Airplane Mask Mandate May Not Be Gone for Good
Plus: Conspiracy theories are undergoing a vibe shift, Florida won't stop attacking private companies, and more...

Two days ago, a U.S. district judge struck down the federal mask mandate for airplanes and other mass transit and the Transportation Security Administration has since stopped enforcing the mandate. But the Biden administration may not let go of its precious pandemic security theater that easily.
"The Department of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) disagree with the district court's decision and will appeal, subject to CDC's conclusion that the order remains necessary for public health," Justice Department spokesman Anthony Coley said yesterday.
"The Department continues to believe that the order requiring masking in the transportation corridor is a valid exercise of the authority Congress has given CDC to protect the public health," Coley continued.
The CDC has claimed all along that it has the authority to impose a mask mandate on all airplanes, subway systems, trains, and buses because of the Public Health Service Act of 1944. It contended that disease prevention was a form of sanitation.
District Court Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle ruled that the CDC lacked such authority. The transportation mask mandate constitutes not sanitation but "an exercise of the CDC's power to conditionally release individuals to travel despite concerns that they may spread a communicable disease (and to detain or partially quarantine those who refuse)," she opined. And this power "is ordinarily limited to individuals entering the United States from a foreign country."
The transportation mask mandate was set to expire this week. But on April 13, it was extended until May 3 as the CDC assessed whether it was still necessary. "If CDC concludes that a mandatory order remains necessary for the public's health after that assessment, the Department of Justice will appeal the district court's decision," said Coley.
President Joe Biden told reporters yesterday that, for now, whether people should wear masks on airplanes is "up to them."
Washington Post writer Megan McArdle suggests that it's "telling" that that administration "did not immediately commit to filing an emergency appeal":
I suspect some in the Biden administration have come to the same conclusion that much of the country has reached: It is time for indoor mask mandates to end. They had to end sometime, after all, and if not now, when?
Except as we've all learned in the decades after 9/11, airplane security measures put in place "temporarily" can actually stretch on indefinitely.
Mask mandates on airplanes and avenues of mass transportation were also billed as temporary measures. McArdle suggests that failing to let them go now could further undermine the credibility of public health authorities:
As we have discovered, public health measures have to bear some relationship to what the public thinks is reasonable. Otherwise, no matter how sound their logic or scientific basis, they will fail because people will not comply. A nation resentfully wearing masks pulled down under its noses isn't doing anyone much good.
Mask mandates and the like were sold as temporary measures. Remember "flatten the curve"? Every time public health experts promised a short-term solution that turned into a long-term lifestyle change, their credibility took a hit. It cannot afford many more.
But public health powers may see it differently, believing that their credibility depends on shows of force and no one being allowed to question them.
"White House official tells me they expect CDC to agree on need for appeal," reports The Washington Post's Dan Diamond, citing some interesting (and infuriating) reasoning. "Officials are worried about the long-term risk of CDC's authority being undermined."
If that's true, it means officials are setting "public health rules" not based on actually protecting public health but on saving face and preserving power.
FREE MINDS
Conspiracy theories are undergoing a vibe shift. "We used to think of conspiracy theorizing as the province of the X-Files lone weirdo doing a string map on the wall," notes Bonnie Kristian at The Week. This old style of conspiracy mongering revolved around people acting like detectives.
But things have changed. Now, "there is no punctilious demand for proofs, no exhaustive amassing of evidence, no dots revealed to form a pattern, no close examination of the operators plotting in the shadows," write Nancy L. Rosenblum and Russell Muirhead in A Lot of People Are Saying: The New Conspiracism and the Assault on Democracy. "The new conspiracism dispenses with the burden of explanation. Instead, we have innuendo and verbal gesture … conspiracy without the theory."
Kristian suggests that community has replaced sleuthing—"conspiracism now is a group project"—and that this is embodied by the controversial conservative TikTok account Libs of TikTok.
FREE MARKETS
Florida won't stop attacking private companies. On Tuesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, asked the state legislature to revoke Disney's decadeslong self-governing status and also threatened Twitter's board of directors. It's the latest in DeSantis' war on free enterprise and free speech. "Culture war conservatism leads to less private industry freedom for the pettiest of reasons," Scott Shackford lamented yesterday.
Florida's authoritarian socialist attacks on the private sector are driving businesses away. In CO, we don't meddle in affairs of companies like @Disney or @Twitter. Hey @Disney we're ready for Mountain Disneyland and @twitter we're ready for Twitter HQ2, whoever your owners are https://t.co/r7Vcvu20eb
— Jared Polis (@jaredpolis) April 19, 2022
DeSantis is mad at Disney for opposing a recently passed Florida bill concerning school curriculum. He's mad at the Twitter board for moving to prevent acquisition by Elon Musk.
"We're gonna be looking at ways the state of Florida potentially can be holding these Twitter board of directors accountable for breaching their fiduciary duty," said DeSantis.
"There are three major legal obstacles" to DeSantis suing Twitter, noted UCLA law professor Steve Bainbridge. For one, Florida's State Retirement Fund owns stock in Twitter, "which is a fiduciary of the fund's beneficiaries. The administrators can't undertake a suit not in their interest." More below:
3/ In the extremely unlikely event that @GovRonDeSantis somehow got the Florida retirement fund to sue #Twitter and they somehow got past the demand requirement of derivative litigation, they would run smack into the business judgment rule. And then they would lose.
— Steve Bainbridge (@PrawfBainbridge) April 19, 2022
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• A British judge says Wikileaks founder Julian Assange can be extradited to the U.S. to face spying charges. "The case will now go to Britain's interior minister for a decision, though the WikiLeaks founder still has legal avenues of appeal," reports the Associated Press.
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• Texas prosecutor Ralph Petty had a secret side hustle working "as a law clerk for the same judges he was trying to convince to side with him by day," reports Reason's Billy Binion.
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But the Biden administration may not let go of its precious pandemic security theater that easily.
We need to stave off the Spring of Death.
And, of course, usher in the Red Wave in November, apparently.
This is going to turn into an 'own goal' for Brandon.
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The Democrats will never surrender in their war against the American people.
^EXACTLY....
Better said as, "But the Biden administration and Democrats may not let go of its precious Nazi(National Socialist)-Regime that easily."
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The Summer of Dying is inevitable, the mask cult must have fresh victims.
(duplicate of my earlier comment on the Sullum piece)
Among our modern fragile people are many who will never get over any number of existential crises. Trump broke a lot of people who will never again be able to think rationally about politics. And COVID broke as many people who will never be able to think rationally about health risks and public spaces. Some of these people will wear masks and perform other talismanic behaviors until they die, and loudly wish that everyone else do the same. Not out of partisanship or a need for signaling, but driven by deep personal psychosis.
.. but driven by deep personal psychosis.
Paging Joe Friday, paging tony.
Some of these people will wear masks and perform other talismanic behaviors until they die, and loudly wish that everyone else do the same
I just realized that children today will talk about wearing masks when they're old the same way old people talked about wearing onions on their belts to ward off polio when they were children.
The onions did ward off quite a few cases...
Sadly, they will talk about wearing masks and covid the way Jews who fled Germany before the Holocaust talk of the loss of their family, the fear of dying. And the mask cult will be coddled into believing it is somehow the same.
covid is their religion and all must abide. So much for separation of church and state
It’s not a religion if you don’t call it that.
Yes there are those with TDS. My old boss, for example, came in crying the day he was elected.
Even so, quite objectively, Trump is a grifter and an reprehensible human being, who was never competent or focused enough to be President. And then topped it all off by attempting unconstitutional to overthrow the legitimate results of the Presidential election, in addition to engaging in massive lying and nurturing of division within our country.
Which in no way is in no way am endorsement on my part of Democrats.
None of that was true, but look at you pretend that you're not a DNC mouthpiece.
Shorter Dee: Yes TDS exists, and I will show you what it looks like.
You dont recognize your own TDS because someone had it worse. It does not mean you don't suffer. Not all depression ends in suicide, but that doesn't mean you don't suffer from it if you don't attempt.
Nice self own.
You idiot. You're whole second paragraph fits Biden to a tee.
Best President since Reagan, so there's that
Even so, quite objectively, Trump is a grifter and an reprehensible human being, who was never competent or focused enough to be President.
I don't really disagree with this part. But what we have now fits the description pretty well too.
If that's true, it means officials are setting "public health rules" not based on actually protecting public health but on saving face and preserving power.
Yup.
Respect mah authoritah!
Hilariously, the South Park pajama day episode was based on "just admit you're wrong and move on". Which, of course, the principal would not do for fear of looking weak.
If you're like cartman, or pc principal, you're on the wrong side.
And this power "is ordinarily limited to individuals entering the United States from a foreign country."
MAGADumbfuckistan into Portland is like coming from another country!
It's time to rethink prison strip searches.
Just say they are a mandatory sanitary measure.
For now, whether people should do strip searches in prisons is "up to them."
Maybe its something that struggling Netflix should consider producing.
Caged Heat 2: Strip Search Boogaloo
^ Ha! Tough to top Caged Heat though.
CDC can just make it a rule
You beat me to it...
And start demanding prison strip teases.
Performative.
I suspect some in the Biden administration have come to the same conclusion that much of the country has reached: It is time for indoor mask mandates to end.
Notice Megan didn't opine whether the president feels that way. She assumes that's irrelevant?
SleepyJoe is very irrelevant.
What does the Easter Bunny think?
That the President shouldn't be talking about that without proper teleprompting.
Never put all of your eggs in one basket?
Well, he would have to exist first.
Meet my Vice President, Harvey - Sleepy Joe
Now that was funny! 🙂
He says what he's told to say.
And sometimes what he's told not to say.
President Joe Biden told reporters yesterday that, for now, whether people should wear masks on airplanes is "up to them."
"It's a free country!"
"...write Nancy L. Rosenblum and Russell Muirhead in A Lot of People Are Saying: The New Conspiracism and the Assault on Democracy."
PEOPLE ARE A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!
Kind of a disappointing stance from someone that did some good reporting for Reason in 2020.
You're not thinking of Nancy Rommelman, are you? Nancy Rosenblum is a political science professor at Harvard.
Ugh. Yeah my mistake.
By chance, do you also watch The Andy Griffin Show? 😉
You see, this is why we need to Fortify Our Democracy against the voters.
Note how anything that could be considered a threat or a subversion of the left-liberal consensus is gaslit as a "conspiracy" these days, even when the leftists in question openly admit to doing what they're being accused of.
The Libs of TikTok account and owner being targeted is instructive in this instance, but not the way the authors think it is. Simply showing the Cluster B crowd's own words and administrative policies to show non-leftists what these people actually think drove the Washington Post to run a hit piece on it.
Never forget that these people are your enemies.
The whole thing culminates with Libs of TikTok reposting insane progressives being insane- that is your conspiracy theory
This is the most incoherent doublespeak I have seen from "Self professed libertarians attempting to defend their liberal friends" in a *long* while.
"Kristian suggests that community has replaced sleuthing—"conspiracism now is a group project"—and that this is embodied by the controversial conservative TikTok account Libs of TikTok."
Get that? No longer do we have an individual "sleuthing", and looking for evidence. And instead the "Community" has gathered to decide what the conspiracy should be, without need for evidence. And what is the proof? A single individual who has sleuthed around to find actual video evidence and testimony of liberals confessing to the conspiracy.
How can people say this shit with a straight face?
'They' seem to be pretty excited about community sleuthing tracking down the evil J6 'insurrectionsts.' But, that is pretty close to doxxing, which is the left-leaning/progressive folks' favorite thing, it seems.
Yes, it's been established that democracy is literally hanging by a thread. The only way to save it is to limit voters' access to information, and to ban certain popular candidates from running for office.
A nation resentfully wearing masks pulled down under its noses isn't doing anyone much good.
It's continuing to stick it to Trump, who refused the masking, an event we all know to be the root of the subsequent veneration of The Mask.
I know it's been a long time, but the veneration of The Mask long precedes Trump. It's hard to remember now, but Jim Carrey was just so big during that time.
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I thought that was The Musk when he went on Rogan.
"Florida won't stop attacking private companies." Who are acting as de facto governments.
Well, at least they don't drag social media CEOs to bi-monthly Congressional hearings for ritual excoriation.
That’s ok because it’s a wonderful example of the free market!
— Reason
Common sense that if your company gets involved in a political issue not core to your business, then you are now a political actor and will get treated as such. Disney took sides in something that has little to do with Disney corporate business, stepping outside their lane, so they lose the sort of neutral arrangements they had.
Meh, this to me is an over-reach. People have a right to protest their government. And that includes people acting as part of a company (as we have seen in Citizens United v). When the government turns around and says, "Don't like my stance on X? Well, then I am going to take away Y", it is never a good thing.
I disagree with Disney's stance here. But I also don't want the normalization of the idea that the Government- who has insinuated itself in all parts of our lives- ought to punish objectionable speech by withholding privileges that they don't like.
Again, I disagree with Disney's position here. But I have seen the Government do this shit more than once- suddenly a person or company is being audited because of making a mayor or governor look stupid. This is not behavior that conservatives or libertarians want normalized.
Good point.
But removing corporate handouts isn't the same as investigating or prosecuting.
This is being mischaracterized as a handout. There are over 100 of these arrangements around the state of Florida. I don't call it a "handout" for the Government to say, "As long as you can prove that you provide these services effectively, you can do them instead of us." It is a transaction...I get flexibility, but in return I also have liability and the associated expenses.
And the fact remains that this arrangement is not unique to Disney, but now suddenly it is an arrangement that is being questioned primarily for them right after making politically controversial statements.
