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Pro-Life Identification Falls to Lowest Level Since 1996

Plus: Michigan prisons ban Spanish and Swahili dictionaries, a win against New York's ban on "unauthorized" legal advice, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 6.3.2022 9:30 AM

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Pro-choice protesters in Washington, DC, on May 3, 2022, in response to leaked Supreme Court opinion | Samuel Corum / CNP / SplashNews/Newscom
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Another poll finds rising support for reproductive freedom in America. The poll—largely conducted in the wake of a Supreme Court draft opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade going public—shows that support for legal abortion is at a near-record high in the U.S.

Fifty-five percent of respondents in the most recent Gallup poll identified as pro-choice—up six percentage points from spring 2021 polling.

The poll's record-high year for pro-choice identification was 1995, when it stood at 56 percent. That year was "the only other time it has been at the current level or higher," notes Gallup.

Meanwhile, the 39 percent of respondents identifying as pro-life in this year's poll marks the lowest level of pro-life identification since 1996.

Over the past decade, pro-choice identification has hovered between 45 percent and 50 percent. Last year's poll found 49 percent of respondents identifying as pro-choice and 47 percent identifying as pro-life.

Graph of pro-choice and pro-life identification over the past few decades | Gallup
(Gallup)

"The increase in pro-choice identification over the past year is mainly driven by Democrats; 88%, up from 70% last year, consider themselves pro-choice," notes Gallup:

The poll also shows significant increases in pro-choice identification among Democratic-leaning groups, including younger adults and women. Pro-choice identification increased by nine percentage points to 61% among women, 12 points to 67% among adults aged 18 to 34 and nine points to 58% among adults aged 35 to 54. The percentage "pro-choice" did not change significantly among Republicans, independents, men or older Americans.

The latest poll—involving 1,007 American adults—was conducted between May 2 and May 22. The leaked draft of a Supreme Court opinion upending legal protection for abortion access was first revealed on the evening of May 2.

Other measures of pro-choice sentiment in the most recent Gallup poll have also inched—or catapulted—higher.

This year, 52 percent of those surveyed said abortion is morally acceptable, while just 38 percent said it's morally unacceptable—a 14 percent gap, up from a 1 percent gap last year. In Gallup's 2021 poll, 47 percent said abortion was morally acceptable and 46 percent said it was unacceptable.

People surveyed recently were also less likely to say that abortion should be illegal under all circumstances. This year, only 13 percent said abortion should always be illegal—down from 19 percent last year and the lowest percentage holding this position since 1995.

At the same time, the 35% wanting it legal under any circumstances is the highest in Gallup's trend by one point, after increasing slightly each of the past three years.

The combined percentage of people who said it should be legal in most or all circumstances is now 53 percent, up from 45 percent in 2021, while the percentage saying it should be illegal in all or most circumstances fell from 52 percent to 45 percent.


FREE MINDS

Michigan prisons are afraid of prisoners learning "obscure language[s]" … like Spanish. The Michigan Department of Corrections has banned both Spanish and Swahili dictionaries in the past year. "If certain prisoners all decided to learn a very obscure language, they would be able to then speak freely in front of staff and others about introducing contraband or assaulting staff or assaulting another prisoner," prisons spokesperson Chris Gautz told NPR. "When it's in a language that we don't have the ability to read ourselves and understand exactly what it is that we're looking for, we're not able to allow it in."


FREE MARKETS

Upsolve has won the right to offer legal advice in New York. The nonprofit aimed to offer low-income New Yorkers free legal advice related to debt collection. But this would run afoul of the state's unauthorized practice of law (UPL) statute. Cato Institute research fellow Thomas A. Berry explains more:

Upsolve narrowly challenged New York's UPL law, as applied to their program, on First Amendment grounds. And last week, in a first‐​of‐​its‐​kind decision, a federal judge agreed and blocked New York from enforcing its UPL laws against Upsolve's volunteers. The opinion is not just an enormous win for expanding access to justice. It is also a precedent that could serve as a model for challenges to other overbroad regulations of so‐​called "speaking professions."

In the opinion ruling for Upsolve, Judge Paul Crotty of the Southern District of New York recognized that Upsolve volunteers want to provide "pure verbal speech." As Judge Crotty explained, Upsolve volunteers did not want to "file pleadings, represent clients in court, or handle client funds," all activities that can more plausibly be described as a mixture of speech and conduct. Instead, Upsolve volunteers will only give advice outside a courtroom setting. And in Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project (2010) the Supreme Court "unanimously concluded [that] the giving of expert advice was speech, not conduct."


QUICK HITS

.@RepThomasMassie proposes an amendment that would allow 18-year-olds who register for the draft to buy guns.

Jerry Nadler opposes on grounds that 18-year-olds brains haven't matured yet.

Massie points out that they'll send them to war but not let them buy a gun. pic.twitter.com/0u0J4jPwjQ

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) June 2, 2022

• The new conservative culture war battles are "distinctly different from the culture wars of the late 20th century, and it reflects a broad shift in conservatism's priorities and worldview," suggests National Review fellow Nate Hochman in The New York Times. "The conservative political project is no longer specifically Christian. That may seem strange to say at a moment when a mostly Catholic conservative majority on the Supreme Court appears poised to overturn Roe v. Wade. But a reversal of the landmark 1973 ruling would be more of a last gasp than a sign of strength for the religious right."

• "Prosecutors in Nashville, Tennessee; DeKalb County, Georgia; Fairfax County, Virginia; and Durham County, North Carolina have all said abortion-related prosecutions won't be a high priority for their departments, or they directly stated that they will not enforce state bans," reports Axios.

• Ilya Shapiro is starting as a senior lecturer at Georgetown University, following a four-month investigation by the school's human-resources department and Office of  Institutional Diversity, Equity and Affirmative Action over Shapiro's tweet criticizing President Joe Biden's decision to limit his Supreme Court nominee pool to women of color.

• A mask mandate returns to parts of the Bay Area.

• Homeland Security is once again rounding up runaway teens and tweens and portraying it as a brave anti-sex trafficking mission:

https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/1532461711382282240?s=12&t=1waAjyI8rDz3z9WvbEbABg

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Jerry Nadler opposes on grounds that 18-year-olds brains haven't matured yet.

    Massie points out that they'll send them to war but not let them buy a gun.

    That's why they're perfect for war?

    1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

      Nadler is afraid the US government might be for some reason mistaken for an enemy of the American people.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        That some people might realize that some 75-yr.-old brains haven't matured yet and shouldn't be deciding if 18 yr. olds can have guns *or* go to war.

        1. MatthewSlyfield   3 years ago

          That some people might realize that some 75-yr.-old brains have decayed....

          FTFY

    2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      Here is yet another reason for people in general and Canadians in pqrticular to support the right to keep and bear arms:

      QAnon leader who claims she is Queen of Canada declares herself leader of the world
      Ariana Baio
      https://www.indy100.com/politics/qanon-leader-romana-didulo

      Yep, Canada's slap-on-the-wriat for her previous death threats done under color of title have really given her a big head to upgrade her delusions of grandeur!

      Another slap on the wrist and she'll be Queen of The Solar System!

      A universally-armed Canadian populace would have kept her from being queen of any jurisdiction larger than her hòuse and any person dumb enough to marry her and cater to her whims.

      Arm up, Canucks! Or the Great White North will be filled with these reincarnated Idi Amins!

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        People whose name is an anagram of "u dildo" should be careful of calling attention to themselves.

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        She's a fifty-five year old aboriginal internet personality who likes to say outrageous shit as part of her persona. She can be funny as hell. The fact that the author of your link pretends to take her seriously and portrays her as some sort of threat is beyond fucking stupid.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          I wonder what those idiots would have done with Andy Kaufman nowadays.

          1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

            Andy Kaufman wasn't an international terrorist.

            1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

              To mis-quote Yoda -
              He will be; he will be.

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              But Latka Gravas sure as hell was.

            3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              How the hell is she an international terrorist? Give your head a shake.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                This actually pisses me off, because her supposed "threats" were so obviously not threats and the "investigation" was so obviously a political witch hunt.

                I'll spell it out for you; She doesn't actually think that she's the Queen of Canada and her and her fans are just having fun.

                Stop falling for bullshit all the time, Encog.

                1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                  You'll think they're funny when they shoot you while passing the cheese pizza section of the grocery store.

              2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                She made "cease-and-desist" orders and made threats to businesses and individhals who didn't toe her line on COVID-19 and vaccines and she did so across national borders.

        2. Nardz   3 years ago

          Encog rides the short bus.

          1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

            Nardz is the jabbering hitchhiker no one should pick up.

            1. Nardz   3 years ago

              See?

        3. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

          She's not only made threats to people whose agenda she disagrees with, but has done so beyond Canadian borders. That makes her an international terrorist.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Lol. Lock her up for words.

            1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

              If it's communicating threats, yes. What the fuck is wrong with you?

              1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                Words are violence.

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                  Get woke! Unfounded fears that somebody might someday say words are violence.

                2. Ajsloss   3 years ago

                  Silence is also violence.

                  1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                    But destroying and looting stores and burning buildings (with people inside) is speech.

                    Did I get this right?

                    1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                      Where the fuck did I say that?

                      Communicating threats and carrying them out are both wrong.

              2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                How valid is a threat someone makes from Canada with no plane tickets bought to someone in Australia?

                Should all the resistance members calling for trumps death be in jail?

                1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                  Sure. Madonna too.

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    Lol. Wow.

              3. Agammamon   3 years ago

                We're American and 'communicating threats' is more complicated under American law that just saying a threat.

                So, no - do not lock her up.

              4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                "If it's communicating threats, yes. What the fuck is wrong with you?

                Those "threats" weren't direct or remotely credible. They were obvious jokes and performance theatre. She knew it, her fans knew it and the people who demanded an investigation all knew it.

                Stop being so deliberately gullible.

              5. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                If it's communicating threats, yes. What the fuck is wrong with you?

                Shut the fuck up, Preet.

                1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                  Get your sock puppet identifier checked, Rock Head.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                    Go jump in a woodchipper, Preet.

              6. R Mac   3 years ago

                The Babylon Bee should be arrested for slander.

                1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

                  That's coming.

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      People should have all rights when they are adults or limited to kids.

      Voting should be tied to the age for alcohol, guns, weed, medical decisions, etc.

      1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

        Ridiculous. Those apples, oranges and doorknobs have nothing to do with each other. Minimum ages should be determined rationally based on average mental development. Your "all or nothing" makes no sense.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      That's also why 18 year olds are perfect for voting (D).

    5. Bill Falcon   3 years ago

      NYC Bolsheviks like Nadler wrecked NY State. Massie fucking owned that fat POS. But I'm sure the Reason wokes will take Nadler's pov..Massie isn't a cosmo woke, he has an actual engineering degree and small business owner and lives in rural Kentucky.

      As for abortion..when do you draw the line ENB? Five minutes before birth? That's the problem, isn't it? Not reproductive rights..you have a right to not have sex or take contraception. And why shouldn't the man also have a say in this if he is going to be legally obligated to support?

    6. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      Yes, it is precisely BECAUSE young men in late adolescence are easily influenced, impulsive, and reckless that they are the most desirable conscripts. Those qualities are obviously not desirable in civilians carrying weapons in normal society.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Prosecutors in Nashville, Tennessee; DeKalb County, Georgia; Fairfax County, Virginia; and Durham County, North Carolina have all said abortion-related prosecutions won't be a high priority for their departments...

    No assets to seize, no federal grant money to obtain.

    1. tracerv   3 years ago

      Come to Nashville for the music, stay for the abortions.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Like many guns lost in boating accidents, many babies will be lost while square dancing.

        1. Eeyore   3 years ago

          Also ice fishing accidents and moose attacks.

          https://babylonbee.com/news/record-number-of-canadians-tragically-lose-handguns-in-ice-fishing-accidents

          "Lost my 9mm while ice fishing, I did. And then a moose ate my assault rifle! Wild, ay?"

  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A mask mandate returns to parts of the Bay Area.

    To be fair, they've voting Democrat no matter what.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      They just want everyone in the other parts of the Bay Area to die.

    2. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      To be fair, you seen the other side?

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Like a choice between the Democrat's SS versus Dad's Army.

      2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        Authorities have no reason to govern their abuses if they're guaranteed tacit voter support.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Voting Democrat? Are you sure? What happened to all the delusional peoples' socialist green republic parties in the Bay Area?

      1. DesigNate   3 years ago

        Democrats got them kicked off the ballots so it looks like they’ve got more support than they really do?

  4. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    ……. Shapiro's tweet criticizing President Joe Biden's…….

    There’s you problem right there.

  5. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

    A majority? How long until they realize how uncool it is to be "the man"?

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Looking at the last five years on the historical graph she provided, I'm going to call bullshit on that one poll.

      People are pretty locked in to their abortion positions and you're not going to get that kind of sudden swing towards baby killing in one year.

      1. Ben of Houston   3 years ago

        You might have a sudden swing in people wanting to talk about it publicly though. Some people are violent on this topic and the cautious don't want to provoke them

        Additionally, there are a non-trivial number people who are against it on principle but prefer it to be legal as a least-bad option. They may be leaving the pro-life label while not changing their position.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The increase in pro-choice identification over the past year is mainly driven by Democrats...

    And here I was afraid it was a myth that Dems are sprinting farther to the left.

