For Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Political Stunts Are More Important Than Substance
Who cares if it’s legal if it generates politically advantageous outrage and attention?

When a federal judge ruled against the social media law championed by Florida's Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, it wasn't much of a surprise: The law, which among other things forbade social media companies from appending their own speech to certain user posts and compelled social media companies to host speech by elected officials, was blatantly, obviously unconstitutional from the outset. Not incidentally, it was also incredibly corrupt, including a carve-out for Disney, the state's largest employer.
Florida's defense of the law was a legal embarrassment that asserted, among other things, that Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, had effectively established "a law-free zone over the entire Internet," and insisted that the courts should view social media platforms as common carriers simply because they wield "massive power."
When a state lawyer appeared in court to defend the law, the lawyer couldn't answer easy questions about how the legislation was supposed to work in practice, to the point where the exasperated judge eventually said: "I want to know if you've ever dealt with a statute that is more poorly drafted."
Perhaps inadvertently, the judge had revealed the true purpose of the law. The statute was not designed to operate in the real world, or even to answer basic hypotheticals about how it might work in practice. It was not, in other words, drafted to function as a law.
Rather, it was written and passed to make a tendentious public point about supposed discrimination against conservative views on social media. DeSantis could then send out press releases declaring that he was guaranteeing "real Floridians across the Sunshine State" legal "protection against Silicon Valley elites" and counteracting intimidation by "leftist media and big corporations."
This wasn't a serious attempt to legislate. It was a stunt intended solely to generate attention for DeSantis in hopes of raising his political profile in advance of a possible presidential run—damn the obvious First Amendment violations.
DeSantis didn't care about the Constitution. He didn't care about the legal particulars. He cared about his campaign.
That's a trend for DeSantis, who has recently increased his reputation on the strength of political stunts of dubious legality or legislative value. For DeSantis, stunts are more important than substance.
DeSantis' scheme to fly a plane full of migrants to Martha's Vineyard is just the most recent example. DeSantis appears to have funded the flight with interest left over from state COVID relief funds that were granted as part of the $2 trillion American Rescue Plan passed by President Joe Biden and congressional Democrats last year. In 2021, DeSantis criticized that bill, passed entirely on partisan lines and funded by increasing federal debt, as being "designed basically to bail out the poorly governed states." A year later, he apparently has no qualms about using money derived from that bill to prop up what amounts to a shadow campaign for the GOP presidential nomination.
DeSantis can't even really make an argument that the plane ride to Martha's Vineyard directly helps Florida, since the flight originated in San Antonio, Texas. As Reason's Fiona Harrigan noted recently, the origination point raises further legal questions, since the program that apparently funded the flight was designated for transporting migrants "from this state"—"this state" being Florida. The flight briefly touched down in the Panhandle to refuel, but this is, at best, a legal stretch. The same goes for the budgetary authority used to pay for the flight, since it was explicitly designated for immigrants who are "unlawfully present," and not for people who are here seeking asylum. But the clearest reports indicate the migrants on the plan were likely to seek asylum, and not present unlawfully.
Yet again, none of this apparently matters to DeSantis, who has repeatedly prioritized stunts over substance.
The same goes for DeSantis' recent actions against Disney. Although the governor exempted the entertainment giant from his social media bill, earlier this year he embarked on a high-profile campaign to revoke the company's self-governing status. DeSantis made no effort to hide that his move was intended as punishment for Disney's decision to speak out against Florida's Parental Rights in Education bill, which critics have dubbed the "Don't Say Gay" bill, and which would restrict some forms of classroom discussion of gender or sexuality in public education.
DeSantis wasn't trying to govern constructively. He was trying to make a point, and raise his own profile, by punishing private political speech. That effort too was plagued by First Amendment and budgetary concerns, as Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown wrote at the time.
As usual, DeSantis evinced no obvious concern about the constitutionality or legal particulars. He'd found a way to generate politically advantageous outrage and attention.
Even the law that served as the basis for that dispute fit the same pattern: DeSantis' education bill was vague and poorly drafted, but clearly designed to shut down specific types of speech in schools—or at the very least to give DeSantis an opportunity to send out self-congratulatory press releases while ginning up campaign-boosting controversy and attention.
DeSantis' supporters sometimes point out that he has executive experience that would be an asset in the White House. But much of DeSantis' experience as an executive seems to consist of using state resources to bolster his political fortunes, with little benefit conferred to the people he's supposed to serve.
These stunts aren't designed to help "real Floridians"; they're designed to boost the political career of one very particular Floridian.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantisPoliticians Everywhere, Political Stunts Are More Important Than Substance” – Fixed it for you.Yeah, it’s stupid. But considerably less egregious than other political stunts that the media (including Reason) is choosing to ignore.
Or their turning a blind eye to all manner of government abuses that are not currently convenient to note.
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The bizarre obsession Reason has with DeSantis is becoming concerning.
What he did was defeintiely dumb, but that doesn't take away from the fact this happens on a daily basis along the political spectrum.
Why was it dumb? It made a very important point in a way anyone could grasp. If it had been dumb, people like Sudderman wouldn’t be so angry about it.
