New DHS Board Seeks To Counter What It Thinks Is Disinformation
The board's head says she is dedicated to "protecting free speech," but she has also expressed direct opposition to "free speech absolutists."

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced Wednesday that it had formed a new board meant to counter disinformation. According to the Associated Press, the so-called Disinformation Governance Board will focus, in part, on Russian disinformation campaigns.
The board will be headed by Nina Jankowicz, a Wilson Center fellow who studies disinformation and technology. In the past, Jankowicz has advocated for an anti-disinformation agency in testimony before the House's Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Regarding social media companies, she said that she "would like to empower a new oversight body to make sure that there is transparency and that the platforms are doing their due diligence by their users."
But a government entity tasked with policing incorrect information online is both unlikely to succeed and also a potential threat to free speech.
To be sure, Russian-affiliated entities did engage in influence campaigns targeting the 2016 presidential election. (The actual effectiveness of these efforts is far from certain.) But many politicians and pundits in the years since have painted their ideological opponents as Russian agents spreading Kremlin propaganda. Some, including sitting senators, have referred to contrarian takes on Russian actions as "treasonous." Even without a dedicated government entity, some politicians still tend to overprescribe the "Russian disinformation" label.
And there is reason to question Jankowicz's appointment. After being announced as the head of the new board, some of her past tweets resurfaced regarding her promotion of the idea that the story of Hunter Biden's laptop in October 2020 was a product of a Russian disinformation campaign. Indeed, at the time, Jankowicz referred to the official story—that then-candidate Joe Biden's son abandoned his laptop at a Delaware repair shop—as a "fairly [sic] tale."
In fairness, there was plenty in that story to be suspicious about: Before delivering the laptop to the FBI, a computer repair shop owner made a copy of the hard drive, which found its way to Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon, each close associates of former President Donald Trump. But despite the far-fetched details, The New York Times reported last month that the laptop's contents had been authenticated. And that is exactly why the idea of a "disinformation" agency is so alarming: Multiple times, social media companies have responded to both public and political pressure to constrain users from sharing false stories that, with time, turned out to be either completely or partially true.
So far, there is very little information regarding the board's methods or mission: DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has given no specific details, and there is so far no mention of the board on the DHS website. On Thursday, Sen. Rob Portman (R–Ohio) issued a statement that he was "deeply concerned" about the board: "I do not believe that the United States government should turn the tools that we have used to assist our allies counter foreign adversaries onto the American people. Our focus should be on bad actors like Russia and China, not our own citizens."
On Wednesday, in announcing herself as the board's executive director, Jankowicz tweeted that she will seek "to maintain the Dept's committment [sic] to protecting free speech, privacy, civil rights, & civil liberties." But earlier this month, in an interview with NPR promoting her recent book on online harassment, Jankowicz told host Michel Martin, "I shudder to think about if free speech absolutists were taking over more platforms, what that would look like for the marginalized communities all around the world… We need the platforms to do more, and we frankly need law enforcement and our legislatures to do more as well. And in other countries that are looking at this, you know, the U.K. has an online safety bill that's being considered right now where they're trying to make illegal this currently, quote, 'awful but lawful content' that exists online where people are being harassed."
While a free and open internet may certainly facilitate abuse, it also represents one of the best ways for marginalized communities to offer and receive support. And it is not clear what she means by "free speech absolutists," but it is chilling that she then advocates for legislation to constrict speech that, while distasteful, is protected by the First Amendment. If Democrats lose the White House in 2024, it is not difficult to imagine a President Trump, President DeSantis, or President Haley getting to appoint his or her own Disinformation Governance Board, tasked with pressuring social media platforms to disallow information embarrassing to the administration.
No government body should have the ability to determine what is and is not the truth, much less one headed by someone so hostile to free and unfettered speech.
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What? When did this happen? This is the first I'm hearing of it!
Pens, Phones, you know - procedures were followed.
Elect fascists, get fascism.
2022 elections ain't gonna just fix themselves - - - - - -
To be fair, the fascists elected themselves.
Fascists almost always gain power via elections, it's getting rid of them once they've taken power that's the bitch.
They never think they’ll end up like Mussolini.
Mussolini is the easy way. His people deposed him fairly easily two years before the ganked him. The hard way is how the got rid of the fascists in a country a bit further north than Italy.
I’m fine with a Mussolini outcome for top democrats. I think we owe it to them.
Shucks. I wanna use the woodchipper!
We'll save one for you, okay?
Save a couple for my chipper too.
I'm imagining the parachute scene from Deadpool 2, if you make that happen, we'll definitely save one for you.
Here is the money shot.
why does the administration even need another disinformation czar when it already has Jen Psaki?
https://nypost.com/2022/04/28/who-thought-a-clearly-partisan-hack-should-be-bidens-disinformation-czar/
soldiermedic76... WHY ISN'T REASON COVERING THIS?!?!? ARE THEY COMMIES, OR WHAT?!?! MAN THE BARRICADES!!! The redcoats, the vampires, the Lizard People, and even the ZOMBIES, fer Chrissakes... Not to mention the USA concentration-camp-running Thought Police and NAZIs... They are ALL coming to GET us, and NO ONE is speaking up!!!
(WHEN is Reason going to SPEAK UP, for the sake of the Purity of our Essences?!?!?!?!)
It only took them like 24 hours….
Is Sqrsly now trying to pretend Trump is the fascists after Biden just created a minister of truth and propaganda?
How many victims have been sent to the death camps yet, for Wrong-Speak? How many are realistically on the horizon?
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, back at the NEW Branch Davidian, Divisive Tribalistic Far-Wrong Right-Wing Wrong-Nut Branch of Ideological perversion...
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
sqrlsy 1 - I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but,,, you're not ok without your meds.
Please go back and see the kind people in the white coats.
Why are all the psychos always going off their medication?
It's always the same story... "I feel fine!! I don't need these fucking meds!! I'm ok now!"
I'm sorry poor stupid little sqrlsy, but you ain't "fine".
You're a welfare rat that needs psych meds to function.
GET BACK ON YOUR MEDS. NOW.
"Mentally ill", my ass! Whoever disagrees with totalitarians is "mentally ill"! That makes YOU just like the communist totalitarian assholes of the USSR who used psychiatry to punish political dissidents, asshole!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union#:~:text=During%20the%20leadership%20of%20General,that%20contradicted%20the%20official%20dogma.
To be fair, sometimes the generic meds come from Communist China, sometimes they come from India. Since they are all the same (except in they way they work) that supposedly doesn't matter. Except that it does.
And sometimes the kind people in the white coat are campaigning for more federal support, and don't show up at med time - - - - - - - -
Trump didn’t send anyone to death camps either. Goddamn are you fucking tedious sometimes.
Oh I see, he's trying to defend Reason ignoring this story for 48 hours and only now running it as a full length story on the Friday afternoon story dump and not even making it the featured story on the home page. I feel so chagrined now that reason finally decided to post a weak ass takedown of this. Whatever will I do.
"Whatever will I do."
Develop a sense of proportion maybe?
As we speak and write, more and more Trumpanzees and Trumpaloos plot the demise of democracy, and scheme about replacing it with mobocracy! A one-way vote-valve... All "R" votes are valid, and all "D" votes or "L" votes are fraudulent... Will usher in the Paradise of the TrumptatorShit!
You’re garbage.
You're an air-head who knows nothing, and can speak of nothing, with any kind of factual or data-driven support. Tribalism to the 59th power, is ALL that you have, air-head!
He's accusing Trump of plotting the demise of democracy while we discuss one of the most undemocratic actions any President has taken as long as I've been alive and he wants me to develop a sense of proportion. You just can't make this shit up. He really believes this. I think he's been possessed by the ghost of Hihn. Anyone know a good exorcist?
In what passes for SQRLSY’s mind, our only freedoms are the chains of socialism which bind us.
I'm still trying to figure out how running for election and endorsing people is plotting to overturn democracy as opposed to creating an actual minister of truth and propaganda? I'm afraid the sheer illogic of that makes it impossible for me to grasp. Maybe it's some form of nth degree chess I keep hearing about?
Soldier-of-the-Trump-Cult-and-of-the-Big-Lie...
Are you going to refute the contents of the below link?
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
And he tries to defend this twisted logic again. LOL. Such a fucking joke.
And yet Biden is the one that just created a ministry of truth and propaganda just like Hitler and Goebell did. Not Trump. As for no one disputing the facts, I am betting many have you just refused to listen and accused them of being Trumpistas. I didn't vote for Trump and don't really support him, but you're too fucking stupid to understand that. Just because I consider the government actually policing speech far more serious than Trump saying the elections were stolen isn't proof I support Trump. As for Hitler, he never fucking lost an election, so the headline itself is fucking wrong to begin with. And I'm sure that isn't the only mistake from that story. God, you're fucking an idiot.
Soldier-of-the-Trump-Cult-and-of-the-Big-Lie is worried about Der BidenFuhrer sending him to the death camps for wrong-speak! (For the record, once again, I think that Der BidenFuhrer is in the wrong, here).
But Soldier-of-the-Trump-Cult-and-of-the-Big-Lie is NOT worried anywhere NEARLY as much about about Trumpanzees gone apeshit replacing democracy with mobocracy! A threat that STILL looms, until such sunny day, as when Der TrumpfenFuhrer takes BACK His Big Lie!
(Pigs will fly on their own wings before then, as far as I can tell.)
And he keeps going and going and going. He is so fucking unbelievable, only one fucking note. It's not even funny now, it's just sad. He now isn't even making any sense.
And let's just be clear, Trump has no power. Biden is President, why would I be afraid of someone out of office more than being afraid of the person whose actions actually are backed by the federal government? It just fucking isn't fucking logical. It is extremely twisted reasoning and just fucking asinine. You are way to fucking around the bend to even realize everyone considers you a fucking joke at this point. You must be a masochist because you keep coming back for more. It's frankly fucking embarrassing. Get help.
"...Trump has no power."
False! Trump has the power to drastically reduce tribalistic idiocy and divisiveness, fear and distrust! ALL that he needs to do, is to CLEARLY and unequivocally renounce his Big Lie! Ideally, even, apologize for his Big Lie! That, too, is in his power!
Only his ego prevents it!
Just as ONE example of continued Trump "Big Lie" trouble-making, see https://captimes.com/news/government/trump-s-election-lies-persist-online-splitting-wisconsin-republicans/article_00f6e5d2-761f-5e1e-b09c-861b3b9bf5b8.html
And yet again folks. He must believe if he keeps saying the same stupid shit it will seem less stupid.