And it really isn't much different than municipal services being offered by a Township. Disney is the local government (and, unless I'm mistaken, only 'resident').
Two sides voluntarily entering into a shit-flinging contest. With predictable results.
So, when the federal and most all other state governments were destroying businesses with mask mandates, vaccination mandates, spacing requirements, limited operating system hours, driving people out of business with rules that didnt stop the spread of covid AT ALL -- what were they doing?
Massaging private businesses? Providing happy endings?
That doesn't count I guess, 'cuase covid is scary or something.
Funny how tax and regulation carve-outs for one particular Private Company aren't an attack on competing Private Companies.
To be clear, the Florida legislature revoking those anti-free market carve-outs should be considered an unqualified boon to libertarians. It's telling that this isn't the Reason message.
Pedo grooming uber alles.
I think there can be bad motives that can be concerning for doing reasonable things.
Though, I do wish the result was to give more places in Florida similar deals, sort of lower regulation overall, rather than take it away specifically from Disney.
This is an issue I feel really conflicted on though. I think I can't really fully qualify my thoughts on it quite yet.
I think there can be bad motives that can be concerning for doing reasonable things.
Sure, but that's not Reason's stance. Reason isn't saying that DeSantis and Florida Republicans bumbled into a good result despite bad motives, Reason is characterizing this as DeSantis' war on free enterprise and free speech.
To Reason, undoing an illiberal law that favored one particular business over all of its competitors is a war on free enterprise.
Though, I do wish the result was to give more places in Florida similar deals, sort of lower regulation overall, rather than take it away specifically from Disney.
As you alluded to, if more business could use some of those sweetheart carve-outs, then that points to bad regulation that needs to be repealed, not more carve-outs to that regulation.
I'm in general agreement. I don't think giving this right to others is necessarily helpful. A local business doesn't want to provide for all of its own infrastructure and governance (fire, police, etc). It is the sort of partnership you make with huge businesses occupying a massive amount of land. I honestly have no problem with a system where a private entity is responsible for the protection and security of its area. It seems like a great libertarian system, but I understand how it wouldn't make sense for smaller players (unless they formed community private solutions, I suppose...)
Whether it is right or wrong, trying to cancel this relationship now is a form of retaliation for political speech. It is political speech I disagree with, but it is retaliation just the same. This logic can be extended to auditing Joe the Plumber, or denying tariff exemptions based on whether or not you are disagreeing with a political point, or sending the FBI to talk to you about conversations with foreign agents in the past.
Technically, we are all benefactors of government largess that ought not exist in a more libertarian world. We also all break rules, regulations and even laws- sometimes without even knowing it. A government that picks and chooses which privileges to withhold and which laws to enforce merely by your political speech is dangerous and should not be countenanced.
I agree with much of what DeSantis is doing, but this is going too far. Win against Disney by pointing out how wrong they are. Don't win by threatening them into silence.
Selective liberties can be more destructive than general liberties. It is also the reason I am against 230 protections from a basic standpoint. If the protections for 230 are so grand, apply them to all industries, not to one specific one.
I don't think giving this right to others is necessarily helpful.
Wouldn't the free market solution be to let the business decide if it's helpful or not? It's not like Disney is the only business with large land holdings in Florida.
In any case, it's absolutely ridiculous to call this move a war on free enterprise. This is literally the opposite.
This logic can be extended to auditing Joe the Plumber, or denying tariff exemptions based on whether or not you are disagreeing with a political point, or sending the FBI to talk to you about conversations with foreign agents in the past
I can understand being upset by using economics as a culture war weapon, but that rubicon was crossed years ago. If you drill down far enough, Disney employed its vast economic might to sway the Florida legislature towards passing that sweetheart law. More recently, Disney has announced it would again use its vast economic might to fight against Florida's voters. In the same way that Florida has dangled this sweetheart law over Disney's head, Disney has been dangling the future of Disney World and the millions of tourists it draws over Florida's head. Disney has been playing the culture war game long before today, it's just that this time they got singed. And singed in a way that cuts down on market meddling by the government.
"I can understand being upset by using economics as a culture war weapon, but that rubicon was crossed years ago. "
Which is why we should call liberals fucking hypocrites for complaining about it now. That doesn't make it right. In 5 years, if the liberals have control, nobody will blink twice if they decide to do the same thing.
In five years, if leftists move from extrajudicially sending armies of bureaucrats, tax collectors, and swat teams to ruin individuals and businesses insufficiently supportive of their cause to repealing anti-free market corporate carve-outs out of spite, I'll be the first to praise them for repealing corporate carve-outs.
Jared Polis is laughingly trying to convince Disney to relocate Disney World to Colorado. Besides making the Front Range even more of an overscaled, high-traffic shithole than it already is, good luck keeping that place open during the state's infamous spring snowstorms.
"Florida’s authoritarian socialist attacks on the private sector are driving businesses away. In CO, we don’t meddle in affairs of companies like @Disney or @Twitter." - Jared Polis
No Colorado confines it authoritarian attacks to bakers and florists that don't cater to self-made Eunuchs.
Not to mention schools with mascots who aren't just using Native American imagery, but "culturally approrpriating" those of the myths of certain tribes, like Thunderbirds.
I don't recall Reason being that upset when other states shut down most of the businesses in their states to combat the coof. I'm glad they are still trying to help OBL and Chuck Koch get rich.
Sullum, Soave and others have regularly put out articles saying that the shut downs need to stop and questioning whether it was worth the cost.
https://reason.com/2020/04/01/will-covid-19-kill-the-constitution/
I will note that most of the time, their articles were about cost-vs-benefit analyses, rather than how morally wrong it was to do these things. But they have been pretty down on them all along.
Articles saying they need to stop while quietly toeing the line of not upsetting the left isn't the kind of discourse that's of any value. They should have been screaming from the rafters that the whole country was being robbed of civil liberties, there wasn't any of that from my recollection. They would spend half the article letting us know how dangerous covid is, and how effective the vaccines were, but maybe mandates were bad.
Maybe, sometime in the future, the word 'attack' will not be used when it is not appropriate. Would ENB call disney's stance on what they dishonestly call the 'don't say gay' law an attack? I am guessing no. DeSantis is being a dick, but disney brought this on themselves by directly aligning themselves against him him in politics, and misrepresenting the truth. Disney inserting their immense influence into Florida politics brought this about, they are not the victim.
“Would ENB call disney's stance on what they dishonestly call the 'don't say gay' law an attack? I am guessing no.”
Considering that’s what every article in Reason has also dishonestly called it, definitely not.
The new conspiracism dispenses with the burden of explanation.
The institutions that once investigated such happenings are now quite overtly covering for favored policies, figures and corporate interests. This is the consequence of the loss of trust, of the blatant gaslighting over the past six years. Wallow in the filth you've made.
I love when Fist goes off script.
It's totally on-script. This is a minor variation of what he says every time Philadelphia is brought up.
Filthadepthsia, you mean.
they seem to think conspiracies are new and were ever based on anything.
They've been around forever, and are usually based on something.
I like CRT
It seems that these folks only have eyes for right wing things that they want to label "conspiracy theories". Meanwhile, wokeism is complete, unabashed conspiracy theory yet rates no mention - racism is driving everything we think and do, 1619 project, CRT, math is racist, investigating mansion purchases by BLM is a racist plot, KJB confirmation hearing was racist, etc., etc., etc. Where are the explanations for how all of these things are any more than conspiracy theories?
A nation resentfully wearing masks pulled down under its noses isn't doing anyone much good.
It's helping the mask manufacturers and deliverers. Think of the JOBS!
Re Polis' tweet: probably the first time that anyone has called DeSantis a socialist (outside the octogenarian group at the local John Birch Society chapter).
Maybe unlike DeSantis, the Governor of Colorado actually wants Disney to make the curriculum materials for "A Kindergartener's Guide to Sodomy". It would save the effort of doing it himself.
I'm willing to hear the arguments for teaching kids Sodomy. Gomorrahy is where I draw the line.
Gomorrahy. Is that where it burns when you pee?
Did you see his follow-up response about Masterpiece Cakeshop? He actually argued that "rule of law" is what drove the state's persecution of the shop.
Well, shit, if it was "the rule of law," why wasn't the shop owner actually prosecuted for breaking the law? Oh, that's right--the "laws" are really just arbitrary decisions reached by a state commission packed with political activist appointees, who just happen to vote the same way as the governor, using a mentally ill troon to employ lawfare to drive him out of business.
law,tyrant's will, rights of individuals... there's a quote there somewhere, by someone who was canceled
DO YOU WANT TO BE NEXT!?
And there was blood in there too. Lots of it, as I recall.
DeSantis is a Socialist, and a free and open discussion of ideas on the internet is the dream of dictators and authoritarians worldwide.
Florida won't stop attacking private companies.
DeSantis should have used the phrase "pay their fair share" when talking about Disney. Maybe he could effectively kill that banner of the left.
"Conspiracy theories are undergoing a vibe shift."
Indeed. Probably the most insane conspiracy theory I've ever heard goes something like this: The American political and media establishment was surprised and humiliated by the result of the 2016 election. So in a desperate attempt to rehabilitate its preferred candidate, it decided to spend the next few years concocting reasons why the election was illegitimate.
But we in #TheResistance know that's not what happened. In fact, the 2016 election was illegitimate. Because Russia hacked it. In order to install a 30 year Russian intel asset as President of the United States.
#LibertariansAgainstConspiracyTheories
My conspiracy theory protects you, your conspiracy theory protects me.
LOL
"There are three major legal obstacles" to DeSantis suing Twitter, noted UCLA law professor Steve Bainbridge. For one, Florida's State Retirement Fund owns stock in Twitter, "which is a fiduciary of the fund's beneficiaries. The administrators can't undertake a suit not in their interest."
Is this what modern fascism smells like?
Free speech advocate "threatens" to buy Twitter, stock price rises; Saudi prince, Twitter BOD and anti-free speech journalists resist and stock price drops. Where exactly does the fiduciary duty lie?
That doesn't sound like a legal obstacle.
The Florida State Retirement Fund wouldn't be bringing the suit. The trustees of the fund could voice their objection to doing so.
Yeah, this was my first thought as well. I'm doubting UCLA law professor Steve Bainbridge a lot more than Florida's ability to sue.
What an interesting precedent: If a state’s retirement fund invests in your company, you’re no longer obligated to follow that states laws?
ENB shows she is a lib cunt to the max. How is libs of tic tok controversial or conspiratorial? And only non progressives are conspiratorial?
Before you (ENB) give your kin folk (Aka retarded cunts) a blurb about their book can you ask them if they believe the lab leak theory is a conspirisy theory?
It was a remarkably stupid article. Somehow just reposting what lefties themselves have posted is "conspiratorial". But those lefties posting it in the first place is completely ignorable.
It must sound worse when it's grouped together, or whatever other retarded reasoning a lefty uses.
Well, when you present just one video from a primary school teacher talking about grooming children, you misrepresent the context that seeing all of their other videos about discussing their sexuality with first graders would provide.
Good point. It's almost as though touching one kid is ok, but you are a pedo if you touch them all. ButtPlug can probably chime in and explain the nuance of the situation.
ENB is an absolutely horrible person.
She should be aborted.
I've come to believe ENB only had a child so she could converge her beliefs and make her trans underage kid a sex worker she shuttled about just to prove there is nothing wrong with any of it.
^ The Libs of tic tok literally just posts videos of actual crazy liberal people already out in the twittersphere.
I guess the round up is super controversial seeing as it's ENB posting links to what others have done
Good point.
I am actually surprised that Reason hasn't addressed that whole doxxing thing and Taylor Lorenz more directly.
I wish I was.
Why would they ENB thinks she's a hero.
Remember this is the same bitch that wanted to dox people that called out her bs on twitter
Taylor Lorenz is a vile hypocrite. And a bad actor with her obviously fake crying.
And judging from her look, a 40-year-old teenager.
LOL. Yes.
Look, right now they see how foolish the WaPo article was.
Sullum, Soave, ENB and KMW are waiting and watching twitter. Over the next 48 hours or so on Twitter, millions of liberal reactions and justifications will go around, and as soon as that pasta has had a chance to fall off the wall, they will see which argument sticks and will post their takes on this entire issue. Just wait...As soon as the most powerful liberal justification arrises, ENB will link to it.
Even Yglesias criticized it. Not sure why Reason can't. They could even just link to him.
And restart the counter? You monster.
Days since Jesseaz last referenced yglesias:0
Days since ENB last reffrenced yglasias : 16*
She's winning the fight.
Damn Jesse...
I enjoy thus meme lol.
Technically if mine counts as a reset your post does too 😉
She doesn't JUST post those videos, she's been putting up screenshots of school policies promoting the latest neomarxist shibboleth du jour as well.
Public information? That’s even worse!
A typical prog defense of their outrageous bullshit is "No one is actually saying that." Libs of Tik Tok shows that, yes, in fact, many are actually saying that.*
*"that" being whatever the outrageous bullshit in question happens to be
A British judge says Wikileaks founder Julian Assange can be extradited to the U.S. to face spying charges.
Send him back to Australia. That should be punishment enough.
Trade him for Hillary Clinton, FBI, CIA, DNC and the purveyors of misinformation ala Russian collusion
That's the issue assange posted actual ture info. Those orgs post what they want you to think
If we, as an international community, start sending folks to Australia then the UN Bill of Human Rights means nothing.
Florida won't stop attacking private companies.
The private companies attacked first.
