'The Government Needed a Scapegoat': 75-Year-Old Man Charged With Opioid Conspiracy Cleared
Plus: FIRE sues to stop the Stop WOKE Act, processing times for skilled immigrants skyrocket, and more...

A small blow against Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) overreach. James Barclay was an accounts receivable manager for the wholesale pharmaceutical distributor Miami-Luken. The feds said doing his job made him a drug dealer worthy of criminal prosecution.
"I was indicted because the DEA failed to do their job, and the government needed a scapegoat after the publicity of the opioid problems in West Virginia," he wrote in an August 25 letter to Judge Matthew W. McFarland of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio.
Barclay, now 75, retired from Miami-Luken in 2015. Four years later, he was charged with conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance.
The DEA and federal prosecutors said Barclay was guilty of conspiring with his employer to illegally distribute opioid pills in Indiana, Ohio, Tennessee, and West Virginia. Miami-Luken was accused of distributing oxycodone and hydrocodone pills to doctors and pharmacies "not for a legitimate medical purpose." And Barclay—whose job involved assisting with filling out compliance paperwork and responding to DEA inquiries—was charged with failing to "maintain effective controls against diversion of controlled substances" and to "report suspicious orders to the DEA." Essentially, the government said Barclay should have known some doctors were writing illegitimate prescriptions or that patients were abusing them and then acted to stop it.
But Barclay says he never had the authority to stop an order from shipping, label an order as suspicious, or report anything to the DEA. "Plus, for some half dozen times I requested guidance from the DEA on controlled drug issues, the DEA's only response was 'We can't tell you how to run your business, it's a business decision,' if they responded at all," he stated.
For years, Barclay has been fighting to clear his name—and it finally paid off. In August, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio granted a motion to dismiss the charges against Barclay and vacate his previously entered guilty plea (made under the threat of 20 years in prison if he went to court and no prison time if he pleaded out).
The decision came after federal prosecutors moved on August 2 to "dismiss the Indictment against all remaining defendants in this case, without prejudice," under the stipulation that they agree not to bring lawsuits against the prosecutors, the DEA, or other law enforcement agencies involved in the investigation and prosecution. It's unclear what made the government give up on the charges, but turnover at the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio's office seemed to play a role, with new U.S. Attorney Kenneth Parker rejecting charges brought by his predecessor. Judge McFarland has now dismissed the charges against all defendants (one of whom died during the case).
While this story has a happy ending, Barclay still had several years of his life stolen over a desperately overzealous attempt at drug law enforcement. "I had a mugshot taken, I was fingerprinted, I was put into a holding cell, and then I was shackled like the criminals seen on TV and escorted to the courtroom," wrote Barclay in his letter. "This case has affected our entire family" and "taken over our lives for the last three years."
"Never in my 75 years, as an Army veteran and a law-abiding citizen, did I ever think that this could happen in our country," he added.
Barclay's story is part of a larger ploy by the DEA, federal prosecutors, and state attorneys general to hold all sorts of intermediaries responsible for people's opioid addictions. The individuals and businesses caught in this drug war deluxe scheme have wildly varying degrees of culpability. They include pharmaceutical companies, distributors, medical practices, and pharmacies. Some have been obviously guilty of malfeasance, but others are being held responsible for not anointing themselves de facto drug cops.
For instance, Walgreens was recently found liable for San Francisco's drug problems in a civil suit. It accused the pharmacy not of filling illegitimate prescriptions or otherwise illegally distributing opioid pills but of failing to divine which doctors had prescribed too liberally or which patients might abuse their prescriptions.
As Barclay's case shows, even random employees of companies involved in opioid pill distribution can fall into the DEA's crosshairs. (It's about "holding accountable anyone and everyone with criminal responsibility for the diversion of drugs," Benjamin Glassman, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Ohio, said in 2019.)
The whole thing smacks of authorities frantically looking for folks to blame, scapegoating any entity who came near legal opioid pills in a bid to wring money, accolades, and good press out of their prosecution as the opioid crisis raged on unabated. All the while, drug war policies—like making prescription painkillers harder to get and intensifying the crackdown on people who used them—only fueled a massive market in illegal opioids, like heroin and fentanyl, that have proven more destructive and deadly.
William J. "Bill" Hughes, Barclay's lawyer, told the Cincinnati Enquirer this was a test case for prosecuting pharmaceutical drug distributors.
However, he explained that the companies like Miami-Luken have no access to patients, prescriptions or the doctors who wrote them. They only ship drugs to entities registered with the DEA and the DEA can monitor all shipments between distributors and pharmacies in real-time. …
Hughes said the DEA had issued a letter to Miami-Luken and other companies like it saying the companies were responsible not only for knowing what their customers were doing, but what their customers' customers were doing. And it had no basis in law, Hughes said.
The idea that an accounts receivable manager at a wholesale drug distributor should interfere with the relationship between doctors, patients, and pharmacies and make his own determinations about the legitimacy of prescriptions is just weird. Alas, it's the world that federal authorities seemingly want us to live in.
FREE MINDS
"You can't censor your way to free speech." The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) is suing Florida:
BREAKING: We're challenging Florida's unconstitutional "Stop WOKE Act."
Because you can't censor your way to free speech.https://t.co/ufhLwneTyf
— FIRE (@TheFIREorg) September 6, 2022
FREE MARKETS
The U.S. immigration system is broken, part 8 billion.
From something I'm working on. The median processing time for major employment-related immigration forms filed with USCIS by fiscal year. (2022 is just for the first two FY quarters).
Processing times have skyrocketed for ALL forms of legal high-skilled immigration. pic.twitter.com/cfdBUvsbzK
— Daniel Di Martino ???????????????? (@DanielDiMartino) September 6, 2022
FOLLOWUP
A document pertaining to foreign nuclear capabilities was reportedly among those that former President Donald Trump had stored at Mar-a-Lago, which were seized by the FBI. And "some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them," reports The Washington Post. "Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation."
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— Kaleigh Rogers (@KaleighRogers) September 6, 2022
• In Head Start—the program of subsidized preschools and child care programs for low-income families—"mandatory masking rules are still on the books for teachers and children as young as 2-years-old," reports The New York Times.
• While acknowledging no wrongdoing, Juul has agreed to settle for $438.5 million with the dozens of states who sued the company and accused it of deliberately marketing to kids.
• The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the ACLU of Ohio, and Planned Parenthood Federation of America are suing to stop an Ohio law banning abortion around six weeks of pregnancy.
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A small blow against Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) overreach.
This is how the DEA sees losing the drug war.
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The regime of censorship being imposed on the internet – by a consortium of DC Dems, billionaire-funded "disinformation experts," the US Security State, and liberal employees of media corporations – is dangerously intensifying in ways I believe are not adequately understood.
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A series of "crises" have been cynically and aggressively exploited to inexorably restrict the range of permitted views, and expand pretexts for online silencing and deplatforming. Trump's election, Russiagate, 1/6, COVID and war in Ukraine all fostered new methods of repression.
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During the failed attempt in January to force Spotify to remove Joe Rogan, the country's most popular podcaster – remember that? – I wrote that the current religion of Western liberals in politics and media is censorship: their prime weapon of activism.
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But that Rogan failure only strengthened their repressive campaigns. Dems routinely abuse their majoritarian power in DC to explicitly coerce Big Tech silencing of their opponents and dissent. This is *Govt censorship* disguised as corporate autonomy.
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There's now an entire new industry, aligned with Dems, to pressure Big Tech to censor. Think tanks and self-proclaimed "disinformation experts" funded by Omidyar, Soros and the US/UK Security State use benign-sounding names to glorify ideological censorship as neutral expertise.
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The worst, most vile arm of this regime are the censorship-mad liberal employees of big media corporations (@oneunderscore__, @BrandyZadrozny, @TaylorLorenz, NYT tech unit). Masquerading as "journalists," they align with the scummiest Dem groups (@mmfa) to silence and deplatform.
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It is astonishing to watch Dems and their allies in media corporations posture as opponents of "fascism" - while their main goal is to *unite state and corporate power* to censor their critics and degrade the internet into an increasingly repressive weapon of information control.
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A major myth that must be quickly dismantled: political censorship is not the by-product of autonomous choices of Big Tech companies. This is happening because DC Dems and the US Security State are threatening reprisals if they refuse. They're explicit:
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But the worst is watching people whose job title in corporate HR Departments is "journalist" take the lead in agitating for censorship. They exploit the platforms of corporate giants to pioneer increasingly dangerous means of banning dissenters. *These* are the authoritarians.
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This is the frog-in-boiling-water problem: the increase in censorship is gradual but continuous, preventing recognition of how severe it's become. The EU now legally *mandates censorship of Russian news. They've made it *illegal* for companies to air it.
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So many new tactics of censorship repression have emerged in the West: Trudeau freezing bank accounts of tucker-protesters; Paypal partnering with ADL to ban dissidents from the financial system; Big Tech platforms openly colluding in unison to de-person people from the internet.
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All of this stems from the classic mentality of all would-be tyrants: our enemies are so dangerous, their views so threatening, that everything we do – lying, repression, censorship – is noble. That's what made the Sam Harris confession so vital: that's how liberal elites think.
