He is calling for a study you fucking moron.
Can we ignore this too Mike?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/swollen-lymph-nodes-covid
Nope. This link is more substantive.
100% safe and effective with no downsides.
Who ever said that?
OMG
That wasn’t an answer.
Kill yourself you sea ottering cancer
And discussed in the original linked article.
God damn. Way to prove you’re intentionally ignorant.
You are acting as if getting swollen lymph nodes is a highly unusual thing to happen.
Cite?
I am? Where?
OK, so you are saying it’s not that unusual for lymph nodes to become swollen? I agree.
“That is such powerful proof. Not.”
The 90’s called and they want their terrible sarcasm back.
Science loving Mike doesn’t know that science is based on observation. Leading to a question. Then studies and experiments.
Yeah, sure. You had no hidden agenda.
What hidden agenda?
Can someone ask him to talk to the hand because the face ain’t listening?
Haha. She’s muted me or I would.
Judge rules that no, voter ID is not racist.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/stacey-abrams-built-national-wave-arguing-georgia-elections-racist-judge
Abrams still claims victory despite losing on all counts.
You can’t ‘spect them darkies to knows how to get that identification! That’s just racist
It is good to see both sides call out congressional leadership for not bringing congressional stock bans to the floor.
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/democrat-congressman-it-just-looks-were-pickpocketing-public-without-stock-ban
“By creating artificial scarcity, restaurants and others that want a liquor license now must pay up to a million dollars for that license. As a result, they push to protect what’s “theirs” against the competition.”
And I feel absolutely no sympathy for them. What they are purchasing is the right to sell a product to consumers at inflated prices due to artificially created scarcity that eliminates competition. They are co-conspirators in ripping off consumers.
Rideshares tanked the value of taxi medallions. The current liquor license holders won’t be following that road without a fight.
Somewhat On-Topic, since it mentioned food-trucks being banned from brewery premises:
I’ve been thinking (always a dangerous thing, that):. Food trucks could not only be a bringer of street corn, hot dogs. funnel cakes, and ice cream, and not only a marketing vehicle (so to speak) for brick-and-mortar restaurants, but a harbinger of civilization itself.
Brick-and-martar restaurants could send out a food truck to an unserved or underserved area for a 30-day trial, offering everything on the menu, only mobile and go-to. Then they make the announcement to all media that if sales are brisk enough and people behave right, construction on the permanent restaurant will begin.
But if there is one dine-and dash. one WorldStar incident, one Karen/Kevin incident, one food fight, one bum or solicitor frightening customers. one crime in the parking area, one server curled in a fetal position because of shitty treatment by an asshole customer, one run-in with protesters of any kind, bureaucrats, or the NIMBY crowd, then the food truck will pack up, roll up the red carpet, piss on the fire, and all building plans for the restaurant in the area are cancelled…Forever!
Maybe this will get people to thinking that “food deserts” exist for a reason and that their town may need an enema.
Kevin? What brought that on?
“We look forward to the courts righting this egregious attempt to limit economic opportunity and happiness in New Jersey.”
I have a somewhat different view of judges in New Jersey.
There is also a bill pending in the state legislature to repeal these restrictions. Let’s see if the restaurant lobby can fight that off
Hopping mad, the brewers must follow the path of yeast resistance to get a head without losing sight of the big pitcher.
Are there more puns brewing?
Please have pity for these pour brewers. They’re going against the grain and barley getting by. This law is a massive wort on NJ.
And their customers will probably have to pay a VAT! Enough of these restaurant sudsidies! No wonder the service industry is ale-ing!
There’s certainly no compromise being crafted. All parties are at complete lager heads over this!
Surely we can increase the num-beer of puns.
Let them out, don’t keep it bottled up!
Beer puns are always a barrel of laughs. It’s good to tap into them to relieve pressure. The best pub-lic service, bar none! (Also a festive way to start October)
Just don’t misspell anything, or Mike will be foaming at the mouth about it.
Uh huh. I myself have a misspelling in one of my comments on this page. I’m surprised none of the reflexive Trump defenders caught it.
Racist!
Reflexive Trump defender!
The brewers deserve our stout support. Hop they get it.
This is the state where it is a crime to pump your own gas.
All these stupid rules, but nothing against brewing with water from the Passaic River?
I believe the Pacific Legal Foundation’s “picking winners and losers” slogan is something other than pure bullshit when they also challenge New Jersey’s Dram Shot Act.
