Here Is Why a Federal Judge Says Trump Probably Committed Felonies When He Tried to Overturn Biden's Election
A ruling in a dispute over emails sought by the January 6 committee agrees that Trump's actions likely violated two federal laws.

A federal judge in California yesterday ruled that Donald Trump and one of his legal advisers, former Chapman University law professor John Eastman, probably committed federal felonies when they conspired to reverse the outcome of the 2020 presidential election by pressuring then–Vice President Mike Pence to block or delay congressional ratification of Joe Biden's victory. U.S. District Judge David O. Carter concluded it was "more likely than not" that the scheme violated 18 USC 1512, which prohibits obstruction of "any official proceeding," and 18 USC 371, which criminalizes conspiracies to "defraud the United States."
Carter made that determination while adjudicating a dispute over emails sought by the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol by Trump supporters who accepted his stolen-election fantasy and were angry at Pence for refusing to go along with Eastman's plan. While the practical impact of Carter's conclusion is limited to just one disputed document, his analysis amounts to an indictment of conduct that was not just dishonest and reckless but arguably criminal.
"The illegality of the plan was obvious," Carter writes. "Our nation was founded on the peaceful transition of power, epitomized by George Washington laying down his sword to make way for democratic elections. Ignoring this history, President Trump vigorously campaigned for the Vice President to single-handedly determine the results of the 2020 election. As Vice President Pence stated, 'no Vice President in American history has ever asserted such authority.' Every American—and certainly the President of the United States—knows that in a democracy, leaders are elected, not installed….President Trump knowingly tried to subvert this fundamental principle."
Eastman argued that 111 of the documents sought by the January 6 committee's subpoena were protected either by attorney-client privilege, which applies to confidential legal advice, or by the "work product" doctrine, which applies to material prepared in anticipation of litigation. The select committee argued that the disputed emails were not protected, invoking the "crime-fraud exception," which applies to legal advice "in furtherance of" a crime.
Carter concluded that 13 documents qualified as work product and that the crime-fraud exception applied to just one: a memo prepared for Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani recommending that Pence "reject electors from contested states on January 6." Carter says that memo "may have been the first time members of President Trump's team transformed a legal interpretation of the Electoral Count Act into a day-by-day plan of action."
As Carter notes, that plan of action was blatantly illegal. In conversations with Greg Jacob, Pence's counsel, Eastman conceded that the plan violated the Electoral Count Act in several ways. And while Eastman questioned the constitutionality of that law, Carter says, the proper way to resolve those claims would have been to raise them in court rather than unilaterally choosing to ignore the statute.
Eastman likewise acknowledged that it was "100 percent consistent historical practice since the time of the Founding" that the vice president does not have the legal power to do what Eastman and Trump wanted him to do. Eastman also admitted that it was likely the Supreme Court would unanimously agree.
On January 3, 2021, Eastman nevertheless wrote a six-page memo calling for "BOLD" action by Pence to stop Biden from taking office. "The stakes could not be higher," he wrote. "This Election was Stolen by a strategic Democrat plan to systematically flout existing election laws for partisan advantage; we're no longer playing by Queensbury Rules."
The next day, Eastman, at Trump's behest, pushed his plan in a meeting with Pence, Jacob, and Marc Short, the vice president's chief of staff. "During that meeting," Carter notes, "Vice President Pence consistently held that he did not possess the authority to carry out Dr. Eastman's proposal." Eastman met again with Jacob and Short on January 5, saying, "I'm here asking you to reject the electors." Most of that meeting was consumed by an argument in which Jacob disputed the legal merits of Eastman's memo.
"Despite receiving pushback," Carter says, "President Trump and Dr. Eastman continued to urge Vice President Pence to carry out the plan." At 1 a.m. on January 6, Trump tweeted that "if Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency," averring that "Mike can send it back!" Seven hours later, another Trump tweet insisted that "states want to correct their votes," saying "all Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN." He urged Pence to "do it," because "this is a time for extreme courage!"
Trump delivered the same message in a phone call to Pence around 11:20 a.m. that day. According to Pence's national security adviser, who was present during that conversation, Trump castigated the vice president as "not tough enough to make the call." Trump and Eastman reprised the same theme during their speeches at the "Stop the Steal" rally that preceded the Capitol riot. Trump closed his speech by urging his followers to march on the Capitol in the hope of inspiring "the kind of pride and boldness" that "weak" Republicans like Pence needed "to take back our country."
Around noon, Pence publicly rejected Trump and Eastman's appeals, saying, "It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not." After the riot started, Trump condemned Pence on Twitter: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"
In an email to Eastman while Trump's enraged supporters were storming the Capitol, Jacob noted that the rioters "believed with all their hearts the theory they were sold about the powers that could legitimately be exercised at the Capitol on this day," and "thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege." Eastman, who was still trying to change Pence's mind, took a different view: "The 'siege' is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so the American people can see for themselves what happened."
A conviction for obstructing or attempting to obstruct an official proceeding requires proving that the defendant acted "corruptly." According to 9th Circuit precedent, that element does not require "consciousness of wrongdoing." But in this case, Carter says, Trump "likely knew that the plan to disrupt the electoral count was wrongful."
While Trump and Eastman justified their actions by asserting that the election had been stolen through systematic fraud, that claim had been rejected by cybersecurity experts, state officials of both parties, the courts, and "numerous executive branch officials," including Attorney General William Barr. Trump therefore "likely knew the justification was baseless," Carter says, meaning "the entire plan was unlawful." Eastman's concessions about the legal dubiousness of his "BOLD" plan underline that point.
A conviction for conspiracy to defraud the United States requires coordination, the use of "deceitful or dishonest means," and at least one "overt act"—all aimed, in this case, at obstructing "a lawful government function." Carter thinks the same pattern of behavior that implicates Trump and Eastman in obstructing a congressional proceeding probably would satisfy those elements as well.
Carter's conclusions do not necessarily mean that Trump or Eastman could be successfully prosecuted for either of these crimes. The preponderance-of-the-evidence standard for applying the crime-fraud exception is much less demanding than the proof beyond a reasonable doubt required for a criminal conviction. So even if the January 6 committee ends up recommending criminal charges, the Justice Department might sensibly decline to pursue them. But Carter's ruling, which calls Eastman's plan "a coup in search of a legal theory," reminds us of how outrageous and unprecedented Trump's reaction to his electoral defeat was.
"More than a year after the attack on our Capitol, the public is still searching for
accountability," Carter writes. "This case cannot provide it. The Court is tasked only with deciding a dispute over a handful of emails. This is not a criminal prosecution; this is not even a civil liability suit. At most, this case is a warning about the dangers of 'legal theories' gone wrong, the powerful abusing public platforms, and desperation to win at all costs."
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Fucking bullshit.
What, assume guilt then view everything with that result as the base assumption and viola you can reach any conclusion you like.
You put it somewhat more elegantly than I. But yeah.
Bingo. Analyze everything Trump does from a presumption of guilt, and he ends up looking really guilty.
Well when he threatened the vote counters in Georgia he pretty much fucked any hope of being innocent. Trump was fun while it lasted, but in the end he turned out to be another tyrant.
“threatened the vote counters in Georgia”
Cite?
