Trump's Document Trove Reportedly Included Information About a Foreign Nation's Nuclear Capabilities
"Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax," says the former president, who insists that nothing at Mar-a-Lago was actually classified.

The classified documents that the FBI seized at Mar-a-Lago on August 8 included information about a foreign nation's nuclear capabilities, according to a Washington Post report citing "people familiar with the matter." The Post adds that "some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them." The trove of more than 100 classified documents included material with markings so restrictive that FBI agents needed additional clearances to examine them.
Trump lawyer Christopher Kise condemned leaks about the nature of the purloined documents, saying they "continue with no respect for the process" or "any regard for the real truth," which "does not serve well the interests of justice." This week a federal judge in Miami approved Trump's request that a special master be appointed to review the documents with an eye toward material that might be covered by attorney-client privilege or executive privilege. Kise said "there is no reason to deviate from that path if the goal is, as it should be, to find a rational solution to document storage issues which have needlessly spiraled out of control."
The concession that the records seized by the FBI posed "document storage issues" is hard to reconcile with Trump's claim that he declassified all that material before leaving office. According to Trump, he had "a standing order" as president that automatically declassified anything he removed from the Oval Office to study at his residence in the White House.
Trump has not presented any documentation of that purported policy, which was news to national security officials who should have known about it. But taking him at his word, he decided that all the documents he took with him to Florida did not need to be classified, meaning that allowing general access to them would not pose a threat to national security. If so, it is hard to see why their presence at Mar-a-Lago would raise "document storage issues."
All told, Trump retained more than 300 documents that were marked as classified: 184 that were found in the 15 boxes that he turned over to the National Archives in January, 38 that his lawyers gave the FBI in June in response to a grand jury subpoena, and more than 100 that the FBI seized during its search last month. The Justice Department says the FBI found 76 of those documents in a basement storage room secured by a padlock, which means dozens were discovered elsewhere. According to the Justice Department, the other locations included desk drawers and "a container" in Trump's office. The markings on the documents ranged from "confidential" to "top secret," and the latter included "sensitive compartmented information," an especially restricted category.
Despite those markings, Trump insists, none of the records were actually classified. But even some of Trump's reliable allies do not seem impressed by that defense. "Why did he have all that secret stuff at Mar-a-Lago?" Fox and Friends co-host Steve Doocy wondered during an interview with South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem last week. Regarding Trump's claim about a "standing order" that no one seems to have seen, Doocy noted that it was "news to the agencies that those documents belong to."
Former Attorney General William Barr, a Trump appointee who alienated him after the 2020 presidential election by rejecting his fanciful claims of systematic voting fraud, is likewise unimpressed by the former president's excuses. "I can't think of a legitimate reason why [the documents] could be taken out of government, away from the government, if they are classified," Barr told Fox News last week. "The driver on this, from the beginning, was loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say [the FBI search] was unprecedented, but it's also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put [it] in a country club."
Barr noted that Trump's declassification claim suggests his treatment of sensitive information was remarkably cavalier. "I, frankly, am skeptical of this claim that 'I declassified everything,'" he said. "I think it's highly improbable." But "if in fact he sort of stood over scores of boxes, not really knowing what was in them, and said, 'I hereby declassify everything in here,' that would be such an abuse and show such recklessness that it's almost worse than taking the documents." And regardless of the documents' classification, Barr noted, they "still belong to the government and go to the archives" under the Presidential Records Act.
Whether the FBI's politically explosive search of a former president's home was justified, Barr said, depends on the nature of the documents that Trump retained and exactly how sensitive they were. But he said Trump's handling of the records was "clearly foolish" and "inexplicable." He added that the Justice Department "may well be able to make a case" that Trump committed federal felonies by retaining the records, resisting the government's efforts to recover them, and concealing the documents he still had after the handovers in January and June.
Government officials "jawboned for a year" with Trump's representatives, Barr noted. "They were deceived on the voluntary actions taken. They then went and got a subpoena. They were deceived on that, they feel, and the facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around. So how long do they wait?"
