New York's Governor Wants to 'Silence' Constitutionally Protected Speech
In response to the Buffalo massacre, Gov. Kathy Hochul invoked a hoary analogy to justify censorship.

When politicians echo Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes' famous observation about "falsely shouting fire in a theatre," it typically means they are trying to justify unconstitutional speech restrictions. So it was with New York Gov. Kathy Hochul's comments after the racist mass shooting that killed 10 people at a Buffalo grocery store on Saturday.
Hochul, a Democrat, was responding to questions from Meet the Press host Chuck Todd, who during Sunday's show condemned "a permissive culture on the internet" that allows "right-wing extremism" and "white supremacy" to run rampant. Given the role that such views played in Saturday's horrifying attack, Todd asked Hochul, shouldn't "internet companies" be "held responsible for the easy spread of this propaganda"?
Todd noted with dismay that critics of that proposition tend to cite "freedom of speech or things like this." Hochul shared his impatience with such objections.
"I'll protect the First Amendment any day of the week," the governor said. "But you don't protect hate speech. You don't protect incendiary speech. You're not allowed to scream 'fire' in a crowded theater. There are limitations on speech."
Hochul is right that the Supreme Court has recognized exceptions to the freedom of speech guaranteed by the First Amendment. She is wrong in thinking that "hate speech" is one of them.
As First Amendment scholar David Hudson notes, that provision "makes no general exception for offensive, repugnant, or hateful expression." To the contrary, the Supreme Court repeatedly has held that bigoted and outrageously inflammatory speech, including the sort that influenced the Buffalo shooter, is constitutionally protected.
Hochul, who has a law degree, should know that. But her allusion to the analogy that Holmes drew in the 1919 case Schenck v. United States tells you how little regard she actually has for the freedoms she claims she is prepared to defend "any day of the week."
In that decision, the Court unanimously upheld the Espionage Act convictions of two Socialist Party leaders, Charles Schenck and Elizabeth Baer, who had sent recently drafted soldiers "printed circulars" arguing that conscription violated the 13th Amendment's ban on involuntary servitude. While that argument might be tolerable in ordinary times, the Court said, it posed "a clear and present danger" during World War I and therefore was properly treated as a crime.
"The character of every act depends upon the circumstances in which it is done," Holmes wrote. "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic."
A week later, in two more unanimous opinions by Holmes, the Court applied the same logic to uphold the Espionage Act convictions of Socialist presidential candidate Eugene Debs and newspaper publisher Jacob Frohwerk. As the Court saw it, the First Amendment did not protect a speech urging resistance to the draft or articles criticizing U.S. involvement in World War I.
Within six years, however, the Court began to retreat from the "clear and present danger" test. The current standard for punishing allegedly crime-promoting speech, laid out in the 1969 case Brandenburg v. Ohio, asks whether it is both intended to incite "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to do so.
Under that test, it is clear that promoting racist and anti-Semitic ideas such as "replacement theory," which posits that Jews are conspiring to make whites a minority in the United States, is constitutionally protected. Yet Hochul seems to prefer the repudiated jurisprudence that allowed the government to imprison Schenk, Baer, Debs, and Frohwerk.
Hochul's invocation of Holmes' analogy makes it clear that she is not just talking about voluntary moderation by social media companies. "I want to silence those voices now," she said at a Buffalo church on Sunday.
If "the social media platforms that allow this hatred to ferment" fail to suppress it, Hochul said, "I will use every bit of the power I have as your governor to protect you." Fortunately, Hochul does not have as much power as she thinks.
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Have Hochul and her fellow progs ever thought that maybe they are the problem?
WTF how would making race the focus of everything 24/7 lead to a rise in racism?
You know what would help? The president should give a speech about the Buffalo shooting and bring up 1/6.
We must be more concerned about skin color. It’s the only way out.