You mean when he asked them to find invalid votes as they are currently doing with the investigation into democrat groups paying for ballot harvesting illegally?
Yeah, that didn’t happen.
It's pretty easy to spot these B.S. liars.
Tyrant = De-regulation??? Ya... B.S. couldn't have a bigger label on it.
Every word you said after ‘well’ is complete bullshit.
Why didn't the judge just chant "orangemanbad" instead? It would've made slightly more sense.
"orangemanbad" makes SHITLOADS more sense (is a more truthful thing to say) than ANYTHING that is emitted by Mammary-Fuhrer the Perfect Necrophiliac!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
*Salon article*
How many more times do you need that DNC agitprop refuted? We must be in the hundreds?
Stupid bitch "refutes" shit by not reading it! How many things have You (Perfect One) NOT read by now? Can You refute the entire universe by now?
I've read it. It's pure Democrat propaganda and flat out lies, as we've told you before.
Time and time again people here have refuted it, and every single time that they have, you've run away and ghosted the thread.
I don’t know if SQRLSY is gay or not. If he is, I suspect even other gays would call him a worthless faggot I’m disgust.
"I’m disgust."
Yes, Vexatious, you ARE disgust personified!
I mean, I can start dismembering that shitstain of an article, just off the title:
Totalitarianism came to America at least 100 years ago. Fascism has been in vogue here at least as long. Trying to lay either of those at the feet of a man who fought against an election through only legal channels and left office on the appointed day is so epically stupid, shrike would look at it and say "goddamn that is one dumb motherfucker."
Sqrlsy must've had that Democratic Party propaganda piece dissembled on him a thousand times now. You're one thousand and one.
But watch, he'll ghost this thread and then post it again next week claiming it's never been refuted.
You morons don't even know the meaning of the word "refute". Here, this is Your Perfect Style of "refuting" shit:
"That was a lie because I, and my Tribe, have said that it is a lie, 10,000 times."
NO substance at ALL!!! Just like your so-called "brains"!
William Barr, investigated Trump's claims and found that Biden had won legitimately.
Complete lie. He has since admitted he did not investigate a single State. He has issued no report what his investigation detailed and gives no results or conclusions other than going on media and yelling bullshit.
The story also says you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Biden defeated Trump because ...wait for it...Trump is a 'sore loser'. Do you think any sane person would believe or respond to such nonesense.
Hitler's lie about WWI is a crock. It failed miserably and mnost certainly had nothing to do with his rise to power. He started in 1919 and after 13 yeaers, they lost 2 million votes from the prior election and were on the way out. But as was the case with Chamberlain, '....Papen, who wanted the position of vice chancellor and thought he could control Hitler, convinced Hindenburg to form a coalition with the Nazis and appoint Hitler as chancellor. Hindenburg finally gave in and appointed Hitler as chancellor. Hitler’s final grab for power was when he negotiated with the Reichstag members to give him temporary “emergency” powers for four years, (Enabling Act - that had nothing to do with lies about WWI) enabling him to act without the consent of parliament or the German constitution..' The first thing he did was go after the Catholic Church one of most powerful coalitions in Germany at the time.
In other words the Salon bullshit about Hitler's lie about about Jews and socialists and WWI and using it to seize power is a total crock - it failed.
"Hitler's lie about WWI is a crock."
Germans (NAZIs) at that time did NOT blame Jewish bankers for "stabbing Germany in the back" during WW I? And I suppose that next, you will tell us that the NAZIs never exterminated a single Jew, gay, or Gypsy? (Latter PC term "Roma")? What planet did you say you were from? On Planet Bondage-to-Lies, do they believe the below things?
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/?comments=true#comments (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
SPOT ON. It is amazing these so called libertarians would back a tyrant.
Another B.S.'er claiming De-Regulation is totalitarianism...
How did you people get so stupid?
https://reason.com/2021/01/18/carjacker-beaverton-mom-kid-waiting/#comment-8710844
Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot believes that the USA already is (and should be) a 1-party dicktatorshit! That the USA HAS BEEN a 1-party dicktatorshit for some 200 years!!! There is NO point in trying to persuade the Model TJJ2000 Dicktatorbot of ANYTHING! Almost ALL of the circuits of the Model TJJ2000 Dicktatorbot have gone kaput, big-time!
Model TJJ2000 Dicktatorbot is lusting after an UPGRADE to its rusting old body! Wants to be upgraded to Model TJJ20666 Dicktatorbot, and run for POTUS in 2024, with Alex Jones as the VEEP of Model TJJ20666 Dicktatorbot!!! Be ye WARNED!!! Model TJJ20666 Dicktatorbot will be well-nigh INDESTRUCTIBLE! (Unreachable by ANY logic or considerations for the freedoms of others, MOST certainly!)
PLEASE do NOT enable the lusting of the rusting TJJ20000 Dictatorbot!!!
Stupid is; is stupid does.
Model TJJ20666 Dicktatorbot... WHICH party in the USA do you think is the One True Party, and which one should be OUTLAWED? What should the punishment be, for voting for the WRONG party?
As a mere peon, I ask for you to tell me this... WHY are we peons too insignificant for us to get a straight answer from you?
The U.S. Constitution is the One True Party of the USA....
Course you'd know that; if you weren't indoctrinated full of B.S. into believing the USA is about a Prom-King/Queen popularity contest of which [WE] mob won the Power of this corrupted National Socialist (Nazi) Regime Dictator nation taken over by idiot Nazi's like yourself.
As I've stated to you time and time and time and time and time again...... Yet like a leftard anytime someone mentions the USA has a U.S. Constitution ( The "peoples" law over their government ) your ears grow over and the show of ignorance has no boundaries.
Learn what a political party is! Learn to use normal English words that normal English-speakers use! THEN maybe you could communicate intelligently!
A document is one thing! An organization or collection of people with some common goals is a different thing! WHERE did you go to stupid-school?
lmao.... So you like to build your own narrative (the one party) idea in your head and then pretend your own narrative is stupid....
Check... Typical gangster mentality.
The one-party narrative was (and is, and remains, never retracted) YOUR narrative... When I challenged you to name me ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE of a long-term successful one-party nation, here below (from the cited source https://reason.com/2021/01/18/carjacker-beaverton-mom-kid-waiting/ ) is YOUR drivel and lies about the USA being a 1-party state (and a dictatorship at that; WHAT normal person calls the USA a dictatorship?). Your moron-droolings imported below...
"1-party dictatorshit, which worked in the long run"...
Your 1-party dictatorship example... The USA; being dictated entirely and completely by the U.S. Constitution for 200-YEARS. The most SUCCESSFUL country ever seen..........................
You, "trumpanzees support a 1-party "R" state, in the face of endless history showing that multi-party states, polycentric states, work MUCH better than 1-party dictatorshits! Name me ONE, 1-party dictatorshit, ye trumpanzee ye, which worked well for the long run? Are you ready to move to North Korea yet?"
Your Narrative and my answer to it. As it's always been...
But don't let the facts get in the way of your horn blowing monkey sh*t every-time you get a chance.
Your just upset that the USA is !!!-NOT-!!! a democracy; as you've so been indoctrinated by your leftard over-lords but is indeed actually a Constitutional Union of Republican States.
