City Won't Pay $6 Million Awarded to Man Wrongfully Imprisoned for Decades
Plus: how a pesticide ban hurt Sri Lanka, how Japanese reality TV reveals deficiencies in American parenting, and more...

City won't pay after wrongful conviction. Qualified immunity allows law enforcement officials to get away with all manner of bad deeds. Now, the city of Durham, North Carolina, is proving that even if you overcome that obstacle, it won't necessarily be enough to get justice.
After a Durham detective fabricated evidence, Darryl Howard was wrongfully convicted of murder and imprisoned for more than two decades. A jury awarded Howard $6 million in the ensuing lawsuit, but the city if refusing to pay it.
Worse yet, the city is asking Howard to pay the legal fees of two city employees dismissed from the suit.
"I proved my innocence. I went through every court. Every judge says what this was, even the governor," Howard told the Raleigh News & Observer. "Now I have to fight again."
Back in 1995, Howard was convicted on two counts of second-degree murder and one count of arson. (Former Reasoner Radley Balko has more background on the case here.) In 2016, the convictions were vacated and the local district attorney dismissed the charges. In April 2021, Gov. Roy Cooper officially pardoned Howard.
And in December, a federal jury found former Durham detective Darrell Dowdy had fabricated evidence and conducted an incomplete investigation. The jury awarded Howard $6 million in damages.
The city spent more than $4 million fighting Howard's civil rights lawsuit, which originally included the city and several employees as defendants but ultimately just included Dowdy. Now the city says it won't indemnify Dowdy, whom it employed for 36 years. That means it won't pay the $6 million the jury awarded Howard.
The twisted reasoning here seems to be that the city will only pay out if its cops and other employees were acting in good faith, not maliciously. Since the officer that framed Howard was found to be acting in bad faith, the city won't pay.
More from The News & Observer:
A city resolution establishes a uniform standard in addressing claims against the city and outlines a policy to defend officers and employees against civil claims and judgments, city attorneys have said.
Unless the city has evidence or information to indicate otherwise, "the city generally proceeds under the presumption that, however conduct may have been portrayed in a complaint, the employee was engaged in the good faith execution of their duties on behalf of the city and was, thus, entitled to a defense," Rehberg wrote.
The City Council decided not to pay the judgment during closed session meetings between December and February, Rehberg wrote. The meetings were closed for attorney-client consultation to respond to demands made by Howard's and Dowdy's attorneys.
The city's resolution states that it's in the public interest to settle judgments against the city "if the facts and circumstances of the claim or the suit in which the judgment is entered show that the officer or employee was engaged in the good faith performance of his duties on behalf of the City when the act or omission giving rise to the claim or suit occurred," wrote Rehberg in an email, in which she added an emphasis on good faith. "A jury of Mr. Dowdy's peers determined that Mr. Dowdy engaged in fabrication of evidence and a bad faith failure to investigate," she wrote.
A lawyer for Dowdy told the paper "the city has known all along what Captain Dowdy did and decided to defend him on that basis."
FREE MINDS
What a Japanese reality series can teach America about parenting. "Americans have over-rotated on protectiveness in the past few decades and need to reconsider letting their kids do more by themselves," suggests New York Times parenting writer Jessica Grose. Grose is responding to Old Enough!, a Japanese TV show that is now streaming on Netflix. The series features children learning to run errands on their own.
Gross posits that the show's premise wouldn't fly in the U.S. because American parents coddle kids much more than our counterparts in other countries do:
It's not just Japan. In much of the rest of the world, kids are allowed to do more solo at earlier ages. Dan Kois, who wrote a book about traveling the world with his 9- and 11-year-olds, said, "Our experience in most of the places we lived in the course of that year, children, especially middle-grade children, were given enormous amounts of freedom that were totally incomprehensible" to the average American. In the Netherlands, for instance, Kois said that kids rode their bikes to school by themselves.
Though I knew American parents were more protective than some parents in other countries, I was surprised at the extent of the protectiveness. According to a 2012 analysis of a survey conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the mean age at which American adults believed a child could be left at home alone was 13, bathe alone was 7 and a half, bike alone was around 10.
here is a two year old who was sent to the grocery store with a flag that says "STOP" to help him cross the street pic.twitter.com/bUEUAr8gck
— Kathryn VanArendonk (@kvanaren) March 31, 2022
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The Sri Lankan government banned synthetic fertilizers and pesticides. It's been a disaster, decimating some of the country's formerly booming agricultural industries.
The ban on agricultural chemicals, taken "on the advice of environmentalists in the name of sustainable agriculture," has proved a thorough disaster. https://t.co/ynHxQ1kNh9
— Walter Olson (@walterolson) April 17, 2022
"Long-term use of synthetic fertilisers had helped Sri Lanka become not only food-secure but a major agricultural exporter," reports the London Times:
To replace synthetic with organic fertiliser, as the the government claimed it planned to do, five to seven times more animal manure would be necessary to provide the same amount of nitrogen to Sri Lankan farms as was delivered in 2019. Even accounting for the over-application of synthetic fertilisers, which is clearly a problem, and other uncertainties, there is almost certainly not remotely enough land in this small island nation to produce that much organic fertiliser….
Today, Sri Lankans face routine food shortages and power outages as long as 13 hours during the hottest time of the year. The country should be celebrating its New Year—but with widespread food shortages, India is supplying wheat, sugar and rice. Prices are soaring, people have to wait in long queues to fill their cars up with petrol and hospitals have been forced to cancel routine surgeries (critical medicines are also in short supply).
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Really good debunking of Chris Rufo's reckless attempt to incite a new moral panic about school sex abuse, mostly by using the same tactics as his criticshttps://t.co/QAwdLihdz0
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City won't pay after wrongful conviction.
It's hardly the city's fault he's innocent.
OK, but are the taxpayers at fault?
Perhaps Dowdy should pay directly (pay-per-view gladiator fight to the death, organ harvest and auction, other?).
Indentured servitude.
Yes. Both. But, please, won't you also consider asset forfeiture?
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His family and coworkers can forfeit their assets. He gets Pay Per View with every pervert imaginable who wants to buy the privilege of using him.
Wait, how can you do endentured servitude and combat to the death at the same time? Get your barbarisms straight! 😉
I meant to direct this to Griffin3. However, Gtiffin3 is right that you could do asset forfeiture with either endentured servitude or combat to the death.
