Coronavirus

Will COVID-19 Kill the Constitution?

Politicians and the public are alarmingly willing to violate civil liberties in the name of fighting the epidemic.

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The great American jurist St. George Tucker, writing at the beginning of the 19th century, called the right to armed self-defense "the true palladium of liberty" and "the first law of nature." But California Gov. Gavin Newsom thinks that right, guaranteed by the Second Amendment, is optional.

After Newsom ordered "nonessential" businesses to close in response to the COVID-19 epidemic, he let local sheriffs decide whether that category included gun dealers. Newsom's decision, which allowed Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva to unilaterally ban the sale of firearms and ammunition, illustrates how readily politicians ignore constitutional rights in the very circumstances where they matter most.

Villanueva's ban, which several gun rights groups challenged in a federal lawsuit last Friday, was inconsistent with recent guidance from the Department of Homeland Security as well as the Second Amendment. In an advisory published on Saturday, the department added firearm retailers to its definition of the "essential critical infrastructure workforce," which Newsom explicitly exempted from his order.

On Monday, Villanueva, who describes himself as "a supporter of the Second Amendment" but nevertheless suggests that keeping guns for self-protection is irresponsible, rescinded his ban, citing the new federal guidelines. New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy, whose business closure order initially covered gun stores, likewise recognized them as "essential" after seeing the federal advisory.

Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf also deigned to allow firearm sales, but only after three members of the state Supreme Court said "it is incumbent upon the Governor to make some manner of allowance for our citizens to continue to exercise this constitutional right." Notably, that rebuke came in a dissent from a March 22 decision summarily denying a challenge to Wolf's violation of the Second Amendment.

The reversals by Murphy and Wolf, who are now allowing firearm sales by appointment and in compliance with social distancing rules, show that shutting down gun stores was never necessary to curtail transmission of COVID-19. But their reluctance to respect the Second Amendment and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's unwillingness to intervene do not bode well for civil liberties at a time when many people seem to think that fighting the pandemic trumps all other concerns.

To "save the nation" from COVID-19, Cornell law professor Michael Dorf argued two weeks ago, Congress should suspend the writ of habeas corpus, an ancient common-law right that allows people detained by the government to demand a justification. Yet the Constitution says "the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."

Although neither of those circumstances applies, Dorf suggested that the spread of the COVID-19 virus from other countries to the United States could be construed as an invasion. While "no one knows" whether the courts would accept that interpretation, since "Congress has only ever suspended habeas in wartime," Dorf said, "there is reason to think that the courts would dismiss a habeas case following nearly any congressional suspension."

In a recent survey of 3,000 Americans, the University of Chicago's Adam Chilton and three other law professors found bipartisan agreement that "now is the time to violate the Constitution," as they put it. The survey asked whether the respondents would support various constitutionally dubious policy responses to the epidemic.

Sizable majorities of both Democrats and Republicans favored confining people to their homes, detaining sick people in government facilities, banning U.S. citizens from entering the country, government takeovers of businesses, conscription of health care workers, suspension of religious services, and even criminalizing the spread of "misinformation" about the virus. "Even when we explicitly told half of our sample that the policies may violate the Constitution," Chilton et al. report, "the majority supported all eight of them," including the speech restrictions.

"After the threat has subsided," the law professors conclude, "Americans must recognize any constitutional violations for what they were, lest they become the new normal." By then, it may be too late.

© Copyright 2020 by Creators Syndicate Inc.

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  1. Twice I’ve heard “the Constitution is not a suicide pact” as justification for all the abuses of it mentioned in this article.
    Once that idea becomes widespread it will be courts that amend it, not the people.

    1. If the highest of laws is not a suicide pact, then no lesser law can be either. When the definition of ‘suicide’ is broadened to the point that minor personal inconvenience is considered suicide, then there can be no pretense of rule of law.

      Instead, we’re left with might makes right. And even the government cannot be mighty everywhere at once.

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      3. especially as long as that God-given right, the one that predates the government and does not derive from it, remains in place, whether legal or otherwise.

      4. So, you call heading towards 30% unemployment – worse than the Great Depression – a “minor personal inconvenience”?
        I wish everyone, who advocates this destruction of the economy, would immediately have any income stripped from them with a warning that they may never see it again.
        That’s the “minor personal inconvenience” millions have suffered.

    2. Fearless Fosdick wins!
      For you younger folks, he was a comic strip cop known for killing people to keep them from becoming crime victims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearless_Fosdick

  2. No duh. Not really that big of a deal during a global pandemic. The temporary suspension of basic liberties is justified if necessary to secure even more basic liberties.

    1. destroying someone’s business or putting them out of a job when they are living paycheck to paycheck is not a “temporary suspension of basic liberties”, it’s an assault on their lives and property, one driven not by medical necessity but by panic and the desire to be seen as a strong leader who is “doing something”.

      There are alternative ways to respond to deadly new viruses, from letting nature run its course to shutting down public gatherings to voluntary social distancing to advising at-risk populations to self-isolate, without putting millions of people out of work and destroying their businesses.

      1. IMO- i’d rather put millions of ppl out of work than put millions in the ground, and I don’t think you have the right data or information to make the argument you’re making (not saying I do either, most is probably not in public view).

        1. Putting tens of millions in desperation or ruin could also cause millions of untimely deaths. Our governments are acting as if there’s nothing in the other pan of the scale.

          1. Could also create millions of desperate people who resort to crime because they’re hungry.

            1. That’s already happening.

            2. The millions out of work was going to happen one way or the other. Just look at every country on this planet. They’re all shutting down to keep the virus from spreading. You can’t control their decisions and the world shutting down would have fucked our economy. Plus our economy would have been hammered if 2 million people died from this. Hospitals would have shut down for most everything else from the strain of treating the 2 million dead people. It would have been even more disastrous had we not taken these preventive measures assuming the 2 million dead number. I don’t think you can argue with that?

              1. It’s gonna be shitty no matter how you slice it.

                All I can say is keep the windows locked and have a loaded handgun somewhere. I’ve got mine in one of those four button safes.

                1. As I’ve said for years, the choice will come down to tolerating the existence of millions of committed progressives, or doing something decisive to stop them. When the time comes they will have no problem eliminating people like libertarians.

                  And don’t talk about the NAP. That only works when both sides practice it.

                  1. Don’t confuse the NAP with pacifism.

                2. A gun in a safe is useless carry your gun at all times or at lest next to you while watching the world crumble on tv

              2. “…I don’t think you can argue with that?”

                Argue with a pile of unsupported hypotheticals?
                You bet I can argue with that pile of bullshit.

              3. NEWS FLASH, dood…. a couple hundred deaths so far of people who had the virus….. which by now, according to the dire predictions, should have numbered in the tens of thousands. Further, the VAST MAJOTRITY of those who have died did NOT die OF or BECAUSE of corona virus. Eight out of ten dead in the US had prexisting serious health issues that almost certainly would have put them in the ground within another few months…. but got the virus IN ADDITION to their underlying preexisting condition, and that helped them on their way out. In Italy, half the dead had THREE comorbidity factors in place before the virus came along. The fact tjhey tested positive for this virus made the lying health officials put taht death down to the virus…….. they did NOT die FROM coronavirus, they died WITH it.
                If you were driving to the hospital to get a hernia repaired and someone ran a redlight plowed into the driver’s door of your car whilst running a red light, and you died in the ambulance on the way to hospital, would they write down cause of death as “trauma in result of a motor car crash”, or would they write it down against the hernia you were on the way to have repaired?