A fact so established that you cannot logically dispute it so instead you start to unravel and start flinging monkey sh*t.
He’s ,ie,y he one stroke to make him like this. Perhaps he will have another, and it will bring us all peace.
What dreadful legal analysis. Your LAWYER writes a letter to somebody & that makes YOU guilty of felonies? The mere fact that you were acting via counsel creates a presumption that you THOUGHT your actions were legal and, thus, makes proving your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt wildly implausible.
Indeed, the mere fact that you were acting via communications you KNEW would be preserved as part of the presidential records act etc suggests you thought our actions were legal.
And you couldn't go to court - the courts had just ruled they couldn't decide the case because Pence had not yet acted! So his whole analysis is dumb. Whether you like Trump or hate him, whether you agree with Trump's legal theory or not, this is crappy legal analysis.
"What dreadful legal analysis. Your LAWYER writes a letter to somebody & that makes YOU guilty of felonies?"
To TDS addled piles of lefty shit, you bet!
Gotdamn, sqrlvo, you are one stupid sack of San Francisco shit.
LOL
Cut it out.
No.
I muted him, but I'm going to point out from time to time that low IQ sqrlvo is just a bitter, worthless WEF cocksucker, because the syphilitic eunuch won't leave me the fuck alone.
Sqrlvo has taken the live and let live option away from me, so it's time for him to fucking die on this board.
Differences on Ukraine aside, we need to pull together to destroy the leftists. They’re the real threat to all of us.
Sure he thought it was legal, which is why he used burner or friends' phones during the Capitol riot he instigated. He was told several times by his own people that he lost before he launched his effort to overturn a US election, a first in 250 years. Takes a real loser to try that and bigger ones to believe him.
The idea he instigated the riot is so laughable, only someone as stupid as Joe or shrike could say that with a straight face.
The way things are going they might get to see what a real insurrection looks like. And it in no way resembles what happened on 1/6.
Democrat Judge. No surprise.
-jcr
Yes, it is BS as this has happened four times in history. To the point after the election, congress wanted to rewrite a constitutional amendment to stop it from happening again. The law for such is, somewhat ambiguous as many laws are so they can be bent to do such things. Trump did approach constitutional lawyers who said that the Vice President had the legal right to do so. Pence refused. Pretty much how legalities can work for and against such political movements. The federal judge is most likely a political hack angry that Trump tried the option, good olde political activism at work by all sides.
George Washington laid down his sword to make way for democratic elections, unfortunately, what happened in November of 2020 was not a democratic election.
It was stolen.
Isn't this a both sides website? Where are all the citations of other times political actors actively drummed up doubt in the veracity of election results?
Or was #notmypresident not a thing?
“Isn't this a both sides website?”
Only when they are forced to criticize someone on the left. They don’t both sides Orange Man Bad.
R Mac Moron Stupid!
NOTHING is as stale as “orange man bad”!
(With the implied idea being that “anyone who says bad things about Orange Man, no matter HOW long and well-documented the list of Trump evils may be, such bad-things-sayer must be a stupid moron”).
Albert Einstein delivers a long lecture with 553 equations and tons of evidence. Conservative moron will say that Einstein said “stuff and stuff is relative”, and walk smugly away, thinking that they have “summarized” Einstein!
Conservative moron will ATTEMPT TO START to tour Holocaust museums and “summarize” by saying “Mustache Man Bad”! (And skip the tour, lest they might actually learn something).
Fucking stupid, smart-ass moronic conservatives STOP smugly posting vacuous “Orange Man Bad”, if you EVER expect to convince data-driven thinkers of ANYTHING!
Albert Einstein wrote an essay endorsing Socialism not five years after National Socialist Europe had murdered jews by the millions in its eugenic extirpation of selfishness. Some physicists are clueless about events outside the ivory tower. Others, like Luis Alvarez, kept a close eye on reality while still finding time to win Nobel prizes.
See sarcasmic: when you've lost the demented senile old piece of shit Hank Phillips...
Hi Tulpa.
Nah we mostly just make fun of you because you're a stupid cunt, sarcasmic.
The thing is, the civil rights nightmare of an open ended investigation with issuing of subpoenas and seizing of documents and records public and private, with no judicial review, should be wild fodder for a "libertarian" publication.
The political aspect of this very obviously being spectacle for the sake of demonizing adversaries prior to the midterms should also be quite interesting.
The notion of this riot compared to other riots is good article writing material.
Comparing protests at Trump's inauguration? Good color for context. Comparing comments of past politicals casting aspersions on everything from voting integrity to election results is both great color AND a chance to act sanctimonious when comparing ourselves to the reptiles who engage in politics.
There are so many great angles that can be shown, and differentiate a theoretically libertarian viewpoint from the non stop trump bashing ever since he got nominated almost 6 years ago. And yet here they are reporting the same straight shit in the same straight way as all the mainstream press, and not giving us anything new.
Whoever is the real managing editor (I think that's KMW) is not doing the job properly.
I agree completely. That’s why I so vociferously criticize Reason’s coverage of Trump.
They’ve allowed childish emotions to completely taint any and all coverage regarding Trump and the Republican Party since he ran for president, to the point that they’ve set aside their principles.
And this story is a perfect example of that. They don’t care that this is a kangaroo court run by Queen Pelosi, because they hate the target.
Remember, Reason supported the Democrats impeachment bullshit and called the Kavanaugh rape claims credible.
But, he's been ruled Officially Probably Guilty! How can you argue with that?
Funny how those complaining about the undoing of the 2020 election were trying for four years to undo the 2016 election.
Clinton Campaign and the DNC is hoping this does not get much attention.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dnc-clinton-campaign-agree-to-steele-dossier-funding-fine/ar-AAVH6R0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=429cfdab3edc471a99a83d3c0cdd1ec7
Bullshit Steele dossier - paid by Clinton
Disinformation campaign to link Trump to a Russian bank - paid by Clinton.
There's a trend.
For a progressive publication pretending to be libertarian in order to undermine liberty, they are doing their jobs perfectly.
Totally agree. Sullum must be required to write some bullshit negative article on Trump every three months or so to keep the payments coming in.
Yeah, the committee is almost certainly unconstitutional (what legislation is all of this informing?) and should be a massive scandal.
That's the killer.
Congressional subpoena is for informing legislation and for their legislative check on the executive branch. It's not meant to be used for anything else. Especially not for criminal investigation, but the partisan committee acts as though it's a prosecutor and grand jury rolled into one.
That's an interesting thing to explore.
The extent of use of that power and the political, legal/constitutional, and societal ramifications of its misuse I think have been mentioned here one time. That's grist for the mill for Libertarians. They could do an article on it fortnightly for a couple of months to cover the topic and how it is used or misused.
I guess all those years of riots and La Resistance only count if you're wearing MAGA hat.
Democrats burning four cities on the day of Trump's inauguration you say? Shut up, that's different.
Of course they were different - they were “mostly peaceful” demonstrations.
When Germans lost their godlike dictator in 1945, thousands of them did the rest of humanity the favor of killing themselves and sparing justice the trouble of hanging them. If only Trumpanzees were so altruistic and dedicated!
Hey look, Hank the demented old piece of shit is also a violent psychopath who wants to commit mass murder from his inpatient treatment center for senile dementia.