    1. JohannesDinkle   3 years ago

      I wonder though how many support the idea of abortion rights up to the moment of live birth. The results of the poll are often an artifice of the way the question is asked.
      The stance on abortion rights by the public is nuanced and not easily defined by a simple poll.

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        If it were clearly defined, I'm guessing very, very few. 10-15%. The d's have managed to turn aborting full-term babies into women's healthcare. The r's have really fucked up by not pushing this as a separate issue to outright pro-lifing.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          If it were clearly defined

          ^ this. Remember, the average grade in Biology is a C. Just look at how the truly insidious lefties have managed to link pregnancy to slavery.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Chicago a D is 20% so many more high school graduates for democrats now.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              Grades are racist!

          2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            Until people can properly disconnect pregnancy from a woman...
            It is slavery...

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              All sex is rape.

              1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                Unless someone else is 'inside'.. Then it's 'you can't kill that rapist'!

                1. R Mac   3 years ago

                  Lol wut?

                  1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                    Throwing away the woman's right to her own body; just because something else is 'inside' her.

                    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                      Just to be clear. The eggs were not implanted by an outside party. The sperm, yes, but she was born with the eggs inside her. They developed while she was still in the womb. Oh, look, irony.

      2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

        I generally dismiss any poll that enforces a bias. This includes my own biases.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          One poll showing a humongous swing in just one year, after 20 years of near deadlock is pretty implausible.

          1. JimboJr   3 years ago

            ^this

            Id suspect if I went and conducted a poll that asked "would you rather have some restrictions on abortion or completely unrestricted abortion up to immediately before birth" the results would skew much more in the favor of some restriction and then I could announce "less people are pro-abortion! more people skewing toward pro-life!"

      3. Overt   3 years ago

        The question appears to be, "Do you define yourself Pro-Coice or Pro-Life" which really is like saying "Coke or Pepsi". It comes down to a brand affiliation.

        And as we see, the Democrats are all about brand these days.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Fuck pepsi. Fuck Brandon.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            The Democrats are Coke.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              How dare you sir.

            2. JimboJr   3 years ago

              ML, we are going to send you back to Trudeau with blasphemous comments such as this.

              The D's are def Pepsi

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                ^^ this.

                With communists being RC cola.

                1. DesigNate   3 years ago

                  Are Libertarians Dr. Pepper?

                  1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                    This Libertarian is SodaStream all the way! I make my own fizzy water and flavor it as I please.

            3. R Mac   3 years ago

              Next you’re going to tell me you’re a cat person, ML.

        2. Ajsloss   3 years ago

          Coke from the fountain, Pepsi from a can.

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Note how that information was pointedly left out.

        Meanwhile, in the real world, the "abortion all the way up until the feet emerge from the magic birth canal" crowd remains at about 20% despite the proglydyte chimpout.

  7. JesseAz   3 years ago

    IG report shows Capitol Police did actually photograph legislative work of GOP rep.

    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/exclusive-internal-probe-faults-capitol-police-photographing-congressmans

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      The problem with secret policing is that cops are notoriously bad at keeping secrets.

    2. Overt   3 years ago

      The deep state is a myth!

    3. Overt   3 years ago

      This report from the OIG is pretty stupid. "Officer showed terrible judgement".

      The OIG just finished saying that the Officer's story of how he entered the office could not be replicated. They know his story of the door being wide open is false. They know that he thus opened the door, went in and took pictures of their stuff. That isn't terrible judgement, it is a willful decision to break the law.

      The report reads like your standard Qualified Immunity nonsense. The officer was never trained that you can't illegally enter a congress critter's office and then photograph its contents, so the problem is training and policies.

      It's fucking obvious what was going on. This congressman has been criticizing the Capital Police for their handling of the Jan 6 riot. They don't like that. This officer, perhaps on his own, or perhaps part of a larger department effort, went in to find out more about the congressman's investigation.

      You can take or leave this guy's theories about Jan 6. But the capital police breaking and entering into the office of a guy who is specifically critical of them is manifestly wrong, whether his theories are accurate or bullshit.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        It is amazing how all of these actions also occur in one direction. This is similar to the Obama administration spying on members of Congress to figure out who was communicating with Isreal so the administration could counter talking points during the Israeli elections.

      2. HorseConch   3 years ago

        It's the kind of thing that validates his theories, even if they're not true.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Who you gonna believe? Your own lying eyes or the account of the secret police as reported by the official government propaganda agency?

    4. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      And they said the door was just standing open.......when it automatically closes and locks.

  8. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/06/02/groomers-say-kids-will-be-exposed-to-nudity-and-kink-at-pride-parades-but-dont-worry-its-educational-n1602849

    Groomers Say Kids Will Be Exposed to 'Nudity and Kink' at Pride Parades, But Don't Worry, It's 'Educational'

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      After all, it is just common sense that chaps can be worn without pants...

      1. DesigNate   3 years ago

        My assless chaps protect you, your assless chaps protect me.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      The activist parent discussing big dicked beanie babies and how her kids laugh at it now is just wrong.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      There's nothing quite like a pride parade to reinforce the notion that the alphabet sex cultists are just a bunch of perverts.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        https://twitter.com/HollyBriden/status/1532500791097184257?t=KYsriw24G-2F7-xYfwvB8A&s=19

        Good [thread emoji] Just answer their questions honestly. Last year at a kink event our 3 year-old asked “Mommy, why is that dog-man licking that woman’s penis in public?” we explained to her that he was showing people how proud he is. Now she wants to be proud too.
        [Link]

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          Oh thank god! She stands with Ukraine. I was worried for a second there.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          That was a hilarious thread. Took a second for my sarcasm detector to sound though.

    4. R Mac   3 years ago

      Nuh uh.

      — Lying Jeffy

  9. JesseAz   3 years ago

    The peanut allergy all over again! Keeping kids inside and over sanitizing all surfaces have stunted children's immune systems.

    Thanks Covid.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-restrictions-stunted-kids-immune-systems-could-explain-surge

    1. Overt   3 years ago

      "Thanks Covid"

      Are you sure it's Covid we ought to thank? Hows about the NEU?

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        There have been decades of research against over sanitization and increase in various allergies and illness. We have studies showing kids with less allergies if they have pets in the home as a glaring example. It is sad that the covid panic ignored all this research with the wipes and clorox sprays.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Howard Hughes approves (of the wipes and sprays).

        2. Overt   3 years ago

          Sigh.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The Michigan Department of Corrections has banned both Spanish and Swahili dictionaries in the past year.

    I hope there were also some Scandinavian or Slavic dictionaries in there, too, of this could be problematic.

    1. Eeyore   3 years ago

      Spanish is a very obscure language in Michigan? The fk?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        In prisons, maybe? If so, good for them.

        No, wait. The concern would be obscure for guards, not necessarily inmates. In which case they might have some hiring issues.

    2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      I remember seeing an episode of the show Gangland where Neo-Nazi gangs like The Aryan Brotherhood were using American Sign Language and a code written by Francis Bacon to send messages to each other on who to kill in prison.

      Yep, they are definitely not becoming Anne Sullivans and International Man globetrotting early retirers with this stuff.

    3. Think It Through   3 years ago

      Wouldn't it be ok to ban speaking non-English in front of guards, but allowing any language to be learned?

      Maybe I'm too simple.

  11. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Primary election on DeKalb County Georgia shows election ballot machine off by thousands of votes when compared to a hand recount.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/new-election-integrity-fears-georgia-county-ballot-machines-thousands

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      No widespread corruption.

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        Definitely a local issue.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Democrats even cheat Democrats.

        Why are these machines reprogrammed for every election? It should just be database management of candidate names entered, not having to adjust their programs.

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago

          In most cities, that's the only option. They'd cheat Republicans if they had a chance, but how many municipal elections is that really the case in.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Mostly peaceful.

    2. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      FINGERS IN INK.

    3. Pear Satirical   3 years ago

      And in related news, US cyber agency warned that Dominion voter machines were vulnerable to hackers.

      https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1531764329124663301

  12. mad.casual   3 years ago

    Another poll finds rising support for reproductive freedom in America.

    Holy Shit! Two weeks ago we had a "remarkably stable cultural consensus". Memory hole powers... Activate!

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      And you really have to be skeptical of the poll result and methodology, given that abortion advocates too often conflate people identifying as "pro-choice" with supporting the most radical abortion on demand policies.

    2. Jerry B.   3 years ago

      Be interesting to have a poll on people’s opinion of setting American abortion law at the average of European laws. Bet some folks would be surprised if they knew what that average was.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Yeah, probably like your average "common sense gun control" poll where large percentages of people think we need to ban automatic weapons and institute mandatory background checks going forward.

  13. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2022/06/02/democrat-congressman-vows-to-get-rid-of-norms-to-pass-gun-control-bills-n2608139

    But I was assured Democrats would never take guns. That is just a right wing meme

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Jeff will say you are reading his clear statements in bad faith.

    2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

      "You will not stop us from advancing the 'Protecting Our Kids' Act today," Jones said. "You will not stop us from passing it in the House next week and you will not stop us. If the filibuster obstructs us, we will abolish it. If the Supreme Court objects, we will expand it. We will not rest until we have taken weapons of war out of circulation in our communities."

      Sounds like CW2 is closer than I anticipated.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        … we have taken weapons of war out of circulation in our communities."

        Please have him explain in detail the mechanics of how this could possibly happen.

        1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

          Today's Chicago Tribune has a front page article with photo of how to stanch a bullet wound with a potato chip bag.

          https://www.chicagotribune.com/people/ct-partnership-for-safe-and-peaceful-communities-grants-2022-0601-20220603-u2ksbxd3w5c4zp4wpilaeq7pxu-story.html

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            In that shithole leftist city, that's good information to know.

            1. mad.casual   3 years ago

              Nothing says "Diversity!" like a city with both the Homan Square Evidence and Recovered Property Facility *and* a Torture Justice Center.

    3. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      Anymore, why wouldn't they? If they can get ANY kind of gun control (even just making private sales require background checks) then why not go all the way? It's clear gun nuts won't ever attempt any compromise so fuck it, just do it.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        If you don't get your way why not blow up the constitution asks raspberry.

        1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

          Funny how these clowns think people will comply. The criminals will not, so why should the rest of us?

        2. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Normally, I'm not a 'shoot first and ask questions later' sort of guy, but when they run in shouting answers to questions you would normally ask first, it does save time.

      2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        The pro gun people have done nothing but capitulate over the last 40 years.

        All of the progressives need to be shot

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          C'mon, midterm elections and muh libertarian principles will totes keep totalitarianism at bay!

      3. damikesc   3 years ago

        "We cannot deport 20M illegals" --- The Left
        "We CAN seize over 400M weapons" --- also The Left.

        We need to remember this stuff for after November.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Also add 10 million more illegals so we really can't deport them all.

          1. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

            It has been 20M since W.

      4. Agammamon   3 years ago

        We've already 'compromised'. We've been 'compromising' since 1936.

        No, wait, the word I want isn't 'compromise', it's 'capitulated'. We've been capitulating since 1936.

        We're done capitulating.

        You want 'compromise'? Offer something in exchange. Otherwise fuck off.

      5. Square = Circle   3 years ago

        If they can get ANY kind of gun control (even just making private sales require background checks) then why not go all the way?

        Are you under the impression that background checks are not currently required for gun sales?

        1. damikesc   3 years ago

          Frequently, it seems the people who are most supportive of gun control know dick-all about guns or how to get one.

      6. R Mac   3 years ago

        Come get ‘em bitch.

      7. DesigNate   3 years ago

        Fuck off, slaver.

  14. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    So as democrats continue their drive to be against everything "republican" they continue to change their views based on not siding with the Republicans on anything.
    Shock

    1. HorseConch   3 years ago

      Even though they are crooked assholes, Republicans are way more ideologically aligned with normal people.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        Pretty much

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Wait, there are normal people?

    2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      Of course; They are entirely a [WE] affiliation MOB...

      That's what Un-limited Democracy creates.. If there is no foundation for principle which ever 'gang' packs the most guns wins.

  15. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

    Massie proposes an amendment that would allow 18-year-olds who register for the draft to buy guns concedes that even a plainly enumerated right of an unconvicted adult can, in fact, be infringed.

    FTFY

    1. Agammamon   3 years ago

      I mean, we can draft people - so, yeah.

  16. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    @RepThomasMassie
    proposes an amendment that would allow 18-year-olds who register for the draft to buy guns.

    Jerry Nadler opposes on grounds that 18-year-olds brains haven't matured yet.

    Which would explain Democrats efforts to lower the voting age to 16. Not to mention the efforts to allow transgender decisions to be mage by pre-pubescent children.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      The part of your brain that wants to mutilate your genitalia matures faster than the part that wants a gun for self defense or hunting.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        LOL. I've OD'ed on The Science! and it's making my ribs hurt.

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago

          No gunfighting or swordfighting in that situation. Young boys will be totally defenseless.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

            As a child, I personally witnessed another boy get shocked peeing on an electric fence. We must protect the kids.

            1. HorseConch   3 years ago

              That was likely his gender dysmorphia playing out. Deep down inside, his inner lady was trying to get him to perform a sex-change by electric charge on himself.

              1. mad.casual   3 years ago

                Kinda weird that his inner lady gender ghost can aim well enough to hit an electric fence. Almost like she herself isn't really an inner lady gender ghost...