Barr said the Justice Department needs to ask whether "it really make sense to bring a case as a matter of prudential judgment," given "the fact that this is a former president," "the state of the nation," and "the fact that the government has gotten its documents back." The answer, he thinks, "will turn on how clear the evidence of obstruction or deceit is. If they clearly have the president moving stuff around and hiding stuff in his desk, and telling people to dissemble with the government, they may be inclined to bring that case."
In Trump's view, the evidence either does not matter or cannot be trusted. "Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax," he wrote on Truth Social after the Post published its story, "just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Same sleazy people involved."
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Ah, yes. Back to the days of breathlessly reporting on other news articles that are sourced based on anonymous whispers. I see you guys really learned your lesson after your Russiagate coverage.
The walls are definitely closing in this time.
Don't trust the FBI or DOJ, unless they're chasing Trump. - Reason Editors.
It's not an anonymous report that Trump's custodian of records lied regarding the subpoena order. In fact, nothing in the FBI's motion re: the special master was anonymous or a leak, so the two situations aren't analogous at all. Other than that, great point.
The classified documents that the FBI seized at Mar-a-Lago on August 8 included information about a foreign nation's nuclear capabilities, according to a Washington Post report citing "people familiar with the matter."
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Yes it is. They were asked about classified documents. The fbi warrant specifically says marked classified to convince idiots like you classified documents exist. It is carefully parsed innuendo and you fall for it.
The wapo article is the same. It talks about classified documents then switches to nuclear where the paragraph doesn't mention NSI markings.
"It's not an anonymous..."
One more TDS-addled asshole heard from.
I'm getting deja vu. I could have sworn this exact same story, with the exact same actors making word-for-word the exact same accusations, was breaking news a couple of weeks ago.
Pretty evil. Repeating new stories, naming the sources of said stories. How can our Republic stand with such sloppy political blogging.
There’s no named sources. That’s the point.
Either way, why is the DOJ releasing this information to WAPO?
Anonymous sources are named?
I should change my name to Anonymous Sources. Then I can sue everyone who attributes any information to me for slander and libel.
Given the decades of stories quoting "anonymous sources", I'm pretty sure that you'd count as a public figure.
If the FBI said it, that must be the whole truth. Unless and until they do the same sort of raid on every other ex President and you show me that they do not have a single classified document, this is nothing but a pathetic which hunt.
This raid happened over a month ago. Yet, somehow even though the FBI leaks everything, we didn't hear about this until now? They leaked the photo but didn't leak this information as well out of kindness or something. Yeah, that is what it is. They are not just making shit up and leaking it to propagandists at the Post and Reason whom they know will print anything without an ounce of credulity.
It took time to execute all the guys who accidentally read this super duper secret document..
And leaked the day after the judge ruled against them. Where the judge cited their leaking as a reason for her ruling.
don't you mean 'incredulity'?
And this WaPo anonymous source is going to turn out to be bullshit, just like every other WaPo anonymous source.
But Sullum and the WaPo won't mention that bit and will let the lie sit unchallenged in the minds of the bien pensants they're gaslighting.
Not one of them ever asks why the DOJ makes a big deal about how some of the documents are "marked" classified, but refuses to say that they ARE classified.
That's not fair to WaPo at all. Of course they'll mention it. When it finally becomes obvious to everyone that the anonymous source was lying, they'll go back to the original online article and "update" it in a way that mentions but minimizes the lie. But they won't tell anybody about it, and, as is the case with almost every online media source, the fact that the article was updated will be mentioned at the end of the article.
"people familiar with the matter."
Sounds like an open and shut case. Lock him up!
The classified documents that the FBI seized at Mar-a-Lago on August 8 included information about a foreign nation's nuclear capabilities
Is it Israel's secret nuclear capabilities? It's probably Israel's secret nuclear capabilities. I hopes it's Israel's secret nuclear capabilities! Have I said Israel's secret nuclear capabilities too much? Maybe they should label these the "Don't say Israel's Secret Nuclear Capabilities" papers so nobody gets confused about which country's secret nuclear program everybody knows about but nobody talks about.