When your god-king Biden dies of senile dementia, perhaps we'll get lucky and you'll follow him out of solidarity. Or if you want to run your faggot fucking mouth in person some time, name any time and place of your choosing and I'll be happy to help you out.
What if Hank is actually Biden when the meds kick in?
Except we already know who Hank is.
Forgot the link:
https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/who-is-hank-phillips/
Dafuq.
He offers a service wherein he translates libertarian theory into insane, unhinged gobbledegook.
We do. An anti religious bigoted piece of shit that’s obsessed with infanticide.
How is Trump considered a dictator? His use of E.O.s?
A dictator would say I'm demanding everyone take the vaccine or we will deny you access. No vote by the people who were elected by the citizens to pass laws. Bypassing the democratic process to enforce your order is what dictators do.
18 USC 371, which criminalizes conspiracies to "defraud the United States."
So, SOS in MI and GA will be tried separately in federal courts next, right?
"The Court is tasked only with deciding a dispute over a handful of emails."
Yet, he is perfectly comfortable ruling that something (that apparently had nothing to do with these emails) "probably" happened. Is this normal?
"As Vice President Pence stated, 'no Vice President in American history has ever asserted such authority.'"
Which does not mean the VP does not have that authority. This is the issue.
He clearly doesn't. If he did, Thomas Jefferson, as the sitting VP, could have asserted it and not had to face 33 ballots in the House before his election over Burr was certified.
Historical precedent for the win!
Well in the case of the 2020 election, the most extensive and diverse vote fraud organization in American history for the win
The thing is, is that if the DOJ had wanted to prosecute those stealing the elections, Unser the same statutes, they could have convicted hundreds, if not thousands. But, to the victor go the spoils, and in this case, that includes the DOD, prosecutorial discretion, and the J-6 committee.
Yes, and they did not leave a single piece of evidence of the fraud. Where as the former President's attempt to steal power left a trail of evidence a blind man could follow.
They have thousands of double voting in GA alone...
No, you keep repeating this with no proof. If there is evidence show it.
You lose. Jefferson did not have a situation where the validity of state elections was contested, and alternate slates of electors were appointed. That is the beginning of Eastman's argument.
This is correct. This dispute on whether or not Pence had the authority to do this or not is one for SCOTUS to decide or the Legislature to explicitly write and propose adding to The Constitution. The opinions by very smart people cut both ways on this much like the opinion on whether or not The VP has Constitutional authority to break a Senate tie on Confirmations such as the current Supreme Court nominee.
But Carter's ruling, which calls Eastman's plan "a coup in search of a legal theory," reminds us of how outrageous and unprecedented Trump's reaction to his electoral defeat was.
Fuck you, Sullum, you hyperbolic piece of shit. Did Aaron Burr not react outrageously and attempt to get the results of an election overturned? Have you even seen Hamilton?
Meanwhile, in 1876:
The Constitution provides that "the President of the Senate shall, in presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the [electoral] certificates, and the votes shall then be counted." The Republicans held that the power to count the votes lay with the President of the Senate, with the House and Senate being mere spectators. The Democrats objected to that construction, since the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, the Republican Thomas W. Ferry, could then count the votes of the disputed states for Hayes.
Of note:
Florida (with 4 electoral votes), Louisiana (with 8), and South Carolina (with 7) reported returns that favored Tilden, but the elections in each state were marked by electoral fraud and threats of violence against Republican voters. The most extreme case was in South Carolina, where an impossible 101 percent of all eligible voters in the state had their votes counted, and an estimated 150 black Republicans were murdered. One of the points of contention revolved around the design of ballots. At the time, parties would print ballots or "tickets" to enable voters to support them in the open ballots. To aid illiterate voters, the parties would print symbols on the tickets, and in this election, many Democratic ballots were printed with the Republican symbol of Abraham Lincoln on them. The Republican-dominated state electoral commissions subsequently rejected enough Democratic votes to award their electoral votes to Hayes.
Talk about a no-shit coup!
It is both amusing and deeply disturbing to watch people who claim to love this country and respect the Constitution, and at the same time support Trump's attempted coup. Please pick one, either you like democracy, or you want a dictator.
“Attempted coup”
Eat shit.
Also die.
Actually the coup was successful. But not Trump's.
It is both amusing and deeply disturbing to watch people who claim to love this country and respect the Constitution, demonstrate their abject ignorance of both.
There wasn't an "attempted coup", there was a successful coup, and you know it as well as we do.
The successful coup was when the Lizard People took over Mammary-Fuhrer's so-called "brain"!
And of course Sqrlsy would believe in the "lizard people".
The spastic asshole, suffering from a near fatal case of TDS will make an ass of herself without shame.
Stuff it up your ass, shitpile!
And here we see sqrlvo fuck up his response threading and prove himself the mental equivalent of his namesake.
Or was sqrlvo accusing ML of having TDS in a confused, spastic fit?
Embarrassing.
Stop lying, Molly Goebbels: Trump didn't "attempt a coup".
False dichotomy. I despise both your kind of "democracy" (dictatorship of the majority) and traditional dictatorships. In fact, your kind of "democracy" quickly degenerates into a single person dictatorship.
I prefer a Constitutionally Limited Republic, thank you.
Like the Russian collusion propaganda campaign?
Hey, Hillary Clinton paid for that. Shouldn't she get her money's worth?
The dictator who peacefully left office 2 years ago?
It's hard to believe but it was only a bit over a year ago.
Attempted Coup by wanting the disputed electoral votes be sent back to the states and wait full investigation into obvious irregularities with the votes before being certified? All within the window specified by The Constitution between Election Day and Swearing In Day? Best Constitutional Coup ever.
Because votes are counted and forwarded does not mean they are legal and can not be contested.
Please pick one, either you like democracy, or you want a dictator...
Stupid is; is stupid does -- A democratically elected dictation regime is still a dictation dumb*ss... And De-Regulation =/= Dictation..
My pets are smarter than you leftards....
There was no coup. That’s an idiotic thing to say. When there is a coup, you will be notified. Probably with your back up against a wall getting what’s coming to you.
Was his opinion meticulously verified?
His legal opinion is obviously b.s., as you can verify for yourself by looking up the statutes.
Meanwhile, that Time Magazine article by a Democratic Party propagandist bragging about the outrageous and unprecedented way in which the election was rigged still exists.
Still? Hillary and Trump both both were beaten in elections. Both are hacks for looter parties so of course they claim "we wuz robbed!" They oughtta know more about that than anyone, yet they hardly ever mention the LP spoiler votes that upset their applecarts.
You’re not familiar with the article he’s referencing, are you Hank?
Because of you were, you’d realize your comment has fuckall to do with it.
To be fair, Hank's comments generally have fuck all to do with whoever he's responding to, or reality.
He's like Michael Hihn, only more mentally deranged, if it's possible. And he'll be just as dead as Hihn soon. And just has forgotten and abandoned by his ashamed family, buried in a pauper's grave on the state's dime. It'll be a pretty smooth transition: he's been brain dead for at least a decade. Terry Shiavo had a more functional brain.
They are so afraid of this guy it isn’t funny.
Funny thing is, they don't realize that it's not him they're afraid of.