                That rest home in Kirkland listed some fifty people as “corona virus deaths”, Well ALL of them were on the way out, else they’d not have BEEN in that place.

                There are lies, damn lies, and statistics, and the One World government crowd are masters at scamming statistics. And the gullible rubes swallow their bull puckey, inured to the wretched character of their sorry selves.

              4. Most of those 2,000,000 would likely voluntarily change their behaviors in order to prevent untimely demises.

                It is not so hard for someone to completely quarantine themselves if they so choose.

                Let everyone choose their own personal risk level.

                “detaining sick people in government facilities” is the only one I sort of agree with. Make it very comfortable and offer full care, and I can live with it. Because it is the only one on the list with a short, defined time-frame attached to it.

                1. Let everyone choose their own personal risk level.

                  Barbaric.
                  How can you invent some God-Given Right for an infected person to infect 2.5 more (on average), and kill.

        2. >>put millions in the ground

          wasn’t going to happen.

        3. Funny you are not so concerned when your government puts millions of innocent people in the ground with their phony war of empire in the middle east, while pilfering the middle east oil and resources. I guess dropping bombs on innocent people is not the same as being killed by the virus…so it is OK?

        4. Are you willing to lose your income to back that up? Or are you one of those getting paid to “work from home” which translates to sitting on your ass.

    2. Justified only if you believe that ignoring the Constitution is justified.

      The Constitution has been thoroughly violated ever since the Civil War. It has long since become normal for judges to ignore it, and we have moved on to the point of legislatures and executives to join in on the fun.

      I sometimes think it will eventually end in rebellion again, but not for some while. Other times I think technology will come to the rescue, making shadow economies, societies, and governance so normal that government as we know it today will continue in its present state and become increasingly irrelevant, as jobs, markets, and society shift into dark webs meat space government is simply too slow and inept to have anything to say. People might end up using the rump government for a few things which only affect 1% of their life, and at that point no one will really care what the Constitution was or how it has been mangled.

      Whether either outcome is a fantasy or not, I cannot even begin to guess.

      1. Thank you for your insightful comments on the American judiciary’s ignorance of the constitution. I had no clue that, “It has long since become normal for judges to ignore it.” I wonder what all those constitutional law experts and licensed attorneys did while in law school- probably conniver about pretending to care about the constitution later on in their careers!

        1. The sad thing is, what you seem to be saying with sarcasm (“pretending to care about the constitution later on in their careers”) is exactly what they are doing.

        2. I wonder what all those constitutional law experts and licensed attorneys did while in law school- probably conniver about pretending to care about the constitution later on in their careers!

          I do too. The U.S. Constitution doesn’t grant rights, it recognizes natural rights. These esteemed “constitutional law experts and licensed attorneys” of yours have no concern for human rights, their metier is finding ways to drive desired outcomes with a patina of constitutionality . Read up on these for fun:

          Dred Scott v. Sandford
          Buck v. Bell: Three generations of imbeciles are enough.
          Korematsu v. United States
          Wickard v. Filburn
          Slaughter-Houses Cases
          Kelo v. City of New London

          If you are okay with the decisions in each of those cases you are in the wrong place.

          /penaltax

          1. Lawrence vs Texas.
            Roe vs Wade
            Obergefell
            Heller only went about a quarter of the way to correct

        3. “conniver about pretending to care about the constitution later on in their careers!”

          You must know the same attorneys I do!

        4. He did not say ‘ignorance’, he said ‘ignoring’. If it were in fact mere ignorance, that would be more excusable.

        5. Not only has it become commonplace for many judges to ignore the actual constitution but many of the judgement are based on unconstitutional precedent or even foreign standards. TR famously said that he could do anything unless it was expressly prohibited by the Constitution in spite of the clear written document that states the exact opposite. Obama stated in a State of the Union Address, where he chastised Supreme Court Justices for following the Constitution, that if Congress didn’t Act, he would. The Firearms Act of 1928 is clearly unconstitutional but you have to be a convicted felon in order to have standing and challenge the law. Few want to take that chance. Papers written at the time of the Miller case stated, for example, that the reason the law is not unconstitutional is there is no valid reason for a short barreled (shotgun) in war. One only needed to look at the trench guns used in WWI to see the fallacy of this statement. Several Supreme Court Justices (Ginsburg and Stevens come to mind) have spoken about coming to a desired conclusion and then finding the way to bend the law to meet their desired end result.

      2. I sometimes think it will eventually end in rebellion again, but not for some while.

        That might happen sooner than later. We’ve got millions, perhaps tens of millions, of people living paycheck to paycheck not getting a paycheck. The American Revolution was unusual in that it didn’t happen because people were hungry. Most other revolutions happened because people were hungry (Give them cake). Well when those millions who aren’t getting paid see their cupboards and fridges go bare, we might see revolution number two.

        1. Or, cannibalism.

      3. The virus is not killing the constitution, the justice department, those who are charged with upholding the constitution, are the ones who have killed it long ago. To them, the constitution is not the rule of law, it is just a piece of 200 year old paper for the naive sentimental chumps and saps to worship. Money, not democracy, rules in the US, has been for quite a while and like a geometric progression, it is getting worse awfully fast. How greedy can they be to have sent all American manufacturing to a communist country no less, to capitalize on their near slave labor wages, to the point we can’t even make simple face masks? And now Trump the chump wants to bail out the cruise line industry, corporations whose ships are registered in foreign countries so as not to pay US taxes. Trump is a court jester in the palace of the wall street oligarchs. It is they who play the tune to which Trump dances, while the tax payers pay for the music.

    3. You almost got me. B-

      Both buttlickers and bootlickers won’t usually come out and admit that they believe in suspending basic liberties though.

      1. Please send the buttlickers over my way! I can PAY, that’s not the issue… But I can not FIND any toilet paper to buy! So I have an employment option over here (wide open!) for any unemployed buttlickers!!!

        Email me please at Tulpa_Mary@Reason.com and send me your resume!

        1. Right. You don’t have any money. Although it doesn’t surprise me that you would eat ass. As you already eat shit.

          Maybe you should eat some drain cleaner instead.

          1. Try fish tank cleaner. Works just as well, but people will be shaking their heads for a long time. “How COULD he….”

    4. The temporary suspension of basic liberties is justified if necessary to secure even more basic liberties.

      In order to save some lives, we might have to end some lives.

      Eggs and omelettes people. If you want to make a COVID-free omelette, you might have to put a few eggs up against the wall and shoot them.