Similarly, I will believe the author’s concern about laws whose purpose is “to protect powerful, entrenched alcohol interests in the state” when he does something about dram shop statutes.
Carry on, disaffected, anti-government clingers.
Nobody cares about what you believe or when.
Talk about a disaffected clinger. Damn. Have fun losing, rev.
As my side continues to win the culture war, shaping national progress and painting the bigoted right-wingers into smaller and smaller corners of America, I hope you guys get to like the taste of the soles of your betters’ shoes.
America is becoming less White, less religious, less rural, less bigoted, and less backward. The electoral consequences for Republican racists, superstitious gay-bashers, disaffected clingers, pathetic conservative incels, old-timey misogynists and xenophobic faux libertarians are becoming increasingly predictable.
Carry on, right-wing assholes . . . so far and so long as your betters permit, though, and not a half-step beyond.
The liberal-libertarian mainstream thanks you for your continuing compliance with our preferences.
Nobody cares what washed-up asshole bigots ‘believe’ loser.
Fuck off and die.
I think it’s a culture war victory that through the use of ridicule I caused you to stop using the homoerotic imagery that you used to enjoy so much. You might say I shoved it down your willing throat until you realized how gay it made you look.
Very telling.
/debug kirkland.exe
Meanwhile most city planners are tearing up streets and planting medians to try to get craft breweries to locate downtown so they will be cool towns too.
may not hire an outside marketing company to assist with any special event.
Time to get some outside marketing companies to lobby the state govt…
So I’m trying to reach at least a tentative conclusion on the Nordstream explosions. A commenter here made a pretty good case the other day that it was due to Russian incompetence, an accident if you will. All governments, with the exception of China, are calling it sabotage. Of course all governments lie all of the time. But my searches have not turned up much support for the accident/incompetence theory. I’m left to determine who benefits and who doesn’t (Jeffery Epstein didn’t commit suicide).
Well I don’t see how the people of the EU or UK or Russia end up as winners here. The clear winner is the Biden neocon regime. As they have openly bragged, their goal in their proxy war in Ukraine is to turn Russia into a 3rd world state. They have made it explicitly clear that they don’t care how many Ukrainians and Russians have to die to achieve that goal. Why would they give a shit about poor Europeans freezing to death? Joe Biden said the quiet part out loud in February “there will be no longer be a Nord Stream 2”. I’m open to counter arguments but logic leads me to a deliberate act of terrorism by the Biden government at this point.
This guy says it better than I can.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/10/james-howard-kunstler/slouching-toward-endgame/
Since “Joe Biden” flat-out promised last February to “bring an end to the Nord Stream pipeline” — and let’s assume he meant both NS 1 and 2 — why seek further to unravel a fake mystery? Is our apparitional “president” not a man of his word? Of course, the machinery behind “Joe Biden” so far denies any credit for the consequential act, but who in this land is unaware that the US government’s default setting these days for answering anything is to lie.
The purpose of the act was likewise simple, plain, and obvious: to foreclose any possibility of Germany negotiating a separate peace with Russia around the financial and economic sanctions imposed by the USA over the Ukraine operation. Don’t you suppose it was clear to any German with half a brain that NATO’s joining of the sanctions was nothing less than a one-way ticket to Palookaville for Euroland? That it would mean goodbye to its advanced manufacturing economy and then goodbye to a comfortable, modern, standard of living?
Not many weeks ago German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock told the world that Germany would support Ukraine (and US-driven NATO policy) “no matter what German voters think.” That was all for show, you understand, to maintain the flimsy pretense that NATO had any actual stake in whatever happens in Ukraine — as the result of the dumpster fire set there by America. At the same time, that very same German foreign ministry was sneaking through back channels to feel out the Russian foreign ministry on ways Germany might get Russian natgas on the down-low, through third parties, say, Turkey, buying time until the glorious day those Nord Stream pipelines might re-open and the former normality of German economic life would resume?
“Joe Biden” slammed the door on that pretty conclusively Monday, blowing up the two pipelines, a premier act of insanity by a US government fueled at every level and in every direction by psychotic strategic thinking. For starters, consider that the Nord Stream sabotage amounts to the leading member of NATO committing an act-of-war against the rest of NATO. What else do you call depriving most of Europe the means to make a living — or merely to stay alive?
logic leads me to a deliberate act of terrorism by the Biden government
Sure, it’s “logic” that leads you to this conclusion, and not “insane paranoia driven by intense hatred of Team Blue”.
