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Veggie 'Meat' Maker Tofurky Wins Free Speech Challenge to Food-Labeling Law

Plus: Meta's campaign to smear TikTok, new research on immigrants and welfare, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 3.31.2022 9:32 AM

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A win for free speech and Tofurky. Vegetarian food companies can legally use terms like sausage and burgers in their marketing, per a new federal court ruling.

The decision stems from a lawsuit brought by the plant-based "meat" makers at The Tofurky Company. Tofurky challenged a Louisiana law (called the Truth in Labeling of Food Products Act) banning the use of the terms like meat and sausage in vegetarian product marketing, with no exceptions for products that qualified their use of these words with terms like plant-based, vegan, or vegetarian. The law—which took effect in October 2020—said those in violation could face fines of up to $500 per use of the term per day.

As plant-based alternatives to animal products—including meat, milk, and mayonnaise—have gained in popularity, there's been a growing push (often driven by the likes of dairy farmers and other animal-product producers) to control what companies can call these alternative products. Proponents of laws like the one in Louisiana argue that categorizing vegetarian and vegan products by names once reserved for animal products is deceptive and consumers will be confused.

It's a weird argument, since these products are not only not trying to pass themselves off as actual beef, dairy, etc., but are specifically marketed as alternatives to animal-derived foods. Their labels tend to prominently declare that they are plant-based, meatless, vegetarian, or vegan. For instance, Tofurky brats, kielbasa, and other encased "meats" say on the label that they are "plant-based" sausage.

In its lawsuit against Louisiana, Tofurky—represented by the Animal Legal Defense Fund (ALDF) and the Good Food Institute (GFI)—sought to halt enforcement of the labeling law, saying it violated its First Amendment rights.

"Under the First Amendment, companies are entitled to market and label their products in truthful ways that consumers will recognize and that aligns with their values," said ALDF Executive Director Stephen Wells in a statement.

Now, the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Louisiana has sided with the ALDF and the faux-meat company, finding that Louisiana's law unconstitutionally restricts Tofurky's speech.

"The Louisiana court has seen right through the disingenuous pretext under which this law was passed, and rightfully intervened to protect the first amendment rights of companies like Tofurky," said Tofurky CEO Jaime Athos in response. "The law was an obvious attempt to give unfair advantage to animal agriculture interests by stifling the growth of plant-based food sales, and this ruling serves as a warning to other state legislatures who may forget that they are elected to serve the needs of their constituents, not those of corporate special interests."

Laws similar to Louisiana's Truth in Labeling of Food Products Act have been passed in other states, including Arkansas, Missouri, and Mississippi. Tofurky, the ALDF, the GFI, and the American Civil Liberties Union successfully halted the Arkansas law in 2020.

Last year, a federal court sided with Miyoko's Creamery in a suit concerning the vegan product brand's use of the term vegan butter.

And in 2019, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit dismissed a class-action lawsuit challenging almond milk maker Blue Diamond Growers' use of the term milk.

These rulings should make other states think twice before trying to impose their own vegetarian food-labeling censorship schemes.


FREE MINDS

Inside Meta's campaign to smear TikTok. The Washington Post reports on a campaign by Facebook parent-company Meta to discredit and undermine TikTok. Meta paid the consulting firm Targeted Victory to place "op-eds and letters to the editor in major regional news outlets, promoting dubious stories about alleged TikTok trends that actually originated on Facebook, and pushing to draw political reporters and local politicians into helping take down its biggest competitor," write Post reporters Taylor Lorenz and Drew Harwell.

https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/1509220334746030083

The firm hired to carry out the anti-TikTok campaign responds:

Today's Washington Post story not only mischaracterizes the work we do, but key points are simply false. We tried to reach out to The Washington Post to further talk through them, but never got a response. I want to address my concerns: 1/

— Zac Moffatt (@ZacMoffatt) March 30, 2022

Targeted Victory CEO Zac Moffatt notes that the "dubious stories about alleged TikTok trends" reported in the Post's latest story were earlier hyped by Post reporters as real threats:

These viral stories about TikTok they claims are "rumors" were actually reported by their own newspaper, some from over 6 months ago. We emailed *their own* reporting! 5/

— Zac Moffatt (@ZacMoffatt) March 30, 2022


FREE MARKETS

New research on immigrants and welfare benefits:

New Cato brief released today on immigrant and native welfare use.

Headline finding: The average value of welfare benefits consumed per immigrant was $5,778 in 2019, about 28 percent less than the $8,012 average per native‐ born American.https://t.co/nTtrhcglwu pic.twitter.com/eKKiz7Elos

— The Alex Nowrasteh (@AlexNowrasteh) March 30, 2022


QUICK HITS

• President Joe Biden is pushing for more pandemic-related spending amid a seemingly endless stream of stories about waste and fraud in previous rounds of spending. The White House says Congress must authorize at least another $22 billion. "But Senate Republicans have balked at setting aside additional money, saying they want a full accounting of earlier spending, and House Democrats subsequently rejected a plan to repurpose money already pledged to states," notes The Washington Post.

• More than two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the federal government has launched a website (covid.gov) to direct people on how to get vaccines, tests, masks, and disease treatment and provide information about virus spread around the country, travel rules, and more.

• U.S. prosecutors are charging people with federal civil rights offenses for blocking access to an abortion clinic.

• The Electronic Currency and Secure Hardware (ECASH) Act aims to spur the creation of a digital dollar by allowing the Treasury Department, rather than the Federal Reserve, to create one.

• "California's first-in-the-nation task force on reparations has decided to limit state compensation to the descendants of free and enslaved Black people who were in the U.S. in the 19th century, narrowly rejecting a proposal to include all Black people regardless of lineage," the Associated Press reports.

• Oklahoma's governor has approved a bill banning transgender girls from playing on female sports teams in schools and colleges. Oklahoma is the fourth state to enact such a ban.

• Arizona's governor has signed into law a ban on abortions after 15 weeks.

• Techdirt's Mike Masnick on "why moderating content actually does more to support the principles of free speech."

• Tennessee's cannabis legalization bill is effectively dead.

• Houston has banned vaping in public spaces.

• Video footage shows a Tulsa Police Department officer laughing and saying "this is gonna be so fun" before cops kicked down a door to respond to a woman having a mental health crisis and forced the woman to the ground.

• Bail reform is going in the wrong direction in Ohio.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    President Joe Biden is pushing for more pandemic-related spending amid a seemingly endless stream of stories about waste and fraud in previous rounds of spending.

    Wait, are they planning another pandemic?

    1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      POTUS Biden is a walking Gaffe-Machine. He is going to fuck up very badly sometime soon, and no amount of backtracking or lying is going to protect us. Other countries will act, and the American people will suffer for it.

      In January 2023, the Team R House should immediately impeach POTUS Biden. Make impeachment the very first vote of the House.

      1. Krokko   3 years ago

        And he's right next to the Coke machine.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Is that Hunter’s nickname?

          1. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

            Ha-ha....good one.

    2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      VP Harris is talking about Pandemic aid to Jamaica. I wonder who has ties to Jamaica? Should we expect 10% for her highness?

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        Pandemaica?

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Ganjademic?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            The name does not matter as long as we shovel dollars onto a barge, and tow that into Kingston harbor.

            And for you media types looking for a scoop, see if you can find the name Hunter Biden on any business contracts or boards based in Jamaica.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Vegetarian food companies can legally use terms like sausage and burgers in their marketing...

    I swear to God, if I accidentally eat one of those things...

    1. Rich   3 years ago

      I'll just leave this here.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        *lmao*

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          We need the FDC to investigate links between vegan diets and sissy boys.

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

            If they go in undercover does that make them plant-based plants?

            1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

              I thought they were Called fuuits?

    2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      Speaking of turkeys and free speech, somebody agrees with me about PC/SJWs/Wokesters bringing back "Honor Culture":

      Honor Culture Is Back. We Eradicated It for a Reason.
      Ryan Grim
      https://theintercept.com/2022/03/29/oscars-will-smith-duel-honor/

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        I once heard that watching two black guys fight was classic entertainment.

      2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Will Smith was fighting for his wife's honor, which is more than she ever did.

        1. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

          I believe Groucho said that about 50 years ago...minus the Will Smith reference I think, but I could be wrong.

    3. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      So they're following the tranny precedent.
      BTW why are Vegans so eager to have meat flavor in their flora? Shouldn't they demand meat producers make pork chops that taste like arugula or quinoa?

    4. Entelechy   3 years ago

      Is the sequel to Tofurky 'Gag me with a spork' ?

