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Reason Roundup

City Won't Pay $6 Million Awarded to Man Wrongfully Imprisoned for Decades

Plus: how a pesticide ban hurt Sri Lanka, how Japanese reality TV reveals deficiencies in American parenting, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 4.18.2022 9:30 AM

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City won't pay after wrongful conviction. Qualified immunity allows law enforcement officials to get away with all manner of bad deeds. Now, the city of Durham, North Carolina, is proving that even if you overcome that obstacle, it won't necessarily be enough to get justice.

After a Durham detective fabricated evidence, Darryl Howard was wrongfully convicted of murder and imprisoned for more than two decades. A jury awarded Howard $6 million in the ensuing lawsuit, but the city if refusing to pay it.

Worse yet, the city is asking Howard to pay the legal fees of two city employees dismissed from the suit.

"I proved my innocence. I went through every court. Every judge says what this was, even the governor," Howard told the Raleigh News & Observer. "Now I have to fight again."

Back in 1995, Howard was convicted on two counts of second-degree murder and one count of arson. (Former Reasoner Radley Balko has more background on the case here.) In 2016, the convictions were vacated and the local district attorney dismissed the charges. In April 2021, Gov. Roy Cooper officially pardoned Howard.

And in December, a federal jury found former Durham detective Darrell Dowdy had fabricated evidence and conducted an incomplete investigation. The jury awarded Howard $6 million in damages.

The city spent more than $4 million fighting Howard's civil rights lawsuit, which originally included the city and several employees as defendants but ultimately just included Dowdy. Now the city says it won't indemnify Dowdy, whom it employed for 36 years. That means it won't pay the $6 million the jury awarded Howard.

The twisted reasoning here seems to be that the city will only pay out if its cops and other employees were acting in good faith, not maliciously. Since the officer that framed Howard was found to be acting in bad faith, the city won't pay.

More from The News & Observer:

A city resolution establishes a uniform standard in addressing claims against the city and outlines a policy to defend officers and employees against civil claims and judgments, city attorneys have said.

Unless the city has evidence or information to indicate otherwise, "the city generally proceeds under the presumption that, however conduct may have been portrayed in a complaint, the employee was engaged in the good faith execution of their duties on behalf of the city and was, thus, entitled to a defense," Rehberg wrote.

The City Council decided not to pay the judgment during closed session meetings between December and February, Rehberg wrote. The meetings were closed for attorney-client consultation to respond to demands made by Howard's and Dowdy's attorneys.

The city's resolution states that it's in the public interest to settle judgments against the city "if the facts and circumstances of the claim or the suit in which the judgment is entered show that the officer or employee was engaged in the good faith performance of his duties on behalf of the City when the act or omission giving rise to the claim or suit occurred," wrote Rehberg in an email, in which she added an emphasis on good faith. "A jury of Mr. Dowdy's peers determined that Mr. Dowdy engaged in fabrication of evidence and a bad faith failure to investigate," she wrote.

A lawyer for Dowdy told the paper "the city has known all along what Captain Dowdy did and decided to defend him on that basis."


FREE MINDS

What a Japanese reality series can teach America about parenting. "Americans have over-rotated on protectiveness in the past few decades and need to reconsider letting their kids do more by themselves," suggests New York Times parenting writer Jessica Grose. Grose is responding to Old Enough!, a Japanese TV show that is now streaming on Netflix. The series features children learning to run errands on their own.

Gross posits that the show's premise wouldn't fly in the U.S. because American parents coddle kids much more than our counterparts in other countries do:

It's not just Japan. In much of the rest of the world, kids are allowed to do more solo at earlier ages. Dan Kois, who wrote a book about traveling the world with his 9- and 11-year-olds, said, "Our experience in most of the places we lived in the course of that year, children, especially middle-grade children, were given enormous amounts of freedom that were totally incomprehensible" to the average American. In the Netherlands, for instance, Kois said that kids rode their bikes to school by themselves.

Though I knew American parents were more protective than some parents in other countries, I was surprised at the extent of the protectiveness. According to a 2012 analysis of a survey conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the mean age at which American adults believed a child could be left at home alone was 13, bathe alone was 7 and a half, bike alone was around 10.

here is a two year old who was sent to the grocery store with a flag that says "STOP" to help him cross the street pic.twitter.com/bUEUAr8gck

— Kathryn VanArendonk (@kvanaren) March 31, 2022


FREE MARKETS

The Sri Lankan government banned synthetic fertilizers and pesticides. It's been a disaster, decimating some of the country's formerly booming agricultural industries.

The ban on agricultural chemicals, taken "on the advice of environmentalists in the name of sustainable agriculture," has proved a thorough disaster. https://t.co/ynHxQ1kNh9

— Walter Olson (@walterolson) April 17, 2022

"Long-term use of synthetic fertilisers had helped Sri Lanka become not only food-secure but a major agricultural exporter," reports the London Times:

To replace synthetic with organic fertiliser, as the the government claimed it planned to do, five to seven times more animal manure would be necessary to provide the same amount of nitrogen to Sri Lankan farms as was delivered in 2019. Even accounting for the over-application of synthetic fertilisers, which is clearly a problem, and other uncertainties, there is almost certainly not remotely enough land in this small island nation to produce that much organic fertiliser….

Today, Sri Lankans face routine food shortages and power outages as long as 13 hours during the hottest time of the year. The country should be celebrating its New Year—but with widespread food shortages, India is supplying wheat, sugar and rice. Prices are soaring, people have to wait in long queues to fill their cars up with petrol and hospitals have been forced to cancel routine surgeries (critical medicines are also in short supply).


QUICK HITS

Really good debunking of Chris Rufo's reckless attempt to incite a new moral panic about school sex abuse, mostly by using the same tactics as his criticshttps://t.co/QAwdLihdz0

— Jesse Singal (@jessesingal) April 16, 2022

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    City won't pay after wrongful conviction.

    It's hardly the city's fault he's innocent.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      OK, but are the taxpayers at fault?

      Perhaps Dowdy should pay directly (pay-per-view gladiator fight to the death, organ harvest and auction, other?).

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Indentured servitude.

        1. Griffin3   3 years ago

          Yes. Both. But, please, won't you also consider asset forfeiture?

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          2. ImanAzol   3 years ago

            His family and coworkers can forfeit their assets. He gets Pay Per View with every pervert imaginable who wants to buy the privilege of using him.

      2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

        Wait, how can you do endentured servitude and combat to the death at the same time? Get your barbarisms straight! 😉

        1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

          I meant to direct this to Griffin3. However, Gtiffin3 is right that you could do asset forfeiture with either endentured servitude or combat to the death.

          Asset forfeiture is the great condiment with any ancient throwback of inhumanity! 🙂

          1. Eeyore   3 years ago

            Let the criminal pick thier choice of barbarism? Maybe let the victim choose?

            1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

              "Bust A Deal And Face The Wheel!"

          2. Griffin3   3 years ago

            Indentured servitude is not slavery, it is by definition limited in time. And THEN combat to the death - on Pay Per View!

            Keep those money making ideas rolling in!

            1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

              Indentured servitude isn't slavery, but the terms and conditions were usually so ridiculous and unconscionable that fewer people opted for it and no judge or jury would buy it. Also, it was too easy for the master to move goalposts on fulfillment of the agreement.