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This is why I regard the Hunter Biden scandal as uniquely alarming. The media didn't just "bury" the archive. CIA concocted a lie about it (it's "Russian disinformation"); media outlets spread that lie; Big Tech censured it -- because lying and repression to them is justified!
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The authoritarian mentality that led CIA, corporate media and Big Tech to lie about the Biden archive before the election is the same driving this new censorship craze. It's the hallmark of all tyranny: "our enemies are so evil and dangerous, anything is justified to stop them."
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How come **not one media outlet** that spread this CIA lie – the Hunter Biden archive was "Russian disinformation" – retracted or apologized? This is why: they believe they are so benevolent, their cause so just, that lying and censorship are benevolent.
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The one encouraging aspect: as so often happens with despotic factions, they are triggering and fueling the backlash to their excesses. Sites devoted to free speech – led by Rumble, along with Substack, Callin, and others – are exploding in growth.
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But as these free speech platforms grow and become a threat, the efforts to crush them also grow – exactly as @AOC, other Dems and their corporate media allies successfully demanded Google, Apple and Amazon destroy Parler when it became the single most-popular app in the country
It continues for a while. One of the best threads ever posted on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1567290905039708160
This is a topic Reason should be reporting on, but they more often than not defend it as private companies. Soft corporate fascism is real.
"More often than not" has slowly translated to "Starting to notice."
The key event seems to be the recent revelations from the GOP AGs. However, this shift finally began over the last year.
Yeah, but I didn't see Greenwald make a long list of citations to support his claims even though they're easily verifiable, and I've heard conservatives want books about adults having sex with minors removed from school libraries, so....both sides?
"I wrote that the current religion of Western liberals in politics and media is censorship: their prime weapon of activism."
It's more than censorship; it's the imposition of an ideological vision for society by any means necessary. Violating all norms, and all those mythical Constitutional principles, is fully justified.
Meanwhile, the social media platforms acted as direct agents of the government to censor views that dissented from the government position.
The U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana issued a ruling today of vast importance for the millions of Americans who have experienced government-induced censorship on social media and for all Americans who care about the First Amendment. Judge Terry A. Doughty ordered Dr. Anthony Fauci and White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre to respond to document requests by the New Civil Liberties Alliance in conjunction with the Missouri and Louisiana attorneys general on behalf of plaintiffs in State of Missouri ex rel. Schmitt, et al. v. Joseph R. Biden, Jr., et al.
The breadth and extent of the government’s censorship activities has turned out to be massive, and far exceeded that disclosed by the federal government in response to initial court-ordered discovery made public last week. Instead, the scope of this censorship enterprise was divulged by social media companies in response to the court order, and revealed that nearly a dozen federal agencies and around 100 federal officials have been working behind the scenes to suppress private speech through pressure exerted on social media companies for years. NCLA is representing plaintiffs—two of whom are world-renowned epidemiologists—who had been censored on social media for publicly expressing views about Covid-19 that diverged from the White House’s approach.
https://instapundit.com/541209/
Reason continues to ignore this lawsuit and pretend that the facts it is revealing don't exist. I hope the tech companies' checks to the reason foundation are large, because reason is certainly proving itself to be a very good date, whatever the price.
They ignored Berensons discovery for the most part as well. They will only talk about censorship that targets hooked and trans activists.
And they will never admit that social media platforms and big tech are the biggest threat to free speech in this country. I would say that reason thinks private companies can do no wrong but that would give them too much credit. The only reason they don't have a problem with big tech is because it is run by leftists who largely censor views reason doesn't like. If big tech were run by evangelical Christians and censoring things reason liked, reason would absolutely see the dangers of big tech censorship.
There is a large branch of libertarians who see only government as being an abusive nexus of power and ignore all other abuses.
Yes there are. Reason is actually below them. Those people at least have principles. Reason has no principles and would turn on the tech companies in a minute if they started censoring the wrong things.
Reason believes private companies can do harm…….. if they support Trump.
And, schools restricting age inappropriate material. Or, as Reason calls it, banning books.
Yeah, but Trump had some papers marked "secret"!
A major myth that must be quickly dismantled: political censorship is not the by-product of autonomous choices of Big Tech companies. This is happening because DC Dems and the US Security State are threatening reprisals if they refuse. They're explicit:
I've pointed this out mutiple times here, but it bears repeating: these companies got to be as big as they did, because the government ALLOWED them to do so, and in many cases provided the venture capital through their own agencies, or their proxies, to build these companies up so the government could exploit their platforms for the purposes of unaccountable surveillance and data-mining.
Want to know why Gawker ultimately was taken down, despite them parroting the Current Year propaganda on a daily basis? Because they fucked up and their people went after one of the surveillance state's Made Men, Peter Thiel, without permission from the government to do so. Gawker was hosed once Thiel began bankrolling Hogan's lawsuit, and I wouldn't be shocked if the outcome was predetermined after he got involved.
Now yes, the vast majority of employees at these companies are shitlibs and are the ones influencing the internal culture; but it's the government driving the bus here. When they bring these CEOs before Congress, it's an implicit threat that these companies will be destroyed if they don't comply.
As usual Glenn nails it. It's so bizarre that even with several hundred thousand media figures not one one other person addresses the issues.
Just gotta get off Reason is all.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/bidens-extremist-maga-claims-lie
et the media doesn’t seem to be interested in getting to the bottom of 1/6 OR the underlying issue: the 2020 election. And thanks to Alex Berenson and others, we know that the government is in regular communication with giant social and traditional media outlets about the ‘proper’ narrative to follow. I love Alex, but if they are in communications to squash a little fish like him, they are CERTAINLY in communications to squash the most important stories of the day. There’s no doubt that (if we were allowed to see the communications of our public servants) we’d find ‘don’t cover this story’ or ‘ban this guy’ memos surrounding both the coverage of Election 2020 AND the coverage of 1/6 — just like we’re (still) learning about the Hunter laptop story.
Anyone who was interested could learn all about the Hunter Biden laptop story. They still can.
Look at this pathetic defense of the media. Apparently it doesn't matter that the dominant media lie to protect Dems because if you know to investigate deep enough you can ferret out the information yourself.
Remember, this is someone who pretends not to be in the tank for Dems.
This is why GG is the best reporter out there.
But that Rogan failure only strengthened their repressive campaigns. Dems routinely abuse their majoritarian power in DC to explicitly coerce Big Tech silencing of their opponents and dissent. This is *Govt censorship* disguised as corporate autonomy.
This is why we need non-libertarians to write for the flagship libertarian magazine. They do libertarian better than the libertarians do.
All of this stems from the classic mentality of all would-be tyrants: our enemies are so dangerous, their views so threatening, that everything we do – lying, repression, censorship – is noble. That's what made the Sam Harris confession so vital: that's how liberal elites think.
Boom.
Boom indeed. Sam just said the quiet part out loud. He's not saying what the entire MSM believe, or pretty much ALL progressives.
You can't censor your way to free speech.
Some ideas are simply too dangerous to a free society.
Words are violence.
They can only do harm.
I honestly think that law has problems, but it also doesn't quite do what FIRE says it does. It's a misstep (or an overstep) by the Florida legislature but it's pushing back against something that really is very insidious.
The part of the law that I have a problem with is not the part that deals with public education, but private businesses. I don't think it's too much to ask that public education doesn't indoctrinate children into thinking in race-essentialist terms or perpetuate victimhood narratives solely on the basis of race or sex. That's not to say wealthy, healthy people aren't privileged but that's not an inherent trait.
I have generally been against rules limiting business rights. But with the increase of government induced regulations and money to business and industry, corporations that accept either or act under threat need to be limited. Current legal jurisdictipm extends protections of individuals against entities under duress or coerced by government. Ignorinf reality of these acts harms the individual.
We are witnessing a slow boil to fascism as Greenwald states above. The tying of business to government to hide governments actions.
In order of protections for rights the individual must be Supreme. Especially forms of indoctrination by the state. Every authoritarian state has attempted programs to get schools and business on board with their plans. It is not a libertarian ideal to ignore what is actually happening.
If a law favors an individual over a business I have no problem with it. I will lean in favor of the individual.
I don't know what regs you have in mind, but giving the same government, that is pressuring big tech to censor, more power over big tech seems like a way to get more of the same.
The government will twist whatever regs crafted to suit their needs, like how interstate commerce came to mean wheat not sold or transported. Or the definition of man and women or inflation....
I suggest taking back the government's power to regulate the economy so that they no longer have any power to coerce these companies to censor.
The regs generally being the ones seen in Texas and Florida that elevate individual rights over a business. Such as Texas telling business they can't force people to take covid shots.
The real solution is of course to decrease government power and regulations. But we are far past that point. There is no reason to allow the fascism to occur until it is fixed.
And a free society is simply too dangerous for some ideas.
In 2019 embalmers saw a huge uptick in blood clots in dead bodies with strange chemical compositions.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2022/09/06/embalmers-are-making-shocking-discoveries-in-the-blood-of-the-dead-n1627105
Did you mean 2021?
A document pertaining to foreign nuclear capabilities was reportedly among those that former President Donald Trump had stored at Mar-a-Lago, which were seized by the FBI.
The foreigners already know their nuclear capabilities. Duh.
Yeah, why is that a secret?
Maybe someone has a 10% stake?
The Big Guy?
We don't want them to know what we know about their capabilities?