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B07PV9D1J4/reasonmagazinea-20/

            2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              I was actually goaded into trying that as a kid. Fortunately it turned out to not be plugged in. I'm lucky that it was before the days of solar.

            3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              He must have been peeing some magical metallic piss. Mythbusters tried that and never got even a tingle.

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                I was very disappointed that Mythbusters didn't get a tingle, but my 12 year-old buddy Steve certainly did. I remember feeling bad for laughing so hard after he started crying, which he certainly wasn't faking. Maybe he brushed the fence? I wasn't staring at him while he peed. The one thing not in question is that he somehow connected the circuit through his willie.

              2. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

                My uncle would disagree with the myth busters episode, as well. I've been nailed while fixing electric fence and not turning it off first, when I wasn't even touching it. Just near it while it was raining, and using a non conductive object to untangle the wire.

                1. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

                  BTW the kids laughed their heads off at the swear words I used and the combination I created.

                2. mad.casual   3 years ago

                  I haven't seen the Mythbusters episode. I can see how, with shoes on, completing the circuit might be hit or miss based on rain/shine, desert/pasture, etc. I say this as someone who grabbed a live barbed wire fence while running/standing barefoot.

              3. Zeb   3 years ago

                There are a lot of factors. How well grounded were they? What was teh voltage and pulse timing of the fence? Electrolyte content of the urine. It's definitely possible in some conditions.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      I identify as wizard, not mage.

    3. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

      This proves Massie is sexist. 18 year old females don't register for the draft.

  17. MT-Man   3 years ago

    Could we stop with the references to Masnick's thoughts?

  18. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Firearm license revocations increase over 500% due to bidens administration cracking down on typos.

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/03/500-percent-spike-in-biden-administration-shutting-down-gun-retailers-over-typos/

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Typos are dangerous, Jesse.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Except on ballots.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      If you can’t handle a keyboard, how can you handle a gun?

  19. JesseAz   3 years ago

    About ENBs pro life polling. She is once again using the sanitized version of polling which essentially puts no abortion vs some abortion. When polls break down regulations by trimester 2/3rds support restrictions at the 2nd trimester.

    ENBs tactic here is a common one from activists. Sanitize a question to the least offensive aspect you can then say it proves the worst action you want to allow.

    That is not where Americans are on abortion.

    1. Cyto   3 years ago

      This is the more succinct version of my comment below.

      It is pretty obvious. Yet nobody wants to acknowledge this simple reality. Almost as if they like the division more than they want the solution.

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        It also looks terrible when you have to be totally dishonest to have a 5 point advantage.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Looking at the graph it's also pretty unlikely.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Solution?

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    2. Yatusabes   3 years ago

      ENBs tactic here is a common one from activists.

      She also calls whores and prostitutes "sex workers". That is like calling Hispanics (like me) Latinx, not that any Hispanic was consulted. ENB is a very dishonest person

      1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

        Well, sex is exerted effort done for remuneration, sometimes monetary, so, yes, it is indeed work. Nothing dishonest about that.

      2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Start pronouncing it La tinks. Wont be long for the proggie white women who conjured this up will come up with another one.

      3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        So, she actually does call them sex workers.

        Your second thing she doesn’t actually do, but you are complains about it as if it is something she has actually done.

    3. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   3 years ago

      If it weren't for motte-and-bailey tactics, Democrats would only have the Squad and Bernie Sanders in Congress.

    4. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

      The poll was conducted by the WSJ (not by ENB), and confirms what I've posted here repeatedly for the past six months (i.e. If the 5 Catholic Conservatives on the SCOTUS strike down Roe v Wade, Republicans will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in November in some/many elections for Governors, State AGs, State Houses, State Senates, and some US House and US Senate seats.

      Here in PA, pro choice Democrat Josh Shapiro will be elected Governor (if SCOTUS imposes Papal/Baptist religious dogma as US law) over anti abortion theocrat Republican Doug Mastriano, who has vowed to ban all abortions without any exceptions (for rape, incest or women's health).

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        The wording was sanitized whether from wsj or others.

        As I stated polling on specifics has remained constant. Something you seemingly ignored on the post.

        Which polls ENB chooses to publish is an editorial bias. I have never seen her post polls regarding 2nd or 3rd trimester regulations.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Yeah, the GOP will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory if they don't allow abortion on demand.

        How fucking stupid can you get? Abortion maximalists like you are in the minority, even if you can't stand to admit it.

    5. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

      They do the same thing with background checks. People generally support background checks, so when they're asked if they support a bill that makes background checks mandatory and universal they say yes, but when it's explained that background checks are already required for purchasing from a licensed dealer and the bill will cover gifting guns, lending guns etc, support drops dramatically. I don't really oppose (nor support) the current background checks. Bought a gun just two weeks ago. It was all done on the internet and had my purchase approved in 20 minutes. I remember back in the nineties it was like a hour or more trial to get it approved. Today it's just a nuisance but a really costly one.

  20. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Waiting to see Reasons take on DeSantis vetting a 35 million dollar tax break for the Ray's stadium. Will they support the move given their dozens of anti tax payer funded stadium articles. Or claim it is wrong to do the right thing for political reasons.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

      The latter.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        To be sure.

    2. Agammamon   3 years ago

      They've already posted.

      1. No taxpayer funded stadiums or the like.

      2. Don't use taxpayer funding as a cudgel against political opponents.

  21. JAQO   3 years ago

    When convenient, Reason has derided polls in general, otherwise, when convenient, it promotes them. As ably shown in Penn and Teller’s Bullshit, that’s precisely what polls are.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      “Reason” is made up of a bunch of writers. I think you are just seeing the difference between articles written by different people.

  22. Cyto   3 years ago

    Those abortion numbers do not comport with one another.

    Clearly, partisan politics has asserted itself in the label "pro life".

    55/45 on your "all or most" split is more telling.

    It takes an extreme ideologue with fingers stuffed in her ears yelling "La la la ... I can't hear you" to go with the current democrat position of "all abortion should be entirely a woman's choice up until birth". Very, very few agree with that, even though several state level Democrats have been trying to make that the law.

    And very few people are willing to go with "everything from the moment of conception is murder."

    If the politicians are not playing political games, 1st trimester seems to have a large majority of aupport, even if half of that support is grudgingly pragmatic.

    3rd trimester has almost zero support, beyond the oft stated exceptions.

    Any discussion of other topics is probably political pandering... and definitely not likely to be productive... however one might like to spin the surveys.

    1. HorseConch   3 years ago

      The D's have severely overplayed the abortion card, just as they have the race card. The moron R's seem incapable of accepting the wins, though. If they would lay out what the D's actually mean when they campaign for "women's healthcare", there would be almost zero support for it.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      I'm even turning on a bit of a plotted or even conspiratorial aspect of this. Two weeks ago, ENB would've known that Gallup was running this poll for the year and, despite knowing the issue to be contentious, even citing RBG's opinion on it as such, tried to go with a 'culturally stable consensus' narrative and, now, two weeks later, is selling a nearly-unprecedented swing in opinion. It feels very much like a deliberately crafted "Mean tweets bad! Return to normalcy! Put the adults back in charge!" narrative.

    3. Cronut   3 years ago

      "all abortion should be entirely a woman's choice up until birth"

      I would guess, very, very few people even realize that's what they're being asked when they're answering the questions They don't realize that's part of the question because it's an extreme position that wouldn't even occur to them as being a reasonable question. They answer the question based on their own reasonable understanding of what it means.

      This is how leftist activists operate. They cloak their extremist positions in reasonable sounding language, and reasonable, normal people apply reasonable understanding to it, because the extremist positions are not even anywhere in their mind. For example, Black Lives Matter.

      Most people say, "Yeah, of course black lives matter. I totally agree with that," while not realizing that statement is being used to cloak a whole host of ugly, racist, hateful, Marxist extremism.

      Leftists are predators and use predatory tactics to trick normal people into supporting them.

      1. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

        Peak projection there chief.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          How so, Tony.

          1. Cronut   3 years ago

            He thinks he's being clever.

  23. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

    Upsolve has won the right to offer legal advice in New York. The nonprofit aimed to offer low-income New Yorkers free legal advice related to debt collection. But this would run afoul of the state's unauthorized practice of law (UPL) statute.

    Since the U.S. Constitution and The Amendments are supposed to be the highest law in the land, will Bar Associations start cracking down on any activist who cites the U.S. Constitution and The Amendments and accuse the activists of "Unautherized Practice of Law?"

    Perhaps I shouldn't have said that. It mighr give them ideas.

  24. Yatusabes   3 years ago

    ENB seems to relish the uptick in Democrats celebrating murdering babies. "I am womyn, hear me roar abort!" CS Lewis would likely be labeled a hater by ENB.

    Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one--the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts,...Your affectionate uncle, Screwtape.
    ― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

    1. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      "Babies."

      It's a fetus, not a baby.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        You're a clump of cells, no more

      2. The Team Struggling   3 years ago

        It's dilation and evacuation, not an abortion.

      3. Overt   3 years ago

        Baby: A very young animal.

        Are you saying a fetus is not a very young human? When does it become a human?

        1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

          It is a baby alright. It kicks, it feels pain (watch a sonogram), it cries, it sucks its thumb, it is alive from first day of conception. In the end the fetus is us: clump of cells differentiated or undifferentiated. same difference

          1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            ^Indoctrination in the making...
            An egg is not a chicken and LYING ain't going to make it so.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              Yeah, cuz that thing inside the egg the moment before it finally breaks out of the shell is TOTALLY not a chicken.

              1. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

                Maybe its a bee, or a fish...

                1. Agammamon   3 years ago

                  They're the same thing.

              2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

                Yeah, cuz that thing inside the egg the moment before it finally breaks out of the shell is TOTALLY not a chicken.

                Break the egg the day it's fertilized and watch the chick fly away . . .

              3. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                And the current debate ALSO has nothing to with 'moments before'..
                Unless you're lobbying State Law 'moments before'.

            2. JesseAz   3 years ago

              This explains a lot. You don't even know the difference between birds and mammals.

          2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            It has a thumb on the first day of conception?

        2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          Dictionaries are changing by the day.....

          Before all this political virtue-signalling took place; every dictionary under the sun defined a 'baby' as a young 'child' which in turn was from 'born' till 'puberty'.............

          Even the U.S. Constitution places the 'born' action on it's citizenship.
          Talk about corrupt manipulation.... Pro-Life is really corrupting EVERYTHING for political ends. And any HONEST person knows it.

          1. Agammamon   3 years ago

            So, 5 seconds before birth you can choose to kill it?

            5 seconds after you can't?

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              The current debate of Roe v Wade has nothing to do with 5-seconds before birth.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                Bullshit. That's exactly what "abortion on demand" means--abortion is allowed all the way up until the feet exit the magic birth canal or, in the case of the Virginia law that was rejected, a few minutes afterward.

                What you're arguing is that you actually support abortion up to that point. No reason to be coy about it.

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  WRONG... Roe v Wade gave that conflict to State Law... The current argument isn't to make post-viable abortion a National Law its to allow State's to completely ban it pre-viable (As well demonstrated by Oklahoma, Texas, etc, etc...)...

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                    There's nothing in that word salad that's accurate, you pedophile.

          2. Overt   3 years ago

            "Before all this political virtue-signalling took place; every dictionary under the sun defined a 'baby' as a young 'child' which in turn was from 'born' till 'puberty'............."

            Prove it. Prove that they defined it so.

            "Even the U.S. Constitution places the 'born' action on it's citizenship."

            So what? The US Constitution protects far more than natural born citizens. You understand that, right?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              Just so you're aware, this freak is a pedophile:

              Thomas J Jones
              @tjj2000
              Dec 3, 2021
              Turn Ons: "Twinks / Teens; Emo / Scene; Piercings and Tatts. I also have a thing for Belly Buttons (The stranger the better), belly button piercings on guys, and belly button torture"
              I occasionally respond to DMs, but am more active on Snapchat (ask for details).

              1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                Oh lookie... A [WE] mob Power-Mad dictator is after me...

                It really makes me sick how hypocritical the right can get when the word 'abortion' is said. Y'all need to learn to think rationally *all* the time if you don't want to turn into a RINO-Hack.

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  Oh; yeah; That's not me - you stalking harassment psychopath that now wants to stalk me because he/she CAN'T MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS!!!!

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                    "That's not me, but I'm still going to screech about you stalking me reeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!"

                2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                  Haha, get the Full Rosenbaum, pedo. Just putting your screenname in to Google isn't "stalking you," but it sure is a damn good way to find out what you really stand for.

              2. R Mac   3 years ago

                Well damn.

              3. R Mac   3 years ago

                All age restricted content on Twitter.

            2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              From State prosecution; It doesn't actually protect "federal" from prosecuting non-citizens...

              And I'm sure I could prove it just by the waybackmachine but I have no desire to prove *REALITY* because if you won't acknowledge F'En *REALITY* why would dictionary reality be any different.

              1. Overt   3 years ago

                "From State prosecution; It doesn't actually protect "federal" from prosecuting non-citizens..."

                You really don't understand the Constitution, do you? Are you 12?

                "And I'm sure I could prove it just by the waybackmachine but I have no desire to prove *REALITY* because if you won't acknowledge F'En *REALITY* why would dictionary reality be any different."