"subject to CDC's conclusion that the order remains necessary for public health"
Hmm. Perhaps CDC should claim that jumping solidly into the Ukraine fray is necessary for public health.
Sadly that would not be in their top 3 abuses of power
Worked for social justice.
Florida won't stop attacking private companies
Florida won’t stop protecting children from private companies.
Perspective is everything.
Disney decided to inject itself into the rearing of Florida’s children. It’s a small world after all
What exactly do you mean by "rearing of children"?
And "inject"?
It can take weeks to get an abortion in the U.S.
Whereas a man can tan his balls at any walk-in clinic. Patriarchy!
But can a person get waxed around her lady dick anywhere?
That was a funny article. So the states around Texas take a long time to get an abortion appointment, oh and it's comparable to blue states wait times. So is the argument that the Texas law puts stress on the surrounding state systems? Or is it that every state is stressed? Or that abortion should be on demand everywhere? Which it is its called suicide.
I think the argument is that it's impossible to fly in and out of Texas.
Tanned balls are racist.
"Small and rural counties are making some exciting strides in criminal justice reform, writes Emily Galvin-Almanza, co-founder and executive director of Partners for Justice."
Oh? So it's not just huge Democrat-controlled cities implementing the Koch / Soros / Reason soft-on-crime #FreeTheCriminals and #EmptyThePrisons agenda? That's great!
#CheapLaborAboveAll
#NoSentencesLongerThan2Months
What's the Koch/Soros/Reason position on co-locating prisons and factories?
Is Shanghai now the world's largest prison?
Texas prosecutor Ralph Petty had a secret side hustle working "as a law clerk for the same judges he was trying to convince to side with him by day..."
BREAKING NEWS: Lawyer with State Power Is Dirtbag
Small and rural counties are making some exciting strides in criminal justice reform...
First of all, lower your voice. Their urban overlords cannot find out.
I just don't want any more folks to find out that it's pretty nice out here.
White privilege strikes again.
"On Tuesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, asked the state legislature to revoke Disney's decades long self-governing status"
Reality check:
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022C/3C/BillText/Filed/PDF
Search results for "Disney" = 0/0
The bill is about Disney, Long, The company had the nerve to criticize legislation passed by the Legislature at the governor's urging. In our new world, one cannot criticize the legislature, the governor, or any laws they pass, or punishment will be in order.
Unfortunately, it remains to be seen if the 2 counties which Disney is in wants to pick up the duties this bill would leave them with.
Are corporations people or not?
This makes no sense. I would be just as pissed off if DeSantis decided to audit some liberal for bitching about his politics. The government should not use unrelated powers and privileges to retaliate against speech (by people, or companies) that it doesn't like.
Please tell that to Lois Lerner.
Come on Long. It's me. Do you really think I wouldn't say that to Lois Lerner?
The government should not use unrelated powers and privileges to retaliate against speech (by people, or companies) that it doesn't like.
But corporations can? Seriously, what interest does Disney have in sexual indoctrination of small children? How does that affect their bottom line? Does anyone on the Disney board even live in Florida?
I'm for laissez faire laws that allow companies to do most whatever they want but when they try force free citizens to obey their dictates it's past time to reign them in.
- rein
"But corporations can? "
They are not using unrelated powers. They are speaking.
"I'm for laissez faire laws that allow companies to do most whatever they want but when they try force free citizens to obey their dictates it's past time to reign them in."
You are conflating speech with force. Disney isn't forcing anyone to do anything. They are speaking up against a policy they don't like. And by the way, I don't agree with their characterization of the law at all. But they aren't forcing anyone to do anything.
The people with the power to do force are the Government. That includes DeSantis, and whomever Disney can get to replace him (if they were capable of doing so). The problem is normalizing the notion that the government ought to COERCE private entities to silence disagreement. Because if this is normal, it will be done to you too.
The company had the nerve to
criticize legislation passed by the Legislature at the governor's urgingurge the grooming of children. Disney’s leadership should be castrated but removing their special district protection is a good startI guess your search engine is broken, so here is the official analysis of the bill's impact:
Effect of Proposed Changes
Notwithstanding s. 189.072(2), F.S., the bill dissolves all independent special districts created by
special act prior to the ratification of the Florida Constitution on November 5, 1968, if those districts
have not been reestablished, re-ratified, or otherwise reconstituted by a special act or general law after
that date. The bill provides that dissolution of the affected districts will occur on June 1, 2023, but that
such special districts may be re-established pursuant to the requirements and limitations of ch. 189,
F.S., on or after that date.
According to DEO’s Special District Accountability Program Official List of Special Districts, there are
132 active independent special districts that were created by special act before November 5, 1968.29 Of
those 132 districts, 126 appear to operate under a charter that was reestablished, re-ratified, or
otherwise reconstituted by a special act or general law after November 5, 1968. The following six
districts appear to operate pursuant to a charter, which predates the 1968 Florida Constitution and was
not reestablished, re-ratified, or otherwise reconstituted by a special act or general law after November
5, 1968:
Bradford County Development Authority, Bradford County.
Sunshine Water Control District, Broward County.30
Eastpoint Water and Sewer District, Franklin County.
Hamilton County Development Authority, Hamilton County.
Marion County Law Library, Marion County.
Reedy Creek Improvement District, Orange and Osceola Counties.
Notice the word ALL.
Notice there are six special districts potentially impacted.
The law effectively forces those 6 districts to go to the state legislature hat in hand. What are the odds that 5 of the 6 don't have much trouble getting re-ratified?
In our new world, one cannot criticize the legislature, the governor, or any laws they pass, or punishment will be in order.
You mean like holding political prisoners for years without charges in conditions deemed unfit for violent murders and rapists?
No, not nearly as bad as that. But still bad.
And Disney attacked DeSantis first for having the audacity to shield 8 year old's (and under) from exposure to sexually explicit content.
Enter the ring, prepare to fight.
Bingo. Disney went too far. This means war
^This.
Disney started the fight, not Florida.
I wish the debate hadn't gotten so stupid.
This is an evergreen comment, I suppose.
In our new world, one cannot criticize the legislature, the governor, or any laws they pass, or punishment will be in order.
No, in our new world, one cannot act against left-liberal social policies, or your side will whine about how "divisive" your opponents are being.
If Disney's executive management wants to use the company as an explicitly political vehicle to promote the social agenda of the left, then they can be treated like any other political organization when their side isn't running the show. And if that means choking them off and fucking them over, which is exactly what the left does when they have power, then so be it.
Don't hate the player, hate the game (whose rules YOUR side established).
Of course don't be surprised when the same thing happens to you. Like telling Chick Filet that they can't have a restaurant at an airport, or people being held longer than normal because they wear maga hats.
Since all that, and much more, is happening regardless, I’m never surprised.
Except that's already happened, so the warning is basically post facto at this point.
I do get where you're coming from, but I've never considered the moral high ground something worth occupying when I'm already being overrun in real life.
I get that. But I do not think that what DeSantis is doing will end well. This is not Concern Trolling. This is really me thinking DeSantis is throwing away a lot of pro-libertarian credibility he had, and learning a lot of bad lessons that I personally don't want him (or Abbot) to have when they end up as PotUS.
If the only way for our nation to be saved from the leftist authoritarians is for DeSantis to become a right-ist totalitarian, then we haven't won anything. You didn't prevent yourself from being overrun, you merely changed the date.
DeSantis had SO MUCH going for him through the pandemic. He demonstrated that pro-freedom, reasoned responses could win the day. Instead of standing by that record, he is picking unprincipled fights. I think he was already in a strong place to be without fighting dirty.
And by the way, as a libertarian, I have no confidence that DeSantis won't do the same thing to me if I protest whatever other pet project the mob has decided.
This used to be the sort of thing that I see right-leaning commenters talking about before. How often do you guys say to Left-Leaning people "Stop defending these people- you will be the first up against the wall just as soon as you aren't convenient to them."
Principles before Principals.
Principles before Principals.
In a less atomized society, I think this is a fine rule to abide by primarily because people with political disagreements are already more inclined to actually put it in to practice.
I don't honestly believe that we really live in that kind of society any more, though. It's become existential in the last 10-12 years, and the stakes have already been raised. Keep in mind we were in a similar place in the late 60s-early 70s, too, and things didn't really start to settle down until the oil embargo and Nixon's eventual resignation from the White House. As shitty as the rest of the decade was, at least a relative cultural stability emerged that set the stage for the US making its big global comeback after the early 80s recession.
That shot didn’t end until a leader (Reagan) got in front of the nation and rallied them around principles. He was called the great communicator because from his bully pulpit he introduced deep skepticism of government solutions and pride in the freedoms that distinguished the US from other countries like the USSR.
DeSantis was doing great up until the point some political consultant decided he needed to add some populism to his schtick. Until people start expecting better of their leaders this doesn’t get better.
Also- I don’t think you can win this war by democrat games. Do you really think if Disney is punished here it will make an ounce of difference in the Kulturr wars?
Amazing.
This is an official white house statement...
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1516752535364812810?t=kxh99wfXQW3G__wtcgKykA&s=19
I know that families are still struggling with higher prices. I grew up in a family where if the price of gas went up, we felt it.
Let’s be absolutely clear about why prices are high right now: COVID and Vladimir Putin.
Wow, Putin has a time machine.
Oh, come on. Everyone knows Trump caused inflation.
Brandon is a real piece of work. The second coming of Jimmy Carter.
And I think we're going to yearn for the original by the time this is over.
At least Carter made an effort to not be a lying sack of shit, even if he was a complete prig.
(1) not a lying sack of shit
(2) pretty big on human rights
Other than that, an unmitigated disaster-- but Joe comes up short on both of the above.
Legalized home brewing
Carter was a classic case of the right guy at the wrong time. If he had gained office during a more relatively stable era, socially and economically, he'd have gone down as a fairly anodyne, but successful President--sort of a 20th century version of Grover Cleveland or Chester Arthur.
He did try his best, but he just wasn't equipped instinctually to engage with the very sort of identity crisis that the nation was going through at the time, because he'd been elected by a lot of people who legitimately thought that the US needed to be brought down a peg. He could identify a problem, but always seemed to fumble on the solution and just never mastered the public relations side like Reagan did, who always projected an optimistic air even when things were still going pear-shaped in his first term.
“he'd been elected by a lot of people who legitimately thought that the US needed to be brought down a peg.”
So he’s got another thing in common with Biden.
With a larger rabbit scaring the shit out of him.
I skewered this when he said it in the state of the union:
"Inflation has been terrible, hasn’t it? I know exactly how you feel because when I was a kid 148 years ago, we were poor! We’re not poor anymore, are we Hunter?"
It's time to rethink prison strip searches.
The TSA is outpacing corrections departments.
"A British judge says Wikileaks founder Julian Assange can be extradited to the U.S. to face spying charges."
Good. That guy is awful. He's not a real journalist like Taylor Lorenz.
#LibertariansAgainstAssange
He's a Russian stooge according to the GOP led Senate Intel Comm Report on the 2016 election.
Anyone seen him publishing Russian secrets? Of course not.
He's a Russian stooge according to the GOP led Senate Intel Comm Report on the 2016 election.
I'd like you to quote the part of the report that says that.
I have before, and here's the link (also provided here by me before):
"Wikieaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian campai~knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort. The Committee found significant indications that Julian Assan e and WikiLeaks have benefited from Russian government support. After receiving the GRU' s materials, WikiLeaks timed its document releases for maximum political impact.. WikiLeaks released the GRU-hacked materials obtained from the DNC on the eve of the Democratic National Convention. It released materials stolen from Podesta's email account starting on October 7, 2016, and continued to release Podesta's emails up until the election. ' (U) While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump's electoral prospects. To do so, the Trump Campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of information and continued leaks. (U) Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about WikiLeaks through Roger Stone. In spring 2016, prior to Assange's public announcements, Stone advised the Campaign that WikiLeaks would be releasing materials harmful to Clinton. Following the July 22 DNC release, Trump and the Campaign believed that Roger Stone had known of the release and had inside access to WikiLeaks, and repeatedly communicated with Stone about WikiLeaks throughout the summer and fall of 2016. Trump and other senior Campaign officials specifically directed Stone to obtain information about upcoming document releases relating to Clinton and report back. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and senior Campaign officials on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone's information suggested more releases would be forthcoming. "
This starts on page 171.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf
Idiot.
There's nothing there about any findings. Just some phony inferences based on the GRU hack conspiracy theory.
One thing I noticed going through all that again just now, is the disgusting reliance on Democratic Party media outlets for the bulk of their report, not their own research.
Imagine if an investigation on Biden relied mostly on Fox News articles.
Idiot.
https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/
Joe Friday an ignorant ass? Shocking!
OBL, was Taylor Lorenz wrong to dox the creator of LibsofTikTok?
No. Everyone on TikTok deserves it.
Good, and most Americans agree:
"Majority of Americans want masks for travelers: AP-NORC poll
FARGO, N.D. (AP) — A majority of Americans continue to support a mask requirement for people traveling on airplanes and other shared transportation, a new poll finds. A ruling by a federal judge has put the government’s transportation mask mandate on hold.
The poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research finds that despite opposition to that requirement that included verbal abuse and physical violence against flight attendants, 56% of Americans favor requiring people on planes, trains and public transportation to wear masks, compared with 24% opposed and 20% who say they’re neither in favor nor opposed...."
https://apnews.com/article/covid-business-health-travel-lifestyle-df8d9d7e46db0b9a85e29ac762a41a51
The AP polled idiots who believed the CDC. Most Americans believe otherwise.