              Just let it go, Monacle-Polishers, let it go! 🙂

              1. Vampire Easter Bunnies in Space   3 years ago

                “After he hit my car with no insurance. The judge sentenced him to be my butler.”

      3. Stuck in California   3 years ago

        >OK, but are the taxpayers at fault?

        I suggest they should have made that decision before spending 4 million dollars defending the guy they suddenly don't want to be responsible for.

      4. FivebySixThree   3 years ago

        Niven - The Jigsaw Man - style!

    2. Jerry B.   3 years ago

      You’d think the Democrats who run Durham would be for restorative Justice for a Black man, but maybe money comes first.

      1. MSmith   3 years ago

        LOL. Money Always comes first. It's one of the few things Democrats and Republicans agree on (Democrats just try to hide it more).

    3. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      OK, you have to squint, and hold the monitor up to the light, but although the "author" tries very hard to hide it, the award was against Dowdy, not the city.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Since the officer that framed Howard was found to be acting in bad faith, the city won't pay.

    His training was not to get caught.

    1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

      This is why killdozers get built.

      1. Griffin3   3 years ago

        Thank you for sending down an amusing wikipedia side-trip.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        My killdozer protects you, your killdozer protects me.

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          Sometimes our killdozers need to go back-to-back. I've seen enough martial arts movies to know that works out.

          1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

            So, do killdozers hover and spin around in slow motion mid-air? And can they grab the coin from their master and track across rice paper without leaving a tread?

          2. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

            Two killdozers are sitting in a bar and the city of Durham walks in....

        2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

          So, does the Second Amendment apply to Killdozers, or would that fall under the catch-all 9th and 10th Amendment?

          1. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

            Not to 80% killdozers. You ought to see the size of the jigs.

            1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

              Do they have a folding stock and a thing that goes up? 😉

          2. NJ2AZ   3 years ago

            Killdozers are EXPRESSLY the concern of the federal government because any number of the molecules making up their parts may have at one point or another crossed a state line.

            1. NJ2AZ   3 years ago

              and even if they didn't, one man building his own killdozer in his own state from parts completely sourced within his state still affects the market for killdozers in other states.

              this is so obviously a matter of commerce among the several states..i'm ashamed i have to point it out on this forum.

              /s

              1. wagnert in atlanta   3 years ago

                Ah, the Wickard v. Filburn argument

                1. Vampire Easter Bunnies in Space   3 years ago

                  That should have been settled through arm wrestling.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Gross posits that the show's premise wouldn't fly in the U.S. because American parents coddle kids much more than our counterparts in other countries do...

    The other countries don't have American Exceptionalism to protect.

    1. JohannesDinkle   3 years ago

      I know some of these parents; they believe in social justice and American guilt for just about everything.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...the mean age at which American adults believed a child could be left at home alone was 13, bathe alone was 7 and a half, bike alone was around 10.

    This is either a newish development or new to rural America (if rural America is considered at all in this) because that was not my experience growing up.

    1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      Rural Americans were not polled, as they're still trying to hook up that new-fangled fax machine in the hay barn to file their taxes.

      It's better if you only talk to the sophisticated.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Hey, if the elites don't know everything, what good are they?

        1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

          Target practice?

      2. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

        I don't know why they just don't go to Kinko's

        1. Agammamon   3 years ago

          Goddamned dude - they don't have light rail out in the sticks. How can you expect these people to get to Kinko's if we don't build a rail line out to it? *THINK!*

    2. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      Yeah, same here. I was doing shit a lot earlier.

      1. JFree   3 years ago

        Before or after texting while driving, right turn on red, SUV's with no visibility of short peds, and the redesign of roads, schools, etc so that regular errands require longer distance travel?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Fuck you. How about handling actual machines with sharp parts without losing limbs and eyes? And working, outdoors and in, under conditions that would make urban office drones swoon? Oh, I forgot, they have their own mortal dangers, like carpal tunnel, and phone-induced hunched backs.

          1. JFree   3 years ago

            No surprise. You stupid fucks blame kids themselves for the increased dangers that adults create

            1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

              Where is he blaming kids for anything?

              1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

                It jfree he is still septuple masking

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              Stay in your basement.

        2. JimboJr   3 years ago

          Seriously dude you embarrassed yourself enough during COVID hysteria.

          The world is a dangerous place. Best you and your family stay in the bunker and fuck off. The rest of the world will continue on taking minor risks.

          1. JFree   3 years ago

            Americans aren't taking on minor risks. They are driving their kids fucking everywhere throughout their childhood and then wondering why their kids turn into pampered entitled snowflakes.

        3. R Mac   3 years ago

          Fuck off slaver.

        4. Agammamon   3 years ago

          > . . . the redesign of roads, schools, etc

          How do you envision this happening?

          'Hey guys, they rebuilt the road and now the corner market is a mile further away'? 'we can't add a new wing to the elementary school or that will make it take 10 minutes longer to get to'?

          1. JFree   3 years ago

            Single family zoning eliminates the mixed commercial -residential neighborhoods (Main Street) where you get many nearby neighborhood errands. And it produces lower customer density which means plac-based commercial has to have a bigger radius to draw from

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      But rural Americans demonstrate their primitive ethics by making people wait until they are 21 for gender reassignment surgery!

      1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        Real rural Americans don't do reassignment surgery.
        Those poor deluded rubes thing men are men and women are women.

    4. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      I knew it. You're only 7 and a half years old.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        REASON WOULDN'T LET ME HAVE AN ACCOUNT IF I WASN'T AN ADULT

    5. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Yeah, I still see kids walking a few miles to the bus-stop where I live now. Though, the population is low. I will also say that 7 is almost uncomfortably old to still be bathing your child.

      They should give the median age though.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        The Bidens figure heavily in that number.

    6. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      Funny, it doesn't look newish. 😉

      I'm a mixed bag. I walked to and from school alone, biked alone, explored in the woods, and went to stores alone all in my single digits, but I wan't a latchkey kid until 12.

      1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

        Oh, and so no one thinks I was a raunchy kid, I bathed myself alone at much younger than 7.

    7. Mr. Wheat   3 years ago

      Left alone at age from age 10 for a few hours after school (both parents worked), let loose on the neighborhood on my bike at age 5 with my brother and friends, bathing at 5, went outside to play with a quick "mom, I'm going outside", came home for a quick sandwich if I was hungry then back out, came home around dusk.

      Went screaming down a steep road, probably going about 35 mph on my bike before sliding off the side of the road in a heap, wrapped up in my bike with a broken femur at age 13. Five weeks of traction, three months in a body cast, three months in a hinged walking cast. Missed the start of the school year and didn't go back till January. Still graduated with my friends.

      Got spanked in public for acting out. Was left in the car while mom went shopping. Was smart enough to roll down the window or get out if it got too hot.

      Climbed huge trees and built scrapwood treehouses, played pickup kickball, dodgeball, football, basketball or just hung out. Anything to be outside.

      Bought cigarrettes for 45 cents from the vending machine outside the nearby Ponderoda Steakhouse at age 13.

      There really were good old days.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        Don't know how old you are but I'm 65 and that's pretty much how I grew up. If you broke an arm it was pretty much expected. I broke mine at 9. Fell out of a tree. The family doctor set it and put the cast on. No specialists involved. And nobody accused my parents of child abuse. After it healed up I was right back to damming up creeks for swimming holes, building forts, catching frogs and doing whatever else me and my brother and buddies could imagine. Sitting in front of a screen all day wasn't on the agenda.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Even accounting for the over-application of synthetic fertilisers, which is clearly a problem, and other uncertainties, there is almost certainly not remotely enough land in this small island nation to produce that much organic fertiliser…

    Come over to Capitol Hill in America; they have it in abundance. Am I right, people?