Because it wasn’t serious legislation. Rather, it was using the apparatus of the state to make a political point. That’s dumb and should always be called out as such.
Ignoring the border situation is far more insidious.
The MV move was perfect, politically. That's different than feigned legislation.
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How do you think you get serious legislation without explaining the problem and persuading people, which this did
Yes, that's how you get serious legislation passed. Thus, moving forward with garbage legislation rather than engaging in explanation and persuasion in order to pass serious legislation is dumb.
It's only 'garbage legislation' to the left, who it disarms.
No, it turned out to be really bad legislation legally.
Yeah right--we all know that stuff that gets things done is dumb.
Gonna assume sarc here.
More laws is not always the best response.
I don't understand your point?
There’s existing laws that aren’t being followed. It’s causing a problem.
States can’t pass any legislation, serious or otherwise, regarding immigration.
If the Biden administration would do it’s fucking job he wouldn’t have to pull this stunt.
We get it, you're pro forced marxist indoctrination.
"The bizarre obsession Reason has with DeSantis is becoming concerning."
You're right. The Reason blog should eschew following and commenting on current events.
Do you find purposefully mischaracterizing comments a successful debate strategy?
It's mike's ONLY debate strategy. Rinse repeat.
True story
Nonsense, he also demands cites for opinions or for positions that are understood by most everyone else.
Cite?
And the right wingers here often fail to provide cites when asked, because things are “just understood” within the echo chambers they usually hang out in.
Meanwhile, I provide cites whenever some smart-ass right-winger thinks they are being clever by asking me for one.
I think I interpreted your comment quite accurately.
Reason must avoid DSDS at all costs
Neither the law nor the stunt are 'current' any longer. Considering that Reason has already devoted quite a bit of coverage to both when they were relevant, what discussion is this piece intended to inspire?
The answer is 'none'. It is intended to exist as a record that Suderman previously admonished a probable Republican candidate for the Presidency. If he judged both party candidates on their actual record, he would have to admit that over his career Biden did far more to diminish freedom than Trump ever dreamed possible. As President he has undone the few good things that Trump managed without any meaningful reduction of the bad.
DeSantis didn't strand asylum seekers in Texas. That would be a failure of the President and his administration.
I thought they weren't journalists Mike.
It isn't just DeSantis. The problem Reason has with DeSantis is the same they have with anyone who is being effective. Making noises is ok, but anything that "throws down the gauntlet" to spur action, or actually takes action (such as flying illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard) is unacceptable.
Reason is well on it's way to becoming HuffPo redux.
Dumb? I live in Texas and nobody gave a damn as we pay more taxes, housed and educate, provide healthcare, and deal with the homelessness. This open border bothers no one in the public sector because they don't see it. Now that DeSantis is sending the problem, we have here in Texas, to the blue states it's dumb? No, it's drawing attention to a blatant unconstitutional problem. We will lose our country if we don't stop the invasion. Many won't even assimilate. We already have enough unpatriotic Americans. We don't need to import more.
"it’s drawing attention to a blatant unconstitutional problem."
Unconstitutional? How so?
"Lose our country"? We haven't "lost" it in the last 246 years when we had had immigration like we do today. We didn't "lose" it in the last 51 years I've been alive when we had conditions exactly like they are today. Immigration, legal or otherwise, isn't an existential crisis.
"Many won’t even assimilate."
If by "assimilate" you mean "support the things you support", then maybe. If you use the real definition of "assimilate", you are very, very wrong.
"We already have enough unpatriotic Americans."
Where are these hordes of unpatriotic Americans? Or do you also replace the real definition of "unpatriotic" with "people who don't support the things you support" like you do with assimilation?
"We don’t need to import more."
So immigrants are assumed to be unpatriotic?
Tell me you are a paleoconservative bigot without saying it, why don't you?
Hmmm, so you think the people who voted for creating the hellhole in Venezuela should come here in unlimited amounts? Once here they can ride our welfare system until it too becomes broke, then vote for the same policies they fled from?
Assimulate, to me means buying into limited government via our constitution. Being self supporting and indipendant, needing no support (especially via tax-theft) from the citizens of the United States.
Yes, YES,
I expect a system that allows immigration at limited levels.
I expect it to screen who comes so as to exclude those who come here to break the law or undermine our nation.
I expect that system to assure that they come here without contagious diseases.
And I expect them to assimilate and become US citizens in some period of time, or be returned to where they came from.
In short, come here legally, assimilate and become one of us, or leave.
You mean exactly like they did with Trump? It's their excuse for all of them voting democrat gain in the midterms.
DeSantis was trying to convey to the American people the dimensions of the crisis on our border, in a way that could not be ignored. 2 million plus illegals waltzing into the country this year alone and the Administration is saying the border is secure, while the e MSM ignores it. Anything that makes the left so angry has to have hit a nerve.
This genius needs to be our next President.
"...Anything that makes the left so angry has to have hit a nerve.
[...]
This genius needs to be our next President."
Or redo Trump; the left NEEDS to be put in a panic mode.