Everything about the establishment left's narrative of J6 was proven to be a lie. That Sicknick beaten to death w/fire extinguishers, that people brought zipties, guns and molotov cocktails, that AOC almost died, that someone smeared poop on the walls, all of it. All proven to be lies.
But psycho-nazi-fuckstick Sqrlsy has the guts to accuse everyone else of perpetuating a big lie.
What a dishonest cunt.
Has anyone told shiteater that Trump isn’t president anymore and doesn’t have any control over the federal government?
Hey shiteater, are you really more concerned with Trump than the FBI, CIA, DHS, etc? The new Ministry of Truth under your party? Do you realize your schtick has gone from annoying bullshit to evil?
I'm STILL waiting for ANY of you Lusters-for-a-TrumptatorShit to point out JUST ONE PERSON who was dragged away into the night and fog, for Wrong-Speak, under the Biden Administration's Ministry of Truth! That sort of thing happened thousands of times in NAZI Germany, factually. So your pants-shitting is WAAAAAY overblown!
Hahahahaha, SQRLSY is so far off the deep end.
Hey SQRLSY, anything Trump did pales in comparison to what the Biden administration has done over the last two years.
And no, claiming the election was stolen in the face of multiple anomalies and irregularities, fighting it through the legal system, and leaving office on the appointed day, don’t even rise to the level of ant shit on a sidewalk.
Oh wow I had forgotten about Hihn. But my phone's autospell sure pulled it up. Maybe it's time for a new phone?
I keep hoping the Squirrel will get run over by a car. Or electrocuted by a high voltage line. Or eaten by a hawk.
What is the deal with your hatred of Trump? Was it the lack of interment camps? Was it that Obama beat him to the children in cages? Was it that he had a working economy? Was it That’s the only “negative” thing he did about LGBTQ, was saying the military should not foot the bill for sex change operations. I never could decide if liberals were blaming Trump for hating or loving Jews too much.
I mean the man made some decisions that were arguable, (Personally, I’ll take temporary tariffs, if it means pruning of red tape and bureaucracy, But the blind faith he put into career politicians and bureaucrats was just disappointing), but none of that is what TDS Victims talk about. It’s all “ Trump made me feel bad, because he wouldn’t be a doormat, so let’s take him out of context and try to make him look worse”
Trump clearly lusted (still lusts) after the demise of democracy in the USA, and replacing it with a Trumpist "R", one-party state! There is NOTHING "conservative" (conserve the old ways that work) about throwing away democracy! Those with open eyes, should have seen this a long time ago!
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
Seek help.
What else would you expect from the functionally retarded?
Perhaps Sqrlsy will do us all the favor of playing chicken with a train as many times as it takes to win.
Seriously, mute him. You're not missing anything. I can assure you.
It's too stupid to disregard feces as sustenance. It's probably not even worth eating. It might make adequate fertilizer.
Indeed.
Get a load of the Hillary-mourner! "We wuz robbed" is becoming the mantra for BOTH halves of the looter Kleptocracy. We know the feeling, looters, and better you than us.
Right, so an agency that shouldn’t exist wants to define the truth using power mad buffoons with no expertise on the topics. That
oughta turn out real well. I can just imagine how gov’t respect for the constitution will increase by leaps and bounds. Especially beginning with the 1A. They would nevaahh consider screwing that up. Pffffsss
Y'know, at first I was upset.
And then I realized what an absolutely incredible commitment to truth this is by the Democrats.
See, they're not even lying about hating free speech, anymore. They're just coming right out and getting right in your face about it. Like someone else says elsewhere, there's no veneer to this. They created a fucking ministry of truth and stuck someone who is all the way on one side of the culture war in charge of it. They have just absolutely firewalled the throttle on making an open display of their contempt. That's some radical honesty, right there.
New DHS Board Seeks To Counter What It Thinks Is Disinformation
No doubt Misek is creaming his brown uniform and Sam Brown Belt as we speak.
All the blood rushed to his dick and he passed out.
^+100
Made me LOL
At least no more mean tweets, right editors?
Jankowicz referred to the official story—that then-candidate Joe Biden's son abandoned his laptop at a Delaware repair shop—as a "fairly [sic] tale."
In all fairness, the contents of that laptop are fairly sic.
No mention what evidence was used to formulate this opinion.
It may be fairly said that this affront to the 2nd Amendment has been devised by enemies of liberty , property and the life of the mind
Underrated post.
Open borders...
Put DHS at the helm of international communication...
Why does that sound so contradictory?
Is that like word invasion is far worse than foreigner invasion or what?
Remember, these are the 'Words are Violence' people.
They are also the 'Silence is Violence' people.
Doublethink is real. We all thought that Orwell was writing dystopian fiction.
I prefer the motto “Kill a commie for mommy”.
Dude. I've only barely skimmed across twitter the last couple of days, people are getting seriously even more retarded than normal. It's amazing.
These people are losing their fucking minds (I know, assumes facts not in evidence) over the fact that someone says he wants to make something better for free speech. They are at the point where they are literally denigrating "free speech" by name.
And still calling the other side fascists.
Yeah it takes a real stretch to equate free speech with fascism. But hey Sqrsly will explain it to us.
And just so people are aware, the best thing you can do with a cow that won't back off while you are processing her calf is to keep hitting her on the nose and show her who is boss. She'll either back off and learn her lesson or run you off. If she runs you off, you sell her ass at weaning time. If you back off without trying to show her who is boss, she'll just get more aggressive. I tend to look at trolls like Sqrsly like a dumb cow. Got to keep bopping them in the nose or they'll never learn their lesson.
Except the Squirrel is dumber than a cow. I don't think it's ever gonna learn.
You haven't met my heifer F3. Calves three days ago, and has kept her calf hidden as far away from the herd as possible, believing that is safer, despite if the calf was with the herd, the herd would help chase coyotes away and more safety in numbers. Even when we tried moving her and her calf back to the herd this evening she kept trying to turn the calf away from the herd.
Wait you're right.
I mean, after all, its instinct towards children is protective, even if it's misguided.
i'd do some genetic testing on that calf. That momma cow knows something.
>>Nina Jankowicz, a Wilson Center fellow who studies disinformation and technology
no.
>>No government body should have the ability to determine what is and is not the truth
this is the entire piece.
Yeah. But LyingJeffy says it's more complex.
Instead of him finding a single valid reason for this, he defended it due to nobody knowing how bad it will be. At a minimum it is government paid propaganda. We already know the IC is deep in spreading misinformation from hunters laptop, to the Steele dossier, to clapper lying on the fucking stand about spying on Americans, them denying they spied on congress and Isreal during an election, etc.
How the fuck are they in charge of information? Especially after 2 years of covid misinformation to drive policy.
They finally write an article and it is still a mealy mouthed pile of bullshit from reason.
Fucking Reason, managed to flag my own comment again trying to cancel a response.
Yeah it is pretty weak tea. And Jeffy's passive aggressive defense was laughable this morning. He'll continue to pretend it never happened. It's just complex you see, it's a false dichotomy to be outright opposed to this action until you see what it does.
So "pass it to find out what's in it?" Nah! I'm not that stupid.
Amd what’s up with Pedo Jeffy’s hysterical level of defensiveness about the Florida anti grooming bill? Does that fat tub of shit own stock in NAMBLA? I would think Buttplug would be the one panicking over it.
A Republican proposed it, so he knows it's evil, but Biden creates a ministry of truth and it's nothing to freak out about because we don't know what it'll be like or do.
Do you even speak LyingJeffy?
"anti grooming bill", my ass!!!
Texas social workers (child protection workers) are quitting right and left, due to Texas hate-filled laws about prosecuting parents, "children", and doctors who treat "gender dysphoria", which is NONE of YOUR business, Nosenheimers and Buttinskies!!! YOU and your busy-body ways are endangering the REAL victims of child abuse, with your self-righteous meddling!
READ this with an open mind... If you can EVER develop an open mind, plus benevolence... And you will see!!!
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/11/texas-trans-child-abuse-investigations/
Distraught over orders to investigate trans kids’ families, Texas child welfare workers are resigning
Other investigators don’t want to follow an order they believe harms families but worry about the impact of a mass employee exodus on the state’s most vulnerable children.
Why do you keep lying about that, you sickening psychopath.
And any woke social workers advising confused kids and their Munchausen-by-proxy mothers to get castrated should be fired and possibly charged with child endangerment.
You disgust me.
You disgust me for agitating for us all to support a right-wing wrong-nut one-party state, and for PUNISHING-PUNISHING-PUNISHING all who deviate from Mammary-Fuhrer-Think! What could possibly go wrong here? Have these methods been tried before? What were the results?
He didn’t mention Texas you fucking moron.
And fuck those social workers.
"Vampire Easter Bunnies in Space" will be happy to WELCOME our NEW Government Almighty Overlards as they place spy-TV cameras in every one of our rooms in our formerly-private homes... Ass long ass the enabling "bill" is labelled the "Freedom from Child Abuse" bill!!!! (What could EVER go wrong here, anyway?)
(Oh, wait... That bill will be welcomed ONLY if it was written by "Team R".)
Fuck you. I'm not a pedophile, I'm not in NAMBLA, and it's offensive slanderous garbage to claim that I am. Once again, for the umpteenth time, the objection to the Florida Don't Say Gay law is that it bans NOT ONLY discussion of "sex talk" in grades K-3 - which all sane adults agree is not appropriate - but that it goes BEYOND this to ban all discussion of "gender identity and sexual orientation" that has nothing to do with graphic sex talk. THAT is the objection. Not that anyone seriously is advocating for talking about graphic sexual intercourse with kindergartners, and you are a dishonest piece of filth for suggesting it.
"but that it goes BEYOND this to ban all discussion of "gender identity and sexual orientation" that has nothing to do with graphic sex talk. "
Bans it for FIVE TO EIGHT YEAR OLDS.
This is not ever going to be a win for you.
And it doesn't ban it outright, it just says they can't discuss it without parental permission. If the parent agrees they can discuss it.
And explicitly states "age inappropriate" as what's being forbidden.
So this is a defense of "we want to talk to children about sex in a manner they aren't mature enough to grasp without their parents knowing".
Well, I guess that's their hill, and 1A is ours. I do appreciate the moral clarity.
But hey he claims he isn't defending the new ministry of truth folks. He just spends all his time attacking those who are criticizing this Orwellian move by Biden.