                So let me get this right. You are saying that "Reality" is the notion (that has not been proven anywhere but in your mind) that conservatives have some how managed to change the definition of "baby" in every single dictionary because they wanted to steal a rhetorical base in abortion.

                That's your reality, is it?

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  conservatives have some how managed to change the definition of "baby" in every single dictionary because they wanted to steal a rhetorical base in abortion.

                  Yes; Exactly.... Over the years...
                  https://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/child+born

                  Oh lookie; A dictionary contradiction between #1a and #3.

                  It amazes me how stupid people get when they have a political Power-Mad dictation they want to fulfill.

      4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        It's still a baby you disgusting ghoul. When you have to police the language in order to defend your utterly abhorent position, you've already lost.

        1. Cronut   3 years ago

          Exactly. Elective abortion (to separate it from the dishonest arguments about D&C for ectopic pregancy or to remove a miscarried pregnancy) is killing an inconvenient human or undesireable human, created in the vast majority of cases by a willful act.

          That is exactly what elective abortion is, and that's all it is. The fact that they have to make up euphemisms like "reproductive freedom," means their argument is morally bankrupt and if they called it what it is, no one would support it.

        2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          So is my baby unicorn (YOUR cancer growth)!!!!! Don't tell me I can't use guns to stop YOU from removing your cancer cells!!! /s

          The biggest problem with Pro-Life isn't the 'unicorn fairy-tale' it's the MEANS of which they are willing to use to INSIST their fairy-tale.

          I.e. My wife's Pregnancy is YOUR baby HOW?????????????????????

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            So, my wife can kill our 3 year old if she decides to, for any personal reason?

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              The debate isn't about a 3-year old.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                How is a 3 year old different genetically from pre birth canal and post birth canal?

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  How is an egg different from a chicken?? /s

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    An unfertilized egg or a developing chicken embryo?

                    If you don't know the difference you need to go back to middle school science class.

                    1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                      And if you haven't even established what it is (legally) you're arguing (Roe v Wade) you need to go back to reality-school.

                    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Oh? Maybe you want to point out the court ruling that defines (LEgAly, hurr durr) whether or not a fetus is a human with rights, you dishonest fuck.

                      You might also want to research what Roe v Wade actually says before you invoke it.

              2. Agammamon   3 years ago

                But it is - because you continue to refuse to tell us where the line is drawn.

                If a parent can withdraw support 5 seconds before birth and allow the clump of cells to be killed, why not at three years?

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  "viability" as Roe v Wade established.

                  1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

                    decided: Joe Biden is not viable because he called a clump of cells a child! Follow the science!

                    "The idea that we're going to make a judgment that is going to say that no one can make the judgment to choose to abort a child, based on a decision by the Supreme Court, I think goes way overboard," he said.
                    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-reacts-leaked-draft-supreme-court-opinion-abortion/story?id=84467397

                  2. Nardz   3 years ago

                    Leftists aren't viable...

                    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                      Especially the ones on the dole.

                  3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                    "viability" as Roe v Wade established.

                    That was the first trimester, you moron.

                    1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                      ...And...... Sounds completely common-sense (no B.S.) to me because I don't turn unicorns into sub-people who trample real-people's body autonomy.

                    2. R Mac   3 years ago

                      Thomas the pedo is going full sqrlsy.

                    3. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                      Yep; Can't win a logical argument bring out the bullying!!!!

                      I was hoping the Right was more principled than such leftard gangster mentalities.

                    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                      Pedos deserve to get bullied, you pedo.

          2. Cronut   3 years ago

            Are you apoplectic with rage to the point that you can't form coherent statements, or just drunk?

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          It's still a baby you disgusting ghoul.

          He doesn't consider it a baby because he doesn't want to molest it.

      5. Cronut   3 years ago

        It's killing an inconvenient human, not reproductive freedom.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          I find my human wart inconvenient.. Are you going to use guns to stop me from removing that too?

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Your understanding of biology is hilarious.

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              Your insistence that two people exist where only one really exist is even more hilarious.

              Set that 'other' person FREE!!! For crying out loud!

              1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

                your President understands these things. Your handlers talking points are obsolete.

                Memo to Act Blue: this troll of yours is not viable

                "The idea that we're going to make a judgment that is going to say that no one can make the judgment to choose to abort a child, based on a decision by the Supreme Court, I think goes way overboard," he said.
                https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-reacts-leaked-draft-supreme-court-opinion-abortion/story?id=84467397

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                What's truly hilarious is that you have the same take on this as the Chinese and North Koreans.

                Just say, "I support abortion up until a few minutes after the clump of cells exits the birth canal." It's a strikingly minority (20%) view, but at least you'd be honest.

          2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            "I find my human wart inconvenient.. Are you going to use guns to stop me from removing that too?"

            If your wart had its own brain, bones, liver, beating heart, nervous system, and unique genetic code, then yeah.

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            I find my human wart inconvenient.. Are you going to use guns to stop me from removing that too?

            What's wrong with using a gun to stop a pedophile?

      6. Agammamon   3 years ago

        Does it ever become a baby, and if so, when?

      7. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        At what moment does a fetus become a baby?

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          Un-Indoctrinated reasonable people can easily answer that as; when it is born....

          1. Overt   3 years ago

            Really, because a few lines up your answer was "when its viable". You haven't thought very much about this issue, and you have made that pretty clear. Maybe instead of throwing around BS ad homs like "indoctrinated", you ought to spend some time thinking deeply about these complex issues before opining on them. It will save you a load of embarrassment.

            1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

              he isnt paid to think. He gets paid to troll by the character by Act Blue. The more explosive diarrhea he slings, the more he gets paid

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                This might explain his worldviews a little better:

                Thomas J Jones
                @tjj2000
                Dec 3, 2021
                Turn Ons: "Twinks / Teens; Emo / Scene; Piercings and Tatts. I also have a thing for Belly Buttons (The stranger the better), belly button piercings on guys, and belly button torture"
                I occasionally respond to DMs, but am more active on Snapchat (ask for details).

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                  Probably shouldn't be a surprise that this freak is a pedophile.

            2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              Not really; I said that in reference to when the "Clump of Cells" can be killed.

              But hey; If you can't win my argument -- Heck, just start making them up for me.

              I've spend very much time thinking deeply about it --- And here's my conclusion
              1) Don't put Government into PEOPLE'S healthcare.
              2) If you can't MAKE a 'baby' then it doesn't exist yet.
              3) Roe v Wade was FAR more Pro-Life than Pro-Life gives it credit.

              Anyone still pushing this issue past the Roe v Wade ruling are really wanna-be DICTATORS with no legitimate excuse and not just Gov-Dictators (economically) but the FAR WORST kind of PERSONAL LIFE (Religious/Faith) type of DICTATORS....

              1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                I.e. Power-Mad Gov-Gun packing faith freaks who can't for the life of them MIND THEIR OWN F'EN BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!! These pregnancies you [WE] mob gangsters want to DICTATE isn't YOURS!!!!!!!!!! They are other people's PERSONAL LIFES!

                1. Overt   3 years ago

                  I can almost see the spittle on your monitor. Didn't your mom ever teach you that if you want to be understood, you need to calm down and use words instead of wailing?

              2. Overt   3 years ago

                Yeah you have shown that you haven't thought as deeply about this as anyone else.

                Your three points are not the points that will resolve this debate. The resolution of the debate is when we determine a child is entitled to rights. Your answer seems to be "When their born" when it is convenient, and "When it is viable" when that isn't convenient. You have no justification for those other than feels and the Supreme Court. Well, since the supreme court (apparently) doesn't agree with your definition, it is just your feelings.

                And it is RICHLY IRONIC that a person so concerned about definitions calls "abortion" "healthcare".

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  Not nearly as RICHLY IRONIC as people who pretend there's a "baby" but with *all* the technology in the world can't make a "baby"....

                  The abortion argument is an argument of *imagination*... I don't think Gov-Guns should be involved in *imaginations* especially if it's none of their business.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                    Thomas J Jones
                    @tjj2000
                    Dec 3, 2021
                    Turn Ons: "Twinks / Teens; Emo / Scene; Piercings and Tatts. I also have a thing for Belly Buttons (The stranger the better), belly button piercings on guys, and belly button torture"
                    I occasionally respond to DMs, but am more active on Snapchat (ask for details).

  25. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Why were the Wisconsin cemetery shootings and Tulsa hospital shooting memory holed an hour after breaking news? What is the common factor here??

    1. Cyto   3 years ago

      Did any rogue vehicles run down grandmother's all on their own?

      Hardly newsworthy......

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      A gun did something, maybe someone was involved but it's just a couple of local stories.

    3. Super Scary   3 years ago

      There weren't enough children killed for them to push their current run of gun control laws. Those tiny coffins are way better for grandstanding than the coffins of some rando doctors and funeral goers.

    4. JimboJr   3 years ago

      that shooter appears to be a disgruntled black man...

      to the memory hole!!!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Disgruntled, maybe. But only white males can be threats to progressive utopia.

    5. Ska   3 years ago

      Add the Brooklyn subway shooter.

  26. Rohdewarrior   3 years ago

    "Another poll finds rising support for reproductive freedom in America"...the bias in the phrasing of this sentence is obvious and unworthy of Reason and ENB.
    I don't understand how this is newswothy, let alone to be the top story today. Opinion polls mostly seem useless IMHO. There are a whole spectrum of opinions on abortion that an iover-simplified Pro-Life/Pro-Choice either/or can't begin to capture (I strongly suspect those residents or European countries where abortion is only legal before 15 weeks would say they are Pro-Choice).

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      Is it unworthy of ENB? As she has done it countless times before.

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      Reason and ENB are progressive activists

    3. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

      Criticizing ENB and Reason for telling the truth about abortion politics may please freedom loathing anti abortion zealots, but it won't stop Democrats from winning many elections in November (that the GOP would have won if not for 5 Catholic Conservative moralist on the SCOTUS.

      Two thirds of women will vote for pro choice Democrats in November in many races for Governor, State AG, State House, State Senate, US House and US Senate in Blue and Purple States.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        How many weeks has it been since the leak? Where is the bump towards democrats?

      2. Yatusabes   3 years ago

        but it won't stop Democrats from winning stealing many elections in November

        FTFY

      3. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        Yeah, everybody is raging about it! Did you see the dozens of protestors!?! Not hundreds or thousands, but a small collection of feminist wackadoddles. That's it. Outside of ENB types, most people in our country support restrictions on abortion past the first trimester.

  27. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    So the prosecutors saying they will not enforce state abortion laws are defiantly stating they will not perform their office's assigned duties and therefore should resign or be removed from office when that comes to pass. Right?

    1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      They just might be enforcing the Supreme Law. Pure physics can't demonstrate two individuals from one pregnant person. As such; any assumed pretense is *pretend*.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

        Biology can easily distinguish as two people, mother and child. Even before birth. Even before gastrulation.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          The all holy "science" also says we're all dead because of "global warming"...

          1. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

            Not biological science, which actually tells we will adapt and have lived and thrived with a much hotter climate in the past.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Physics? Lol. What about biology. Hint. They do genetic tests prior to birth.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          When your "biology" actually produces a *REAL* result of a second person; get back to me.

          1. Overt   3 years ago

            This has to be a parody account. Not even the most devout abortionists deny that there aren't two genetically distinct lives in this situation.

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              As are transplants.... There's no legitimacy to that argument.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            When you stop lusting after little kids, get back to us, Thomas.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

      Thats only if you refuse to issue gay marriage liscense.

  28. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1532581385701031936?t=y05yajwFNlMtVhCl9KgzJw&s=19

    When Democrats show you who they really are, believe them.
    [Video]

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      "So spare me the bullshit about constitutional rights!"

      I'd say that their ripping the mask off, but that mask is long gone.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Cicciline is a cake boy, and I have strong doubts he'd apply this to gay marriage and abortion on demand.

    2. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

      When Nardz threatens to murder you, believe him.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        He actually says for you to commit suicide.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          A stance that I support.

      2. Nardz   3 years ago

        I've never threatened to murder anyone, just point out the necessity of self defense against clumps of cancer cells.

    3. Cronut   3 years ago

      Mondaire Jones:

      We will stop at nothing to take your guns. We'll blow up the filibuster and pack the court. We will tear it all down to take your rights.

      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2022/06/02/democrat-congressman-vows-to-get-rid-of-norms-to-pass-gun-control-bills-n2608139

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Saying the quiet bit out loud.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          He only means for white people. He's fine with black people not having those restrictions.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Equity!

  29. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    > Pro-Life Identification Falls to Lowest Level Since 1996

    Doesn't matter, they can make up for it by shrieking louder.

    Meanwhile a certain major religious denomination is still adamantly opposed to birth control. Go figure.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      How dare religions have tenets brandy disagrees with.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        How dare Brandybuck disagree with religious tenets.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Personal religions have no bearing on Brandys life. Why the fuck should he care. The gop has been pushing OTC birth control for 2 decades. So why the fuck do you or he care that catholic tenets include not using birth control?

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            You're the one saying he's at fault for disagreeing with religion.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              He is criticizing a religion that has no bearing on his life. What don't you get? I don't care what religion people are. Freedom includes the freedom to choose your beliefs. His non sequitur adds nothing to the conversation aside from denigrating others for believing something different. A form of actual bigotry. But please defend it.

              I have no issues with socialists that set up their own communities. I do have issue when they force their system on others.