The Infection Fatality Rate is 0.05%. Influenza is 0.1%
Ioannidis, John P A. (2021). Infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data. Bulletin of the World Health Organization, 99 (1), 19 - 33F. World Health Organization. http://dx.doi.org/10.2471/BLT.20.265892
"The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide."
Of course Covid deaths in the US alone outnumber that. In any case, get vaccinated for both.
Surgeon General warns believing the CDC is dangerous to your health.
SARS-CoV-2 IFR = 0.05% per the WHO
Thanks for providing a great example of how majorities can be totally and completely wrong.
Thanks for providing an example of making a claim lacking any evidence or reasoning.
The burden of proof is on those who use force, not the other way around. And at this point there is no evidence whatsoever that wearing masks on planes has any health benefit.
Of course there is sarcasmic. Go to the CDC list. There are also independent reports on how effective certain type masks are given particle sizes, etc. and of course they work to help restrict the movement of droplets.
This has to hurt. Joe is using the same arguments sarc did for two years regarding droplets. Lol.
I never made any arguments, ass. I was clarifying the stated purpose of the masks in light of dishonest asshats like you saying masks didn't filter individual viruses and were therefore useless.
Also I never once endorsed mandates of any kind.
Try to be honest for once you lying sack of shit.
I have linked your arguments at least a dozen times at this point, and you continue to lie about it.
Yes, you argued multiple times that the masks stop droplets from coughing and sneezing so it protects others. I have linked this so many times at this point do you want me to do so again, or are you going to continue to lie about it?
This is what Joe said:
of course they work to help restrict the movement of droplets.
This is what you even admit to saying. Yet you call me a liar? You are so delusional it is pathetic at this point. You made the argument in those threads as you attacked those who were against mask mandates. Your motivations were clear.
Do you want the link. Yes or no?
Like I said below, between vaccines and the fact that the virus just isn't deadly, any justification for masking has passed.
Go to the CDC list. There are also independent reports on how effective certain type masks are given particle sizes, etc.
I have already told you but you cant seem to quit the CDC talking points.
Cochrane Reviews states otherwise. Cochrane is bullet-proof in medical circles.
Do physical measures such as hand-washing or wearing masks stop or slow down the spread of respiratory viruses?
https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-measures-such-hand-washing-or-wearing-masks-stop-or-slow-down-spread-respiratory-viruses
Medical or surgical masks
Seven studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness (9 studies; 3507 people); and probably makes no difference in how many people have flu confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 3005 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported, but included discomfort.
N95/P2 respirators
Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people) or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well reported; discomfort was mentioned.
Joe Friday and the other progressive doom cult members will never admit to being wrong, or learn new information that contradicts their beliefs. That said: https://www.city-journal.org/the-failed-covid-policy-of-mask-mandates
They have the difficult problem that literally all the science before 2020 said masks didn't work, but we threw all that out because we needed a visible reminder that SOMETHING IS WRONG AND YOU MUST BE AFRAID!
…. of course they work to help restrict the movement of droplets.
So why do we have to cover our noses?
Did the judge make it illegal for people to wear they're masks on planes, Joe? Or just to stop forcing people who don't want to wear them to do so?
Are you trying to argue for mandatory signaling on an ostensibly libertarian website?
Mother, as you surely must know by now - or you are purposefully ignorant - mask wearing benefits increase by the percentage of those wearing them, which is primarily due to the fact that they are best at restricting the travel of droplets from the wearer, not from others in proximity to the wearer. In other words, people wearing masks are primarily protecting others, not themselves.
In other words, people wearing masks are primarily protecting others, not themselves.
The purpose of masks is to prevent sick people from spreading the virus. Yes. And that might have made sense at one time. But now that the weak have been culled, a majority of people have been vaccinated, and the chances of being hospitalized let alone dying from the virus are minimal, any justification for masks has long passed.
That's not correct sarcasmic. You really need to do more "research". People who are not "sick" can transmit the virus and while the threat from the current dominant variant - new cases up by 43% in the last week - is much less though it is more contagious, the CDC was correct to pump the brakes to see where we are headed with this. Most Americans apparently agree with that sensical and conservative approach.
I don't give a fuck about cases. That's meaningless. What matters is hospitalizations and deaths, which there are not enough of to justify the use of masks.
Hospitalizations and deaths - we call those conditions "unvaxxed road kill" - follow new cases sarcasmic.
By the way, if you become a new case, even if you don't get sick, you are supposed to self quarantine for at least 5 days. We also still don't know how the new variant effects "long covid".
As I said I don't care about cases. That's just the current resting place of goalposts that started with deaths, then hospitalizations, and now cases.
SARS-CoV-2 has a fatality rate of 0.05%. Influenza = 0.1%
Everyone should get COVID to develop T cell memory immunity.
Covid immunity for patients lasts maybe 6 months and is not necessarily transferable to new variants.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/omicron-largely-evades-immunity-from-past/
Oh well, guess we'll have to deal with it, much to your peptic consternation.
Would you stop trying to prove your point and think for a moment? Do it for the children!
Now read slowly
B cells synthesize antibodies which are often shortlived.
T cells are cytotoxic cells which provide lasting memory, forever and ever, amen.
You and millions of Americans were manipulated by the CDC. They focused on antibodies which kill extracellularly. T cells kill intracellularly, and the infected cell as well. That is the life saving component of the immune system responding to viral infections. Here is your reference.
Adaptive immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00007-6
Note Figure 2 with the graph that indicates which group of patients suffered from severe COVID, i.e. those who failed to launch a T cell response. The group that launched B cells / antibodies, but did not launch T cells, succumbed. Antibodies did not save them. T cells provide longterm, lasting memory
I dont expect you and others to understand because immunology is complicated, fluid and rapidly evolving. You have to read the data for yourself, and then make informed opinions. The CDC has lost credibility with physicians for a reason; they are a political animal.
I'm thinking Joe with his super contractor skills could build the perfect mask!
And...the vindictive little cunt comes out.
There is zero correlation between mask usage and infection rates globally.
Jesse, one cannot reasonably determine effectiveness on such a wide scale with innumerable variables. Testing is rightly done by minimizing contributing factors and when that is done, masks are proven to be effective and limiting the spread, and of course by common sense that is what one expects.
One can rightly assume by common sense that getting hit by a Mack truck will fuck you up and a laboratory testing of this would verify it. However, if you compared countries based on their jay walking laws, you might claim it's not proven. I'll go with getting the fuck off the pavement if I see one heading my way, but you do what you want.
one cannot reasonably determine effectiveness on such a wide scale with innumerable variables
Dumbest comment of the day.
"This shit works, except when it doesn't it's because there's too many variables to consider."
Jesse, one cannot reasonably determine effectiveness on such a wide scale with innumerable variables.
Yet you assert with full confidence that masks are necessary and useful.
Joe, one can not deny actual real world data as you are doing now.
"Jesse, one cannot reasonably determine effectiveness on such a wide scale with innumerable variables"
Then one cannot reasonable abridge the rights of millions of people, forcing them to wear a mask.
Sorry. If you cannot prove one way or the other, then we err on the side of freedom.
Even if you CAN prove one way or another, it doesn't justify a mandate. People who have already recovered should never be forced to mask or vax.
Honestly, you are right, even though I go further.
There is no moral obligation for someone to act to reduce the risk to you of a natural pathogen. Whether they have had the disease or not.
best at restricting the travel of droplets
Excpet covid is spread by aerosols.
Read the tests Spiritus. N 95 masks are highly effective at minimizing Covid spread, whatever you want to claim their vehicle is. I believe it is both aerosol and droplets.
Except there is no evidence forcing people to wear N95s reduced the spread of covid.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/more-masks-fail-more-we-need-them
I believe it is both aerosol and droplets.
What you believe and what is reality are two different things.
Stay in your basement.
"Majority of Americans want masks for travelers: AP-NORC poll
this just in, most people are spineless sheep.
"government me harder, daddy" should be the new motto on the money.
Oh you are such a he-man Woodchipper! The women on the board are almost swooning!
Maybe if you could actually wipe your own ass without the government providing you with an instruction manual and free toilet paper, you'd have a point there, Joey-poop.
boy you really changed my mind there
Majority of Americans want masks for travelers:
The majority of Americans are not travelers.
Yeah, this came out after 9-11. Typical media sources reported that majorities of Americans were in favor of all the new TSA bullshit. But actual travelers, not so much. The biggest security theater fans (outside of statists and Karens) were people who seldom or never got on a plane.
Haha Joe, your mandate got overturned. Now excuse me as I’m off to go cough on people at the bus depot.
Hey now, that’s a real thing! - tony.
That article is fucking hilarious. Let’s quote an old lady who cans or one who doesn’t like DeSantis for their opinions. The one they quoted in favor of dropping the mandate actually flies.
You could probably find a poll that says 56% of Americans agree you should own a cat.
99% of Reason commentators think Joe Friday should go fuck himself.
99.9% agree sarc should post his list.
Sorry to crap on your parade every day R Mac, or is it hosing the circle jerk?
Sorry to crap on your parade every day
Thanks for admitting you spew nothing but bullshit, you moron.
And steps in it quite readily.
Or fuck his new cat.
"Count Betty Harp, of Leitchfield, Kentucky, as among the “very worried” and not because she’s turning 84 next month. She said she takes care of her large house and yard by herself, does a lot of canning and is in “fantastic health for my age.” But she’s lost a lot of friends and family to the virus, which has killed nearly 1 million people in the United States."
I don't believe that I know of anyone who has died due to the virus. I don't know if I even know anyone who knows anyone who has died due to the virus.
Then again, I'm not eighty-fucking-four.
Covid was certainly what was given as the reason for my aunt's death in late '20, but yeah, she was 77. It could well have been some other respiratory thing and it was just easiest (and more profitable) to call it Covid.
My dad had a fatal heart attack in 2021. His fourth.
He tested positive for Covid, so guess what his death certificate lists as his primary cause of death? Heart failure was 2nd.
My grandfather was battling cancer and was too sick to be vaccinated. He tested positive (in the hospital!) a week before he died. Guess who got counted as an unvaxxed covid death?
https://notthebee.com/article/heres-a-chart-showing-covid-cases-in-states-with-mask-mandates-versus-states-without
Zerohedge had a good article on that.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/more-masks-fail-more-we-need-them
Then those people can just go ahead and wear their mask.
That's fine. I certainly don't want to do it. I think the companies should be able to make the decision of whether they require masks on their flights though.
Polls lie, except when they don't.
When polls say Americans support the Florida Don't Say Gay law, it's because they are authentically concerned about teachers "grooming children" and Republicans are right to pass a law banning it.
When polls say Americans support mask-wearing on planes, it's because Americans are stupid and polls lie.
Here is a novel idea: A bad idea is still a bad idea even if a poll shows a majority support the idea.
A *government-imposed mask mandate* is a bad idea, for anyone including on planes, because it should be up to the private property owner, not the government, to decide the precise requirements for use of that property.
The Don't Say Gay law is a bad idea because it conflates homosexuality with pedophilia, chills legitimate classroom discussion that has nothing to do with graphic "sex talk", and stigmatizes by force of law sexual orientations and gender identities in favor of the socially normative straight heterosexuals with traditional gender roles.
We don't need polls to tell us what the proper positions on these issues ought to be.
The Don't Say Gay law is a bad idea because it conflates homosexuality with pedophilia, chills legitimate classroom discussion that has nothing to do with graphic "sex talk", and stigmatizes by force of law sexual orientations and gender identities in favor of the socially normative straight heterosexuals with traditional gender roles.
Well, that's a good summation of your shitlib neighbors' take on it. Cluster B-afflicted lunatics who demand that their mental illness be celebrated by the force of law, and that children should be encouraged to deny biological reality even if the parents object to such indoctrination, should absolutely be stigmatized.
Just a quick reminder that chemtard doesn't think child molesters are bad people and should be allowed to claim refugee status.
He also thinks teachers should be able to hide their teachings from parents.
ChemJeff can't help introducing a discussion on gender and sexual identity to a subject line on something completely different. Similar to the teaching method he promotes for K-3 schools.
Jeff's model classroom:
Student: Hey there's two birds outside my window. One is colorful and the other is not.
Sex and Gender Positive Teacher: Every species has at least two genders. Humans are lucky in that our gender is fluid and can be determined by a number of different factors that all other creatures in nature don't share. Let me introduce you to the Gender Unicorn. A mythical creature, yes, but with so much wisdom on how we become our true selves from a sex and gender perspective.
He also thinks teachers should ask parents about their sex lives at parent teacher conferences.
The teacher stuff aside, if a person can't actually bring themselves to call kiddie diddlers bad people, and believes that a society which values liberty should admit them if they claim refugee status despite being kiddie diddlers, they've pretty much lost whatever moral high ground they thought they occupied and should probably be checked to make sure they don't have any cheese pizza on their computer.
He’s a degenerate in a variety of ways.
Speaking of Pizza...
So, if the QAnon thing was such a right wing lunatic conspiracy who came up with this brilliant teaching idea?
https://defendinged.org/incidents/family-health-and-human-sexuality-lesson-for-8th-graders-uses-pizza-to-teach-consent-asks-students-to-list-their-sexual-likes-and-dislikes-as-if-they-are-pizza-toppings-and-uses-kissing-and-giv/
The law didn't conflate homosexuality or grooming with teaching sexual or sex preference concepts to children too young to grasp the concepts. Some of the proponents of the law conflated it, many if not all of the opponents, to include you, did the same. This doesn't take into account that many, if not most parents would prefer to not have strangers discussing sex with their young children before they have had the chance to do so. The situation was not improved by the generally smug 'stay the fuck out of the classroom,' 'don't tell your parents we talked about this,' 'parents don't need to know' attitude that the education industry has adopted.