And how we obtained that knowledge.
We support espionage!
Do we know that they don't know that we know?
Mercy : See that dude? Over there! He's after you, and he's got some guys with him.
Swan : I know they're on my ass,
[looks in their direction]
Swan : but now they know I know it.
Yea, the value of that information seems quite small.
Ireland now jailing teachers for pronoun refusal.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/education/ireland-jails-teachers-who-wont-use-students-preferred-pronouns
Kids now have a great way to fuck with the teacher.
Hey, kids! Leave them teachers alone!
This could have been a Twilight Zone episode. Or maybe not, since it would have been too bizarre for 1960s audience.
That is not the type free speech violation good social liberals support.
Free speech must be tightly controlled by official policy. THIS IS WHAT PROGRESSIVES ACTUALLY BELIEVE.
Jacques Lyotard said that free speech is that which supports the left-wing state. This garbage has been out there for quite a long time, but it used to be mostly limited to humanities departments and tiny activist gatherings you could locate by the stench of patchouli and righteous indignation.
He was placed on administrative leave for the pronoun thing, but continued going in to the school. The school got a court injunction to stop him from coming on campus, but he continued even after a court injunction which finally resulted in jail.
Do you see how that's worse? At every step in the process, a sane person could have prevented further escalation, but decided instead to double down on the stupid.
Even unions don't have the power to stop a trans-refusal firing.
I really hope the Brits overthrow their socialist leaders and get rid of them. As an inspiration to us all.
"processing times for skilled immigrants skyrocket"
That's unfortunate. But let's be honest — Reason.com's billionaire benefactor Charles Koch is mostly interested in unskilled immigrants. Specifically the Mexicans who will clean his toilets for 15 cents per hour.
#OpenTheBordersToHelpCharlesKoch
I would have thought Mr. Koch uses a brand new toilet each time. Are there no immigrant plumbers?
Koch pays his skilled plumbers 16 cents per hour.
How would you expect any court system to handle over one million claims in one year? Somin would probably say that no court is needed so allow uncontrolled immigration - no courts, no backlog.
Of course, 10-20 million immigrants per year could affect housing, health coverage, and crime but that is just racist dog whistle.
Local level judge declares j6 an insurrection and removes politician from elected post for it despite only being charged for trespassing.
https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/09/06/democrat-judge-teams-up-with-leftwing-nutters-to-boot-a-republican-county-official-from-office-as-an-insurrectionist-n623747
Gotta be a team player.
It has to be appealed. I don't think a state level judge can just decide that an insurrection happened, that's a ridiculous breach of authority.
"ridiculous breach of authority"
As if there is such a thing.
Not from the Left, there isn't.
It's almost an insurrection.
I think a person has to be charged and convicted before he can be denied running for an office. the judge was out of line
Nuh uh, or something.
— Lying Jeffy
I'm convinced.
I posted this link yesterday. Lying Jeffy called me a liar because I didn’t read the entire judges ruling.
Whenever I read Jeffy's posts I always picture him as some pasty, squishy, 30 something white guy, all angry in front of his computer in his mother's basement. The exact kind of person who has an expert opinion on every conceivable topic.
We're challenging Florida's unconstitutional "Stop WOKE Act."
Instead of expending all this energy into things like the Stop WOKE Act, how about passing school choice. Do that and see how long the woke bullshit lasts.
School choice for K-12, and no more federal loans for higher ed.
You see that crap about Weingarten boasting one of her union teachers was able to write off $450,000 is student loans? WTF kinda of degree program racks up $450K in costs for becoming a teacher? And does it include a prescription for cocaine?
It should include the actual cocaine for that kind of money.
I feel like for that price you should get a 1-1 student-teacher ratio, because it's literally enough to hire your own full-time professor for 4 years.
$450k??? You should not only get a 1-to-1 student/teacher ratio, but a good-looking one, and blow jobs. Jebus, the higher education scam has GOT to be busted!
How big is your Union?
Liz Truss' first act as PM is a 100 billion dollar tax payment over energy prices caused by government idiocy.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/uk-cap-energy-bills-massive-subsidy-package-crisis-escalates-reports
Man how quickly articles of "are they libertarian" collapse from Reason.
She also appointed her best friend to deputy and minister of health.
… minister of health.
An old fat chick.
There is nothing libertarian about UK Conservatives.
DoJ appointee labels ADF a hate group.
The DOJ Civil Division's assistant director of commercial litigation is Eric Bruskin. Last week, Bruskin labeled a reputable organization, the Alliance Defending Freedom, a “hate group” and told a former colleague online, “Are these beliefs you hold? If so then it’s time we end our professional association.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/faith-freedom-self-reliance/bidens-doj-embraces-bias-and-anti-religious-bigotry
Come on, dude. Government, like any church, must cast out heretics.
Yeah well Trump.
— Reason
"How YouTube shifted from human curators to algorithmic curation."
Hopefully whatever Youtube is doing behind the scenes, they'll stop leading impressionable young minds down the path of radicalization by recommending videos from dangerous extremists like shoe0nhead.
#LibertariansForTrustingBigTech
#LibertariansForCrushingDissent
She is that most dangerous of extremists-a cute, funny socialist.
1 in 2 Americans will have an election denier on the ballot this fall...
The Democrat election deniers don't get counted because they're right.
Karine Jean-Pierre made it clear that Democratic election denial is not the same thing as Republican election denial.
Get woke! Anything that might have happened 6 years ago is beyond the knowledge horizon.
Unless it involved slavery.
And then it's ongoing.
It's only extremist when you do it.
DOOCY: "You tweeted in 2016 that Trump stole an election."
KJP: "I knew this was coming."
DOOCY: "If denying election results is extreme now, why wasn't it then?"
KJP: "That comparison that you made is just ridiculous."
When she said "I knew this was coming", Doocy whould have immediately jumped to "So, you surely have a clear answer, right?"
Sadly, in the actual recording, the transcript is not as clear as given above, lot of overlapping and restarts.
Be fair. A White House Spokes-dinger has to be able to say things that serve the narrative of the moment, with super-power ability to deal with n-levels of lies and contradictions.
True. It's spoofed hilariously on VEEP.
Mind boggling that she knew the question was coming...and that was the best she came up with.
And there aren’t any.
Lol. God damn. Just ripped your mask right off there.
Stacy Abrams on line 1….
HO2!!!!!!!!!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M6qJCCg45Ow
Shall we start with the 2018 loser of the Georgia gubernatorial election, Stacy Abrams?
Oh, wait, there's 10 whole minute of Democrat election deniers here: https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1565493427357323264
Yeah, it's so clear, there's no nuance at all. Literally major Democratic politicians, current and former saying that the election is "illegitimate" and was "stolen".
How old were you in 2016 that you have no memory of events?
Mike is born again. Once he accepted Obama as his savior, he has been on the path of righteousness.
The one where some Democrats groused a bit, and Hillary poured and stomped her feet then conceded the election?
That really compare with Trump spending his every waking hour trying to make all of American politics about his supposed stolen election, yet never producing any evidence of a stolen election.
More lies from you. It will be good when you finally receive the kind of ending a traitor deserves.
Lol.
The crying for four years. The Not My President movement. Congress spending every waking moment on how to impeach the president, then impeach him again.
Granted, there wasn't a riot on capitol hill, but in 2016 a big hissy fit started and hasn't ended.
You are lying when you say some democrats groused a bit. You know it was more than that.
Wow. You can't possibly believe that.
Hydrogen dioxide all over again.
Don’t you dare call Mike Liarson a Democrat.
Oof.
While acknowledging no wrongdoing, Juul has agreed to settle for $438.5 million...
Juul knows paying off state governments is just a cost of doing business.
Hmm, when does pay-to-play become fascism?
2008?
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the ACLU of Ohio, and Planned Parenthood Federation of America...
Oh boy.
3 non biased groups fighting for our rights.
What about the Eugenics Council?
The DEA is freaking out about "rainbow fentanyl."
And unicorn bath salts.
"Taste the rainbow"
A document pertaining to foreign nuclear capabilities was reportedly among those that former President Donald Trump had stored at Mar-a-Lago, which were seized by the FBI. And "some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them," reports The Washington Post.
Estimated timeline on this being another false anonymous source? The raid is going this badly for the FBI and DoJ the leaks continue.
Anyone find it strange it comes out the day after the ruling on the special master?
It seems like it's par for the course. The FBI and DOJ lose, and then they come up with a lie to counter it. I figure either the document isn't real, or is just one the magazine articles anyone could've bought, but is being presented disingenuously.
You do realize you are staring to tell yourself lies to maintain your partisan world view.
Okay fire extinguisher. Calm down.
It has to be parady at this point, right?
No, just a lying sack of shit.
Add her to the list of completely broken lefties.
You do know what projection is, don't you?
How would I be the one having to tell myself soothing lies? I don’t even claim to know any ultimate truth about the Mar-a-Lago documents. I’m just watching developments as they come, and not making up stuff to comfort myself. I don’t have a dog in the race.
Strange, no. Right on schedule, yes.
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'slow clap' Well played sir.
How YouTube shifted from human curators to algorithmic curation.
Skynet starts out as a influencer gatekeeper.