Nuclear capabilities of foreign nations aren't exactly state secrets. Most of them proudly state that they've got nukes and they they will use nukes if anyone else uses them.
I would guess that it's either Israel or North Korea. No one else would be of any interest to anyone. However, it would be very much like this case to be a routine estimation of capabilities that you can get all the information for off Wikipedia.
Must be true!
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1/10. Way too much information for that little redacting.
The classified documents that the FBI seized at Mar-a-Lago on August 8 included information about a foreign nation's nuclear capabilities, according to a Washington Post report citing "people familiar with the matter.
So, basically these 'nuclear documents' have nothing to really do with the United States. That seems interesting.
Is it the media that was trying to spin this as U.S. nuclear secrets, or is it the 'people familiar with the matter'?
It could turn out that Trump fucked up on this one, but since we're fully into Boy Who Cried Wolf territory forgive me if I'm skeptical. The timing of this dragging into the elections is certainly a coincidence, I'm sure.
The documents were taken weeks ago. I think it can be safely assumed that the FBI can read and knows what they are. First it was "US Nuclear Secrets". That turned out to be bullshit. Now it is "Foreign nuclear secrets". We are supposed to believe that either the FBI some how didn't notice this or was mistaken when it leaked it was US nuclear secrets and somehow figured it out today and leaked the real truth to the Post.
Either that or they are just leaking whatever lies they can make up knowing that shameless propagandist hacks like Sullumn will repeat them as Gospel. I am going with that.
They did take trumps cocktail napkin when he met with NK leader. Probably said rocket man on it.
Maybe with a drawing of a little rocket on it.
Read "Blind Man's Bluff". Sometimes its important to know exactly what your friends and enemies CAN do - and how they intend to deploy. If your friends and enemies know they are predictable - they will change their tactics.
The US spends an inordinate amount of resources 'gaming' scenarios - finding weaknesses etc. The more accurate info you have, the more trustworthy your results are.
Bottom line - yes it is VERY important - and there is zero reason Trump should have that in his possession.
And there is zero credible evidence he did or that whatever he had was anything like you are imagining it to be.
Even if he did, are we to believe that someone would find them in that pile of papers and go do harm with the info? If he wanted to do something nefarious with it, would it still be in a box in the basement?
Zero evidence such information is secret or even exists.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled pile of shit.
Blind Man's Bluff is a good read.
Here's a problem with "classification".
In 1983 I was in a Navy Anti-submarine helicopter squadron. I'm supposed to give a briefing on the capabilities of two classes of Soviet submarines. The documents I'm using as reference for the briefing are marked "Top Secret". On the desk beside them is a copy of Popular Mechanics with an article stating the exact same information that is in the documents. If I were to have gone out that evening and discussed those submarines with friends of mine, did I violate national security? If I hadn't seen the article, I would have violated security. If I mentioned nothing but the information in the article, I didn't violate security.
It's a big gray area. Several years ago the Navy charged a sailor with violating security because he took pictures of the Control Room of a nuclear submarine. The pictures showed nothing that was classified. The Navy admitted it. You can watch a YouTube video that shows the exact same Control Room. That video is not considered a security violation. The sailor was charged with violating a security procedure.
This can come back to bite the Democrats in the ass. Go ahead, charge Trump. Set the precedent. Hilary is making noises about running in 2024. There's documented information that she violated security procedure as well. There's a lot better case against her than there is against Trump.
Unfortunately, the fact that something classified is out in the open doesn't make it unclassified, so discussing it or treating it like it was would still be a violation.
Doesn't make too much sense, but it is in the mindset of not confirming the classified material.
That's an awful lot of word salad to say that you'll find any reason to let Trump off the hook for anything he does.
I disagree. When we are talking nuclear war, everyone needs to be very predictable. Yes, you have nukes. I know you do, and you know I know, and I know that you know. Now, let's talk nicely and politely away from the apocalypse buttons.