These are the same people that keep crying 'democracy!' What's ironic is that many clueless Americans agree with them, until that is, it's they who are being silenced! This is because we no longer teach Civics, History, and have no clue what the American culture is about. When we lose it, I hope they first look in the mirror as they are being told what to do by an authoritarian government.
OH, heavens no. Don't even think that. Hate speech!
We've warned for years that the 2A wasn't the only one they were coming for, were we headed? No, instead we were ridiculed as being paranoid. They also seem to be fixed on ending the 4, 5, 9, 10 amendments as well. I'm waiting for them to start wanting to house troops in our domiciles without permission or renumeration.
Pretty sure left wing brownshirts are camping on private property.
Yeah. Trying to pressure a decision of the court. But the right is the extremists who ignore the foundations of our government.
The courts have already killed 4. 5 is on life support. 9 has largely been ignored since the founding.
Anyone who wants to take away one part of the Bill of Rights probably doesn’t have much problem getting rid of the rest of it.
True. Now try convincing the American people.
We only need enough to cut the head off the snake.
They aren't rights they are privilidges that can be stripped at a moment's notice.
George Carlin: You have no rights....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E
Like the name says, the 2nd protects ALL the other Amendments.
Thank goodness for the 2nd and thank goodness U.S. citizens are armed if the 2nd is ripped away.
Neither party is worthy of the public trust. Both are wings of the same corrupted bird called "Federal Government".
What are REPUBLICANS doing to stop the Democrats other than posturing and throwing faux "bitch fits"? When Republicans had both chambers and the White House, why didn't they defund and dispense with Planned Parenthood?
Why aren't REPUBLICANS throwing all hell toward Democrats now that Sussman's lie has been exposed and so many ties directly to Hildabeast Clinton have been revealed?
Why didn't worthless REPUBLICAN'S have our last President's back?
A lot of republicans need to go too. That’s why primaries are so important.
At least 3 is holding up.
As Dave Chappell said, the 2nd Amendment is in case the 1st doesn’t work.
racist and anti-Semitic ideas such as "replacement theory," which posits that Jews are conspiring to make whites a minority in the United States
ROFLMAO! I've heard lots of explanations for Replacement Theory. Speaks volumes that Reason is the first place I've heard it blamed on The Jews. Exceptionally funny in light of the earnestness of CRT and its targeting of all of Western Civilization:
racist and anti-Semitic ideas such as "critical race theory," which posits that Jews are conspiring to weave socially-biased institutions into the fabric of Western Civilization
"Western civilization" is just a polite euphemism for white supremacy!
Kind of funny how Jews are supposedly blamed by White supremacists for the great replacement and at the same time by leftists for inequality (ie capitalism) which is also racist, and of course being pro-Israel.
replacement theory is a retread of an old racist doctrine, and blaming the jews has always been a component of that even if some of the indoctrinated don't realize it. or did you think it was a coincidence that there are still swastikas at white nationalist demonstrations?...... you don't fly a nazi flag because you ONLY don't like brown and black people.
I've never attended a white nationalist rally and never seen one other than on TV anywhere. As for the rest of your post, it seems to be guilt by association.
Guilt by association works both ways and the rule of goats applies. It's time to stop staring at the abyss when you're trying to inject The Joos! into narratives that even White Supremacists revamped and stopped injecting them into several decades ago.
White nationalist rallies really don’t exist in any significant form in the US anymore. Except in democrat fever dreams.
you don't fly a nazi flag because you ONLY don't like brown and black people.
Are you saying that, if somebody is OK with Jews but not black and brown people you're the one in charge of assigning them a flag?
Very confusing. Last I checked - Jews are white.
The Ethiopian diaspora will be shocked when they find out.
actually,no.DNA analysis shows they are a specific genetic group.Consider the number of diseases peculiar to Jews-Tay-Sachs and Fanconi's anemia for example.They may have white skin,but they are not genetically white(i.e Northern European)
Are you seriously asserting that Northern Europeans are the only white people?