So you believe that it's possible to eliminate illegal immigration? That seems (being as kind as I can be) hopelessly naive.
Eliminate? No. Reduce by 99%? Absolutely. Build the wall.
Nice straw man you have there. Think much?
We succeed in enforcing no law I am aware of 100%. To suggest (as you have implied) that if you can't get 100% you should do nothing at all is stupid and disingenuous.
Who cares if it’s legal if it generates politically advantageous outrage and attention?
Straight out of the Dems playbook.
You know Desantis hit the target by how mad the blue checks got over one minutes worth of illegals from any border town.
I hear they are still sanitizing every surface in Martha’s Vineyard.
Sudderman is terrified they might send a few to Northwest Washington DC.
There's exceptions to the rule of course, but just about anything that makes lefties cope and seethe this much is likely a good thing.
There's nothing the gentry class hates more than having their virtuous posturing exposed as rank hypocrisy.
Why is it a "stunt" when a Republican does it, but just a policy decision when a Democrat does it?
Flying 50 Spics to Martha's Vineyard violated the sanctity of Obama's home for a political stunt. Biden spending half a trillion dollars to forgive student loans is just an accounting issue. Seriously, who would waste their hard earned shekels on this Koch funded rag of a magazine?
Nobody, that's why they are so far over the edge.
Reason is a cheap date but let it never be said they don’t put out for their paymasters.
Because Suderman and Reason Editors are far left progressives.
Bingo.
Who says that?
Oh fuck off, sealion.
Learn a new trick.
DACA.
But much of DeSantis' experience as an executive seems to consist of using state resources to bolster his political fortunes, with little benefit conferred to the people he's supposed to serve.
He is following the Con Man's model without the sleazy braggadocio.
This one would be a winner in 2024.
The Cult will just have to accept it.
Fuck off and die pedo
Accept it. I know the pull of the Cult is strong. You adore your dear leader and others will support your steadfast loyalty.
But the Con Man is drifting away from you. You will just have a poster and some leftover QAnon merchandise in 2024.
You are attacked because you are a pederast and all decent people hate you for it.
It's funny how you think your posts reflect badly on others. Oh the irony.
As if getting SPB to rage at you isn't a badge of honor. Same with Sarc's 'mute list' or a SQRLFKR copy-pasta. It means you are hitting a nerve.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
urd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, turd, but mark your grave so decent people know where to piss,
Keep the anti-DeSantis commentary coming, Koch-funded libertarians. Don't ever stop until Biden's DOJ throws him in prison for KIDNAPPING and HUMAN TRAFFICKING. Twitter's most brilliant #Resistance legal analysts have assured me it's an open-and-shut case he's guilty of both.
#LibertariansForImprisoningBidensEnemies
OMG! I have proof if DeSantis wins reelection it must be because he cheated!
Florida @GovRonDeSantis trails Democrat Rep. @CharlieCrist in Florida's governor race, a new poll from The Listener Group found. On @danabramslive, the pollster defended their results, citing recent accuracy and that they only survey likely voters.
#ElectionsAreOnlyLegitimateWhenDemocratsWin
Polls are always super accurate.
LOL
A+
'Florida man bad' and 'Texas man bad' has replaced orange man bad living rent free in leftists heads including Reason.
If Trump isn’t the nominee it will be because whoever is is “worse than Trump”. These idiots are nothing if not predictable
Exactly. This is the whole point of expanding from "Orange Man Bad" to "MAGA Republicans Bad" -- if somebody other than Trump wins, they will still be slandered by 'supported by MAGA'.
Oranges man bad.
Burnt Orange Man Bad too.
Oranges man bad
+1 (LOL)
Close enough to allow a seamless transfer of TDS addled hate for conservatives and devotion to duty to the left for the US media (including Reason).
Similar to what’s happening on the world stage to Italy’s Giorgia Meloni:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/09/italy-election-trump-lesson-america.html
Stand up for liberty and the free markets (unless a bank or web service de-platforms you) by voting Lolbertarian in 2022.
Well, they are now both worse than Trump; you know, page 14 of Democrat political tactics.
poor Pete ...
I guess his Amazon wife stopped making him take his meds again. He is going to have some kind of breakdown at this rate.
LOL you guys are still going on about this?
You can tell Heavy D is over the target the way people are screeching about him.
At this point I suspect he's going to experience a reagan-esque landslide in 2024..
I really have no opinion of DeSantis. I don’t live in Florida. So I don’t really know much about him. That said, if Sudderman hates him, he must be doing something right
Well, he did covid response right and I think that's the most important issue for the next election. I'm not wild about all of his culture war salvos, but it is amusing to watch.
He is absolutely right about not letting kids get groomed in grade school. And I really don’t see why Disney deserves to run its own city. Do you?
Considering that they're pretty much the only relevant landowner in the area, and damn near every visitor to the district are either employees or guests on their property? No, not really.
And it's not exactly an uncommon arrangement in the state of FL. I can appreciate removing the preconstitutional grandfathering of WDW's special district, but such a place is definitely a strong candidate to be left the hell alone to manage things as they see fit.