We know there is no winning a nuclear war, and so normal strategic concerns fall away.
Umm, there can be more than one “nuclear document” covering more than one topic in the Mar-a-Lago cache. Nobody said this was the only nuclear-related document.
There could be crossword puzzles completed in ink too.
There can also be zero and this is yet another false anonymous report of many the last 6 years.
How do other country’s nuclear weapons have “nothing to do” with the United States? They might use those weapons on us, or use them on some other country triggering nuclear escalation. Our spies might be revealed if the document leaks.
Why this deep need to excuse Trump for an egregious security breech.
Instead of asking for actual facts as you claim to do you've already determined guilt. Just like Rittenhouse. Just like with j6 cop killers.
Why?
Those are his orders. It’s the democrat way.
Because White Mike is a horrible partisan cunt?
The source will always be unnamed because of national security. And we'll never see the evidence because it's classified. The most we'll ever get is a bunch of documents that are redacted so much that they're meaningless. They can say anything they want, because as long as it's super top secret G14 classified national security information, they never have to present any evidence. We just have to take their word for it.
Remember when Reason was against the government using super top secret G14 classified national security as an excuse to violate individual liberty?
They do have something to do with USA, sources and methods.
But yes call me skeptical of anomous leaks, doubly so before the midterms.
Because #TrumpDocuments is the biggest scandal in the history of the universe, we already know Orange Hitler will be in prison before the 2024 election. The nomination will therefore be a two-person contest: the vile fascist Ron DeSantis vs. the heroic patriot Liz Cheney. And it's no secret who Reason.com's benefactor Charles Koch prefers.
#LizCheney2024
#PutTheNeoconsBackInCharge
Good to see you staying on the top of your game.
So Jacob is saying he thinks he finally found something on Trump that isn’t a hoax.
Jacob hasn’t figured out that the democrats are Lucy holding a football, and he’s Charlie Brown.
With Lucy relentlessly stating that Charlie Brown has never once attempted to kick the football before.....
I'd say the F.B.I is as trustworthy as a 2 dollar whore,but, I'd be insulting whore's.
A $2 whore is honest about the price and gives value in return for the money. That is more than you can say about the FBI or Sullumn.
WALLZ ER CLOZIN N!
Trump seems to be Jacob Gollum's Precious.
Sullum, your TDS is really getting embarrassing man. WaPo anonymous sources? Really?
'...people familiar with the matter....' What does that even mean? They heard about the story on the radio? Everyday Reason makes the National Enquirer the pillar of journalism.
I’m sorry, but if tippety-top secret information - so confidential that only a handful of human beings are even look at it, let alone possess it - can walk out of the White House this easily, without at least half a dozen security precautions being activated, then we have a security problem far more serious than Donald Trump’s shenanigans.
This
Well, now it is all in such good hands that people are looking at it and blabbing about the content of these super top secret documents to the press.
Good job FBI, keeping those national secrets safe.
And, again, not just walked out, but walked out and stayed out with such wreckless abandon that it makes my local public library look like it's run by Mossad or the KGB.
It’s not Dear Leader’s fault!!!
Is there any IC cock you wont suck?
That’s not what he said, at all.
Goddamn you’re such a piece of shit.
Trump might go to prison? Let me check.... Nope, I don't care.
I don't think it will happen but good riddance if it does.
Surely we can do better than Trump or Biden.... Right?
That is right. If you don't like the guy, it is okay if the government goes after him. That whole rule of law and truth and justice stuff is just bullshit. Better to just be a mindless drone. Dumb ass.
Fuck off and die, con_fuse9. The world needs fewer TDS-addled piles of shit like you.
We could indeed. Americans have to let go of the idea that they have to settle for the lesser of two evils.
When the gap is so far apart no they don't. But keep pretending biden is not doing anything bad as you only attack trump.
Jesus Haploid Christ, Sullum. Go see a doctor about your foaming-at-the-mouth level of TDS. You're embarrassing yourself.