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      You are right.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Honestly. Sometimes. I think that in DC, the circus rolled into town, and then left. But the circus forgot to take their clowns with them...

        This joke is stolen from Scott Aukerman.

    2. Cyto   3 years ago

      This is why we need an upvote button

    3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      Even accounting for the over-application of synthetic fertilisers, which is clearly a problem

      Glad this statement is taken as fact at face value

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        Over-application would be a problem by definition, no? At the very least because you are spending more on fertilizer than you need to.

  6. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    "Really good debunking of Chris Rufo's reckless attempt to incite a new moral panic about school sex abuse, mostly by using the same tactics as his critics"

    "You can't use our tactics, that's unfair"

    Sex abuse by teachers and coaches occurs at a far higher rate than even sex abuse by Catholic priests. Maybe it's time for a little common sense examination of that.

    1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      Common sense is VERY racist. As is expecting punctuality, personal hygeine and literacy.

      Just be glad they're even willing to take the little plague vectors. What else are you gonna do, take care of and raise your own kids?

      1. Griffin3   3 years ago

        Funny, when you raise your own kids, they don't end up being repulsive pop-culture, angst-ridden plague vectors. Plus, if part of your homeschooling is that as soon as they get their work done, they can go outside, then they get something else none of these other children have today: muscle tone.

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      Yeah, probably. I'd still say it's best to avoid moral panic as that doesn't usually lead to sensible policy.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        Fuck public schools. Anything to hasten burning them down is good. If people are fleeing schools because they are worried about sex abuse even though the threat is exaggerated.... that's a still a good thing

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        I'd agree. Though there's the other side of this that if you level criticism against the wrong institutions then it will always be labeled a moral panic.

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          Ya, Rufo has done a great job laying out the arguments against the lefts indoctrination whether its about CRT or pedos.

          But he can lay out a list of events that have occured, with cites, and this is considered "moral panic".

          Apparently any criticism of the left is now "moral panic". And also any criticism of any people on the left is also some sort of "genocide" per their other favorite term of the week

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Stop pouncing!

        2. Zeb   3 years ago

          Fair. I don't know the details of what he's been saying, so I can imagine it may be mischaracterized.

          1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

            I can't imagine journalists mischaracterizing statements of centrists or those on the right these days, it saves time and provides a more accurate depiction of reality.

    3. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      Chris Rufo isn't the reason there are people freaking out over a bill they don't understand. When people tried to call him out by referencing the Catholic Church (which is a whataboutism besides), he directly pointed out that sexual abuse is just as common or more in schools.

      The story here is that people didn't like a bill, misrepresented what it was and what it did, and then pretended that people who came out to defend it were the ones being mendacious and using manipulative tactics. And so far, I've found Rufo to be much more honest than the critics of the bill, even if I still have some concerns about the bill.

      1. JimboJr   3 years ago

        Absolutely this. Rufo has done a good job listing out examples with cites of the left's overreach.

        They try to label him a hysterical reactionary with things like "moral panic!" so they can attempt to write off his examples of their misconduct.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Any concerted pushback against the left's agenda has always been considered "reactionary" going back to the French Revolution.

          It's "reactionary" in the same way antibodies are "reactionary" to the presence of a virus.

    4. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      Cite? The National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers may be powerful lobbies/unions with lots of corruption.

      However, unlike The Roman Catholic Church, neither of these organizations have the imprimateur of being both a Religion and a Nation-State. And history shows that Religions and Nation-States are by far the biggest mass-abusers and mass-murderers.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        "And history shows that Religions and Nation-States are by far the biggest mass-abusers and mass-murderers"

        Riddle me this Encog, what officially-atheist state didn't mass murder and abuse their citizens. Here's a list.

        So far the atheists seem to be batting 100, while religious countries are all over the place. That would indicate to me that state atheism causes mass murder and abuse 100% of the time, while state religion is irrelevant, but maybe you can give an example I wasn't aware of.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          HTML didn't take https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

        2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

          We've been through all this before. Nazi Germany wasn't officially Atheist and shut down the German Freethought Society.

          Stalin was an Orthodon Thological Seminarian who transferred his zeal to The Party, broke up the League of Militant Atheists, and reopened the Churches during and after WWII to rally the people and have a spy nest.

          Red China has an official State Catholic Church. Red North Korea's official religion is Juche. And only Communist Albania completely outlawed religion.

          And you still didn't answer my request for a cite about numbers of sexually abused by teachers or coaches vs. sexually abused by Catholic Priests. And that is not sealioning, that is a request for something not found in evidence.

          1. Kip Bucaram   3 years ago

            And that is not sealioning

            No, it's called being a lying piece of shit. Just like how you lied about state atheism in the most murderous totalitarian societies the world has ever known. You are defending fucking China which TO THIS FUCKING DAY is imprisoning, mutilating, killing, and organ-harvesting Muslim, Christian, Buddhist and Falun Gong religious minorities. But since it's just ever so fucking fun shoving facts and data up your gaping faggot ass, I'm here to help.

            Catholic child abuse in proportion

            1. Kip Bucaram   3 years ago

              AP: Sexual Misconduct Plagues US Schools

              1. Kip Bucaram   3 years ago

                Priests Commit No More Abuse Than Other Males

                1. Kip Bucaram   3 years ago

                  Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature

                  1. Kip Bucaram   3 years ago

                    Child sexual abuse in religiously affiliated and secular institutions: a retrospective descriptive analysis of data provided by victims in a government-sponsored reappraisal program in Germany

                2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                  They do teach shame about sexuality, including mere sexual thoughts, let alone talk about sexuality. They do teach that their Church and its Agents and Emissaries have the lock on Truth and that the Pope who heads that Church is infallible on all matters Ex Cathedra.

                  Put all that together, and that is a big invitation for abusers of children. And when other Denomonations emulate a simular model, they invite abuse too.

                3. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                  This article is not only weak sauce, but no sauce.

                  Since when did: "I know you are, but what am I?" and "We're no worse than anybody else" become moral arguments, especially for a Church that proportedly upholds moral absolutes?

                  1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                    I meant this about the Andrew Brown article, but it pretty much applies to Newsweek's article too.

                    The Newsweek article even admitted that there was no comparative survey done to substantiate the title's claim and that child abuse is among the most under-reported crimes. If it's under-reported, how, then is any comparative claim about Priests vs. other professions even possible???

              2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                All of that is indded horrible and all the more argument for Separation of Education and State. However, none of this negates or excuses the abuse of children by religion either.

                In fact, this abuse was exposed by a free and searching mediq who could utilize media archives, public records, and Freedom Of Information Act requests. How could FOIA requests be used with private religious organizations or with The Vatican, a foreign Nation-State as well as a religious body?

                And since The Vatican is a Nation-State with officials with Sovereign Immunity and Diplomatic Immunity and with Priests with Confessional privilege in many jurisdictions, their abuse wnd cover-ups are just as hard, if not more so, than teachers and coaches.