              In this case catholics are only against birth control for their own use. It is a personal belief. Who cares.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                You, apparently.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  Lol. Umm. Brandy made the comment retard.

                  Wow sarc. Just desperate to troll aren't you.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    Trolling 101: "How dare religions have tenets brandy disagrees with."

                    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      Yes. Why did he bring them up when they have largely been supportive of OTC birth control when his argument is against them being birth control.

                      Do you realize the fallacy yet?

                      Personal liberty and personal belief. Something you seem to despise as well.

                    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Trolling 101:
                      sarcasmic
                      August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm
                      I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is my circus.

                    3. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                      You are wrong

      2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        "How dare religions have tenets brandy disagrees with."

        Pretty sure Brandybuck is pointing out the 'GUNS' being used to force the Pro-Life religion onto everyone's life.

    2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      Meanwhile a certain major religious denomination is still adamantly opposed to birth control. Go figure.

      So what?

    3. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Meanwhile a certain major religious denomination is still adamantly opposed to birth control. Go figure.

      Meanwhile Brandybuck advances an even more nihilist and context-free interpretation of reality. Don't bother going to figure, you can't, there is no reality, just Brandy's "logic". Give your mind over to Brandybuck who can't figure things out as well as The Catholic Church did 1200 yrs. ago.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Maybe he was talking about orthodox jews. Who knows.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Or even one of them indigenous primitive people type whole-earth mysticisms.

  30. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    “Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to 9 months. After that, they don’t wanna know about you. They don’t wanna hear from you. No nothing! No neonatal care, no daycare, no Head Start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine, if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.”
    -George Carlin

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
      ― Frederic Bastiat, The Law

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Not sure how that applies to Carlin pointing out conservative hypocrisy, but ok.

        1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

          Everything he mentioned was a government program.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            The first couple of trillion to alleviate poverty, why not a few more trillion. It is the libertarian way.

          2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            From talking with some of the most adamant anti-abortion commenters here, it’s clear they oppose not only government aid for children. They feel no ethical duty to assist mothers who are forced to carry babies to term, and are quick to condemn those with unwanted pregnancies for their moral weakness.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Because it is based on ignorance?

          Actually not shocked you get your politics from 50 year old comedic comments built around narratives.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Actually not shocked you get your politics from 50 year old comedic comments built around narratives.

            The strawman factory called, said you're late for work.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Maybe you missed this?

              Mickey Rat
              June.3.2022 at 10:28 am
              Flag Comment Mute User
              Everything he mentioned was a government program.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                Yeah, I quote Carlin making a joke about conservative hypocrisy and that's means I agree with him on literally everything...

                That's called a strawman.

                1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

                  That it was not much of a joke, and your now disavowal of the quote is a bit hypocritical.

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    It is typical of him actually.

                2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  Ahh. You've retreated back to you were just making a joke after showing where the narrative was wrong. Even after defending the narrative behind the joke. Well done.

                3. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

                  As well as the fact that Carlin's "joke" is a giant strawman in itself.

                4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  Carlin's joke was a strawman.

                  There were millions of charities that took care of expectant mothers, babies, children, provided them with clothes, food, medical care, education, etc.

                  The premise he advances is ahistorical and flat out wrong.

                5. Agammamon   3 years ago

                  Well, except that it was a joke. And jokes don't have to be true. Comedians lie.

                  1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

                    The funniest comedians tell the truth

                6. Super Scary   3 years ago

                  "I quote Carlin making a joke"

                  Well, the part you quoted was from the preachy part that comes after most of Carlin's actual jokes. Which part of the quote was the "joke" part? Did he say this in a funny voice or something?

                  1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                    Carlin doesn’t tell literal jokes.

        3. Overt   3 years ago

          "Not sure how that applies to Carlin pointing out conservative hypocrisy"

          There is nothing hypocritical about believing that the government's scope should be limited to protecting infringement of rights.

          Are you really this disingenuous?

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Yes.

      2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Ohhhh, you're saying that conservatives support all of those things as long as it isn't the government doing it. Well as a practical matter taking government out of the picture is not going to happen. So he's not wrong.

        1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

          It remains a fallacious argument.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            I respectfully disagree.

            1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

              Supporting a fallacious criticism of your opponents is not respectful.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                When government programs that are not going away have crowded out the private sector, then opposing the government doing those things is effectively the same as not wanting those things to happen at all.
                I agree with you in principle, but as a practical matter he is correct.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  Crowded out the private sector? Billions are dispersed from religious and pro family organizations every year.

                  Trillions have been spent from government programs.

                  But please keep defending government spending that has had no effect on poverty rates statistically.

                  Keep pushing government over private charity. Remember this next time you complain about taxes. Lol.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    If I could wave a magic wand and make all those programs, and the associated taxes, go away I would. But that's not going to happen.

                    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      Then why did you defend the narrative and claim private charities were crowded out? Don't retreat now.

                2. Overt   3 years ago

                  "I agree with you in principle, but as a practical matter he is correct."

                  No he isn't. Set aside abortion. I don't think 3 year old children should be murdered. I also don't want to pay for their daycare. Does it make me a hypocrite if I believe that the government ought to stick to protecting the 3 year old from murder.

                  Thats absurd to call that hypocrisy.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    Pretty sure that there's a lot of charities willing to look after all those unkilled three year old's, but sarcasmic and Carlin disagree.

                    1. Overt   3 years ago

                      Well the thing is, Carlin isn't calling anyone hypocritical. Carlin is just making a few statements of fact- some that are true (conservatives oppose government social programs) and some that are false (Conservatives don't support ANY help for mothers or babies).

                      But Sarc calls this hypocrisy. Even *if* conservatives didn't care about social programs for kids, it is not hypocritical to say that the government should stick to protecting rights. *shrug*

                    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                      Ironically, the same Catholic Church that Godshall is constantly bitching about provided a good chunk of those services before socialism was conceived. A big reason a lot of Catholics supported those programs was for the express purpose that it would get the church out of doing it.

                3. Agammamon   3 years ago

                  No. The one does not follow from the other.

                4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                  When government programs that are not going away have crowded out the private sector, then opposing the government doing those things is effectively the same as not wanting those things to happen at all.

                  No, this doesn't follow at all. That's like saying that opposing the Patriot Act is the same as not wanting the government to protect the country from foreign terrorists.

          2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            I understand where you're coming from on a strictly principled basis, but as a practical matter he is not wrong.

            1. Agammamon   3 years ago

              Except that he is wrong.

              Because he is using hyperbole to make a joke.

        2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          I have talked with plenty of anti-abortion zealots right here in the comments who don’t support such aid, even if privately provided. What they do support is moral condemnation of women who have unwanted pregnancies.

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            Oh, here’s one now:
            https://reason.com/2022/06/03/pro-life-identification-falls-to-lowest-level-since-1996/?comments=true#comment-9525690

    2. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      The man knew what he was talking about.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        No he didn't. He pretended that hundreds of thousands of charities that exist to address exactly those issues, don't.

        I like Carlin, but he wasn't above occasionally lying about shit.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Carlin was a bog-standard New Leftist. For every good point people like him might have had, there were about 10-20 where they were simply spouting bullshit.

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Yes, even carlin was ignorant of politics at times. Have you ever looked into the charities and programs supported by the right?

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        He nailed it most of the time, and this was one of those times.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          It literally isn't. But okay. Politics from ignorance seems to be your forte. Programs exist in all religions and by pro life people. How dare people operate outside of government though.

          You do you.

          Keep pushing government as the solution over private charities. Totes libertarian.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            As I said above, I agree in principle but as a practical matter his is correct.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              No he isnt. But keep pushing government parentalism. Totes libertarian.

            2. JesseAz   3 years ago

              And how do you still not understand willful giving to charities is more caring than forced giving from taxes to others? What the actual fuck. Study after study show religious and conservatives as donating both more time and money from their own willful choice than the left.

              Of your argument is who cares more it is the one willfully giving. Not the one forced to. What the actual fuck.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                https://reason.com/2022/06/03/pro-life-identification-falls-to-lowest-level-since-1996/?comments=true#comment-9525732

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                I just thought it was funny. Didn't expect you to take it so personally. Jeez. Lighten up.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  Retreat to "i was joking even after defending it" complete.

            3. damikesc   3 years ago

              Except it is not.

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        His statement itself suggests that either he's being fallacious for comedic effect or is distinctly out of touch with the people/culture he's criticizing (either way sarc's being his usual, willfully stupid self in response). I don't think George Carlin believes that Conservatives don't want kids to do better through advanced schooling programs or wants kids to starve or want preemies to die (if he does, he's a pretty out-of-touch sociopath and is, himself, a hypocrite). I think he understands that they don't want to spend public money on those programs. I think he knows that if he can stand up stupid straw men and get lefties to clap like seals while he beats them up, it's a paying gig. Whether the hypocrisy presented is real or whether the lefties, like idiots, go on to point to him beating up straw men as some sort of rational argument is immaterial as long as the check clears.

    4. American Mongrel   3 years ago

      Fucking retardedly ignorant take. You know how and why. Jfc then internet has made the world a shittier place. If you were to make that stupid ass argument in my phycial presence, id smack the shit out of you like the little bitch you are.
      If you've ever known poor people, you know the problem with welfare sure as fuck ain't that it is helping kids. The loser ass parents, that also beat their children, don't pass on any of the benefits to them and it's fucking disgusting. They collect their 30% from baby daddy, don't pay rent, don't buy healthy food, jealously guard their shit food from their own offspring, and often collect a disability payment too. Their sure to use their Medicare to stay supplied on pain or anxiety meds. The bennies that the worst of these people collect are probably worth 50k a year. I guaran fucking tee you that the kids of the parents making 20k with no govt assistance will turn out better and suffer less. regardless of whether private charity has stepped in or not.
      Eat shit and die.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Tell us how you really feel.

      2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        Jfc then internet has made the world a shittier place.

        Cue Richard kyanka, people didn't like something awful because we kne back in 96 the internet was going to be a horrible place

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      "I am entitled to a risk-free, effort-free existence. If I get pregnant, I demand the right to an abortion so my life style is not affected. If I have a baby, I am entitled to state support so I don't have to work."

      -Every Progressive

    6. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      That's F'En rich... A right to life = A right to STEAL whatever one wants?

  31. Nardz   3 years ago

    Hotties shooting guns

    https://twitter.com/WarPath2pt0/status/1532719367510704130?t=ccX-qpnb2onTgrZdQWwunA&s=19

    Friday + Full Auto + Fortunate Son
    [Video]

    1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      You know Ukraine has hawt chicks with guns too;

      Dressed to kill: Ukraine's female soldiers pose in ballgowns with the weapons they have used to fight Russian-backed rebels for incredible fashion shoot
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3487553/Dressed-kill-Ukraine-s-female-soldiers-pose-ballgowns-weapons-used-fight-Russian-backed-rebels-incredible-fashion-shoot.html

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Americans don't care.

        1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

          Americans Want Companies To Take Action—Not Just Make Statements—Against Russia For Invading Ukraine, Poll Finds

          https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/03/01/americans-want-companies-to-take-action-not-just-make-statements-against-russia-for-invading-ukraine-poll-finds/?sh=7b7477524195

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            I bet Americans actually don't, but the writer at Forbes does.

            Companies getting involved in political sanctions and wars is creepier than fuck.

          2. Brian   3 years ago

            “Americans love it when multi-nationals fuck with geopolitical events!”

          3. JesseAz   3 years ago

            The woke index funds are performing terribly. Are you sure about that?

          4. Nardz   3 years ago

            https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1532736177660362755?t=eO6kfA_dWVRZkCb_u1ZJvQ&s=19

            Americans have mostly stopped caring about the Ukraine-Russia war.
            [Link]

      2. Overt   3 years ago

        Ukrainian women are hot. I don't know what those are pictures of. They are not Ukrainian women.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          This.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Are you a biologist?

        3. mad.casual   3 years ago

          The whole thing, all the way around, is retarded. Like they're just shy of running a story about these real western cowboys and cowgirls taking time out of fighting the Spanish-American War to take some photographs.

          It feels, 100%, like an idea "of Real Housewives, by Real Housewives, and for Real Housewives".

        4. Nardz   3 years ago

          Not the type we want coming here at least

  32. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    "Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?"
    -George Carlin

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      Actually, what I have most vocally pro-abortion women are either hideous or psychotic.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        The pics that Reason has run lately of pro-abortion rallies showed some fuckable honeys holding signs.

        1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

          At some point you do have to talk to them, hence the second category.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            I suppose.

      2. Nardz   3 years ago

        Always Sunny did an episode on that

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      Those tend to be mothers. So somebody wanted to fuck them.

  33. Cyto   3 years ago

    On the topic of pushing opinions in abortion polls, Steven Crowder had a decent bit about this a week or two ago. He went to a bunch of leftists on the street and asked when the cutoff for abortion should be.

    They started with "it is a woman's choice". In all circumstances.

    After a few questions about viability and when you can detect a heartbeat, most quickly switched to "obviously, it should be illegal when you can detect a beating heart.".

    People have not been thinking about this issue. The court made it into a "pro Roe" vs "anti Roe" debate". Not a lot of nuance needed.