    5. I agree. We should convert your house into a barracks for the soldiers we need to enforce the quarantine.

    6. No the responsibility to use each and all of those enumerated rights does NOT fall upon government, it falls upon ME. I know my own situation, the Grand PoohBah in the Marble Zoo up on the hill does not. HE wants me to remain INSIDE my house. I KNOW being outsid,e active, working hard, breathing fresh clean air, getting SUNSHINE on my skin to increase vitamin D production, enjoying the area where I live…. THOSE things will keep ME healthy and put NO ONE at risk.
      Government are NOT God. Time they cease pretending they are.

  3. “keeping guns for self-protection is irresponsible”

    Ok, let’s allow that he’s a supporter of 2nd amendment rights, and that he also implied the above without irony. What’s the conclusion?

    The only viable reason left to have a gun in LA is to protect others, not yourself, from tyrannical government overreach, among other dangers. He’s a sheriff, and has a gun. Therefore, as a self-professed supporter of the 2nd Amendment, he has a duty to shoot himself.

    1. not saying everything is fine (like shutting down gun stores cuz of 2A) but an infringement on basic liberties that are expressed in the constitution (ie, freedom of association, freedom of movement necessary for other amendments) are justified.

      1. Fucking leftist twat. A shovel to the teeth would be too kind.

        1. Ban shovels!

        2. Leftist? How much communist Chinese stuff do you purchase? I am sure just about everything you buy is communist Chinese, thereby you are financially supporting a repressive, dictatorial communist regime and you call out leftists? Pretty moronic of you.

        3. it would be shovel abuse. They were made for a more noble purpose.

        4. “Authoritarian twat.” Please. There are authoritarians left, right, and center who only differ as to which liberties they want to curtail, and under what conditions they think it’s OK to do so.

      2. “…but an infringement on basic liberties that are expressed in the constitution (ie, freedom of association, freedom of movement necessary for other amendments) are justified.”

        You.
        Are.
        Full.
        Of.
        Shit.

      3. Shooting communists is justified.

        1. this is literally straight from nozick lmao

      4. fwi this is a pro 2a position for those who saw 2a, pls re-read if confused lol

  4. The Constitution has been dead for a very long time. Maybe people who actually hate it and despise liberty will stop pretending otherwise, though.

    1. How will they kill the zombie constitution? You can’t kill what’s already dead!

    2. This hysterical cough due to cold has given Lefties a chance to almost fully commit to tyranny.

      Locking people up for leaving their homes.
      Locking people up for peaceful assembly.
      Locking people up for defying unconstitutional orders from the gov.

      This is tyranny folks.

      Remember: Once government ignores the constitution, government get no authority from said constitution.

      1. But it’s a *special* cold, so it’s OK. /s

    3. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      That was my first thought after seeing the article’s title. Before even reading it.

    4. Not dead, but comatose and on life support. Not dead, just mostly dead. SOMEONE wil get out the bellows…..

  5. Yes the Constitution is under attack by politicians touting tyrant-boner polishing snake oil as vital anti-virus measures. But the wrangle over firearm dealers being “non-essential” is just part of the longstanding political trench warfare over guns.

    Leaving aside whatever hate they have for the rest of the document, what the Left would really like is to see the Second Amendment struck down as unconstitutional.

    1. Head
      just
      exploded

      But I agree, and their understanding / knowledge is so weak that I suspect that some of them actually do think an Amendment to the Constitution could be found to be unconstitutional.

      1. All you’d have to do is say the Amendment protested the right to keep and bear arms in circulation circa 1780 and that right there might be enough to deflate the gun ownership boner. A musket isn’t very gangster.

        1. *Protected

          1. Good point. And women and blacks couldn’t vote, gays couldn’t marry, and free speech meant exactly that–speech. I look forward to hearing your rebuttal after you walk here, or send a missive printed with wooden blocks, via horseback.

          2. typo autocorrected on the fly, message received>

            However, your point has been floated into the ether multiple times before.
            However tjhose who press that argument fail to note history of the time.
            First, the term “arms” meant, at that time, weapons of military usefulness, able to be carried and deployed by a single actor. Hah, even ships of war could be, and were, owned by normal citizens.

            Second, few have studied out the matter, but before those men stood on the Commons at Lexington thatApril morning 1775 to “welcome” the coming British Regular Army whom they knew to be coming to disarm them, there were a number of “weapons of military usefulness” that existed, were available, and were IN USE prior to that encounter. SOme of these were semiautomatic, one was full automatic. One had the capability to discharge up to twety three rounds, each with a single pullof the trigger, without having to reload or extract any spent items. A semiautomatic repeating rifle. Twenty three round capacity. It fired a smaller balll than was common, yet with siffiient accuracy and downrange energy as to be deadly at distances of a hundred, or a hundred fifty yards. (for reference the british muskets were rarely ever fired at targets beyoind an hundred yards, and most often within seventy five yards

            Easily concealable handguns were also quite common, and some were put to telling use on that same day mentioned above

            The underlying principle was that the common citizen wouild not be debarred the use of arms for whatever use HE felt valid.Yes, food on the table, yes, NO to tyrants, no to marauding indians, no to piracy, burglary, assault, home invasion.

            1. First, the term “arms” meant, at that time, weapons of military usefulness

              Scalia says you’re full of shit. Weapons in common use at ratification, brought from home for militia service. For rifles, the modern version of a flintlock.

              Hah, even ships of war could be, and were, owned by normal citizens.

              You’ll swallow anything!
              Scalia says you’re full of shit. Weapons in common use at ratification, brought from home for militia service. For rifles, the modern version of a flintlock.

        2. “All you’d have to do is say the Amendment protested the right to keep and bear arms in circulation circa 1780 and that right there might be enough to deflate the gun ownership boner.”

          “…shall not be infringed.”, asshole.

          1. (snort) Scalia STILL says you’re full of shit.

            Heller Ruling Page One
            1(f). United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes

            Translation: The limitation on protected weapons does NOT infringe on the right, merely defines what the right protects.

        3. then by extension the 1a only applies to verbal speech and the printing press but not TV or internet

          1. That’s a hand-operated printing press, don’t forget!

        4. So my field gun full of grapeshot is OK? Good, I’ll keep it pointed at the door in case of home invasion.

          1. GOOD IDEA

        5. And we certainly would have to do the same for the press. So 1st amendment doesn’t cover TV, radio, or the Internet, since they are all after 1780. A number of religions were not founded until after 1780, too, so they’re not protected by the 1st either.

          1. Scalia literally ridiculed that in Heller!

            Heller Ruling Page 8

            Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment. We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844,
            849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern
            forms of search,
            e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27,
            35–36 (2001)

            The Amendment protects modern versions of the flintlock, Scalia

  6. So when do we start the detention camps ala FDR and the Japanese? I’m sure someone thought of it . Of course , taking guns away would make that task much easier. And with all theses city people fleeing to the country I’m sure they would fell safer if all us ”bitter clingers’ were disarmed. It’s proven you can’t trust the FBI to tell the truth to a court of law and now , hearing offensive language is a reason to call 911. There’s also the National Guard stopping people on the road and going house to house, no warrant needs it seems. And that’s just in the last couple days.

    1. “There’s also the National Guard stopping people on the road and going house to house, no warrant needs it seems.”