                To use abuse in Gummint Skoolz as an apple-polishing of abuse by religion is a Tu Quoque Fallacy, not to mention just absolutely shitty.

                1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                  Hard to prosecute, that is.

            2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

              Just because I pointed out Red China's Official Catholic Church does not mean I am defending Red China. In fact the exact opposite. Please become literate.

            3. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

              With all of these replies, I will conclude by saying:

              Fuck Off, Pope Worshipper!

  7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "The Sri Lankan government banned synthetic fertilizers and pesticides. It's been a disaster, decimating some of the country's formerly booming agricultural industries."

    Disaster? Sounds like a resounding success! According to woke green activists, environmental justice requires that all humans be reduced to starving subsistence farmers. Plus "industry" is bad, and should also be eliminated.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      It’s all bullshit.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      The goal of environmentalists is less people

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Also suffering, for the original sin of despoiling the earth.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Really good debunking of Chris Rufo's reckless attempt to incite a new moral panic about school sex abuse, mostly by using the same tactics as his critics...

    No one likes their tactics used against them.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      No one expects the Spanish Inquisition

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        How many tactics?

    2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      I didn't find it a particularly good debunking. I should sue for false advertising.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    What old-time saloons tell us about the pandemic's damage.

    The pandemic's mitigation policies' damage.

    1. Zeb   3 years ago

      Word. Pisses me off every time I hear people talk about what the "pandemic" caused as if the insane government reactions were an inevitable force of nature.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Look at it this way: the insane reactions were going to happen sooner or later; the pandemic was the most convenient trigger. Not exactly a "cause" but pretty close.

        1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

          cause = excuse

  10. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    "Elon Musk doesn't understand content moderation, argues TechDirt editor Mike Masnick."

    Mike Masnick on the other hand understands the value of censorship and propaganda very well.

    Only TeenReason would post a link to a pro-censorship article and leave it unchallenged.

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Private Companies aren't so private anymore, it seems.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Private companies will be tolerated as long as they comply with government directives. But still totally private (so no Constitutional issues).

    2. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      Imagine if people had learned of that salacious wingnut.com laptop conspiracy theory BEFORE the election. BadOrangeMan could still be sending mean tweets!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        What good is free speech unless it can be managed to produce the desired result?

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Be fair! Teens are perpetually on the edge of mental collapse and need protection from Evil Elon, who might force them to read some violent words or something.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Dangerous ideas and wrong opinions. Society doesn't let teens have too much to drink and it certainly shouldn't let them have too much to think. It could be hazardous.

        1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

          Unless, of course, they think they are trapped in the "wrong" body - - - - - - - -

  11. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Elon Musk doesn't understand content moderation, argues TechDirt editor Mike Masnick.

    The article uses the phrase "hate speech" unironically.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      The entire article reads like something straight from Pravda.

      Regime apologist spends 2000 words explaining why Twitter censorship is great. Amazing.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        he refers to "dangerously misleading false information" with a straight face..

        LOL. Forgets to mention all the cases where twitters millennial regime apologists ban you for saying true things in the name of "misinformation".

        1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          No one thinks Trump was banned for any reason other than the woke stalinists at Twitter dont like him. That's it.

    2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      If Elon Musk doesn't understand content moderation, I'm completely on board. Sounds fantastic.

      1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

        I would suggest that most of the media and even these companies don't understand content moderation, either.

        And I mean that seriously. They've hit a dead end in current practices. The bot style moderation is manipulable and heavily manipulated, the human moderation is obviously politically skewed, and more than a few of the lesser social medias -- like comment sections at news sites -- have just given up and shut down the comments. It's an impossible job that these companies are shitty at.

        It feels like we're long past the point where someone with a fresh perspective needs to think about bots and fifty centers in a different way. I'd rather that someone have a more healthy respect for public discourse and distaste for censorship of non-heterodox but genuine ideas.

  12. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    Remember, it takes two to make a culture war, so there was never a culture war until conservatives started fighting back.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      So it really is their fault for defending themselves.

    2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      Silly Conservatives, imagining there is CRT in the math book. What a thing to fight about, it’s just math

      1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        And yet, math IS racist, so - - - - - - - -

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Did you see the math example given? 2 math problems followed by a social sentence as one problem (answer was a,b,c as a single answer). You got the 2 math portions of the multiple choice for answer the social sentence example.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The culture war comes to math textbooks.

    And who fired that first shot?

    1. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

      Racist!

    2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      People are angry that Florida doesn't like the racism in the math textbook. Too bad there aren't a hundred years worth of previously published math textbooks to fall back on.

      If the math textbook is being political it's probably not for the best.

  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "The culture war comes to math textbooks."

    Homework problem:
    Shanique has four children from three different fathers. Her neighbor Juan/Juanita is transitioning. What pronouns should the children use to refer to him/her? (show your work)

    1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      But I heard CRT is only taught in college level courses.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Where's commiejeff radical collectivist to tell us that CRT is just about the history of slavery and stuff and how it's vital to teach it in mathematics?

        1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

          Oops! Beat me by 2 minutes! 🙂

      2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

        Look, it's quite simple.

        1. CRT is only taught in law school.
        2. Efforts to remove CRT from public K through 12 education are a direct attack on academic freedom.

        I'm sure chemjeff will be here shortly if you're still confused.

        #RadicalIndividualistsForRacialCollectivism

      3. Zeb   3 years ago

        CRT isn't taught in elementary schools. It's applied to the curriculum and pedagogical approach. Which is even worse. If they were teaching CRT itself the students would just be bored and confused.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      That’s the thing. None of the news coverage gives actual examples of what was found objectionable in the books, so hard to tell if Florida is overreacting or not.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Some examples have been given. You just ignore them.

        1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

          Really? Link please.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            See kuckland’s post below. That you ignored.

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          If CNN (who has been extremely unfriendly to such legislation) is not giving examples, it is because the examples are egregious and anybody wanting to decide for themselves would see that it is CRT.

          1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

            Florida DoE has not given any examples.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

              Florida DoE does not employ investigative reporters. CNN does.

            2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

              https://mobile.twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1506310297593823244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1506310297593823244%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newspageindex.com%2F03%2F2022%2F30%2F653760

          2. KAR-en   3 years ago

            Mormons need to clean their own house before forcing their disproven BS on others.

            Starting with getting magic underwearing, homophobic, transphobic racist cunt teachers out of schools in Yamhill county.

          3. JimboJr   3 years ago

            ^ guarantee its this

            If the examples were completely benign they would have them on the front page.

            This is also why they had to label the florida bill "dont say gay!" and never actually address what is really in the bill specifically the age groups.

            If they dont have the goods, they have to obfuscate and hope that their slack jaws will just walk away with "well, CNN told me they are just a bunch of bigots, so that must be the case"

  15. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    "The culture war comes to math textbooks"

    Maybe make a math textbook that teaches math instead of Critical Race Theory and you won't have that war. Don't try to lay your ideological eggs in the brains of other people's kids and peace is possible.

    1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

      There is no evidence that crt is in math text books.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        So the article ENB linked to is lying?

        Could be, it's CNN and they have a history of being dishonest for the Democrats. Maybe they're conflating a social textbook rejected for the CRT, with a math textbook rejected for the "unsolicited addition of Social Emotional Learning (SEL) in mathematics" or a failure to "align to B.E.S.T. Standards".

        1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

          There is no evidence because no examples of bad passages in books has been released by Florida.

