California Advances Plan To Ban Gas Vehicle Sales by 2035
If the Golden State wants to convert to electrical vehicles, it better start embracing nuclear power.

Two years ago, California Gov. Gavin Newsom called on state regulators to develop a plan to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles in the state by 2035. This week, those regulators are obliging him.
The New York Times reports that regulators with the California Air Resources Board today are expected to vote to implement a ban that will be phased in over the next decade:
The rule, issued by the California Air Resources Board, will require that all new cars sold in the state by 2035 be free of greenhouse gas emissions like carbon dioxide. The rule also sets interim targets, requiring that 35 percent of new passenger vehicles sold by 2026 produce zero emissions. That requirement climbs to 68 percent by 2030.
Supporters of the ban see California as leading the way to what will eventually become a new standard, the elimination of gas-powered vehicles as a mechanism of reducing polluting emissions across the country and replacing them with electric vehicles (E.V.).
The Times notes that it's not clear that this goal is even achievable within this time frame. John Bozzella, president of the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, warns that factors like inflation, availability of infrastructure, and pricing issues could affect any attempt to force this goal.
California currently has more than 560,000 registered electric vehicles as of December 2021, the most of any state. While that sounds like a lot, California has nearly 14 million registered vehicles operating in the state. So, even though Californians have been more agreeable to adopting electric cars (thanks in part to all the government-funded subsidies, of course), the percentage of those who drive them is still very low. Even the governor's office's own bragging notes that only 12 percent of light-duty vehicle sales in California in 2021 were electric vehicles.
Then there's the question of where all the energy needed to power these vehicles will come from. When Newsom first announced this plan two years ago, he was also essentially declaring war on fracking and fossil fuels in general. At the same time, the state's renewable energy systems weren't providing nearly enough electricity to power the state's grid, and they still aren't. While E.V.s may not emit carbon gases on their own, they are dependent on a power grid that is heavily dependent on fossil fuels.
Newsom also seemed to have no interest back then in nuclear power as an important tool in producing the energy needed to make his plan a reality. Replacing all gas-powered vehicles with E.V.s could increase energy consumption by around a third, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.
It appears that Newsom may finally be acknowledging that he's not going to be meeting these goals without nuclear power. California regularly struggles to produce enough electricity for residents in the summer as it is. Imagine millions of E.V.s plugging into the grid. Earlier this month, Newsom called for Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant to remain open. It's the state's only remaining nuclear plant and had been scheduled to be closed in 2025. He wants to extend the power plant's life by another 10 years to make sure the state keeps the lights on.
The Associated Press notes that environmentalists see this as a betrayal, which should be treated as an example of how some (but not all) of these activists operate off vibes and feelings and don't really grasp what needs to be done to transition away from fossil fuels. If you don't want to pave over the entire Mojave Desert with solar panels, you need a plan to not just stabilize California's power grid but also expand it to account for all these E.V.s that are supposed to help the environment.
Of course, bans are just generally bad ideas, and most certainly Californians who want to buy gas-powered vehicles are going to purchase them in other states and bring them to California. Since Newsom isn't willing to wait for technological advancements and market forces to naturally expand E.V. sales, California will probably spend billions in subsidies and rebates to encourage adoption. This will likely result in a wealth transfer upward as poorer taxpayers who can't afford vehicles end up subsidizing E.V. purchases. And a massive state-funded plan tossing around the billions necessary to pull all this off will foster possible corruption and fraud along the way among people who are looking to cash in on whatever money the state is tossing out.
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This will also solve traffic jams.
Only the ruling elites will be able to afford a car. You will own nothing, and you will like it.
Well, if you live in an apartment now you have serious problems with charging at home. Just make permitting for the electric infrastructure in rentals and condos "difficult" and you can eliminate that pesky burden on climate and infrastructure right there. You'll need to pay a large premium for your housing to be able to charge a car.
The poors will just have to invest in better walkin' shoes.
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And you will have to walk everywhere because the only form of mass transit that has a zero carbon (at the vehicle) version available is rail and what exists for electric rail doesn't go where you need to go.
HSR! Taking you from where you aren't to where you don't want to be much slower than an airplane!
It will also solve car chases.
Not to mention the housing crunch.
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$80/hr won’t be nearly enough to pay your electric bill in California in a few years.
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Any concern about the fact that there isn't enough rare earth elements to switch to an electric fleet... Oh wait you will own nothing
I would like to see a spreadsheet showing how much fairy dust goes into their projections. Just getting to 5% has driven prices way up on all the inputs. Imagine what the last 95% will do.
One of my favorite little digs in the HBO Watchmen series is how the only reason everyone drives an electric car is because Dr. Manhattan exnihilated the required minerals from across spacetime. Really helps with the suspension of disbelief.