One could make the argument that its exactly because they are the dominant landowner and the biggest employer that they shouldn't also be the government. Exactly how much power do you want to centralize in one entity?
I didn't say I disapprove of all of it. The state has a valid interest in deciding what is appropriate to be taught in schools and at what grade level.
If it's not a special privilege for Disney, I don't see a problem with cities run by private enterprise. Why should the rest of Florida pay for Disney's (or another corporation that controls large geographical areas) shit?
he got the most hate for the chinavirus response and that's how you know he was 100% correct about the direction he took
Yeah, have to convince the idiots that he's pure evil before they notice that he did as well or better than any other big state without totally fucking up education and the economy and violating everyone's basic rights.
Sure, if you ignore the coordinated under-reporting and "adjust for age" (whatever that means, sunce dead is dead), plus play a few more accpintong tricks, Florida was right in the middle of the country.
If you use honest numbers, they were terrible.
I almost hate to post this but do you have a cite to how Florida is not close to the middle of COVID-19 stats.
No, he doesn't.
In particular, considering the items he mentions IMPROVES Florida's relative performance. Florida has a disproportionately large percentage of the elderly. That made DeSantis' job more difficult, not easier.
Florida was in the middle of the pack, EVEN WITHOUT CONSIDERING the higher elderly population. Remarkable considering similar performance for California with a younger than average age distribution therefore lower high risk component.
If white liberals were not such virtue signaling hypocrites, sending them illegal aliens would have not been so effective. You would think ending a corporate giveaway would be something libertarians would support. But I digress. Everyone knows Sudderman is just a leftist mediocrity who couldn’t get a job anywhere else
Buzzfeed didn't call back so he had to become a Koch whore.
Turned down by Buzzfeed. The humanity
This is a rather silly line of criticism. There's nothing vague about these bills, all of which are products of the LEGISLATURE, not the Governor. This ain't a fiefdom. DeSantis and the legislature are representing the interests of the people who elected him. Sorry that frosts your shorts, but that's how it goes in this system.
LOL! Every trifecta state is a fiefdom. Claiming otherwise shows you are either wearing partisan blinders or so credulous you shouldn't be allowed unsupervised access to the internet. You might help support that poor Nigerian prince.
So let me get this straight, when DeSantis or Abbott do something, it's a political stunt. When Newsom or Hochul (or Pritzker) do something, it's not a political stunt. Did I get that right, Suderman?
Correct. Republicans "pounce"!
Republicans are always pouncing. They are relentless
Meanwhile, aside from hurricanes and general humidity, Florida remains an attractive state to do business in and live in. Of course that wrecks the narrative that DeSantis is ruining the state, but why let facts get in the way?
I live in the state that is most attractive to businesses. Almost 2/3 of the Fortune 500 are incorporated here.
That doesn't reflect on our governor at a since, like DeSantis, he hasn't made any changes that created the business-friendly environment.
Taking credit for someone else's accomplishments is apparently admirable to cultural conservatives. Not surprising.
"Almost 2/3 of the Fortune 500 are incorporated here" but don't actually operate there. Great place to incorporate, terrible place to do business.
Maybe this story is too local for a libertarian magazine.
Libertarian group sues to block student debt cancellation
I think Robby took note earlier: https://reason.com/2022/09/27/biden-student-loan-forgiveness-lawsuit-pacific-legal-foundation/
Ah, I missed that. Well, at least they covered it. I'm not sure if this "libertarian group" is aligned with the Mises caucus, so I don't know how to feel about them yet.
WSJ had it yesterday.
As I mentioned above, inconveniencing 50 undocumented Americans is a far greater crime for us civil libertarians than spending half a trillion dollars to "cancel" student loans.
Or sending the FBI after parents attending their kids’ school board meetings.
It's much, MUCH worse than depleting the strategic petroleum reserve in order to mask the effects of his catastrophic energy policies, right before mid terms.
That's not at all a political stunt.
Or killing the Keystone Pipeline in the name of global warming. That wasn’t a political stunt designed to punish opposition voters and enrich the crony who own the rail companies who ship the oil at all. That was just good government in action
Or Schumer refusing to vote on the Collins-Murkowski abortion legislation which probably would have passed with an honest vote, instead putting an extemist bill up for a vote, which he knew didn't have a prayer of passing.
Not a political stunt at all.
Speaking of pipelines, apparently someone blew up the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines this morning.
Those being the ones under the Baltic Sea between St. Petersburg, Russia, and Griefswald, Germany.
Apparently two distinct seismic events were detected several hours apart, the pressure in Germany dropped off suddenly, and the Danish Navy discovered two areas above each pipeline where gas is bubbling up to the surface of the sea, off the coast of Bornholm.
At first they suspected that the pipelines gave in to sea pressure after having been empty for a while, but now they are being investigated as sabotage.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html
Hmm. Would Russia blow the pipeline then try to pin it on Ukraine?
"Electoral officials have gone door to door with portable ballot boxes from last Friday until yesterday."
I'll bet Democrats are envious of the ability to do this. I would not be surprised if California passes a law making it legal.