  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Inside Meta's campaign to smear TikTok.

    Facebook should have worked harder to get Trump elected this time.

    1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      How can you smear something that has no good reputation in the first place? And how can Meta smear TikTok when Meta has no good reputation?

      "Hello, Kettle? This is Pot. Did you know you're black?"

      1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        The WAPO is smearing Meta by highlighting they engaged a "REPUBLICAN" (boo hiss) PR firm. There are limits to what a private corporation can get away with.

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

          Cheatin' on the Party.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    We tried to reach out to The Washington Post to further talk through them, but never got a response.

    It's smear campaigns all the way down.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The average value of welfare benefits consumed per immigrant was $5,778 in 2019, about 28 percent less than the $8,012 average per native‐ born American.

    THEY'RE EVEN TAKING OUR WELFARE QUEEN JOBS.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

      You know, doing it for less money.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        Look, if I have to explain every joke so you people get them I'm just going to leave.

        1. Rich   3 years ago

          Don't take it personally, Fist. Some of us are still waking up.

        2. Mike Liarson   3 years ago

          I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were just making jokes with all these comments.

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            I don’t doubt that.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Dee's like one of those "That's not funny!" feminist stereotypes.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                Humor is tough for those on the spectrum and for women.

                1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

                  That's the parody, guys. Haha

                  1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

                    Parody still works?

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      WE MUST CLOSE THE WELFARE GAP!

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      I'll read the paper later but it often comes down to what programs they analyze and if they exclude citizen children from immigrant household costs which is utterly dishonest.

      One of the big tricks is to exclude schooling or if they include it solely use average cost per student despite children in ESL programs costing 3x as much as English speaking children.

      It most likely also excludes the free legal services many states are now providing to illegal immigrants.

      1. Brian   3 years ago

        Are they comparing working immigrants to citizens who are often retired SS/Medicare recipients?

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          That is another tact they often take. I haven't read the paper yet.

          1. HorseConch   3 years ago

            If they aren't here legally, that cost would be zero if they weren't let in. Regardless of dishonesty of accounting for the money, there's no way to fairly compare citizens to illegals.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              That is another great point.

            2. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

              This is my line of thought too, regardless of their methodology.

              When that number should be zero, saying immigrants “only” take in 75% isn’t a winning argument.

            3. Nelson   3 years ago

              I didn't read the paper, but the category is "immigrant", not "illegal immigrant".

              And we all know what a far-left organization Cato is, amirite?

      2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        Yeah, I was thinking about all the ways they probably fudged the numbers without digging into it, and education/public school costs didn't even occur to me. How many of them also qualify for free/reduced school meals? You can get the school to feed your kids two meals completely free, these days.

      3. mad.casual   3 years ago

        I'll read the paper later but it often comes down to what programs they analyze and if they exclude citizen children from immigrant household costs which is utterly dishonest.

        And this is splitting hairs while the underlying premise is literally a Joe Isuzu Commercial.

        You could save $2000 by going with a foreign immigrant... or you could save $2B by going with one million foreign immigrants! You have my word on it.

      4. D-Pizzle   3 years ago

        "I'll read the paper later but it often comes down to what programs they analyze and if they exclude citizen children from immigrant household costs which is utterly dishonest."

        So much this.

    4. Nelson   3 years ago

      Since the paper is about welfare benefits, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they analyzed ... welfare benefits.

      Also, since the comparison is immigrants to native-born Americans, I'm going to take a wild guess and assume the comparison is between ... immigrants and native-born Americans.

      Why would all of the things discussed above, including illegals and school costs, be relevant to the study? Everything mentioned above as "reasons" Americans use more welfare than immigrants aren't included because ... wait for it ... they aren't welfare and the study didn't assess illegals.

      I'm going to guess that the study says exactly what they say it does and that the specious "rebuttals" are just knee-jerk paleocon discomfort.

      You may now resume your regularly-scheduled xenophobia. Thank you for briefly stopping for a reality check.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    More than two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the federal government has launched a website (covid.gov)...

    Sunk costs means we can't give up on COVID now.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      It takes time to code a fucked up website.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Would it be a virus filled website?

      2. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

        ^ Nobody would know this better than Reason, you identified their biggest area of "expertise."

      3. R Mac   3 years ago

        Why not just use the Obamacare website?

  7. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    U.S. prosecutors are charging people with federal civil rights offenses for blocking access to an abortion clinic.

    People whose travel was impeded by social justice protests should have claimed they were on their way to terminate some cell clumps.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Or they were trying to protect the clinic from MAGA traitors.

  8. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Seriously FP, eat shit and die.

    It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses
    The Brexit has laid bare the political schism of our time. It’s not about the left vs. the right; it’s about the sane vs. the mindlessly angry.
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/28/its-time-for-the-elites-to-rise-up-against-ignorant-masses-trump-2016-brexit/

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      I see Trump was mentioned.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      They literally want to be eighteenth-century French aristocrats.

      ...and we all know the remedy for that.

    3. CE   3 years ago

      Only the elites can save democracy.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        I hate it when the peasants vote the wrong way.

  9. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1509266994834677764

    NOW - Biden says "I'm not sure why I'm doing it on stage" and gets his second booster injection.

    1. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

      https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1509506315982417921?cxt=HHwWgsC55eT_6_IpAAAA

      Sen. Grassley: 'There’s no middle man in this transaction. This is $100,000 from what is effectively an arm of the communist Chinese government direct to Hunter Biden. To the liberal media and my Democratic colleagues: is this official bank document Russian disinformation?'

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        Everything that goes against the woke marxist agenda is Russian disinformation.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          And claiming this has no effect on Putin’s actions.

    2. CE   3 years ago

      I read that as Biden saying "I'm not sure what I'm doing at this stage", which pretty much applies to every issue.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Could have been worse. Joe could have thought it was time for the afternoon Depends change.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The Electronic Currency and Secure Hardware (ECASH) Act aims to spur the creation of a digital dollar...

    Is there anything Congress can't ruin?

    1. CE   3 years ago

      The next round of pandemic aid can then be sent with the push of a button.
      And any misinformation sources can be instantly defunded.
      It's a win-win.

  11. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    https://faculty.wharton.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Ulrich-cycling-enviro-jul06.pdf

    THE ENVIRONMENTAL PARADOX OF BICYCLING
    Karl T. Ulrich
    The Wharton School

    Substituting bicycling for driving is frequently promoted
    as a means of reducing energy consumption and the
    associated degradation of the environment. This paper
    estimates the magnitude of this effect. The analysis takes
    account of the first-order effects due to the dramatically
    lower energy requirements of transportation by bicycle
    relative to automobiles. The environmental benefits of
    human power are, however, strongly coupled to the
    environmental costs of increased population, due to
    increased longevity of those who engage in physical
    activity. Paradoxically, increased use of human power for
    transportation is unlikely to reduce substantially the use of
    energy because of this second-order effect. Human powered transportation is therefore less an environmental
    issue and more an issue of public health. The interplay
    between longevity and environmental impact is a central
    feature of the conflicting societal objectives of improving
    human health and increasing environmental sustainability.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      They want us dead.

      1. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

        You are the carbon they want to reduce.

      2. CE   3 years ago

        Wow, bicycling reduces pollution, but the downside is people live longer?

        I think he's pondering a potential solution to both climate change and to the looming Social Security and Medicare bankruptcies..

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          COVID 2.0?

  12. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    California's first-in-the-nation task force on reparations has decided to limit state compensation to the descendants of free and enslaved Black people...

    BECAUSE SYSTEMIC RACISTS OMIT JAMAICANS FROM RED LINING, I GUESS

    1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

      What can go wrong?

      In unrelated news, I now identify as African American.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Descendant of enslaved African American.

        1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

          Sure, even better.

          Let's say hypothetically, A GGG grandfather on my mom's side was a slave. and a GGG grandfather on my dad's side was a slave owner and that I could somehow prove that. Then I break even right. I pay myself off?

          1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

            Oh I guess maybe not, the government will need it's cut of that transaction.

            1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

              10% for the big guy.

          2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

            Ah ! The Sasha Malia conundrum.

        2. CE   3 years ago

          or free, if they got here early enough.

    2. Ronbback   3 years ago

      note even Free blacks are going to get monies. should the Irish also get monies since they were often treated worse and were payed less than free blacks.

