Sotomayor vs. Roberts on Religion, Schools, and the First Amendment
“A State violates the Free Exercise Clause when it excludes religious observers from otherwise available public benefits,” the Supreme Court held.

The First Amendment prohibits the government from "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." In her dissent yesterday in the school choice case Carson v. Makin, Justice Sonia Sotomayor accused Chief Justice John Roberts of tipping the scales overwhelmingly and unfairly in favor of the Free Exercise Clause. "This Court continues to dismantle the wall of separation between church and state that the Framers fought to build," she declared.
The case centered on a Maine program that provides tuition assistance to the families of students who live in a district that does not operate its own secondary school. Those families may use that assistance to send their kids to a secondary school of their own choosing, either public or private, so long as it meets certain state standards. One key restriction was that families and students were forbidden from choosing a private school that offered "sectarian" education, even if that school otherwise met the state's standards.
The central legal question in the case was whether the state was engaging in religious discrimination by letting the attendees of non-religious private schools participate in this government program while denying the attendees (and would-be attendees) of religious private schools the same opportunity. Roberts' majority opinion held that such a violation had occurred. "We have repeatedly held that a State violates the Free Exercise Clause when it excludes religious observers from otherwise available public benefits," the chief justice wrote. "A State may not withhold unemployment benefits, for instance, on the ground that an individual lost his job for refusing to abandon the dictates of his faith."
Sotomayor's dissent called that entire approach into question. "Today's decision directs the State of Maine (and, by extension, its taxpaying citizens) to subsidize institutions that undisputedly engage in religious activity," she argued.
Roberts offered a different view of what the First Amendment allows. "A neutral benefit program in which public funds flow to religious organizations through the choices of private benefit recipients does not offend the Establishment Clause," he wrote. At the same time, "a State's antiestablishment interest does not justify enactments that exclude some members of the community from an otherwise generally available public benefit because of their religious exercise."
Sotomayor's reading of the First Amendment would effectively bar religious organizations and individuals from accessing various public programs if the state opted to exclude them, as Maine tried to do here. And her reasoning would extend beyond the school choice context (such as to the unemployment benefits example that Roberts mentioned). By contrast, Roberts' view of the First Amendment offered greater protections for religious groups and individuals in the face of state action.
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Think the wise latina was off the mark on this by a mile.
I guess I should read her dissent, but it seems so obviously stupid that I can't imagine it's a good use of my time. Yes, money will flow from state to church coffers. And? It sure isn't "Establishment".
Agreed. And I'm certainly no antidisestablishmentarian. But this is entirely a choice issue. "You can go to any school you want" is not Establishment. "You must attend a school run by the Church of Rooster Worship, by law" is Establishment.
I'm also glad to see choice here.
The problem is, all schools indoctrinate. And I don't use that word in a bad way, just to mean that the very choice of curriculum and its framing greatly affect students who are, but their nature and stage of life, quite easily formed and led.
Just because Jesuits have been around a long time or Catholics have a church next door to their school doesn't mean their educational standards are low -- all have to be accredited to prove their curriculum is adequate. And schools not affiliated with a "religion" in the old sense can very much have a bent. Progressive secular schools are as religious as some religious schools were when I was growing up. It's just the union not the penguins who are enforcing the conformist progressive orthodoxy.
The way to break the public school/union hegemony is to be able to take the tax dollars to a school that teaches the way you want your kids taught.
Santa Clara University is Jesuit run, and I had a friend work there for a while (before his monsignor duties moved him on to other universities). It's quite well regarded academically, and is by no means a "Catholics only" place. It also has a decidedly libertarian bent due to the presence of Fred Foldvary and David Friedman.
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Santa Clara University is Jesuit run
So is the University of San Francisco, which is also fairly well regarded academically. I have an old friend, an atheist, who works there, and the fact that it's "Jesuit" really doesn't seem to have much impact on hiring - it's simply another pod in the international academic monoculture.
The state already has educational standards for schools. If the school meets those standards, excluding them based solely on religion seems pretty obviously discriminatory. As long as multiple different religious and non-religious schools are receiving the funds, you'd need someone with a lot more intellectual firepower to convince anyone it is an "establishment" of religion.
Someone mentioned in the other comment thread that, if Sotomayor's rationale held true, there's no reason a government couldn't decline for its fire department to put out a burning church.
I saw that comment in the Volokh article, and someone else quoted something similar from the decision itself. It seems so blindingly obvious that I cannot imagine a valid counter. If the government takes your taxes for some public benefit, that public benefit has to be available to everybody. They don't get to discriminate based on religion.
Of course, the real solution is for the government to not take taxes and not provide any public benefits. Or at least a lot fewer of them.
