Sidney Powell Disowns Her Kraken, Saying She Is Not Responsible for Her Phony Story of a Stolen Election
The former Trump campaign lawyer, who is fighting sanctions against her, says the claims she made in her Michigan lawsuit "perhaps" were true.

Former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell, who is fighting sanctions against her in Michigan, complains in her appeal that the federal judge who approved them "does everything possible" to make her and her colleagues seem like "overwrought, dangerous lunatics." If you watched the bizarre news conference that Powell and other members of the campaign's "elite strike force team" held a couple of weeks after the 2020 presidential election, or any of her numerous TV interviews regarding the imaginary criminal conspiracy that she said had denied Donald Trump his rightful victory, you know that she does not need any help to look crazy.
Powell came off as a lunatic because she always seemed to sincerely believe the nonsense she was spouting: that Democrats across the country had used fraud-facilitating election software and phony ballots to steal the election for Joe Biden in an elaborate scheme that somehow involved deceased Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez, George Soros, the Clinton Foundation, Dominion Voting Systems, and "the massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba, and likely China." So it is a bit startling to read these words in the brief that Powell and fellow lawyer Howard Kleinhendler filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit this week (emphasis added): "Millions of Americans believe the central contentions of the complaint to be true, and perhaps they are."
Powell and Kleinhendler are referring to the federal lawsuit they filed in Michigan on November 25, 2020, which sought to overturn the presidential election results in that state and included all the basic elements of the fantasy she had been publicly pushing for weeks. Now Powell—who famously and appropriately likened the evidence supporting her conspiracy theory to a mythical beast, saying, "I'm going to release the Kraken"—is conceding that the creature might not exist after all.
This is not the first time that Powell has backtracked from the tall tale she told over and over again after the election. When Dominion sued her and other prominent promoters of that story for defamation last year, seeking $1.3 billion in compensatory and punitive damages, she argued that her allegations against the company were not actionable because "no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact."
Powell said Dominion's complaint proved her point. "Plaintiffs themselves characterize the statements at issue as 'wild accusations' and 'outlandish claims,'" she noted in her March 22 brief seeking dismissal of the company's lawsuit. "They are repeatedly labelled 'inherently improbable' and even 'impossible.' Such characterizations of the allegedly defamatory statements further support Defendants' position that reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process." She thus implied that the "millions of Americans" who bought this story were not "reasonable people," which is fair enough but not what you would expect the Kraken Keeper to say.
Two months later, Powell backtracked from her backtracking. "I don't think [Dominion] realized that some of us litigators were going to catch on and hold their feet to the fire and expose what really happened," she said during the "For God & Country: Patriot Roundup" gathering in Dallas on Memorial Day weekend. She predicted that Dominion's lawsuit would be dismissed because "we meant what we said, and we have the evidence to back it up." If the lawsuit proceeds, she added, "then we will get discovery against Dominion, and we will be on offense."
Now Powell is backtracking from her backtracking of her backtracking. Her preposterous claims may or may not have been true, she says, but the fact that they were widely accepted supports her argument that she should not be punished for making them in federal court.
When U.S. District Judge Linda Parker rejected Powell's Michigan lawsuit on December 7, 2020, she said it was based on "nothing but speculation and conjecture." Last August, Parker took the further step of ordering Powell and eight other attorneys who were involved in the lawsuit to pay the defendants' legal expenses and complete 12 hours of remedial legal education. She also said she was "referring the matter for investigation and possible suspension or disbarment" to the "appropriate disciplinary authority" in each jurisdiction where the nine attorneys practice law.
"It is one thing to take on the charge of vindicating rights associated with an allegedly fraudulent election," Parker wrote. "It is another to take on the charge of deceiving a federal court and the American people into believing that rights were infringed, without regard to whether any laws or rights were in fact violated. This is what happened here."
Powell is asking the 6th Circuit to overturn Parker's order, arguing that the judge misapplied the legal standards for sanctions. Her appeal portrays her as a conscientious lawyer who did her job as well as she could in a short time frame. In this telling, Powell was merely representing clients—Republican electors and party officials—with credible concerns about the way the presidential election was conducted in Michigan.
If it turned out that her clients' claims were not true, Powell says, that is not her fault. Nor should she be blamed for the errors, misconceptions, false statements, wild surmises, and evidence-free insinuations in the affidavits she submitted to support those claims, many of which she lifted from other, similarly unsuccessful lawsuits without even "minimal vetting," as Parker put it.
Given Powell's conspicuous role in concocting and promoting the story of a stolen election, this attempt to dodge responsibility is audacious even for someone who confidently and repeatedly asserted, based on evidence that she was always about to reveal, that Trump actually won a second term. Powell, who told that story publicly every chance she got, is now pretending she was an innocent bystander. Parker "treats every single Appellant exactly the same, despite widely varying levels of involvement," she complains. "No consideration is given to the role played by Appellants' clients and any affiants who may have lied."
Powell also tries to shift blame onto Lin Wood, an erstwhile ally who signed onto the Michigan lawsuit. At a hearing that Parker convened last July, Wood claimed he did not know his name was on the briefs in the lawsuit until he read a newspaper article about the motion for sanctions against him.
"I actually did not know at the time that my name was going to be included," Wood said, "but I certainly told Ms. Powell in discussions that I would help her if she needed me in any of these cases, and in this particular matter apparently I was never needed, so I didn't have anything to do with it." Powell contradicted Wood, saying she never would have used his name without asking him first. Parker concluded that "Wood is not credible," saying "the Court does not believe that Wood was unaware of his inclusion as counsel in this case until a newspaper article alerted him to the sanctions motion filed against him." She noted that Wood had publicly bragged about his participation in the Michigan lawsuit.