  13. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    Illinois Governor Gave $300K of Federal Relief Funding to Black Lives Matter
    https://timcast.com/news/illinois-governor-gave-300k-of-federal-relief-funding-to-black-lives-matter/

    The president of the Lake County chapter of BLM was charged with felony battery of a police officer at the beginning of 2021

  14. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

    Let me guess, the Cato immigration "study" classified children of illegal immigrants as native despite the benefits being fully under control of the illegal alien. Sorry, you Leftist twats have no credibility anymore.

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      Naming an organization after Cato was always a red flag.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        THAT WASN’T EVEN HIS REAL NAME!

    2. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

      It is Cato, I doubt they included illegal immigrants at all. It was probably just legal immigrants which have a high bar. It is not surprising they use less resources.

    3. mad.casual   3 years ago

      It's also the stupid, trophy-wife spending-spree economics. We're in debt and I can't afford the new dress, hat, shoes, and purse, but if I spend less money on the imported outfit than I would on the domestically-produced outfit, we come out ahead! Matter of fact, if I replaced my entire wardrobe with imported clothes, we could use the savings to pay off our debt!

  15. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "New research on immigrants and welfare benefits"

    Is there any new research on immigrants and the net worth of Charles Koch, who pays for these pro-immigration studies?

    I mean, obviously the pattern is more immigrants = more wealth for Mr. Koch. But I'm just curious about the precise formula. Like, "For every X additional Mexican laborers, Mr. Koch's net worth grows Y percent"?

    Maybe Fiona can explain it to us after she submits her 10th version of "Russia attacking Ukraine means the US should have open borders." 🙂

    #OpenTheBordersToHelpCharlesKoch
    #CheapLaborAboveAll

  16. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    Conspiracy theory, right?

    Scientists are now working to develop "contagious vaccines"
    https://sea.mashable.com/life/19819/scientists-are-now-working-to-develop-contagious-vaccines

    While this has been the only real-world proof of success so far, a mathematical model has shown that such a technique could prove to be a game-changer if done right.

    1. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

      UK lockdown was a ‘monumental mistake’ and must not happen again – Boris scientist says
      https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1320428/Coronavirus-news-lockdown-mistake-second-wave-Boris-Johnson

    2. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      In fairness, they are targeted solely for animal populations and use herpes strains, which have never shown infections across species.

      In reality, wtf could go wrong, eh? Releasing chimeric herpes strains to eliminate natural pathogens SURELY wouldn't mutate or disrupt ecological balance.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        It's remarkable how scientists seem determined to emulate the very actions that zombie and dinosaur movies are made of.

        Dr. Ian Malcolm : If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now

        [bangs on the table]

        Dr. Ian Malcolm : you're selling it, you wanna sell it. Well...

        John Hammond : I don't think you're giving us our due credit. Our scientists have done things which nobody's ever done before...

        Dr. Ian Malcolm : Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

        1. Azathoth!!   3 years ago

          It's remarkable how scientists seem determined to emulate the very actions that zombie and dinosaur movies are made of.

          They do because absent authorial shenanigans these things work.

          EVERYONE stands on the shoulders of everyone who came before in science. You don't have to redo what others have done in order to 'earn it', as Ian Malcolm says. Because, to take a NEXT step,
          you have to use the steps already there. And You are responsible for it all.

          I sometimes wish that someone would write a REAL treatment about what would happen with a zombie outbreak. Bizarrely, Shaun of the Dead is closest though still off because he needs that 'zombie apocalypse' sequence for the film to work.

          Don't take scientific advice from movies--

          scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

          They should.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            They should.

            Talk about begging the question.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            I'm sure the scientists at Wuhan and the American government pass-throughs funding them thought "we should," too, but that didn't turn out so well, did it?

    3. Nardz   3 years ago

      This was the actual plot of Fast and Furious: Hobbes and Shaw.

      The scientist engineered it to deliver vaccines worldwide but the eugenic organization he worked for turned it into a virus that would be used to depopulate earth

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        … depopulate earth

        The real and unstated goal.

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        "but the eugenic organization he worked for"

        Did they call it the World Economic Forum or did they call it by a pseudonym?

        1. Overt   3 years ago

          Eco Health Alliance

    4. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

      The virus itself is a contagious vaccine, and for most people has less side effects.

  17. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

    TeenReason is behind even CNN on covering Hunter's laptop. Practically every news outlet on the planet has admitted the President's drug addicted, incestuous, child-molesting son's computer is real.

    But hey, PLENTY of time to review now that it's been entered to Congressional records.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/hunter-biden-federal-investigation-heats-up/index.html

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

      FAKE SCANDAL

      RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION

      #Defend(Hunter)BidenAtAllCosts

      1. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

        Wait until Ashley Biden's "daddy showered with me" diary is made public. Arrests were made for 'stealing' 'her' diary, so it has been admitted to be true.

        1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          Honestly, Dems are trying so hard to normalize paedophilia they may not even flinch.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Just don't lay a hand on a drunken college girl.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Not as a little child either but as a young teen, and she called those showers "inappropriate" and said that they're part of the reason why she's a sex addict.

          Remember when the media lost its shit and implied incest when Trump bragged about how good looking his kids were?

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Fear not, CNN balanced it with a mouth-frothing "WHY ISNT TRUMP IN JAIL FOR J6 BUT HUNTER BIDEN IS BEING INVESTIGATED?!?!?!" article

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Yeah, someone really needs to investigate that Trump guy.

        1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          Keep trying and surely SOMETHING will stick.

          Never mind that Hillary and Dems just paid over $1m in fines to the FEC for lying about Trump during the election.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            No mention or mea culpa from Reason admitting they were hoodwinked either.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              The Reasonistas have been ignoring that one as hard as they can.

            2. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

              They weren't hoodwinked at all.

          2. R Mac   3 years ago

            Heard that this morning. Good evidence for Trump’s civil case against her.

        2. BYODB   3 years ago

          Trump might be one of the most investigated individuals in America, and yet somehow a group that the far left consider to be a bunch of bumbling idiots have managed to supposedly cover up every crime known to man?

          The insanity of it makes my head explode, and I don't even like this Trump guy all that much either.

          It's really weird. Trump is basically Southern-Baptist Satan for atheist leftists. He's always there in the background ruining things, but you can never quite catch him.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Oklahoma's governor has approved a bill banning transgender girls from playing on female sports teams in schools and colleges.

    While I truly feel for kids who want to play official sports but can't, another way of saying transgender girl is biological boy.

    1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      Amazing how nobody is going for open divisions and letting boys, girls and confused individuals all play together. Fairness!

      ...somethingsomethingsomething innate physiological disparities somethingsomething...

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        So far as I know, all boys/mens leagues are open to any competitor regardless of sex.
        Females never break through.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          They absolutely are. And no women don't.

          1. JimboJr   3 years ago

            Im interested to see what happens with the future NCAA wrestler who is a girl that is parading around as a "boy" and is taking a boatload of steroids to do so.

            Coincidentally 70 - 0 undefeated beating the shit out of girls in the girls league who arent on roids.

            Given the options of

            - compete against your biological sex without roids
            - take the roids and actually compete against men
            - continue to compete against girls who arent on roids and dominate them

            Guess which one the NCAA will probably choose.

        2. JimboJr   3 years ago

          the leftists want to gloss over this because it crushes their "gender is a construct" / "no difference between men-women" post modern bullshit.

          Its funny there was an initial push for open leagues with the Lia thomas nonsense but they quickly realized they were setting a trap for themselves and have backed out and gone full on arguing the trans people have to be allowed in the womens league specifically.

          They would have to openly acknowledge that men have multiple advantages from physical, to reflexes, to spatial awareness. But too many trans people would commit suicide apparently if we *gasp* told people the most obvious and provable things we have known since the dawn of time.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            Women tend to score better, on average, than men on spacial awareness. And there's no discernable difference in reflexes.

            But when it comes to physical strength, lung capacity, muscle density, and bone density (important for anchoring the stronger musculature), anyone who has gone through puberty with male hormones (definitely all males and possibly females who transitioned before puberry) will have a significant advantage over those who underwent puberty without them.

            The legacy advantages never entirely go away. There is no way to level the playing field for those who didn't have those hormonal and developmental advantages from puberty. Therefore anyone who went through puberty as a male or using male hormone replacement therapy shouldn't be allowed to comepetenin the women's division.

            It's not about being trans. It's about unfair advantages that cannot be mitigated.

        3. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          I had to double-check the NBA, which I thought might be an exception due to the fact that the WNBA is subsidized by the NBA. But there's also no rules in the NBA. One woman signed a contract once, in 1979, but she never played.