      That has been going on since Katrina – – – – – – – –

    2. Cities are leasing hotels to lock people into.

  7. “The Constitution is a limitation of the government, not on private individuals–that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government–that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government.”
    -Ayn Rand

    There nothing people with power hate more than constraints against their pursuit of more power.

    And those citizens who want to see other citizens controlled by government hate those constraints just as much. As long as they can get their abortions, smoke weed, and marry their cat, they’ve got no problems with having government dictate every aspect of their lives.

    That’s why I fear another revolution. The new constitution will likely make Stalin blush.

    1. I don’t believe the US would survive an insurrection intact. After the revolution, you’ll be able to choose the rump state that has a new constitution most to your liking. If you want a constitution that will make Stalin blush, just move to the Democratic Republic of New York or the República del Norte.

      1. May have to move to Tay-hass.

        1. we don’t want you

          1. I guess I’ll have to tell my friends who live there that you determined they don’t want me around.

            *has a sad*

          2. I called them up and they said they don’t want you.

            1. that wasn’t me i don’t do personal attacks. i love when not me posts as me.

          3. sarcasmic wont make it through Civil War 2.0

            He will be blabbing about his delusional difference between Anarchy splinter groups and the mob will do unspeakable things to him.

    2. This is why there cannot be progressives. They have to go.

  8. Mr. Sullum….Before declaring the premature death of our Federal Republic form of government, let’s keep a few things in mind.

    – This country has dealt with a global pandemic before (1918), using many of the same measures we have in place now, and survived quite nicely, thank you very much.
    – In nearly all cases (*The People’s Republic of NJ is a notable exception), the restrictions put forward by the states themselves and not the federal government are temporary, and time-bound.
    *Phailing Phil Murphy, governor of PRoNJ, has made these restrictions for an indeterminate period, and thus not time-bound
    – I see a POTUS who is extremely deferential to the judgment of governors, which I think is what we want. There really is something to the Federally supported, State managed, Locally executed mantra. It is more in keeping with our libertarian ideals, as opposed to a ‘one size fits all’ statism. What we do in The PRoNJ is not what MT needs to do. This POTUS recognizes that.
    – We now face a national emergency. This is way more than influenza, and I think the 2+ hour briefing on 3/31 painted that picture quite clearly. The upshot of what I am saying….somewhat different rules apply now.

    Final thoughts. The Declaration of Independence specifies life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in that order. Our first obligation is the preservation of citizen’s lives. We can and must do everything possible within the confines of our Constitution to do that. The Constitution gives enough leeway in a decentralized manner (meaning, most authority is concentrated at the state and local level) to survive *temporary and time-bound restrictions.
    *For purposes of this post, I propose 30 days as temporary.

    We face the prospect of 100,000 dead Americans within the next 90 days, in the current best case scenario. The more likely scenario (as of 3/31) is somewhere around 160,000 deaths (using the IHME model from Chris Murphy). To those who were saying, ‘KungFlu is no big deal’ I think the jury just came back: You were wrong, and it is time to stop with that nonsense.

    The problem we face is the Wuhan coronavirus. This Wuhan coronavirus does not care about your beliefs. It doesn’t care where you live. It doesn’t care about your politics. Every one of us can do our part to save lives – every single one of us.
    – Wash your hands
    – Do not touch your face
    – If sick, immediately self-isolate along with entire household
    – Stay away from sick people
    – Stay informed – the CDC and your state department of health has critical information you can and should read

    May God send a refuah schleimah (a healing of body and spirit) to everyone afflicted with this disease. Be safe, be healthy.

    1. The Declaration of Independence specifies life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in that order. Our first obligation is the preservation of citizen’s lives. We can and must do everything possible within the confines of our Constitution to do that.

      No, you’ve got it wrong. The meaning of specifying life as a right is that no one may take your life away from you. It does not mean that the State or anyone else has an obligation to keep you alive.

      1. Vernon, when you say = The meaning of specifying life as a right is that no one may take your life away from you. It does not mean that the State or anyone else has an obligation to keep you alive.

        My response is rather simple: You have to be alive to exercise those God given rights and both of our views are correct (and not incompatible).

        1. TIL the state is allowed unlimited license to trample on my freedoms, to starve, imprison, and impoverish me, to steal what I own and muzzle my very thoughts and ideas all in the service of keeping me alive.

          Who’d have thought the entire bill of rights would have a giant invisible asterisk at the bottom denoting that the entire thing was null and void if the government decided it would be for my own good?

          1. Um, we’re a long way from = …unlimited license to trample on my freedoms, to starve, imprison, and impoverish me, to steal what I own and muzzle my very thoughts and ideas all in the service of keeping me alive

            The judiciary of the Republic is alive and well. Need I say more?

            1. I feel safer already.

            2. The judiciary is doing a ton of good when there are already cops patrolling the streets arresting people for the crime of leaving their homes. Millions of people’s livelihoods have, with the swipe of pens and the dialing of phones, been destroyed. Not even a single ounce of hyperbole there. MILLIONS. Millions of jobs have already been lost. Companies are already going out of business. Rent for millions of people is due TODAY and they don’t have the money to pay it because their jobs were made illegal and their ability to leave their homes and seek new work has also been made illegal.

              People are going to die and the lives destroyed by government doing what government does best will be a Mount Everest next to the ant hill of lives that coronavirus upends.

              1. Tens of millions. We are already at Great Depression unemployment.

                1. Unemployment reached a peak of 24.9% in 1933 during the Great Depression and remained above 14% from 1931 to 1940.

                  ~3 million unemployed takes us to somewhere around 5.5%. We might have some who dont claim benefits and are not counted. We are not above 10% unemployment yet. Certainly not at 14%.

                  1. That ≈ 3 million unemployed is the number who managed to get through the throngs, to apply for UI.
                    The total number is far beyond that.

              2. “People are going to die and the lives destroyed by government doing what government does best will be a Mount Everest next to the ant hill of lives that coronavirus upends.”

                People with brains needed to get out ahead of this one. Sadly, they lost the narrative. Instead, what we have is everyone saying: “You want to sacrifice Grandma so the stock market will go up”. The argument should have been: “Millions more will die from economic despair than from coronavirus”.

                1. The argument should have been: “Millions more will die from economic despair than from coronavirus”

                  Yeah, but that’s bat-shit crazy
                  See over $6 trillion in spending and loan guarantees.

          2. Bravo.

        2. Except, fundamentally, that a government charged with keeping you alive now has the authority to deny your liberty and happiness to accomplish the mission. And that is more that a slippery slope.

          So go ahead and jump off that cliff. Just make sure to untie yourself from me.

          1. skeptic, I would argue that state (not Federal) mandated quarantines that are temporary and time-bound, in response to a clear national threat are legal and allowable under the Constitution. I’d say the Wuhan coronavirus is a clear national threat.

            The fact that we are even debating this is proof positive that our rights are quite alive and well in our Republic.

            1. we are even debating this

              And the Governor said, “Hold my beer.”