"The Don't Say Gay law is a bad idea because it conflates homosexuality with pedophilia, chills legitimate classroom discussion that has nothing to do with graphic "sex talk", "
It may strike you as surprising, but there is more about "sex talk" than graphic sex that may not be appropriate for conversation K-3. And that is generally a standard set for parents. Some parents want their little snowflake to understand that there are 600 genders, and they are free to select whichever one they want. On the other hand, some parents believe boys are boys and girls are girls. At the least, this is a very controversial subject that has nothing to do with facts, reasoning or science, and has everything to do with ideologues pushing their views on other people. It is a place that schools should avoid.
"and stigmatizes by force of law sexual orientations and gender identities in favor of the socially normative straight heterosexuals with traditional gender roles."
It does not stigmatize anything. It removes those conversations- pro or against- from being discussed.
But your point here is worth unpacking. Why exactly does public education need to stigmatize or de-stigmatize what is a very controversial topic here? Why not leave it up to parents to decide how to navigate this controversy?
"Teacher? Jimmy says that he is a girl, but I think he is a boy!"
"Jenny, there are many views on this, talk to your parents about it. Now let's get back to class."
That is what happens if this law is passed (assuming teachers follow it). There is no stigmatizing involved.
Let me ask you this Overt.
Do you think that there is ANY discussion about "sexual orientation or gender identity" that may, at least theoretically, be appropriate for teachers to discuss with K-3 students? Any at all?
Until the public school monopoly is completely broken? No.
We don't need the Public Schools to present any viewpoints on this subject when the nation as a whole does not have a consensus viewpoint. Especially for kids under 8.
There are countless other subjects that kids can learn, including ones that encourage kids to "think critically". *shrug*
Until the public school monopoly is completely broken? No.
What does that matter?
Are you saying that you think there COULD BE a discussion about "sexual orientation or gender identity" that may, at least theoretically, be appropriate for teachers to discuss with K-3 students, but you don't trust public school teachers to be in charge of this discussion?
That's not really answering the question, that is a bit of a dodge. I did say "at least theoretically". So, supposing that the ideal educational system was in place meeting your standards, at that point do you think there could be ANY discussion about "sexual orientation or gender identity" that may, at least theoretically, be appropriate for teachers to discuss with K-3 students?
We don't need the Public Schools to present any viewpoints on this subject when the nation as a whole does not have a consensus viewpoint. Especially for kids under 8.
Really? So, no more debate clubs or no more argumentation papers where students have to defend a thesis on a controversial subject? Can't have students writing papers defending a pro- or anti-abortion thesis because society hasn't reached a consensus viewpoint on it?
This is starting to sound like you really do want schools to cater to the lowest common denominator after all.
And let me ask you then Chemjeff- if you have a reason why discussion of sexuality SHOULD be discussed at these ages, please use those same guardrails to answer the question:
"Do you think that there is any discussion about Intelligent Design that may, at least theoretically be appropriate for teachers to discuss with K-3 students? Any at all?"
Odd he didn’t answer.
"Do you think that there is any discussion about Intelligent Design that may, at least theoretically be appropriate for teachers to discuss with K-3 students? Any at all?"
I think there probably exists some convincing argument that at least in theory some discussion could be appropriate. I don't know what that would be offhand but I cannot say with 100% certainty that such an argument does not exist at all.
I can say that what would constitute a convincing argument for me would NOT be some type of populist appeal - that ID should be taught because "the parents demand it" or "in the local community everyone supports it". It would have to be that some discussion of ID would, as I mentioned before, further the overall goal of improving the student's mind through critical thinking, moral reasoning, creative activities, or some other type of pedagogy that furthers the ultimate aims of a classical liberal education. If you can come up with one then I'd love to hear it.
Not in school. Explain to me why a teacher needs to explain those things to a 5 year old.
Snow White. Check mate.
Not in school.
So, no more story time with the kids where the story involves a man and a woman falling in love. Oh well.
Explain to me why a teacher needs to explain those things to a 5 year old.
For the same reason a teacher has to explain lots of things to 5-year-olds: because 5-year-olds don't typically know very much and are also very inquisitive and ask lots of questions.
And... the other whining pussy shows up.
"It can take weeks to get an abortion in the U.S."
Ugh. That's just totally unacceptable.
It's like, I realize plenty of insured people need to wait weeks to see a doctor for a variety of issues. But access to abortion care is more important than literally any other medical procedure. It is, after all, the only medical procedure explicitly spelled out as a protected right in the US Constitution.
Maybe the Amazon guy's ex-wife can donate another few hundred million of her hard-earned money to build more abortion clinics.
#AbortionAboveAll
It can take weeks to get all sorts of medical procedures in the US, but offing your child needs to be done while the fear of pregnancy is still fresh, and you haven't had the time to consider the monstrosity of the deed.
Women are the only important group, and their concerns are all that matters. Damn OBL, I thought you were woke.
Womyn with penises are importanter.
"Kristian suggests that community has replaced sleuthing—"conspiracism now is a group project"—and that this is embodied by the controversial conservative TikTok account Libs of TikTok."
Hahaha, how did I know that is a where this was going to end up? Not the QAnon scare, not the "insurrection" narrative, but something conservative and irrelevant to the accusation.
What tremendous pieces of shit these people are. Libs of TikTok reposts unedited TikTok videos with little to no commentary, and they try to gaslight us by calling that a c0nsPiRAcy tHEorY.
If it's a conspiracy theory then the only people propagating it are the mentally ill progs that made and posted the videos.
Such utter fucking garbage. Stupid antilibertarian gaslighting like this should really get ENB canned.
What's the difference between the truth and a conspiracy theory?
3 months. (and getting shorter)
From Kristian's linked article:
No, we have not criticized her. We have mocked the shit out of her. We have ridiculed her. We have laughed in her face, as she returns to the same tactics that she used before, that she cried on national television about the response to them, and she's at it again.
Someone who calls any community of like-minded people a conspiracy deserve a bit of mockery themselves.
The part that bothered me ML was Taylor Lorenz specifically making a point of the creator being an Orthodox Jew who belonged to Chabad. And then Lorenz slipped in some antisemitic tropes in her tweets. The person's religious faith has zero relevance here.
The Reformed Jews of the New York Times seem to have a real hate on for the Orthodox. It's at a Irish Catholics versus Protestants level.
Aren't Reformed Jews basically just atheists or humanists who go to synagogue during Passover as a cultural ritual, sort of like Christians who only go to church for Christmas or Easter service?
No, I would never speak of them that way. Reform Jews who have a Jewish mother, or converted in conformance to halakah are Jews. Period.
I myself am nominally aligned with the Conservative movement, but daven a lot with the Orthodox. Many do speak badly of Reform Jews, but they should not.
I think that was megan mcardle, no? She was commenting on the realtor firm being orthodox, so thus must only have orthodox clients... That aside, left-leaning/progressive types have a history of anti-Semitism that sits neatly with the rest of their nasty bigotry. The need to feel superior and persecute, destroy the out-group for wrongthink is a common trait with them.
"I think that was megan mcardle, no?"
That means we can blame it all on Suderman.
I think "Yes dear" is a large part of Suderman's conversations at home.
I don't actually follow the "Libs of TikTok" account on twitter, but I'm having a tough time seeing how they can represent a whole movement of conspiracy theories. Especially when conspiracy theories include things like, "COVID came from a virology lab in China," "Masks are unnecessary for children and harming social development," "Andrew Cuomo is falsifying the numbers of deaths in nursing homes," and "The COVID vaccine is not 100% safe and does not prevent transmission."
The biggest conspiracies have all been coming true, despite the fact that you're likely to get banned from Twitter or youtube for mentioning that Hunter Biden has been caught funneling cash from foreign entities directly to his dad.
"Kristian suggests that community has replaced sleuthing—"conspiracism now is a group project"—and that this is embodied by the controversial conservative TikTok account Libs of TikTok."
This person is completely ignorant of how conspiracy theories were in the past - hint, it was always about community and there was no 'sleithing' - and libsoftoktok is not a conspiracy site. It's just reposts of shit libs have actually posted, unedited, their own words, actions, and physical appearance.
It's not a conspiracy theory to say 'hey, these people over there are saying this' and then post their own damn recordings of them saying it.
It's not a conspiracy theory to say 'hey, these people over there are saying this' and then post their own damn recordings of them saying it.
It is today. Just look at that Dangerous "great reset" Conspiracy Theory.
We probably need a different word for it. It's definitely not a conspiracy though.
It's more like... playing up to recency bias or something.
Recency bias, cherry picking, hasty generalization, all of those would apply.
"Reposting videos that people publically post online is recency bias and hasty generalization."
Reposting what people have openly said they want and are doing and then pointing out that they've said they want and do these things is a bias?
It's cherry picking at a minimum.
Yes, she should have posted examples of every liberal to ever post a video on social media.
This is all very silly.
Lefties, and their supporters (like chemjeff) are trying to make the argument that there is no broad movement on the left to insinuate marxist dogma and genderbending queer notions of sexuality into schools.
That is a valid question- is it happening? Is it pervasive? How pervasive? Liberals say it isn't pervasive at all and that the right is exaggerating what is happening.
Unfortunately where they go off the rails is next. When confronted with evidence that it is happening, they call it a conspiracy theory. Rather than say, "Holy shit that is an aberration and we need to crack down on it" they say, "Holy shit this evidence is promoting a conspiracy theory, kill it with fire!".
Stop trying to kill the messenger, and confront the evidence. We know this is happening all over the country and constantly persecuting the people bringing evidence, you are convincing everyone on the right that in fact it is happening and you just don't want that widely known.
Simple explanation: among the righteous, only true believers may speak the words of the doctrine and cast eyes upon the holy relics.
95% of what is labeled "conspiracy theoty" today is just the community of Leftists and media personalities declaring something inconvenient to their narrative but true a conspiracy theory regardless of evidence and then proceeding from there. Kristian is close to right, just on the wrong side of the argument.
Russian athletes totally deserve this kind of treatment. Serves them right for being from a country that cheated Hillary Clinton out of the White House. (Also the Ukraine invasion thing is pretty bad too.)
Report: Wimbledon to bar Russian players
"The decision would prevent world No. 2 Daniil Medvedev and world No. 8 Andrey Rublev from competing in the Wimbledon men's draw ... On the women's side, Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (ranked No. 15), Daria Kasatkina (No. 26) and Veronika Kudermetova (No. 29) would be among those affected by the ruling."
Good riddance to those jerks. And what's the deal with Russian names being so ugly-sounding? LOL
#LibertariansForGettingToughWithRussianAthletes
"• It can take weeks to get an abortion in the U.S. An analysis from FiveThirtyEight found "that while clinics in the states surrounding Texas are particularly taxed right now, wait times of a week or more are already fairly common in other parts of the U.S., even in deep-blue states like California and New York." And 12 percent of abortion providers surveyed said "the first available appointment was more than two weeks away.""
I mean the little bugger isn't going anywhere. And it's fairly unlikely he'll burst out of your chest in the mean time.
Come on. Any good or service that has been declared a human right must be supplied immediately at no cost. Don't you even democracy?
A lot of this would honestly be solved by just allowing Plan B to be sold on the shelf at CVS next to the condoms, whose function these people are apparently baffled by.
It's the latest in DeSantis' war on free enterprise and free speech.
Liberals suddenly defending the practices of private companies and decrying government over-reach. Now I've seen it all.
Except they are protecting government protection and special exemptions for some but not others.
The idea "that societies were naturally egalitarian and communal before farming is widely influential and quite wrong," suggests Manvir Singh, writing for Aeon.
Anyone who thinks about it for 2 seconds knows that idea was total bunk. It was a hippie dream, nothing more.
hat tip to Rousseau of course.
Yeah, the narrative [sic] was that primitive society was a just a moral society. But when we look at actual primitive societies, both modern and archeological, we see it's not true. Every advance in technology does up the stakes, but the idea was early man was morally innocent is just plain wrong.
Pure hippie dream to be sure.
Why do you hate indigenous people, you racist?
I like them enough. Shit, I probably drink at bars with indigenous people more often than most folks here. Go to metal shows with them too. Got shit faced with a bunch of O'odham tribe members at a Nile show once. Shit rocked.
The Native American rock scene is underrated.
Pure hippie dream to be sure.
Hippie dream? Shit, that pretense goes back to Rousseau, if not farther.
Yeah, from my years of dabbling in getting to know something about pre-history, life was filled with brutality. Murder, rape, theft, pillaging, etc were all not only commonplace, but the standard. They had not yet come to the moral conclusion that the village a couple of valleys over wasn’t an existential threat simply by being. It was farming that started this notion of more widespread cooperation through trade. Farming and trade are what separate us from being animals with minimally formed moral foundations, and animals that provide the veneer that we were never without moral foundations.
They had not yet come to the moral conclusion that the village a couple of valleys over wasn’t an existential threat simply by being.
A large part of that was because that other village was an existential threat just for being when resources are limited to what was naturally available to hunt and gather.
Read Joseph Campbell's Primitive Mythology.
Amazing work, very insightful, and sheds light on the hunter/gatherer vs farmer dynamic.
Spoiler: agricultural societies had a much more brutal belief system. It's where human sacrifice was first developed.
Agricultural societies had the surplus to support people who specialized in brutality - but it was always there.
Hunter gatherers we're just as bloodthirsty - they just couldn't afford for people to *specialize* in murder.