No jeff, the vast majority of the objections are based in spurious bullshit, the wide range of complete lies and false assertions that your in-group, left-leaning folks, and progressives base their worldview on. This isn't to say that right-leaning types don't have the same issues, but that on this set of topics, centering around LGBT+ rights, the number of lies being repeated as absolute truths is pretty astounding.
OK groomer.
Well, at least flagging comments doesn't actually do anything? So, it was annoying, but also totally pointless. Like a buy-one-get-another-free deal on something you really didn't want. 😉
True dat.
he defended it due to nobody knowing how bad it will be
You have to make a MiniTru before we can find out what the MiniTru will do.
No. No we don't. We've played that game before, we're not playing it again. And honestly, even if I know what's in it before they make it? I'm still gonna hate it.
he defended it due to nobody knowing how bad it will be.
You lying piece of shit. I NEVER DEFENDED THIS BOARD. Not once not ever. You all cannot help but lie about me, can you?
Once again, around here, this is how "discussion" goes:
Jesse: Biden drinks the blood of babies!
Me: I don't think that's accurate...
Jesse: WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING BIDEN, YOU LEFTIST????
That is the exact same crap that happened here. This board gets created, based on one or two original news articles, with next to zero details about what it would do, and IMMEDIATELY all of right-wing media goes into overdrive hysterically hyperventilating that it is a MINISTRY OF TRUTH. It is pure scaremongering and demagoguery. THAT is what I complained about.
Cite?
I like how you knee jerk defend the creation of the ministry of truth and get upset because libertarian minded people call you our for it.
Seriously, why are you even here at Reason? If you aren't angered by this action, then head over to Salon or Vox and huzzah with your fellow fascists.
https://reason.com/2022/04/28/joe-biden-takes-another-stab-at-zoning-reform/?comments=true#comment-9468619
To be fair, you didn’t defend it. You just gave a half hearted “meh” and then accused everyone of blowing things out of proportion.
It doesn’t matter what the Ministry of Truth would do, it’s mere existence is unconstitutional. How can you not understand that?
I'm not lying about you jeff, you're a sophist, and a whiny one at that. It's you're nature, I suppose. That isn't a defense, but it is a 'nothing to see here, move along.' And then you re-direct the thread onto Florida, which if it were someone else, on another topic, you would likely claim was whataboutism. It remains to be seen if the DHS having the ability to control, censor, and punish people and entities will be a positive thing for civil liberties. And whether a paid left-leaning anti freedom of expression grievance culture scold and misandrist having undue influence over the nation's policy will be positive in terms of individual rights. / sarc
A center named for Woodrow Wilson is probably not a friend of the 1A.
one of my many k-6 schools was a Woodrow Wilson
One of my college buildings was a Woodrow Wilson. Back when Biden was still sane and dinosaurs roamed the earth.
I can beat you there. Wilson actually was a professor the college I went to.
From what I've read he was actually a halfway decent professor, that's where he should have stayed.
He got the Super Peter Principle.
I was Wilson's baby-sitter.
Why didn't you drown him in the tub then? You would have been doing the world a favor.
That's what they said about me baby-sitting Hitler.
Your gig as Whitney Houston’s babysitter was probably uncalled for tho.
Is everything still unfair? I can't tell...
Just for clarification, when exactly was Biden sane?
I think he was only a stupid, glib asshole if you back far enough. Always a liar and a cheat though. Perfect for the democrats.
Yeah, that too.
Is there anything bad that we can't blame on Wilson since March of 1913?
Hurricanes?
Possibly. I'll have to think on that one and get back to you? Who created FEMA, that may not be Wilson. Have to look that up.
the New York Mets.
I'll go one better, the fact that every year the Mariners get my hopes up, and then crush them in August.
ya at least the Mets won a couple. you'll always have 1995
2001 wasn't to bad until they fell apart in the post season.
Don't label it murder, just call it really late term abortion.
Thread failure meant as reply to Cretin.
I was gonna say, that sounds like an epically bad season.
Have you seen how the Mariners have played the past 21 years?
I mean they once blew a 17 game lead in August to miss the playoffs.
Point taken.
I abandoned all hope for them years ago.
They are playing well. So I have a little kernel of hope but I'm trying to keep it in check, because I know they'll break my heart again.
Seems to have missed Psaki saying yesterday that this board will be policing upcoming elections for disinformation, monitoring for COVID disinformation and that the board also stated Wednesday they will be especially dedicated in rooting out disinformation aimed at minority communities, or that Psaki also stated she couldn't think why anyone would be opposed to this board. Other than that, glad Reason finally came to the party. Only 48 hours late but hey better late than never. I still see they had to throw in the "think how bad it will get if Republicans get control of this" line.
Seems to have missed Psaki saying yesterday that this board will be policing upcoming elections for disinformation[.]
Ah. Well, then.
Hey, soldiermedic76, get one of your kids to show you how to use the remote so you can turn Fox News back on.
How droll.
Oh look. A moron. How common.
Boring troll is boring.
Whose sock is this? Whats your angle? Nobody's buying that.
Come up with an argument next time, you dolt.
Sarc assured us this morning this board is all trumps fault.
And Joe Friday states it has no enforcement power despite no one actually stating yet what the board will do other than "combat disinformation". Nothing to see here folks, move along.
To give Sarc some credit, he did state this was the Democrats fault due to Trump's actions giving them an excuse to do what they've wanted to do for decades. He also unequivocally stated it is a violation of the 1A, which is far more than LyingJeffy who said it may be a bad idea but nothing to freak out about.
He flatly stated this was due to trump and then claimed there was no covid misinformation such as with ivermectin.
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There would be no Disinformation Governance Board if not for Trump. It is in direct response to him and his followers.
He flatly ignored this is the end result of years of buildup. Note he used the word direct.
I know but he did clarify a bit. Just being fair to a bit. He was far more definitive than Jeffy was in condemning this.
He doesn't get credit for that. He always walks back his statements after being called out. But he will continue to deny he ever made his original assertion.
He's still miles better than LyingJeffy in my opinion.
I've only told two people to fuck off and die on the comment board, LyingJeffy and Joe Friday, as far as I can remember.
Not Buttplug?
Nah, I just muted his sorry ass. He's always been puerile and jejune.
You're too polite, but they haven't invented the swear words to accurately convey my opinion of him yet.
It sounds like a running woodchipper.
And note. This is the same things the government started doing in 2016 in the run up to the election. Dismissing facts while propping up misinformation. Prior to trump even winning.
Yeah, I pointed that out.
In fairness, there was plenty in that story to be suspicious about: Before delivering the laptop to the FBI, a computer repair shop owner made a copy of the hard drive, which found its way to Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon, each close associates of former President Donald Trump.
Whats suspicious about this exactly? The shop owner provided the receipt signed by Hunter when the story broke. Multiple people confirmed the emails were real. The pictures and videos were real. Hunter never denied it.
So what was suspicious? It made a Democrats son look bad?
"It wasn't presented in an institution of journalism"
/Jeffy
Just one of the longest running newspapers in the US.
See, this is exactly why we need a ministry of truth, so that next time anyone dares to question an official claim (like the falseness of the Hunter Biden laptop story, for example), Reason can point to the official statement from the ministry of truth that proves it.
Exactly. This chick is simply the 'disinformation' version of Anthony Fauci, who will say anything the administration wants. Then they can point to 'experts who agree' and that's that.
This is going to be really, really ugly.
You want an insurrection? Because this is how you get an insurrection. And not some people playing cosplay in the capital rotunda, the actual shooting kind.
I mean, I think they kinda do, because they think they'd win. Even if they're wrong it would suck out loud worse than anything 90% of Americans have ever experienced.
Yes it would, it would suck like a black hole.
Yeah I never got that, that they think they'd win. Most of the military comes from red districts. Most of the guns, manufacturing and agriculture (plus water and electric resources for the urban areas) are in red districts. The only thing they have going for them is a larger population but if we laid siege to the urban centers, that large population will become a detriment.
It won't be like the civil war where you had an industrialized north vs a rural, agricultural south. The industrialized north has mostly disappeared. And who will they get to run the factories, even if they get them up and running?
I agree, it's absolutely fucking insane. I'm not sure there's ever been a civil war where the two sides were basically defined as "owns weapons, knows how to use them, wants to be left alone" and "doesn't own weapons, doesn't want anyone else to own them, and can't leave anyone alone".
They just keep fuckin' with the pin though. They knock it loose and drop that spoon, "Oops" ain't gon' cut it.
Because Orange Man supporters bad. That’s it. That’s the Reason.
It's time to update my list of all the amazing things President Biden has accomplished in just 15 months:
Delivered the vaccine.
Shut down the virus.
Liberated Orange Hitler's concentration camps.
Created the best economy ever.
Frightened Putin into submission.
Put a soft-on-crime Black woman on the Supreme Court.
Established the Disinformation Governance Board.
He's already the best President ever — sorry, Obama, you fell to 2nd place! — and we're not even close to the halfway point of his first term.
#LibertariansForBiden
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Defending the ministry of truth I see. Nothing to see here. Useful idiot.
Thanks, SleepyJoe!
“ Stocks Tank as Amazon Endures Worst Day Since 2006”
We're already in a recession. Like most recessions it will take us a couple months to realize it. And I'm not sure what tools the fed has left to deal with it. Looks like it wasn't Russia's economy Biden tanked but our own.
MORE SANCTIONS!
And I'm not sure what tools the fed has left to deal with it.
The only tool that actually works: easing government's stranglehold on the free market.
Yeah, that'll never happen. And I'm not sure how much power the fed has to do that anyhow.
I've been told they're independent, so the next time givermint asks for mo' money they could "just say no". Not holding my breath...
Just take over, force the leftists to leave America forever, and we keep all their money and property as ‘reparations’ for to compensate us for some of the damage they’ve done through their Marxism.
Leftists love reparations. So it shouldn’t be a problem.
I keep thinking back to that joke Mittens made about "President Manchin". Just... holy crap, we'd be so much better off with that Joe right now.
Yeah. About the sanest democrat left and that is saying a lot.
So, The Ministry of Truth for real.
Anyone who votes for a democrat ever again cannot say they were surprised at the fascist outcome.
Yeah, it would be ironic if we haven't been pointing it out for years, that the ones who claim to be fighting fascism actually are fascists. They economics (except the full on socialists) fascists (government control of private businesses is fascism). Disrupting the speech and political rallies of their opponents, even using violence to do so, fascist. Now they've just implemented a propaganda and truth minister (anyone know if she's an occultists? Because that would be to close to the mark). They already treat the FBI as a pseudo Gestapo. The only thing that hasn't happened is for the trains to start rolling (they've already picked out their enemy of the state, and it's straight white men, and white adjacent men, and many don't have much use for Jews either).