-jcr
Fuck off and die, Sullum. The world needs fewer TDS-addled piles of shit like you.
Joe Biden has nude pictures on Marilyn Monroe on his Tandy Color Computer. Reliable sources told me.
Pretty sure it’s just Leisure Suit Larry on an Apple II-e.
"Trump, he had "a standing order" as president that automatically declassified anything he removed from the Oval Office to study at his residence in the White House. Trump has not presented any documentation of that purported policy, which was news to national security officials"
Except that they have already admitted slow walking that order, even Reason has reported on that in the past. maybe the writer needs to read articles by other people at Reason
Even if there isn't record of it, it seems extremely hard to actually prove that he didn't. When he had access to everything for 4 years, it will be impossible to prove after the fact that he shouldn't have it now. We're not talking about him sneaking "nuclear secrets" or whatever made up scary thing we're afraid of this week that he didn't have full legal access to.
It doesn't require written documentation. Egan vs Navy 88
I should add for the president.
How could anybody have confessed to “slow walking” an order she said order has not been shown to have ever existed.
Are you confusing Trump’s specific declassification order for certain Russiagate documents with his made-up story about a standing order? They are two different things.
Cite on made up? Multiple people have confirmed it. So I assume you have a source to contradict them.
So far, I've heard that the Maga-Lago documents were planted, were declassified, rightly belonged to Trump, were going to be handed over eventually so why the raid? that some were covered by executive or attorney-client privilege, the nuclear secrets were already known by the country whose secrets we had so no big deal, and in any event the Secret Service would be on hand to stop anyone breaking in and stealing them.
Do these Trumpsuckers not have the cojones to say what they really feel, namely, to use Nixon's formulation, "if Trump does it, it's not illegal"?
So far you've bought every hoax about him as truth. Shrike, most people learn after at least the 2nd time they were wrong.
Bugger off, serf.
I've heard every excuse I list in the first para - and I suspect you've provided one or two yourself.
Trump himself has admitted having the documents, only recently raised the declassification excuse, did not earlier claim ownership, etc. If there had been no handing over and just a raid, perhaps some of Trump's piteous and pitiful whingeing would be merited. But after two rounds of handing over of documents (and a denial of any more docs by one of his lawyers) over an 18-month period, anything he comes up with now to explain why he still had even more documents is unmitigated bullshit.
It wouldn't surprise me if the moment Trump says they were planted, you believed it. You might even have posted it. And ditto his declassification claims - which contradict the planting claims, etc.
So far, I've heard TDS-addled piles of lefty shit think "Maga-Lago" is clever repartee'.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
His team raised it months ago dumbass. This isn't the first time he has said it, nor his team.
When you start an argument from ignorance at the outset you're setting yourself up for a really ignorant argument.
Imagine having to be Trump’s lawyer. You would spend all day, every day just pleading with him to please stop talking.
Admitting that it would be really damningly bad if it were true is the first step towards realizing that you've been taken for a ride by the Chris Chan of presidents.
That’s why it’s so important to focus on this being an anonymously sourced story. To qualm that little voice in the back of one’s head whispering that maybe one shouldn’t have spent the past six years praising and defending a grifter.
6 years of being lied to and falling for every hoax and you persist believing it. Why?
Problem is that there were no hoaxes. Most of Trump's problems were from his own words. We have transcripts of him extorting the Ukrainian government. Recordings of him soliciting for election fraud in Georgia. In his latest book Paul Manafort admits to giving election information to the Russians. We are also finding more and more Trump loyalist involved in election fraud and tampering. Recent video shows Cathy Latham leading associates of Trump lawyers into a polling site just before it was breached.
There are no hoaxes in reality just in some people's imagination.
God damn the leftists are straight morons these days. There were no hoaxes? Lol.
Just the facts deal with them.
Lol. What facts? What you post was denial of reality.
"We have transcripts of him extorting the Ukrainian government."