            2. _XY – Insofar as those state mandated quarantines are legal and allowable under the states’ constitutions, I’d agree with you, with the exception that it only has to be a clear state threat.

        3. Your view is incorrect. You are wrong. There is nothing in the Constitution about keeping you alive. That phrase is the Constitution is about the government kicking down your door and killing you because they felt like it.

          1. coins….we’ll agree to disagree on this point. Regardless, I want you to stay safe, stay healthy. We are all in this together.

            1. “…We are all in this together.”

              No, we aren’t.
              Go get on your knees at the city hall and beg ‘the government’ for safety yourself.

              1. No Sevo, you are wrong. We are all in this together as Americans.

                We have the power within us to act autonomously and help reduce the lives lost. We really do. Each and every one of us can save lives by rigorously adhering to the 30 Days to Slow the Spread guidelines issued by the CDC. I urge you to follow these guidelines.

                1. We are all in this together as Americans.

                  Why only as Americans?

                2. >>We have the power within us to act autonomously

                  we *did* and were … then we got told to obey

            2. I want you to stay safe

              What if don’t want to stay what you consider “safe”? Fuck off, slaver.

        4. both of our views are correct (and not incompatible).

          No. You’re wrong.

      2. If there’s a betting website that allows me to take the under on that 100k in 90 days, let me know.

    2. The only figure that really matters is excess mortality, i.e., how many people COVID-19 kills that wouldn’t have died anyway from some other underlying medical condition, and that number will end up being a tiny fraction of the 100,000 death toll estimate, which is itself probably an overestimate because we still have no idea how many asymptomatic people are already infected. The number of otherwise healthy people who will become destitute and die as a result of our self-imposed economic collapse will easily eclipse all direct damage caused by the virus. Bet.

      1. Most likely. But most people are also not long range thinkers, and can’t see that far down the road.

        1. The excess deaths from the lockdown might not be very far down the road. I know people who already are broke and desperate.

      2. how many people COVID-19 kills that wouldn’t have died anyway from some other underlying medical condition

        Another way of looking at it is years of life lost. If an 88-year old with COPD dies after contracting COVID, he might have lost a few months or a year of life. If a 55-year-old businessman shoots himself because the shutdown has sent his life’s work down the toilet, he might have lost 30 years of life.

      3. The only figure that matters is we have a Constitution and you can fuck off to North Korea, faggot.

      4. That’s OK though. Because it won’t all happen in a 5 week window. And all the folks who like to play God won’t get stressed out over it when the millions of deaths trickle in over many years.

        1. And of course, the millions of deaths trickling in will be invisible to the folks who like to play God. Because even if you show them increased mortality rates in a bunch of different areas that are effects of the economic damage, they’ll either ignore you completely or they’ll say that there’s no proof.

    3. The Declaration of Independence specifies life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in that order. Our first obligation is the preservation of citizen’s lives.

      You didn’t read what was written. The rights you listed were granted by a Creator and the word ‘obligation’ appears nowhere in The Declaration.

      We face the prospect of 100,000 dead Americans within the next 90 days, in the current best case scenario.

      Every one of us can do our part to save lives – every single one of us.

      By your own tenets 100K people are going to die no matter what and no amount of us can do any part to prevent it.

      The problem you face is human reasoning. Other people don’t care about your shallow religion and deceitful beliefs. They don’t care where you live or if you die of the corona virus of which you are so scared. And, for you, it’s obvious that that’s a problem worse than the virus itself.

      1. You have to be alive to exercise those God given rights. 🙂

        Stay safe, stay healthy.

    4. Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      You aren’t allowed to call this the “Chinese virus” or the “Wuhan virus”. That would be racist and incite hate crimes. I just read it in the news this morning.

      1. I choose to call it for what it is: Wuhan coronavirus. It is a coronavirus, and it did originate in Wuhan, China. That is not derogatory to anyone, that is reality.

        1. The media are retard treasonous fuckers. I ignore any demands that they have.

          I call this Wuhanvirus, KungFlu, and Coronavirus.

    5. The Declaration of Independence specifies life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in that order. Our first obligation is the preservation of citizen’s lives.

      The Declaration is NOT the law of the land. Even if you misinterpret is badly, it has no legal standing. Might as well cite the Magna Carta.

    6. 100K, so about the same as the flu kills every season.

      Please drink Drano, you fascist piece of shit.

  9. I just have this picture of King Arthur riding past the Black Knight after he’s cut his arms and legs off, the Black Knight screaming impotently that he’s invincible and demanding that Arthur come back and continue the fight. Why bother killing the Constitution when it’s been rendered meaningless already? What’s it going to do – bite their legs off?

    1. Cough on him?

    2. Touche

    3. You’ve got to admit that it was pretty cool/hilarious the way the Constitution threw that sword through King George’s visor.

    4. While I get what you are saying. The Constitution is not dead or the Lefties would not be still trying to destroy it.

      I will give you that the Constitution is legless and bleeding from important parts.

      To further support my position, why has no state Governor declared Martial Law? It’s too far and they all know it.

  10. How spineless do you have to be to suggest that essential rights can be suspended whenever things appear dangerous? Whatever happened to “give me liberty or give me death”? It’s so embarrassing to watch all these so-called Americans rush to give up what liberty they have left just so they can feel safe from something that has a 99% chance or better of not harming them.

    1. Same thing that happened to the inhabitants of the “Land of the free, and the home of the brave”.

    2. See Commenter XY above; about that spineless.

      1. Oh please. Give me a break, Sevo. I am arguing that we should and must follow the strictures of our Constitution. States, not the Federal government must be the primary authorities here. They are the people who actually do have the police power to declare temporary and time-bound quarantines, do they not?

        It has nothing to do with spinelessness, and everything to do with finding constitutional means to address a temporarynational emergency.

        1. The Governor of my state has not “time-bound” the lockdown. He answers, “I don’t know” whenever asked how long it will be.

          1. Nor mine, Vernon. We have Phailing Phil Murphy as our governor of the People’s Republic of NJ.

            1. Thank you for admitting you were bullshitting.

        2. de Blasio just said he would shut down churches and synagogues PERMANENTLY if they continue to defy his orders.

          1. But not mosques?

  11. The media has been instrumental in spreading the hysterical lies that Wuhanvirus is anymore dangerous than the seasonal Flu/Cold.

    As the treacherous Propagandists give excuses to politicians to implement ever increasing violations of the Constitution, America moves closer and closer to Civil War.

    the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.

    1. How dare you contradict Dear Leader!!!

      “When you see 100,000 people — that’s a minimum number,” President Trump said during the press conference. That’s notable coming from Trump, who, in the early days of the outbreak, downplayed the threat and repeatedly compared it to the flu.

      By Tuesday, it seemed the abundant evidence that Covid-19 is much worse than the flu had finally sunk in. “It’s not the flu; it’s vicious,” Trump said.

      1. So now you quote Trump?

        1. unreason sock trolls like MAGAman were not coded to factor in a common business tactic of coming in under the deadline and under budget.