Asset forfeiture is the great condiment with any ancient throwback of inhumanity! 🙂
Let the criminal pick thier choice of barbarism? Maybe let the victim choose?
"Bust A Deal And Face The Wheel!"
Indentured servitude is not slavery, it is by definition limited in time. And THEN combat to the death - on Pay Per View!
Keep those money making ideas rolling in!
Indentured servitude isn't slavery, but the terms and conditions were usually so ridiculous and unconscionable that fewer people opted for it and no judge or jury would buy it. Also, it was too easy for the master to move goalposts on fulfillment of the agreement.
Just let it go, Monacle-Polishers, let it go! 🙂
“After he hit my car with no insurance. The judge sentenced him to be my butler.”
>OK, but are the taxpayers at fault?
I suggest they should have made that decision before spending 4 million dollars defending the guy they suddenly don't want to be responsible for.
Niven - The Jigsaw Man - style!
You’d think the Democrats who run Durham would be for restorative Justice for a Black man, but maybe money comes first.
LOL. Money Always comes first. It's one of the few things Democrats and Republicans agree on (Democrats just try to hide it more).
OK, you have to squint, and hold the monitor up to the light, but although the "author" tries very hard to hide it, the award was against Dowdy, not the city.
Since the officer that framed Howard was found to be acting in bad faith, the city won't pay.
His training was not to get caught.
This is why killdozers get built.
Thank you for sending down an amusing wikipedia side-trip.
My killdozer protects you, your killdozer protects me.
Sometimes our killdozers need to go back-to-back. I've seen enough martial arts movies to know that works out.
So, do killdozers hover and spin around in slow motion mid-air? And can they grab the coin from their master and track across rice paper without leaving a tread?
Two killdozers are sitting in a bar and the city of Durham walks in....
So, does the Second Amendment apply to Killdozers, or would that fall under the catch-all 9th and 10th Amendment?
Not to 80% killdozers. You ought to see the size of the jigs.
Do they have a folding stock and a thing that goes up? 😉
Killdozers are EXPRESSLY the concern of the federal government because any number of the molecules making up their parts may have at one point or another crossed a state line.
and even if they didn't, one man building his own killdozer in his own state from parts completely sourced within his state still affects the market for killdozers in other states.
this is so obviously a matter of commerce among the several states..i'm ashamed i have to point it out on this forum.
/s
Ah, the Wickard v. Filburn argument
That should have been settled through arm wrestling.
Gross posits that the show's premise wouldn't fly in the U.S. because American parents coddle kids much more than our counterparts in other countries do...
The other countries don't have American Exceptionalism to protect.
I know some of these parents; they believe in social justice and American guilt for just about everything.
...the mean age at which American adults believed a child could be left at home alone was 13, bathe alone was 7 and a half, bike alone was around 10.
This is either a newish development or new to rural America (if rural America is considered at all in this) because that was not my experience growing up.
Rural Americans were not polled, as they're still trying to hook up that new-fangled fax machine in the hay barn to file their taxes.
It's better if you only talk to the sophisticated.
Hey, if the elites don't know everything, what good are they?
Target practice?
I don't know why they just don't go to Kinko's
Goddamned dude - they don't have light rail out in the sticks. How can you expect these people to get to Kinko's if we don't build a rail line out to it? *THINK!*
Yeah, same here. I was doing shit a lot earlier.
Before or after texting while driving, right turn on red, SUV's with no visibility of short peds, and the redesign of roads, schools, etc so that regular errands require longer distance travel?
Fuck you. How about handling actual machines with sharp parts without losing limbs and eyes? And working, outdoors and in, under conditions that would make urban office drones swoon? Oh, I forgot, they have their own mortal dangers, like carpal tunnel, and phone-induced hunched backs.
No surprise. You stupid fucks blame kids themselves for the increased dangers that adults create
Where is he blaming kids for anything?
It jfree he is still septuple masking
Stay in your basement.
Seriously dude you embarrassed yourself enough during COVID hysteria.
The world is a dangerous place. Best you and your family stay in the bunker and fuck off. The rest of the world will continue on taking minor risks.
Americans aren't taking on minor risks. They are driving their kids fucking everywhere throughout their childhood and then wondering why their kids turn into pampered entitled snowflakes.
Fuck off slaver.
> . . . the redesign of roads, schools, etc
How do you envision this happening?
'Hey guys, they rebuilt the road and now the corner market is a mile further away'? 'we can't add a new wing to the elementary school or that will make it take 10 minutes longer to get to'?
Single family zoning eliminates the mixed commercial -residential neighborhoods (Main Street) where you get many nearby neighborhood errands. And it produces lower customer density which means plac-based commercial has to have a bigger radius to draw from
But rural Americans demonstrate their primitive ethics by making people wait until they are 21 for gender reassignment surgery!
Real rural Americans don't do reassignment surgery.
Those poor deluded rubes thing men are men and women are women.
I knew it. You're only 7 and a half years old.
REASON WOULDN'T LET ME HAVE AN ACCOUNT IF I WASN'T AN ADULT
Yeah, I still see kids walking a few miles to the bus-stop where I live now. Though, the population is low. I will also say that 7 is almost uncomfortably old to still be bathing your child.
They should give the median age though.
The Bidens figure heavily in that number.
Funny, it doesn't look newish. 😉
I'm a mixed bag. I walked to and from school alone, biked alone, explored in the woods, and went to stores alone all in my single digits, but I wan't a latchkey kid until 12.
Oh, and so no one thinks I was a raunchy kid, I bathed myself alone at much younger than 7.
Left alone at age from age 10 for a few hours after school (both parents worked), let loose on the neighborhood on my bike at age 5 with my brother and friends, bathing at 5, went outside to play with a quick "mom, I'm going outside", came home for a quick sandwich if I was hungry then back out, came home around dusk.
Went screaming down a steep road, probably going about 35 mph on my bike before sliding off the side of the road in a heap, wrapped up in my bike with a broken femur at age 13. Five weeks of traction, three months in a body cast, three months in a hinged walking cast. Missed the start of the school year and didn't go back till January. Still graduated with my friends.
Got spanked in public for acting out. Was left in the car while mom went shopping. Was smart enough to roll down the window or get out if it got too hot.
Climbed huge trees and built scrapwood treehouses, played pickup kickball, dodgeball, football, basketball or just hung out. Anything to be outside.
Bought cigarrettes for 45 cents from the vending machine outside the nearby Ponderoda Steakhouse at age 13.