          1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

            https://mobile.twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1506310297593823244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1506310297593823244%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newspageindex.com%2F03%2F2022%2F30%2F653760

            1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

              If you define any reference to diversity, equally, and inclusion as CRT then that would qualify. But that is not CRT. Also that is a statement of cooperate values, not an example from a text book.

              1. Zeb   3 years ago

                "CRT" is used as shorthand for all of that stuff. May not be accurate, but that's what people mean when they say it. You can't just dismiss it (well, you can, but it makes you an idiot). People are referring to things that are actually happening, even if you don't like the terminology they choose to use.

              2. Zeb   3 years ago

                And you are behind on your talking points. Now they have moved onto "OK, we are using CRT in schools, but that's really a good thing."

                1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

                  Not behind. I have been saying CRT should be taught in schools for a while. But what was linked should not be objectionable to anyone.

              3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                So you were lying.

              4. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

                Okay let's do the math problem in the link a different way.
                Instead of the Last question saying that disparity is the result of racism, the question could say the disparity is through racial inferiority

          2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

            There are a lot of examples, your just a retard

      2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        lol
        I think you mean "no evidence that the screen told me about"

  16. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    For the crt math textbooks the CNN article is light on facts and only spouts rhetoric. I am shocked!

    1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

      Florida so far has reused to make public any examples of crt in math books.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Yes. Reading all these news stories there aren’t any specifics, either. Is all he said/she said.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Totally not the journalists writing the articles fault, but that of the nefarious Florida Republicans.

          1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

            The journalists have a duty to try to gather the information outside of official sources. But if the Florida DoE is tight lipped then there is not much to do.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              You're such a lying fuck, Shrike.

              The article links to the FDOE press release, which links to the Instructional Materials Standards.
              https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/instructional-materials/

              It took me 3 seconds but neither you or the CNN journolismists could be bothered to do it.

              So pathetic.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Here's the FDOE Press Office release. You and Shrike can read it yourselves.

          https://www.fldoe.org/newsroom/latest-news/florida-rejects-publishers-attempts-to-indoctrinate-students.stml

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Why would they do that when they can be blissful in their ignorance?

        3. JesseAz   3 years ago

          There are actually many specifics, you refuse to investigate them.

          Rufo posts many of the examples. The Florida Governor Spox has also posted direct examples. You choose to be ignorant.

      2. CE   3 years ago

        I wonder why.

  17. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    The school rape panic? Any word on why a kisd is way more likely to be molested at a public school VS literally any other organization including church

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Hmm, if a ten year old girl is assaulted by a trans gym teacher with her lady dick, is that a crime?

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Absolutely. It's transphobic to call it assault.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          More of a sharing situation.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Practically a Woke baptism. The girl is blessed.

      2. JimboJr   3 years ago

        The crime is the trans genocide you are committing by saying anything negative about a tranny.

        Fucking bigot

  18. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Ugh. It's disappointing to witness CNN's descent to wingnut.com anti-Biden disinformation operation.

    Biden confronts a host of problems he can't do much to solve

    "In other words, there's not much Biden can do about the heaviest weights depressing his political standing, which has remained stuck in the avalanche-warning zone for months."

    What planet is this writer living on?!

    Biden is literally the best President ever. The economy is the strongest in US history. We got Putin right where we want him. Orange Hitler's concentration camps have been liberated and dismantled. The virus has been shut down.

    It's difficult to imagine why someone paid to write about politics would so fundamentally misrepresent the situation. Maybe Russia is blackmailing someone at CNN with a pee tape?

    #DefendBidenAtAllCosts

    1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      Joe would like to shake your hand.

  19. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    We in #TheResistance should be so proud of the role we've played over the past 5 or 6 years promoting this mature and rational attitude.

    Runners from Russia and Belarus will not be allowed to compete in the Boston Marathon on Monday. “We must do what we can to show our support to the people of Ukraine,” the chief of the Boston Athletic Association said.

    #LibertariansForGettingToughWithRussianAthletes

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      At least libertycabbage was about a war America was fighting in.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Someone needs to inform these people that all this signaling bullshit just reinforces Putin’s propaganda with Russians that everyone is out to get them.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          They wanted this war more than Putin did. It validates the last five years of their xenophobic rhetoric, and they're hoping they can push the blame for the tanked economy onto it.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Aren't we? I see the next phase of cancel culture here, trying to cancel an entire country.

    2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      That's just damn absurd!

      Russians and Belarussians (is that the right term?) need to see others of their nationality run and endure a Marathon! It will give the Ukrainian Russians a morale boost to defeat the Putineer invaders and will give domestic Russians and Belarussians a morale boost to stage mutiny, uprising, and a coup d'êtat against Putin!

      1. Think It Through   3 years ago

        No, we can't give Russians and Belarussians a chance to practice running away from the coming Ukrainian counteroffensive.

        1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

          Ukrainians include ethnic Russians and Russians from Russia also oppose Putin's war. Belarussians also have dropped their weapons against Ukraine.

          We'll all need a program to tell who's what, but I hope this counteroffensive is all humans vs. Putin and The Putineers.

          1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

            By the way, here's a story about people who don't know dick about either Putin or Ayn Rand:

            Many Republicans See Putin As A Rugged Individual Guided By The Ayn Randian Philosophy of of Self-Interest
            https://www.rawstory.com/many-republicans-see-putin-as-a-rugged-individual-guided-by-the-ayn-randian-philosophy-of-self-interest/

            1. Kip Bucaram   3 years ago

              Since the thread necromancer is such a pussy faggot he has to come back 12 hours after the thread has died to post his bullshit unchallenged, let us check out what Raw Story used to arrive at the conclusion that "Many Republicans See Putin As A Rugged Individual Guided By The Ayn Randian Philosophy of of Self-Interest"

              United States: Donald Trump's admiration for Vladimir Putin is well known. On February 27, Trump said: "Yesterday, I was asked by reporters if I thought President Putin was smart. I said, 'of course he's smart... The problem is not that Putin is smart, which of course he is smart, but the real problem is that our leaders are dumb."

              But Trump wasn't the only Republican leader to admire Putin. "Putin's high-profile admirers include alt-right agitator Steve Bannon and former White House communications director and presidential candidate Pat Buchanan. Prominent television host Tucker Carlson spoke out in support of Putin just one day before Russia invaded Ukraine, questioning whether Putin was the enemy liberals painted him to be: 'Why do Democrats want you to hate Putin? Has Putin shipped every middle-class job in your town to Russia? Did he manufacture a worldwide pandemic that wrecked your business? Is he teaching your kids to embrace racial discrimination?'"

              Late in January, a Yahoo/YouGov poll found "more than 6 in 10 Republicans and GOP-leaning independents (62 percent) now say Russian President Vladimir Putin is “a stronger leader” than Joe Biden."

              50 days into the war, most Republicans have changed their tune. According to the latest Pew Research Poll "69% of Republicans [describe] Russia as an enemy." (Only 6 percent express confidence in Putin.) Nonetheless, there are huge partisan divide on the conduct of the war; for example, like Marine Le Pen, most conservative Republicans do not have confidence in NATO.

              The latest Pew Research poll indicates that Americans are divided on the Biden Administration's handling of Russia's invasion of Ukraine: 47 percent strongly approve and 39 percent strongly disapprove. Opinion is divided along partisan lines: 69 percent of Democrats strongly approve and 67 percent of Republicans strongly disapprove.