        2. It’s funny that folks on the left think Trump is evil when he says, “We can’t let the cure be worse than the disease,” and interpret that to mean Herr Drumpenfuhrer has declared “The Economy Uber Alles,” but Cuomo is a superhero when he resists Trump’s calls for a quarantine of the New York metro region, saying, “I think it would paralyze the economy.” I guess it’s OK to worry about the cure being worse than the disease if it’s a Democrat saying it, but since Orange Man Bad, it’s evil to do so if he says it.

    2. It is much, much worse than seasonal flu. I know first hand. fortunately, you are free to isolate yourself so completely, that you have no risk of catching it. Sadly, you are no longer free to live your life, and risk catching it. That is the problem.

      1. … Or infect and kill others,

  12. Here in Arizona the Democrats are clamoring for our governor to bring a California and New York style lock down to Arizona. Ducey is being called an embarrassment and criticized for hiding and not leading. In reality Arizona businesses are making the decision to stay open, close or alter hours. Many restaurants and stores are open for delivery or curbside pick-up. People are staying home (most noticeable on the streets during the day) but Democrats and their acolytes want more. Lock it all up they say.

    1. Good for Arizona!

      Fight the Lefty’s tyranny of America by defying them.

    2. Lock her, I mean, them, up!

      1. Oh, Jesus. If SHE were in charge now, we’d already be under martial law and bombing Wuhan.

        1. Or China would be bombing the USA.

    3. You will also notice how little media attention the facts you are mentioning get nationally.

      The Narrative from the liars in the media is that lockdowns SAVE LIVES and government is the only answer.

      Dissent will not be tolerated or at least not reported on. unreason is famous for this Lefty tactic. Lies through omission.

    4. would have been so much friendlier for *all* the governments to leave it at “please” instead of “obey” …

      1. Yep. I don’t really have a problem with government advocating proper healthy procedures and giving us straight facts so we can decide what to do.

        Making it illegal to go to work is far across the line.

        1. Ironically, I still have to go to work because I work for a government.

  13. “The Constitution is dead. Bury it.”
    -Superman

  14. If the governments’ actions don’t really concern you about now, you’re not paying attention.

    1. Indeed.

    2. or totally okay with it.

      1. Or aren’t OK with it, because there’s not enough of it yet. After all, there are still plenty of those other people who are making wrong decisions who have to have those choices limited.

  15. I don’t know about you but, I’m very concerned and have been since day one. Enough so that I’ve shared those concerns with people very close to me.

    Talking about pissing up a rope…………….

    Their outrage at my suggestion leads to great internal dispare that, America really is so far off course that there is little hope for the liberty we thought we once had. Such feelings are not unknown to me but, they were usually short lived, the result of a short debate about freedom of choice for instance. But, seeing what is going on countrywide today due to this virus and the various government actions, dashes any hope I’ve harbored of U.S. citizens thinking for themselves.

    1. Yep. As somebody here put it, it’s like being trapped in a car about to go over a cliff, while everybody else is excited, yelling “CLIFF! CLIFF! CLIFF! CLIFF!”

  16. With lobbyists literally writing the laws which Congress intentionally then makes vague to skirt criticism, much of the law is now interpreted and codified by the courts alone. Trump and Barr have unilaterally removed any kind of oversight by Congress, again, letting the courts decide (except when they just refuse to). Gerrymandering has made Congress look less and less like the people they are constitutionally directed to serve, and religion, guns, and abortion seem to be the last three causes people are willing to fight for and against.

    Whether the constitution survives the attacks on it by those using the pandemic to grab power is indeed a question. Whether it even matters anymore is a more important one.

    1. makes vague to skirt criticism

      And also to empower the unelected regulators.

  17. Fearless Fosdick wins!
    For you younger folks, he was a comic strip cop known for killing people to keep them from becoming crime victims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearless_Fosdick

  18. In a word, No. I do see infected victims in America being forcibly removed from their residences and disappearing. I have not heard of police going door-to-door executing pet cats and dogs. Only in America can the government request the citizens to quarantine themselves while it exerts its power to assists and protects them during a federal emergency.

  19. NYC Mayor de Blasio threatens to PERMANENTLY shut down churches, synagogues if they continue to defy his orders.

    Says: ‘You’ve been warned’

    “New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is threatening to permanently close churches and synagogues that do not comply with his order to stop gathering during the coronavirus outbreak.

    “De Blasio’s dark warning came Friday, hours before Jews meet for their weekly Shabbat gatherings.

    “I want to say to all those who are preparing the potential of religious services this weekend — if you go to your synagogue, if you go to your church and attempt to hold services after having been told so often not to, our enforcement agents will have no choice but to shut down those services,” de Blasio said.

    “The NYPD, Fire Department, Buildings Department, and everyone has been instructed that if they see worship services going on, they will go to the officials of that congregation, they’ll inform them they need to stop the services and disperse,” de Blasio explained.

    “If that does not happen, they will take additional action up to the point of fines and potentially closing the building permanently,” de Blasio continued. “You’ve been warned, you need to stop services, help people practice their faith in different ways, but not in groups, not in gatherings that could endanger people.”

    Of course, we have:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” By incorporation, this applies to States, counties, townships, and municipalities.

    Wonder what the MSM reaction would if he told NY Times, NY Post, CNN NY desk, NBC, ABC, CBS studios in NYC that they must close “in the name of safety”?

    1. Only by incorporation, which is nonsense through and through.

      1. The 9th Amendment is … nonsense?

    2. NYC Mayor de Blasio threatens to PERMANENTLY shut down churches, synagogues if they continue to defy his orders.

      All caps cannot convert hysterical bullshit into fact.

  20. The dems ultimate goal is to convert America into a socialist/communist nation. I personally prefer Liberty to a “lock down”. If we continue, America is headed to a depression that will most certainly dwarf the 1929 crash and its subsequent horrors. If the lock down continues, America is headed for extinction. The dems look forward to this coming time, as they want to be the elitists in charge of “everything”.

    1. Oh please. You partisans are NOT Americans. So stupidly blind you think it is only one side. If this doesn’t expose the right as the same nothing will.

  21. It’s been dead.

    A pastor was arrested for holding church. Funeral homes will let in 10 people at a time…because you know, an 11th person and everyone gets sick! Herding children in childcare is ok. Playing racquetball or tennis will kill everyone! States are quarantining everyone from certain areas. sick or not! Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb suggested potential of using GPS data to enforce social distancing guidelines.

    They are releasing prisoners for safety yet Washington DC mayor is threatening jail anyone for being outside Similar punishments were also announced Monday by Gov. Larry Hogan for the state of Maryland. California meanwhile threatens up to six month in jail, Michigan threatens up to 90 days, while Oregon threatens up to 30 days in jail. Alaska and Hawaii include the possibility of up to a year in jail for those who break those states’ orders. In Chicago, Mayor Lori Lightfoot last week announced the Chicagoans could face arrest if they broke the Windy City’s stay-at-home restrictions, but did not specifically threaten extended jail time. THIS IS MADNESS!

  22. “Villanueva’s ban, which several gun rights groups challenged in a federal lawsuit last Friday, was inconsistent with … the Second Amendment ”

    Like it or not, this is simply not true. The second amendment does not limit states in any way from doing anything. It is federal limitation only.