There really were good old days.
Don't know how old you are but I'm 65 and that's pretty much how I grew up. If you broke an arm it was pretty much expected. I broke mine at 9. Fell out of a tree. The family doctor set it and put the cast on. No specialists involved. And nobody accused my parents of child abuse. After it healed up I was right back to damming up creeks for swimming holes, building forts, catching frogs and doing whatever else me and my brother and buddies could imagine. Sitting in front of a screen all day wasn't on the agenda.
Even accounting for the over-application of synthetic fertilisers, which is clearly a problem, and other uncertainties, there is almost certainly not remotely enough land in this small island nation to produce that much organic fertiliser…
Come over to Capitol Hill in America; they have it in abundance. Am I right, people?
You are right.
Honestly. Sometimes. I think that in DC, the circus rolled into town, and then left. But the circus forgot to take their clowns with them...
This joke is stolen from Scott Aukerman.
This is why we need an upvote button
Even accounting for the over-application of synthetic fertilisers, which is clearly a problem
Glad this statement is taken as fact at face value
Over-application would be a problem by definition, no? At the very least because you are spending more on fertilizer than you need to.
"Really good debunking of Chris Rufo's reckless attempt to incite a new moral panic about school sex abuse, mostly by using the same tactics as his critics"
"You can't use our tactics, that's unfair"
Sex abuse by teachers and coaches occurs at a far higher rate than even sex abuse by Catholic priests. Maybe it's time for a little common sense examination of that.
Common sense is VERY racist. As is expecting punctuality, personal hygeine and literacy.
Just be glad they're even willing to take the little plague vectors. What else are you gonna do, take care of and raise your own kids?
Funny, when you raise your own kids, they don't end up being repulsive pop-culture, angst-ridden plague vectors. Plus, if part of your homeschooling is that as soon as they get their work done, they can go outside, then they get something else none of these other children have today: muscle tone.
Yeah, probably. I'd still say it's best to avoid moral panic as that doesn't usually lead to sensible policy.
Fuck public schools. Anything to hasten burning them down is good. If people are fleeing schools because they are worried about sex abuse even though the threat is exaggerated.... that's a still a good thing
I'd agree. Though there's the other side of this that if you level criticism against the wrong institutions then it will always be labeled a moral panic.
Ya, Rufo has done a great job laying out the arguments against the lefts indoctrination whether its about CRT or pedos.
But he can lay out a list of events that have occured, with cites, and this is considered "moral panic".
Apparently any criticism of the left is now "moral panic". And also any criticism of any people on the left is also some sort of "genocide" per their other favorite term of the week
Stop pouncing!
Fair. I don't know the details of what he's been saying, so I can imagine it may be mischaracterized.
I can't imagine journalists mischaracterizing statements of centrists or those on the right these days, it saves time and provides a more accurate depiction of reality.
Chris Rufo isn't the reason there are people freaking out over a bill they don't understand. When people tried to call him out by referencing the Catholic Church (which is a whataboutism besides), he directly pointed out that sexual abuse is just as common or more in schools.
The story here is that people didn't like a bill, misrepresented what it was and what it did, and then pretended that people who came out to defend it were the ones being mendacious and using manipulative tactics. And so far, I've found Rufo to be much more honest than the critics of the bill, even if I still have some concerns about the bill.
Absolutely this. Rufo has done a good job listing out examples with cites of the left's overreach.
They try to label him a hysterical reactionary with things like "moral panic!" so they can attempt to write off his examples of their misconduct.
Any concerted pushback against the left's agenda has always been considered "reactionary" going back to the French Revolution.
It's "reactionary" in the same way antibodies are "reactionary" to the presence of a virus.
Cite? The National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers may be powerful lobbies/unions with lots of corruption.
However, unlike The Roman Catholic Church, neither of these organizations have the imprimateur of being both a Religion and a Nation-State. And history shows that Religions and Nation-States are by far the biggest mass-abusers and mass-murderers.
"And history shows that Religions and Nation-States are by far the biggest mass-abusers and mass-murderers"
Riddle me this Encog, what officially-atheist state didn't mass murder and abuse their citizens. Here's a list.
So far the atheists seem to be batting 100, while religious countries are all over the place. That would indicate to me that state atheism causes mass murder and abuse 100% of the time, while state religion is irrelevant, but maybe you can give an example I wasn't aware of.
HTML didn't take https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
We've been through all this before. Nazi Germany wasn't officially Atheist and shut down the German Freethought Society.
Stalin was an Orthodon Thological Seminarian who transferred his zeal to The Party, broke up the League of Militant Atheists, and reopened the Churches during and after WWII to rally the people and have a spy nest.
Red China has an official State Catholic Church. Red North Korea's official religion is Juche. And only Communist Albania completely outlawed religion.
And you still didn't answer my request for a cite about numbers of sexually abused by teachers or coaches vs. sexually abused by Catholic Priests. And that is not sealioning, that is a request for something not found in evidence.
No, it's called being a lying piece of shit. Just like how you lied about state atheism in the most murderous totalitarian societies the world has ever known. You are defending fucking China which TO THIS FUCKING DAY is imprisoning, mutilating, killing, and organ-harvesting Muslim, Christian, Buddhist and Falun Gong religious minorities. But since it's just ever so fucking fun shoving facts and data up your gaping faggot ass, I'm here to help.
Catholic child abuse in proportion
AP: Sexual Misconduct Plagues US Schools
Priests Commit No More Abuse Than Other Males
Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature
Child sexual abuse in religiously affiliated and secular institutions: a retrospective descriptive analysis of data provided by victims in a government-sponsored reappraisal program in Germany
They do teach shame about sexuality, including mere sexual thoughts, let alone talk about sexuality. They do teach that their Church and its Agents and Emissaries have the lock on Truth and that the Pope who heads that Church is infallible on all matters Ex Cathedra.
Put all that together, and that is a big invitation for abusers of children. And when other Denomonations emulate a simular model, they invite abuse too.
This article is not only weak sauce, but no sauce.
Since when did: "I know you are, but what am I?" and "We're no worse than anybody else" become moral arguments, especially for a Church that proportedly upholds moral absolutes?
I meant this about the Andrew Brown article, but it pretty much applies to Newsweek's article too.
The Newsweek article even admitted that there was no comparative survey done to substantiate the title's claim and that child abuse is among the most under-reported crimes. If it's under-reported, how, then is any comparative claim about Priests vs. other professions even possible???