'They had not yet come to the moral conclusion that the village a couple of valleys over wasn’t an existential threat simply by being.' So no different than the social media cliques and mobs?
We have been watching a series called Animals on Netflix. One thing is clear: that the animal kingdom is brutal as fuck. Lions kill each other. Dolphins kill each other- especially the pups of females. Chimpanzees wage epic battles over fruit trees, killing eachother over it.
The idea that mankind, when closer to the animal kingsom, was any different, is fantasy.
Yeah, something like 50% of skeletons in some locations show evidence of violent death. Might be higher among males.
That kind of murder rate makes even Chicago look good.
Kristian suggests that community has replaced sleuthing—"conspiracism now is a group project"—and that this is embodied by the controversial conservative TikTok account Libs of TikTok.
This is reasons response to the wapo story yesterday? How many conspiracies have ended up being true the last few years? How many pullitzer prize winning investigations have ended up debunked? Lol.
It's just part of the new Libertarian belief system where fascism is the free market and free speech is dangerous.
Progressives stole the word "liberal", and conservatives are now stealing the word "libertarian". Both sides of the spectrum are a coalition of different forces, and the balance changes over time. An 1900 conservative is not the same as a 1950 conservative is not the same as a 2000 conservative, and even in 2022 there is little commonality with those twenty years earlier.
Libertarians used to be a fairly consistent ideology, but now we are being told that libertarians never believed in free trade and free markets. The word has been stolen.
I'm looking for a different label, and so far "classic liberal" is the closest, as I'm not quite an anarchist on most days. (I've no problem with anarchism, I just doubt it's practicality).
I do not quite understand the so-called "paleolibertarianism" that is on display nowadays. There ought to be a minimal government, but there also ought to be a strong government role to enforce certain moral values? I don't really understand how that contradiction works out.
Oddly you are the one pushing morality the most here as a form of government power. See your defense of CRT and Gender ideology in schools.
You've also claimed that nobody deserves freedoms until they have your level of morality. LOL.
Saying government schools shouldn’t teach things parents don’t want taught is the opposite of pushing morality by government.
"Libertarians used to be a fairly consistent ideology, but now we are being told that libertarians never believed in free trade and free markets. The word has been stolen."
No I intend to hold onto the term.
That said, there seems to be a lot of confusion on what libertarianism means. Does it mean tolerating various beliefs or accepting, even encouraging beliefs in things like prostitution?
Chemjeff has repeatedly pushed for a harsh, close-to-coercive, system of shaming and disassociation to encourage social changes. Should we be shaming people and attempting to get them canceled (voluntarily of course) if we don't approve of their life choices, or does libertarianism actually require people with "bad" beliefs to be accepted just so long as they don't want to coerce others through force?
These are important questions that people on the right and left of libertarianism continue to argue. And that is a good thing.
Live and let live comes close to libertarian.
Social engineering, by any means and for any goals, does not.
> "The new conspiracism dispenses with the burden of explanation. Instead, we have innuendo and verbal gesture … conspiracy without the theory."
It's post-modernist conspiracism: The narrative that matters, and all that matters. Don't need to imagine any evidence or put any pieces together when truth is merely what you believe. This used to be a Leftist idea, but now infects both sides, and has creeped into the conspiracy thinking.
But it was always there. Conspiracy theories have always started with the conclusion then tried to find the evidence to back it up. Hell, there's a name for it: Motivated reasoning, which is why it's so easy to slip into conspiracy thinking if your motivations are strong enough. It's why libertarians are so prone to such nuttery.
I say both sides not to be mean to the Right. The right has always had a strain of paranoia, that the world is out to get them, that there really is a war against Xmas, etc. But they're no more prone than the Left has their own brand of nuttery. Anti-GMO is nuttery, and has its pockets on conspiratards on the fringes. Anti-Vaxx started out among the Hollywood Left crowd, and is still strong. But also stuff like Trump stealing the 2016 election with the help of Putin. Hell, the whole Birther shit thing started with the Hillary campaign during the 2008 Democrat primaries. Lyndon LaRouche was in orbit around the Democrats. Etc.
But conspiracy meetups were largely non-partisan. UFO nuts are decidedly non-partisan, blaming all administrations after FDR for the coverup. But recently one political party made friends with one particular conspiracy theory, and I'm not talking about the wacky LP. Post-Modernism rules, and no evidence is needed. Claims of a kraken's worth of evidence, but none ever thought to actually collect any. Because the narrative is all that matters. It's true because they want it to be true.
It's post-modernist conspiracism: The narrative that matters, and all that matters.
Yup. Truth is socially constructed, and one's Internet bubble of fellow travelers defines reality.
The irony of you saying this.
Remember your summer you defended 2+2=5?
Very well said.
It has been amazing watching the left leaning posters here try to run as far back to the center as they can, yet still focus on the right while claiming both sides.
Idiots trying to validate each other’s idiocy.
"It's post-modernist conspiracism: The narrative that matters, and all that matters."
But can you explain to me how a person who merely posts liberals proving Conservatives' accusations is "post modernist conspiracism"? They are not saying "Disregard the evidence, just listen to the narrative." They are saying "This is what is happening, and here are many many many of the liberals saying that they are doing it."
If there is anyone substituting narrative for evidence it is the people who say that LibsofTikTok is an example of post modern conspiracism. It is the exact opposite. It is presenting facts.
It may take 2 weeks to get an abortion but it takes 4 weeks to see any other doctor because this country has a shortage caused by the government.
How about these pinheads like the authors of this bullshit book list the things that aren't an "assault on democracy" at this point? I suspect that would be a short list.
Of FFS. All the Libs of TikTok Twitter account does is post TikTok videos of woke far left wackos doing and saying retarded shit online. It's not a conspiracy theory when all you're doing is presenting their own words. Stop doing and saying retarded shit and they won't have any content to post, but asking woke wankers to stop being retarded is like asking for water to stop being wet.
But it apparently embarrasses the Democrat establishment and their media allies, so Libs of TikTok must be destroyed. So let's have some hypocritical bitch WaPo reporter dox the account owner and their family and then publish articles explaining to the sheep why Libs of TikTok must be destroyed because "DERPTY DERR ... 'assault on democracy' ... HERP DE DERPITY DERPY DUMB" in order to justify disgusting behavior.
It was predictable being all things Twitter and the hate of the Left. Disgusting.
WaPo Peddles Anti-Semitic Trope In Doxxing Attack On ‘Libs Of TikTok’
https://thefederalist.com/2022/04/19/wapo-peddles-anti-semitic-trope-in-doxxing-attack-on-libs-of-tik-tok/
“At a time when anti-Semitic attacks in the U.S. are at an all-time high, editors at The Washington Post thought it was a good idea to identify a private citizen as an Orthodox Jew, a detail that is entirely irrelevant to the story, then link to said person’s real estate license, including the person’s name, real estate license number, and physical address. The newspaper only removed the link after public pushback.”
Be careful groomer cunt ENB might call you a conspiracy theorist
Im butch, Im alpha, and as a gay man I can take any dyke that comes at me. OTOH, is her husband hot?
Lol. He looks like an effeminate squirrel.
Is he SQRLSY?
Richard Gere, is that you?
"I'm a big fan of Josef Gerbils" - Rick Geer
Yatusabes....That aspect set me off...the antisemitism. WaPo knows the state of affairs in the US, FFS they report it. And to then fan the flames deliberately...that ain't right.
That isn't reporting anymore. It is something else.
On top of the antisemitism, the reporter who doxxed the Libs of TikTok account owner recently cried crocodile tears on camera in an interview talking about she allegedly has PTSD from online bullying, harrassment, and yes, doxxing. And then she proceeds to do the exact same shit to someone else. Disgusting, hypocritical, and I'm just gonna say it - lying cunt. She doesn't have PTSD from online bullying or anything else. If she did, she wouldn't engage in the exact same bullying behavior that she claims caused her alleged "trauma."
They don't report on it, they create it.
It's a targeted harassment campaign
""Except as we've all learned in the decades after 9/11, airplane security measures put in place "temporarily" can actually stretch on indefinitely.""
The full body scanners will only be used as a secondary screening tool.
"If that's true, it means officials are setting "public health rules" not based on actually protecting public health but on saving face and preserving power."
As a libertarian public health activist for the past 40 years (who has criticized many CDC, US SG and FDA tobacco policies because they preserve cigarette consumption and kill more smokers), it's been clear to me that most CDC public health "guidances" and other policy actions are about saving face, and increasing and preserving power.
They conduct junk science, misrepresent their own evidence, ignore/deny contradictory evidence, greatly exaggerate minor risks to confuse, scare and control the sheeple.
Importantly, virtually everyone who works at/for/with the CDC is a Democrat, and most are left wing Bernie Bros.
"libertarian public health activist"
Mutually exclusive.
Might as well just call yourself a libertarian socialist.
"Libertarian public economy activist"
They don't even conduct junk science. There is an entire pipeline now.
A CDC Official goes online and says, "What is very concerning to us is that X might be happening, and we want to be sure." 2 weeks later there are dozens of studies to choose from that happen to confirm that indeed, X is totally happening.
For YEARS, people had rejected the efficacy of masks in meaningfully preventing the spread of disease. YEARS. But as soon as the bat signal went out- as soon as the CDC took one or two outlier studies and presented them- all of a sudden all these studies were hastily completed that 100% contradicted years and years of relatively uncontroversial research.
Conspiracy theories are undergoing a vibe shift. "We used to think of conspiracy theorizing as the province of the X-Files lone weirdo doing a string map on the wall," notes Bonnie Kristian at The Week. This old style of conspiracy mongering revolved around people acting like detectives.
The layers of meta-self-parody here are hilarious. Several seasons consist of and are repeatedly summarized by repeated depictions of Agent Scully reporting to her superiors that the cases were closed on sparse evidence but evidence that vaguely, but irrefutably, points to supernatural phenomenon. IIRC, the only episode of the X-Files actually using a literal string map was Improbability (S9E13). A bit of a self-parody where a killing spree is solved using Numerology and a little help from Burt Reynolds, literally credited as 'Burt/God', in the role. A little non-exhaustive amassing of evidence, rather than innuendo and verbal gesture might prevent you from identifying yourself and your arguments as the target of parody 20 yrs. after the parody aired.
controversial conservative TikTok account Libs of TikTok
Oh, I see. You're calling a TikTok account that reports Liberals' own statements directly, without or only narrow impartial/factual commentary (Taylor Lorenz personal attacks aside), as a 'controversial conservative account'. You actually are a parody of your own self-parody. There is no you. Just parody all the way down.
But who parodies the parodists?
isn't that what we do here every day?
also thanks, mad, for xfiles memory trip. that was a good episode
There is no you. Just parody all the way down.
I couldn't come up with a more succinct definition of clown world and the modern left if I tried.
Isn't Bonnie a Reasonista?
This site is msm trash
So, the other day something exciting happened: I was asked to sign a petition to bring ranked choice voting to my state. This is terrific news and I am very glad that the organizations and people who are spearheading these types of structural reforms as have taken place in Alaska and Maine and elsewhere, are seeking to bring them to other locales.
Electoral reform is vital to restore the health of our Republic. It is shameful that voter participation is so low in this country compared to other Western democracies. And, putting aside for the moment the issue of disenfranchisement, it is understandable why so many people would choose not to vote: look at who they are asked to vote for! For those who buy into the "two-party system" narrative, for election after election, voters are asked to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. So why would they bother trying to discern which crappy candidate is slightly less crappy than the other crappy candidate? They're both crappy! Electoral reform would mean that the visions of more than just two crappy candidates get more widely shared, including of Libertarian candidates, because no longer would voting for a third party candidate be regarded as "throwing your vote away". Furthermore, no longer would Team Red and Team Blue be able to so successfully get away with using nothing but fear and demagoguery against the Other Team to drive voters into their arms - because there would be more than two viable choices, they would be forced to present a more affirmative vision of why voters should vote for them, rather than simply voting to "stop the other team".
Next up I hope we get some movement on trying to expand the size of the House. There is no reason why it should be limited to 435 members in this day and age.
I'm still not certain on ranked choice voting. I will be interested in a few years, after it's been run a few times, to see how it goes in Alaska, Maine, and NYC.
Having seen results so far, I'm increasingly uncomfortable with many types of voting reform. I used to really like them, but I fear they may actually be an imagined panacea for certain politically minded folks. Myself included. We shall see.
I'm also really for the House expansion as well. I'm more willing to argue that on moral as well as practical grounds though. I also think maybe they should move the capital to the middle of the country or something. These are all big moves, and my increasing conservatism (small-c) as I age makes me wonder what the unexpected consequences of it would be.
I'm still not certain on ranked choice voting
All ranked choice voting will do is strengthen the party that already has an electoral upper hand. So if a political district leans Republican in a district where occasionally a Democrat might get elected, it'll more than likely make the district solidly Republican.
The reason is this:
If a district generally leans Republican, a Democrat might occasionally win due to a vote split between an establishment R and an insurgent R, allowing the Democrat to occasionally win on the vote split. With ranked choice voting, the electorate will feel 'safe' voting for both the establishment and the insurgent candidate without "wasting" their vote on one or the other. So think the 1992 Presidential election (or the 2004 Election).
I can vote for George Bush AND Ross Perot as my second choice. With Ranked Choice voting Bush would have probably won in 1992, and Gore might have won in 2004 (although that was a much closer vote).
Having seen results so far, I'm increasingly uncomfortable with many types of voting reform. I used to really like them, but I fear they may actually be an imagined panacea for certain politically minded folks. Myself included. We shall see.