Lying Jeffy jumps in to defend Biden. But he’s not a Democrat.
Oh people already figured it out, a bat from a wet market caused it
Yes, but the ignored part of the story is the help that the bat received from a strategically placed bear in a nearby trunk.
Ya really gotta dig to get the whole story. Bears and bats are always trouble.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/28/diana-johnstone-omerta-in-the-gangster-war/
“It seems completely impossible that a state actor could carry out a major naval operation in the middle of this densely monitored area without being noticed by the countless active and passive sensors of the littoral states; certainly not directly off the island of Bornholm, where Danes, Swedes and Germans have a rendezvous in monitoring the surface and undersea activities,” writes Jens Berger in the excellent German website Nachdenkseiten.
Last June, Berger reports,
“the annual NATO maneuver Baltops took place in the Baltic Sea. Under the command of the U.S. 6th Fleet, 47 warships participated in the exercise this year, including the U.S. fleet force around the helicopter carrier USS Kearsarge. Of particular significance is one particular maneuver conducted by the 6th Fleet’s Task Force 68 — a special unit for explosive ordnance disposal and underwater operations of the U.S. Marines, the very unit that would be the first address for an act of sabotage on an undersea pipeline.”
In June this year this very unit was engaged in a maneuver off the island of Bornholm, operating with unmanned underwater vehicles.
Berger considers that a major sabotage operation “could not have been carried out directly under the noses of several littoral states without anyone noticing.” But he adds this clever observation: “if you want to hide something, it is best to do so in public.”
In order to be able to attach explosive devices to a gas pipeline halfway unnoticed, one would need a plausible distraction — a reason for diving near Bornholm without immediately being suspected of committing an act of sabotage. It doesn’t even have to be directly related in time to the attacks. Modern explosive devices can, of course, be detonated remotely. So, who has been conducting such operations in the maritime area in recent weeks? As luck would have it, exactly the same task force around the USS Kearsarge was again in the sea area around Bornholm last week.
In short, during NATO maneuvers, some participant could have laid the explosives, to be blown up at a later chosen moment.
By an odd coincidence, only a few hours after the sabotage of Nord Stream 1 and 2, ceremonies began opening the new Baltic Pipe carrying gas from Norway to Denmark and Poland.
Due to Western sanctions against Russia, gas was not being delivered through the destroyed pipelines. However, gas inside the pipelines is leaking dangerously. The pipelines remained ready for use whenever an agreement could be reached. And the first, dramatic significance of the sabotage is that henceforth, no agreement can be reached. Nord Stream 2 would have been the key to some sort of settlement between Russia and the Europeans. The sabotage has virtually announced that the war can only intensify with no end in sight.
In Germany, the Czech Republic and some other countries, movements were beginning to grow calling for an end to the sanctions, specifically to solve the energy crisis by putting Nord Stream 2 into operation for the first time. The sabotage has thus invalidated the leading demand of potential peace movements in Germany and Europe.
This act of sabotage is above all a deliberate sabotage of any prospect of a negotiated peace in Europe. The next move from the West has been for NATO governments to call on all their citizens to leave Russia immediately. In preparation of what?
Holy crap.
A US Navy boat recently sailed by the spot where the alleged sabotage occurred.
Yup, that proves it, Biden deliberately ordered the destruction of the pipeline to further his nefarious goals. The proof is iron-clad.
Not to mention the sabotage was in more than one spot.
Keep defending Biden. It’s a good look for you, Lefty Jeffy.
What a silly article. The seismic sound heard around the time the pipeline would have been broken equates to 200 kg of TNT. Nor would it need diving gear to drop to where it could breach the pipe. Just dropped into the water if the bomber knows exactly where the pipeline is. Probably by sub since that gets closest to the sea floor or minelayer since that’s what they do. Detonation can easily be delayed.
Diving will only be necessary for the forensic stuff now.
Did you have a point? Not that it’s likely to be worth much.
If the pipeline was double masked it would still be fine regardless of explosion?
Nordstream 1 and 2 were most likely taken out by an anti-Putin (that is to say, a patriotic) Russian working on the pipeline system. Whoever it was is on the side of justice.
-jcr
Reason Reacharound.
Reason editors yawn.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/government-privatized-censorship-regime
The U.S. Government’s Vast New Privatized Censorship Regime
Local story
We look forward to the courts righting this egregious attempt to limit economic opportunity and happiness in New Jersey.
I wouldn’t hold my breath.
-jcr