All of that is indded horrible and all the more argument for Separation of Education and State. However, none of this negates or excuses the abuse of children by religion either.
In fact, this abuse was exposed by a free and searching mediq who could utilize media archives, public records, and Freedom Of Information Act requests. How could FOIA requests be used with private religious organizations or with The Vatican, a foreign Nation-State as well as a religious body?
And since The Vatican is a Nation-State with officials with Sovereign Immunity and Diplomatic Immunity and with Priests with Confessional privilege in many jurisdictions, their abuse wnd cover-ups are just as hard, if not more so, than teachers and coaches.
To use abuse in Gummint Skoolz as an apple-polishing of abuse by religion is a Tu Quoque Fallacy, not to mention just absolutely shitty.
Hard to prosecute, that is.
Just because I pointed out Red China's Official Catholic Church does not mean I am defending Red China. In fact the exact opposite. Please become literate.
With all of these replies, I will conclude by saying:
Fuck Off, Pope Worshipper!
"The Sri Lankan government banned synthetic fertilizers and pesticides. It's been a disaster, decimating some of the country's formerly booming agricultural industries."
Disaster? Sounds like a resounding success! According to woke green activists, environmental justice requires that all humans be reduced to starving subsistence farmers. Plus "industry" is bad, and should also be eliminated.
It’s all bullshit.
The goal of environmentalists is less people
Also suffering, for the original sin of despoiling the earth.
Really good debunking of Chris Rufo's reckless attempt to incite a new moral panic about school sex abuse, mostly by using the same tactics as his critics...
No one likes their tactics used against them.
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition
How many tactics?
I didn't find it a particularly good debunking. I should sue for false advertising.
What old-time saloons tell us about the pandemic's damage.
The pandemic's mitigation policies' damage.
Word. Pisses me off every time I hear people talk about what the "pandemic" caused as if the insane government reactions were an inevitable force of nature.
Look at it this way: the insane reactions were going to happen sooner or later; the pandemic was the most convenient trigger. Not exactly a "cause" but pretty close.
cause = excuse
"Elon Musk doesn't understand content moderation, argues TechDirt editor Mike Masnick."
Mike Masnick on the other hand understands the value of censorship and propaganda very well.
Only TeenReason would post a link to a pro-censorship article and leave it unchallenged.
Private Companies aren't so private anymore, it seems.
Private companies will be tolerated as long as they comply with government directives. But still totally private (so no Constitutional issues).
Imagine if people had learned of that salacious wingnut.com laptop conspiracy theory BEFORE the election. BadOrangeMan could still be sending mean tweets!
What good is free speech unless it can be managed to produce the desired result?
Be fair! Teens are perpetually on the edge of mental collapse and need protection from Evil Elon, who might force them to read some violent words or something.
Dangerous ideas and wrong opinions. Society doesn't let teens have too much to drink and it certainly shouldn't let them have too much to think. It could be hazardous.
Unless, of course, they think they are trapped in the "wrong" body - - - - - - - -
Elon Musk doesn't understand content moderation, argues TechDirt editor Mike Masnick.
The article uses the phrase "hate speech" unironically.
The entire article reads like something straight from Pravda.
Regime apologist spends 2000 words explaining why Twitter censorship is great. Amazing.
he refers to "dangerously misleading false information" with a straight face..
LOL. Forgets to mention all the cases where twitters millennial regime apologists ban you for saying true things in the name of "misinformation".
No one thinks Trump was banned for any reason other than the woke stalinists at Twitter dont like him. That's it.
If Elon Musk doesn't understand content moderation, I'm completely on board. Sounds fantastic.
I would suggest that most of the media and even these companies don't understand content moderation, either.
And I mean that seriously. They've hit a dead end in current practices. The bot style moderation is manipulable and heavily manipulated, the human moderation is obviously politically skewed, and more than a few of the lesser social medias -- like comment sections at news sites -- have just given up and shut down the comments. It's an impossible job that these companies are shitty at.
It feels like we're long past the point where someone with a fresh perspective needs to think about bots and fifty centers in a different way. I'd rather that someone have a more healthy respect for public discourse and distaste for censorship of non-heterodox but genuine ideas.
Remember, it takes two to make a culture war, so there was never a culture war until conservatives started fighting back.
So it really is their fault for defending themselves.
Silly Conservatives, imagining there is CRT in the math book. What a thing to fight about, it’s just math
And yet, math IS racist, so - - - - - - - -
Did you see the math example given? 2 math problems followed by a social sentence as one problem (answer was a,b,c as a single answer). You got the 2 math portions of the multiple choice for answer the social sentence example.
The culture war comes to math textbooks.
And who fired that first shot?
Racist!
People are angry that Florida doesn't like the racism in the math textbook. Too bad there aren't a hundred years worth of previously published math textbooks to fall back on.
If the math textbook is being political it's probably not for the best.
"The culture war comes to math textbooks."
Homework problem:
Shanique has four children from three different fathers. Her neighbor Juan/Juanita is transitioning. What pronouns should the children use to refer to him/her? (show your work)
But I heard CRT is only taught in college level courses.
Where's commiejeff radical collectivist to tell us that CRT is just about the history of slavery and stuff and how it's vital to teach it in mathematics?
Oops! Beat me by 2 minutes! 🙂
Look, it's quite simple.
1. CRT is only taught in law school.
2. Efforts to remove CRT from public K through 12 education are a direct attack on academic freedom.
I'm sure chemjeff will be here shortly if you're still confused.
#RadicalIndividualistsForRacialCollectivism
CRT isn't taught in elementary schools. It's applied to the curriculum and pedagogical approach. Which is even worse. If they were teaching CRT itself the students would just be bored and confused.
That’s the thing. None of the news coverage gives actual examples of what was found objectionable in the books, so hard to tell if Florida is overreacting or not.
Some examples have been given. You just ignore them.
Really? Link please.
See kuckland’s post below. That you ignored.
If CNN (who has been extremely unfriendly to such legislation) is not giving examples, it is because the examples are egregious and anybody wanting to decide for themselves would see that it is CRT.
Florida DoE has not given any examples.
Florida DoE does not employ investigative reporters. CNN does.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1506310297593823244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1506310297593823244%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newspageindex.com%2F03%2F2022%2F30%2F653760
Mormons need to clean their own house before forcing their disproven BS on others.
Starting with getting magic underwearing, homophobic, transphobic racist cunt teachers out of schools in Yamhill county.