You and I are in the exact same place. I used to be interested in voting reform until I saw several 'voting reform' packages pass in my area which did nothing except make the area crazier and more intensely what it already was.
If a district generally leans Republican, a Democrat might occasionally win due to a vote split between an establishment R and an insurgent R, allowing the Democrat to occasionally win on the vote split. With ranked choice voting, the electorate will feel 'safe' voting for both the establishment and the insurgent candidate without "wasting" their vote on one or the other. So think the 1992 Presidential election (or the 2004 Election).
I am not sure this is right.
In the current Top Two system, in your scenario, there would not be three candidates on the ballot (D, establishment R, insurgent R), there would be only two. So if the D won, it would be because, in part, the R-inclined voters stayed home because they didn't like their choice of R candidate. And if one is a committed R, that is really one's only recourse when confronted with an R candidate that you find unacceptable. This group of voters, in the current system, is instead lumped in with all of the other nonvoters who didn't vote for any myriad of other reasons. So the eventual winning candidate really does not know what the preferences of the constituents in his/her district really are. All we would see is the two-party vote share: "Candidate R beat Candidate D by 54% to 46%" or whatever, but if the preferences of all of the willing voters would have been tallied, it would have been a lot more complicated.
Also, if we really do have "ranked choice voting" in any widespread way, we will see the unraveling of the two parties themselves, which as we know each one is really a coalition with skeptical partners who pretend to like each other in order to ride each other's coattails into power. Because practically speaking there ARE only two routes to power, either Team Red or Team Blue. But if some members of each coalition discover that they don't have to join up with people that they don't really like in order to be elected, then we won't have just two major parties anymore. Which is a good thing.
I would submit that if you observe ranked choice voting "entrenching" the party that already has an upper hand, it is because RCV reveals preferences of voters that were already there, that instead were obscured by a Top Two system. Which is in itself a good thing that the electoral process reveals the preferences of voters, regardless of which party stands to gain.
FYI, I came up with my theory independently, but here's a political scientist on his skepticism over RCV.
This is the academic way of saying what I said in my comment.
In districts that aren't highly polarized, the opposition party candidate occasionally wins if the establishment party candidate can't unify his or xer party.
I think you also fail to recognize that my 'mock' scenario is more often the way local elections tend to turn out where party preference is more closely divided between two major parties, but generally 'leans' towards one. You see MORE compromise because candidates fear dark horse also-rans as splitting their vote and tilting the election for the opposition. I (and the esteemed polisci professor) see it the same way.
I simply don't see 'ranked choice voting' as 'unraveling the two party system'. Instead, I see it getting hardened.
Thank you for using political science in the correct field, politics.
Under RCV, parties have less reason to unify, less popular candidates have less reason to drop out of the race, and potential voters have less reason to compromise in deciding their vote. Voters can stand their ground in favor of their first choice candidate without fear of helping to elect the opposition’s candidate.
I don't see anything wrong with any of that.
The parties that exist right now aren't really united - they are loose coalitions. If RCV finally allows them to drop the pretense, then that's fine by me.
If voters have less reason to compromise - again, what's the problem?
"Voters can stand their ground in favor of their first choice candidate without fear of helping to elect the opposition’s candidate." - That is a major PLUS.
Right, but nothing you said refutes my point. There's no need to compromise, no need to worry about standing my ground, so vote for George H.W. Bush AND Ross Perot, and if Ross Perot doesn't win, George H.W. Bush still wins office.
While there are occasionally surprises in politics (Trump was one as he pulled off a surprising number of nominal Democratic voters in both 2016 and 2020) usually a dark horse or insurgent candidate predominantly draws votes away from one party only.
I understand that different elections are run differently, primaries etc and might get different results in practice under RCV. But in our two party system, close elections can tip either way. If the Republican in the Republican-leaning district has to modulate his message to attract the Democrats on the rich side of town while fighting an insurgent Tea Party candidate who's trying to unseat the RINO, then those voters can safely vote for the RINO and the Trumpian candidate, and the office won't tip to Kirsten Sinema because of a divided vote.
And that outcome might be fine for you. I live in a solidly blue district where RCV probably wouldn't make a difference anyway. But in those districts which over just barely in one direction or another, I suspect it will make them solidly RED or BLUE.
And I have seen the results of other types of electoral reform in my district (Democracy vouchers). Nikita Oliver STILL doesn't win the election for mayor, but I was still forced to contribute to her campaign whether I wanted to or not.
All ranked choice voting will do is strengthen the party that already has an electoral upper hand.
You have to, in context, make a bunch of assumptions about the objectivity of voting as an expression of preference that don't even pass superficial inspection to get to the notion that single-vote vs. RCV will make a significant difference to begin with. And some of the assumptions essentially make single-vote and rank choice degenerate. Specifically, if you're voting oppositionally, ranked choice still dilutes out your opposition. You might make the argument that, with rank choice, you wouldn't *have* to vote oppositionally, but that doesn't change the assumptions that voting for party A doesn't guarantee policy A, much less a preference for A, policy or party.
Asserting it would give us more moderate, representative leaders, and popular policies assumes politicians are objective, consistent, and don't lie.
BUCS, good to see you around again!
Ranked Choice Voting is not a panacea, it is not a magic bullet, it is just one reform that we can try. I'm broadly in favor of anything that will increase turnout, increase choice for voters among candidates, and basically increase trust in the concept of self-governance itself.
Here is a larger discussion on increasing the size of the House:
https://www.amacad.org/ourcommonpurpose/recommendation-1-1
Yeah, I've seen that. The house expansion I tend to agree with more. The current system is really at odds with the concept of the house.
I'm also with Sarcasmic though about the 17a. So, who knows. Maybe I just hate everything.
Maybe I just hate everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD94dVu8lqQ
I also think maybe they should move the capital to the middle of the country or something.
With modern technology there's really no reason why Congress should have to even meet in person for most votes, and no reason why it should have to be in Washington, DC. I could see a requirement for meeting in person for some important votes, particularly ones that are explicitly required by the constitution (declaring war, passing the yearly budget, etc.) but for votes on bills to, say, rename a highway or some other worthless shit just vote over Zoom or something.
For the rare in person votes, they could meet anywhere with a large enough venue to hold them all. That way they could leave the executive branch and all the various agencies and departments and the Supreme Court in DC and not have to go to the expense of moving all of them and building a new capital and all that shit.
The worst thing that ever happened to the republic was the passage of the 17A.
I would argue the 16th, but the 17th is a close second.
the entire Wilson trio 16 --> 18
Eh, not really. The reality is, by time the 17A was ratified, a majority of states was already directly electing their senators in some form or fashion anyway. The 17A was more of a recognition of reality on the ground.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xvii/interps/147
Regardless the result was states having no representation in the federal government, paving the way for federal blackmail and unfunded mandates that I doubt would have happened if the Senate was not popularly elected.
yes.
sarcasmic....we agree on the 17th. The worst.
You're the worst. What were we talking about again?
It is shameful that voter participation is so low in this country compared to other Western democracies.
Who actually gives a fuck about participation rates?
Those that show up should be the only ones counted.
Should the government represent the will of the governed, or not? The lower the participation rates, the less that the government has perceived legitimacy. Since I am not an anarchist, I do want the elected government to be perceived as legitimate.
Since elections are predicated on participation, the actual percentage is irrelevant. Are you in favor of mandatory voting?
This assumes that remaining silent is not a form of consent.
It could be. But look at all the other Western democracies where voter participation routinely exceeds 80%, and in this country we consider it a "win" if voter participation cracks 60%. In those other countries, why aren't more people "consenting through silence"? Why are their rates higher than ours?
"The new conspiracism dispenses with the burden of explanation. Instead, we have innuendo and verbal gesture … conspiracy without the theory."
Kristian suggests that community has replaced sleuthing—"conspiracism now is a group project"—and that this is embodied by the controversial conservative TikTok account Libs of TikTok.
Huh, as I started reading this, I was sure this dude was talking about the Steele Dossier, Russian Collusion and that type of thing. Then he references an account that literally takes the words of the crazies on the left, retweets them without edit or commentary, and that's the threat to democracy? How is libsOfTikTok a "conspiracy"?
Oh wait, accusing libsofTikTok as being a 'conspiracy theory' IS the conspiracy theory. Well played, well played. You don't need any evidence, just innuendo. It's a group media project. Got it.
the Steele Dossier, Russian Collusion and that type of thing.
But those weren't community driven. They were concocted and disseminated by centralized power structures.
'I was sure this dude was talking about the Steele Dossier, Russian Collusion and that type of thing,' any and all of the blueAnon hypocrisy. Mailboxes on trucks was one of the first things that came to mind, with that dipshit jamie lee curtis freaking out.
FYI, I pointed out this libsofTikTok controversy to a friend last night-- pointing out that the left is having a menstrual freak-out over an account that literally just retweets crazies without edit or comment.
He quipped back to me:
"If you want to piss of a conservative, lie to him.
If you want to piss off a liberal, tell him the truth."
It's not even telling them anything, it's just holding up a mirror.
Like your sensitive little sister in the back seat, sometimes its just looking at her.
I'm not familiar with what exactly Disney's "self-governing status" means in practice, but at first blush this sounds like some kind of crony capitalist deal that DeSantis is threatening to revoke. I'm not sure how this can possibly be spun as "socialist" as our galaxy brained CO governor did in his idiotic tweet. In fact, aren't we as libertarians supposed to be against crony capitalist carve outs for huge mega-corporations (including the inevitable crony carveouts that I'm sure our super genius (sarcasm) CO governor would give out to Disney in exchange for a "Mountain Disneyland")?
Granted, one could argue that DeSantis is doing this for the wrong reason, and I don't think I would disagree. Using threats of revoking a sweetheart cronyist carve out to punish a private corporation for its political speech is not ideal, to say the least. But I guess the question is, is the end result a net good worth trampling on a corporate entities free speech rights? Anyway, this comment is kind of rambling because it's pretty much just stream of consciousness. This is the first I've heard of this, and I haven't fully thought this shit through.
I'm not sure how this can possibly be spun as "socialist" as our galaxy brained CO governor did in his idiotic tweet.
That shit was fucking hilarious. Real "Dems R Da Reel Rayciss!"-type energy.
"at first blush this sounds like some kind of crony capitalist deal that DeSantis is threatening to revoke"
It was, essentially making the company its own government. Corporatism is bad, but so are Company Raj's. Disney is an American version of the East India Company.
Even before Disney embarked on the path of NAMBLA advocacy people wanted it's special privileges removed.
You do realize Disney has a whole team at their theme parks to lookout for and stop child abductions/child abuse?
Disney has a long history of covering up sexual abuse scandals you credulous fuck. That's the only thing that the "team" is for.
All the articles I'm going to post date from BEFORE the current Desantis scrap.
Theme park employees caught in sex stings, child porn arrests
"Kingsolver, 49, is one of at least 35 Disney employees arrested since 2006 and accused of sex crimes involving children"
<a href="https://neonnettle.com/news/16177-several-disney-employees-arrested-in-major-pedophile-ring-bust-nasty-nasty-people-"Several Disney Employees Arrested in Major Pedophile Ring Bust: 'Nasty, Nasty People'
Did Disney Cruise Lines Cover Up Sexual Molestation of 11 Year Old Girl on Disney Dream?
Walt Disney Vice President Michael Laney has been sentenced to six years in prison following an investigation relating to child sex abuse.
Different Disney Cruise incident.
Parents sue Disney Cruise Line for $20M over sexual assault of 3-year-old daughter
17 arrested for child pornography include Disney employees
Massive Florida Sex Sting, More Than 100 Arrested Including Three Disney Employees
How many Mormons and Catholics have been caught diddling kids, yet you love them?
Of course when you employee tens of thousands of people a few will be bad apples.
Disney employees plain clothed security details at their parks because having that many kids in one place will attract predators. Including some who work there to get to kids.
ML the aspie incel has 0 common sense.
Trying to change the subject now that you're feeling butthurt and retarded for being a dishonest bitch?
"Oh, ohh, oh yeah? Mormons and Catholics!!!"
Fucking pathetic. The internet kiddiepool is that way, idiotboy ===>
How did I change the subject you lying aspie incel?
We were talking about Disney advocacy and suppression, but you go running to squeal about Mormons and Catholics. Which I think you figure is some sort of gotcha, but actually are irrelevant because I'm neither.
Predictable but pathetic, Shrike.
I was pointing out you fascists are all of a sudden concerned about child molestation when it suits you politically.
I’ve been bringing up LDS molestation cases and you just lie about me or stick up for your fascist pal magic underwear bitch boy.
Goddamn you aspie incels can be thick!
Loser
I figured ML the aspie incel would know that. You know all sorts of useless BS. Too bad you have 0 common sense.
Not done looking retarded I see. A Disney vice-president going to jail for kiddie fiddling isn't enough?
Will Demi Lovato’s Sexual Assault Revelations Finally Put a Dent in Disney’s Purity Culture?
"Lovato discloses a shattering event: “I lost my virginity in a rape,” she says. She was 15, working for Disney at the time. The perpetrator was another actor, whom she does not name. She told an adult, she says, but nothing happened, and the two actors had to continue working together. “My #MeToo story,” Lovato says, “is me telling somebody that somebody did this to me, and they never got in trouble for it. They never got taken out of the movie they were in.”
It seems odd that Disney—a company that trades in paid images of children and has devoted a peculiar amount of energy to branding its stars as virginal—has never taken any kind of formal responsibility for apparently failing to safeguard people like Lovato from sexual abuse."