In fairness, there was plenty in that story to be suspicious about: Before delivering the laptop to the FBI, a computer repair shop owner made a copy of the hard drive, which found its way to Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon, each close associates of former President Donald Trump.
Were we wrong about everything related to this story?
Well, yeah, but just look at his beady little eyes!
This is not the first time this 'there was plenty in that story to be suspicious about' bs has been written here, it's the cascading left-leaning faux rational thinking line. Why faux? Because it's delivered immediately before 'Before delivering the laptop to the FBI,' an agency which any organization that defends civil liberties or leans left -and that's where this line is cascading, would not normally trust a federal agency with evidence that might impact a national election. And, given this, making a copy of such evidence would be prudent. As for it making it to guiliani and bannon, maybe not the best choices, given the hand-wringing, but, the story got out, so they were good choices.
https://twitter.com/IronicEffort/status/1309908837911142402
Before she was a fierce feminist color revolution debunker, Nina Jankowicz sang erotic Harry Potter songs. I don’t use the word Renaissance Woman too often...
Harry was below the age of consent at the time.
Sqrlsy says 14 is fair game for castration, Jeff said 14 year old's can consent to sex with adults, and we all know where Buttplug stands. So it looks like she's a centrist for making dirty poems about young Harry.
Not only a centrist but a true libertarian as opposed to all us Trumpistas that claim to be libertarians or libertarian leaning or classical liberals.
Providing a teenager with “gender dysphoria”, with ANY kind of “emotional support”, or a charter school with protection from bullying, is the SAME thing as raping 3-year-olds, and MUST be PUNISHED- PUNISHED- PUNISHED in the exact same manner!
Judgmental self-righteous asshole describes you to a "T"!
You have "human dysphoria"... You're an evil inhumane being stuck in a human body! Try to LOVE being a humane human, for once!
Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer has ZERO balance… She would PUNISH- PUNISH- PUNISH the ones who fart too loudly, the same as the ones who fire-bomb our houses in the middle of the night!
All agonist-muscle, and no antagonist-muscle, You are, Oh Perfect Imbalanced One… All gas pedal, and no brake! And one of these days, You will have earned Your Perfect Self a Perfect Collision of Agony!
You know, Mammary-Fuhrer, your “species dysphoria”? Whereby you have an evil, inhumane spirit stuck in a human body? Let’s call it what it is… It is an EVIL spirit! It does NOT lead to your Happy Place!
Whether your evil spirit is merely metaphorical, or metaphysical, Mephistophelian, or Manichaean, it really doesn’t matter much. (I can say that it is a waste of time to bother to look for it under your bed, or in your closet, is about as far as I will go). The rest isn’t worth arguing about.
All I can say is, whatever its nature may be, your evil spirit is NOT going to lead you to your Happy Place!
Healing often starts with understanding. Start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
The only one who keeps bringing up raping 3 year olds is you, you dishonest piece of shit.
You pussy-grabbing power pigs have done that all day, every day, liar!
You still keep on evading the fact that you said you're fine with castrating children.
And no, gender dysphoria is not a valid excuse as it is often temporary and can be the result of indoctrination or social contagion.
"...the result of indoctrination or social contagion."
Kinda like right-wing wrong-nuts who conspire to grab POWER AT ANY PRICE for THEIR team? Even at the expense of democracy and decency? Do You even know what "decency" means, Oh Perfect One?
No.
Nothing like that at all, you psychopathic nazi piece of shit.
R Mac... Tell us the TRUTH now... Those cute little bunny waaaabbits that deposit all of those "smart pills" under the rabbit hutch, just for YOU... You are "grooming" them to be your SEX SLAVES for you, after ALL that they've so kindly done for you! Aren't you??!?!
Jeff said 14 year old's can consent to sex with adults
This is a fucking lie, I never said anything like this at all.
You did whine that not letting child molesters claim refugee status was decreasing their liberty, though.
Buttplug---is that the board pedophile, Nelson?
And wondered who to fuck to be rich, famous and powerful. She's really an awful singer, but I wish she'd stuck with it rather than leading the Ministry.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/watch-biden-truth-minister-sings-who-do-i-fck-to-be-rich-famous-and-powerful/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/bidens-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-online-gender-disinformation-of-kamala-harris-a-threat-to-democracy-and-national-security/
In the article, Jankowicz outlined tech companies and government should work together using “creativity and technological prowess to make a pariah of online misogyny.”
Social media companies, she argued should “make the shift toward believing women” allowing them to identify and censor content. Jankowicz also called for tech companies to stop “a tacit pile-on instruction” from influential people with a lot of online followers.
Jankowicz said online mockery of women was a threat to democracy, warning that “gender disinformation” could prevent women from running for office.
In September 2021, Jankowicz testified about “gender misinformation” being a threat to democracy in the British House of Parliament.
She cited Harris as an example:
I think of the little girls who were so happy on inauguration day, seeing our first female Vice-President inaugurated and, for those of them who are online, looking at the responses to tweets or Vice-President Harris’s Instagram posts, where people call the Biden-Harris Administration “Joe and the ho”, or worse. There is much worse, alleging that Vice-President Harris slept her way to the top.
During her testimony, she argued that “gender misinformation” was also a “national security concern.”
“It is not just a democratic concern; it is a national security concern, which should make it of interest to everybody in government,” she said. “It is not just about hurt feelings. It really affects the way our countries operate.”
alleging that Vice-President Harris slept her way to the top
“alleging” … hahaha ….. for Willie Browns whore
she has also expressed direct opposition to "free speech absolutists."
"Only *terrorists* would be in favor of allowing hate speech, amirite?"
Is this like the video of (fuck forgot his name, evil right wing host who asks leftist embarrassing questions that expose them) debating with the German woman as to if Germany has free speech and she stated yes they do but hate speech isn't free speech.
Hitler agreed
Hitler supported freedom of speech, for things he agreed with.
Which seems to be what this bitch believes too.
Yeah trump is really Hitler, not the guy that just created a department straight out of Hitler's playbook.
I'm glad to see that you finally see the wisdom of the below!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
The fact you keep posting this salon article like it has any bearing in reality is fucking hilarious.
Germans were ALL free to say "Heil Hitler"!
Had Trump had His Way... We'd ALL have been free to have our votes counted honestly... If we voted "Team R"!
This is a article about the Democrats are actually creating a fascist Ministry of Truth, and yet this sociopath is saying Trump would have somehow brought in anti-democratic measures.
And he calls others "tribalist". What a joke.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/09/opinions/canadians-fear-us-democracy-collapse-obeidallah/index.html
Even Canadians fear US democracy could end soon
Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer!
When the USA gets the 1-Party TrumptatorShit that You lust after, and hundreds of thousands of REAL libertarians and democrats come swarming into Your Canuckistanistanistanistan… Are You gonna be lusting after sending them back to the USA, to be tortured and-or killed for their wrong-think and wrong-votes?
It's not actually human or even sapient. It's just a robot.
It might be made out of meat, but it's still just a robot.
"All speech is free, except some speech is more free"
We're all comrades now.
Jankowicz tweeted that she will seek "to maintain the Dept's committment [sic] to protecting free speech"
"See, we even permit mispleling if it's not hate speech!"
Will seek to maintain. Bitch that's your fucking job. All federal employees swear to uphold and defend the Constitution. That is your first fucking job. First and foremost.
This is literally worse than the Soviet Union. At least there the postal service would correct your grammar.
I think Jankowicz may have gone to one of those fly-by-night "colleges" that passes everyone through with a gentleman's B, no matter how stupid you are.
Georgetown. Yeah, that checks out.
That makes me even more nervous. That makes us one missed keystroke away from banning hat speech.
The first amendment obviously doesn't cover fedoras vs stetsons, who could believe it did?
The founding fathers discussed three cornered hats exclusively. The idea that it generalizes is a legal fiction.
"But they also had bicorn hats available. But no one could own them at the time the constitution was written, so it's obvious it doesn't cover every hat." Joe Biden
Nobody needs 23 choices of hat.
Berets are assault hats meant for military use and not for civilian use.
There's no reason for hats of war on our streets!
Especially black ones.
With the little flash thing that goes up.
This is misogynist behavior and therefore either misinformation or disinformation: we haven't decided yet, but our cadre of well-qualified Brown and Antioch graduates are on the case.
Your username is being logged and monitored, but totes in a way that is completely respectful of your freedom of speech.
Have a pleasant day!
"Have a pleasant day!"?
And here is yet ANOTHER totalitarian telling me what to do!
Receptionist:
How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall:
I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.
The board's head says she is dedicated to "protecting free speech," but she has also expressed direct opposition to "free speech absolutists."
She... her! SHE!
"There is a body of research on antisocial behavior with females but it's not much talked about. Antisocial behavior with females most often manifests itself as 'reputation destruction'... and that scales on the internet."
So as per usual, we're incapable of appointing someone outside of the Activist Class to even the most contentious government agencies.
You'd think that if you were going to appoint someone to head up The Ministry of Truth, you'd find some quiet professor who studied propaganda and it uses throughout history, who wrote a bunch of books no one read and didn't have a twitter account.
But no, you have to appoint some noisy bitch who's "out and proud" over half a dozen cultural controversies, Tweets constantly and has an opinion about everything flying around the zeitgeist.
You'd think that if you were going to appoint someone to head up The Ministry of Truth, you'd find some quiet professor who studied propaganda and it uses throughout history, who wrote a bunch of books no one read and didn't have a twitter account.
I would never think that.
Look, I'm trying to throw a frickin' bone here.
Who cares if the office of Mohair Subsidies is a raging lesbian nth-wave feminist who thinks Al Gore won the 2000 election.
But if you're going to have the Office of Election Integrity, tone that shit down a notch.
We're at the point where the subtext is becoming the text, basically. No need to hide.
No, "ton[ing] that shit down a notch" completely misses the point. Of course the head censor has to be a raging partisan; the position doesn't make sense otherwise.
I mean, at least they're being really fucking obvious about it. At least nobody will have anything left to hide behind about their behavior.
Oh, they are trying see LyingJeffy And Joe Friday on hit n run this morning and Sqrsly on this whole fucking board.
I’m surprised they did not hire Joy Baer To head the Ministry of truth
Or that 1619 Project poltroon.
You would if you were both smart and evil. You'd want to float the controversial idea in the least controversial way possible so as to normalize it, and then progressively (heh) make it worse once it sticks.
I guess it's some small fortune that the Biden regime is evil but not so smart.