^ guarantee its this
If the examples were completely benign they would have them on the front page.
This is also why they had to label the florida bill "dont say gay!" and never actually address what is really in the bill specifically the age groups.
If they dont have the goods, they have to obfuscate and hope that their slack jaws will just walk away with "well, CNN told me they are just a bunch of bigots, so that must be the case"
"The culture war comes to math textbooks"
Maybe make a math textbook that teaches math instead of Critical Race Theory and you won't have that war. Don't try to lay your ideological eggs in the brains of other people's kids and peace is possible.
There is no evidence that crt is in math text books.
So the article ENB linked to is lying?
Could be, it's CNN and they have a history of being dishonest for the Democrats. Maybe they're conflating a social textbook rejected for the CRT, with a math textbook rejected for the "unsolicited addition of Social Emotional Learning (SEL) in mathematics" or a failure to "align to B.E.S.T. Standards".
There is no evidence because no examples of bad passages in books has been released by Florida.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1506310297593823244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1506310297593823244%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newspageindex.com%2F03%2F2022%2F30%2F653760
If you define any reference to diversity, equally, and inclusion as CRT then that would qualify. But that is not CRT. Also that is a statement of cooperate values, not an example from a text book.
"CRT" is used as shorthand for all of that stuff. May not be accurate, but that's what people mean when they say it. You can't just dismiss it (well, you can, but it makes you an idiot). People are referring to things that are actually happening, even if you don't like the terminology they choose to use.
And you are behind on your talking points. Now they have moved onto "OK, we are using CRT in schools, but that's really a good thing."
Not behind. I have been saying CRT should be taught in schools for a while. But what was linked should not be objectionable to anyone.
So you were lying.
Okay let's do the math problem in the link a different way.
Instead of the Last question saying that disparity is the result of racism, the question could say the disparity is through racial inferiority
There are a lot of examples, your just a retard
lol
I think you mean "no evidence that the screen told me about"
For the crt math textbooks the CNN article is light on facts and only spouts rhetoric. I am shocked!
Florida so far has reused to make public any examples of crt in math books.
Yes. Reading all these news stories there aren’t any specifics, either. Is all he said/she said.
Totally not the journalists writing the articles fault, but that of the nefarious Florida Republicans.
The journalists have a duty to try to gather the information outside of official sources. But if the Florida DoE is tight lipped then there is not much to do.
You're such a lying fuck, Shrike.
The article links to the FDOE press release, which links to the Instructional Materials Standards.
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/instructional-materials/
It took me 3 seconds but neither you or the CNN journolismists could be bothered to do it.
So pathetic.
Here's the FDOE Press Office release. You and Shrike can read it yourselves.
https://www.fldoe.org/newsroom/latest-news/florida-rejects-publishers-attempts-to-indoctrinate-students.stml
Why would they do that when they can be blissful in their ignorance?
There are actually many specifics, you refuse to investigate them.
Rufo posts many of the examples. The Florida Governor Spox has also posted direct examples. You choose to be ignorant.
I wonder why.
The school rape panic? Any word on why a kisd is way more likely to be molested at a public school VS literally any other organization including church
Hmm, if a ten year old girl is assaulted by a trans gym teacher with her lady dick, is that a crime?
Absolutely. It's transphobic to call it assault.
More of a sharing situation.
Practically a Woke baptism. The girl is blessed.
The crime is the trans genocide you are committing by saying anything negative about a tranny.
Fucking bigot
Ugh. It's disappointing to witness CNN's descent to wingnut.com anti-Biden disinformation operation.
Biden confronts a host of problems he can't do much to solve
"In other words, there's not much Biden can do about the heaviest weights depressing his political standing, which has remained stuck in the avalanche-warning zone for months."
What planet is this writer living on?!
Biden is literally the best President ever. The economy is the strongest in US history. We got Putin right where we want him. Orange Hitler's concentration camps have been liberated and dismantled. The virus has been shut down.
It's difficult to imagine why someone paid to write about politics would so fundamentally misrepresent the situation. Maybe Russia is blackmailing someone at CNN with a pee tape?
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
Joe would like to shake your hand.
We in #TheResistance should be so proud of the role we've played over the past 5 or 6 years promoting this mature and rational attitude.
Runners from Russia and Belarus will not be allowed to compete in the Boston Marathon on Monday. “We must do what we can to show our support to the people of Ukraine,” the chief of the Boston Athletic Association said.
#LibertariansForGettingToughWithRussianAthletes
At least libertycabbage was about a war America was fighting in.
Someone needs to inform these people that all this signaling bullshit just reinforces Putin’s propaganda with Russians that everyone is out to get them.
They wanted this war more than Putin did. It validates the last five years of their xenophobic rhetoric, and they're hoping they can push the blame for the tanked economy onto it.
Aren't we? I see the next phase of cancel culture here, trying to cancel an entire country.
That's just damn absurd!
Russians and Belarussians (is that the right term?) need to see others of their nationality run and endure a Marathon! It will give the Ukrainian Russians a morale boost to defeat the Putineer invaders and will give domestic Russians and Belarussians a morale boost to stage mutiny, uprising, and a coup d'êtat against Putin!
No, we can't give Russians and Belarussians a chance to practice running away from the coming Ukrainian counteroffensive.
Ukrainians include ethnic Russians and Russians from Russia also oppose Putin's war. Belarussians also have dropped their weapons against Ukraine.
We'll all need a program to tell who's what, but I hope this counteroffensive is all humans vs. Putin and The Putineers.
By the way, here's a story about people who don't know dick about either Putin or Ayn Rand:
Many Republicans See Putin As A Rugged Individual Guided By The Ayn Randian Philosophy of of Self-Interest
https://www.rawstory.com/many-republicans-see-putin-as-a-rugged-individual-guided-by-the-ayn-randian-philosophy-of-self-interest/
Since the thread necromancer is such a pussy faggot he has to come back 12 hours after the thread has died to post his bullshit unchallenged, let us check out what Raw Story used to arrive at the conclusion that "Many Republicans See Putin As A Rugged Individual Guided By The Ayn Randian Philosophy of of Self-Interest"
Donald Trump describing Putin as "smart" (note: note "moral" or "right" or "good"; "smart" in contrast to American politicians being "dumb"), Republican voters describing Putin as a "strong leader" (note: not a "moral" or "good" or "effective" leader; "strong" in contrast to Joe Biden being "weak"), unnamed Republicans in an unnamed poll indicating a lack of confidence in NATO, and 67% of Republicans in an unnamed poll strongly disapproving of Biden's handling of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
If you're struggling to find anything in that scant data and implication to indicate that any Republican, anywhere, at any time, has ever described Vladimir Putin as "A Rugged Individual Guided By The Ayn Randian Philosophy of Self-Interest", it's because there is literally not one single thing cited in the article to support that. Not. One. Single. FUCKING. Thing.