No, Biden did so. Biden said, EXPLICITLY, you will not get the money (which was already passed by Congress) unless you fire this prosecutor.
Trump asked him to check into it.
Amazing that Biden is not guilty of a blatant quid pro quo but Trump is for one that he did not commit.
"Recordings of him soliciting for election fraud in Georgia."
False.
"In his latest book Paul Manafort admits to giving election information to the Russians."
Trump's fault...how?
Is it a quid pro quo if his piece of shit son is making millions off the Biden name in Ukraine?
Stuff your TDS up your ass, shitpile.
"Admitting that it would be really damningly bad if it were true is the first step towards realizing that you've been taken for a ride by the Chris Chan of presidents."
If Obama was not a citizen, that would have been bad. That is the first step towards realizing that you've been taken for a ride by the Chris Chan of Presidents.
>>information about a foreign nation's nuclear capabilities
these words mean little.
Like "mostly peaceful" and "assault rifle", and "disinformation", they are a key indicator of bullshit.
Jake shouldn't fall for such obvious sensationalism
Fall? Really, fall?
More like a full gainer with a one and a half twist.
lolz a frightening & hilarious image
Today: "Here's a gossipy article from the Washington Post citing an anonymous source saying mean things about Trump and/or Republicans. Since I can't independently verify the claims made in this article I will assume they are lies. Man, they are a bunch of left-wing partisan hacks with no journalistic standards for publishing this crap!"
Tomorrow: "Here's a gossipy article from the New York Post citing an anonymous source saying mean things about Biden and/or Democrats. Even though I can't independently verify the claims made in this article I will assume they are true. Thank heavens we have a functioning journalistic enterprise in this country run by True Patriots(tm) willing to stand up to the tyranny of Brandon's fascism!"
Spot on.
Yeah, because this is just gossip not a malicious leak from a federal law enforcement agency or something. God you are a fucking moron.
But I CAN independently verify the NYP article. It names names. It has the video, the laptop, the diary.
That's the point.
"Information about a foreign nation's nuclear capabilities" could be the number of Trident submarines operated by the UK or the war plans and launch codes for Russian nuclear missiles along with the identities of the spies who provided them.
Could also be Israel or North Korea or...well probably not Andorra.
Or it could be the color of paint on the nosecone. Let's just guess shit and one of us is bound to have the answer?! Let's argue about probably made up shit, from one side or the other, because this is clearly the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE ever! I have a thought, let's see if anyone comes up with irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing, then discuss that afterwards. Anonymous sources...are as useless as tits on a tomcat.
No blog is attached to this sockpuppet's fake name. Is this an example of to quoque or of the difference between assertions and arguments?
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I have an unnamed, reliable, highly placed, confidential source familiar with the subject that heard someone in an adjacent restroom stall say those documents detail how much Hunter will get in Iranian contracts once his deal ol' daddy signs the Iranian nuke deal.
Remember that time Obama gave Britain's nuclear secrets to Vladimir Putin, and absolutely nobody gave a fuck? Good times, good times...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-administration-trade-british-nuclear-secrets-with-russia
Who was president at the time?
Oh. So giving them away is better than having them in a locked room even if he does have them. Just like Clinton with China?
This is embarrassing for you shrike. You say trump can't declassify information as president but Obama can hand over intel?
You've basically ignored every claim and piece if information that wasn't an anonymous source in wapo.
Bugger off, serf. Your argument is confused - perhaps with you, as with Pedo, er, Sevo, your spirochaetes are working overtime.
Eat shit and die, lefty shitpile.
This is just embarrassing shrike. Keep rationalizing the defense for leftists. While claiming being neutral. Such an ignorant child.
That's a nice little loophole you've carved out.
One had documents behind lock and key. Another freely gave secrets away of our closest ally to a brutal authoritarian dictator.
But thank you for admitting that the president can unilaterally declassify any document. That's very helpful.
I never denied that the president can unilaterally declassify - while he is president. There are even earlier posts from me on this site saying as much.