              Donald Trump describing Putin as "smart" (note: note "moral" or "right" or "good"; "smart" in contrast to American politicians being "dumb"), Republican voters describing Putin as a "strong leader" (note: not a "moral" or "good" or "effective" leader; "strong" in contrast to Joe Biden being "weak"), unnamed Republicans in an unnamed poll indicating a lack of confidence in NATO, and 67% of Republicans in an unnamed poll strongly disapproving of Biden's handling of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

              If you're struggling to find anything in that scant data and implication to indicate that any Republican, anywhere, at any time, has ever described Vladimir Putin as "A Rugged Individual Guided By The Ayn Randian Philosophy of Self-Interest", it's because there is literally not one single thing cited in the article to support that. Not. One. Single. FUCKING. Thing.

              Don't post links hoping no one will read them you pathetic piece of bootlicking shit. I will always be here to shovel that manure right back up your gaped faggot asshole where it came from.

              1. Kip Bucaram   3 years ago

                Oh also, somebody may want to let shreek and Raw Story know that the United States is not at war with Russia, since their "analysis" of the above data includes this little nugget:

                Analysis: Note that since Russia invaded Ukraine, most Republicans have become negative on Putin and Russia, but have not rallied around President Biden. We're at war with Russia but unlike the situation in previous wars, Republicans have not rallied around the commander-in-chief.

                1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                  Ackshuyally, sanctions and embargoes can technically be considered acts of war, albeit Extra-Constitutional, and we haven't Constitutionally declared war since World War II, so there is that.

              2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                What makes this article so ridiculous is that the Rational Self-Interest espoused by Ayn Rand does not support or mean Putin's "Might Makes Right," "The ends justify the means" Authoritarianism. In fact, Ayn Rand immigrated to the U.S. precisely to get away from the Communists of which Putin was a part. Something you might want to study and compare yourself.

                Trump and his Trumpistas are even wrong in describing Putin as "smart" and "strong," especially since he's lost 20,000 + of the cream of his young citizens. And Putin has the Authoritarian's weak need to be surrounded by "Yes-Men" who won't tell him how bad he's fucked up. by invading Ukraine.

                And on top of that, members of the Evangelical Religious Right such as Franklin Graham, Jay Sekulow, and the QAnon-ers have supportee Putin as "smart," "strong," and "good."

                Anyway, Fuck Off, Revanchist Pope-Worshipper!

  20. Rich   3 years ago

    the mean age at which American adults believed a child could be left at home alone was 13, bathe alone was 7 and a half, bike alone was around 10.

    Oh, FFS! What was the mean age at which American adults believed a person could *vote*, say, or drive a car, or have consensual sex?

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      Vote: 106 if they are progressive 10 if not progressive
      Drive a car: 13 seemed to be the average age in Chicago
      Consential sex: this is a tough one because it's a sliding scale. Highschoolers should be able to concent with each other, but there should be a cut off for 18*

      *insert cheapshot about sbp here.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        I thought you meant inches.

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        Let’s not use “insert” and SPB in the same sentence.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      If you're sufficiently woke there shouldn't an age limit for the first and the last example, and "never, take public transport" for the second.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Hey, progressive parents want their children to do none of those things until age 21. But kids are clearly able to decide on gender assignment surgery at age 5.

  21. Rich   3 years ago

    the unsolicited addition of Social Emotional Learning (SEL) in mathematics

    *** googles SEL ***

    From the Collaborative for Academic, Social, and Emotional Learning website:

    "SEL is the process through which all young people and adults acquire and apply the knowledge, skills, and attitudes to develop healthy identities, manage emotions and achieve personal and collective goals, feel and show empathy for others, establish and maintain supportive relationships, and make responsible and caring decisions.

    SEL advances educational equity and excellence through authentic school-family-community partnerships to establish learning environments and experiences that feature trusting and collaborative relationships, rigorous and meaningful curriculum and instruction, and ongoing evaluation. SEL can help address various forms of inequity and empower young people and adults to co-create thriving schools and contribute to safe, healthy, and just communities."

    A lots guys might say *any* "addition" of SEL to a mathematics curriculum is inappropriate.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      James Lindsay has a great breakdown of sel and how horrible it is.

      Also I like how no one asks if sel is suppose to be good for kids how come childhood depression and suicide rises with sel being expanded?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Feature, not bug.

      2. Zeb   3 years ago

        Or mention that maybe the point of schools should be to provide useful education and not to manage a child's entire emotional and social life. The ever expanding mission creep of schools is not good.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      .. and collective goals,..

      The most important thing. (Next to skin color, of course).

    3. R Mac   3 years ago

      It’s weird neither Dee nor Molly responded to this post.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        They might be busy giving each other BJs right now.

    4. Zeb   3 years ago

      Anything that talks about "equity" or "identity" is a big red flag at this point.

  22. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    > In the Netherlands, for instance, Kois said that kids rode their bikes to school by themselves.

    OMG! Absolute anarchy!

    Just kidding. I got my first bike in first grade and rode a bike to school every day until I someone decided I needed to be bussed across town. Still rode my bike every since, except high school when I decided to walk instead. Better to walk with some pretty girls and cycle past them. Just saying.

    Now granted, there's a difference between rural and suburban and the city. I couldn't imagine riding a bike as an adult in New York or San Francisco, let alone as a child.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      I learned to ride a bike while I was still in diapers... At the age of 8

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Lol.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        You know who else wears diapers later in life?

        1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

          Race car drivers?
          Astronauts?

        2. R Mac   3 years ago

          Almost all of our ruling elite?

  23. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

    The city is legally right not to pay the money. They were not the ones sued. And it is very hard to sue a municipality for the actions of their cops.

    1. Griffin3   3 years ago

      If the city paid for the defense of the officer, I'm pretty they have admitted the the officer was acting as an agent of the city, and a legal case can be made. The problem is not the city's wrongness in not paying out the judgement; the city is wrong, owes the payment, and after an indeterminate amount of appeals this will most likely happen. The moral failure is, the city is deliberately refusing to do what is right for as long as they can, in hopes that the Mr. Howard dies before the payment is made.

      And thus I refer you to Idaho Bob's comment, above:

      This is why killdozers get built.

      1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

        No. One can pay for a legal defense without accepting liability for the conduct.

        1. Griffin3   3 years ago

          True. But in the case, the City of Durham admitted to employing the officer, training him, etc., al the necessary things you need in order to prove that the officer was acting as an agent of the city. All things that could be used to establish liability.

          I cannot find the final ruling after a quick search, but all the dismissed summary judgements were styled as "Howard vs. City of Durham" plus Dowdy and a separate defendant whose name started with an S. Assuming the final judgement was also against the City of Durham, which means the judge thinks the City is (jointly) at fault, and should pay damages.

          1. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

            Under US law, the departments are not liable for the actions of their cops unless the cop was fallowing department policy (formal or informal). And that is really hard to prove.

            1. Kip Bucaram   3 years ago

              It's funny how you argued literally the exact opposite when it came time to, say, publicly lynch Darren Wilson or settle with the estate of George Floyd for 27 million dollars.

      2. NOYB2   3 years ago

        If the city paid for the defense of the officer, I'm pretty they have admitted the the officer was acting as an agent of the city, and a legal case can be made.