Pretending there ARE enough rare earths, some of the mining is filthy. Like cobalt, for instance, is very hard to mine without environmental damage. Lithium too, for different reasons.
We've largely left Cobalt, Lithium, Neodymium, etc production elsewhere. China has a lock on a lot of it. The fact that the refining is causing massive pollution doesn't matter because it's in Mongolia. We don't have to see it, right? But current battery and motor technologies rely on some very dirty sources, and other "green" infrastructure like solar panels are very energy intensive to manufacture. None of it scales well with current technology, even if you had plenty of raw materials. It's a huge bundle of worms.
tl:dr -- even if we could get what we need for batteries, onshoring it will massively drive up costs due to environmental mitigations at the mines.
Not to mention that the materials for the magnets for high efficiency electric motors come from Ukraine.
The fact that the refining is causing massive pollution doesn't matter because it's in Mongolia. We don't have to see it, right?
American SOP since the passage of Clean Air Act.
The American urban clerisy, in any case.
tl:dr -- even if we could get what we need for batteries, onshoring it will massively drive up costs due to environmental mitigations at the mines.
And it's not really straightforward from the other end as well. The first Tesla Roadster rolled off the line in 2009 and they sold their millionth in 2020. CA has some 30 million registered vehicles. Admittedly, locking in a 30M unit market creates a bit of a self-sustaining meteoric rise, but still, New York or Denmark or someplace else goes all-electric in the same time period and you're fucked.
Yeah, the numbers are against it on all sides.
It is a pretty big ask. It will be interesting to see how it pans out, but I am pessimistic.
My guess is they pushed the date out as far as they did because they know it's bullshit and that gives them time to find an excuse for going back on the legislation they write today years down the line.
Basically it's a trick to get manufacturers to swap over and damn the consequences. All that's really important is social signaling to the voters of today, nobody cares about auto purchasers in 2036.
And this incredibly wide reaching decision is being made by an executive branch pseudo-legislative body, not the representatives of the voters in the real state legislature.
This is a stupid, unworkable policy that will have far reaching effects made by an insulated bureaucracy.
It was explained to me some years ago by the proto-Libertarianism Plus movement that these agencies are necessary because they have the expertise that the legislative members don't have.
The Republican districts are in the northern rural parts of the state, so if the rule wipes them out, all to the good. Not that anyone in state government planned for that or even thought about it for a minute.
For most of the state bureaucrats and voters, the state is a 50 mile wide strip along the ocean from San Diego to Santa Rosa.
Red Barchetta.
I foresee a lot of unforeseen consequences. Notably, if CA goes all-electric, none of the rest of us have to meet CA emissions standards anymore, right? RIGHT?!?
Wrong. The emission standard will be "We're towing your unapproved ICE car, sir based on California emissions standards. Here's a list of approved vendors for your efficient, equity-based electric car. Please sign on the line under the section marked 'Climate Justice'. Thank you, here's your receipt, and here's my receipt for your receipt. What's your hat size, btw?"
Right. So all the people employed by emissions testing centers, all the muffler and brake shops, all the parts manufacturers and distributors, they all get pink slips or go on notice Jan. 1, 2035? Newsome better not leave CA.
Too bad Chris Farley's dead, I think a sequel to Tommy Boy would do well.
Turns out "a Prius for everyone" was a threat.
I love how Reason is willing to go out on a limb to call out the looters on their fantastical ideas that have no hope whatsoever of actually coming to fruition, but constantly hedge on the incremental socialism that will completely consume freedom and prosperity if allowed to progress.
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One of the reasons I moved out of CA in 2015 was the annual shitshow consisting of whatever fever dreams, crackpot schemes, and vile hatred of people not living in the coastal strip could be scooped up with a shovel and formed into bills to be passed by the legislature. It just became too much to bear.
It was noted above that this was implemented by a non-elected body.
Kind of. The agency was ordered to put this plan together by an elected official: Gavin Newsom, who California residents have enthusiastically voted for... repeatedly.
Well, yes, however an elected dictator remains a dictator.
Jay Inslee nods in agreement.
You know who else became a dictator after being elected?
FDR?
Every Roman dictator ever?
I see a burgeoning market for reselling brand new cars with 300 miles on them as used vehicles.
Or opening a dealership 50 yards from the ca border.
Until they outlaw the filling stations. For great justice.
Mechanics shop. If the shortage of rare earth metals and general inability for production to meet demand is any indication, you should be able to check the air filters and top off all the fluids, including gas, for around $500 and still be cheaper, per mile, than EVs.
I think I will open a gas station in CA that will sell a gallon of gas for $25,000 and throw in a free Kia.
I vaguely remember some time ago reading that California would now allow cars bought out of state to be registered in California unless they had at least 7000 miles on them.
Nevada auto dealers stand to gain the most from this legislation.