“I’ll bet Democrats are envious of the ability to do this. I would not be surprised if California passes a law making it legal.”
Nice signaling to your fellow Red Team loyalists.
THIS^
Worth noting that the oil is still moving, it just costs more to ship, uses more energy to ship, and spills into the environment more via train.
But hey, it helps Berkshire Hathaway's profits and some of those come back as contributions to the DNC.
Godspeed , i hope the lawsuit wins. We'll see.
We're descending into full on Bolshevism at this point so i'm not confident.
Now do the J6 hearings.
And when you're done, you can do the first Trump impeachment.
And the second one after he had left office
After he covers that one, he can move directly into the NY AG "investigation," and then finish things out with the Mar a Lago raid and the Catholic father of seven raid.
Reason is cheerleading the civil suit brought by New York State. Nothing says a commitment to civil liberties like a hack politician suing an opponent for a cause of action the alleged victims, corporate banks, didn’t bring themselves after she campaigned on the promise to “get Trump”. Reason can’t get enough of that.
They are real civil libertarians like that.
Then the Russia collusion hoax.
Then the second impeachment of a person who wasn't even fucking president anymore.
In a similar manner, can Liz Cheney still host the J6 hearings after she’s unelected too?
Now do the Hollywood produced, broadcasted during prime time J6 hearings.
Was it a political stunt? Sure.
But, then, Rosa Parks refusing to sit on the back of the bus was a political stunt. John Scopes teaching Darwinism was a political stunt. Pretty much any protest march is a political stunt. There's nothing inherently wrong with political stunts. They can be incredibly useful for galvanizing and clarifying political issues.
And the issue that DeSantis was clarifying here is that the open borders advocates are pretty damned indifferent to the hardships their preferred policies impose on others. That the border states are inundated with illegal immigrants should hardly be news. But, the only response from open borders advocates has been that they're racist if they have any objection. This stunt made abundantly clear that their "moral" position was little more than empty virtue signaling.
And the issue that DeSantis was clarifying here is that the open borders advocates are pretty damned indifferent to the hardships their preferred policies impose on others.
Being one of those advocates is why Sudderman is so angry about this. How dare anyone interfere with his smug sense of superiority. You would think the reaction by the residents of Martha’s Vineyard would cause people like Sudderman to engage in a little self reflection about their own hypocrisy and total unwillingness to honestly recognize and address the hardships caused by opening the borders.
Fat chance. Self reflection and thoughtfulness is not what someone like Sudderman does. Instead, he just gets angry and further proves the point DeSantis was making.
Laying the groundwork for the 2024 "I will reluctantly pull the lever for ____________________________ (D)"
What a fucking hack.
^ haha. Every damn time with these "libertarian" journalists at Reason
More like Libertocrat.
seem more like Marx-icrats to me.
Speaking of Florida and political stunts, with a hurricane bearing down on FL, instead of coordinating response efforts with the governor of the state, Brandon calls mayors and encourages them to circumvent established response protocols:
"Joe Biden says he called mayors of St. Petersburg, Tampa, and Clearwater:
'I told each one of them, whatever they need contact me directly.'"
https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/1574814653439528961?s=20&t=Ir6vrWJFBYlYbsMEk761vA
But I'm sure he was just being helpful.
Expect any hurricane making landfall in Florida to be the worst disaster ever and am example of how DeSantis just wants to murder black people. The media is already preloading the lies. The reality that Florida is better at handling hurricanes than literally any other jurisdiction in the world won’t matter any more than the truth mattered during Katrina.
Not a political stunt:
Rebranding Ivermectin- a drug that has been around since the 70s and has done huge amounts of good for millions of people- as a "horse dewormer."
not supposed to go here, but I'm sure you see where I'm heading...
The examples are endless
Boston Tea Party, one political stunt that actually changed the political landscape.
OK, I'll be charitable and accept your definition as a "stunt". Stunts are all the left ever does, and when the opposition does the same thing and it is more effective than their stunts... well, it's like humor. Conservative humor is hilarious (guys like Branco and Garrison) because to be effective there must be a factual basis. Which is why lib "humor" is about as funny as their stunts are effective.
Yup. It wouldn’t have been so effective if the white Democrats in Martha’s Vineyard not turned out to be exactly what DeSantis thought they were. If they, one of the richest communities in the world, had welcomed 50 people into their community with open arms instead of calling out the National Guard to remove them to a detention camp on the mainland within a day, the whole thing would have backfired badly. They didn’t do that. And somehow that is DeSantis’ fault Martha’s Vineyard is a national laughing stock.
If they had welcomed them with open arms DeSantis would have sent 5000 more. That's what made the move so brilliant. Tails I win, heads you lose.
I remember reason calling the BLM riots a stunt.
reference please
The 50 migrants were "sheltered" for several hours while they were on the plane to MV, and may have even received a snack and a can of soda. On a per-person-hour cost of shelter, it almost seems like the flight would be cheaper than the wads of money some cities throw at it.
Poor, poor conservatives continue to be persecuted in the media by relentless leftists at Reason.