    If 2 or 3 questions could move you from "legal in all cases until birth" to "totally illegal after a heartbeat can be seen on an ultrasound", polling on the issue is pretty useless at this point.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      It has been amazing watching simple deduction from Crowder or Walsh break down the simplistic belief of the unthinking left in interviews. I watches that crowder change my mind and most of them basically fell into restrictions at 15 weeks. Limewise Matt Walsh simply asking activists to define what is a woman has utterly exposed the transgender movement. Simple question are anathema to post modernism and critical theory.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        Simple question are anathema to post modernism and critical theory.

        That is why questioning immediately draws accusations of racism. And why they denounce the Socratic method as a tool of white supremacy.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          One of the clips that came out from the Walsh documentary is one of the top transgender professors saying the truth was transphobic lol.

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago

            And, it should be noted, not that *The Truth* was transphobic but that *any truth at all* is transphobic. Walsh flat out asked him "What is the truth?" as in "You have or know a/the truth, lay it out for me so that I might understand it." and the reply was that simply asking the question was transphobic. Which makes perfect sense if you consider transitioning to be, specifically a lie or intentional distortion of truth or reality.

        2. JimboJr   3 years ago

          "And why they denounce the Socratic method as a tool of white supremacy."

          "cant dismantle the masters house with the masters tools" is their response.

          This is why they label objective thinking/reasoning as white supremacy. So they can fill their followers heads with fanciful junk science and not make them question it.

          Its a lot easier when you have an excuse as to why your ideology doesnt square with plainly observed reality.

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        For pure Lulz, it was funny to watch Brandon Herrara crash the anti-NRA convention a couple of days ago, having people sign up to support the Firearms Policy Coalition.
        "I can't think of a single SANE person that would want an AK-47."
        "So 'Fuck Greg' refers to Greg Abbott, the governor in the wheelchair and is literally punching down?"

    2. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      Crowder is a moron.

      That notwithstanding, I think it's important to point out that red states plan to outlaw abortion as it is so what they think in terms of nuance is really irrelevant.

      The salient point is people don't want abortion straight up being illegal. To that end, they know who won't diminish reproductive freedom and it isn't the Republicans.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        Overturning Roe v. Wade is going to be this great political benefit to the Democrats. Keep telling yourself that.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          Frankly; it will. Once it's established that *pretend* a part of someone is others interest; there will be no 'end' to the amount of Individual Slavery than can be cast on people by *pretend* parts.

      2. Cyto   3 years ago

        That is a great comment.

        Avoid the issue. Go ad-homenin, caracature the issue and the opposition..... Declare victory!!!

        This is absolutely the most useless and counterproductive form of public debate.

        (And regardless of who was doing the bit, the fact remains that just a couple of basic and inoffensive questions got doctrinaire pro choice advocates to completely agree with the more centrist to center right folk on the pro life side. That is the real issue, shared partisan idiocy aside)

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          "Avoid the issue. Go ad-homenin, caracature the issue and the opposition..... Declare victory!!!

          This is absolutely the most useless and counterproductive form of public debate."

          But given the limited cognitive capacity of humans, er, voters, the most effective.

          1. Cyto   3 years ago

            Sadly, there is much truth here.

    3. JimboJr   3 years ago

      he does a really good one on taxes for the rich.

      The leftists he talked to completely were bought into the rich dont pay any taxes and had no idea of any rates.

      I think the one hilariously landed on it would be fair for the people making 20% of the money to pay 20% of the taxes. They were pretty flabbergasted when they found out they are paying almost 50% of the countries taxes.

      Its nothing new. The only thing they know is the propaganda that has been repeated to them. When presented with objective data and having to think about it, they are pretty much up shits creek without a paddle

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        People (and voters) are idiots.

    4. Overt   3 years ago

      Part of the liberal rage and cancel culture has been making it impossible for people to genuinely converse about the issue. On college campuses and in "polite" society, to even talk about this stuff without invoking "pro-choice" is to violate safe spaces, or risk being shouted down immediately as a patriarchal tyrant. It was this way with trans rights, it is that way with racial issues, and it is that way with abortion.

      The left absolutely deplores people talking about this, so they throw a temper tantrum in conversations, and then expect you to consume these overly abstracted and simplified PR pieces pushed to you from the media.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        It should be noted though that "a woman's choice" is/was an absolute master stroke. It has absolutely eclipsed any notion of actual unity or equality in favor of pure partisan division. Successful to the point that Japan passes a law saying that the partners involved in conception have to decide mutually to terminate the pregnancy that they mutually initiated, and, in our land of greater equality and in the spirit of unification, agree that this clearly makes the Japanese government pro-masculine bigots. Like we can't even conceive of anything except a woman's totally unfettered right to abort.

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Are you just figuring out that people are easily-manipulated morons?

    6. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      But Pro-Life already won the "After a few questions about viability" debate. Roe v Wade established that the State can take life interest after viability......

      But the debate just keeps going on, and on, and on, and on....
      Because the thirst of the Power-Mad is never ending.

  34. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1532727947420917767?t=OJ95yD6zoQtecJNjYCYzgw&s=19

    Thread of 18 tweets regarding the Bash Review of unmasking Flynn which has been misrepresented in most of news media:
    [Thread]

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      Hmm. Twitter's big screen blocking pop-up requesting you log in is suddenly appearing immediately. Last week it gave 30 seconds or so and previously only popped when you tried to switch threads.

      I suppose if they can't ban the poster, they can still make it so that only the dedicated can read it.

      1. Overt   3 years ago

        Open it in a private window (Incognito mode, etc)

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          I use the Brave browser because it doesn't run anything on Reason pages. I always open links in a new window, but the behavior has definitely changed recently.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            It has definitely gotten worse. Why no Yglesias tweets from me anymore =(

      2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Why do they insist you sign in to read things?

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      All this overt criminality that makes Watergate look like an exercise in best practices, and yet nothing ever happens to them.

  35. Yatusabes   3 years ago

    It’s ironic that the Democratic Party, which is ostensibly built around the defense of the weak and the marginalized, is so fervidly committed to the right to kill the most vulnerable. Roughly one-third of Democrats in Congress today identify as Catholic, while simultaneously advocating abortion. Apparently cultural ties to the Catholic Church are more robust than doctrinal ties. Or, more likely, these elected representatives are more devoted to their party platform than to their faith. (To be fair, this also is true of some Republicans.)

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-pro-life-democrat-went-extinct-bishops-pelosi-cordileone-san-francisco-11654205062

    1. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

      The author of that drivel was a Conservative Catholic abortion prohibitionist who wants to impose Papal doctrine on ALL American women by taking away their 49 year old right to control their own bodies during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        This is a pretty retarded statement. If a right is only 49 years old, it was never a right to begin with. The government does not grant rights or create them out of whole cloth.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          Nope; It just IMPEDES them by "banning" them...
          Ya know; like banning the procedure of abortion.

          1. Cronut   3 years ago

            The right to abortion didn't exist until SCOTUS fabricated it thru Roe. Therefore it's not a right.

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              You know what else isn't a 'right'.................................................

              If you're going to pretend there is a separate life there by Amendment 13 the federal government has every granted authority to stop State's from banning abortion (just as they did slavery).

              involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

              Oh; but the good news is -- You can ban abortion in prison 🙂

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

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                Dec 3, 2021
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      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Oh fuck off, you baby hating nutball.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          what "baby"???

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Don't play your creepy word games here, troll.

            ba·by (bā′bē)
            n. pl. ba·bies
            1.a. A very young child; an infant.
            b. An unborn child; a fetus.
            c. The youngest member of a family or group.
            d. A very young animal.
            2. An adult or young person who behaves in an infantile way.
            3. Informal
            a. A lover or sweetheart.
            b. Sweetheart; dear. Used as a term of endearment.
            4. Slang An object of personal concern or interest: Keeping the boat in good repair is your baby.
            tr.v. ba·bied, ba·by·ing, ba·bies
            https://www.thefreedictionary.com/baby

          2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

            Again, you are welcome to share that witty observation with a woman who has recently miscarried. Your friends and neighbors are sure to laugh right along with you as she bursts into tears and flees the room.

            I am sure even she will appreciate it after she thinks about it for a while.

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              Pro-Life isn't "sharing" a witty observation...

              They're using Gov-Guns to DICTATE their witty observation...

              RU an authoritarian or aren't you???????????

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                "Nothing authoritarian about killing someone. Hyuk-yuk..."

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  what "someone"??? Killing another person is already illegal except in self-defense of one's own body violation....

                  It just doesn't get more CLEAR than that... I'll play a little bit with violate one's body to save another --- but this whole running around calling anything you want "someone" is complete and utter propaganda B.S.... Where is this other person? Can I meet them? Can I babysit them? It's all made-up imaginations and fairy-tale creatures.

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                    It's all made-up imaginations and fairy-tale creatures.

                    They certainly don't have any personality of their own until about the 10th trimester.

      3. Yatusabes   3 years ago

        The author of that drivel was a Conservative Catholic abortion prohibitionist who wants to impose Papal doctrine on ALL American women by taking away their 49 year old right to control their own bodies during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy.

        Translation: had it be written by a Leftist Prog Marxist who grooms children, snips off testicles of little boys, decapitates newborn babies and forces children to wear masks while adults drink glasses of champagne, you would have approved.

      4. Dillinger   3 years ago

        >>taking away their 49 year old right

        this part exposes you.

    2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      It is funny since Catholics actually sponsored the Pro-Life movement.

      "However, as Daniel Williams has shown in his history of the movement, it has roots going back to at least the 1930s and 1940s, and there was no clear political divide.1

      At that time, Catholics (and it was primarily Catholics) were the strongest opponents of abortion on the grounds that it (along with contraception) was a violation of the official church teaching on the sanctity of human life."

      Ya know; it's like Pro-Life all along should be the Democrats racket of Nazi-Dictation and somehow they're against it simply because Republicans jumped on the wagon.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        "Ignore what your lying eyes show you on a sonogram! It's a Catholic c0nSPiraCy!"

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          Or maybe its just about minding one's own business and not trying to use Gov-Guns to dictate other people's beliefs by use of Gov-Guns.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Opposing killing kids isn't gov-guns you fucking ghoul.

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              what "kids"???

            2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              ...And who do you think is going to stop abortion clinics if it isn't Gov-Guns? Your mind control over them? If that's what this debate is about (Not overturning Roe v Wade) I say have at it and good luck.

    3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Some of us aren’t Catholic, and don’t care what bishops and popes say. Oh, wait, most of us aren’t Catholic, and don’t care what bishops and popes say.

  36. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/conservmillen/status/1532485979898011648?t=Mk2uJgxMzVdN_t_5IKDGaw&s=19

    One of the things that stood out to me in @MattWalshBlog’s “What Is A Woman” is that everyone on the pro-sex switching side denied not only the existence of biology but the entire concept of truth itself. This is a theological debate more than it’s a political or scientific one.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      Denial of science is the inevitable result of Marxist ideology. It just doesn't fit reality which is why they always end declaring square pegs are traitors to the cause.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        "Denial of science" -- like pretending two people exist where only one can possibly *actually* exist.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          We get it. You don't understand biology at all.

          1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

            This guy is trolling as hard as he is massaging his johnson. Not worth it

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

              This douchebag is the perfect Marxist. He appears to be denying that mammals have eggs that gestate internally. Because nobody questions if a chick growing in an egg is a separate organism from its parent, or if it is actually a chicken, or even if it is alive.

              1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                Oh look at you [WE] Power-Mad mobster gang up like a mob...

                You're not looking for Individual Liberty and Justice when it comes to 'abortion'??? Why? Wrong Gang-Color or what?

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                  You are wrong. I absolutely believe in individual liberty. Have all the abortions you want. I don't care. You just don't get to pretend that you are not ending a human life when you abort a fetus. That flies in the face of science and common sense.

                  The only "question" that rests on belief is if it is murder to intentionally terminate a fetus. To which I agree that it is certainly not, at least before viability is reached, and I am willing to concede that there is no way to prevent it after. There is no good reason to risk the wrong people being prosecuted, so deaths before birth should never be criminalized.

                  1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                    Is denying sex 'ending a human life' too...
                    Calls for -- Denying a human life are cliche...

                    The reality of it all (in the overturn Roe v Wade context) is it's Gov-Gun forced reproduction. Otherwise everyone could settle on fetal ejection.

                    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                      Dissemble, deflect, distract. You hit all 3 in one post. It's a Marxist trifecta!

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      I saw a very brief clip with some twitty Ms. Lippy looking broad who kept answering "What is YOUR truth?" when asked whether some biological principal was true.

      They need to eliminate objective, quantifiable truth or their whole becomes absurd and falls apart. I don't know why they can't just say, "I'm a man, but I prefer to dress and live as a woman. Please call me Shirley."

      I would still think Shirley is nuts, but it would make more sense than trying to deny biological reality.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      That professor who got so furious about the word "truth" was a real eye opener.
      You could see he was used to bullying and intimidating everyone who disagreed with him, and when Walsh didn't fold he got so frustrated.

    4. mad.casual   3 years ago

      This is a theological debate more than it’s a political or scientific one.

      It's not even a theological debate. It's strictly pure post-modern intellectual harassment and nihilist bullying. Don't come with questions, they don't have any answers. Don't have any answers because, despite not having any answers themselves, they know yours are wrong. They don't want to tear down the lamp-post because they want electric light or because they want to build something out of the old iron or because they think it ought to be more or less of a lamp-post, they want to tear down the lamp post because they want to keep people in the dark.

    5. JimboJr   3 years ago

      its nothing more than pushing post-modernism as a method for confusing/indoctrinating new followers.