Just like all the other magical thinking about jobs and wages and emissions and environmental controls and lockdowns and bans and price controls, they just assume that Trump will get convicted, all their problems go away, and nothing else happens. Jan. 6th wasn't another mostly peaceful reaction to the most distrusted press and most distrusted Congress officially appointing someone who, even among people who think his predecessor perpetrated a coup, is only narrowly more popular. It was a coup orchestrated by a dictator.
If an idea/scheme is discussed but never executed, what is the nature, if any, of the actionable obstruction?
Secretaries of State enacting illegal last minute election changes, everyone who even touched anything with the name 'Blasey-Ford' or 'Steele' on it... all of it obstructed official proceedings.
I think the election itself was an official proceeding. And the all the videos of people in multiple states cramming piles of ballots into drop boxes would seem to indicate coordination and conspiracy.
Also, changing election laws without following required procedures, again in multiple states, is also a conspiracy. In my state, they used covid as an excuse to make it easy to cheat, and hard to get caught. When I went in to vote, the poll workers were prohibited from asking for any form of ID, or verifying anything, really.
If you hate Trump, that is your business. But hating him enough to destroy the integrity of the whole election process is very short sighted.
I’ve posted this before, but in Michigan everyone was mailed several unsolicited applications for mail in ballots, and I personally witnessed someone receive one for the previous home owner, and heard several similar stories that I didn’t see the actual ballots for. And it was all illegal.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/17/judge-rules-michigan-secretary-of-state-violated-state-law-with-absentee-ballot-order/
That sure sounds like "obstruction of an official proceeding".
I lived in AZ at the time and was already legitimately signed up for absentee voting, had received my ballot and voted. I received three solicitations to use mail-in voting, as did my wife.
They wanted to destroy the process already, Trump was just the excuse. Because he was Literally Hitler. Just like Mitt Romney, and John McCain, and George W. Bush and Bob Dole...
Or maybe they just call whoever the Republican is Literally Hitler because they're just looking for the excuse.
Prosecutor Willebrandt noticed that "conspiracy" sufficed to generate criminal actions against beer slurpers for nigh onto 14 years. They can dish it out, so why not take it?
We’re not discussing prohibition Hank.
Hank is always discussing prohibition. It's the last political issue he can remember clearly before the senile dementia set in.
Speaking of conspiracies, did you know that God's Own Prohibitionists were so dastardly that they infiltrated the Democratic Party and forced a majority of their congressmen to vote for a constitutional amendment to prohibit alcohol, and then also infiltrated the statehouses of 46 states and forced them to ratify it, then forced 117 Democratic Party congressmen to join 169 Republicans in voting yes for the Volstead Act. But it gets even worse! Those dastardly God's Own Prohibitionists then planed 48 Republicans to join 52 Democrats in voting no for the Volstead Act, just to make it seem as if just as many Republicans opposed the bill as Democrats! Diabolical. I wouldn't be surprised if Donald Trump used Russian time-travel technology to orchestrate the whole thing himself!
Mystical girl bullies were also involved.
Seems like under this interpretation, any disruptive protest of a Congressional session would be a felony.
I don’t know why these supposedly intelligent people did not learn from Hillary Clinton and Lois Lerner and delete the files immediately…if it was ok for the goose then it is good enough for the gander.
And while Eastman questioned the constitutionality of that law, Carter says, the proper way to resolve those claims would have been to raise them in court rather than unilaterally choosing to ignore the statute.
To be dismissed for lack of standing. What the actual fuck.
Can't believe Reason is actually defending this.
I can.
It's Sullum. The dishonest hack's job here is lying for brown envelopes and defending groomers.
Biden said the left's vote fraud organization was extensive and diverse.
It seems niche outlets like Reason are included in that.
Raise them in court to be sat on until the Election was certified then dismiss them because they had no merit anymore. Uh huh,,
Judges who play the "no standing" / "mootness" game should eat great big heaping spoonfuls of arsenic as a public service.
Trump closed his speech by urging his followers to march on the Capitol in the hope of inspiring "the kind of pride and boldness" that "weak" Republicans like Pence needed "to take back our country."
Hmm. Which part of the statement did Reason edit out. I'll peacefully sit over here and think.
Yeah, wow. That's as pretty basally corrupt yellow journalism as it gets.
Tom Cotton said "slavery was a necessary evil", full stop.
I doubt it. Full stop. Got a cite to the exact quote? Full question mark.
That's the joke:
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it", full stop - Abraham Lincoln
Sullum's head too belongs on a pike
Straight propaganda.
Absolutely disgusting.
Don't know anything about this guy, ML, but he has some on point things to say. You like him, or more to the story?
https://twitter.com/MaximeBernier/status/1507405468930617356?t=mpdLtVn--l7Fi6t3dRnXkQ&s=19
The same globalists who’ve been saying that the nation state is a thing of the past, and that protecting our borders and identity is not important, now want to go to war to protect Ukraine’s borders, sovereignty and national identity.
He's really good. Very much Canada's Ron Paul.
He left his fairly high up position in the conservative party when WEF Young Global Leader Andrew Scheer became party leader. The Libertarian Party of Canada had initially asked Bernier to head their party but he started the People's Party of Canada instead. The Libertarian Party of Canada has since asked to merge with the People's Party.
The usual suspects try to slime the party as populist, radical populist, right-wing populist, far right, right-wing radicals etc. but it's really just bog-standard libertarian.
Well, if you don't want International Communism, you're obviously an insane right-wing lunatic.
Partisan judge issues partisan ruling stating that something no court has ever ruled on was "obviously illegal".
js;dr;
These could be illegal acts only by the same type of legal theory that says someone promoting unlikely legal theories to reduce people's taxes was attempting to defraud the government.
^Next Up on the Nazi-Regime to do list...
That would have been for SCOTUS to determine, not Carter.
Trump wasn't "pressuring" Pence, which would have implied some kind of power relationship. But Pence was free to do whatever he wanted to. All Trump was to urge Pence, based on legal theories advanced by several lawyers.
I see no way in which 18 USC 1512 applies to Trump's conduct.
18 USC 371 requires that the participants "conspire", but Pence refused to do what Trump wanted, and it requires that "one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy", which also didn't take place.
Carter's conclusion is obviously false; the real question is whether Carter should be impeached for deliberately abusing his position.
Full stop, Trump made a speech.
It may have been an asinine speech. It may have been wrong. It may have been mendacious. But it was speech.
If this country is really going to insist that speech is tantamount to conspiracy, then liberty is dead and buried. Full stop.
And that Sullum is endorsing such nonsense is a dreadful indictment of Reason. He does not endorse liberty. He does not speak for libertarians. He is a sad, confused man who should be put out to pasture post haste.
It was none of those things.
How do you expect to ever gain any ground if you declare fealty to your attacker's narrative before every argument?
It's not "declaring fealty" to your opponent's argument to steelman their position. On the contrary, it shows the strength of your own positions, if you can say "Even in circumstances which are maximally favorable to you and maximally negative for me, your assertion is still false".
Even if Trump's speech was asinine, incorrect, and mendacious, it was still just a speech. And the contents of that speech are public, and even these loons know better than to try and run with the narrative that the content of that speech met the criteria for "incitement of a riot" or they'd have gone with that ages ago.