And Judaism is a religion. So someone can be Jewish or not Jewish at will. Unlike changing gender, which actually is completely rooted in biology.
Joe Biden was caught on video saying it would be nice to see white Americans of European stock be replaced as the majority in America!!
So, according to your theory, how were The Jews involved? - Jacob Sullum, NPR, NYT, WaPo... ...
Actually it's possible to be a Koch / Reason libertarian in good standing and support government restrictions on speech. That's the position held by Reason contributor Noah Berlatsky.
#LibertariansAgainstHateSpeech
#LibertariansAgainstMisinformation
Don't forget...
#LibertariansForTheGreatReplacementOfBlueCollarJobs
left-wing extremism is what brought racism and sexism into society.
But; Projection is their biggest character trait so it's right-wing..../s
+1
As a Jew, I'm glad to see that Governor Hochul has the moral courage to stand up against hate speech. When is America going to be reasonable and fall in line with other liberal, Western democracies that understand that "free speech" has reasonable limits. Canada, Germany, and the UK all know that democracy can't flourish with unregulated speech.
Um, the US has been flourishing quite well for the last 250 years or so. And since we are the most tolerant, inclusive, and diverse country on the planet, I'd say it would be best to keep doing what we have been doing rather than change that up.
So what are you doing in the USA... Move to Canada, Germany or the UK... Why are you people here complaining about the USA foundation of Maximum Freedom and Limited Government????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
You think that is the handle of a serious commenter?
Yeah.
He's no OBL, but trying.
He has his moments.
He hasn't had one yet.
Germany certainly has a great record on human rights.
Do you seriously think life is better for Jews in Canada, the UK, or Germany? Where Jews are warned not to publicly wear kipot or other items identifying them? The EU's highest court even lets countries ban kosher or halal slaughter, and some want to ban brit milah.
The same First Amendment that lets people criticize religion is the one that lets others practice it.
Then why don't you move your butt over to one of those countries? In the mean-time respect our 1st Amendment. If you can't or won't do that, then by all means pack your crap and leave and don't bother EVER coming back.
The same time when they take away your freedom of speech.
Would things like accusing teens of racist behavior and then doxxing them be considered hate speech? (Sandman) Would accusing a teen of multiple murder and then doxxing them be considered hate speech? (Rittenhouse)
Would things like accusing teens of racist behavior and then doxxing them be considered hate speech? (Sandman)
I suppose you're going to try and blame that on the Black Hebrew Israelites aren't you? You white supremacist Jew-hater.
That would be the media, left-leaning punditry, hollywood shitheads. and a lot of team blue. The BHI are a bunch of racist dickheads who definitely made things worse, but they didn't release edited footage of the incident, then lie for weeks about what had happened. In fact, this is the same thing that these groups do, each time a new event occurs.
Go crawl back under your rock, you slime-ridden, stinkin' troll!!
Not if it’s done by the right side.
White Catholic schoolboys are privileged right wingers, and there no is no such thing as hate speech against such people.
Popular speech doesn't need to be protected by the government. Society will protect it.
Popular people don't need rights granted by the government. Society will protect them.
The rich and powerful don't need the 2nd Amendment. They can hire bodyguards.
It is precisely the speech we disagree with that must be protected most vigorously, because when give someone the power to decide a racist shithead can't speak, you also give that same someone the power to silence you. It is precisely the most despicable and obviously guilty criminals who need their rights most protected, because when you give someone the power to take them away, then the only thing stopping them from taking away yours is they have to smear your name in the mud first. It is precisely the poor, the uneducated, the minorities, whose right to bear arms must be most vigorously protected, because when you give someone the right to take away their only means of defending themselves, you will be able to set your watch by the disappearance of your own right to defend yourself from that same someone.
Yep.
Society = The Party
Then why would you champion blanket restrictions for anyone labeled a "sex offender" by our joke of a justice system that kick them off social media of any kind under pain of imprisonment even when their crime didn't involve the misuse of social media in any way?