        Paying legal expenses is likely just part of the employment contract. And until the court case was over, the city didn't know what the nature of the cop's conduct was.

        Now that all that has been resolved, the city may theoretically be able to recover legal expenses from the cop, but that's probably not worth it.

    2. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      Such a good slave you'll be.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        She's hoping to be a house dinger.

      2. MollyGodiva   3 years ago

        I am citing what the law is, not what it should be.

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          agency.

  24. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>kids rode their bikes to school by themselves.

    we're one generation removed from this.

    1. Minadin   3 years ago

      Rode my bike to school every day, 2 miles each way, from 2nd grade until 7th. Then, some administrator decided we suddenly could not be trusted to leave the school grounds without being accompanied by a parent or legal guardian.

      Circa 1992-ish.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        Yeah, in elementary school, it was like the cartoons. The doors opened and a hundred kids came running out and went...wherever they went.

        Teachers were done with us when the bell rang. We were our parents' problem at that point. Nobody cared about my social-emotional development as long as I wasn't a little asshole in class.

        We really have created a weird cult-like obsession with children.

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      I did this in Montgomery County, MD from the age of 8 or 9 on.
      Don't know that it would be wise to do so around there these days though...

      1. MK Ultra   3 years ago

        It would not be.

  25. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Elon Musk doesn't understand content moderation, argues TechDirt editor Mike Masnick.

    tldr: censorship is GOOD man, Elon just doesn't get it.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Sometimes... sometimes I get tired of folks telling me that my opinions are only held because I just don't understand.

      My getting ass raped is just misunderstood prostate stimulation. Why do I refuse to see that?

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        This is the woke defense of CRT in a nutshell. "man you just dont really understand that slavery was bad! You were taught a whitewashed version of american slavery and spent your whole life thinking it was pretty cool and now, only now, are the true facts coming to light and you just dont want to hear them!"

        WTF.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Sounds like almost word for word what Lying Jeffy said when the topic first came up

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      I did read it and it was more in the vein of gaslighting. A vigorous and convincing argument that some moderation is a necessary part of the process while completely ignoring the labeling of both opinions and science that contradict a particular party's desired narratives as 'misinformation'.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        The Soviets perfected this by pathologizing dissent. If you didn't support Stalinism it's because you were sick in the head and need "help" ... at the gulag.

        This is not that far off from "We must suppress misinformation! Also anything we dont like is now considered 'misinformation'"

  26. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

    How long before CA has the same result as Sri Lanka?

    That would have a significantly grater impact to the global economy. Those woke assholes in Sacramento will happily vote to regulate their agri-businesses out of CA. Reclaiming the land for Gaia, you see...and all of that nonsense.

    You reap what you sow.....How appropriate to Sri Lanka.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      I'm pretty sure I'll soon need to escape California.

      I dont mean leave because the lifestyle and taxes and regulations have become too annoying (they are).

      I mean "escape" as in "get out before the communists starve you or put you in a gulag"

  27. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

    Informal poll about taxes....

    1. I itemize: Yes or No
    2. I spent more than 4 hours doing my taxes: Yes or No
    3. I have my taxes prepared for me: Yes or No
    4. I do my own taxes (i.e. using TurboTax, Tac Act, etc): Yes or No
    5. I got a refund: Yes or No

    No, Yes, No, Yes, No

    For those who itemize, do you live in a red or blue state?

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Yes
      Yes
      No
      Yes (turbo tax)
      No

      My taxes this year were still for Colorado. But all my issues were federal regardless of that.

    2. Minadin   3 years ago

      No
      No
      No
      Yes
      Don't know yet.

    3. Rocinante   3 years ago

      No
      No
      No
      Yes
      No - Hell No!
      I had to pay an additional $20k but then the wife and I made more than the Bidens last year, deservedly so.

    4. CE   3 years ago

      I used to itemize every year. No point now. (Blue state.)

      I used to do my own taxes, on paper. It took about 8 hours. I switched to TurboTax last year, took about 3.

      I try to not end up with a very big refund. I can usually hit the Federal amount with 1K either way. California always over-withholds though.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        You can submit separate w-4 documents for federal and state withholding. Not all payroll software can accommodate different withholdings, but it is definitely not prohibited.

    5. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

      No
      Yes (normally we can do it in 2.5-3 hours or do, but this year TT had all sorts of fucking bugs, including one that made it impossible to file state taxes electronically).
      No
      Yes
      Yes

    6. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Yes, Yes, No (but I should), Yes, FUCK no. New Mexico, so, "Blue but oddly so".

    7. NOYB2   3 years ago

      1. I itemize: No
      2. I spent more than 4 hours doing my taxes: Yes
      3. I have my taxes prepared for me: Yes
      4. I do my own taxes (i.e. using TurboTax, Tac Act, etc): No
      5. I got a refund: No

      It's hard for me to estimate my taxes ahead of time, but I usually underpay; given inflation and the stock market, it comes out the same or slightly better.

    8. Griffin3   3 years ago

      Yes
      Yes
      Yes
      No
      Yes
      Red

    9. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      1. No - not since the change in the tax law. Used to itemize every year.
      2. Yes
      3. No
      4. Yes - TT
      5. I got a refund: No

      Further complicated by my living in two states during the year, moving and being briefly unemployed following the move.

      One other note: Got a refund I didn't need last year for the first time in many. This year paid more than I have in years even though unemployed for a brief period during the year.

    10. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      No, yes, no, no, no. I do mine the old fashioned way. Lots of numbers scrawled on the back of an envelope.

  28. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

    I'm suspicious of how common the events in "Old Enough!" are, even in Japan. I think people don't tend to make long-running sensationalist television series about things unless it's just a little unusual in the culture.

    That said. I live out in the rural desert now, and I definitely want a 2-year-old to go buy my whiskey. I'm a busy man. Lots of games to play. Things of that nature.

  29. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

    Pittsburgh officials and the entire news media have been censoring (i.e. refusing to reveal) the race of multiple shooters and their 11 victims in Pittsburgh, almost certainly because most (and likely all) were black.

    At midnight Saturday here in Pittsburgh, multiple still-at-large shooters fired 90+ bullets at party of 200 mostly juveniles at a rented AirBNB house, killing 2 youth, wounding 11 others, and sending everyone fleeing for the lives.

    Since then the Mayor's office and Police officials have been urging anyone who knows the identity of or has videos or other info about the shooters to contact the police.

    But 35 hours later, the Pittsburgh Police, the Mayor's office and the entire news media (with dozens of articles/stories worldwide) have REFUSED to reveal any information about the sex, age, race, height, weight of the suspected shooters, and similarly no information about the victims (except that the two deaths were juveniles).

    At yesterday's press conference, not only did NOBODY from the Mayor's office or the Police Department mention the race(s) of the shooters or victims, NOT ONE news reporter dare asked about the race of the shooters or the victims (for fear of being fired and falsely accused of being a racist).

    Meanwhile, our black Mayor (a BLM supporter who ran on improving race relations/equity, but now has covid and is in quarantine), his transgender press secretary, the Police spokesperson ALL blamed the shooting on "gun violence" and blamed PA's GOP legislature (for upholding the 2nd Amendment).

    Despite (and likely due to) the Mayor's (and the entire news media's) censorship of information on the race of the shooters and victims, everyone here in Pittsburgh has figured out that the shooters were almost certainly black, as were most/all of the shooting victims, and most/all of the 200 partygoers.