Do you ever have anything interesting to say or is endlessly and tiresomely whining about people calling out Reason your only move?
Do you have any idea how tiresome and stupid you people are with your constant tirades about how Reason is leftist because they were critical of Republicans or failed to cover something you think is important? It’s like fifty posts on each article. Do you really think you’re being clever by saying “They were mean to Trump, that means they love Biden! They were mean to Republicans, that means they’re Democrats! They didn’t cover this story, which means they [insert strawman here]!”?
Get a new hobby.
There have been multiple substantive points made about the problems with this article. If you disagree with them, say why and make an agreement defending it. You don’t do that. Instead you just whine about how everyone picks on reason. Well, there is a good reason for that, reason prints a lot of things that need to be picked on.
Substantive points? Like what? They said it’s a “stunt” but when Democrats do something similar they don’t call it a “stunt” which means it’s nothing but a hit piece on Republicans? The article is one-sided because it doesn't say anything about Democrats, which means Reason's in the tank for the left?
Those aren't substantive points. They're just bitchy team players crying about someone being mean to their team.
Like Suderman’s double standards here, his situational ethics whereby government favors to industry are bad but Disney’s was great. His total unwillingness to address the harm caused by illegal immigration and the hypocrisy of Martha’s Vineyard just to name a few.
Did you even read the comments or just shoot your mouth off and start whining?
Those look like personal complaints about the author, not substantive complaints about the article.
No they don’t.
Ah yes, the continued tired shtick.
Yeah, every article starting off with a dozen "Reason is leftist hurr durr" comments is indeed tired.
And now you go to the "I know you are but what am I" defense?
Man, if you're going to engage in a constant shtick, at least own it.
He’s a weasel. He has no convictions.
So you enjoy the constant team whining?
Not at all. It's gotten to be horrendous here. No real discussion, just constant insults, anger, trolling, and irrationality.
And a constant, tired, trolling shtick goes right along with that.
And what was one of the first comments you made? Whining that Reason talks about DeSantis to often:
https://reason.com/2022/09/27/for-florida-gov-ron-desantis-political-stunts-are-more-important-than-substance/?comments=true#comment-9721955
Guilty of responding to turd and Joe Asshole with stock replies, but why do any of you take the time to respond to sarc, jeffy, white mike or the asshole claiming to be moderate?
Right there (upper right) is a perfect opportunity to ignore the assholes, and if they got no response, the steaming piles of lefty shit would soon get lost
Ron DeSantis is my favorite politician of my lifetime.
Why?
Bc he's dreamy.
Demagoguery is so dreamy.
Yes, Slow Joe is sooo dreamy.
He’s not. And I said no such thing.
Suderman bleats like the rest of the progressive sheep.
What did Suderman say that indicates he is a progressive?
Someone explain to me, as specifically as possible, why you love Republican politicians so much.
I don't think that it's so much love for Republican politicians as a shared hatred of all things "other."
I have little love for Republicans, as a practical matter they are the only defense against the Satanic Demoncrats, however pitiful that defense may be.
So you're just a sad Q-Anon basement monkey. Good, at least it's a rational reason.
The republicans are 99% garbage but there are a few that are tolerable and even downright correct on a lot of issues.
The Democrats are batting 0.000 with every single one an intolerable Bolshevik.
Name a Bolshevik policy Democrats support and a good policy Republicans support.
Notice tonys requirement for both sides is for government to do something.
"Name a Bolshevik policy Democrats support..."
Control of the economy.
"...a good policy Republicans support."
Not the above.
Bolshevik policy democrats support: using state police to target political enemies.
Good policy republicans support: the second amendment.
"Someone explain to me, as specifically as possible, why you love Republican politicians so much."
The comparison to scumbag D's would explain that to anyone with a room temperature IQ, so you'll just have to take my word for it.
All the more reason to abandon any form of press or opinion censorship. Whoever is in power will attempt to bend those laws to their will. Let the libel and defamation laws function as intended.
"Yet again, none of this apparently matters to DeSantis, who has repeatedly prioritized stunts over substance."
C'mon Pete, I get that this is an opinion piece but surely you don't have the knowledge to make this statement. I am sure DeSantis goes in to work every day and works on substantive issues for Florida all day. Yes, he also pulls off some fantastic political stunts but you don't have a clue what he does with most of his time nor what he prioritizes.
So when are you going to write a piece on Biden's corruption in Ukraine????
Suderman grew up in Florida.
There is a difference between "growing up" and living somewhere.
"Suderman grew up in Florida" ,back when Democrats ran it.
Ultimately, the "common carrier" theory will be a winner. DeSantis needs to push it all the way to the Supreme Court.
It might make sense if applied to something like the ISP level of the Internet, but sites like Twitter are not common carriers — they are advertising supported social hangouts.
Much of what Perter Suderman writes is trash.
"But much of DeSantis' experience as an executive seems to consist of using state resources to bolster his political fortunes, with little benefit conferred to the people he's supposed to serve."
Based upon 2? 3 examples?
Based on Pedo Pete not liking the policies because they don't follow proggy orthodoxy regardless of their impact or reception in Florida.