And so even if those prior criteria are true, it was still speech, and as established, it wasn't illegal speech.
Like defending repugnant speech, the principles still work.
“And the contents of that speech are public”
And Sullum still had the audacity to lie about the contents. A truly despicable man.
You can regain your principles anytime dude. I promise you feel better about yourself when you do.
U.S. District Judge David O. Carter concluded it was "more likely than not"
So no real proof but it's a gut feel kinda thing. Oh, why not point out that Judge Carter is a Clinton appointee?
Does anyone point out that Long Dong is a token Bush appointee and Fifth Column girl-bullier?
You just did!
In the future, you can just say "nigger", you racist piece of shit.
Seriously? It happens all the fucking time. Like this article about his being released from the fucking hospital.
"Thomas, a conservative and appointee of former President George H.W. Bush...
So why is this case in front of a California judge, and not a judge in DC where all the action is taking place? Forum shopping?
LIKELY!
Glenn Greenwald on January 6 commission.
Is that also the same number of TeenReason staffers who voted for OrangeManBad?
Kevin Clinesmith did worse.
Ooohh the walls are closing in on Trump! For real this time! We beens it! All the previous 47 times were just a coincidence but this time it's real!
Sullen Sullum has zero credibility.
Trump Cult Angry!
Meanwhile Fat Nixon has erased 7.5 hours of phone records.
Most corrupt administration ever. About eight convictions so far. Just one more Gawd please.
Turn yourself in for your crimes against children.
Has anyone noticed the AOC move to impeach Long Dong?
Mostly just racist pieces of shit like you, Hank.
You’re a big AOC fan? Figures.
Today is a GREAT day to stick your dick in a blender, paedophile.
Your j6 committee collected all the donor information for the GOP. And you talk about nixon?? Grow a brain shrike.
Turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Turd lies; it’s all he ever does. Turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. If he included numbers they are either out-right lies or cherry picked such that (his TDS-addled bullshit above) if used by an honest person, they would prove the opposite of what turd is claiming
Turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
^this
Sevo the Pedo is the CLASSIC example of pro-Trump TDS! The TV cameras could be rolling, allowing millions of people (plus direct eyewitnesses) to see Trump committing murder in broad daylight, and pro-Trump TDS tribalists would STILL defend Trump as innocent! Trump has even BRAGGED about this FACT! And THERE is Sevo the Pedo, right THERE!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
Donald Trump: 'I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters'
Republican frontrunner is so supremely confident that he believes he could commit murder and maintain his lead over his opponents
BTW, I'm really sorry the pedo asshole turd did not commit suicide; the world would be much better off is the steaming pile of lefty shit had.
Hey shreek, remember that time when you posted dark web links to hardcore child pornography at Reason.com and got your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned and the entire article and comment section had to be deleted?
PHAKE SKANDUL!!!!!
(Am I doing it right, you child raping distributor of pedophile pornography?)
I hope one of your victim’s parents takes you captive and goes full ‘Law Abiding Citizen’ on you.
So, this is the 'walls are closing' moment? *This*?
The Republican party exists for the sole purpose of robbing people to pay for prisons and graveyards, then stuffing those with victims. They can dish it out, so Fearless Leader ought to be able to take it. Sedition, unlike looking at hand-drawn nekkid cartoons, is a death sentence offence. A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
How many drugs DO you do, Hank?
He is what sarc strives to be.
Psychopathic?
Senile?
Meanwhile your psychopathic death cult has murdered 50 million (mostly black) unborn children, sterilized the "unfit", and sent 60,000 young men to die in a jungle halfway around the world until a Republican finally got into office and ended their bloodbath.
It's hilarious that you think members of congress and presidents face court martial by the way. I'm sure the court will be impressed by your presentation of facts that support charging anyone with sedition or mutiny based on any event that has happened at any time in the last 200 years.
But hey, any time you want to step up and take the law into your own hands, just let me know. Any time, any place, your convenience.
Pence is neither a witness, victim nor informant so the first charge doesn't apply. Defraud means to acquire money illegally. How does that apply? For shame Sullum for shame.
How about discussing how voter turnout exceeded 100% in some areas? Or how about that new movie, 2,000 Mules?
They overpay you, Sullum.
https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/28/joe-biden-got-255000-excess-votes-fraud-tainted-sw/
“Time after time, the news media keeps on saying there’s no evidence of vote fraud there. I think it’s at least a little bit harder for them to go and claim that,” Mr. Lott said.“
Considering they’re all lying propagandists, no amount of evidence to the contrary will make it harder for them to make that claim.
Yeah they all said the laptop couldn't be verified but all it would take is a couple emails.
Laptop is verified and a part of congressional record now.
Or, say, a forensic computer specialist? Maybe the FBI has one of those guys or gals around. If their not too busy that is.
They are busy. Covering it up.
"Mr. Lott said there is no clear reason why absentee turnout alone should increase in just the Democratic jurisdiction, which suggests shenanigans were afoot."
And just a visit down memory lane... When 'absentee' voting was first initiated it's integrity was validated by it's consistency with in-person voting......
There couldn't be any bigger case of fraud than Trump's giant in-person win to invisible mail loss when mail voting integrity was entirely based on it's consistency with in-person voting....
But with CA allowing any vote to count with ZERO checks; why even vote at all? The Nazi-Regime has destroyed any credibility to 'democracy' as they cheer on 'democracy' endlessly exactly how they brought Racism and Sexism to the USA as they cheered on being Anti-Racist and Anti-Sexist exactly how they're bring Gov-Slavery to every individual by robbing their earnings while pretending to be Anti-Slavery exactly how they're developing Communism and Socialism while pretending they're for Individual Rights.....
The left is a 100% contradiction in pursuit of over-throwing the USA and instilling a Nazi-Regime and the voters who cannot see that are the same type of 'sheeple' that created the Nazi-Support in Germany. Any politician who supports a National Socialist agenda is 100% embracing their Nazi ideology (Nazi *IS* the acronym for National Socialism). The Supreme Court is suppose to stop traitorous legislation; but when the Nazi-Regime gets so big they put Nazi fans on the Supreme Court...
Knowing that the Washington Times is crank Republican propaganda will help you go through life. But let's address the central claim:
"Looking at six swing states, the data he crunched found that voter turnout in Republican areas increased from 2016 to 2020 while voter turnout among Democrats dropped — except in places where voter fraud was claimed."
So where fraud is alleged, there was higher turnout. Or, where there was higher turnout, fraud is alleged. Of course, allege in one hand and shit in the other, and you have a handful of shit to offer.
The American judicial system has indulged these treasonous lies beyond their due. You're lucky we're not in another time when we hang motherfuckers who try to steal elections.
Eh, I think a lot of hinky stuff went on during the 2020 election, including some clear violations of election laws. (As the courts are now open to admitting now that doing so doesn't leave Trump in office.) I think it's quite possible, even, that Trump would have pulled off an EC victory, though not a popular vote one, if the election had been entirely on the up and up.
But you have to expect Biden to do unusually well where vote fraud is alleged if Biden doing unusually well prompts accusations of vote fraud. If I'm going to note guys on the other side refusing to consider direction of causality in a statistical study, I've got to notice it when the guys on my side are guilty, too.