Came here to post this. This won't do anything to reduce the number of gas vehicles on the road in California. It will just cause every Californian to drive to another state to get a car.
Supporters of the ban see California as leading the way to what will eventually become a new standard, the elimination of gas-powered vehicles as a mechanism of reducing polluting emissions across the country and replacing them with electric vehicles
Lets not talk about all the mining and refining that has to happen to obtain the resources necessary to build and maintain electric vehicles I suppose.
We can just buy it from China once the Republican party is completely destroyed and we reward the Chinese with Most Favored Trading Partner status. It will only cost us Taiwan and a Pacific Rim country to be named later.
I know that your post is snark, and it's funny, but it's alarming how stupid people want to talk about the planet then forget that countries like India and China are on Earth.
This is what happens when you let people who are completely ignorant of physics and engineering to make laws dealing with physics and engineering. California does not have enough electricity, or transmission capability or the street level electrical infrastructure to deal with electric cars now. What is going to happen when you 13 million more? Meltdown. And it is not a 30% increase in power consumption, it is more like 100%. Take all the gas and diesel consumed in this country and convert that kilowatt-hours - it is about equal to all the electricity we generate. It will require doubling our generation - actually much more when you consider all the existing nuclear, coal and gas power plants they want to decommission. These people thing electricity comes from an outlet.
"These people thing electricity comes from an outlet."
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My beloved grandmother, my dearest friend, maintained that there was no water shortage in NYC, since every time she opened the tap, water came out. I loved that woman dearly, but a deep thinker she was not.
Perhaps she has been reborn in California.
you forgot completely ignorant of economics too.
It's about an 80% increase. Shockingly they are understating it.
I read an article recently, can't remember where, about the problem of EVs in disaster situations. So imagine Katrina with only electric cars all of which will have to be charged with enough power to get out of the danger zone. We could be talking about hundreds of thousands of vehicles. What if the grid goes down. How the fuck does this work?
PG&E won't be able to buy enough liability insurance to string more power lines through forested areas.
And CAs special form of natural disaster is particular prone to knocking out underground and overhead powerlines. One big earthquake in LA County and they'll have 20 million people with no transportation. It is going to be a bloodbath. I love it! Bring it on, CA!
Who has the most expensive intercontinental price for electricity?
Commie-CA!!!!
Simple math..... ( An 89 Geo Metro has 55HP )
60HP is 44.74KW (say on a 12hr drive) x 12 = 536.88KWH
In CA at per KWH price of $0.2702 = $145 for a 12hr drive
On a GEO METRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that figure doesn't even account for electric motor losses (~85% efficiency). And just never-mind about the extra fuel-up time, and just never-mind about everyone being stuck behind a Geo Metro powerhouse and just never-mind, never-mind, never-mind... Stupid is; is stupid does.
Duct tape a solar panel to the roof.
And a sail for when it's cloudy.
TJ, while I'm loathe to support this in any way, you aren't using the full power of the car at all times. That would be like someone driving 12 hours continuously with the pedal floored.
Yes true; but with only 60hp it isn't going to take much of a climb to "keep the pedal floored".. Perhaps someone trustworthy can comment on the current status of their EV vehicle. Trustworthy being a very hard resource to come by.
Washington to California: Hold my Kombucha
I'll happily 'reduce' my carbon emissions to that of Jay Inslee.
So, make cars more expensive and force more plebes to public transit. More room on the freeways for the Tesla class.
And place an even bigger load on the ever more unreliable Green Energy grid, leading to more rolling blackouts. And ban gas generators so you have no backup. And ban gas appliances so you can't heat or cool your house, or cook, when the power is out.
Smart.
Fuck Gavin Newsome
Good news is that prices of gas powered cars will start dropping pretty quickly. Was planning to get a plug in hybrid or EV for my next car, but why should I pay 50k at least when I can get a gas powered car for half of that?
Humorously; Obama's diesel mandates made older (without the B.S.) trucks price higher than the new one's with that garbage... It also opened up an entire Black-Market industry of delete the garbage kits.
I'd predict gas powered cars will start doubling pretty quickly as supply becomes obsolete and everyone realizes their bicycle(wanna-be car) with a solar panel just doesn't cut it for every situation a bicycle just doesn't cut it.
The Depopulate California by 2035 Act
Sadly the self-centered leaches will just keep migrating..
Also not discussed much is the effect of a blackout. Add not being able to drive to the effect.
" . . . and most certainly Californians who want to buy gas-powered vehicles are going to purchase them in other states and bring them to California."
OR
and most certainly Californians who want to buy gas-powered vehicles are going to purchase them in other states and stay there.
Unless California brings 20 or more nuclear power plants on line well before 2035, this will force Californians to purchase cars in neighboring states or drive their current cars to 500,000 miles