And I'd just like to note this story broke on Wednesday, Reason didn't address it until this morning, and only now are running a full story on it during the Friday afternoon story dump. And it's not the featured story on the homepage, that is the self fellating piece about Wikipedia.
I didn't want this to happen, but now that it has at least I can take solace in the fact that there will be no falsehoods in politics, and thus no disagreements.
"And there is reason to question Jankowicz's appointment" Um, no. There is a reason to question the existence of this "board" at all.
At this point it's easy to say all progressives deserve bullets to the kneecaps then to be set on fire
I’ve been saying this, more or less, here for years. I knew this shit was coming. It’s time to take control and rid ourselves of their kind.
Waste of resources. Handcrank catapults into shark infested waters. They get to wind their own crank.
Is anyone else creeped out that this was created under the DHS, whose head stated today that the number one terrorist threat is right wing whites, but couldn't name a single case involving this that has been referred to the DoJ for prosecution in sworn congressional testimony?
Who is doing most of the murders in Chicago and East St. Louis?
You mean "what". Guns from Indiana, of course.
They come from Skynet, are self aware, and are trump supporters! like that AR-15 that interfaced with Kyle Rittenhouse’s cerebral cortex and forced him to go on a killing spree of innocent, mostly peaceful protesters after it made him cross state lines.
Chicagoans and East St. Louisians.
Ban them all.
Oh shit, I realized the even deeper truth.
People from Illinois. Think about how many of our problems come from that.
Land of Lincoln. It says it right there in their motto. The guy who created the draft and instituted martial law.
Evil white men who own guns and believe in the Constitution don't you know.
LOL, East St. Louisans are not murdering many people in *EAST* St. Louis.
No profit in that.
How do they honestly believe that a board that censors speech is going to pass 1st Amendment muster with any court?
9th circuit court???
They don’t care about any of that. President Ron Klain proved that when he had his puppet, senile pedophile Joe Biden, tell everyone that even though they knew the eviction moratorium would be struck down they were doing it anyway.
It is beyond time to remove all of these people. There can be no more democrat party.
For that matter, why hasn’t Reason done a fucking story about how Klain has his hand up Biden’s backside making him say whatever Klain wants. Effectively running a shadow presidency. Probably largely under Obama’s direction.
The first amendment has been ruled disinformation™.
Easy. The 1st Amendment says 'Congress shall make no law . . .'
This board was not created by congressional legislation. Ergo, not a violation of the 1st Amendment.
Instead, it's a violation of the separation of powers, as the executive is assuming authority not granted to him by both Congress and the Constitution. An impeachable offense, and a violation of the oath of office.
Repeat after me: “Disinformation is any news that does not come from NPR, CNN, MSNBC, or the Washington Post”. Got it!?
Orwell and Bradbury were not meant to be handbooks they were meant their writings as cautionary tales.
I’m waiting for them to to trot out a new requirement for federal journalist licenses. Issuing them to just about everyone, but then threatening to yank them from anyone who steps out of line. Probably also requiring submitting to federal penalties like fines.
Oh that's next. They already are trying to distinguish between official journalist and pretenders (and by pretenders I mean anyone who doesn't toe the leftist line).
You forgot the New York Times, to the re-education camps for you!
Cool! I bet their first job will be to shut down the source of this "Russia is causing inflation" disinformation.
No, no you don't understand how this works, it's obvious the people who are saying Russia isn't causing this inflation are disseminating disinformation from Russia. Now do you understand?
Got it. Consider me dis-disinformed.
The DHS is always happy to help out.
But you only get one warning. Next time we will have to get serious.
This Jankowicz broad is a vile, feminist, cunt. This Marxist whore can take her disinformation and shove it up her ass!
She's also ugly and I would not have sex with her.
Holy shit! In an article about the formation of the Ministry of Truth, we get a "Russians totally interfered in 2016" AND a "Hunter's laptop was suspicious" all at once.
You've somehow managed to wriggle under the bar that's laying on the ground.
"Hold my beer while I grab a shovel."
TeenReason never fails.
That's just Reason asking the crocodile to eat them last.
"Disinformation Governance Board"
Seriously, is this a late April Fools Day joke?
FL Gov Ron DeSantis asked the same question. It seems DeSantis has declared war on Joe Biden’s Marxist handlers. Good to know.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/04/29/we-will-be-fighting-back-desantis-sounds-off-on-bidens-ministry-of-truth-as-republican-fury-builds-1231932/
‘This is the hill to die on’: DeSantis vows action against Biden’s ‘Ministry of Truth’ as Republican fury builds
I actually thought this was just a belated April Fool’s joke, but they are actually going to create in the Department of Homeland Security a bureau of disinformation,” DeSantis said. “It’s basically a ‘Ministry of Truth,’ and what they want to do is, they want to be able to put out false narratives without people being able to speak out and fight back.”
“They want to be able to say things like, ‘Russia collusion’ and perpetuate hoaxes and then have people like us be silenced,” he continued. “They want to be able to advocate for COVID lockdowns. They want to be able to advocate for school closures — things that are not supported by the evidence, but then, when you speak out, they want to stifle dissent.”
“We reject this bureau in the state of Florida,” DeSantis stated to enthusiastic applause.
The Biden Administration’s creation of a “disinformation” bureau within DHS is effectively a Ministry of Truth that is alien to our constitutional tradition.
Florida rejects Biden’s attempt to enforce regime-approved narratives and to stifle dissent. pic.twitter.com/fSnU2gk97x
— Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) April 29, 2022
Good for him. At this point I'm leaning towards him in 2024.
If for no other reasons than I want to see LyingJeffy and Joe Friday come completely unglued.
I sometimes wonder if Joe is some sort of AI bot program, but yeah, chemleft and his bosses will be in meltdown.
Ron DeSantis has been the best governor in Florida in my lifetime.
Desantis for president in 2024!
Hell no. I want him to be governor for life.
Let the rest of the nation grow their own.
Oh sure. But what has America's Most Libertarian GovernorRapidTables ™ had to say about this development?
America's Most Libertarian Governor ™
My kingdom for an edit button.
This is the hill to die on
I cannot disagree.
Ditto.
Also, right? DeSantis has to be thanking Biden for this as a way to cover for the Disney thing.
Though, fuck, I don't know Florida politics. Maybe it's a thing they wanted for a long time and this was just the only time to strike on it.
It was basically required as the agreements had expired under the last constitutional reform and it wasn't just Disney, it was ten special zones all together that got eliminated. Disney was just the biggest player and the left ran with that narrative.
No, I know it was more than just Disney and not by name. And I'm not arguing with his having done it. But it's like the huge ramp up in crazy abortion restrictions in a bunch of states, right before the midterms.
I swear it's like both sides want to lose while fucking up our lives as much as they can.
It's just that the PR sucks. If he'd done it in six months, or just kept his yap shut about it, or even about why he was doing it.
De Santis didn't help himself though by naming Disney publicly. But the legislation has been being debated months before the kerfuffle started.
An even better reason to not say it was even related.
Yeah, it was arguably bad strategy on his part.
It's really the only part I have a problem with.
Early May Day joke.
I have to apologize to all if the women I know. I simply must embrace the opposite of everything this administration implements. Therefore I must now become a misogynist.
Any good sources to learn how? I'm not very practiced at treating women as inferior.
Just identify as a woman, then you can use their locker rooms and compete against them in sports, then you'll catch on.
All the best women are men. Just ask woman of the year Rachel Levine.
I honestly cannot decide whether to laugh or cry at this.
Like, is this just what getting old feels like, for everyone? Or is the world actually going completely and utterly bugfuck insane?
I tend to think a little of both but much more the latter. I am not that old, 46 in June, but fuck I barely recognize our country anymore.
Yeah, near same. 46 in November.
I remember joking back in 2014 or something, maybe a bit earlier, on a firearm blog I used to hang out on -- just to set the scene -- about "missing the halcyon days of the Clinton Administration".
I'm not sure I'd be joking, today.
If you had told me five years ago we'd be debating a government ran board of disinformation I would have labeled you a conspiracy nut.
Sometimes I wonder if it's all a big Candid Camera stunt and Allen Funt will show up on the podium at the UN one day to tell us everything was a prank since 2013.
They are acting exactly like what they accuse Trump of being. It's amazing. What the fuck. How could anyone who was born after WWII in a western nation think this concept is even vaguely acceptable?
I dunno. I guess that's cognitive dissonance on my part. I know they want the power, I guess I just can't imagine them also being so brazen as to brag about it.
How could anyone who was born after WWII in a western nation think this concept is even vaguely acceptable?
Maybe you should attempt to understand their reasoning. Here are three off the top of my head:
- There is an objective reality that even we fallible humans have discerned on particular topics, and if there are large numbers of people who are acting in a manner contrary to this objective reality that will likely lead to harm, government can help to prevent that harm by informing those people of the truth before they make those decisions.
- Commercial products in the information age like social media should not be treated any differently than commercial products that are more tangible in terms of labeling. If a company selling a can of food is required to have an accurate label correctly describing the ingredients in the food, then a company selling "news" should also be required to describe the "ingredients" in the product that they are selling, and the government should enforce that requirement as a service to the citizens that they serve.
I don't agree with those rationales, but at least I can understand them as valid ones.
Sorry, two examples. It's late.
There are more important things for you to apologize for, you mendacious leftist shitweasel.
Neither of your examples merit fucking MiniTru. Especially when all your party's rhetoric is the actual misinformation.
Uh oh! Triggered righty spotted!
Keep up the fascism and your entire party will find out what the triggers on the right sound like.
More appeals to violence. At this point, the schtick is old.
You don’t have to be on the right to see how absolutely fucked this is Jeff. There is no scenario where this is something the government should be talking about, let alone implementing.
This is what I’m talking about though. Your reflexive hate for anyone that could possibly be on the more conservative side leads you to saying just totally cringe shit like the above couple of posts.
Just off the top of my head, would ‘mask mandates/science’ fit into your first category, remembering the changes which have been revealed over the past two years and what was known when; would news ‘stories’ (commercial products monetized) concerning objectively and independently verifiable facts which consistently countered said story have fit into your second category, such as Covington Highschool students or Rittenhouse?
You are illustrating the danger of that first argument, yes.
But hey LyingJeffy swears he isn't defending the ministry of truth. He promised, cross his heart.
Holy shit are you a statist fuck. You don't need government to determine what are subjective truths. Especially after they have a long history of subjective falsehoods being pushed.
What the actual fuck.
Government to determine objective truths *
Objective truths are truths whether government says so are not. You post modernist shit.