Yeah, but the benefit that Maine actually provided was a secular public education. That was, in fact, available to everyone, either through public schools or subsidized non-sectarian private schools. Why should a state be obligated to provide religious education just because it provides secular education? If that's the rule (and I suspect that's where the Court is headed next), won't that gut public education in this country?
re: "but the benefit that Maine actually provided was a secular public education"
No, that was not the benefit provided. First, this program only kicks in when the local community is unable to provide a public education at all. Second, nothing in the statute nor in Maine's constitution stipulates or requires the education of minors to be secular. The benefit that Maine provided is an education - full stop and no qualifiers.
Don't give them any ideas. "Oh, your corporate headquarters is on fire, but one of your subsidiaries kills spotted owls or doesn't fly a rainbow flag, so you're now un-personed and we can't use public resources to put out your fire."
So no student loans for students choosing religious affiliated colleges, no VA benefits at religious affiliated hospitals, no medicare or social security for Christians or Jews or Muslims (etc).
Reads like a balanced budget to me.
Or a revolution.
Epiphany: I hereby declare the creation of the "First United Church of Scary Black Rifles with Shoulder Things That Go Up." Thou shalt not touch our sacred relics.
Much like progressives declare others to be racists or Nazis, can we declare people and companies worshipers of the cult of climate change or Moloch then use the Wise Latinx logic to deny them all kinds of federal funds?
"You can qualify for a tax refund only if you promise you're not going to donate it to any religious-backed charity."
Fuck off. If the money is serving a private cause-the education of a kid-then let the family decide where the money goes.
The analogy I heard was "If you don't want funding to follow a child to a parochial school, why the hell are you arguing for Biden to expunge your college debt to Georgetown and Notre Dame?"
People claim this is a false analogy, but I don't see how.
The key is that the money should NOT go to the school, but to the child and parents. I'm not sure of the details of the Maine program, but it sounds like "tuition assistance" meaning the money goes to the child and parents, and not directly to the schools.
Another analogy, would you forbid food stamp recipients from buying groceries from a church owned grocer?
What if the religious school only charges tuition for the non-sectarian classes?
I'm curious about the areas of Maine that can support multiple private schools but can't fund a public high school.
I think the closer analogy, is would you object to a welfare recipient spending money on a bible.
To an extent, this is more than just "who is teaching". There is also "What is being taught". Generally these religious schools are teaching religion as well.
I still side with Roberts here. But I'm pointing out that people aren't concerned about who owns the vendor, but what is being consumed.
I went to religious grade school and high schools. They have to teach everything that the public schools are required to teach (and usually perform a lot better than them in those areas, at a significantly reduced cost per student). They just also have a religion class as well. Most semesters, anyway.
The catholic school in the town where I grew up was elementary only -- K-8. A lot of parents tended to mainstream the kids in public schools in Jr high, though some went all the way through 8th grade.
When those kids came in in the 6th, 7th, or 8th grade they were always a full year ahead of public school kids in reading and math. The ones who mainstreamed at the high school were definitely a fll year ahead.
My Jr High didn't even have an algebra course, the catholic school kids could get algebra in the 7th and 8th grades if they wanted, so they'd start high school in geometry and be doing calculus at a jr college as seniors.
Somehow they did that even with 2 hours of religious studies 3 days a week.
I know. But the point stands. People aren't objecting to a school owned by religious folk. They are objecting to paying for a curriculum that includes Sky God stuff.
Again, I am not disagreeing with Roberts. I think if the government will pay for history or philosophy or environmentalism, they are basically touching on religion anyway.
No, the people objecting are objecting to religion or anything else that could stand against their god government. Ownership, curriculum doesn't matter to these people.
""They are objecting to paying for a curriculum that includes Sky God stuff.""
Probably says something about their idea of free college tuition. Free college will not include any unfavored colleges.
I know many non-Catholics who went to Catholic schools. It didn't seem to turn any of them into Catholics.
Actually a pretty big discussion within the Catholic community now. Because a lot of Catholic schools also don't manage to keep Catholics as Catholic.
I know many non-Catholics who went to Catholic schools. It didn't seem to turn any of them into Catholics.
My daughter currently attends a Catholic school. She was more interested in Catholicism before she started going there. She has now concluded she doesn't like it.
I'm curious about the areas of Maine that can support multiple private schools but can't fund a public high school.
Well, town tuitioning* has been around since the 19th century... that's a helluva lot of time for private schools to establish themselves in the absence of public school competition - particularly when the "non sectarian" requirement was only added in the early 1980's.
*that is the actual term -- this is not a voucher program despite the headlines. The money flows from the sending town directly to the private school.
Sotomayor: probably the most blatant partisan hack on the courts
...and yet she often finds common ground with Gorsuch.
It depends on the topic. She's solid on Fourth Amendment issues - and that's mostly where you'll find that common ground. She's prolific but not nearly as good a writer on other areas of the law.
Wait until Justice Affirmative Action gets going.
Which one is that? The new diversity hire Biden appointed?
Would that be the woman who can't define what a woman is?
Does she know she is Black?
Is she a human? Only a biologist can truly know.