Feel free to provide counterexamples instead of vague whining.
According to this shallow analysis, Desantis is just some guy who hates free speech and constitution and pulls stunts so he can stroke his ego. Not at all a man who stood up to covid tyranny, kept schools open, allowed disabled athletes to compete without vaccination, and responded to child grooming in schools.
Lincoln suspended habeas Corpus and returned runaway slaves. What terrible unlibertarian president he was, let's never elect the likes of him again (sarc)
The left and the open borders libertarians harp on his "stunt" because they badly need to deflect from what that "stunt" proved. Nimbyism and hypocrisy from the elites is the most obvious. But more important than that, it affirmed most Americans' attitude towards this issue. While they're typically in the middle in the immigration debate and have positive opinion on immigration, they're becoming concerned over the crash of humanity crowding their borders, being stuffed in detention centers, dying on the way here, and even adding to existing homeless population.
We're letting in enough people to fill mid sized cities, during a historic inflation and rise in crimes and homelessness. Americans do not dismiss this with "But that's FINE, immigration is good and will add to the economy". Most people understand that letting in thousands of people inside the country will impact qualities of like like traffic, housing, homelessness, etc, regardless of their contribution to the economy.
So when Reason writers write "Americans like immigration, so why won't we have more" it only shows their ideological blind spot. Don't you think that it's just a LITTLE WEIRD that a country with 80 millionish foreigners need MORE foreigners because jobs can't be filled?
Ideological blind spot or dishonesty?
This is why calling out reason's inconsistency and outright hypocrisy on the issues it watches is important. Others need to be aware of not just the image in the picture but the negative space as well.
It is also why a defense of their arguments is also important - though IIBH I increasingly find those defenses rather shallow.
Here, let me summarize 99% of the comments to this article:
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS????????????????????????????
Sarc already used this troll. Get a new attack.
So, can political stunts represent clarifying moments? Yes, yes they can.
So the MV stunt did absolutely clarify that a lot of Team Blue "sanctuary city" progressives are indeed NIMBY hypocrites on the issue, preferring to use migrants as tokens for virtue-signaling instead of doing something meaningful to help them when they are in need and on their doorstep. Yup.
But the clarification also cuts both ways.
The MV stunt ALSO clarified that Team Red views migrants as nothing but garbage human beings, refuse to be disposed of in someone else's backyard, that there is nothing wrong with manipulating them and exploiting them and preying on the desperation of penniless powerless migrants in order to make a political point and improve their political standing.
Team Blue is full of virtue-signaling hypocrites who treat migrants as objects, not people.
Team Red is full of xenophobic bigots who treat migrants like trash.
If this event does not convince you that both Team Red and Team Blue are garbage and should be thrown away themselves, what will? Why even try to defend the crap that either tribe spews? Especially when there is another way, one that is actually pro-liberty?
Heck, even I'd volunteer to be sent to Martha's Vineyard for free. And by private jet, no less! Count me in.
Right on!
The MV stunt ALSO clarified that Team Red views migrants as nothing but garbage human beings, refuse to be disposed of in someone else’s backyard, that there is nothing wrong with manipulating them and exploiting them and preying on the desperation of penniless powerless migrants in order to make a political point and improve their political standing
The only reference to 'refuse' was a leftist commentator who suggested that flying migrants to MV and dropping them off was equivalent to the commentator driving around throwing garbage everywhere. So even in referring to migrants as garbage you leftists are hypocrites.
DeSantis sent people who needed help to the people who proclaimed, loud and often, that they could help. TO a wealthy area, with available work, FROM an impoverished area with neither.
It was a stunt that was also an act of kindness. If the left weren't such a bunch of hypocritical bastards, it would just have been an act of kindness.
See, for it to Be a 'stunt', DeSantis had to know that the MV leftists would react the way they did. That Democrats would revert to xenophobic type.
And you did. And continue to do.
Not purposely tanking the FL economy is a "political stunt" we3 wish taht scumbag Newsom would have done in CA.
"Yet again, none of this apparently matters to DeSantis, who has repeatedly prioritized stunts over substance."
More importantly, though, none of this apparently matters to most of his voters; and that is the crux of the problem.
990-plus percent of Republican lawmakers, nationwide, have given up on governing; their interest is to supply traumatization to their politically traumatized voters, and, thus, continue traumatizing the country.
What we have figured out about conservatives (not all, but most) is: they most admire those who validate and affirm their politically traumatized worldview---one who validates that whites are being replaced by imported immigrants; whose kids are being turned gay by teachers; whose guns will be confiscated; whose country’s culture will be adulterated by gays and lesbians marrying; whose Christian religion is under attack; etc. etc.
And the ones who most validate and affirm (Trump, DeSantis, etc.) are labeled by conservatives as “fighters.” Anyone who makes a Faustian bargain to keep traumatized those who are hysterical and paranoid embodies failed leadership---not fighting intrepidity.
For more than half-a-century, the GOP has sold a politically traumatizing product centered upon gays/sex/marriage/male/Caucasian/Christian theocracy/racial animus (Obama hysteria, starting in 2007). Electing tolerant majorities is a good start, but only a start.