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We’ve tracked every Republican midterm candidate’s position on the 2020 election. 1 in 2 Americans will have an election denier on the ballot this fall:
Election denier of course only counting 2020, not 2000, 2004, or 2016.
And not counting 2018 in Georgia. Stacy Abrams still hasn't conceded the governor's race to Kemp.
You mean future president of earth Stacy abrahams?
"You mean future president of earth Stacy abrahams?"
Yep - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/19/stacey-abrams-president-earth-star-trek-georgia-governor
Remember, 2020 election deniers deserve to be demonized and put on lists. Deniers of other elections? Well, maybe we can give them a cameo on a TV show or something.
'In 2019, Abrams told the New York Times that while she “legally acknowledge[d] that Brian Kemp secured a sufficient number of votes under our existing system to become the governor of Georgia. I do not concede that the process was proper, nor do I condone that process.”'
So brave.
Getting a lot of mileage out of this. Just doesn’t compare in degree or national importance to Trump and his MAGA loyalists mythological “stolen election”.
Nor like two impeachments, right?
Elections that the Whitehouse spokeswoman has denied.
Cmon. White Mike just told us no democrats deny elections just above.
Of course he has. https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1565493427357323264
That would make it 112%
Of course, "and they were funded in their campaigns by Democrats" was pointedly left out of that comment. The funny thing is that she dropped some dumb bromide a few days ago about how she was told the importance of critical thinking as an English major in college.
The funny thing is that she dropped some dumb bromide a few days ago about how she was told the importance of critical thinking as an English major in college.
Wow. I don't know what to say to that.
Hypothetical: You could eliminate the DEA or the ATF, but only one of those. Which do you remove?
Atf
Agreed. Explicit right.
Should be a convenience store.
Racist!
I can’t defend myself with drugs.
What if you had a fentanyl needle ar 15?
With the shoulder thing that goes up?
DOJ
DEA, prohibition gives way to gun laws to mitigate the violence created by prohibition. Seems like nearly a 2 for 1, since ATF survives as a bureaucracy on the back of the drug war.
YES
DEA. Not even a choice.
ATF is, in the end, annoying and fairly constrained.
DEA is an openly murderous organization that is as bad for us as the people they purport to fight.
Eliminate the DEA and turn ATF into a convenience store?
I don't grant the premise of the hypothetical.
One, they collaborate.
Two, abolished Government agencies just get their powers shifted to another agency (e.g. Clinton abolished the Interstate Commerce Commission, but gave the powers to The Commerce Department.
Three, why couldn't they fight to the death in Thunderdome, with the winner Facing The Wheel?
Is social media undermining citizenship? From MIT Press Reader
Both tech companies and authoritarians have amassed power largely by image management and opinion framing rather than by broadening civic life
You mean like pushing a compleatly disproven theory on masking, and vilifying everyone that disagrees?
He means advocating for hospitals to not treat the unvaccinated.
THE UNCLEAN!
Oh, look! Chicken Little!
Stuff your PANIC flag up your ass, lying pile of shit.
Just make sure that flag got its monkey pox vaccine first.
Hahaha. Almost as if the author read some of the commentariat here.
Social media doesn't enable participatory democracy as much as it incentivizes citizens to perform attention getting acts of political expression
I was assured by Dee that the only thing on social media is cat videos.
"For instance, Walgreens was recently found liable for San Francisco's drug problems in a civil suit. It accused the pharmacy not of filling illegitimate prescriptions or otherwise illegally distributing opioid pills but of failing to divine which doctors had prescribed too liberally or which patients might abuse their prescriptions."
Why not? In delusional utopian thinking, people in charge have magical powers and a mandate to make everything bad go away. Certainly a trained pharmacist has the power to see into the future, just like all those crystal healers that make up half the Bay Area government.
It's not even individual pharmacists, though, who might theoretically see the same customers, or the same doctor's names on prescriptions. They sued the corporation for not keeping track of whether pharmacists were keeping track of whether doctors were keeping track. It's like 4 levels removed. A judge should have laughed the claim out of court.
For the stop woke act if a teacher is free to say a kid is bad because they are white. The students can call the teacher evil faggot niggers
"You can't censor your way to free speech."
But what about censoring the censors? Huh? Huh?
"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the ACLU of Ohio, and Planned Parenthood Federation of America are suing to stop an Ohio law banning abortion around six weeks of pregnancy."
Good. I'm sure the right to access abortion care is found somewhere in the PENUMBRAS FORMED BY EMANATIONS of the Ohio state constitution or whatever.
The birth canal fairy needs to be invoked.
An anonymous source close to the investigation told me the FBI found a secret document that revealed Donald Trump has always been the Hamburglar. Not a joke.
It all makes sense now.
"Raubble, raubble!" - Donald J. Trump, Nov. 2020
Fake news! He's clearly Elby's Big Boy.
I thought it was Shoney's.
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Reason Rundown
Embalmers Are Making Strange Discoveries in the Blood of the Dead
“Prior to 2020, 2021, we probably would see somewhere between 5 to 10 percent of the bodies that we would embalm having blood clots,” licensed embalmer Richard Hirschman told The Epoch Times.
Today, Hirschman, who embalms in Alabama, claims that 50% to 70% of the bodies have clots.
Sourcing seems sketchy though
I only trust anonymous sources.
Somebody will be getting audited soon. Good and hard.
'In Head Start—the program of subsidized preschools and child care programs for low-income families—"mandatory masking rules are still on the books for teachers and children as young as 2-years-old," reports The New York Times.'
And by Head Start, they mean early indoctrination into fearing un-curated life, trusting authority, and following orders.
The DEA is freaking out about "rainbow fentanyl."
Sounds like they are doing it wrong.
The Dea is clearly anti lgbtqijzp
A document pertaining to foreign nuclear capabilities was reportedly among those that former President Donald Trump had stored at Mar-a-Lago, which were seized by the FBI.
From the article:
according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.
So the WaPo is making stuff up again.
Just fulfilling their government contract.
I read about the search in the news. Am I familiar enough with it?
"we are not going to conduct this investigation by leak"
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Ugh. Of course "law & order" types are seizing on this unfortunate incident.
Body found in Memphis is that of abducted teacher and a suspect is being charged with murder, police say
"Abston served a prison sentence for an aggravated kidnapping more than 20 years ago, court records show."
Although these events are regrettable, they should in no way make us Koch / Reason libertarians question our benefactor's soft-on-crime #FreeTheCriminals and #EmptyThePrisons agenda.
#CheapLaborAboveAll
“The Person of Color Theme House” in Berkeley will always have room for Cleotha.
Dead or alive Eliza not welcome.
Reason Rundown
62.4 percent of Independents and 56.8 percent of respondents overall view the Biden Philadelphia oration as “a dangerous escalation of rhetoric that is designed to incite conflict among Americans.”
"when you are not with where a majority of Americans are, then, you know, that is extreme. That is an extreme way of thinking." - Karine Jean-Pierre
70.8% of Democrats (the only group with a majority in this particular category) believe it to be acceptable election year campaign messaging.
89.1% of Republicans and 62.4% of Independents believe this to be a dangerous escalation of rhetoric designed to incite conflict.
Therefore, it seems that Democrats are not with a majority of Americans, and are therefore extreme.
Now let's see who at reason supported or agreed with the speech in the comments...
I'll wager Jeffy, Sarc, JFree, Kirkland, and Shriek.
And zero talk of impeachment.
But a Democratic, female, POC, government mouthpiece said it.
So for people on the left, it is quadruple-true.
GAY! You forgot to say GAY!
Quintuple-true?
Our editor in chief and leading libertarian mind has declared this speech to be a nothing burger of a political stump speech. She seemed far more concerned that idiot Republicans pounced on the color red, as if that actually meant something.
There was an exchange on the reason podcast where she is left alone on the island trying to defend the imagery and the speech as benign and any criticism as an overreaction... Or rather completely manufactured and fake.
Funny, for ENB it's always the icky Republicans and their pouncing. It's almost like she's really a far left progressive, not a libertarian.
Reason Rundown
“We are a city that is a sanctuary city. We have immigrants from all over the world who call Chicago their home. They’ll continue to do that, and we’re going to continue to make sure that this is truly a welcoming community for those immigrants and we want them to come to the city of Chicago.” - Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, April 13th, 2019
Today: Chicago Asking for Help After Texas Sends Over…100 Migrants to IL.
Lightfoot, to put it mildly, is an asshole and an idiot.
100.
But not the Irish!
Why? Why is Abbott being so stingy?
Yeah, those are rookie numbers.
Reason Rundown
Sociopathic Davos cultists in Germany are doing it to their own people on purpose.
Germany Rules Out Keeping Nuclear Power On Despite Energy Crisis
The elites aren't going to suffer, so it's completely justified.
And the peasants will suffer, so completely hilarious.
The peasants are revolting.
You're right! They stink on ice.
And the peasants aren't well armed.
You mean no F-15’s?
EIN VOLK, EIN REICH, NEIN GAZ!
Reason Rundown
That Time Democrat John Fetterman Grabbed a Shotgun and Chased Down an Unarmed Black Jogger
Babylon Bee just cannot make this shit up.
Reason Rundown
Karine Jean-Pierre's Twitter history
For someone who insists that questioning election results is horrific anti-democratic extremism, she sure did a heck of a lot of horrific anti-democratic extremism prior to 2020.