Ricky Garcia’s Mother Details Alleged Sexual Abuse Suffered While Working at Disney
"Ultimately, despite the message and a conference call with Bohl and Ricky wherein the two confirmed the abuse, no action was taken against Harte, who currently represents another Disney boy band, In Real Life.
When asked if Disney was protecting pedophiles, Tammy strongly asserted “Yes, they are. Disney is protecting pedophiles.”
Disney under fire after ABC News’ Jeffrey Epstein CoverUp exposed
Of course it's not all about banging little kids. Here's some more douchebaggery and coverups by the least accountable place on earth.
The Dark Side of Disney: Creepy Facts About “The Happiest Place on Earth"
“Not done looking retarded”
Keep projecting ML the aspie incel.
Just like when you claimed my going after Mormons was sexual. You were the one projecting sex onto it you sick fuck.
ML the aspie incel!
"Keep projecting"
12 different citations that all demolish your retarded assertion isn't "projection", it's a beatdown.
"aspie incel!"
Are we suddenly on 4chan? Must be reddit because "incel" is the lefty version of "cuck". Also, do you even know what "incel" stands for?
12 cases of molestation associated with Disney vs the thousands associated with the Catholic Church and LDS church.
Check mate ya aspie incel.
I don’t keep up on the fascist lingo but I know you’re a pathetic troll who has never been laid.
"12 cases of molestation associated with Disney"
12? Too fucking scared to read those citations, Shrike? I gave 12 "citations". They covered hundreds and hundreds of cases?
"vs the thousands associated with the Catholic Church and LDS church.
Check mate"
So what? Did you think I'm some sort of Mormon Catholic hybrid and this should somehow be relevant to me? Mormon Catholics have diddled kids so that makes Disney okay? What's your point?
Mind you with 1.3 billion baptized Catholics worldwide, if they fucked kids at the same ratio as 190,000 Disney employees do, there'd be barely a kid on earth unfucked.
You're really too stupid to to troll here, Shrike. Have you tried 9Gag?
You sue love kissing Mormon and conservative Christian ass. You sure love downplaying their transgressions while constantly crying about leftists transgressions.
How many priests and Mormon bishops worldwide? Comparing the number of Catholics worldwide vs number of kids who’ve attended Disney parks would be more fair.
ML the aspie incel.
The child molestation done by the Catholic and LDS churches was institutionalized. Those institutions are rotten.
Disney at least tries to do the right thing.
Mormons only care about ramming their beliefs down everyone’s throats and money. If kids get molested it’s just part of heavenly father’s plan.
ML the aspie incel is a despicable apologist for child rapists.
Disney at least tries to do the right thing
Four of those incidents cited above conclusively demonstrate that Disney most definitely didn't try to do the right thing, in fact doing the opposite. They ignored, buried, lied and bribed.
"a despicable apologist for child rapists"
You literally were just being this when you said "'Disney at least tries to do the right thing".
You're too dumb to troll here. Almost everything you post ends up a self own.
You suck mormon and Catholic cock(figuratively because you’re a homophobe) despite them having way bigger and more publicized molestation problems than Disney you far right fuck. You and all the other far right looks are only criticizing Disney over it now that they’re standing up to Desantis’s and other GOP attacks on free speech in classrooms.
I like Mormons, I know some great ones. I know some fantastic Catholics too. I don't share their beliefs, but I think they're great people who have a positive impact on humanity.
I like Parsi, Hindus, Druze, Evangelicals, Buddhists and Shintoists.
I also really like Muslims, and (this is really going to piss you off), I like Jews. I think Jews are great.
Funny that an extremist lefty like you has no religious tolerance, but somehow you imagine that your the tolerant one.
The only people I uniformly dislike are ban-evading edgelord trolls like you.
“Edgelord”
NEEERRRDDD!!!!
Haha what a fucking loser!
Again please cite me being anti-Semitic.
I have nothing against religion. I have many religious friends and family. I hate Mormons because they force their disproven beliefs and bigotry on others.
I was pointing out that far right kooks like you don’t care about molestation if it doesn’t suit your political agenda. The Catholic Church and LDS Church have far worse and well documented molestation problems, but you don’t care because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Btw: you of all people should not like Mormons. You know there’s a whole industry of kidnapping autistic kids and forcing them into institutions and camps in Utah?
Hell, people have been arguing for years that Disney's copyrights should have been put in the public domain a long time ago.
Yeah. IP could use reform in general. I'd prefer it not come from people being pissed at any company specifically though.
I don't think any of this is going to happen though. Too low attention span for esoteric legal reforms.
happy holiday!
"Culture war conservatism leads to less private industry freedom for the pettiest of reasons," Scott Shackford lamented yesterday.
Reason is getting into an almost Rain-man like habit of finding the one conservative with defensive knife wounds on his hands and mocking him for engaging in "Kulcherrr warrr hurr durrr".
Note how it's nearly always--"culture war conservatism" that's explicitly condemned, not the liberals for actually kicking off the war in the first place.
It's like blaming the Union for the south firing on Fort Sumter.
Note how it's nearly always--"culture war conservatism" that's explicitly condemned, not the liberals for actually kicking off the war in the first place.
"And then, for no particular Reason at all, the German people decided to elect Adolf Hitler..."
Right...Compare the two leads to this story:
1) On the one hand we have DeSantis using the power of the government to get certain politically controversial subjects out of the schools. The response? Those terrible conservatives and their Kulture Warz!
2) On the other hand we have a person showing post after post after post of liberals who are using their power as government agents to get certain politically controversial subjects INTO SCHOOLS. The Response? Those terrible conservatives and their conspiracy theories.
This is the soft double treatment that gets ENB so much hate here.
Since when did "vibe shift" become a thing?
Considering I learned a "vibe check" is getting punched in the balls. I fear that a "vibe shift" might be something even more horrifying.
Who knows, it's undoubtedly the new Zoomer hotness phrase.
Always attribute one's worst traits, motives and tactics to political/ideological opponents: '"conspiracism now is a group project"—and that this is embodied by the controversial conservative TikTok account Libs of TikTok.' Beyond being a risible interpretation, it is little more than an opportunistic attempt to steer outrage, while directing the social media fuckwits to dogpile.
Well well well. Look who's at it again.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/04/19/desantis-signs-bill-limiting-tenure-at-florida-public-universities/
“We need to make sure the faculty are held accountable and make sure they don’t just have tenure forever without having any type of ways to hold them accountable or evaluate what they’re doing,” DeSantis said. “It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are and, frankly, the priorities of the parents throughout the state of Florida.”
Professors exist to serve the priorities of the state. Got it.
“That’s what this bill is about,” Sprowls said. “Are (students) going to walk into a university system that’s more about indoctrination than it is about getting getting jobs someday and learning skills and the subject matter necessary to get a job? Or is it about some sort of radical political agenda that a particular professor that’s been told they get a lifetime job is going to tell them they have to believe to get an A in their class?”
Aand here we have it. Universities are supposed to exist as job-training factories so graduates can get jobs. But professors at universities who talk about controversial subjects in class, well, those professors are "radical" and "indoctrinating".
But I do have to hand it to DeSantis: he is illustrating, by his actions, why tenure is important in the first place.
"Professors exist to serve the priorities of the state. Got it."
Yes.
That is what happens when you employ someone, you expect them to work for you.
This is of course the problem with public schools in a nutshell. The institution is the rope in an idealogical tug of war.
Get rid of public schools entirely, problem solved.
The woke liberal management class that runs the state has turned public universities into stalinist indoctrination centers, all minds in lock step. Even the most minor of detractions or variations on a theme results in students shutting down discussion, violent riots and physical attacks on the speakers.
They schools and professors DO exist to the serve the priorities of the state, and they are currently doing so.
Florida is just asserting some new priorities . Other states are leaving things as they are. Because of their priorities.
We'll, aren't public universities *public goods*? Do they not exist to teach people the things *society* needs them to know? Is not the government the arbiter of that?
Because it seems you agree that it is - as long as it does what you want it to.
But when it says a different thing should be taught or not taught all of a sudden it's all about academic freedom.
No
Public
Schools
Means
No
Public
Schools
Hey you are right, it would be better if the schools weren't subject to the narrow partisan whims of state legislatures. My ideal is that schools are privatized and that each one serves to its students a classically liberal education tailored to the needs and desires of its clients, the students and parents. But while schools are not privatized, while they remain public, I am going to advocate that the curriculum that they serve is one that is classically liberal, and that doesn't serve the narrow partisan interests of either Team Red or Team Blue. And if I were the raging leftie that the trolls around here claim that I am, I would be demanding that schools teach all sorts of woke bullshit as fact. But I'm not. I want critical thinkers, not warriors for wokeism, and not zealots for Trumpism either.
well at this point, the schools are comprehensively, utterly and totally in service of Team Blue and everyone knows that.
Thank God somebody limited the fossil profs from failing at their most basic job: training their replacements.
Don't say barista!
Fucking Weinstein and his KulturWar bullshit!
But things have changed. Now, "there is no punctilious demand for proofs, no exhaustive amassing of evidence, no dots revealed to form a pattern, no close examination of the operators plotting in the shadows," write Nancy L. Rosenblum and Russell Muirhead in A Lot of People Are Saying: The New Conspiracism and the Assault on Democracy. "The new conspiracism dispenses with the burden of explanation. Instead, we have innuendo and verbal gesture … conspiracy without the theory."
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Well, yeah. Now the conspirators put out books and hold conferences where they tell you exactly what they plan to do.
"Conspiracy theories" are everything that the Democratic Party isn't ready to admit to yet.
ML the aspie incel doesn’t believe in conspiracy theories. Just that the WEF controls everything on earth and is coming to Cranbrook or Kamloops or whatever backwards shithole he lives in to hunt him down.
Hey KAR, you ban-evading anti-Semitic freakshow. Doxx any more widows for shits and giggles lately?
Speaking of conspiracy theories, tell us again about QAnon insurrectionists and their fully-automatic, assault-type fire extinguishers.
Where have I talked about “fully automatic, assault-type fire extinguishers?”
However stupid, and I’ll prepared those saps were they’re still traitors in my opinion.
I guess criticizing Mormons using the k word makes me an anti-Semite according to ML the lying aspie incel.
I call you antisemitic because you are, you ban evading piece-of-shit.
Please cite me being anti-Semitic? You couldn’t you lying fucking scumbag!
ML the aspie incel caught lying again!
How do is that a lie, Goebbels? You also said a whole bunch of antisemitic stuff under your DOL sock, Shrike, when you weren't claiming to be a 7 foot tall Navy Seal.
I can’t control what other people post you lying fuck.
ML the aspie incel caught lying again.
Or simply post videos on TikTok where they do the same thing.
Having attended several academic conferences in the last 20-odd years, I can tell you that I saw this shit coming down the pike years ago, but it didn't really kick off until the far more radical Gen-X grad students, who were steeped in political correctness ethics in the 80s and 90s, started taking over from the New Left Boomers in the 2000s and took those ethics to their logical conclusion--that anything on the margins must be brought to the center, and anything at the center must be marginalized. They then further radicalized the Millennials and now the Zoomers.
That's why you saw so many corporations start spouting woke nonsense since Occupy, and why so much current advertising features a demographic that still only makes up 13% of the population after 30-odd years of academics in that demographic spouting eugenicist nonsense about the magical superiority of their skin color.
So this whole Round-Up was an epic shitshow today. It should be a major embarassment.
Par for the course, really. And they're impervious to shame.
Sure, because?
Conspiracy theories are undergoing a vibe shift. "We used to think of conspiracy theorizing as the province of the X-Files lone weirdo doing a string map on the wall," notes Bonnie Kristian at The Week.
The string map on the wall was really more the province of Homeland than The X-Files, though the X-Files did sort of poke fun at the idea in one of their last episodes when Mulder and Scully were middle-aged and show was almost entirely a self-parody.
Glenn Greenwald: WashPost's Doxing of @LibsOfTikTok Reveals Who Corporate Journalists See as Their Targets
Shorter: Learn something, Reason.
It's kind of insane that DeSantis is moving to punish Disney for opposing a law that is, quite frankly, insane and harmful to children.
The law's supporters assert that it only restricts teaching sexual matters to children of 3rd grade and under. It is not clear if they are right or not, the law is vaguely worded. But the thing to keep in mind is that children of that age are not generally interested in sex. The main motivation for teaching kids that age about sex is to either satisfy their abstract curiosity, or to warn them about groomers and molesters. That last part is particularly important, keeping kids informed about sex allows them to recognize grooming for what it is before it is too late.
Either way, supporting that bill makes you look really bad. The best case scenario is that you enjoy keeping kids in ignorance about questions they are naturally curious about, like where babies come from. 3rd graders are way too old to still think babies come from storks or cabbage patches. Worst case scenario is that you're upset that kids are being warned about groomers and molesters.
I hope that the majority of the bill's supporters are "just" trying to keep kids ignorant, but I am afraid a large amount of them are probably worried about kids being warned. Modern conservatism has an unfortunate tendency to try to sweep accusations of child molestation and statutory rape under the rug. Roy Moore got nearly half the votes in Alabama for God's sake! Traditional conservative family values encourage molestation by teaching kids to obey adults without question and encouraging adults to treat it as a personal matter to be resolved within the family instead of a crime. I think that's why they they keep accusing liberals of promoting pedophilia, they're trying to deflect suspicion from themselves. They want this law passed and kept in place so that no one can warn kids about what they're up to. They're furious and terrified that companies like Disney are taking a stand against them.
Ah, just like "snowflakes" and "cancel culture," you're trying to do the flip on the term "grooming." Good luck with that.