          The PGA apparently excluded women at one time. There was a woman in 1945 who made the 36-hole cut at an event, Babe Zaharias. She competed at a couple of other events, but when she tried to qualify for the US Open in 1948, she was then told it was exclusive to men. Since then, women have never qualified for a PGA event, they've simply gotten sponsor exemptions, starting with Annika Sorenstan back in 2002. Michelle Wie for some reason got a ton of exemptions to play in the PGA but she was a pure hype machine-she's won 1 single major and has never been the #1 woman in the world, and finished only one year in the top 5.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            It depends on the sport and the HS or College division, but in general baseball, gymnastics, and diving don't allow women to play in men's divisions. DIII is more restrictive than most about compensation and scholarships (neither is allowed), but are usually looser about participation. DI is a rules-and-loopholes nightmare that is frequently contradictory. Lawyers make a LOT of money litigating DI athletics, usually from athletic departments.

            Looking for consistency from various state High Schools, the various college divisions, and pro leagues (for those sports that have them) is a fools errand. And that's without the recent NIL rulings that athletes have won.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Are you a biologist?

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        My wife asked me if the bar we were at served tacos and my response was, "I don't know, I am not a Mexican.".

        1. perlmonger   3 years ago

          I'm not Mexican but I live in New Mexico and can identify a taco... does that make me Transmexican?

          Or maybe it just means I'm a Mexicologist.

          1. Cronut   3 years ago

            You're not a transmexican until you costume yourself in every stereotype of what you think a Mexican looks like.

            1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

              But don’t you dare wear a sombrero.

            2. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

              So Chiquita Banana for Cis-men and Pancho Villa for Cis-women? No wait, Chiquita Banana is Latina.

              1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                Asking for my costumer.

              2. Cronut   3 years ago

                That's Latinx, racist.

                1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

                  Oh, right. 😉

  19. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    With the US dollar's dominance in question, here's how China's yuan could become a global reserve currency — and why it wouldn't be all bad
    https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/dollar-vs-yuan-china-currency-global-reserves-central-banks-russia-2022-3

    "Were the dollar to lose its status as the world's reserve currency, it would raise interest rates for our historically large debt relative to the economy," warned Tomas Philipson, former Acting Chairman for the White House Council of Economic Advisers.

    That means American consumers and businesses would face higher borrowing costs. Prices for imports would also likely rise.

    1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

      Tomas Philipson:

      In August 2017 he was appointed by President Donald Trump to become one of three members of the Council of Economic Advisers. While Acting Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, Philipson downplayed the public health risk and economic threat of the coronavirus pandemic, going so far as to question the wearing of masks to slow transmission of the disease.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomas_J._Philipson

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        So you are saying Philipson has some actual sense. Surely, you are not so stupid that you think that link reflects poorly on him? No one could be that stupid, could they?

        1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

          For now, greenbacks comprise 60% of global reserves versus the yuan's 2.5%. And in global payments volume, the dollar accounts for 40% while the yuan has about 3%, even though China is the world's second biggest economy, trailing closely behind the US, Philipson said.

          That could change, but not without massive reforms.

        2. R Mac   3 years ago

          Sir Strudel is plenty stupid.

          1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

            Trade your dollars for rubles if you actually believe the bs. I wouldn't put one fucking cent in a yuan or a ruble because they're totalitarian govts.

            1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

              Pathetic.

            2. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

              And people aren't losing faith in the dollar and Euro after governments decided to practice foreign asset seizure?

              Speaking of totalitarian governments and all.

            3. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

              And the US isn't totalitarian?

            4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              I wouldn't put one fucking cent in a yuan or a ruble because they're totalitarian govts.

              I recognize that stupid writing style. It's not Sullum, it's Shrike.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Shrike supports communist China since soros is making money there.

              2. Overt   3 years ago

                Oh yes it has always been pretty obvious to me that Strudel is a sock for SPB.

            5. R Mac   3 years ago

              Stupid response.

      2. Brian   3 years ago

        My God, he question the efficacy of the masks we all don’t have to wear anymore?

      3. DesigNate   3 years ago

        Is this supposed to be a gotcha? He could be 100% right on masks (which he absolutely was) and be wrong about the yuan becoming the reserve currency of the world.

        Fucking pathetic.

    2. Nelson   3 years ago

      You aren't the first one to talk about the dollar losing its status as the world's reserve currency. It is farfetched. The idea that the Yuan might replace it is laughable. No one trusts the Yuan, whose value is controlled by an authoritarian government and which has a long history of being manipulated by the Cinese government.

      No business or nation in their right mind would trust the Yuan to be stable and free of arbitrary revaluation.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Arizona's governor has signed into law a ban on abortions after 15 weeks.

    They're basically guaranteeing a generation of children raised by procrastinators!

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      LOL

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      So just like Sweden or Japan then.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      What, no exception for fatties too plump to tell they are pregnant?

  21. Rich   3 years ago

    The "Electronic Currency and Secure Hardware Act," or ECASH Act, proposed by Democratic representatives Stephen Lynch (Massachusetts), Jesús Chuy Garcia (Illinois), Ayanna Pressley (Massachusetts) and Rashida Tlaib (Michigan), would allow for a digital dollar that preserves privacy and anonymous transaction.

    Given those proposers, one finds the "privacy and anonymous" part somewhat suspect.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Nothing says "private and anonymous" like "government run".

    2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      So clever with the acronyms - that never say what they really mean.

      Why not the 'Workingclass Electronic and Secure Hardware Act" or WECASH.
      Better stil the "Majority Yearly Electronic and Secure Hardware Act" or MYCASH

  22. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    With $20 trillion between them, Blackrock and Vanguard could own almost everything by 2028
    https://financialpost.com/investing/a-20-trillion-blackrock-vanguard-duopoly-is-investings-future

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      But they are private companies. They could never do any harm or misuse their power. Only governments do evil things. Didn't you know that?

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        Private companies are good and virtuous and only do good things with their power. That's why so many government officials quit their government jobs and go take executive positions at private companies.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          Governments are totally corrupt and regulatory capture is real but private companies are as pure as driven snow and total innocent bystanders and victims of that fact.

      2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        That's why we need Chief Warren to designate them "too big to fail."

      3. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Meta is paying Targeted Victory, one of the biggest Republican consulting firms,.

        There are things even ENB wont tolerate.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      See? If we taxed their future earnings now, we would be saved!

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        How about just enforcing anti trust law and not allowing any company to get that big?

        1. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

          We'll enforce antitrust as soon as they threaten to do something the left doesn't like.

          1. perlmonger   3 years ago

            Until then, let's fuck up investing in energy some more.

  23. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    Techdirt's Mike Masnick on "why moderating content actually does more to support the principles of free speech."

    You must be censored to ensure that you have your free speech. Go fuck yourself Mike.

  24. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    But they are private companies. They could never do any harm or misuse their power. Only governments do evil things. Didn't you know that?

  25. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...why moderating content actually does more to support the principles of free speech.

    The reddit on how inflation is actually good for the poor was a free for all.

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      I was hoping the Ukraine war would more significantly reduce the reddit population, but the fad seems to be fading.
      C'mon, redditors, get them updoots!

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Inflation is profit!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Then tax it!

  26. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Tennessee's cannabis legalization bill is effectively dead.

    Their black market breathes a sigh of indifference.

  27. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Houston has banned vaping in public spaces.

    THAT'S WHERE CLOUDS COME FROM.

  28. Krokko   3 years ago

    If there's peanut butter and apple butter, they shouldn't be allowed to call it "vegan butter" unless it's made from real vegans.

    1. Jefferson's Ghost   3 years ago

      Love it.
      But what if they only identify as a vegan? 🙂

      (By the way, I am a real vegan, not one of those fauxvegans. So you can rest assured that the butter made from my lifeless body -- in about 30 more years, will be extra delicious!)

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Someone should come out with a line of Ron Swainson’s Bacon-Based Tofu, and other assorted meat-based pseudo-vegan foods.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Sigh. Swanson. My phone “corrected” me because I have some relatives who are Swainsons.

      2. DesigNate   3 years ago

        That actually made me chuckle.

  29. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Video footage shows a Tulsa Police Department officer laughing and saying "this is gonna be so fun" before cops kicked down a door...

    If you enjoy your job you don't work a day in your life.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      I would love to see Ms. Nolan Brown go on a ride along with a big city police department on a good Saturday night in July. She would find out three things that would no doubt shock her but might cause her to learn something.