Don't post links hoping no one will read them you pathetic piece of bootlicking shit. I will always be here to shovel that manure right back up your gaped faggot asshole where it came from.
Oh also, somebody may want to let shreek and Raw Story know that the United States is not at war with Russia, since their "analysis" of the above data includes this little nugget:
Analysis: Note that since Russia invaded Ukraine, most Republicans have become negative on Putin and Russia, but have not rallied around President Biden. We're at war with Russia but unlike the situation in previous wars, Republicans have not rallied around the commander-in-chief.
Ackshuyally, sanctions and embargoes can technically be considered acts of war, albeit Extra-Constitutional, and we haven't Constitutionally declared war since World War II, so there is that.
What makes this article so ridiculous is that the Rational Self-Interest espoused by Ayn Rand does not support or mean Putin's "Might Makes Right," "The ends justify the means" Authoritarianism. In fact, Ayn Rand immigrated to the U.S. precisely to get away from the Communists of which Putin was a part. Something you might want to study and compare yourself.
Trump and his Trumpistas are even wrong in describing Putin as "smart" and "strong," especially since he's lost 20,000 + of the cream of his young citizens. And Putin has the Authoritarian's weak need to be surrounded by "Yes-Men" who won't tell him how bad he's fucked up. by invading Ukraine.
And on top of that, members of the Evangelical Religious Right such as Franklin Graham, Jay Sekulow, and the QAnon-ers have supportee Putin as "smart," "strong," and "good."
Anyway, Fuck Off, Revanchist Pope-Worshipper!
the mean age at which American adults believed a child could be left at home alone was 13, bathe alone was 7 and a half, bike alone was around 10.
Oh, FFS! What was the mean age at which American adults believed a person could *vote*, say, or drive a car, or have consensual sex?
Vote: 106 if they are progressive 10 if not progressive
Drive a car: 13 seemed to be the average age in Chicago
Consential sex: this is a tough one because it's a sliding scale. Highschoolers should be able to concent with each other, but there should be a cut off for 18*
*insert cheapshot about sbp here.
I thought you meant inches.
Let’s not use “insert” and SPB in the same sentence.
If you're sufficiently woke there shouldn't an age limit for the first and the last example, and "never, take public transport" for the second.
Hey, progressive parents want their children to do none of those things until age 21. But kids are clearly able to decide on gender assignment surgery at age 5.
the unsolicited addition of Social Emotional Learning (SEL) in mathematics
*** googles SEL ***
From the Collaborative for Academic, Social, and Emotional Learning website:
"SEL is the process through which all young people and adults acquire and apply the knowledge, skills, and attitudes to develop healthy identities, manage emotions and achieve personal and collective goals, feel and show empathy for others, establish and maintain supportive relationships, and make responsible and caring decisions.
SEL advances educational equity and excellence through authentic school-family-community partnerships to establish learning environments and experiences that feature trusting and collaborative relationships, rigorous and meaningful curriculum and instruction, and ongoing evaluation. SEL can help address various forms of inequity and empower young people and adults to co-create thriving schools and contribute to safe, healthy, and just communities."
A lots guys might say *any* "addition" of SEL to a mathematics curriculum is inappropriate.
James Lindsay has a great breakdown of sel and how horrible it is.
Also I like how no one asks if sel is suppose to be good for kids how come childhood depression and suicide rises with sel being expanded?
Feature, not bug.
Or mention that maybe the point of schools should be to provide useful education and not to manage a child's entire emotional and social life. The ever expanding mission creep of schools is not good.
.. and collective goals,..
The most important thing. (Next to skin color, of course).
It’s weird neither Dee nor Molly responded to this post.
They might be busy giving each other BJs right now.
Anything that talks about "equity" or "identity" is a big red flag at this point.
> In the Netherlands, for instance, Kois said that kids rode their bikes to school by themselves.
OMG! Absolute anarchy!
Just kidding. I got my first bike in first grade and rode a bike to school every day until I someone decided I needed to be bussed across town. Still rode my bike every since, except high school when I decided to walk instead. Better to walk with some pretty girls and cycle past them. Just saying.
Now granted, there's a difference between rural and suburban and the city. I couldn't imagine riding a bike as an adult in New York or San Francisco, let alone as a child.
I learned to ride a bike while I was still in diapers... At the age of 8
Lol.
You know who else wears diapers later in life?
Race car drivers?
Astronauts?
Almost all of our ruling elite?
The city is legally right not to pay the money. They were not the ones sued. And it is very hard to sue a municipality for the actions of their cops.
If the city paid for the defense of the officer, I'm pretty they have admitted the the officer was acting as an agent of the city, and a legal case can be made. The problem is not the city's wrongness in not paying out the judgement; the city is wrong, owes the payment, and after an indeterminate amount of appeals this will most likely happen. The moral failure is, the city is deliberately refusing to do what is right for as long as they can, in hopes that the Mr. Howard dies before the payment is made.
And thus I refer you to Idaho Bob's comment, above:
No. One can pay for a legal defense without accepting liability for the conduct.
True. But in the case, the City of Durham admitted to employing the officer, training him, etc., al the necessary things you need in order to prove that the officer was acting as an agent of the city. All things that could be used to establish liability.
I cannot find the final ruling after a quick search, but all the dismissed summary judgements were styled as "Howard vs. City of Durham" plus Dowdy and a separate defendant whose name started with an S. Assuming the final judgement was also against the City of Durham, which means the judge thinks the City is (jointly) at fault, and should pay damages.
Under US law, the departments are not liable for the actions of their cops unless the cop was fallowing department policy (formal or informal). And that is really hard to prove.
It's funny how you argued literally the exact opposite when it came time to, say, publicly lynch Darren Wilson or settle with the estate of George Floyd for 27 million dollars.
Paying legal expenses is likely just part of the employment contract. And until the court case was over, the city didn't know what the nature of the cop's conduct was.
Now that all that has been resolved, the city may theoretically be able to recover legal expenses from the cop, but that's probably not worth it.