We do not have a legitimate federal government.
It is corrupt regime that seized power via coup.
And yall really think they'll let us talk, vote, or litigate out of it?
Live and let live is not an option, it's a fantasy.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Asshole.
Now support your bullshit claim that Putin is justified in his aggression given this, asshole:
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/in-depth-research-reports/report/foreign-interference-in-ukraine-s-election/
Really sorry: it takes an attention span which the asshole nardz may find challenging.
Stuff it up your ass, ignoramus.
Sqrlvo truly is a bootlicking dimwit.
Do yourself a favor and slit your wrists.
Sevo is like a really poorly programmed BASIC chat bot from the TRS-80 days. He sees the name "Nardz", he just randomly spits out one of his extremely limited vocabulary of personal insults regardless of the context or content of the post.
Hey Sevo, you worthless old warmongering bootlicking Nazi piece of shit: while you were looking into foreign interference in Ukrainian elections, you should have taken a peek at the coup the US intelligence community executed there in 2014. It's been fun watching you turn into a Biden ball-gargling warmongering Nazi. You were never bright, nor sane, but you at least used to be a libertarian. Go drag your chickenhawk cowardly pussy faggot ass over there if you want your war so much you draft dodging piece of Nazi shit.
Oh, goody! nardz has another sock stalking me!
Stuff it up your ass nardz; your head is begging for company.
I didn't even need to see the byline to know it this was a Jacob post. I wonder if he just drew the short straw on having to continually cover Trump or if it really is a case of TDS.
Dude obsessively spent 6 months defending a Netflix softcore child porn movie that the rest of the world forgot in a week, then wrote 6 articles in less than 2 weeks defending legalizing child porn and giving no-shit kiddie fuckers 2 month long sentences. He's a true believer.
^
Yeah, any serious federal agent would put some effort into Sullum's computer hardware. He doth protest WAY too much in favor of child porn.
Do you people ever take a break from thinking about fucking children?
Do you people ever take a break from cruelly fucking children?
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1508996783338405891?t=QEEAPjoW2a2TNydOu_MQVw&s=19
Once upon a time, the news media would be all over the Ray Epps scandal and the Whitmer “kidnapping” plot, eager to expose the government’s role in perpetuating sting operations that benefited a political narrative. Not any more—which tells us all we need to know.
https://twitter.com/GermanyinUSA/status/1508552762296082432?t=5pTJK5mQuAAiaimmt6PkQA&s=19
Russia’s war of aggression against #Ukraine is a criminal offense. Anyone publicly approving the war may be liable to prosecution in Germany. This applies to using the "Z" symbol, too. German security authorities are keeping an eye on the use of the symbol. - Ministry of Interior
[Link]
You VILL support zee neo-Nazi militia groups in Ukraine
So they're enacting tyranny because Putin. Typical Germany.
I'd be really curious to see their reaction to a bunch of white guys with shaved heads in wife beaters, blue jeans, and combat boots, marching down the street holding signs with the Wolfsangel on it. Chanting "SLAVA UKRAINI!"
I just want video of people's faces. 😀
Tbh, after years of Femen, Islam and LGBTQWERTY+÷×; unicorns parading down the lanes, they may not even bat an eye unless they actually stay out of the roads.
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If so then a whole lot of democrats are in very deep water starting with AlGores loss in 2000. Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, all the Dems that stood up and tried to stop certification in 2016 and so on. Not to mention everyone from Hillary on down that peddled that false Russia nonsense. Another grandstanding judge out of California.
Problem is the "Russia nonsense" is correct as shown by two reports including a Republican controlled Senate report. The former President continues to this day to curry favor with Putin. Calling the war criminal, a genius and asking him to help him get information on his opponents.
You are literally YEARS behind on actual news.
The only "Russian collusion" was the hoax Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party coordinated with Federal officials to illegally spread and utilize known falsehoods in an effort to discredit and surveil the opposition.
It's a Dem thing.
Sorry wrong. Again, accusation with no evidence. At least with Russia Trump connection we have evidence.
See this--
Sorry wrong. Again, accusation with no evidence. At least with Russia Trump connection we have evidence.
This is why there's going to be a war.
The positions he's citing have been admitted BY THE PERPETRATORS as hoax, lie and fabrication. They admitted these things because the preponderance of physical, undeniable evidence became so great that they could not hide it anymore.
And yet, he still believes.
You cannot reason with such blind obedience. His chains are fastened to his soul and he will fight any who try to free him to the death to keep them.
So be it.
Hahahahahahahahaha
Read the Mueller report.
Where are the Reason articles on:
Russia collusion a hoax.
NY Times retracts Russian collusion and scrubs servers of story
WaPo retracts Russian collusion and scrubs servers of story
Hilary Clinton spied on the Trump campaign.
NY Times admits Hunter Biden laptop is real.
Media covered up Hunter Biden laptop before election.
FBI spread disinformation on Hunter Biden Laptop
Daily Beasts retracts Bounty Gate
DC riot as a photo op retracted
Find the Fraud retracted.
Chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp,chirp, chirp,chirp, chirp......
You should start your own magazine and right all these wrongs.
Or Reason should stop being propaganda for the left.
Correct, you would think a site that promotes itself as libertarian would at least have balance. Reason went full woke liberal. Now if they promote themselves as woke liberal, I would have no problem with them.
I don't have the skills or money for that, and it still wouldn't stop Reasons propaganda.
My understanding is what was before the judge was whether Eastman's using university e-mail to communicate with a client voided attorney-client privilege with regards to Congress' Jan 6 commission supeonaing documents. The judge used this occasion to opine about the legality of Eastman's legal advice, which does not seem to be in his scope of work. The judge seems to be interjecting his opinion unnecessarily to resolve the question before him.
Apparently, what the Jan 6 Commission was asking for would have set a wide ranging precedent for law professors who offer legal counsel as part of their professorship, as it is common practice to use University e-mails to communicate with clients. The Commission was making a similar argument that information stored or communicated through a third party loses all privacy protections.
What principles the Commission is willing to set aside in order to get at Trump is perhaps the more interesting part of this story rather than the judge's unlooked for opinion on whether Eastman and Trump violated any laws.
My understanding is that the 1/6 commission is a kangaroo court ruled by Nancy Pelosi that is not subject to the rule of law.
"...that the scheme violated 18 USC 1512, which prohibits obstruction of "any official proceeding,">
So the people who interrupted the Kavanaugh hearings, and confronted legislators about it in elevators, are felons?
Thought so.
"The illegality of the plan was obvious," Carter writes.
"But enough about civil asset forfeiture, wealth taxation, campaign-finance-reform restrictions on speech, ...."
Oh hey, Ukrainian official filed a report today asserting that then-VP Joe Biden accepted, personally, $900,000 to fire ex-AG Shokin, who was investigating Burisma, which Hunter worked for.
Think there's any current criminality to write a story here? I'm not a journalist, so I can't tell.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936.html
I was wondering at what point Ukraine was going to realize that the Biden family played them like a fiddle and is now allowing them to get bombed to shit to cover it up.
I think there might be a very interesting UN meeting after the war ends. That the US media will ignore.