      1. There are a lot of people out there that you don't want to be around or really want to be anywhere but inside a prison.
      2. Dealing with those people on a nightly basis is one of the nastiest jobs you can have.
      3. The kind of person who would want such a job is often not that much different than the people mentioned in point number one.

  30. Rich   3 years ago

    More than two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the federal government has launched a website (covid.gov)

    Cool! The Science has discovered more data about the incubation periods of government websites!

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      They're just trying to get ahead on COVID 2, Corona Boogaloo

  31. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "Bail reform is going in the wrong direction in Ohio."

    Really? Not enough progress on the Koch / Soros / Reason soft-on-crime #EmptyThePrisons agenda?

    Don't worry. Between importing new Democratic voters from other countries, and existing Democratic voters abandoning big cities for purple states (where they'll continue to vote Democrat), Ohio will be another California soon enough. Then it will implement the progressive / libertarian #FreeTheCriminals program.

    #CheapLaborAboveAll

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Only criminals have rights. Victims of criminals should be happy they live in a free society.

      This is what left libertarians actually believe.

  32. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

    Profits Soar as U.S. Corporations Have Best Year Since 1950

    Many oil and gas executives say they have little interest in increasing oil production — even at crude's near-record prices, which make extraction very profitable for their companies.

    ...a sizable number of oil and gas executives are saying they won't increase production at any price, according to a survey released this week by the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. 

    OPEC+ Refuses to Deviate From Gradual Oil Output Hikes

    Biden Team Weighs a Massive Release of Oil to Combat Inflation

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-31/what-a-sizable-u-s-oil-release-may-mean-for-energy-markets?srnd=premium

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

      "Biden Team Weighs a Massive Release of Oil to Combat Inflation"

      I don't understand. How will releasing oil help lower the price of spittin' tobaccy? Because Reason's leading economics expert says the i-word is a myth and the only price increase is an extra 10 cents per pouch for that unhealthy, low-class habit.

      #LibertariansForBiden

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Profits are evil.

      No wonder you weren’t crying the blues when oil actually had a negative price when trump was in office.

      1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

        You must enjoy getting fucked. I don't.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Do you know what the energy industry profit margin even is?

        2. Cronut   3 years ago

          Liar. No one has EVER fucked you.

          1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

            Joe Biden has, reluctantly but strategically.

        3. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Buy an electric car, that will show ‘em.

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Shrike already posted this and we already pointed out he ignored the responses to the surveys stating politicial and social pressure to reduce exploration. Did you miss that?

      1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

        Fuck them. Those oil companies raped the PPP "loans". They're making record profits. If they're influenced by "social pressure" then why aren't they influenced by patriotism? They should be drilling for America.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          HA HA HA! Joey won’t let them.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          How many tens of millions was spent on keystone through lawsuits and applications to ultimately be killed by a stroke of a pen?

          You are one retarded fuck sullum.

        3. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          They should be drilling for America.
          --------
          Direct your ire to the White House, then.

    4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Many oil and gas executives say they have little interest in increasing oil production...
      ...a sizable number of oil and gas executives are saying they won't increase production at any price

      None of this is in your Bloomberg link you dishonest fuck. It's part of the Democratic Party big lie that they're not at fault for collapsing North American production.

      Do you want to know why executives might be hesitant about further drilling? It's because of shit like this last week:
      House Democrats call on President Joe Biden this week to use his executive power to declare climate change a national emergency and to permanently ban fossil fuel drilling on public lands.

      What executive in his right mind would throw money into doing something that the political party has sworn to destroy?

      1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

        I grabbed quotes from multiple articles to make my point. I only included one link.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          The only point you have is on the top of your head.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          So you lied?

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            And he’s so stupid he admitted it.

      2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        Yeah, Biden arbitrarily canceling projects, cutting back the length of drilling leases, etc., creates an unstable business landscape. Companies don't want to drop hundreds of millions of dollars to start a project that will be subject to the whims of a senile CCP stooge and his Marxist advisors.

      3. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

        House Democrats call on President Joe Biden this week to use his executive power to declare climate change a national emergency and to permanently ban fossil fuel drilling on public lands.

        If these pussies won't do the work for their own lost causes what do we need them for?

    5. R Mac   3 years ago

      Nobody believes anything you say, Strudel.

  33. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

    Regarding the CATO study....The question is why should Americans be spending 5K annually on immigrants at all? If you come here, support yourself. Don't be a moocher.

    1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

      True, but why limit this to immigrants?

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Because the topic is immigration.
        The attitude that "we already have a dole, so not adding to it is wrong" is irrational.

        1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

          "Because the topic is immigration." fair enough

          "The attitude that "we already have a dole, so not adding to it is wrong" is irrational." I don't follow

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            "We're already wasting taxpayers money so why not waste some more."

            How's that?

            1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

              OK Thanks. That makes sense, but that was in no way my argument. My argument was "We're already wasting taxpayers money so let's not do that anymore or add to it."

              Maybe that part of the comment was not directed at me.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Somebody has to subsidize those delicious food trucks.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Plenty of white people culturally appropriate for you. No worries.

    3. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      The point is, which you completely missed, is that immigrants are less than a mooch than your cousins are. I'm sure it all balances out in a couple of generations, but people who come here to work tend to work, not mooch.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        The cousins are born here and we can't get rid of them. The immigrants on the other hand have no right to be here and we can get rid of them. You miss the point. Whether they are better than the worst of American society is not only beside the point but would hardly be an endorsement of them even if it were relevant.

        1. perlmonger   3 years ago

          Welfare swap? Let in one Honduran, send one Californian to Honduras? Sounds like the price difference would more than cover the cost of the plane ticket.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Start with brandy. He was crying about how his neighborhood he chose to move to was too white. He would love Honduras.

          2. mad.casual   3 years ago

            First, the natives' parents and parent's parents paid in. Calling it mooching based solely on cost ignores this fact. Second, even if it is mooching, x + n*x will always be greater than x as long as n is greater than zero. The only way immigration is an economic and unbridled virtue is if you kick the natives, who's parents and parent's parents paid in, out and replace them with immigrants. A policy that combines the servitude of slavery and the theft of colonialism into one.

        2. mad.casual   3 years ago

          The immigrants on the other hand have no right to be here and we can get rid of them prevent them from coming, allow them to come and prevent them from taking, allow them to come and take from them up front and give back in equal proportion...

          FIFY.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        You just said the long term citizen is a bigger mooch, how would it balance out when the immigrants becomes a long term citizen?

        They are still a mooch. Because I gave a dollar to the local homeless person doesn't mean I should be forced to now give one to every homeless person.

        Go give to charity if you care so much. Bet you give zero.

  34. Rich   3 years ago

    New details emerge about federal investigation into Hunter Biden

    [The] probe is exploring whether the younger Biden and his associates violated tax, money laundering and foreign lobbying laws.

    Republican Chuck Grassley presented financial records the Senate obtained that he said showed six-figure payments from the Chinese energy company to Hunter Biden's firm, which included President Biden's brother James Biden.

    Ah, HA!! Now we see who The Big Guy is!

    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      10% and a sword to fall on for the Big Guy.

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      Unless James is really fat, he’s not the big guy.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Let's make them compare "hand" size.

  35. swillfredo pareto   3 years ago

    New research on immigrants and welfare benefits:

    It's great to see Reason adopting the internet startup model of immigration. What we lose on each immigrant will make up for with Ukrainian volume.

  36. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    Your weekly reminder that the left made a deal w/ the devil regarding the ruling class. The ruling class gets to do whatever they want climate-wise and Epstein-wise, but the ruling class has to promise to grind the masses down into poverty and servitude, in order to prevent the masses from raping the Earth with their consumption.

    Earth can handle John Kerry's private jet, but not the masses flying.

    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      Flying en masque.

      1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

        A long masque...for a long face. 🙂

  37. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8068916/

    The entire Reason staff ought to have to watch the above documentary. It is about a case in Missouri in the early 80s where the a small town finally had enough of the town scumbag after years of him being let off for one crime or another, blew his brains out on main street with 50 people watching.

    The Missouri justice system was at that time a Libertarian dream. The guy got convicted and still got appellate bond. It was basically impossible to detain anyone pre trial. So, every time he was arrested, he would go out and intimidate the witnesses into not showing up and get off.

    The lessons of this whole thing are many. The one that Libertarians should learn is that those protections ended up harming the very person they were supposed to protect. The guy in question was a dirt bag but he didn't deserve to get his head blown off in front his wife either. That ended up happening because the justice system had become slanted towards defendants, it stopped doing its job and the community took things into their own hands.