Objective truths are truths whether government says so are not.
I actually agree! Unlike you, I am NOT a post-modernist when it comes to objective reality.
Stating the good-faith arguments of others is not the same as agreeing with those arguments.
Lol. Yes you are.
No.
I don't give the slightest of fucks about their reasoning.
It's all poisonous lies. This always goes to shit.
And this isn't even a halfway decent attempt at anything like what you're talking about. They appointed a shiny Hitlerjungend to the position. They didn't even bother with an established hack.
Seriously, even Max Boot or Robert "The Third" Reich would have been more of a fig leaf than this twit.
Hahahahahahahaha, holy shit man. Just wow.
They aren’t valid in the slightest. The concept itself is anathema to individualism, liberty, and freedom.
Jesus tap dancing Christ.
If a company selling a can of food is required to have an accurate label correctly describing the ingredients in the food, then a company selling "news" should also be required to describe the "ingredients" in the product that they are selling...
So you are in favor of punishing CNN, NYT, NPR, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, WaPo, etc. who all ran with the Russian hoax, masks and lockdowns, ignore Hunter's laptop, and more. These are the most serious purveyors of disinformation in the US today.
“…… government can help to prevent that harm by informing those people of the truth….”
Lol. Read that again, mr. radical individualist. Unbelievable.
I know I'm going to regret this...
Calamity Jane wants to shoot something…
Please be careful--you might inadvertently summon Nelson.
When compared to the freakout level rhetoric about Disney and Florida this article is certainly soft pedaling the antilibertarian and downright Orwellian nature of this new government activity.
On the plus side it is at least honest in it's representations.
So, kudos of a sort for that.
But DeSantis is just downright evil and hates gays, Shackleford has assured me of that ad nauseam, because he signed a bill banning teachers from talking to kids under 8 about sex and gender without parental permission. It's the most homophobic and transphobic thing evuh. Don't you know?
OK, this is for the record:
"The Disinformation Governance Board is NOT, repeat NOT, a private corporation."
But don't you know Trump is the one plotting to overthrow democracy not the person who just created a government ran ministry of truth and propaganda. That deep libertarian philosopher Sqrsly has convinced me of that.
Never mind coding, you need to learn to mute - - - - - - - -
" not the person who just created a government ran ministry of truth and propaganda. "
A government run ministry of truth and propaganda is prime evidence of a government that needs to be overthrown.
Sullum shits his pants over exactly the wrong things.
But Trump is Hitler, because he said the elections weren't fair. That is a bigger threat to democracy than controlling speech and thought, don't you know?
On a serious note I am really starting to think I don't have enough ammo.
I have one full combat load out. 210 rounds of 5.56 mm FMJ. But probably need more.
That's not enough ammo.
But buddy, I pity your wallet. It's worse than gas.
I have a press and brass and powder. I just need to get my ass in gear.
That'll help a lot.
Yeah, that is a little light.
We have about 2k rounds each in .556, 9mm, and .40 plus about 200 or so rounds for each of the bolt actions (.308, .30-06)
But frankly if the SHTF I have little to no intention of going against the pointy end of any spear. My list is full of local soft targets. Mostly media and quisling politicos.
I was a medic and a practical nurse on a Combat Support Hospital, probably do the cause much more good sticking with what I was trained in than as a trigger puller. So 210 would be probably enough, as I'll need it more for defense than offensive use.
Defense is when you'd want/need plenty of ammo. If you need lots of ammo on offense you are doing it wrong (or using indirect fire.)
CSH are usually located in the center of a base cluster. The hope is that by the time they get through everyone else, a basic combat load and no crew served weapons will be enough to defend yourself.
I'm envious of your optimism that anything will be that organized.
Well, ok. It will be, eventually. Hell, maybe you'd even get there almost immediately.
But the concern I'd have is if you need to spend some time keeping your local environment calm for a while before you got to that point where you only need to have 210 rounds, y'know?
"I'm envious of your optimism that anything will be that organized."
Yep. I live in NE TN, not far from the NC border. I'm pretty confident that the next time around will be pretty much like the last time around. Meaning not much in the way of organized battles, but a whole lot of bloody reprisals.
Luckily I live in Northeast Montana, surrounded by deep red states. We just have to cordon off Gallatin, Missoula and Lewis and Clark counties, and it should be pretty peaceful.
Yeah. Same here, oddly enough. Only it'll be shit going as far back as the various tribes getting revenge for Onate's crimes and vice versa.
Enh. I had an ex-girlfriend who was like, personally angry at Cromwell for his actions in Ireland. Same time frame, I guess.
Struck me as a bit batty then, and still does, to carry a 400 year grudge, though.
Nardz, is that you?
What an idiot.
Easily frightened I see.
Travel light and get your resupply from your dead enemies hands.
Let me see if I can speak SQRSLY.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lauren-boebert-defund-disinformation-board
This is proof of how the Republicans want to destroy democracy by using their constitutional authority to combat an anti-democracy action by Biden.
Did I do that right?
I think you need to make less sense and ride the caps-lock harder.
Definitely more caps lock. Also pseudo renaming in a pidgin German/Nazi style of anyone who replies to you.
Thanks for the input guys, I'll definitely work it in next time I try to speak his language.
I'm going to sell kits that people can use to build their own 'ghost information' in their garages and workshops!
Dial up modems and BBS software?
The disinformation governance board has determined that all criticism of the disinformation governance board, is disinformation.
How does that whole darkweb thing work again, asking for a friend.
"marginalized people"..code for far lefties who have deep seated inferiority complexes, chip on their shoulder, want to bully and rule over the folks they believe are responsible for their unhappiness. The "white" (and secular or observant Christians) are the go to boggyman to explain why their tribe doesn't dominate this or that. When their tribe does..crickets.
Free speech is the best antidote for "disinformation" and liberty for all. Congress should grow a pair and defund DHS And shut it down. But both parties use it to provide rich consulting and contracting gigs for their families and friends. Thank you Bush for creating the DHS, TSA, and Patriot Act..all are a threat to liberty
See the DNC story I posted above, some are at least trying to deny funds to this board.
FNC, not DNC, they just creamed themselves when Biden announced this, they won't oppose it.
"Defund ... and shut it down" the solution to most of these federal government abominations.
DHS should not defund this, they should DISBAND it in its entirety, those who proposed it should be pilloried (actually would be nice but figuratively at least) and all who agreed to serve on this ‘board’ should have to wear a horse hair shirt for a year.
"The board's head says she is dedicated to "protecting free speech," but..."
'Nuff said; she does not support free speech; the "but" is sufficient to inform anyone.
Just a reminder, for those that forgot, Reason supported Biden over Trump. Because Trump hurt their childish feelings and wanted to enforce existing immigration laws. Be a shame if any of them fell victim to this new ministry. And by shame I mean hilarious.
Maybe they can share the same boxcar as the rest of us to our new homes at the camp with the sign that read Work Will Make You Free at the front gate.
Nah. They’ll be against the wall well before the trains start running. Although someone like Welch might be kept around to write the ongoing propaganda.
What did the Nazis call the Jewish Police that help maintain control in the Ghettos?
Squirrels?
Boom!
Soros?
Jüdischer Ordnungsdienst, but they were under control of the Judenrat and sometimes secretly didn't play along with the Nazis. Our Reasonista think more like camp funktionshäftlings.
Snowflake suburbanites playing out Tom Clancy fantasies again. You fuckers have no idea what real oppression is. It ain't masks and vaccine mandates. Even passing punitive legislation against a citizen who criticized the state, like Florida just did, isn't real oppression.
Joe Asshole trying to be clever again. And failing.
Fuck off and die, shitpile.
And the transwoman has entered the chat....
Thank you, yeah you're probably right about that. And they'll be as surprised as the collaborators were when they got taken to the shower.
(Just in case my FBI file needs to be updated 😉 )
I'm still never getting in the boxcar, guys.
But will they stop MISinformation as well as DISinformation? How about MALinformation? We should have ALL forms of non-left leaning information stopped NOW.
Thank you for your interest in the DGB.
Definitions are still a work in progress right now (we call that "WIP" 🙂 ), but likely what you have described will be referred to as UNinformation. Some of our sociology-major staff have suggested that especially egregious cases should be labeled "doubleplus uninformation", and that is being focus-grouped right now to determine citizen reaction. We will update you on the proper terminology as things become clearer.
Have a pleasant day!
Big guy is watching.
😉
See there you go. Here is your article on the Disinformation Governance Board that you all have demanded. And it is exactly what I expected it would be. It clearly took more than 10 minutes to write. It is fair and reasoned. It lays out both pragmatic and philosophical arguments about why this is a bad idea. It references primary sources. It says that this is a bad idea without going completely apeshit bananas with hysteria about how this will create a Ministry of Truth where citizens will be dragged out of their houses at 3am and shot in the head for nothing more than posting a shitty meme on social media, as a certain poster (*ahem* soldiermedic) tried to claim. And unsurprisingly most of you panned it because that's not the type of article you wanted on this topic. Instead most of you wanted the article called OMG IT'S FASCISM.
Is this board a bad idea? Yes.
Is this board a dystopian MINISTRY OF TRUTH? No.
But the bigger question is: Does it even matter anymore?
If you can "win" by convincing enough people that this board IS synonymous with a despotic dystopian MINISTRY OF TRUTH that WILL drag citizens out of their houses at 3am and shoot them in the back of the head, and therefore must be resisted at all costs, will you do it? Will you sacrifice the truth in order to win a political victory?
Rightwing news media coverage on this has been wall-to-wall nonstop how this is an evil fascist attempt by Democrats to create a dystopian Ministry of Truth because they hate free speech and they hate liberty. And I'm willing to bet a great number of you don't read anything but Reason and rightwing media. Do you think your immersion in the rightwing media bubble has colored your thinking on this matter? So many of you commented that the mainstream media's coverage of COVID was so overwhelmingly negative that it "brainwashed" a lot of people into thinking that COVID was more dangerous than it really was. Do you think a similar effect may be occurring here, with respect to this issue? That you have read article after article that is just mere variations on the theme of BIDEN CREATES MINISTRY OF TRUTH that this, too, has "brainwashed" your thinking on the matter? You may think that you are a special snowflake, but at the end of the day, you and I and everyone else are all susceptible to cognitive distortions and biases.
So the bottom line here is, how do you want to win? Do you want to win at any cost? Do you want to win by lying to people, scaring them, using rank demagoguery, dehumanizing the opposition, whatever it takes? Or do you want to win while at the same time keeping your soul intact?