The issue is whether Trump declassified the documents as he claimed he did. All we have is his word, and against that we have plenty of reasons to suppose he's lying. But some of you are so pathologically gullible you'd believe him.
Of course, your link provides little context to the circumstances under which Obama disclosed that info. So we still get no grounds for a genuine comparison. But the attempt at whataboutism is SOP of course.
"Whataboutism" is constantly invoked as a defense to rank hypocrisy.
It's interesting that your intellectual curiosity ends at the effort of clicking a link. Maybe if you cared to find out, you'd know pretty readily why Obama (who despised the UK) felt it necessary to give Putin the UKs nuclear secrets, against their objections. I'm sure there's a great reason. It's unfortunate that nobody in the media cared because he's the God-King Obama.
Glad to know there's so many Einsteins here in the Reason comment section.
""Whataboutism" is constantly invoked as a defense to rank hypocrisy."
Especially by TDS-addled piles of lefty shit.
The problem is that the idiot leftists here don't understand that when pointing out selective principles and hypocrisy examples of them switching arguments undermines their defense against it.
Somebody explain to Green Diapers the difference between assertions and arguments. Or hand the creature something by Robert Anton Wilson (whose credentials aren't imaginary)
You have his word and his teams word saying such months before the raid. But you ignore this. Because you're a leftist gaslighting dumbass.
You've also switched the norms of our justice system to have trump prove his innocence. Because you're also an authoritarian piece of shit shrike.
The exact rhetorical term is tu quoque.
"Same sleazy people involved."
Well, he's right about that.
An anymous source told me sullum is a child rapist and murderer. The FBI should lock him up
"Libertarian" bends over backward yet again to defend unprecedented, intrusive raid by dozens of FBI agents on home of current regime's opposition leader.
The Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute. The government is not entitled to a search warrant if it is violated. It doesn't matter how "cavalier" the President was in treating documents. The government must allege probable cause of a crime to get a search warrant, which it did. Did the government lie? The libertarians at Reason don't much care.
In the universe the defenders of this raid live in, copiers don't exist, but the President is entitled to declassify anything and retain copies if he wishes.
Do you understand the implications of what it means to declassify a document. It means it is now public knowledge, can be requested by FOIA.
If Trump really had a standing order to declassify all these top secret documents it would mean he is utterly irresponsible and incompetent, and should never be re-elected.
It would be just as bad or worse than if he were lying about declassifying they documents. (He is obviously lying about it, by the way.)
Which part in your muttering was a crime?
You misspelled "completely legal".
"Do you understand the implications of what it means to declassify a document. It means it is now public knowledge, can be requested by FOIA."
Do any of you idiots read prior case law regarding this, or do you just spout off ignorant shit you read on Twitter? Is it your contention that bureaucratic red tape negates a President's order to declassify a document?
LIBERTARIANS FOR STATE SECRETS!!
A President who decides to declassify everything would be a hero.
What's the simplest answer to how these documents came to Mar-a-Lago? Trump probably told some aides to gather up a bunch of documents and pack them off to Florida for eventual review and placement in his best ever presidential library . Trump probably had no idea what they took, what was in the boxes, or even what he intended to do with the documents. But his ego won't admit that, carelessly, "I had no idea what my minions scooped up" so now we have to go through this theater where every document needs to be scrutinized, reported to death, and speculated over what evil Trump intended to do with it.
Your suggestion that Trump is a slob and just had everything thrown into boxes when he left makes sense. What doesn't make sense is where was the Chief of Staff. Mark Meadows should have been on this and seen that the only thing the President left with is what he was entitled to take. The documents whether classified or not were not President Trump's they belonged to the American people and the National Archives is the agency responsible for holding these for the people. Trump should have handed them back immediately when asked. Meadows should be explaining why they left in the first place. Meadows has a responsibility to the President he serves and to the Office of the Presidency. He failed the later.
In your world the chief of staff packs boxes? Lol.