    1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      The lessons libertarians should learn is that "utopia is not an option". The problem with skidmore is that it had a criminal justice system that was either corrupt, or intimidated by this dude. The libertarian lesson was that government failed and they only got justice when they took the law into their own hands. Not a great lesson, but else do you do when the government has willfully failed the community?

      You think some authoritarian strong man could have done better? It was the authoritarian strong man that was preying on that town!

      p.s. Also there was a movie made of this starring Brian Dennehy.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        You think some authoritarian strong man could have done better?

        No, I think a rational justice system that actually put criminals in jail pretrial would have done better. That is not a "strong man".

        Come back when you have something besides a strawman argument to respond with.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          I mean even a system that did bail one time and then revoked next arrest would be rational. But we have story after story if modern leftist das putting criminals on the streets despite violating bail conditions over and over.

          1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

            Or no bail post conviction.

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      this is not the lesson for libertarians you think it is

    3. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      The "victim" was white and wouldn't qualify for FJB's newfangled anti-lynching law.

    4. Utkonos   3 years ago

      I read a book about this case.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Um, you want a sticker or something?

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          A medal or a small monument will do…

          1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

            Fret not. As fast as we Skid more away from Skidmore and aim The Pun-Mobile towards Samuel Clemmens home in Florida, Missouri, we'll get you a Happy Meal. 🙂

            With places like Skidmore, it's no wonder Samuel Clemmens called us "The Damned Human Race."

    5. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      The moral of this story is: If the rest of Missouri is like Skidmore, don't "Show Me" that.

  38. R Mac   3 years ago

    So the Washington Post did a story on Targeted Victory without contacting them for comment? How weird.

    Hey remember that time Reason’s Joe Lancaster claimed Marjorie Taylor Greene attended a White Nationalist event, but only cited CBS’s claim of such, instead of actually look into the event, that included several black men and an Asian woman?

    Kinda reminds me of that.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Come on, you can't expect Joe to make a phone call or try to do any reporting. He is journalist not some kind of weirdo documentary maker for God's sake.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Literally took me two minutes to search the event and see all the speakers.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      I think we've all learned in the last five years that Black men and Asian women can be white supremacists too. Especially if they vote against their interests by not supporting the correct political party.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        They're no longer POCs. They're White Adjacent and suffer from internalized racism.

        1. D-Pizzle   3 years ago

          It's worse than that, they're KKK Adjacent.

    3. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Meticulously verified.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        +1 layers and layers of fact checkers

  39. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Meta paid... to place "op-eds and letters to the editor in major regional news outlets, promoting dubious stories about alleged TikTok trends that actually originated on Facebook, and pushing to draw political reporters and local politicians into helping take down its biggest competitor,"

    My private, CIA-funded, regulation-sustained, anti-competitive, quasi-governmental company.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Facebook paying for a few op eds is the end of the world but Jeff Bezos owing the Washington Post is totally okay.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        Facebook paying a Republican consulting firm for some opeds against TikTok is the end of the world, but Facebook paying democrat organizations to "fortify" elections in key voting areas is just muh private company doing private company stuff.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Like I've pointed out here over and over and over again, Facebook and companies like Amazon and Twitter got to be as big as they are because the government allows them to be. If Theranos had actually produced a functional product instead of conning investors out of billions with smoke and mirrors, I guarantee they would be in the same place right now, due to their political connections alone.

          1. Cronut   3 years ago

            I would go further and say they are as big as they are because the government enables them to be. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement between the two entities, at the expense of the American public.

          2. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Theranos lasted as long as they did without a product solely because of their political connections.

            1. D-Pizzle   3 years ago

              And because a lot of powerful men wanted to bang Elizabeth Holmes.

  40. JesseAz   3 years ago

    KAMALA HARRIS: "For Jamaica, one of the issues that has been presented as an issue that is economic in the way its impact has been the pandemic...we will assist Jamaica in Covid recovery by assisting in terms of the recovery efforts in Jamaica that have been essential."

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      I think she’s dipping too deep into the ganja.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        It would be better if she was, but she's just a vapid idiot.

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      Wut?

    3. Ska   3 years ago

      Christ, what a retard.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Just a heartbeat away.

    4. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      Her speech writer is intentionally writing extremely long palindromes just to see if she'll actually say this shit.

    5. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      Does her dad need a job?

    6. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Jamaicans dreadlock downs!

      1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

        Krunkt Kackling Kammie needs to lively up her brain cells, Mon!

  41. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/morphonios/status/1509342070108041218?t=uAuzeGWBpecpIpuAL2lpFg&s=19

    Ukraine has a MAJOR problem with glorifying Nazism & fascist ultra nationalism. A year ago this month, #Ukraine renamed multiple soccer stadiums after notorious Nazi collaborators who committed some of the greatest acts of mass murder & ethnic cleansing of WWII.

    [Link]

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Soros stadium?

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      Well, yeah, because the Soviet communists had committed acts of mass atrocity against them.

      It's really unfortunate that World War II has been transformed into a modern form of creation myth for the US. Just because we were fighting one set of assholes doesn't mean the assholes we allied with were any better.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Reading just a quick bit of wikipedia on the Galicia-Volhynia massacre... yikes.
        Bandera and Shukhevych tortured and killed like 100k Poles, mostly women and children, in addition to the Jews they rounded up for the holocaust.
        But, lest you have too much sympathy, the Poles had just spent the preceding couple years trying to ethnically cleanse the local Ukrainians. And obviously the Soviets fucked everybody up.
        That part of the world is probably best left to its own devices. What a mess.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

  42. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/SheriMAGAA/status/1509119913104973831?t=H17sR9WEXTRbuTnrqPM-CQ&s=19

    0.7% - transgender

    4.5% - gay

    13.4% - black

    These are the culture demographics our government is forcing the 87% majority to conform to.

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      Conforming is no longer enough. You must declare your unconditional support, subjugate yourself to their whims, and exalt them.

  43. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Hey Nardz. What do you think of this guy?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REBRCVqnbiA

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      And is the Azov battalion real or hype? In your opinion.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Whoa, wait. Your video agrees, AFAICT, with everything Nardz has reported and even makes up some shit in an overt defense of the Azov battalion.

        Seriously, the narrator literally says, "but just because a country isn't perfect [because of the Azov battalion] doesn't give Putin the right to invade the Ukraine". A statement that no one but himself, has made. Putin didn't claim they were invading because of the Azov, Nardz didn't say they have a right to invade because of the Azov, nobody's said the Ukraine doesn't have a right to defend itself because of the Azov. All they've said is that the Azov is a legitimate reason for people outside the region not to get involved. The only reason you would inflate the argument is if you thought there was an obligation to preserve the Ukraine, Azov included.

        He goes even fuller retard to equate the Azov with various Muslim caliphates and the US invasion in the ME. Should Russia have supported Iran and other regional powers that worked with and supported such Muslim extremists?

      2. Nardz   3 years ago

        The Azov battalion was real, and has been committing atrocities for almost a decade. I say "was" because it seems Russia has nearly wiped them out over the past few weeks. Those who haven't deserted and successfully snuck away disguised as refugees are trapped in a couple blocks in Mariupol.
        But Azov was just the flashiest of literal-nazi paramilitaries. Right Sector is their quasi-political org (and their poor showing in the last election is what Ukraine bots always trot out to deny there's a literal nazi problem), and there are several others. Those two are just the most visible.
        Here's a hint: if you see the black and red flag, you're looking at nazis or nazi sympathizers.
        The nazi problem is not small. As linked above, they're naming stadiums and streets after these guys. They are celebrated national heroes, without any of the hesitation/sheepishness with which Stalin is treated in Russia when some of his actions are lauded.
        Further, they are pretty much the security state. Imagine blmantifa as not tools of, but the federal security/police apparatus itself.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      He like does analysis and stuff, but isn't a twatter. I don't do twits.

    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Thanks. Very informative.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        These are the principled ideas you always say you make huh.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Three responses to himself.
          Sad.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            He is so desperate to be a victim in everything he does.

          2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

            He lives in a world of grey bars and is ronery.

        2. mad.casual   3 years ago

          @7:24 [Chaiko] joined the military back when it was still the SU in 1989 so he's probably down to conquer all the land up to Western Germany

          WTHF? It's like, in the middle of your analysis of Tom Brady's sunsetting QB career, saying he's down to win the next 10 Super Bowls even after Don Yee has said after two more seasons, he's done. Do you really think Tom Brady doesn't realize that he hasn't got 10 Superbowls left in him? Do you really think that Don Yee thinks Brady's got 10 left in him and is underselling Brady? Why would you say that, even from the armchair, if not to make yourself look like a retard?