For the record, if "victory" means turning either Democrats or Republicans into subhuman monsters of cartoon villains, then I want no part in it. There is no point in a "victory" that is obtained by defrauding and destroying the people whom it is intended to benefit. Put another way: if you have to lie in order to convince people to support your cause, how just is your cause really?
Two days to cover it.
Your leftist "news" sources have been the primary pushers of actual disinformation and beneficiaries of government and "muh private corporation" censorship of critique.
Now, with polling at +10R on generic ballots, the man with the most votes in history has an agency to SPECIFICALLY combat political disinformation before midterms.
Fuck you, we all know a naked and unconstitutional power grab when we see it. Biden is trying to cheat again.
Your leftist "news" sources have been the primary pushers of actual disinformation and beneficiaries of government and "muh private corporation" censorship of critique.
Sorry, I don't read Salon or Jacobin.
You've posted from both sources you lying fuck.
Most of the time with Lying Jeffy I have to take a full minute to cradle my head in my hands and despair before I can respond.
So have you!
Oh I might have cited a Salon or Jacobin article as a reference once or twice. I don't read them on a daily basis for my news or anything.
You on the other hand cite outright Hungarian state propaganda as an authoritative reference that hey, Orban's not so bad after all.
OK, but WaPo, NYT, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPT, etc are all very leftist media, further from the middle than even FOX in the opposite direction. And ALL are guilty of pushing the Russian hoax, mask/lockdown mandates, Obamacare, and dozens of other false stories or DNC propaganda. You are a lefty shill.
No, you just take it straight from the regime handlers, $0.50.
Seriously. Sincerely. With all my heart and love for this nation... Please jump out the tallest window you can find, you mendacious leftist shitweasel. If you are too much of a fat fuck to manage it on your own, you may alternately choke to death on a dick.
And there we go, you have no rational response so you resort to a Nardz-level temper tantrum telling people to go kill themselves.
There is no reasoning with a dedicated partisan lying shitweasel.
You are proven wrong daily, but just circle back and push the same shit in a different thread.
Fuck you, you deserve no respect.
If you want immediate reaction then go to Twitter, Fox News, or CNN.
Mr/s. individualist,
Your offer for employment should arrive soon by U.S. Post.
Please ensure you consider the compensation package as a whole, not just the salary. While sizable, it is supplemented by an outstanding health care plan and a sizable pension benefit.
We look forward to your response.
Have a pleasant day!
Could you please remind us who was subject to 0500 no knock raids and were dragged out of their houses while
jack boot thugspeaceful federal agents raided their homes for materials related to their legal affairs and their journalism stories and what president was that under?I don't know what specifically you are referring to, but that sure sounds like something that has happened multiple times in multiple different contexts over the span of many years.
If your argument is that law enforcement should not engage in no-knock raids, you won't get any argument from me.
This post is disinformation.
You are disinformation incarnate.
Funny, JesseAz is the one with accurate sources cited correctly, but the rambling leftist shitweasel accuses him of lying.
It's like Dems are consistently guilty of all the sins they accuse others of... Projection much?
LOL Jesse mostly cites rightwing garbage which either is a gross distortion of the facts, or outright lies about them.
My most recent favorite of a Jesse citation was when he tried to pass off literal state-run propaganda as an authoritative source, in order to try to "prove" that Orban isn't such a bad guy after all.
https://reason.com/2022/04/21/frances-authoritarian-establishment-faces-off-against-the-even-uglier-authoritarianism-of-the-far-right/?comments=true#comment-9457770
"...was when he tried to pass off literal state-run propaganda as an authoritative source..."
Like you do on the daily?
You yourself mentioned thst he’s posted links from salon and jacobin, so you know that’s not actually true.
It's like Dems are consistently guilty of all the sins they accuse others of.
And that's just the start...
And thus the point....with fingers pointing both ways, and logs in everybody's eyes, the GOVERNMENT (the fucking GOVERNMENT???) is no place to decide who's right.
Put another way: if you have to lie in order to convince people to support your cause, how just is your cause really?
Now do Obamacare, Global Warming, Russia hoax, masks are good for us, Hunter's laptop, BLM, Antifa, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and so many others.
Glad you are admitting that woke leftism is illegitimate and immoral.
TLDR.
As a non-partisan who distrusts both Republicans and Democrats. We were offered a very poor choice of presidential candidates (not that either of them could be considered presidential). Neither Trump or Biden should have ever been elected as president.
However post election of Biden and strictly judging on the actions of both Trump and Biden. My conclusion is that Biden was the worst of two very bad candidates. Part of the equation is that when Trump was in office he was put into a negative spotlight, opposed to the sycophantic press coverage that Biden receives.
I'm not a fan of either Biden or Trump running for president again. Both are way too old for office among the other extremely obvious flaws of both of them.
The next president should be someone that is their late forties to mid sixties. Younger people typically have not accumulated enough knowledge and older people are starting to lose a step.
The next president should not be an ideological bound to either the far left or far right and even better if they are an independent rather than a member of either the Republican or Democrat crime organizations.
We need more parties and a breakup of the Republican or Democrat crime organizations. More right and more left leaning parties. We basically have a single party state where the Republican and Democrat factions trade power back and forth. No issues are resolved because they need problems to continually solve.
This new board is one of the worst ideas in the history of ideas. The government has just set up a department to work contrary to the US Constitution it’s members ostensible swore to defend. The government has done a spectacularly bad job in defining what is truth and what is not - especially when it comes from the lips of politicians. Remember “I am not a crook?” What about “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.” “Obama care will reduce the cost of healthcare.” “Green energy will reduce energy costs.” “Two weeks to flatten the curve.” “The vaccines are 97% effective.” “This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” “Masks slow the spread.”
If the government can’t stop lying to us, I certainly don’t trust them to tell us when someone else is.
What about “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.” “Obama care will reduce the cost of healthcare.” “Green energy will reduce energy costs.” “Two weeks to flatten the curve.” “The vaccines are 97% effective.” “This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” “Masks slow the spread.”
Wait, I thought this board was to identify and stop lies like that.
"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Department of Homeland Security is stepping up an effort to counter disinformation coming from Russia as well as misleading information that human smugglers circulate to target migrants hoping to travel to the U.S.-Mexico border.
“The spread of disinformation can affect border security, Americans’ safety during disasters, and public trust in our democratic institutions,” the department said in a statement Wednesday. It declined The Associated Press’ request for an interview.
A newly formed Disinformation Governance Board announced Wednesday will immediately begin focusing on misinformation aimed at migrants, a problem that has helped to fuel sudden surges at the U.S. southern border in recent years. Human smugglers often spread misinformation around border policies to drum up business...."
Wow, that really sounds scary.
Meanwhile the article, while accurately pointing out the problems with Hunter laptop story, which are ongoing - see recent WaPo article on the doubts of the shop owner as well as evidence of tampering identified by experts - fails to note that reluctance to cover the story was also based on responsible journalists hesitancy to promote "October Surprises" planted by political operatives prior to an election.
Prior to this, in 2016, Fusion GPS invited all major news sources to view the Steele Dossier and meet Steele in their NY offices in September of 2016. Most did, but none of them published anything about it until 2017. The obvious conclusion is there was no media bias in that decision, nor was providing the same pre-election protection they provided Trump in 2016, partisan bias when they provided the same for Biden in 2020.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier
Yes. A fake campaign generated dossier full of lies and no actual facts is exactly the same as a laptop full of actual emails, letters, pictures, etc.
What a fucking idiot.
The dossier was also used to start FISA warrants to spy on a campaign
Jesse:
"When the New York Post first reported in October 2020 that it had obtained the contents of a laptop computer allegedly owned by Joe Biden’s son Hunter, there was an immediate roadblock faced by any other news outlet that hoped to corroborate the reporting, as many did: The newspaper wasn’t sharing what it obtained.
The national story quickly centered on the dubious provenance of the material, particularly given how, four years before, WikiLeaks had begun releasing material stolen by Russian hackers at about the same point in the presidential contest. But for news outlets interested in actually evaluating what the New York Post claimed it had, neither the paper nor its source for the material, President Donald Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani, were willing to share. (Giuliani famously told the New York Times that he was hoping to avoid having the material vetted before being published.) It therefore seemed wise to treat the New York Post’s claims with some skepticism.
Now, a new voice has joined those raising questions about the validity of the material that’s alleged to have been on Hunter Biden’s laptop: the guy who recovered that data in the first place....
Last month, The Washington Post was able to publish a report based on a copy of material that we obtained from a Republican activist named Jack Maxey who’d gotten it from Giuliani. We had multiple experts examine the contents of a hard drive that purported to contain the laptop’s contents, validating tens of thousands of emails as likely to be legitimate. But an enormous amount of the material on the drive couldn’t be validated as legitimate, in part because of the game of telephone that the material had undergone by the time it reached us. (The report notes that efforts to obtain the material in 2020 were rebuffed.)
“The experts found the data had been repeatedly accessed and copied by people other than Hunter Biden over nearly three years,” our report explained, with those we spoke with being unable to “reach definitive conclusions about the contents as a whole, including whether all of it originated from a single computer or could have been assembled from files from multiple computers and put on the portable drive.”
For example:
“[An expert] also found records on the drive that indicated someone may have accessed the drive from a West Coast location in October 2020, little more than a week after the first New York Post stories on Hunter Biden’s laptop appeared.”
“Over the next few days, somebody created three additional folders on the drive, titled, ‘Mail,' ‘Salacious Pics Package’ and ‘Big Guy File’ — an apparent reference to Joe Biden.”...
..What Mac Isaac (computer repair store owner) said next, though, is what was most noteworthy. When he did his “deep dive,” he said, he “saw a lot of photos” — but “did not see a lot of photos that are being reported to [have been] seen.”
“I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop,” he said. “And that is a major concern of mine because I have fought tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this drive and to jeopardize that is going to mean that everything that I sacrificed will be for nothing.”..."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/
Do you honestly think that if a liberal news network found Donald Trump Jr.'s laptop with something embarrassing on it and behaved the same way as the NY Post the story would have gotten banned from twitter?
justabill, I already provided you with factual evidence of similar hesitancy regarding dubious information presented just before an election which protected Trump. As per the article I posted above, the laptop was not established as legitimate in 2020 - the NY Post and Guliani refused to allow inspection of the "evidence" at that time - and still has questions surrounding it, with the repairman who found it describing emails and photos he considered added material. The WaPo had computer experts review the evidence that also showed added content.
I might also note - since Jesse brought up FISA warrants - that 2 weeks before the 2016 election, Comey announced that Hillary was still under FBI investigation, but did not mention that so was Trump.