We don't get our rights from the government. They are our unalienable rights granted to us through our humanity. Rights do not come from government. The government in Washington was given the task to protect our rights.
" And rights aren't rights if the government can take 'em away, they are only privileges." George Carlin.
"... shouldn't "internet companies" be "held responsible for the easy spread of this propaganda"?..."
No.
That was easy.
No. Not legislatively.
FIFY.
Hochul is what you get when you do a clown face in Bondo.
Uncle Leo on line 3 wants his eyebrows back.
""To the contrary, the Supreme Court repeatedly has held that bigoted and outrageously inflammatory speech, including the sort that influenced the Buffalo shooter, is constitutionally protected.""
What how fast liberals turn against SCOTUS precedence.
Yeah, except when it comes to the horrific invented "right" of selfish, soulless women to murder their unborn child.
The same liberals that have no problem with looting, burning and destroying people's livelihoods.
Oliver Wendell Holmes shouldn't have been so panicky.
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She would fit in well in North Korea, the bitch.
Electing more women isn’t working out so hot. “I will protect you” sounds like something a mother says to her children.
We’re not your children Governor.
That is one ugly drag queen.
Someone ought to permanently silence this fugly, useless cunt!
Those fascist leftwing knees never stop jerking.
Is it hate speech to note that it looks as though her granddaughter drew in Hochul's eyebrows with a crayon?
We have had Leftists touting the relative demographic shift in immigration and birth rates as guaranteeing the Demoocrats a permanent majority for years. So aside from the goto conspiracy theorist explanation that the Jews are behind it, is the reason Replacement theory is considered racist if you think it is an undesirable outcome?
Also, the teenager responsible for the killings seems to have been all over the place ideologically, is he really the product of right wing extremism? There is also the implication that left wing extremism is acceptable and should not be suppressed.
"Woke" Democrats Wants to 'Silence' Constitutionally Protected Speech
I give classical Democrats like Alan Dershowitz credit for not going "woke" and supporting the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The problem is there are so few classical Democrats left.
Nope. Threatening speech is NOT protected by the first amendment. Nice try but no. Incitement is not protected. Neither is speech that threatens bodily harm or causes an immediate breach of peace. As a journalist, you ought to know this.
Nothing that Tucker Carlson said constitutes threatening speech or incitement under Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Which is probably beside the point, as the smart money is that Brandenburg, having outlived its usefulness (i.e., permitting Black Panthers and Weathermen to call with impunity for riots and the violent overthrow of the government), will be overturned as soon as the Dems can seat five of their nominees onto the Supreme Court.
the smart money *says*
Ask Preet how well that argument worked out, fucko.
Dear Governor Hochul:
Regarding your desire to violate the first amendment: FUCK YOU.
Sincerely, every decent human being on the planet.
-jcr
It's a litmus test for NY Democrats, just like support for abortions into the fifth trimester.
Catholics only exist as one of two extremes. Totalitarians or scumbags.
Mm not completely true, after that there's a large portion of oblivious stooges who just keep their heads down.
But not hard at all to tell which one she is.
All three simultaneously.
Rights aren't rights if the government can take 'em away from you. Once we start down that slippery slope of censorship as has been the case for a few years now with professors losing tenure, people being fired from their job and even assaulted for their thought crimes, unless we put a stop to this it will only worsen.
After all if some self appointed arbiter of speech somehow declares what you said on line is hate speech through some nebulous reasoning, how soon before any one of us is arrested and charged with speech critical of the government? It is now a reality in the case of someone who dared criticize a lawyer.
The First Amendment was created to protect the speech of those whom we might find repugnant, hateful and even obscene.
The idea that someone in Washington(DHS) had the gall to create a Ministry of Truth and then assign to it a person of such questionable reputation speaks volumes about those who would silence us. That the entire attempt became a train wreck so quickly is testament to those who truly believe in t he First Amendment. Not some loudmouth, whiny liberal.