      Not too different from how scientology recruits, or other cults.

      1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

        Pope Francis' latest encyclical from October 2020, addresses the phenomenon well:

        15. The best way to dominate and gain control over people is to spread despair and discouragement, even under the guise of defending certain values. Today, in many countries, hyperbole, extremism and polarization have become political tools. Employing a strategy of ridicule, suspicion and relentless criticism, in a variety of ways one denies the right of others to exist or to have an opinion. Their share of the truth and their values are rejected and, as a result, the life of society is impoverished and subjected to the hubris of the powerful. Political life no longer has to do with healthy debates about long-term plans to improve people’s lives and to advance the common good, but only with slick marketing techniques primarily aimed at discrediting others. In this craven exchange of charges and counter-charges, debate degenerates into a permanent state of disagreement and confrontation.

        http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20201003_enciclica-fratelli-tutti.html

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Spreading despair and discouragement--and then promising salvation--isn't that the definition of the Catholic Church?

  37. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/DocFangFang/status/1532713270875922432?t=M702UgsjTNcX6yqdz__D-g&s=19

    Over the last two decades, more children have died from abortion than on-duty police officers, active duty military, & school shootings combined x10.

    Think about that.

    1. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      Children don't die from abortion. Fetuses are aborted.

      Nice try though, resident moron.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        A fetus isn't a child because reasons. Or maybe the magical trip down the birth canal or something.

        Of course when or if a fetus becomes a child is the whole question which you just begged. My God you people are stupid.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Magical birth canal fairy decides, not you.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            A trip through her magical halls are what turned Tony into a real boy. Works on the same principles as the Blue Fairy in Pinocchio.
            Party of Science!

      2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        "I'm using the definition that means I win, therefore I win!"

      3. JesseAz   3 years ago

        When you think of nothing as human it makes it easier to kill them.

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          They aren't babies, they're nazis, and we need to punch them.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            I'm now pro abortion. Damnit.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              Actually, they are illegal aliens, invading and occupying someone else's land.

              Now how do you feel?

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                But the baby was conceived inside the same borders as the woman through willful actions.

              2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                I mean if the baby crawls back through the birth canal, I guess the birth canal fairy may take away its birth. Can we do some experiments?

              3. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Wait...

                Does a dick turn into a fetus during sex?

      4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        Children don't die from abortion. Fetuses are aborted.

        You must be fun at parties. Everybody loves the guy that makes women who recently miscarried burst into tears and run from the room.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Nobody invites monsters to parties.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          It's okay. There aren't any women at the kind of parties Tony attends.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Do you mean biological type women with uteruses and everything, or free-spirited self-proclaimed women?

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Well maybe some ladydick, but the sausage party principle stands.

    2. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

      No children have died from abortion. A fetus is not a child.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        You're so full of shit:

        child noun, often attributive
        \ ˈchī(-ə)ld \
        plural children\ ˈchil-​drən , -​dərn \
        Definition of child
        1a: a young person especially between infancy and puberty
        "a play for both children and adults"
        b: a person not yet of the age of majority (see MAJORITY sense 2a)
        "Under the law she is still a child."
        c: a childlike or childish person
        "He is a child in most business matters."
        2a: a son or daughter of human parents
        "Do you have any children?"
        b: DESCENDANT
        "the children of Israel"
        3a: an unborn or recently born person
        "… Meghan Markle, married Prince Harry, now pregnant with child."

        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

        You freaks need to redefine words and lie about their definitions because you realize your vile stance makes you sound like monsters.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          (3a) ***ADDED VERY RECENTLY*** thank to B.S. propaganda stuffing political B.S. in the dictionary.

          Not even 2-years ago; it was 'born' to 'puberty' and EVERYONE who's not trying to corrupt the dictionary for political ends KNOWS that.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Or as understood through history. Or are you going to argue for the quickening again?

          2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            It's in every dictionary and always has been, you lying fuck.

            child</b. (chīld)
            n. pl. chil·dren (chĭl′drən)
            1.a. A person between birth and puberty.
            b. A person who has not attained maturity or the age of legal majority.
            2.a. An unborn infant; a fetus.
            b. An infant; a baby.
            3. One who is childish or immature.
            4. A son or daughter; an offspring.
            5. A member of a tribe; descendant: "children of Abraham."

            https://www.thefreedictionary.com/child

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            child
            Definitions
            from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
            noun A person between birth and puberty.
            noun A person who has not attained maturity or the age of legal majority.
            noun An unborn infant; a fetus.
            noun An infant; a baby.
            noun One who is childish or immature.
            noun A son or daughter; an offspring.
            noun A member of a tribe; descendant.
            https://www.wordnik.com/words/child

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Here's the Free Dictionary which lists definitions from dozens of other dictionaries:
              https://www.thefreedictionary.com/child

              They all include a fetus under the definition of "child". The dates included show that the definitions are mostly over 25 years old. These aren't new inclusions like you proport.
              It's time to stop lying.

              1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                https://web.archive.org/web/20040319123043/https://www.thefreedictionary.com/child

                No 'unborn' on the entire page....

                babe, baby, infant - a very young child (****birth**** to 1 year) who has not yet begun to walk or talk; "isn't she too young to have a baby?"

                LIAR, LIAR...

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                  Retard, retard...

                2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  That's their fucking thesaurus page of alternatives you deceitful fuck. Not dictionary definitions. Who the fuck do you imagine that you're tricking?

                  The link I gave clearly shows all the different dictionaries supplying each definition and their dates. Go to those dictionaries sites and you'll see the exact same thing.

                  It's not some giant conspiracy where all the world's dictionaries altered their definitions just to make you look devious.

                  1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                    Just using the EXACT link provided... Oh hey... That was your EXACT link too.... Flat-out denial-ism is so 'woke' of you .

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                      Why do you have the EXACT same screenname as a pedophile?

      2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        That’s a tough sell.

    3. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      what "children"????

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        The unborn ones you deceitful fuck.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          Don't burn down my un-made house man....... /s

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            What if it was already half built? It's okay to burn it down because the carpets and furnishings aren't in yet?

            You've never thought this shit through, have you?

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              2nd Trimester....???? Now, now; go on with your bad self...
              Humorously; That has nothing to do with the debate at hand.

            2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              What if it was already half built?

              I'd say; Well who's is it? A [WE] mobs un-made house, your un-made house or my house.... If it's ***YOUR*** house; I'd say you can do whatever you'd like with it. If it's your 'seed' I'd say you lost ownership of it when you abandoned it on someone else's property.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

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  38. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    The combined percentage of people who said it should be legal in most or all circumstances is now 53 percent, up from 45 percent in 2021.

    This is remarkably fishy to me, to see an 8% swing on a single issue self-identification question annually. If you ever see something like this, you really need to examine what's going on with your data and your polling method.

    1. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

      The new polls merely reflect changing public opinion now that 5 Conservative Catholics on the SCOTUS have documented their conspiracy to strike down Roe v Wade, exposing their carefully crafted lies during their Senate confirmations.

      Now the US women are about to lose their right to abortion, Americans are sobering up, and many more will be voting for pro choice Democrats, which is their only redeeming policy platform other than legalizing weed.

      Meanwhile, the claim by Conservative Republicans that they support freedom is now proven to be a lie.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        You seem to really hate the Catholic Church. Are you upset that no priests touched you?

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          He's a dishonest nut.

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          "Uh, Billy, no offense, but maybe you would be better off as something other than an altar boy. Sister Dykes is recruiting for the choir, you know."

          1. Cronut   3 years ago

            "Billy, you're going to have to stop soliciting the priests to touch your penis or we're going to suspend your alter boy privileges. Also, if you're going to serve Mass, you need to wear underwear under your cassock."

      2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        ^THIS EXACTLY....................

        Republicans are never going to really win a USA in the face of the Nazi-Regime take-over if they can't be consistent..

        Today; It's F'En RINO'S!!

        1. Cronut   3 years ago

          Do these sentences make sense in your head?

          1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            Perfectly.. I don't have an internal battle going on about unicorns having the right to violate *real* people's body autonomy; nor do I have some Power-Mad tendency to throw my unicorn beliefs into other FAMILIES/PEOPLE'S personal life's by Gov-Gun force.....

            Why? Because I take Gov-Gun dictation seriously. It's not a 'suggestion'... It's not an opinion.... It's not a 'service' center or product that one should demand wishful thinking from...

            Government is VERY SERIOUS.... As in; it has the authority to KILL PEOPLE who don't want to go along with it. What other people do about *********THEIR*********** pregnancy is up to them and I'm not about to start locking up doctors for life or killing them while they try to flee (because I'm not a Nazi-Dictator).

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              ...Frankly; The reality of Pro-Life is it's by all reasonable sense Gov-Gun FORCED Reproduction...

            2. Cronut   3 years ago

              Have you seen a specialist? Because you might have a condition.

            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              Thomas J Jones
              @tjj2000
              Dec 3, 2021
              Turn Ons: "Twinks / Teens; Emo / Scene; Piercings and Tatts. I also have a thing for Belly Buttons (The stranger the better), belly button piercings on guys, and belly button torture"
              I occasionally respond to DMs, but am more active on Snapchat (ask for details).

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Hmm, could some recent event have gotten people thinking a lot about their personal position on abortion. What could it have been…

  39. Nardz   3 years ago

    The regime calls for national red flag laws, and this stupid bitch leads with a poll about abortion

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      I think we need ted flag laws for abortions. And also common sense abortion control. EVERYONE should have to submit to an FBI background check in order to get an abortion. And take an abortion safety class, and fill out an application and pay a fee to get an abortion permit.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        And nobody needs assault abortions.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          What about for high-capacity wombs?

      2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        .. and fill out an application and pay a fee to get an abortion permit.

        And there better not be any typos.

      3. mad.casual   3 years ago

        If you get an abortion across state lines, you have to go to an approved abortion dealer who's had a designated federal agency ensure that it's facilities, personnel, and record keeping are up to snuff. Also, your abortion dealer will be required, by law, to recognize the laws and regulations of your home state rather than the state you're actually attempting to attain the abortion in.

        1. Cronut   3 years ago

          You should have to be 21 years old in order to get an abortion. And you should have to register each abortion with the state.

  40. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1532507149770817542?t=-mQIT_kPfdDryBXVJE4xpA&s=19

    We need to:

    Ban assault weapons — and if we can’t, then we should raise the age to purchase them from 18 to 21.

    Ban high-capacity magazines.

    Strengthen background checks.

    Enact safe storage laws and red flag laws.

    Repeal gun manufacturers’ immunity from liability.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      I understand Biden isn't a bright man. But Jesus, it would be nice if he didn't mange to always support the dumbest possible position.

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      and when the next kid commits the same kind of atrocity with a common handgun and a bag of 10 round mags....

      being that the previous kid met zero resistance, seems like it wouldn't have been very hard and the AR15 was not really consequential

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        A shotgun took out the kid with the AR.

  41. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "Another poll finds rising support for reproductive freedom in America. "

    Fuck you, ENB. Abortion is not reproduction. In fact, logic and science might suggest these are opposites.

    And nobody is promoting laws that restrict fucking and sucking among all varieties of adults. Americans are now enabled, if not subsidized and encouraged, to indulge all sorts of sexual shenanigans.

    Now, if you mean indulging in some activities without consequences or liability, then I might ask how you even pretend to hold libertarian values? Why not out yourself as a progressive who wishes to absolve people from responsibility for their actions, regardless of costs, ethics, and morals?

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      People have shifted their opinion somewhat but to break it down as just "less pro life more pro choice" doesnt tell the whole story

      There is also a declining amount of people who are what would be considered "pro-abortion" aka no restrictions on abortion. That population, much like the population who want a complete ban, is also declining.

      The vast majority are for more restriction than is currently in many states, similar to what most of Europe has landed on. Pro-abortion folks have to obfuscate here because they know people actually want some restrictions.

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      She is raising a baby. She knows perfectly well abortion isn't reproduction. She also knows she wasn't magically transformed into a slave for 9 months or at risk of death.

      People would lose all respect for someone that yells at their child, "It would be better if you had never been born!" Abortion is just the preemptive action that obliviates the chance they might accidentally reveal what a horrible person they are.

  42. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "The Michigan Department of Corrections has banned both Spanish and Swahili dictionaries in the past year."

    How do you say, "Let's kidnap the governor in Swahili"? Asking for a friend in the FBI.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Tumteka nyara gavana kwa Kiswahili

      and for good to measure

      Secuestremos al gobernador en swahili.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Have you ever considered a career as a federal informant?

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Every day.

      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

        Mmm-hmmm. If anyone would know, I’d pick you, Canuck. Michigan is close to canuckistan and you got that crazy militia vibe.

        Haha. Just kidding. Fuck Trudeau, tho, for sure. Otherwise Canada’s cool.

  43. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/loganclarkhall/status/1532542813044359180?t=YG8jhutKXv_wcX7rDmqBNw&s=19

    politicians who allowed this are trying to disarm you.
    [Pic]

  44. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/jayobtv/status/1532717916331950080?t=CUgGuZS_3V7mjFyY7S3UrA&s=19

    SCOOP: The State or Florida threatened the Special Olympics with $27.5 MILLION in fines because the organization had a vaccine requirement at its games in Orlando this weekend.