Don't be daft. The President's chief of staff runs the office and should know what going on. He should be one of the few people that stand up to the President and say "Mr. President you cannot do that". All Presidents need that person who can tell them what the limits are. Meadows should have known what was going on and put a stop to it.
So yes. You think the chief of staff packs boxes.
I guess if that what it takes to do the job. My boss never had to stand over me to check everything I did, but maybe it was different in the Trump White House.
I would personally let Donald Trump rape my family because freedom.
I am not a submissive cuck.
Both sentences are wrong.
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Tony is a better troll.
Is there any outcome adverse to Orange National Socialism the Don DOESN'T interpret as a hoax? Any minute now I expect his Trilbys and minions to swear under oath Gary Johnson's four million votes in 2016 (which cost the Don the popular vote win) were robbed from the Grabbers Of Pussy.
According to Trump, he had "a standing order" as president that automatically declassified anything he removed from the Oval Office...But taking him at his word, he decided that all the documents he took with him to Florida did not need to be classified
When Trump says they were declassified it is not the same thing as him saying they did not need to be classified. But I suspect Sullum knows this. He certainly should.
Right now the smart money is on quietly waiting to see where all this goes and being thought the fool, rather than putting your foot in your mouth and removing all doubt, like Sullum and the fifty centers. My question is, what was Trump up to? I am not seeing a lot of rational theories on why he would deliberately engage in criminal behavior.
Sullum didn’t say Trump is a criminal.
No he didn't say Trump is a criminal.
He didn't say it extremely loudly.
So loudly that it's almost difficult to realize that he didn't say it.
Sounds like all the documents in Trumps possession could fit in the back of a full size SUV.
The Zero had at least two full size 18 wheeler loads of documents shipped to Chicago for storage in a bog standard warehouse with no additional security provisions.
Mar a Lago: Gated and fenced community with human security controlling access in and out. Staff on duty in the residence.
Warehouse in Chicago: Keypad gate control and a remote office.
And please do not have the temerity to even attempt to convince me that all of the documents shipped to Chicago didn't have security level stampings on them.
It’s been about three weeks since NARA explained that the Obama-related documents in Chicago are in their control, not in Obama’s possession.
Are you still repeating a debunked talking point because you don’t know that, or because you are dishonest.
I like numbers, so I took the detailed list of items seized by the FBI and did some numerical analysis. Out of the 13,100 items listed as seized:
33 were books
90 were empty file folders, most marked secret - those are the ones you see in memes
19 were items of clothing (Merrick Garland must have wanted a new dress)
1,673 were magazine or newspaper articles (really have to keep foreign nations from seeing those)
11,285 were US government documents or photos (no breakdown between the two)
Of those 11,285 documents and photos:
18 were Top Secret
54 were Secret
31 were Confidential
all the rest were unclassified/public release
Going back to Comey's July 2016 presentation, the FBI found on Hillary's unsecured server 8 email chains marked Top Secret. From his other statement that there were 52 email chains marked Secret or Top Secret with a total of 110 emails, that would likely be around 16-18 Top Secret emails. And remember that the FBI only recovered a portion of Hillary's emails, with 11 out of 13 devices on which she had her email having been lost.
MAGAt cultists, thanks for the full display of your cuck mental illness. This guy steals docs form the WH - none of them are his unless they refer to only personal matters - and many of them top secret and worth money to the right buyers and you make excuses for him, as if he ever demonstrated behavior not strictly in his own self interest and without regard for his willing marks - that's you. It's embarrassing guys, but hey, you have each other! You surely don't have him. He'd drop you faster than Jeff Sessions if you caused him the least inconvenience and if he ever had you.
It's Israel. Again. It's always Israel.
MAGA Grand Goblins and Silver Shirts assure me the real current President's motives were altruistic and good: to pack more girl-bulliers into the Suprema Corte, have more nay... er... African-Americans, Latinos and hippies jailed, robbed and shot over plant leaves and to wreck furrin economies with asset forfeiture laws to make longer lines at the border to sneak into These States. None of his voters are into individual rights, so why bother with trivia?