She defended herself by invoking the "It is different when Leftists do it" clause.
Why are conservatives pouncing on her past? She is now a victim.
She also defended herself by being born black.
Reason Rundown
“Lehman Event” Looms For Europe As Energy Companies Face $1.5T In Margin Calls
Contracts are racist!
What's unclear from the article is whether the companies are simply outright losing money or whether they are suffering a liquidity problem like the one that supposedly brought down Metallgesellschaft.
You can be properly hedged, yet if you get a margin call on your hedge while your underlying is worth more but isn't yet generating revenue, on a mark-to-market basis you may have lost nothing yet you don't have the funds to meet the margin call and you'll be in trouble.
I'll bet your thought that meant something other than 'they're in trouble'. Or you simply wanted to spout jargon.
Or “they made a bad bet, but they meant well”.
The bet may actually have been a theoretically good one but their management wasn't. Imagine a totally reliable and rich friend offers you odds of 4/1 on some boxer just before he goes on a European walking tour with no cellphone, while Vinnie's Corner Bookie offers you odds of 1/3 on the other boxer. You put $10,000 on the boxer with your friend, and $36,000 on the other boxer with Vinnie. The boxer wins. You're due $40,000 from your friend but meanwhile, you owe Vinnie $36,000. Was the bet good? Sure - in principle, but your problem is the liquidity. Vinnie wants his $36,000 now, and you don't have any cash until your friend returns.
Comprehension not one of your strong points, evidently.
Mark to market has done a great deal of evil. Ostensibly a reasonable idea, it fails when markets move contrary to what a reasonable investor would do.
Many banks faced this last time around. They had a multi-billion dollar loan portfolio. But with all the uncertainty, there was no market of willing buyers.
Now, the loans were still a perfectly valid hold investment with high returns and only limited downside.... But that uncertainty meant the "market price" they were forced to use was trending toward zero.
Because "mark to market" is a lie. There is only a market if there is a willing buyers and a willing seller. But if the price falls to far because there are no willing buyers, then there will also be no willing sellers. But mark to market pretends that the buy offer is the real price. It isn't.
If I offer you a hundred bucks for your favorite chair... Is that the market value? Even if you wouldn't sell it for a thousand? And even if it wouldn't fetch $20 on ebay?
That is the fiction of mark to market. And entire industries have been destroyed over it.
Mark-to-market is necessary, and a required trading/investment discipline but the mistake is to view it as the (almost) complete picture, and you also need to know that you're truly marking to market rather than marking to model - which can be used to hide many an investment or trading sin.
But if there's a price fall such that buyers won't buy and sellers won't sell, there is indeed no liquid market but that doesn't make the asset worth zero.
It does under many US laws... And it cost us hundreds of billions in 2008. SOX caused many solvent and prospering businesses to close shop when banks got involved. DLJ was an investment bank under Credit Suisse. With mark to market, their portfolio of privately held companies was a liability, particularly since it included mortgage originators.
So they liquidated the whole thing and shut it down to avoid banking regulators coming in and taking over the whole bank (as they had been doing all year). Some businesses were simply closed. Some sold off for pennies.
Thousands lost their jobs, and minority shareholders were cleaned out.
It was all paperwork. But it had real world consequences in the hundred billion dollar range. And it was a minor side story that nobody even bothered to cover.
It does under many US laws...
Which? This suggests otherwise:
https://us.aicpa.org/content/dam/aicpa/interestareas/centerforauditquality/resources/caqauditlibrary/downloadabledocuments/measurements-of-fv-in-illiquid-markets.pdf
Eh, I wouldn't call GAAP US law, but it would certainly get you in trouble with regulators if you submitted an audit to the SEC/PCAOB/whichever agency and they decided you submitted materially misstated financials.
Nope. The fiction is pretending an under-collateralized loan is worth more than it is.
Sorry, but risky investments are well risky and your faith that the decline is other than temporary does not make it so, even if you clap real loud.
"(made under the threat of 20 years in prison if he went to court and no prison time if he pleaded out)."
And there you have it. Outlaw plea "bargains" to restore justice. If the prosecutor can't make the case, he shouldn't file any charges. Allow a defendant to confront his accuser by eliminating anonymous sources and things will work out better.
Only trials by duel.
Reason Rundown
“Yellen Says US Back on Track to Ending Fossil-Fuels Dependence
You will own nothing and be happy
The US is very lucky in that thanks to its federal system, the states have more control over energy policy than the feds do. The feds can and are doing a lot of damage. Certainly, deep blue states like California are doing everything they can to destroy the grid and modern civilization as we know it with it. Luckily, the majority of states' governments are not part of the AGW cult and will keep the lights on for most Americans. It will be a long, cold winter in Europe but much less so here. Thank God for the founders and federalism or it would be just as bad or worse here.
I'm pretty sure the founders had nothing to do with oil and gas deposits in North America. But hey maybe they did.
I am pretty sure the founders had everything to do with ensuring most of the government power in this country lies with the states. Europe has a ton of oil and gas. They just refuse to drill for it. The US doesn't. And that is why we are not going to have a cold winter.
But hey, maybe some day you will understand what people on here are saying. We can dream.
Actually, Europeans did a pretty good job of developing and depleting conventional gas reserves, mostly off shore. Unconventional, i.e. fracking, gas has been less exploited.
Well, it's certain that your reply was totally irrelevant, but we expect that of you JFree; lies or misdirection.
The founders wore wigs. Look at how smart I am!
The goal is equity with africa by dragging the first world down.
Hold on! Maybe for the American peasantry, but not for the elites.
Hey now. Africa has warlords and kings too.
The goal is power, and you have more power farming human cattle than free people.
What about taxes?
Reason Rundown
Don't heat your homes with dirty natural gas, burn... wood?
“Europe Is Sacrificing Its Ancient Forests for Energy
You will own nothing and be happy
Reason Rundown
Libertarian moment
J6 rioter gets prison for "gesticulating" and sleeve pinching.
Dude challenged the wrong presidential election.
They keep saying it right in the sentencing... Extra jail for you because of your political beliefs.
Probably not unprecedented.... But it is astonishing that we live in a time where this passes without comment.
No objections from Reason, the nation's premier libertarian publication.
But when it's not Trump, the FBI is not to be trusted. And for Snowden and Chelsea Manning and others, over-classifying is the evil to be fought.
This kind of crap goes right along with so many links to the NYT and WaPo. Pro Tip: when someone is untrustworthy in one area, they are untrustworthy everywhere.
Hey, ENB, KMW:
This TDS crap has gone on long enough. Tell Sullum to move on, hell, tell Nick and Matt to move on too, much as it pains me to say it; Reason has worn out its welcome. I spend less and less time here every day.
Start advocating for LIBERTY again. I've noticed a lot fewer articles each day over the last several years; are you losing advertising from fewer page hits, are you getting fewer donations? There's one sure way to continue this downward slide, and one sure way to reverse it. You don't have to like Trump, but you sure have to stop pretending he's worse than Biden or Obama or Bush or Clinton.
But think of all the time you save here now.
Just read the headline and the author, and you know everything that will be said.
They spend all their time generating terrible listener questions for their podcast.
Even if it is true, so what? They were in a secret service guarded compound in Florida. There was zero damage to national security. Further, there is absolutely no doubt that classified information of all sorts ended up in the personal papers of every former President. If the FBI raided Obama or Clinton of George W. Bush's private papers, they would no doubt find all sorts of classified things. Until Trump that was rightly never considered a problem. No one as yet has been able to explain why it is a problem now except for "Orange Man Bad".
Reason and the rest of the TDS's crowd seem totally unwilling to see the problem with the biased and uneven enforcement of the law. The excuse seems to be well "if you run a red light, you are guilty and the fact that other people didn't get caught shouldn't get you off". What a juvenile and stupid defense. What is going on here is Trump may or may not have run a read light and they are trying to indict him for it while the mayor and his cronies are guilty of running red lights and much worse every day and are never held accountable. Indeed, if they try to indict Trump on this bullshit, they will be attempting to hold him to a standard that has never been applied to anyone before now.
If reason thinks that that will stop with Trump and everything will be okay, because "orange man bad and is special", they are bigger fools than even I thought they were. If they can do it to a former President, they can and will do it to anyone who they see as a threat to the current regime.
They were in a secret service guarded compound in Florida
The secret service doesn't guard documents or rooms. Sheesh, your reflexive urge to defend Trump is even more ridiculous than usual.
Yes they do. Do you think you could just walk in there? Do you think they leave the house unguarded when he isn't there? Do you even understand how security works?
Jesus fucking Christ you are an idiot.
And a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
There is a secret service contingent at Mar-a-lago at all times. They met the FBI when they served the warrant.
It was in all the articles at the time.
Do you really believe that if someone already allowed to be at Maga-Lago got a key to the room, and went in and took documents, the Secret Service would stop him? They certainly weren't on guard outside that room. Don't be so fucking credulous, gullible stupid, blind or ignorant.
Bloody hell, the need you lot have to defend Trump is pathological.
A lot of ifs in that statement. Are you Adam Schiff?
Do you really believe that if someone already allowed to be at Maga-Lago got a key to the room, and went in and took documents, the Secret Service would stop him?