Such a good slave you'll be.
She's hoping to be a house dinger.
I am citing what the law is, not what it should be.
agency.
>>kids rode their bikes to school by themselves.
we're one generation removed from this.
Rode my bike to school every day, 2 miles each way, from 2nd grade until 7th. Then, some administrator decided we suddenly could not be trusted to leave the school grounds without being accompanied by a parent or legal guardian.
Circa 1992-ish.
Yeah, in elementary school, it was like the cartoons. The doors opened and a hundred kids came running out and went...wherever they went.
Teachers were done with us when the bell rang. We were our parents' problem at that point. Nobody cared about my social-emotional development as long as I wasn't a little asshole in class.
We really have created a weird cult-like obsession with children.
I did this in Montgomery County, MD from the age of 8 or 9 on.
Don't know that it would be wise to do so around there these days though...
It would not be.
Elon Musk doesn't understand content moderation, argues TechDirt editor Mike Masnick.
tldr: censorship is GOOD man, Elon just doesn't get it.
Sometimes... sometimes I get tired of folks telling me that my opinions are only held because I just don't understand.
My getting ass raped is just misunderstood prostate stimulation. Why do I refuse to see that?
This is the woke defense of CRT in a nutshell. "man you just dont really understand that slavery was bad! You were taught a whitewashed version of american slavery and spent your whole life thinking it was pretty cool and now, only now, are the true facts coming to light and you just dont want to hear them!"
WTF.
Sounds like almost word for word what Lying Jeffy said when the topic first came up
I did read it and it was more in the vein of gaslighting. A vigorous and convincing argument that some moderation is a necessary part of the process while completely ignoring the labeling of both opinions and science that contradict a particular party's desired narratives as 'misinformation'.
The Soviets perfected this by pathologizing dissent. If you didn't support Stalinism it's because you were sick in the head and need "help" ... at the gulag.
This is not that far off from "We must suppress misinformation! Also anything we dont like is now considered 'misinformation'"
How long before CA has the same result as Sri Lanka?
That would have a significantly grater impact to the global economy. Those woke assholes in Sacramento will happily vote to regulate their agri-businesses out of CA. Reclaiming the land for Gaia, you see...and all of that nonsense.
You reap what you sow.....How appropriate to Sri Lanka.
I'm pretty sure I'll soon need to escape California.
I dont mean leave because the lifestyle and taxes and regulations have become too annoying (they are).
I mean "escape" as in "get out before the communists starve you or put you in a gulag"
Informal poll about taxes....
1. I itemize: Yes or No
2. I spent more than 4 hours doing my taxes: Yes or No
3. I have my taxes prepared for me: Yes or No
4. I do my own taxes (i.e. using TurboTax, Tac Act, etc): Yes or No
5. I got a refund: Yes or No
No, Yes, No, Yes, No
For those who itemize, do you live in a red or blue state?
Yes
Yes
No
Yes (turbo tax)
No
My taxes this year were still for Colorado. But all my issues were federal regardless of that.
No
No
No
Yes
Don't know yet.
No
No
No
Yes
No - Hell No!
I had to pay an additional $20k but then the wife and I made more than the Bidens last year, deservedly so.
I used to itemize every year. No point now. (Blue state.)
I used to do my own taxes, on paper. It took about 8 hours. I switched to TurboTax last year, took about 3.
I try to not end up with a very big refund. I can usually hit the Federal amount with 1K either way. California always over-withholds though.
You can submit separate w-4 documents for federal and state withholding. Not all payroll software can accommodate different withholdings, but it is definitely not prohibited.
No
Yes (normally we can do it in 2.5-3 hours or do, but this year TT had all sorts of fucking bugs, including one that made it impossible to file state taxes electronically).
No
Yes
Yes
Yes, Yes, No (but I should), Yes, FUCK no. New Mexico, so, "Blue but oddly so".
1. I itemize: No
2. I spent more than 4 hours doing my taxes: Yes
3. I have my taxes prepared for me: Yes
4. I do my own taxes (i.e. using TurboTax, Tac Act, etc): No
5. I got a refund: No
It's hard for me to estimate my taxes ahead of time, but I usually underpay; given inflation and the stock market, it comes out the same or slightly better.
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
Yes
Red
1. No - not since the change in the tax law. Used to itemize every year.
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes - TT
5. I got a refund: No
Further complicated by my living in two states during the year, moving and being briefly unemployed following the move.
One other note: Got a refund I didn't need last year for the first time in many. This year paid more than I have in years even though unemployed for a brief period during the year.
No, yes, no, no, no. I do mine the old fashioned way. Lots of numbers scrawled on the back of an envelope.
I'm suspicious of how common the events in "Old Enough!" are, even in Japan. I think people don't tend to make long-running sensationalist television series about things unless it's just a little unusual in the culture.
That said. I live out in the rural desert now, and I definitely want a 2-year-old to go buy my whiskey. I'm a busy man. Lots of games to play. Things of that nature.
Pittsburgh officials and the entire news media have been censoring (i.e. refusing to reveal) the race of multiple shooters and their 11 victims in Pittsburgh, almost certainly because most (and likely all) were black.
At midnight Saturday here in Pittsburgh, multiple still-at-large shooters fired 90+ bullets at party of 200 mostly juveniles at a rented AirBNB house, killing 2 youth, wounding 11 others, and sending everyone fleeing for the lives.
Since then the Mayor's office and Police officials have been urging anyone who knows the identity of or has videos or other info about the shooters to contact the police.
But 35 hours later, the Pittsburgh Police, the Mayor's office and the entire news media (with dozens of articles/stories worldwide) have REFUSED to reveal any information about the sex, age, race, height, weight of the suspected shooters, and similarly no information about the victims (except that the two deaths were juveniles).
At yesterday's press conference, not only did NOBODY from the Mayor's office or the Police Department mention the race(s) of the shooters or victims, NOT ONE news reporter dare asked about the race of the shooters or the victims (for fear of being fired and falsely accused of being a racist).
Meanwhile, our black Mayor (a BLM supporter who ran on improving race relations/equity, but now has covid and is in quarantine), his transgender press secretary, the Police spokesperson ALL blamed the shooting on "gun violence" and blamed PA's GOP legislature (for upholding the 2nd Amendment).