    Even with the phony doctrine of incorporation, this is still not true. I do not know that any SC justice has ever said that the Second Amendment ITSELF limits state governments. Incorporation is an entirely separate matter on top of the Bill of Rights. Absurd as it is, it does not attempt to make the amendments say what they clearly and indisputably do not. It is a complicated mesh of farfetched theories regarding terms such as “due process” and “privileges and immunities” which come from the 14th amendment.

    1. ‘Incorporation’ was yet another example of raw judicial power.
      But what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If the other rights are deemed incorporated, the Second Amendment has to be also.

    2. Incorporation is an entirely separate matter on top of the Bill of Rights

      It’s in the 9th Amendment, regardless of what Ron Paul claims.

    3. Article 6 of the Constitution makes the concept of “incorporation” a canard.
      “This Constitution… shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
      You don’t put that last part in, if states can violate the Constitution, at will.
      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
      The Second Amendment is a prohibition on all governments, it doesn’t exclude the states, and cannot be overridden by them.
      Any judge that doesn’t recognize this plain language should be removed from office.

      1. Why do you people LIE about the 10th Amendment, which reserves only POWERS to the states — like speed limits, property records, police power and the like?

        As you should have learned in high school, ours is a government of DELEGATED powers … which means INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS ARE SUPERIOR TO POWERS. duh.

        Thus the Ninth Amendment is a STRICT LIMIT on the 10th.
        “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

        Also known as fundamental rights, which may not be denied ot disparaged by ANY level of government. These include Life, an unknown package called Liberty, an unknown package called Pursuit of Happiness, plus the unknown number of rights in the 9th.

        This is how the Declaration’s “unalienable rights” were incorporated into the Constitution. Despite the authoritarian bullshit of Ron Paul and other modern defenders of States Rights as developed by the KKK and southern racists. The foundation of Jim Crow.

  23. The Constitution has been mortuus in se for a long time. The common acceptance of the Supreme Court as the definer of the meaning of the Constitution translates to the Constitution itself having no inherent meaning. If the Constitution were replaced with just a single sentence containing just a single enumerated power [to wit, “The Supreme Court can make any law it wants to make”], there would be no change in the way the law is created to impact the most important issues.
    Back in the 1940s the Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution empowers the government to prevent citizens from growing wheat for their own private consumption. [Wickard v. Filburn.] Yep, the Court ruled, it’s right there in the Constitution, that people can’t feed themselves. Not our fault, the framers put it there, go bother them if you don’t like it. Imagine those rascally framers, with their evil masked intentions to starve their new country! Only the Supreme court realized such nefariousness was there, and sadly they could do nothing but regretfully reveal the bad news to the rest of us.

    1. The Constitution has been mortuus in se for a long time. The common acceptance of the Supreme Court as the definer of the meaning of the Constitution translates to the Constitution itself having no inherent meaning.

      Your ignorance is astounding.

      The Court is one of THREE co-equal branches of government, ONLY they can be a check and balance on the other two branches, the only branches who can abuse our rights,

      Courts and tribunals have been interpreting and acknowledging rights since The Enlightenment. It was England’s King’s Court (like our SCOTUS), who ruled slavery was a violation of the natural law … in 1772. Which is why States Rights Racism opposes judicial review. the basis for Jim Crow,

      Which is why you have NO alternative, to defend individual rights. Authoritarian. This is NOT a Democracy!

  24. How are my civil liberties enhanced, when you invent some God-Given Right to infect me — an innocent party — and possibly kill me? How is that not aggression?

    When libertarians reject the moral principle of personal responsibility for the consequences of one’s own actions, they become just another pack of mooches, just a different lame excuse to piss on civil liberties.

    1. If someone infects you, might you STFU and not post 50 times on every article?

      You really, really need a hobby dude.

      1. How are my civil liberties enhanced, when you invent some God-Given Right to infect me — an innocent party — and possibly kill me? How is that not aggression?

  25. Will COVID-19 Kill the Constitution?
    I certainly hope so. No Constitution = no elections = no government = we’re free at last.

    1. How many Americans would agree with you? Are you not aware this is a libertarian web site? Will of the people, consent of the governed?

      Our Constitution has been invalid for centuries, per Thomas Jefferson.
      How does any generation have ANY right to commit future generations to a government? “That would be rule by might, not by right,” Jefferson concluded.

      Consent of the governed vs consent of the long dead = libertarian vs authoritarian.

  26. I literally laughed out loud reading the title of this article.

    Like that dead document has any real power any more. It’s been DOA for a long time, unless the gummint wants to haul it out for their purposes, but when it is inconvenient they just ignore it.

  27. The Dumbocraps are sure trying.
    They started the Civil War and are pushing for Civil War II.

    1. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-poll-idUSKBN21E3FQ?utm_source=34553&utm_medium=partner

      REUTERS: 81% said the country should continue social distancing initiatives, including “shelter at home” orders, “despite the impact to the economy.”

      Only 19% said they would like to end social distancing as soon as possible “to get the economy going again,” including 11% of Democrats and 30% of Republicans.

      The March 26-27 opinion poll, released Friday, also showed that the public is much more likely to heed the advice of doctors and local government officials than President Donald Trump.

      66% said they would follow the instructions of medical doctors
      64% said they would follow the advice of the CDC,
      51% said they would follow the advice from their state’s governor
      46% would follow healthcare directions from local police.
      Only 31% are “very likely” to follow President Trump’s recommendations and advice

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  29. Covid-19 is the ironic manifestation of the mental illnesses known as communism/socialism..as well its cousin isms – scientism/survivalism. The more humans battle death, the closer they draw it near. Too dumb to see this.
    The stupid argument that fills me with the most aggravation is “you don’t have the right to infect me”. Please tell me how the FRACK would I do that if you kept your own “concerned citizen” ass home? Follow your own advice. It’s not necessary for me to join you.
    “Public health” is very much a bullshit notion.
    Aside from the homeless, we do not live in the open space. Everyone who is in panic mode, had the freedom from day one to isolate in their dwelling. For those sharing a space, the likelihood that they have conflicting feelings about the way to respond to the “virus” doesn’t seem that great as most “roommates” tend to be family and less likely to treat even a sick member as a pariah. Therefore the government should only be intervening when people specifically request assistance in isolating or to provide information. Given the aforementioned, the application of the label “communicable disease” by which the wannabe authoritarians feel justified in this tyranny, is itself debatable or questionable. The existence of dwellings is a barrier. But I’m not optimistic that people will accept this view. Condoms *should* have eliminated the scapegoating potential of HIV. But that didn’t happen. We still try to lock HIV positive people up despite it taking two to tango. More pandemics are to come because humans refuse to accept reality. We are not omnipotent, immortal, the earth isn’t renewable and utopia will never come. Puppetmasters like Bill Gates are gonna crash and burn in the not so distant future. And good riddance.

    1. SCARY fascist

      The stupid argument that fills me with the most aggravation is “you don’t have the right to infect me”. Please tell me how the FRACK would I do that if you kept your own “concerned citizen” ass home?