If they are in a sciff inside the Pentagon and someone with access to it went and took the documents, no one would stop them either. Someone has access to every document.
You might be the dumbest human being on earth.
Dunno. Joe Asshole, Tony, turd and a couple of others put the bar pretty low.
Your ragging case of TDS leads you to post bullshit.
The S/S would, indeed, guard documents if someone tried to break in.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, lying pile of lefty shit.
Who said anything about breaking in?
Jeez, that tertiary syphilis must really be kicking in.
And how many agents are at Maga-Lago all the time? It won't be one per room. Not even you are so psychotic as to assert that.
"Who said anything about breaking in?"
Do you imagine that shit-for-brains attempt at misdirection is going to do other than cement your rep as a lying pile of lefty shit.
You might try searching for one brain cell, asswipe.
Answer me this, why wouldn't Trump declassify everything he took?
All he has to do is say it, and he was still president for an hour when he arrived back in MAL.
Also tell me why, while loudly proclaiming documents are "marked" classified, the DOJ and FBI have refused to say that they actually are classified.
Shrike isn't very intelligent.
All he has to do is say it, and he was still president for an hour when he arrived back in MAL.
Because just saying, "this stuff is declassified now" isn't good enough--the markings need to be blacked out, and a record of what exactly is being declassified has to be written up so there's no confusion over what is and isn't classified.
What Trump's doing here is the equivalent of claiming that Mom said he could raid the cookie jar after Dad told him he couldn't have any, then caught him with crumbs on his mouth five minutes later.
"Because just saying, "this stuff is declassified now" isn't good enough"
Maybe it isn't "good enough", but legally it's all he's obligated to do.
I'm betting the store that these are the Crossfire Hurricane documents that Trump declassified and the DOJ and FBI have illegally refused to release, even though they were compelled to by a court order.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/25/2021-01717/declassification-of-certain-materials-related-to-the-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation
https://www.judicialwatch.org/declassification-spyoperation/
Actually it is per precedent. Egan vs Navy 88. Likewise both Obama and Bush exempted themselves from declassification processes through EO which is controlling.
You dumb fuck, The Secret Service is still guarding Obama's Chicago house even though he hasn't resided there in years.
They were in a secret service guarded compound in Florida. There was zero damage to national security.
Even if guards were standing right outside the doors where the documents were held, it wouldn't matter--there's rules about how these things are supposed to be stored.
I suspect the "highly classified" stuff they're going on about isn't even really TS-level, it's just Secret/Restricted Data that could technically be kept in a GSA-approved safe, in a secured room (not necessarily a SCIF, just one with a key that only Donald has access to, for instance), and the only thing that would have been the issue is Trump getting his hand slapped for not turning over those records to the Archives. He doesn't need them for his fucking memoirs, and even if they would be useful, he still needs to document what's in there so there's accountability for the material. He appears to have not done any of that shit.
This is why the shitstorm over Hillary's server happened--because it wasn't actually secured properly, classified material got spilled on there when there's supposed to be a wall of separation between nipr and sipr, she never received authorization to have it in the first place, and when the material was subpeona'd, her fucking systems admin went on Reddit to ask how to wipe the records.
I get that it's not really fair that Trump gets the screws put to him while Hillary skates, but the reality is that both of them were way too cavalier with classified material.
Hillary put classified material on an unclass server that was connected to the internet. If you don't understand how qualitatively different that is from having classified documents in a room in Marlargo, I don't know what to tell you.
Yes, there are rules here. But they have never been applied this strictly to a former President. Again, if you went and looked, I have no doubt you could find classified or marked classified documents in the papers of any ex President.
Plus Carlos Danger had Hillary's documents on his pc.
Hillary put classified material on an unclass server that was connected to the internet. If you don't understand how qualitatively different that is from having classified documents in a room in Marlargo, I don't know what to tell you.
Considering I had a TS clearance for several years, yes, I do understand. You can't just keep classified documents in a fucking pool room.
Reason Rundown
Court Forces Fauci And Jean-Pierre To Answer Questions Under Oath And Produce Documents In Biden-Big Tech Collusion Case
“Plaintiffs are entitled to external communications by Jean-Pierre and Dr. Fauci in their capacities as White House Press Secretary and Chief Medical Advisor to the President to third-party social media platforms.”
And from Reason, for whom this should be big news, being a supposedly libertarian publication, we get crickets. I guess there's too many cocktail parties there, eh? Otherwise, they might get disinvited from some of them.
Commentariat links are about the only reason to come to this website any more. About half the articles are too TDS-riddled to tolerate more than a skim, and most of the writers, excuse me editors, are so TDS-addled that I don't bother reading them at all, go straight to the comments, if I don't have better things to do.
+1
Local news.
"We'll stop railroading you if you promise not to sue us."
The Scales of Justice?
I DiDn'T tHinK iT CoUlD hApPeN heRe!!!11!!!!1!!!!!!1!
Something tells me a lot of people are going to be saying that for one reason or another in the near future. It's a harsh lesson but one that everyone should learn: the government is not your friend, politicians don't "feel your pain," and "it can happen here."
Italy and Germany in the 1930s make a lot more sense now.
Start printing "Just Following Orders" T-shirts.
I expect Hugo Boss to get a new military uniform contract any day now.
No shit. I mean, they're already rounding up conservatives and putting them into rail cars. I wonder what happens next.
They kind of are.
Would you like some cites?
Sure. Show me where people in this country are being systematically rounded up and confined solely solely because their politics differ from that of the administration, and have otherwise committed no crime. Meaning your friends who stormed the Capital on J6 don't count.
I can show you the dozens of January 6th people who are being held without bond and given absurd sentences for minor crimes. The contrast between that and the total leniency given to Antifa and leftist law breakers should scare the hell out of you. It only doesn't because you lack the principles to admit the problem.
What does that have to do with ML's assertion that conservatives are being rounded up and put into rail cars solely because of their beliefs, not because of their actions?
It has everything to do with it. People don't just get rounded up one day. It is a process. And the first step to that process is establishing the precedent that people are treated differently under the law based on their politics.
There's a difference between going after people for their belief and going after them because of their actions. In this case random conservatives aren't being targeted for their beliefs. People are being targeted for their actions.
That's a big fucking difference, which you seem to be deliberately ignoring.
"conservatives aren't being targeted for their beliefs
Discrimination Against Conservatives Must End
These conservative college students were bullied for their beliefs
Why Conservatives Are Being Blacklisted
People Canceled After Expressing Conservative Views
Over 100 professors and scholars were targeted for their personal views for the second year in a row, according to a report from the Foundation for Individual Rights (FIRE).
Conservatives Are Treated like Second-Class Citizens, and That's Dangerous
Still awaiting your cites of conservatives being rounded up and placed into camps.
Why do liberals want to kill conservatives? Here's a list of liberal threats and attacks on conservatives since mid-2016
Boo hoo poor persecuted conservatives are victims boo hoo. Cry to someone who cares.
"Why do liberals want to kill conservatives? Here's a list of liberal threats and attacks on conservatives since mid-2016"
Half of your buddies on this site are itching to kill leftists. Not sure what your point is what that one.
That was your statement, not mine, sarcasmischmuck, but I said they "kind of are". And as the links I've posted have shown, you kind of are.
"Half of your buddies on this site are itching to kill leftists."
Oh? Who?
Who's said "we want to kill you, sarcasmic"?
Embarrassing sarc.
It only doesn't because you lack the principles to admit the problem.
Two things about this bother me. The first is calling what happened on J6 an "insurrection." If that's what it was then it was the dumbest insurrection in history. Especially in a country where guns outnumber people.
The second is the belief among conservatives that the people who stormed the Capital did absolutely nothing wrong.
I'm in more of a middle ground where I see a bunch of yahoos who did some really stupid shit and deserve to be punished, but not like they were trying to overthrow the government.
The police let them into the capitol. We know that for a fact. How could they have been wrong to enter it when the police let them in.
What they did or did not do wrong depends on the person. There is no evidence that any of them are guilty of anything beyond trespass. We live in a country where leftist rioters tore down statues in Washington, defaced the national monuments, tossed fire bombs that injured two dozen secret service agents as the mobs tried to climb the White House fence, and tried to burn down the church across from the White House. Not a single person from the 2020 riots in Washington was ever prosecuted. DOJ dropped all of the charges and let all of the people were arrested walk when Biden took office. Meanwhile people from January 6th are rotting in prison for months without trial.
Sorry but your false equivalency rings very hollow when you look at the actual facts.
There was no false equivalency on my part because I didn't make a comparison. I treat the summer riots and J6 as separate events.
If anyone is drawing a false equivalency it is you. You're equivocating riots in the street with deliberately disrupting the certification of an election. They're not even similar. Comparing them will always draw a false equivalency.
Really?
You need someone to explain why rioting in the street and destroying property is different than causing elected representatives to stop the business of government while they evacuate in fear for their lives?
"They're not even similar."
Was this similar, sarcasmic?
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/inauguration-2017/washington-faces-more-anti-trump-protests-after-day-rage-n709946
Same claim about elections, same location, tenfold times the destruction.
How is this not similar?
Except very few of the J6 defendants are being charged with anything but trespassing. Which they are getting jail time for.
Same claim about elections, same location, tenfold times the destruction.
How is this not similar?