Pointing out the phrase "wall of separation between church and state" comes from a letter Jefferson wrote as President, well after the Constitutional Convention which Jefferson did not directly participate in. Sotomayor's use here to justify her reasoning is an anachronism. The 1st Amendment originally did not even prevent the state governments from having established churches. To suggest her reading is what the Framers intended is bizarre, to say the least.
And Jefferson's letter was directed at ministers who were afraid the government could eliminate their churches. It was actually in support of religions as being free from the state interference or discrimination. But instead it's now used to justify discrimination against religion by the state. Ironic.
Not a subtle distinction - the payments are to the parents. The parents choose where to send their children.
Pell Grants assist tuition at Notre Dame, Holy Cross, Georgetown, Boston College, Xavier, etc., all Jesuit Universities, as well as SMU, TCU, Liberty and a host of other religious affiliated universities.
Please "wise latina" explain the distinction?
I agree with Roberts, but I'll give a shot at the response. I think Breyer calls this out more specifically.
Government programs may allow funds to be spent at a sectarian school, and it doesn't violate the establishment clause if they do
However, government programs may also deny funds to be spent at a sectarian school, and it does not violate the free exercise clause if they do that.
So then, there's a gap between the establishment and free exercise clauses that gives states some discretion whether or not those funds can flow to religious schools.
FWIW I disagree with that take, but I think that's the most reasonable explanation for it.
Depends on how they fill the gap. A seminary school with only a divinity degree I can see the denial, but something like BYU is too diverse in it's offerings to claim it's the state teaching religion even if that is a component of the curricula.
re: "government programs may also deny funds to be spent at a sectarian school"
True only if the government uses objective and non-prohibited criteria to deny funding. They can, for example, not fund any private schools. They can also deny funds to non-accredited schools. But they cannot deny funds on a discriminatory basis such as arbitrarily excluding minority-owned companies. Per this decision - and the prior decisions supporting Pell Grants and other tuition assistance - the government may not condition funding merely based on the religious or non-religious status of the school.
I appreciate your attempt to steel-man the argument in answer to Kyle's question but it still doesn't work.
The wise latina's argument is only valid if religion is in decline and not growing, ie it's becoming more fringe minority. Reality check: This will never be true, and anyone who thinks otherwise has watched way too much star trek.
Not on point, but does anyone else think that is a weird picture of Roberts?
It looks like he smelled a fart.
Sonia, you do a grave disservice to Americans by divorcing religion from America's foundational principles, as well as to "wise Latino/as" everywhere
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men & citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect & to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private & public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure—reason & experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
- President George Washington Farewell Address
19 September 1796
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/05-20-02-0440-0002
One would think a Supreme Court Justice would know that "wall of separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution. That one, Thomas Jefferson, not a framer of the Constitution, wrote that phrase in a private letter to the Danbury Baptists. Supreme Court Justices should be required to take a test on the Constitution prior to being sworn in. Besides, everyone is religious in one form or another. Why is only secular humanism allowed to be taught in our schools?
Supreme Court Justices should be required to take a test on the Constitution prior to being sworn in.
Where is that authorized by the constitution?
I don't think it violates the constitution. The Senate is tasked with approving Justices, but the constitution doesn't state how they conduct that approval, ergo, they could require a test on basic legal and constitutional analysis as part of the advise and consent duties.
In theory, that's exactly what the Senate confirmation process is supposed to do. In practice, the testers (that is, the Senators) are even more ignorant about the Constitution so how could they possible create or grade the test properly?
"This Court continues to dismantle the wall of separation between church and state that the Framers fought to build," she declared.
Perhaps the Wise Latina could learn some history and know that the separation was designed to protect religion from the state.
She'd probably declare a State building a public road that runs by a Church, a violation of the 'Establishment' clause. And no Senorita, the Framers did not establish any 'wall of separation' applicable to any State - only Congress was prohibited. Jefferson's letter affirms this as well.
Sotomayor and Kagan are both just low IQ midwits. It's embarrassing that they are supreme court justices.
Politics is the new religion. Demanding I pay taxes is religious establishment.
The 'establishment' of religion means creating a state run government sponsored church--the Church of England is what the founders had in mind when writing this.
OR the state favoring one church over all others.
THAT'S what the government is forbidden from doing.
A benefit that is open to everyone is not either of those things.
How can anyone be any kind of judge and not grasp that fundamental fact?
The first amendment exists to prevent government from screwing with religion.
It does NOT exist to prevent religion from affecting government. It CAN'T. Because that would be the state screwing with religion.
Because that would be the state screwing with religion.
Woke. its a thing. Read up on it.
This should be a reminder that any time someone is paying for something you use they have power over you.
Any time the government spends money they are taking away your freedom.
I took Biblical literature at my public high school in Iowa. I learned more about the bible there than 7 years in Catholic School.
"This Court continues to dismantle the wall of separation between church and state that the Framers fought to build," The Framers never fought to build any such thing.