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        Why are you talking to yourself?

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          He forgot to log into whatever sock was going to validate his nonsense?

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Damn, drunk before 11am!

    4. mad.casual   3 years ago

      What you've got is a small arms expert making larger projections with limited information. And, to quote Harry Callahan, A man's got to know his limitations.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        A man's got to know his limitations.

        In that vein, given my reputation, one might surmise this is a link to Dirty Harry. It's not. It's a link to (IMO) still-not-renowned-enough small arms expert Ian McCollum covering his own explicit failures to predict post-pandemic inflation, ammo shortages, and the possibility of post-Cold War Russian paratroopers showing up in places where they don't belong.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          I was thinking Megadeth.

          1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

            Much better than Aerosmith.

      2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

        Too many good Harry scenes to reference. This one always makes me chuckle. Shows how far we have come from both sides.
        Mrs. Gray.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rcIJIWqYmo

  44. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1509533142868271104?t=lYwdZnu2RliQNmB04V2sWg&s=19

    JUST IN - German companies "can, want, and will" pay in euros, Chancellor Scholz said in response to Putin's new decree on Russian gas.

    1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

      The Russian companies are under contract to deliver the fuel and accept payments in euros or dollars They have no legal right to change the terms of the contract.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        LOL

        1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

          Yeah, you don't get it. Lol!

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            "The Russian companies are under contract... no legal right"

            I'm pretty sure that you're the one who isn't getting it.

            1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

              can you imagine being as ignorant as this Strazele guy

          2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            Holy crap, what a dumbass.

      2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        oh no! No legal right?

        Kind of like how the US had no legal right to seize Russian held central bank reserves?

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Or privately held yachts.

        2. R Mac   3 years ago

          Or Canada had no legal right to seize the trucker convoy supporter’s bank accounts.

      3. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

        Legal. Tee hee.

    2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      The Russians bought off German politicians and used the Russian funded green movement to get it dependent on its gas instead of the nuclear that it had.

      That makes Germany look really stupid and corrupt. But, it doesn't make Russia look good or like anything but the assholes that they are. Russia is behind pretty much every leftist activist organization in the west. Yet, somehow you people think they are a force for good or some kind of a victim rather than a malignant boil on the ass of civilization that they are.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        "The Russians bought off German politicians and used the Russian funded green movement"

        They did that in North America too. That's why millions of idiots like Shrike will insist Athabasca oil sands oil is somehow "dirty" oil, while pumping their car full of Orinoco oil sands and Niger Delta oil.

    3. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      LOL the balls on those Germans!

  45. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1509506254250684424?t=uJYS6xZdnGshA1k2yNWrnw&s=19

    Let me get this straight, their currency is going back to its normal levels and our country is the one with the exploding gas prices?

    It’s almost like Biden’s real target is the American people

    1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

      Putin Reportedly Backs Down In Standoff Over Ruble Payments For Gas

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-reportedly-backs-down-in-standoff-over-ruble-payments-for-gas/ar-AAVIwv8

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        MSM as information is the undefeated champion.

        "msn.com" is not a real news source.

        https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/putin-signs-decree-ordering-gas-exports-be-halted-if-buyers-dont-pay-rubles

        1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          dammit... MSM as MISinformation ... we need an edit button

          1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

            The edits are automatic; you type misinformation, they put out information.
            Sit down and shut up. You posted what your betters say you posted, just like voting.

  46. Nardz   3 years ago

    And this was before gas prices doubled

    https://twitter.com/yesisworld/status/1509535576210423809?t=sl4DNlsdUP3_SZjwJfnLUg&s=19

    Again I understand facts are hard but I am fresh out crayons. Polling was done after the election and 17% of likely voters said they would not have voted for Biden had they known about the laptop which was censored. Educate yourself our countries future depends on it.

    1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      And 33% of Biden voters would not have voted for Biden if they had been living at the time.

  47. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    I just want a mostly clear label on the sausage that it lacks meat. Nothing worse than a chicken-apple sausage without the chicken.

    I picked up some sharp cheddar a couple years ago, not paying much attention. I didn't know the brand, but the label said "sharp cheddar cheeze". So I assumed it was cheese. Sigh. It was vegan poo. Other than shape and color, it had none of the properties of a quarter pound block of cheese. And it stunk like someone had died inside the plastic wrap. Taking a close look at the label, I notice in smaller print that it said "vegan", but nowhere did it ever say "not cheese", or "fake cheese" or even "milk free".

    So go call your sausage whatever you want, but make it clear to the consumer that it's not meat sausage. Otherwise that treads over the line into fraud, and the NAP doesn't allow that.

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      I read the first third of your comment and then remembered that you live in California. No sympathy.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Buyer beware. Read the label.

      I figured out I was lactose intolerant when I was a teen. I got into a habit of reading labels. The information is there. If you don't read it it's your fault.

      1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

        Yeah, libertarians for moar labeling laws. Got it. I just want a big neon sign saying "NOT CHEESE!"

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

          It's right there in the name. Like American cheese is labeled Cheese Food. Maybe there's cheese in there this time, maybe not. Whatever it is there is less Cheese part than Food part or other. Chee(z)e follows the same rule.

        2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Common sense dude.

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      "tHerE oUghtTa be A laW!"

    4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      I tried some vegan bacon once. It looked and tasted just like a piece of cardboard with a picture of bacon drawn on it.

  48. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    "Vegetarian food companies can legally use terms like sausage and burgers in their marketing, per a new federal court ruling."

    So the democrats CAN pretend to be "moderate"?

    1. Jefferson's Ghost   3 years ago

      '''So the democrats CAN pretend to be "moderate"?'''

      I don't think so. I am thinking even someone who can't tell "almond milk" from "milk" wouldn't fall for. Then again, I could be wrong....

  49. Jerry B.   3 years ago

    Meanwhile, the FTC is suing Intuit because they apparently think that TurboTax ads that say TurboTax provides "free" software are deceptive because all of TurboTax's software isn't free.

    https://www.news4jax.com/business/2022/03/29/ftc-sues-intuit-to-stop-bait-and-switch-turbotax-ads/

    1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      It's borderline. The software is free. The filing is not. I suppose one can print out all the info and copy onto a 1040, but the ads to imply that it's free, as in free to use. Again, borderline. The FTC should still fuck off.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        It is not even close to borderline. Intuit sells software and they provide TurboTax software without charge. The FTC is pretending they claim to provide transaction services for free, which they don't.

        Hint: you get what you pay for.

  50. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    More than two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the federal government has launched a website (covid.gov) to direct people on how to get vaccines, tests, masks, and disease treatment and provide information about virus spread around the country, travel rules, and more.

    Just in time! Thanks, government!

  51. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Biden administration is officially supporting surgery for minors convinced they are trans. Pathway to force it to be included in medical plans has started.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-transgender-agenda-youth-sex-change-hormone-therapy

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      I wonder what their end game is? Because even they must realize how psychotic and evil what they're doing to kids is.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        As far as I can tell, the endgame is fucking children.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          ^

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          But not women, right? Nobody should ever fuck woman.

          1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

            Define "woman"

            1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

              I’m not a biologist.

              1. GroundTruth   3 years ago

                But do you know the difference between "plant based meat" and meat?

          2. mulched   3 years ago

            I'm not a biologist. How can I tell?

      2. Marshal   3 years ago

        Isolate children from normal social environments, mutilate them so normal relationships are impossible, offer them a "community" consisting of left wing political activists, reel them in.

        The same end game as other cults.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          So the WEF and Democratic Party are Heaven's Gate run by billionaires? Sounds about right.

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      Noteworthy that the list of "appropriate treatments" cited in the document include any kind of intensive therapy to ascertain whether the child does actually suffer from gender dysphoria and not social grooming, whether any actual gender dysphoria is due to underlying trauma or other mental health or developmental issues, and whether any of those issues can be resolved through appropriate therapy. Because a lot of kids with gender dysphoria issues have a shitload of other issues too, and probably gender dysphoria is a symptom and not a condition unto itself.

      It also says you're supposed to just believe a kid when he says he's trans. I take literally everything my 11 year old says with a giant helping of salt, because kids are irrational and don't usually have a well developed understanding of much of anything. So if she comes home and tells me she's trans, I'm going to assume there's more going on there, because I'm a responsible parent.

  52. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    Look, if a human with a man sausage can claim to be a woman, then a vegan with a plant sausage can claim to sell food.

    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      Just call it vague-an sausage.