      YOU ALSO HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONFINE ME TO MY HOME… AS THE ONLY DEFENSE AGAINST YOU INFECTING OR KILLING ME. (shudder)

      1. What an idiotic statement. You aren’t confined to your home any more than one is “confined” to a seat belt while driving. You will CHOOSE to stay home for your own self protection. I suppose you’re pissed at water too for “confining” you to land since you can’t inhale water without dying.

        1. What an idiotic statement.

          What lyin’-sack-of-shit statement

          You aren’t confined to your home any more than one is “confined” to a seat belt while driving.

          Called out as a fraud, FORGETS HIS OWN CRAZY POINT … and LIES about mine

          YOU would confine me to my home … because it’s MY FAULT if YOU INFECT OR KILL ME! (The moral values of a progressive

          The stupid argument that fills me with the most aggravation is “you don’t have the right to infect me”. Please tell me how the FRACK would I do that if you kept your own “concerned citizen” ass home?

          YOU ALSO HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONFINE ME TO MY HOME… AS THE ONLY DEFENSE AGAINST YOU INFECTING OR KILLING ME. (shudder)

          The moral standards of a progressive.

          Scary fascist

          1. Restating your idiotic statement did not change it. You must have a mental block. You literally are free to leave your home. You do not have a right to tell me I have to provide you with additional ways to protect yourself from the natural world. You have one. Be grateful and make the best of it or eat shit.
            But if it’s any consolation, I would even forego any treatment, freeing up medical staff for a survivalist such as yourself. First it’s because I don’t intend to suffer, so whether I get Cancer, AIDS, Covid-19 (advanced level), Alzheimer’s, or anything horrific, debilitating, or painful, I will commit suicide by morphine overdose. And second because I do not intend to validate or assist the save a life at all costs agenda of the medical institution. While they portray their efforts as noble, I find them to overreach a significant amount. In fact there could be some mitigation to an overwhelmed hospital if the amount of people who would select suicide if they are in critical condition, was taken into account. But of course they’d play victim and pretend they are violating their conscience or oath by ending your life with your approval. Meanwhile, they would save your life without your approval. What if there’s 10% of people currently suffering a terminal illness and have signed up for or planned to signed up for physician assisted suicide? I mean while you’re pretending that you’re precious, let’s not forget the primary reason they are imposing restrictions is not so much for us, but for the medical staff.

            1. Please tell me how the FRACK would I do that if you kept your own “concerned citizen” ass home?

              That means if you infect somebody, it’s the victim’s fault. Which is crazy .. so you veer of into another lame excuse.

              But if it’s any consolation,

              Shows you’re also ignorant of the solution. But thanks for changing your excuse when called out.

              I would even forego any treatment, freeing up medical staff for a survivalist such as yourself. First it’s because I don’t intend to suffer, so whether I get Cancer, AIDS, Covid-19 (advanced level), Alzheimer’s, or anything horrific, debilitating, or painful, I will commit suicide by morphine overdose.

              Not what you said, and even dumber.
              If you’ve followed this even a little, you’d know you can be infected for up to 14 days, infecting others, with no symptoms at all.

              So your suicide claim has no value either.

              Hysterically, you ADMIT demanding a right to infect and kill others, if you KNOW you have Covid-19, but not “advanced level”

              You just can’t hide your lack of personal accountability.

              1. I won’t be held accountable for your choices. Get it through your skull. The root of your confusion is your pathetic denial of your own responsibility. When you are aware of a pathogen in the environment and you go near a potential source of it, at no point can you claim victim status unless your ability to remove yourself has be eliminated by someone. So no sir, objectively, I didn’t “infect you”. You chose the infection, just as I did (if I have it). I realize you are desperate to conflate a pathogen to a person in order to give it animation. That in turn enables you to feel a power that you don’t actually have. When you go out to the ocean and end up dead, it’s not that the water shoved water up your nostrils and down into your lungs. You drowned goddammit. It’s as simple as that.

                1. *sneer*

                  Hysterically, you ADMIT demanding a right to infect and kill others, if you KNOW you have Covid-19, but not “advanced level”

                  You just can’t hide your lack of personal accountability.

                  Just another alt-right mooch

                  1. Talk about hysterical. “Alt right” name calling is not rational argument, merely incompetent screaming bigotry proving one’s own lack of personal accountability by stupid blame shifting.

  30. Rasmussen Polling is the most prominent Republican pollster

    VOTERS STRONGLY ENDORSE FINES, BAN ON INTERSTATE TRAVEL
    Voters are turning hardline in the face of the coronavirus. Two-out-of-three now want to ban travel between states and fine those who violate social distancing guidelines.

    Again … to minimize the risk to themselves and their loved ones, as the daily death rate keeps accelerating.

    Accelerating death count
    Mar 26 — First 1000 deaths (26 days)
    Mar 27-28 – Next 1,000 … Deaths double in TWO days
    Apr2, 12:37 PM – 5,300 total. Deaths up 530% in 6-1/2 days.

    1. Stuff and nonsense. Typical no info voter asininity conveniently buying the deceitful coverup conveniently omitting 1. how many MORE are dying from the ordinary flu, conveniently omitted, that hypocritically is of no concern and 2. how many deaths are FALSELY IDd as Wuhan under corrupt government guidelines to hype the pandemic and get government $, paid data corruption. Only useful idiocy fails to oppose the factless basis for the lockdowns like Hitler and Stalin and their dupes. Those who claim to follow the science in their insane lust for power and control are proven liars rightly banking on the gullibility of their constituents, and most should be prosecuted and the people ashamed of their ignorance and gullibility.

  31. Those failing to oppose the lockdowns are mostly the deceitful like the usual corrupt CA, IL, NY (and now MI) governors and their slaves from ignorant useful idiocy. The cold hard facts are that most of what’s being told about the Wuhan virus is both a deceit of lies about what it really is (e.g. how mild and asymptomatic it is, not something to cause terror except perhaps for the sick and the elderly) and a coverup of basic health principles that would cure it
    (e.g. 1. good and proper diet and nutrition (especially anti-oxidant vitamins, especially C) and 2. high temperature and open air), all of which information is suppressed by Dems and RINOs for the sake of their control in order to destroy the country (including massive vote fraud) and in their depraved TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) frenzy steal the election they can’t win honestly.
    Only God can save us, as usual. Most stupidly, wrongly opine the First Amendment is first about free speech versus the truth that it’s first about freedom of religion, without which there can be no true free speech, though what was meant by that historically versus SCOTUS lies and fraud and modern stupidity and asininity is freedom of the Christian faith (since there were many Christian state churches at the time, putting the lie to the infamous and corrupt aconstitutional SCOTUS “separation of church and state”), not all religions, e.g. corrupt Islam (see its vileness exposed by truth at thereligionofpeace dot com) the Founders strenuously opposed, unlike today’s corruptocrats.
    As America’s vastly more educated and wiser Founders sternly warned us usually godless fools today mindlessly and stupidly buying endless deceit and lies about the virus, without God as central for the nation, national suicide is certain. God save us.

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