"Demographics is destiny."
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Emerging-Democratic-Majority/John-B-Judis/9780743254786
90-plus; not sure why, can't edit.
At least there's still some hope in a USA enforced by some courts.
Ron Desantis and many Republicans would be far better off battling the Nazi-Empire directly with the Supreme Law than trying to make their own socialist empire to conquer the Nazi-Empire.
Did the author really complain that the law was "suppressing speech"? Yes, public employees i.e. teachers, can absolutely be restricted in their speech, especially when it comes to talking to kids under 10 about sex. What is happening to Reason?
I find this “suppressing speech” whining to either reflect great ignorance or nearly unlimited dishonesty.
According to law, when you, as an employee speak, you speak as an AGENT (law term) for your employer. When your employer restricts your speech at work, he is NOT restricting your free speech but rather telling you how to express HIS free speech. When at work, you convey a message you know to be opposed by your employer, you are insubordinate and can be fired for cause. No unemployment for you, dismissed for just cause. He has not suppressed YOUR free speech, he has suppressed YOU putting words in HIS mouth.
On to the stupid “book banning”.
With the sole exception of the Library of Congress, every library in the United States is curated. Curation is the process of deciding what will be in, and what will be out. The books not included are not banned. In this country you can publish and sell nearly any book.
Curation is ultimately directed by the owner of the library, be that you in your home or the voters in the jurisdiction that owns the library.
So, in the case of the DeSantis, the people of the State of Florida, that own the school are dictating what they want said ON THEIR BEHALF and what they want available in the libraries THAT THEY OWN.
You can own and read books that the taxpayers chose not to purchase and provide. As employees you can exercise your free speech anywhere EXCEPT while in your place of business.
This concepts are not difficult people.
You must be new to politics.
Finally an edit button. At the rate Reason was going, Lou Reed was going to die first.
Also.
The fact he exposed Karen's Vineyard for the NIMBY hypocrites they are was eternally satisfying.
De Santis is the man. He's pushing back on ALL the bull shit the West faces.
Right-wingers keep doing victory laps, but the truth is his stunt failed to expose anything. The Venezuelans were fed pizza, put up for the night, and then, after nearly 48 hours on Martha’s Vineyard, delivered to helpful services.
The Vineyard may be crawling with xenophobic hypocrites, but DeSantis’s stunt failed to expose it.
Shitbag lefties keep trying to invent excuses, shitbag lefty.
fuck off and die, but please mark your grave so decent people can find a good place to take a piss, asshole
Of course, it was "almost 48 hours" because it took that long for them to get the National Guard to haul them off to a military base.
They lobbied the Governor almost immediately to get that to happen.
Welcome them into their homeless shelters... well not so much.
Help them find jobs in the community ... ahhh, no.
Immediately integrate them into Martha's Vineyard society ... well not this time.
Only 50 of them.
Communities FAR smaller and with MUCH smaller resources in Texas are dealing with more than that PER HOUR.
Yeah, liberals (progressives) are shit.
"Finally an edit button. At the rate Reason was going, Lou Reed was going to die first."
Ain't seen you in a while and I was certain I was gonna die first.
For Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, removing the tax burden of illegals from Florida tax payers is more important than pleasing ultra woke liberal TReason.com
DeSantis is almost worse than Hitler! I mean Trump! Hurpity derpity derp durrrr huurrrr!!!
Stupid article. What is the point other that to slam one side when both sides clearly prefer stunts over substance. The whole point of the Martha's Vineyard was to illustrate the ongoing stunt of virtue signaling while demonizing the other side.
Literally the closing sentence from another article simultaneously on this site:
"If pointing out the absurdity of such laws requires somewhat juvenile (but possibly truth-telling) Reddit stunts, so be it."
Couldn't we slap one on this article too?
"If pointing out the absurdity of liberals virtue signaling and ignoring U.S. laws requires somewhat juvenile (but possibly truth-telling) political stunts, so be it."
The author of this article is upset because DeSantis just exposed the hypocrisy of wealthy, east coast , virtue signaling, liberal elites.
In a nut shell that's what it was. DeSantis has the last laugh.
And no, ain't no corrupt sheriff in Texas going to do anything about it.
DeSantis exposed the hypocrisy of the liberal elites and there are those who are offended.
Awwww, too bad. Now curl up inside your safe space and suck your thumbs.
Yawn. And hypocritically declaring yourself as 'sanctuary' while deporting the unwashed is not a political stunt?
Not even paying to have them deported by your community. Getting the National Guard to do it and put them up on a military base!
The writer of this article thinks he will gain notoriety by bashing Gov. Ron DeSantis. Is MSNBC hiring again? No wait, I believe CNN+ is hiring but will change its name to CNN ++.
The "obvious First Amendment violations" are big tech censorship motivated not by private or market forces, but by government interference.
And the antidote to that is to kick people like Biden out of office and elect people like DeSantis.
The antidote to that is also for torch bearers for big, authoritarian government, like Reason, to either reform or disappear. I've done my part and canceled my subscription.