They weren't entering the Capital while in session in an effort to stop the certification of an election they deem fraudulent because their godking is a crybaby that can't stand to lose.
Except very few of the J6 defendants are being charged with anything but trespassing. Which they are getting jail time for.
Lies. According to the comments every J6 conspirator has either been in jail for years awaiting trial or sentenced to life in prison for political crimes. You're so full of shit.
"They weren't entering the Capital while in session in an effort to stop the certification of an election"
They were clearly rioting in the capital, you stupid fuck. And they clearly stated it was to stop an inauguration.
You're down to splitting hairs in an effort to make it different.
The destruction of private property was worse, I'd say. The J6 shit was idiotic, but at least it was better targeted toward those who could theoretically respond to their grievances.
"According to the comments every J6 conspirator has either been in jail for years awaiting trial or sentenced to life in prison for political crimes."
Literally no one has said that and you know that because you're in these comments every day. Pointing out that they have been imprisoned for over a year is not claiming they are there for life or have been there for multiple years. What are you even talking about?
The number of refugees from socialist countries warning all Americans about what they are seeing is the canary. The US may already be the coal mine.
Reason Rundown
Fire Chief Loses His Job for Attending a Leadership Conference at a Church
“Chief Hittle... put his attendance on the public city calendar so his supervisors would be aware. The firefighters paid for the two-day seminar with their own funds.”
Wrong church. Next time try a DEI-ESG leadership conference.
This happened in 2011, with events beginning in 2010.
Wow, the courts move slow. Justice delayed is justice denied? How can a wrongful termination suit take a decade to get to the first appeal? (After a judge did not allow it to go to a jury decision)
Reason Rundown
Guess who's running for president again.
Hillary Clinton says she will never run for president again
It depends on what your definition of "run" is.
We already know the definition of 'miserable hag'.
Polifact says "True". She can only waddle or shuffle or stumble for president nowadays.
Which means they'll never be able to actually tell us what they recovered because "national security." I guess we'll just have to take their word for it that they recovered super-duper double top secret type stuff. Seems legit, it's not like anyone associated with federal law enforcement or the intelligence community has ever lied to the American people before...
And they will even claim lies they tell congress are fine because it is secret information like Clapper did.
So the people reading these papers must now have their tongues cut out?
Obviously not, but they'll never be able to PHYSICALLY prove that what they claim is in the documents they recovered is true, and I'm way past giving anyone even remotely associated with the government, media, any corporate entity, or anyone else for that matter - the benefit of the doubt about any subject. They've used up whatever credibility they ever had.
But then again, I suspect you knew what I meant and are being deliberately obtuse.
A scenario where a cynical person with no firsthand knowledge of the events might want to reserve judgment. Going beyond reserving judgement and assuming it is self evidently true that the government is lying is kinda in the paranoid conspiratorial spectrum.
Which election? You'll have to be more specific. Oh wait, I forgot, refusing to accept the outcome of an election is only bad when it's the other team doing it.
Nothing says "this is a clean election" like refusing to permit or engage in any questioning of it. Gee, if you are that concerned about the public's trust in elections, perhaps you should do something besides act like you are guilty. Just saying.
I also find it humorous that many of the same people that peddled the "RuShIn CoLluJuN" bullshit for 4 years are now pretending that questioning an election's result is the "Worst Thing Evar." Give me a fucking break.
what i find depressing is the number of people who recognized the Russian collusion claims were complete BS...... and then fell for even stupider BS to delude themselves into the idea that 2020 was stolen from their god king.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Haha. Yeah. Cuz $100k in Facebook ads is totally analogous to changing election rules all over the country over a fucking virus.
Idiot.
“And "some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them," reports The Washington Post.”
“And we know this because the FBI showed them to us.” Says the Post.
“The DEA is freaking out about "rainbow fentanyl."”
Hey! Leave the LGBTQ+ druggies alone.
"We’ve tracked every Republican midterm candidate’s position on the 2020 election. 1 in 2 Americans will have an election denier on the ballot this fall:"
How many of them deny the elections of Bush, Trump, and Stacy Abrahms' election loss?
Was that bitch wearing a mask in her profile pic?
Yes, some people do struggle with denial. Haha.
>> 1 in 2 Americans will have an election denier on the ballot this fall
2020 or 2016?
So.. after a couple of false starts, I finally listened to a substantial portion of the Reason podcast. What a slog.
ENB outed herself as a full on partisan Democrat. Not TDS addled and just reacting to the TDS. Full on Democrat partisan, complete with the delusions that come with partisanship.
The painful moment came in a discussion that Matt reluctantly led on "both sides-ism" as relates to Biden's claims about political violence and the existential threat of "election denial".
Casting herself as the reasonable voice of the middle ground, ENB tells us that it is true that both sides have denied election results and both sides have engaged in political violence... But let's be honest, there is much more on the right at this moment.
I believe her. She truly believes that there is much more political violence on the right in the US.
Now, you have to be delusional to believe something like that. But she firmly believes that January 6 is much more violent and dangerous than anything that has happened on the left. It seems that all of 2020 has been erased from her mind... The burning cities, the murders, the targeting of conservatives for violent attacks... All conveniently not available in her mind as she analyzes "both sides".
It is truly unhinged.
Why is this important? Well, Reason is a special place to me. Reason has done important work. And has been an important voicee for liberty.
And ENB is supposed to be the guiding hand, leading the team in reporting on the world of libertarian thought.
We have the unique advantage of being able to say "both sides suck" with passion and authority. It renders us politically feckless, but we have our pride of our principles intact.
Yet here we are, with a libertarian magazine that watches a corrupt government pressing a compliant media and internet industry into censorship and propaganda, and we can't be bothered? How can we call Reason the voice of libertarians if we can't even have an editor who isn't in the tank for one party, and the one party objectively more hostile to liberty?
This is bad, folks. If you can watch our government directing internet companies to censor dissenting voices (which is well documented at this point) and then watch the president make a prime time speech on what even her left-libertarian and TDS suffering colleagues called "a set left over from The Man in The High Castle" and not see the glaring opportunity for biting criticism... Well, you can't be trusted to lead the charge for liberty.
Follow the money. And the insider media-tech-government cabal, and the privileged status they grant.
Yet here we are, with a libertarian magazine that watches a corrupt government pressing a compliant media and internet industry into censorship and propaganda, and we can't be bothered? How can we call Reason the voice of libertarians if we can't even have an editor who isn't in the tank for one party, and the one party objectively more hostile to liberty?
I remember back in the Obama years when Reason would routinely criticize his administration when they acted in ways that were antithetical to liberty, and back then a lot of the resident progressive trolls who infested the page would scream and yell and gnash their teeth in the comment section. And then during the Trump years, I didn't mind them taking the piss out of the Trump admin as well when they did something that deserved criticism, and the pro Trump trolls would do the same thing the proggie trolls used to. I laughed at both, and still do. But unfortunately, you're right.
When we have a government openly working with big tech to censor dissenting views on their platforms and their response seems to be "something something... 'private companies'" and a president who implies that a large swath of his political opposition are domestic terrorists while standing in front of a backdrop that looks like it would be right at home at Nuremberg and all we get is a tepid "both sides are authoritarian, *shrug*" then something's off.
They need to STFU about Trump and instead focus on what the CURRENT administration is doing that violates their alleged principles. When/ if Trump gets back in office after 2024, then by all means criticize away, but until then they need to just stop because they're allowing their own partisan preferences to blind them to the very real anti-liberty actions of the current administration.
And I should also add, I'm not the most savvy media consumer, so if I'm noticing it then it must pretty obvious.
It's ridiculously obvious. TDS is a nasty disease and seems to blinded some here (editors mostly) to the sins of the current administration.
And Trump Defense Syndrome has infected many commenters here with blindness to seeing anything bad about the previous administration.
They have no principles
"When we have a government openly working with big tech to censor dissenting views on their platforms and their response seems to be "something something... 'private companies'"
As I noted above, they have not been saying private companies. ENB has been silent, but there have been multiple articles commenting specifically on how it is bad that the Federal Government is working these social media companies behind the scenes.
Around a year back, when Biden specifically called for silencing critics of the response, they tepidly changed their stance.
As I noted above, they have not been saying private companies.
One of the reasons "muh private companies" became a meme around here was because of the reams of articles they printed defending private companies to censor how they wanted, and kept referring to Section 230 as "the first amendment of the internet".
The few commenters here who had a couple of working brain cells strongly suspected government interference in Big Techs mass censoring schemes, even before the evidence was incontrovertible. Now that the evidence has become so overwhelming and the receipts have been laid out on the dinner table, Reason is very tepidly shifting uncomfortably in their seats and admitting that something unsavory might be going on.
1. It's not happening.
2. It's happening (but it's not as bad as you say).
The funny thing, it appears to be even worse than people like me said it was.
But hey, I'm still pleased that Matt Welch (unwittingly) called for the repeal of section 230. That, in my opinion is one of the biggest (unwitting) turnarounds at the magazine.
Lastly, the other problem with this is, the leading light in Libertarian Publications should have been on the bleeding edge of this, not tepidly turning around on the issue
4/5/67 years after it's been going. When your flagship libertarian publication watches censorship become the modus operandi of the chattering classes within the establishment media (that NPR used to call 'the Gatekeepers of the First Amendment in their typical self-congratulatory tone) and says little to nothing, you've failed in your primary mission.Trump might run again in 2024... so he has to be talked about as if he's a current, existential threat to Democracy.