Local news, tobecertain.
Salted, if by "today" you mean Oct of 2019, well OK.
It's political bullshit from butt hurt Shokin's team. His firing was US, EU, and World Bank policy specifically because he was doing nothing to curb rampant corruption in Ukraine and these entities were about to loan/give the Ukraine $1 billion. If this were true, do you think Biden would have bragged about his role before a conference of foreign policy experts who knew who Shokin was and how things worked in Ukraine then?
$900k was given to VP Joe Biden by a Burisma representative shortly before Joe threatened to withhold US money if the prosecutor investigating Burisma was not fired.
Joe Biden's son worked for Burisma. And yes, he did brag about getting Shokin fired.
Bullshit Salted. Shokin was not investigating anything which is why it was US, EU, and World Bank policy to get rid of him. That is a fact. Now prove your allegation.
There you go again. Making more false claims.
Eastman seems to conform to the same type as other lawyers, assisting the former President to thwart the 2020 election. Second rate. It does not take much legal smarts to see that allowing the VP anything other than a ceremonial role would be a conflict of interest.
Our token representative resembles this.
Unlike Kevin Clinesmith, John C. Eastman is not a crook.
lol violated federal laws. to the fainting couch!
81 million people did not vote for Brandon.
Yes, and more people voted for Hilary Clinton in 2016 and more people voted for Biden in 2020. The former President is a loser, always has been, always will be.
lolwut?
I love the scientific logic of "Number big! Too big number!"
I love what a stupid, arrogant, blind ideologue you are.
Sure Trump thought it was legal, which is why he used burner or friends' phones during the Capitol riot he instigated. He was told several times by his own people that he lost before he launched his effort to overturn a US election, a first in 250 years. Takes a real loser to try that and bigger ones to believe him coupled with a traitor with no more sense of duty and patriotism then the squirrel who just ran across my yard. You MAGA fuckers are pathetic.
The Russian collusion propaganda campaign was an attempt to overtirn a US election.
Your statement is in no way supported by facts. You democrats are incapable of reason. This conflict should be resolved using more……. direct methods. Once you people RE gone, this country can be fixed.
Meanwhile on Russian state TV:
Host Evgeny Popov says it's time for the Russian people to call on Americans to change "the regime in the U.S." before its term expires "and to again help our partner Trump to become President."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1508943310483767302
And you lapped that up. Just like they figured you would. Goddamn you’re stupid.
Joe Biden wasn't elected.
Trump was trying to stop the coup.
'
He failed.
Surely this is obvious to everyone by now.
Kamala acts like someone waiting for the other shoe to drop
And the people manipulating Biden are doing whatever they can to generate a 'you don't change horses mid-stream' situation so that they don't get thrown in prison when they can't steal the next election
Sullum's terminal case of Trump Derangement Syndrome has gotten even worse during the past year.
Since most readers are well aware of Sullum's daily lies and smears about Trump during his presidency (which was the most libertarian since Cal Coolidge), Reason should assign stories about Trump to another writer/editor.
But since all writers/editors at Reason hate Trump, they'd first have to hire more writers/editors.
Reason has become very unreasonable.
"The preponderance-of-the-evidence standard for applying the crime-fraud exception is much less demanding than the proof beyond a reasonable doubt required for a criminal conviction."
Another difference is that if Trump were charged with a crime he would be entitled to demand a trial by jury.
Of course, hey could always seek to put him on trial in a deep-Blue area, but even so, it wouldn't be enough for them to find Blue jurors, they'd have to find Blue jurors willing to surrender their judgments in favor of pure partisanship, which not all Dems like doing.
You could put him on trial in a red area with Republicans who identify conservative and don't not care for the former President. That number seems to be on the rise.
Over in Nazi Land (CA) a federal judge thinks asking for election integrity be insured is a 'felony'? In the same state that has ZERO checks for magical mail votes..
Yeah; No surprise there.. Nazi's aren't after integrity or honesty or civil... As-if their constant ROBBERY/ENSLAVEMENT pitches didn't give that away. They're a Power-Mad bunch of criminals. So of course the criminals think ensuring integrity is an act of 'felonies'. It's the same story every criminal has... It's all about getting what they want by pointing GUNS at those people and a million and one excuses why they can't *EARN* a d*mn thing for themselves.
Tjj, the judge noted that Trump knew he lost the election - his own people told him that several times - and then tried to overturn it. That's not "asking for election integrity", it's trying to destroy it, and Trump is an enemy of our democracy. There are no "Nazis" here but there is a sorry ass bad loser with a bunch of gullible fools following him, like you.
That’s a good bit of democrat fan fiction you wrote there.
Probably? Why is this a story? A partisan judge that hates Trump says probably!!! Let me know when charges are filed and there is a conviction. So far Trump has been right and vindicated on the things that have had conclusions. Unlike the media, Democrats and liberal judges that all got it wrong. So until that changes I will believe Trump, not Reason.
Prove something.
The committee made their case that Navarro, former president Donald Trump’s trade adviser, and Scavino, a White House communications aide under Trump, have been unco-operative in the congressional probe into the deadly insurrection and, as a result, are in contempt.
“They’re not fooling anybody. They are obligated to comply with our investigation. They have refused to do so. And that’s a crime,” Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson, the committee’s Democratic chairperson, said in his opening remarks.
https://worldabcnews.com/u-s-house-committee-probing-capitol-riot-votes-to-hold-2-former-trump-advisers-in-contempt-of-congress/
Someone should walk up and slap him.
I would have to argue that it is our constitutional right to obstruct the government especially when the government is committing fraud. So if trying obstruct a government action is a crime why aren’t the leftist criminals who periodically storm the capital screaming and ranting at members of Congress considered obstruction. Just because they didn’t succeed at say, preventing a vote on Kavanaugh’s appointment doesn’t mean they didn’t intend to obstruct. No one ever investigates those incidents to find the conspiracy behind them.
I would also mention that the electoral count law is unconstitutional. It was passed by Republicans in the 19th century to legitimize their theft of the 1876 presidential election. It requires that electoral votes certified by governors to be accepted when clearly it is the right of the state legislatures to certify elections.
Funny how I never see Reason publishing any criticism or analysis of the crimes committed by the Obama Administration, the FBI, the State Department and the Department of Justice over five years of spying on the presidential campaign and presidential administration of Donald Trump. All the while fabricating documents and spreading lies through their willing accomplices in the legacy media. Not one word from you frauds about the legal persecution of Trump associates with the goal of getting them to lie about him to save their own skins.
I have lost all respect for Reason over the last quarter of a century with all your phony libertarianism that is nothing but a cover for the fact that Reason is a fully ensconced member of the criminal ruling elite we refer to as the Swamp. Truth is only useful to you clowns if you can use it to shill for China, the Chamber of Commerce and the corporate oligarchy.
This has certainly been a lesson on how stupid people probably shouldn't have access to the internet.
You'd think if you're known to be a stupid person, you should just stick to the mainstream news. It may not be perfect, but it's going to get most of its facts right most of the time.
What kind of Dunning-Kreugered freak would dive into the nearest internet rabbit hole and assume he's found The Truth that has eluded the world's intelligent people? It's just so fucking idiotic.
You’re certainly numb to the truth.