In short, both the MSM and the "Deep State" were more than fair to Trump in 2016, while the latter clearly screwed Hillary through that Comey announcement.
Tell me why I'm wrong.
Simple:
What you claim as 'factual' it so much bullshit.
I'm not sure I see where social media banned any stories which made Trump look bad.
"...In short, both the MSM and the "Deep State" were more than fair to Trump in 2016, while the latter clearly screwed Hillary through that Comey announcement.
Tell me why I'm wrong."
Well, I was considering engaging the asshole known aa Joe to tell the asshole why the asshole was wrong and then I read the last sentence and saw that the asshole known as Joe had already shown why the asshole known as Joe was wrong.
Fuck off and die, Joe Asshole.
They didn’t.
Instead they ran every story they could find or fabricate.
In short, Joe is a slimy piece of shit whose best to ignore.
designate you idiot. I just showed you that "they" withheld reporting on the Steele Dossier ahead of the election and not until the story was broken in Jan 2017. WTF is wrong with you?
Joe Asshole just lied again!
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of shit.
Michael Isikoff published his article using the bullshit dossier in September of 2016. You know, the article that the FBI used as evidence of the dossiers veracity to justify their FISA warrants in a round robin of utter horseshit.
Goddamn, you’re not even a good troll you lying sack of monkey shit.
Designate, Michael Isakoff published on Tahoo News and David Corn wrote a Mother Jones story before the election. neither one of those is widely read or part of what is commonly referred to as the MSM. The MSM, as your statement underlines DID NOT PUBLISH ANYTHING ABOUT THE STEELE DOSSIER BEFORE THE ELECTION, though they all knew about it. Thanks for the backhanded confirmation of that fact.
Yahoo, not Tahoo
"In short, Joe is a slimy piece of shit whose best to ignore."
Or do not engage Joe Asshole and reply with insults. Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie.
If something in one of Joe Assholes post is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does
You'll notice that turd is no longer a regular, having been reminded every time he shows up that he's a psychopathic liar and everybody knows it
Justabill, unlike the NY Post which ran with the Hunter laptop while denying access to the evidence, the major news sources did not publish anything about the Steele Dossier so how do you imagine it would have been an issue on Twitter.
Think about it dude. The thin reed you are grasping in your foolish attempt to hold onto bias claims makes no sense.
Joe Asshole needs to fuck off and die.
You are a liar. Worse, you believe your own lies.
In the exact same time frame, someone stole copies of Trump's tax returns and they were widely published without a single corroboration other than the say-so of the thief.
Remember, the press and social media said "we don't use hacked material" to excuse not looking at the Biden laptop.... which was nothing hacked and was legally obtained. At the exact time they were publishing tax documents that were illegally obtained, were illegal to have and could only have been obtained by hacking or by someone breaking the law.
Bonus... they had zero corroboration of the tax documents.
They had plenty of corroboration for the laptop... people on the emails confirmed their veracity. His own business partner confirmed the scheme. Photographs were available to do forensics...
There is no plausible way to believe the press story that they were being scrupulous. It is utterly silly to pretend otherwise.
Cyto, I don't assume you have the intelligence to formulate a lie, so I'll chalk up your lame attempt to hold onto the group fantazy so popular here as just desperate ignorance.
The press printed on it's front pages DNC emails stolen by Russians and disseminated by their stooge Assange (see GOP led Senate Intel Report for confirmation of these facts). So, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to see partisan intent in publishing the few remnants of Trump's tax returns, information every presidential candidate since Reagan has volunteered.
Joe Asshole needs to fuck off and die.
What do you expect Joe Friday creamed his pants when he heard the news. He's well aware this is a blatant partisan creation meant to silence the right by labeling it disinformation, and he is happy about it. Because he's a puerile useful idiot.
Not seeing signs of that high IQ you've been bragging about soldier. Avoiding content discussion and then throwing insults - not even good ones - is a sure sign of a low spark and no command of the issues. You squeal like a little girl who saw a mouse when whatever MAGA news sources you use tell you to, but you suck at mind reading too.
By the way, here's what soldier is losing his shit over:
""WASHINGTON (AP) — The Department of Homeland Security is stepping up an effort to counter disinformation coming from Russia as well as misleading information that human smugglers circulate to target migrants hoping to travel to the U.S.-Mexico border.
“The spread of disinformation can affect border security, Americans’ safety during disasters, and public trust in our democratic institutions,” the department said in a statement Wednesday. It declined The Associated Press’ request for an interview.
A newly formed Disinformation Governance Board announced Wednesday will immediately begin focusing on misinformation aimed at migrants, a problem that has helped to fuel sudden surges at the U.S. southern border in recent years. Human smugglers often spread misinformation around border policies to drum up business...."
Scarrrrrry stufffff!
Boo!
Stupid comment from Joe Asshole.
Boo!
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
Lol. So this disinformation board is primarily tasked with getting Central American would be migrants to ignore the smugglers and consider staying home?
Jesus fucking Christ, joe. Seeing a lot of evidence about your IQ here.
EISTAU, hard for you to follow apparently, but that information is a quote from the Associated Press, and I am not the Associated Press.
"...Seeing a lot of evidence about your IQ here."
Gonna need some very sensitive instruments to find it.
Please do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Assholes post is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar and everybody knows it; you might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
You're not very bright are you.
Winnie, unlike soldier I have not talked endlessly - not at all in fact - about my IQ and the facts I have posted here which none of your fellow cretins are able to counter, do not take a high IQ to understand or relate. More the pity for this group.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Assholes post is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar and everybody knows it; you might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Joe gives shriek a run for his money in the dumbest motherfucker to post here.
Funny how it only runs one direction. And it's the Democrats.
Is it still disinformation to report scientific studies from other nations showing contrary results to the promoted narrative?
Like, say, mentioning Israel has put the vaccinated myocarditis rate for teenage boys at 1:3000, and how that is a pretty strong indicator NOT to use the experimental gene therapies on kids?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z
Pretty simple. If it's not approved by Biden and or Fauci it's misinformation. If you're not OK with that then you are anti-truth and anti-science and anti-democracy.
Crowder got banned from YouTube for directly quoting the CDC website mortality rates for flu and covid. They called it.... misinformation.
They also got banned for checking voter addresses. They sent people to physical addresses that were listed on voter lists as having been the location of vote by mail. Finding overpasses, empty lots or intersections without housing. The claim was that it was unverified. They literally showed the staffer at a location asking locals if there was a residence here, they showed the official election documents and they spoke to the elections supervisors directly.
Misinformation. Banned.
This is what you have ahead of you.
This will not stand. One way or another, this boars cannot be allowed to survive.
If that don't beat all... A Reason article trying to convince someone that the Dee Haitch Schutzstaffel is paid to think!
Should have named it the knowledge governance board.
Oh, wait. KGB was already taken.
It is a cold, bright day in April and the clocks are striking thirteen.
Biden is making America a totalitarian country. This is past authoritarian, which Reason complained Trump was constantly.
When will Reason admit they were wrong to back Biden, that Biden is a disaster, and apologize to their readers for endorsing Biden?
Listen, it really is simple. Trump called CNN fake news because they were colluding with the DNC to lie about his campaign working with Russia and to gin up impeachment proceedings. This is obviously worse than Hitler and a complete assault on a free press.
Burying stories about official corruption by a Democrat is not literally Hitler.
See? It really isn't that complicated.
When a democrat takes millions in bribes, this is "unsubstantiated rumor" that is not worthy of reporting. When Trump asks about those bribes, it is the act of a totalitarian dictator.
I don't know what is so hard to understand.
Oh the sociopath brain doesn't work that way.
There is more to this ministry of Truth. Prominent democrats are pushing Biden to use executive powers to "protect voters."
What does this mean?
It means using the DOJ to ensure that states cannot require chain of custody on absentee ballots. It means preventing states from ensuring that only eligible voters can vote. It means stopping states from enforcing laws against vote harvesting and filling out ballots on behalf of vulnerable voters like nursing home residents who may not even know that a ballot is being cast.
This is clearly the kind of thing one would do to ensure fair elections. The first thing is obviously to allow anyone to vote, regardless of eligibility. And it is obvious that the only way to have fair elections is to allow votes to be cast and collected by partisans outside the eyes of any supervision. And there is no way to have fair elections unless ballots can be delivered for several days after election day.
This is why it is so important that DNC billionaires are spending so heavily to elect and appoint election supervisors in key swing states and districts.
"New DHS Board Seeks To Counter What It Thinks Is Disinformation"
Why do we keep pretending like this?
Why would you take claims of disinformation seriously for even a moment? Why are we pretending that these are sincere efforts to battle "misinformation"?
No serious person could possibly believe this. Even before Elon Musk ripped all pretense away from the democrats and their media lapdog, it was painfully obvious where the left lies. They have been openly calling for an end to the 1st amendment since Obama got elected.
How painful is your former association with the left, that you mouth such words? Is it really cognitive dissonance that drives this nonsense?
Black Hitler has a lot to answer for--but he certainly was right about Biden's ability to "f things up."
Fuck the DHS
Fuck Myorkrat
Piss on Janckoffowitz
FJB
Fuck the TSA
Fuck the FBI
Do I need to make it any plainer than that?
How about this: I WILL NOT OBEY!!
"I shudder to think about if free speech absolutists were taking over more platforms, what that would look like for the marginalized communities all around the world…
Indeed "marginalized communities" have been tremendous beneficiaries of the net, but by being "free speech absolutists" who can communicate and support each other by breaking the local laws and taboos. Think of a gay kid in Russia, a Christian in Pakistan, and maybe someday a libertarian in the PRC. Their local bosses would certainly claim that the posts of each of these are not just illegal but untrue, and so should be purged. Your feelings or politics are no reason for me to hold my tongue.
So, yes, I'm a free speech absolutist. Put my name at the top of your list Ms Jankowicz.
This authority would only be legal if DHS stayed 100% within rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court - not following the president or DHS Director.
The First Amendment is a legal” restraint” on the authority of Congress to pass any law infringing on free speech.
Executive Branch agencies - like DHS - must follow the laws of Congress within the “constitutional-out-of-bounds” lines drawn by the U.S. Supreme Court.
In real practice: DHS will never be able to do this legally. DHS is assuming the constitutional authority of a co-equal branch of government (Judicial Branch).
New DHS Board Seeks To Counter The Truth.
You can't really blame them considering the train wreck that is the Biden Administration. Still that does not make it right, or constitutional.