  53. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "These rulings should make other states think twice before trying to impose their own vegetarian food-labeling censorship schemes."

    Now do "medicine".

  54. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "But Senate Republicans have balked at setting aside additional money, saying they want a full accounting of earlier spending, and House Democrats subsequently rejected a plan to repurpose money already pledged to states," notes The Washington Post.

    Finally, back to normal partisan posturing and Congressional dysfunction.

  55. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Headline finding: The average value of welfare benefits consumed per immigrant was $5,778 in 2019, about 28 percent less than the $8,012 average per native‐ born American.

    You might think this is a point in your favor if you’re an ardent immigration supporter, but its an own-goal when the number should be zero.

  56. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Imagine caring about vegan "sausage" one way or the other LOL

    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      Vegan Sausage? Is that Lia Thomas' nickname?

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        Should be vegan taco. Because it's fucking fake.

    2. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      I remember Dennis Kucinich once trying some vegan Kielbasa, and declaring, "Not like Mom used to make".

  57. Marshal   3 years ago

    The average value of welfare benefits consumed per immigrant was $5,778 in 2019, about 28 percent less than the $8,012 average per native‐ born American.

    The relevant point would be that the average welfare benefit per immigrant is $5,778 more than it would be if he were still in Guatemala.

    1. creech   3 years ago

      Yes! This "immigrant cheaper for taxpayer" meme only works if we exchange one native-born moocher for every immigrant moocher.
      Also applies to the "immigrants commit less crime" meme.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        only works if we exchange one native-born moocher for every immigrant moocher

        And assumes that taxing the natives, calling them moochers, and then kicking them off their land, despite the economic benefits, is somehow moral.

  58. Dillinger   3 years ago

    boys in the girls' room and we're taking "what's meat?" through the appeals courts.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      In both cases we are arguing about sausages.

  59. Azathoth!!   3 years ago

    Please, allow me to help....

    As plant-based alternatives to animal products—including meat, milk, and mayonnaise—have gained in popularity, there's been a growing push (often driven by the likes of dairy farmers and other animal-product producers) to control what companies can call these alternative products.

    Should read---

    As plant-based alternatives to animal products—including meat, milk, and mayonnaise—have remained wildly unpopular with the omnivorous public there's been a growing push (solely driven by the likes of imitation animal-product producers) to engage in false advertising by claiming their product is the product it is imitating.

    See? It's easy to write down what's actually happening,

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      I move that all vegan "meat" products be labeled transmeat. Because it's not real meat.

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

        Products with Animal Dysphoria. Soon they will need counseling and their own psychology department at the local university.

        1. GroundTruth   3 years ago

          Just think of the funding opportunities!

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      Also, there's one company that puts beet juice in their burgers to make it more like a regular burger. Even vegans can't pretend that people like eating meat.

  60. Cronut   3 years ago

    David Hogg has something stupid to say about fhe FL parenral rights bill:

    https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1509516853160210444?s=20&t=RUmjSdyEg7lbnatF5aP3jQ

    Apparently Baron von Steuben was gay? I learned about him in middle school or high school I think, and also in the Army, but no one ever mentioned he was allegedly gay. This information is completely irrelevant to von Steuben's contribution to the Continental Army and has zero educational value, but Hogg thinks it's the reason why it's important for K-3 teachers to be allowed to discuss gayness in the classroom.

    .

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      I read a ton of Revolution era history and have never heard that before. But it is also irrelevant. Also, I don't think most high schoolers, much less your average 6 year old, knows who Baron von Steuben even was.

      Also, David Hogg is is a stupid shit-weasel.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      I'm willing to meet Hogg half way on this. We should absolutely teach kids that Ernst Rohm and Edmund Heines were gay and the SA brownshirt militias and civil unrest they organized were instrumental in bringing Hitler to power.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Teach kids that Harvey Milk was an avid supporter of Jim Jones as Jones' Temple help get them elected. Teach them that Milk defended Jones and the Temple against allegations of abuse and petitioned Carter to step into Timothy Stoen's custody battle over John Stoen who was killed at Jonestown at the age of 6.

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Teach kids that Nero had three wives and two male spouses and beheaded, tortured, crucified, and fed Christians and other non-desirables to the lions. Tell them that he murdered his own mother because of her affections for his wife and her disapproval of his mistress.

        Let's have it Hogg. Explain how von Steuben's homosexuality was crucial to his battlefield prowess and Rohm, Heines, Milk, and Nero's personal identities weren't *more* important to their social and political activism.

    3. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      And really, Barron von Steuben is way too deep a reference for third graders, regardless. You barely expect them to know George Washington, and they definitely don't know Madison and Hamilton. When they're in junior high and really getting their first picture, they're still barely touching on Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, John Jay, guys like that.

      So international figures like Lafayette and von Steuben are really reserved for deeper dives in high school, and yet not every high school is going to get into the international picture of it. Most high schoolers don't give a shit and get bored, and you're forced to rush through the unit and hit the high points.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        In a 'man on the street poll' I'd give 5:1 odds on the question "When is Casimir Pulaski day?" and I'd offer 10:1 payouts on parlays of "Who was Casimir Pulaski?" Even in IL, I'd probably only halve the odds.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Hell, 2:1 odds outside IL and even money inside IL that Pączki Day and Casimir Pulaski Day get conflated despite having no direct relation to one another besides "Polish".

          And Hogg is worried about von Steuben.

          1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

            I never once even learned about Benedict Arnold in school. His name never came up in my education. It was more of a cultural reference I was aware of, but I never knew exactly what he did, just that he was associated with treachery.

            1. Utkonos   3 years ago

              I learned about Benedict Arnold from the Brady Bunch. The kids used that reference more than once…

            2. Nardz   3 years ago

              The Benedict Arnold story is a sad one.
              Dude was a legit hero, then became a traitor because the piece of shit Gates kept screwing him over.
              Arnold cant be excused, but Gates is just as much a villain.

    4. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      Hystarians have already declared Casimir Pulaski was a tranny, Abe Lincoln was gay and Nero was a great guy after all. Hitler, however, remains a staunch heterosexual "lifelong bachelor" even though he sucked on a Walther PPK rather than consummate his marriage.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Maybe we can designate Phillipe I, Duke of Orleans, as the first transgender created by a munchie mom; the Duke was an open-cross-dresser and his mom, Anne of Austria, regularly addressed him as her "little girl" when he was a kid.

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Hystarians have already declared Casimir Pulaski was a tranny

        This was exceptionally hilarious too. The science supporting the 'He was trans or a woman' claim has, at best, a 50/50 shot of being a relative within 6 generations (and even that's being fast and loose with maternal DNA about a niece he shouldn't have shared maternal DNA with) *or* irrefutable proof that the remains are contaminated (which had already been concluded).

        The anti-logic, anti-fact, anti-science runs deep with the pro-trans community.

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          Reality is their enemy

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago

            It's almost like watching Forrest Gump and then insisting you have proof that Forrest suffered from Kleinfelter's syndrome. You have no evidence of where he was born (that isn't itself riddled with inaccuracies and inconsistencies). The parts of his life that are clearly documented, he attended a male Catholic school, courts women, and enlists and is treated (both socially and medically) as a man in the military. His death and burial are as, if not more, unclear, even to his contemporaries, as his birth.

            So you run a mitochondrial DNA mtDNA test on Forrest Gump Jr.'s daughter, who wouldn't share maternal DNA with her grandfather (except in Pulaski's case it was his brother's grand daughter), and claim it as proof that FG Sr. had either Kleinfelter's Syndrome or Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, neither of which would be diagnosable, let alone distinguishable, from an mtDNA test on a distant relative.

            Hardcore sacrificing of science itself on the alter of woke culture.

  61. Vesicant   3 years ago

    Great! No more truth in food labeling! That means I can package dog crap as "pre-processed vegetable-based filet mignon" because (1) it passed through the dog, and (2) I picked it up off the lawn. And Charlton Heston had better stop shouting "soylent green is people" or the ALDF will sue his pants off.

  62. BillyG   3 years ago

    Inside Meta's campaign to smear TikTok.

    It's ok. TikTok has a campaign to smear Meta's VR. Why is only Meta's campaign mentioned?

  63. libertarian-ish   3 years ago

    Food labeling is not a fee speech issue, the vegan companies don't have the right to mis-label their products, and they have a definite incentive to market themselves as being comparable to natural foods. Vegan sausage is not sausage, soy milk is not milk. One is vegetable mush and the other is soy bean juice. They should have to be truthful in their labeling.

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