What are you talking about? There have been Reason articles just this week that should please you with their questioning of government pressure on social media.
We had something 12 billion dollars in damage and 15 dead from leftist violence in 2020. Antifa rioted every night for months on end in Portland. Antifa continues to riot in Portland and the city has become a no go zone for anyone on the right.
There is more political violence on the right? Really? Where are people on the right rioting? Where is the city that Democrats cannot openly be Democrats for real fear of their safety?
How can someone have their head as far up their ass as ENB seems to have hers?
"Antifa rioted every night for months on end in Portland."
They are still doing it. They have street takeovers TO THIS DAY that pop off every couple weeks. That's how one of them got shot last week when they were shooting at some old man driving down their turf.
I really couldn't imagine too many scenarios where I would advocate for calling up the National Guard to alleviate unrest until I watched the video of what was going on in Portland last weekend. Seeing an elderly man get shot when he tried to escape from their street blockade and the police saying that they can do nothing about it is maddening. Portland is 3rd world at this point.
The only thing that would fix Portland at this point would be to Hiroshima the fucking place. It's nothing more than enemy territory and should be treated as such.
It seems that all of 2020 has been erased from her mind... The burning cities, the murders, the targeting of conservatives for violent attacks...
Something something... "fiery but mostly peaceful..." mumble mumble...
But she firmly believes that January 6 is much more violent and dangerous than anything that has happened on the left.
There's a key difference between the left and right on political violence. After the Jan 6 riot recall there were supposed to be big protests on inauguration day. Instead no one showed because the right rejects violence.
Meanwhile as violence became normalized in the BLM riots they became larger, and of course Dem politicians encouraged them knowing this. Plus local officials protected those committing violence thus encouraging them further.
It's very clear Dems generally embrace violence and it's very clear Reps do not. Anyone pretending the reverse is an idiot or a liar.
There are other interesting cultural factors at play here. If you study revolutions, oftentimes, the revolution's enforcers-- the people capable of doing real violence often have a long history of it or are career criminals.
When you look at the January 6, a lot of the people arrested and charged had no criminal records. But if you look at the (relatively few, compared to how widespread the ANTIFA/BLM violence of 2020 was) the people involved in the worst events almost always had some kind of criminal history.
Shooting two black kids execution-style during CHAZ in Seattle takes a special kind of person.
She came here many times a week during the summer of 2020 and called them mostly peaceful. She might truly believe it.
"ENB outed herself as a full on partisan Democrat. Not TDS addled and just reacting to the TDS. Full on Democrat partisan, complete with the delusions that come with partisanship."
100% agreed. I've pushing this hard in the comments for a good while and I do not intend to let up. ENB needs to stop pretending she's a libertarian. She's not just a progressive, but a far left progressive. She carries water for the worst on the left, repeatedly.
Until Reason dumps this crop of fake libertarians, we're going to continue to see the same lack of quality here. Which is sad.
It's a very strange position to believe government can have no input on curricula at government schools.
But I still say DeSantis is going about this all wrong. He should launch an investigation into civil rights violations at schools since race and gender discrimination is already illegal in education. There's no need for new law. Enforce what we have and let Dems explain why they oppose the Civil Rights Acts.
Enforce what we have and let Dems explain why they oppose the Civil Rights Acts.
Surely you're not implying that the Civil Rights Act was ever meant to be applied equally? That's just crazy talk!
That's what happens when you flood the country with illegal migrants and prioritize hiring 87000 new IRS agents over all else.
Build the wall, immediately deport, actually implement "remain in Mexico", and enforce immigration law against employers and these problems go away.
Perhaps calling peoples' freely made choices a crisis is the problem. Perhaps blaming an individual's addiction on someone else is the problem.
Shame on Reason for going right along with the narrative and printing the phrase 'opioid crisis' over and over without any qualification.
This coming from someone who gives 10% of his income to an organization that for decades has opposed drug decriminalization. They finally supported medical cannabis in Utah in 2020 after opposing it for years.
The cognitive dissonance of you Mormons is amazing. Like when you say you have nothing against gay and trans, but give money to an organization that supports discrimination. Also forced conversion therapy for kids was an industry Ensign(profit arm of your church) most certainly was a huge investor in for decades. We don’t know for sure because your church keeps its finances a secret.
Your ignorance is without limit.
Your arrogance is without limit. You Mormons love telling others what to do. You believe and bunch of discredited nonsense. You should focus on not being arrogant bigots before you criticize others and try to force your views on them.
I am not 'You Mormons'. I am just me. I am arrogant, but not a bigot.
You, however, are a bigot for judging me based on spurious associations rather than what I actually promote.
Oh, and where the fuck is Sarcasmic so that he can see the form of a actual ad hominem attack.
Note the "This coming from someone who" followed by unsubstantiated claims for which the sole purpose is to imply hypocrisy by association. I particularly enjoyed the last dig which both implies that the church is engaged is sinister practices and is somehow different from any other large religious organization in keeping its finances confidential. Propaganda at its finest!
Your church uses the money you tithe to promote same sex marriage bans, drug prohibition, and conversion therapy.
You are literally funding those things.
It’s pretty simple.
Again the cognitive dissonance of you people astounds me.
Again the cognitive dissonance of you people astounds me.
You keep using phrases you clearly don't understand because if you did, you wouldn't use them as criticisms even as you engage in the exact behavior the phrase describes.
Your relentless prejudice against others in the guise of rooting out intolerance is true cognitive dissonance. It is illogical. It is ugly.
Oh, you're back again! It's been a while, Mr. Anti-redneck!
You seem to have some ongoing confusion about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes referred to as Mormons). Because of a revealed doctrine often referred to as the Word of Wisdom, members of the church are taught to abstain from many substances, including alcohol, marijuana, tobacco, and various other drugs; we also are taught to abstain from tea and coffee. As a result, members tend to be conservative in what they support in legal use. While (as one with libertarian leanings) I tend to be against laws limiting the use of substances by others, even when I think they are wrong and dangerous, it is certainly appropriate for a church which teaches against substances to not advocate for the legality of such substances.
I also find it odd that you talk of 'forced conversion therapy' as some kind of secret church conspiracy. I don't know of any such thing; I assume what you are talking about are attempts by parents to treat impulses in their minor children that they view as wrong and unhealthy.
Now, you may believe that such therapy is itself wrong; that's certainly your right. But, as a libertarian, you would certainly recognize the importance of allowing parents to make choices for their children so long as they aren't, say, physically beating the children, right? Because unless somehow the therapy you talk of raises to the level of actual abuse, a cla I haven't seen, I would assert that the libertarian view is not to have the government ban it, but rather to allow parents to make their own decisions.
Have you noticed that Republicans throw out personal responsibility and government over reach into our personal life when it comes to the drug war?
We have noticed. That's why we don't vote for them --- or didn't until the Democrats went unhinged.
But the Republicans, they are totally hinged.
Have you noticed the Ds do that and much, much worse? Or are you here for the shilling?
Yes. Most democrats too, but in different ways.
Reason Rundown
Chemjeff smiles
Nearly 25% of Democratic Voters Believe Men Can Get Pregnant
Reason Rundown
Shocking Evidence of the FBI's Assault on 2nd Amendment Rights
According to a wealth of internal documents and communications obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request by the gun rights organization Gun Owners of America (GOA), the FBI secretly coerced Americans into signing documents that waive their rights to own, buy, or even use firearms
• In Head Start—the program of subsidized preschools and child care programs for low-income families—"mandatory masking rules are still on the books for teachers and children as young as 2-years-old," reports The New York Times.
And the New York Times, steadfast in their defense of freedom and individual liberty, suddenly has a problem with this?
Barclay was rebuffed by the DEA for asking for guidance with his requirement to file DEA's paperwork? "We can't tell you how to run your business?" He didn't ask for that. He asked for help filling out the DEA's paperwork. So, instead, they wait FOUR years, and then critique him? With charges? Meanwhile, what was the DEA doing? If people were dying, it was an emergency. But, did the DEA ever stop the distribution, or is it still going on? Was it ever proven to be illegal? And if it was, why didn't the DEA stop it years ago? There are lives in the balance!
The best part of this is the source claims an NSI designation while nuclear information is classified under a different system. While information can be marked both, leaving out the other designation leads to this being fake.
https://www.usgs.gov/about/organization/science-support/survey-manual/4408-nuclear-formerly-restricted-data-frd-and
WE TOLD YOU HE HAD NUCLEAR SECRETS!!!!!
It’s a trap!
Everything is violence. Except for actual violence.*
*Depending on who's perpetrating said violence, of course.
I dont remember seeing any of the above markings in the floor photo the doj released btw. So if true the DoJ illegally transported improperly marked documents.
Nobody needs an assault keyboard.
At least they aren't eating the trees yet.
Soylent is green too.
Well put.
Bodily harm and property destruction aren't violence but misgendering someone is.
Hey, Antifa are brave freedom fighters who fire randomly into crowds hoping to kill elderly men for the sin of trying to leave the area because that's just how you fight white supremacy.
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of The Science?
Just the bugs in them.