    Late yesterday, the Special Olympics pulled the requirement. 1/3

    1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

      "Florida threatened the Special Olympics"

      Good work Nardz. I can share this one.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        You could privately donate to help make up the funding gap. Get some liberal employees you work with at Act Blue to donate.

      2. Nardz   3 years ago

        Please do.
        That you faggot leftists think this is a bad look for DeSantis vs you child-abusing, Mengele-worshipping totalitarian assholes says it all.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Again, opposed by people who struggle to be one dimensional.

          Do you think you're going to say "Ron DeSantis threatened the Special Olympics." and anybody's going to repeat just that one sentence to anyone? Or do you think the title is going to be immediately rebutted/more accurately clarified with "The Special Olympics was going to force retards to get vaccinated against their will and Ron DeSantis stopped them." At which point you look like every manner of abject douchebag for going with the original narrative?

      3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        If the Special Olympics does something wrong they deserve it.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      The people who run the special Olympics are retarded, news at 11

  45. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-considering-proposal-tax-oil-gas-windfall-profits

    1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

      Awesome news. I'll share this one too.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        We must confiscate evil profits.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Wait, aren't all profits evil?

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Worked well every other time it has been done right? Fuck those low profit margins. It is still profit!

      3. Nardz   3 years ago

        Please do.
        That you faggot leftists think this is a bad look for DeSantis vs you child-abusing, Mengele-worshipping totalitarian assholes says it all.

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          Oops, thread fail

        2. Cronut   3 years ago

          It fits.

      4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        I'll share this one too.

        Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it...

    2. HorseConch   3 years ago

      No way that could backfire. It would be easier if he would just nationalize the oil companies, and speed up the process of totally fucking our domestic oil supply.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        I suppose we should be happy that they're still clinging to at least a shred of a fig leaf of legitimacy. It means they are still at least a little bit worried about the law. We need to just make sure they stay just scared enough to continue to care.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          Do they actually have to pass something called the "Anti Dog-Eat-Dog Rule" before people realize that the Dems have become the embodiment of Ayn Rand villains?

  46. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Pro-Life Identification Falls to Lowest Level Since 1996

    Excellent, so then returning this question to the democratic process should be no problem, right?

    1. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

      If five Catholic Conservatives on the SCOTUS strike down Roe v Wade, pro choice Democrat will be PA's Governor for the next four years (and eight years if the GOP picks another anti abortion extremist as their/our GOP candidate for Governor in 2026.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        Get therapy.

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        I forget. Are the "extremists" the ones who want to kill people or not?

    2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      I don't think every family's pregnancy should be a [WE] vote matter.
      Called me old-fashion but Individual Liberty in my book isn't [WE] mob rules!

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        Overt nailed it the other day:

        Overt
        May.31.2022 at 9:50 am
        Flag Comment Mute User
        Evidently democracy is two adults and one fetus voting on who is inconvenient.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          That was pretty funny.

        2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          The fetus should loose it's vote as it's not independent at all!!!
          What-ever happened to the non-tax payer loosing a vote narrative?

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

            Children are property to be disposed of as how the parents see fit.

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              What "children"???

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                The ones you want to kill. Do you are need me to whip out the dictionary again?

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  Now who ever told you abortion had to involve killing anything...
                  FREE the fetus (??children??)!!! I mean after all; that kind of bondage of children would qualify as child abuse would it not???

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                    Thomas J Jones
                    @tjj2000
                    Dec 3, 2021
                    Turn Ons: "Twinks / Teens; Emo / Scene; Piercings and Tatts. I also have a thing for Belly Buttons (The stranger the better), belly button piercings on guys, and belly button torture"
                    I occasionally respond to DMs, but am more active on Snapchat (ask for details).

        3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          Overt's comment is top shelf funny, but it's actually "democracy is a mother and a fetus voting on who is inconvenient". The father has no choice in the matter. And if she chooses "keep", then Dad is on the hook for 18 years of child support that he can't choose to abort.

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago

            Democracy is a woman choosing whether it's more inconvenient to blame her poor life choices on the fetus or the father.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

              You just restated the original joke, but in a way that is misogynistic and not funny.

              1. mad.casual   3 years ago

                It's not a restatement, it's a more accurate refactoring of both Overt and Diane's point. And the joke's on you, it's only misogynistic if you think women are incapable of making good life choices, either themselves or with the help of their father.

                Or are you here to tell me that a woman who's at the point of deciding whether to abort or seek child support is a decision maker beyond reproach?

                1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

                  Are woman capable of making rational decisions?

                  1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

                    In most cases, no, but they're still human beings.

              2. mad.casual   3 years ago

                Just read your post below. Yeah, lots of context getting lost in the wholesale Japanese to American translation.

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                  Your restatement is mean-spirited and not narrowly tailored, deserving of the sobriquet I assigned. The real crime, however, was not being funny.

                  See below, where I posited, "it still applies here, but the mother has control of the ballot box". Note how I referenced back to the "two adults and a fetus voting" of the Japanese example, while bringing it home by encompassing the ongoing contentions over U.S. elections and "box" also being slang term for the female reproductive organs, which is where the fetus resides.

                  That's how funny works.

          2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

            The father has no choice in the matter.

            Since Overt was referencing the Japanese law regarding fathers. He nailed it.

            I repurposed it because it still applies here, but the mother has control of the ballot box.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Called me old-fashion but Individual Liberty in my book isn't [WE] mob rules!

        That's why we have amendments in the Constitution to protect certain liberties from mob rule. Perhaps an abortion amendment might-should pass. Also probably not a problem given our... "remarkably stable consensus" on abortion, right? RIGHT?

  47. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    • A mask mandate returns to parts of the Bay Area.

    Like I give a shit.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      I will ignore this entirely and make the store kick me out before I put a fucking mask on ever again.

  48. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Every few months law enforcement claims to have "saved" dozens of children from sex trafficking, & only months later does someone track down the details and we find out that it was just that they "found" a bunch of kids who ran away from problems at home.

    What if a deeper discovery and found their parents were trying to get them to consent to transgender therapies? Asking for a friend.

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      The kids that ran will be called transphobic.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        And the ones that stand still are well-disciplined transphobes! Git some! Git some!

  49. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>poll finds rising support for reproductive freedom in America.

    lol you're like some kind of never giving up writer person

  50. Cronut   3 years ago

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2022/06/02/new-analysis-details-enormous-economic-consequences-as-earners-flee-blue-states-for-red-n1602680

    " The problem with chronic outflows, like in the case of New York, is that one year’s losses don’t only affect the tax base the year they leave, but they also hurt all subsequent years... In 2020 alone, New York would have had nearly $123 billion more in AGI to tax had it not been for the state’s string of yearly migration losses. And when the state’s AGI losses are accumulated from 2000 to 2020, it totals $1.0 trillion in cumulative lost income that could have been taxed over the entire period."

    Get woke. Go broke.

  51. TJJ2000   3 years ago

    Oh no.... Cries of, "It's for the children" are getting old???

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      "For the clumps of cells!"

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        chuckle

  52. Joe M   3 years ago

    It's simply not useful to bundle up abortion opinions under a single pro-choice vs pro-life split. I'm sure many people who identify as pro-choice would not be okay with abortion at 39 weeks without an extremely serious cause. And I'm sure many people who identify as pro-life are okay with things like the morning-after pill.

    1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      ...And maybe some of us know how mind our own PERSONAL business and doesn't find this UN-fulfilling urge to dictate someone else's PERSONAL life's.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        If you're diddling kids, Thomas, the last thing decent people should do is let you "mind your own PERSONAL business."

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          What "kid"??? You're imagination of "kids" extends far beyond that to imagination of me doing things in your own head.

          Gosh; Want to pull out the Gov-Guns and shoot me for that too???
          What is this? "Who framed roger rabbit?"

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      You are correct. The vast majority of people, including the Supreme Court that ruled in favor of Roe, in Roe V Wade believe there should be "limits" to abortion. Hell, the Roe V Wade decision EXPLICITLY says that a woman's right to abortion is not unlimited.

      So all of these "keep your laws off my body" people have no clue what Roe V Wade actually said.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        Actually they peg it right on... There is ZERO reason to overturn Roe v. Wade except to give The-State authority (Laws over my body) of pre-viable pregnant woman. Technically UR correct that it's not a dead give-away that over-turning that ruling would enact such State-Law it just gives The-State the authority that it didn't have before...

        And I'll tell you what; I'm sick and F'En tired of the endlessly Government authority EXPANSION around here.... Will there ever be an 'end' to the list of excuses to pull out Gov-Guns on people?

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          Technically UR correct that it's not a dead give-away that over-turning that ruling would enact such State-Law it just gives The-State the authority that it didn't have before...

          Technically, you are an ignorant shit-poster. The states have every authority to enact such laws per the Constitution that Roe v Wade usurped by recognizing an unenumerated right that it treats completely differently in other circumstances. Right to privacy in abortion, yet none in the case of other medical issues such as vaccines or prescription drugs?

          It would not be an expansion of government to overturn it, it would be a contraction. The will of the People is much easier to exert at each smaller level. You just don't like the will of some of the people. Congress is also free to draft an amendment giving the fed the power to regulate abortion specifically, yet has failed to do so for 49 years and counting.

          1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            Yeah, Yeah!!! The new right.....

            It's the State's right to FORCE people to take their pills...
            It's the State's right to FORCE people to vaccinate...

            "It would not be an expansion of government to overturn it" -- that is just a flat out LIE... Individuals currently carry that power.. Are under some impression that giving that Individual Liberty to the State is somehow NOT an expansion of government???

            Screw our Limited Government narrative.. We've got a golden egg of dictation we'd like to pursue.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

              Chant some more slogans. "1 Fed good, 50 states baaad" might be right up your alley.

    3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      No, and that's how it always falls out. We'll probably get a mixed state model that has some restrictions in most places. So, like most of the world.

      Also, don't know if it's mentioned above. But the shift from Pro-Life to Pro-Choice in the numbers cited almost entirely happened with the Democratic party. So, politically it's not really a shifter in any way.

    4. JimboJr   3 years ago

      what the left is going to painfully realize is that frankly the vast majority of people are not for no-restriction abortion.

      And the left have specifically said they are pushing for nothing less than no restriction abortion.

      I dont know a single pro-choice person that I have ever talked to that would sign up for allowing 3rd trimester abortion, and I would bet most of them would be very iffy on allowing it in the second.

      It seems the left has a rude awakening coming on this front.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        Over-turning Roe v Wade has nothing to do with anything but 1st Trimester........ (Granting Individual Liberty) of pregnant Women over Government Authority.

        I don't need to make up excuses to give the government MORE authority.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          But.... Without Roe v Wade it's pretty easy to see how Every Pregnancy in the USA would become matters of the 'feds'. JUST like the endless UN-Constitutional drug-wars....

  53. Cronut   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1532829869528207374?s=20&t=xMuyavIoAB-lyI5-FZKDNA

    "Protester attaches herself to net during French Open semifinal"

    They should have just kept playing.

  54. XM   3 years ago

    From the Gallup poll

    "Currently, support for legal abortion in the first trimester runs more than 2-to-1 in favor (67% vs. 27%). A majority of Americans (55%) are generally against abortion in the second three months, while 36% think it should be legal. Americans are most unified in their views on the third trimester, with 71% saying abortion should not be legal at this stage and 20% saying it should be."

    In other words, probably a third of the "pro choicers" are more in the middle, meaning they support abortions before the fetus becomes viable. How would you define yourself if you support abortion only for the first 2,3 months - pro choice or pro life?

    At a certain point, does a fetus become something close to a human being? Is it granted autonomy as an individual? I'd love to see libertarians writers here answer that question. Remember that some states add murder charges if the victim is pregnant. It's illegal for a woman to dump a baby in the trash can or refuse to feed it.

    1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      It's illegal for a woman to dump a baby in the trash can or refuse to feed it.

      - That is entirely UN-TRUE... Any woman can give **HER* baby up for adoption even if it's delivered in a trash can... Thus; refusing to feed it. And no-one in their right mind is going to LOCK HER UP for doing so.

      All reasonable questions come to an end by the words 'Fetal Ejection'... And if that isn't supported then what is being supported is FORCED reproduction. There is no such thing as Individual Liberty when an Individual can't even claim themselves (their own body) as their own.

      The Republican Supreme Court that wrote Roe v Wade couldn't have decided on that any better or made it MORE Pro-Life logically (non-religiously). 'Fetal Ejection' with ANY chance of even a speckle of survival was the marker used including *ALL* the medical technology and at it's whim for survival. It's VERY VERY Pro-Life as written bordering on unreasonably so.. While also giving The-State *ALL* the authority it would ever need after that point.

      Just image a patient on life support... What is the patients chance of survival?? If that chance is entirely ZERO those machines aren't doing anything but pumping air into a full-dead corpse. There's nothing there to "save". What if there's a 0.1% chance? Not many families are going to leave the PLUG-IN... And that brings up the second part of the equation. Who's IN-CHARGE of such a sticky situation??? Should it be the general public or the closest family??

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        Someone else said this pretty well as; Pro-Life's slogan of unborn babies is just like UN-dead corpses being pumped with artificial air and blood endlessly..

        It's just not an area for [WE] mob government to be involved in.
        It's VERY personal; A family matter.

        Course with all the [WE] mob's ever-growing POWER of Gov-Guns many seem to think they're the almighty Gods of judgment of others.

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