    The police and media have also refused to mention, or ask about, why 200 most juveniles were crowded into a AirBnB rental house after midnight on Easter Sunday (e.g. Do they have parents?).

    Sadly, I suspect that most of those partygoers don't live with their fathers, which is a key reason why young black males commit crime at a high rates.

    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      Are we about done with the idea that mass shootings/killings are something white people do? Waukesha, New York, Sacramento, Pittsburgh. I can't think of the last mass shooter who was a white male.

      Also, in the name of equity, we really need to encourage more females to go on shooting sprees just to balance out the numbers. There just aren't enough women committing untargeted, widescale shootings.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        Speaking of, heard anything about this one? Sure didn't make much splash.

        https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/16/us/shooting-at-south-carolina-mall/index.html

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      Drive bys during youth are just an expression of their culture, like knife fights. You need to check your privlage, racist.

    3. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      Somewhat off-topic, but some great news for Libertarian-minded people! A spontaneous worker's and customer's uprising against looting and thuggery!

      Workers Fight Back Against Thief At Charlotte Family Dollar
      https://youtu.be/z8d3KNI9-_Y

      These are workers and customers who encountered one of the real enemies of their paychecks, benefits, and bonuses and--instead of turning to Government or Cronyist Unions--they took matters into their own hands!

      These workers and customers got sick and tired of not having nice things because of looting thugs and had a spontaneous uprising against thuggery!

      The Realz Revolution was televised! Watch, Share, Wash, Rinse, Repeat, Learn, Do, Take Heart, and Enjoy! Coming Soon To A Town Near You!

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Imagine if everyone did that.

        1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

          Exactly!

          The Battle of Beatty's Ford Road Family Dollar, Charlotte, NC should be to Libertarians what The Loray Mill Strike in Gastonia, NC was to The Communists!

  30. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

    I've mentioned this before, but the Amber Hagerman case appears to have been the breaking point in terms of overprotective parents going from a few marginal instances to a national practice. It's not just walking to school or being entrusted to not burn the house down when you're 9 years old, it's the whole concept that kids have to be overseen and have their time managed every second of the day, versus providing them with instances to show they CAN be trusted with increasing independence and evaluating accordingly.

    1. Minadin   3 years ago

      I don't know if it's a problem nationwide, but in my area, seems like 90% of Amber Alerts are false alarms involving a custody dispute, and the other 10% are from not our immediate area, such as a suspected abduction in the KC area being broadcast to STL.

      1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

        That has been the trend with child abductions going all the way back to the milk carton "have you seen me" era.

        Almost invariably, statistically speaking, child abduction has to do with family. Usually an estranged parent, custody issue, etc.

        Yes, strangers have kidnapped children. But it is vanishingly rare.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          And if Reason had reported SPB to authorities when he posted those links here it would be even less.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Yeah, most of those do involve family members. I'm just saying that particular case seems to have broken Gen-X parents, and subsequently influenced the Millennials as they got older and ended up having kids of their own.

        1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

          Yup. It happens.

          Like how rumors started the whole "gotta have wrapped candy" halloween trick or treating shit. Never has a trick or treater been poisoned. More likely to get hit by lightning and then run over by a car than get poisoned candy. But every parent believes it.

          Some media spectacle or oddball event can do wonders for the zeitgeist. And it doesn't have to be common, or even true. People are REALLY bad at assessing risk.

      3. Griffin3   3 years ago

        Same here in FL. 95+% being non-custodianal parents (baby daddy, or weirdly often girlfriend-of)

  31. Cyto   3 years ago

    Think the green new deal folk couldn't get any wackier? Well, this guy is pretty far put there.

    https://twitter.com/globalfreedomm/status/1516079210640855046?s=10

    Wants to "engineer people" to be meat intolerant..... like lactose intolerant, but for meat.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Since all of the amino acids, fats and proteins from meat are found in your own body, I can't figure out how the hell he'd do that.

      Also, people aren't born lactose intolerant since they need to digest it from breast milk. As most non-northern Europeans and non-west Africans get older they stop producing the digestive enzyme lactase to handle lactose.
      That's why most scientists now regard "lactose intolerance" as a misnomer, and refer to the condition of adults digesting milk as "lactase persistence".

      TLDR, the guy's an idiot.

      1. NOYB2   3 years ago

        Since all of the amino acids, fats and proteins from meat are found in your own body, I can't figure out how the hell he'd do that.

        Humans are nearly unique among animals that we lack alpha gal on our cell surfaces, allowing humans to become allergic to alpha gal, making you "meat intolerant". An allergy to alpha gal frequently follows certain tick bites.

        TLDR, the guy's an idiot.

        What the guy proposes is technically feasible. In fact, you could likely simply add alpha gal to common vaccines to make large numbers of people "meat intolerant".

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      Progressives have been into eugenics from their very beginnings. From culling of the herd to bio-engineering better feeders and breeders, they would treat people no differently than livestock.

  32. NOYB2   3 years ago

    The twisted reasoning here seems to be that the city will only pay out if its cops and other employees were acting in good faith, not maliciously.

    I don't see what's "twisted" about that reasoning. The city didn't direct the cop to fabricate evidence, nor did the city condone or aid that behavior. The cop should be personally financially liable, not the city. It's unfortunate that the cop can't pay that amount, but that doesn't change who is and isn't responsible.

    1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

      Then the city shouldn't have spent four million dollars defending the guy.

      If the guy was at fault, he should have been thrown off the force and left to fend for himself. The city is neglecting its job of oversight of its employees if it cannot determine that one is falsifying evidence until after the guy loses his court case. His very vigorously defended court case.

      1. NOYB2   3 years ago

        Then the city shouldn't have spent four million dollars defending the guy.

        Paying for legal defense upfront is likely part of his employment contract.

        If the guy was at fault, he should have been thrown off the force and left to fend for himself.

        How is the city supposed to know that before the court case? The court case is where that determination is made.

        What the city can likely do is demand that the employee pay back what it spent on his legal defense, now that a court has determined that the employee is guilty.

        1. Kip Bucaram   3 years ago

          How is the city supposed to know that before the court case?

          Hurrrrrrrrrrr how was Jeffrey Skilling supposed to know that there was fraud at Enron before the court case???? DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

          God you're fucking stupid.

          1. NOYB2   3 years ago

            Skilling went to prison because he committed fraud. Furthermore, Skilling was personally responsible; he couldn't palm off his guilt on taxpayers.

            No judge has found that any city employee knew about, aided, or condoned the fabrication of evidence by police. If it turns out that any city employee did so, they will hopefully also be found personally guilty and will be personally liable.

            The city may be found liable if their procedures are generally inadequate if their procedures are faulty or if a judge finds that they are somehow required to indemnify their employees in these cases. But no judge has found that yet.

            Clear enough now?

  33. MSmith   3 years ago

    I get tired of reading this crap about cities, police departments or DA's refusing to follow the orders of a judge that's ruled against them. If the city of Durham won't follow the judges orders, he should issue a bench warrant and have the city council arrested and put in jail until they comply.

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  38. NOYB2   3 years ago

    As it turns out, the city made a settlement offer close to the actual award to Darryl Howard and he turned it down and chose to go to trial; after the jury found the detective guilty of malicious conduct, the city council was then legally prohibited from payout out the amount.

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