Despite (and likely due to) the Mayor's (and the entire news media's) censorship of information on the race of the shooters and victims, everyone here in Pittsburgh has figured out that the shooters were almost certainly black, as were most/all of the shooting victims, and most/all of the 200 partygoers.
The police and media have also refused to mention, or ask about, why 200 most juveniles were crowded into a AirBnB rental house after midnight on Easter Sunday (e.g. Do they have parents?).
Sadly, I suspect that most of those partygoers don't live with their fathers, which is a key reason why young black males commit crime at a high rates.
Are we about done with the idea that mass shootings/killings are something white people do? Waukesha, New York, Sacramento, Pittsburgh. I can't think of the last mass shooter who was a white male.
Also, in the name of equity, we really need to encourage more females to go on shooting sprees just to balance out the numbers. There just aren't enough women committing untargeted, widescale shootings.
Speaking of, heard anything about this one? Sure didn't make much splash.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/16/us/shooting-at-south-carolina-mall/index.html
Drive bys during youth are just an expression of their culture, like knife fights. You need to check your privlage, racist.
Somewhat off-topic, but some great news for Libertarian-minded people! A spontaneous worker's and customer's uprising against looting and thuggery!
Workers Fight Back Against Thief At Charlotte Family Dollar
https://youtu.be/z8d3KNI9-_Y
These are workers and customers who encountered one of the real enemies of their paychecks, benefits, and bonuses and--instead of turning to Government or Cronyist Unions--they took matters into their own hands!
These workers and customers got sick and tired of not having nice things because of looting thugs and had a spontaneous uprising against thuggery!
The Realz Revolution was televised! Watch, Share, Wash, Rinse, Repeat, Learn, Do, Take Heart, and Enjoy! Coming Soon To A Town Near You!
Imagine if everyone did that.
Exactly!
The Battle of Beatty's Ford Road Family Dollar, Charlotte, NC should be to Libertarians what The Loray Mill Strike in Gastonia, NC was to The Communists!
I've mentioned this before, but the Amber Hagerman case appears to have been the breaking point in terms of overprotective parents going from a few marginal instances to a national practice. It's not just walking to school or being entrusted to not burn the house down when you're 9 years old, it's the whole concept that kids have to be overseen and have their time managed every second of the day, versus providing them with instances to show they CAN be trusted with increasing independence and evaluating accordingly.
I don't know if it's a problem nationwide, but in my area, seems like 90% of Amber Alerts are false alarms involving a custody dispute, and the other 10% are from not our immediate area, such as a suspected abduction in the KC area being broadcast to STL.
That has been the trend with child abductions going all the way back to the milk carton "have you seen me" era.
Almost invariably, statistically speaking, child abduction has to do with family. Usually an estranged parent, custody issue, etc.
Yes, strangers have kidnapped children. But it is vanishingly rare.
And if Reason had reported SPB to authorities when he posted those links here it would be even less.
Yeah, most of those do involve family members. I'm just saying that particular case seems to have broken Gen-X parents, and subsequently influenced the Millennials as they got older and ended up having kids of their own.
Yup. It happens.
Like how rumors started the whole "gotta have wrapped candy" halloween trick or treating shit. Never has a trick or treater been poisoned. More likely to get hit by lightning and then run over by a car than get poisoned candy. But every parent believes it.
Some media spectacle or oddball event can do wonders for the zeitgeist. And it doesn't have to be common, or even true. People are REALLY bad at assessing risk.
Same here in FL. 95+% being non-custodianal parents (baby daddy, or weirdly often girlfriend-of)
Think the green new deal folk couldn't get any wackier? Well, this guy is pretty far put there.
https://twitter.com/globalfreedomm/status/1516079210640855046?s=10
Wants to "engineer people" to be meat intolerant..... like lactose intolerant, but for meat.
Since all of the amino acids, fats and proteins from meat are found in your own body, I can't figure out how the hell he'd do that.
Also, people aren't born lactose intolerant since they need to digest it from breast milk. As most non-northern Europeans and non-west Africans get older they stop producing the digestive enzyme lactase to handle lactose.
That's why most scientists now regard "lactose intolerance" as a misnomer, and refer to the condition of adults digesting milk as "lactase persistence".
TLDR, the guy's an idiot.
Humans are nearly unique among animals that we lack alpha gal on our cell surfaces, allowing humans to become allergic to alpha gal, making you "meat intolerant". An allergy to alpha gal frequently follows certain tick bites.
What the guy proposes is technically feasible. In fact, you could likely simply add alpha gal to common vaccines to make large numbers of people "meat intolerant".
Progressives have been into eugenics from their very beginnings. From culling of the herd to bio-engineering better feeders and breeders, they would treat people no differently than livestock.
I don't see what's "twisted" about that reasoning. The city didn't direct the cop to fabricate evidence, nor did the city condone or aid that behavior. The cop should be personally financially liable, not the city. It's unfortunate that the cop can't pay that amount, but that doesn't change who is and isn't responsible.
Then the city shouldn't have spent four million dollars defending the guy.
If the guy was at fault, he should have been thrown off the force and left to fend for himself. The city is neglecting its job of oversight of its employees if it cannot determine that one is falsifying evidence until after the guy loses his court case. His very vigorously defended court case.
Paying for legal defense upfront is likely part of his employment contract.
How is the city supposed to know that before the court case? The court case is where that determination is made.
What the city can likely do is demand that the employee pay back what it spent on his legal defense, now that a court has determined that the employee is guilty.
Hurrrrrrrrrrr how was Jeffrey Skilling supposed to know that there was fraud at Enron before the court case???? DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
God you're fucking stupid.
Skilling went to prison because he committed fraud. Furthermore, Skilling was personally responsible; he couldn't palm off his guilt on taxpayers.
No judge has found that any city employee knew about, aided, or condoned the fabrication of evidence by police. If it turns out that any city employee did so, they will hopefully also be found personally guilty and will be personally liable.
The city may be found liable if their procedures are generally inadequate if their procedures are faulty or if a judge finds that they are somehow required to indemnify their employees in these cases. But no judge has found that yet.
Clear enough now?
I get tired of reading this crap about cities, police departments or DA's refusing to follow the orders of a judge that's ruled against them. If the city of Durham won't follow the judges orders, he should issue a bench warrant and have the city council arrested and put in jail until they comply.
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As it turns out, the city made a settlement offer close to the actual award to Darryl Howard and he turned it down and chose to go to trial; after the jury found the detective guilty of malicious conduct, the city council was then legally prohibited from payout out the amount.