In her 6th Circuit brief, Powell notes that Parker "spent page after page excoriating [Wood] and calling [him] a liar"—"and, at least on the District Court's account of his extrajudicial statements, an unrepentant one." She suggests that Wood, who said he did absolutely nothing to assist the lawsuit, is more culpable than Kleinhendler and two other attorneys who "did not sign the complaint" but "were merely listed as 'Of Counsel'" and a fourth attorney who "was not even listed as that on the complaint."
This attempt to throw Wood under the bus says more about the falling out between him and Powell than it does about her own responsibility for what Parker called "a historic and profound abuse of the judicial process." Whatever the merits of Powell's legal arguments regarding sanctions, it is clear by now that she cannot be trusted even to stick with her own phony story. Her Kraken is dying a slow, painful death, but she is unwilling to put it out of its misery or even acknowledge that it was hers to begin with.
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This whole incident was completely confusing to me.
Why would she claim all that she promised and lay a total shit patty?
Why ruin your career if you know you had nothing? Does not add up.
True believer meets the harsh reality of legal consequences.
TDS runs both ways.
Can you offer a citation to support your premise?
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Best. Reply. Ever. Molly, that's just *chef's kiss*.
Because she is a true conspiracy believer. Even lawyers can get hoodwinked by their own nuttery. The brain goes bye-bye and the squirrels in the head take over.
I've seen otherwise normal and intelligent human beings goes full on retard over conspiracies before. It's an malady that afflicts the intelligent as well as the stupid. The intelligent people think they are too intelligent to get hoodwinked, but every conman knows they are the easiest marks. Fooling oneself though, the stupid people don't do that, it's the smart ones who do.
So I'm not claiming Powell is an idiot. I'm saying she's a true believer in a set of falsehoods that she has invested way too much of herself in to ever let go. It's rather sad.
Kinda like Scientologists, or Kennedy-assassination-nuts, or... Trumpists!!!
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My theory is she has suffered some kind of head injury.
Cite? Or are you basing that on the severe brain damage you preciously suffered?
Good point. For example, remember that time when you spent 5 years fully bought into a completely baseless, fabricated story about how Trump was a Russian intelligence asset being blackmailed by Vladimir Putin by way of a video tape of him being peed on by Russian hookers in Moscow, and consequently Russian hacked into US election machines to change votes to Donald Trump in order to rob Hillary Clinton of her fair victory? That was wild.
You are saying all this to Brandybuck? You have the wrong person.
Right that was was Pelosi, Schiff and every other congressional Democrat and CNN.
To you too.
Not my circus. Not my monkeys.
She was hoping to get more evidence during discovery. Since courts never allowed the lawsuits to go forward, she was never able to get more evidence.
That's the way lawsuits are supposed to work. It would be absurd if you could only bring lawsuits if you had incontrovertible proof to begin with.
“Since courts never allowed the lawsuits to go forward”
It might have helped her cause if her filings weren’t full of typos, copy and pasted info that doesn’t even apply to the state she is filing in, anecdotes, and just plain crazy shit.
It was good enough for a FISA court to allow secret spying on the campaign and eventual administration of Donald Trump for years at a time even after the oppo document used to acquire the FISA warrant had been completely debunked.
Time to mute the moron.
You’re asking to be muted?
The information was known by the FBI to be false as soon as it was produced.
Yes, it was a rush job: she was operating on a deadline.
But don't worry, Biden is securely ensconced now, US elections are going to continue making banana republics look good, and smug little idiots like you will keep blaming "Republicans" or "the GOP" or "white supremacy" as the country turns to shit around you. Enjoy.
Not one thing in the comment made sense or has any accuracy as far as my politics. Muting you now, since you are resorting to personal attack.
You'll spare me your inane replies? Great! That's the point of personal attacks: to communicate that you're not welcome.
That's the point of personal attacks: to communicate that you're not welcome.
Then suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood.
That's not an insult, that's just wishful thinking on your part.
It's not my fault that you don't get the reference.
Besides, you only have a right to tell someone that they are "not welcome" on your own property.
Sorry, I'm still not insulted. In fact, quoting an immature teenager from a Rob Reiner movie makes you even more ridiculous.
I have a right to tell you you are not welcome anywhere I want. I simply don't have a right to physically remove you from property I don't own.
He’s afraid. Just like he’s scared of me.
"Why ruin your career if you know you had nothing? Does not add up."
I think there were two problems:
1) They were genuinely confounded by lots of statistical nonsense that was being thrown up all over the place. To this day you can go to places like Gateway Pundit and see many theories still presented as "DNA fingerprints of fraud!!!" that were later convincingly (to me anyways) debunked as mathematical mistakes, or artifacts from reporting systems, etc. I don't begrudge the site for posting these theories as news, but the fact that they still haven't posted corrections is unforgiveable.
2) They were whores, whoring for money. Trump supporters sent millions and millions of dollars to the Stop the Steal campaign, which went to these lawyers and to Trump's 2024 campaign. It's really difficult to be objective when every email you send brings in the big bucks.
Thanks Overt. That makes a lot of sense.
Best explanation I’ve heard on the topic….
Had Trump pulled off his coup, she would have been generously rewarded for her fraud.
The election was stolen, IMO - does anyone seriously believe that Biden, who hid in his basement for most of the campaign, got 10 million more votes than Obama? I know people say “what proof do you have”? However, that is not the correct standard, which is 1) can you prove that the person voting is who they say they are via a government-issued picture ID 2)can you prove that the vote was not cast under physical or mental duress and 3)can you prove that after the vote was cast it was handled only by registered poll workers and securely maintained. If you cannot prove that both of these are true, then the vote should be thrown out. Failure to maintain a trustworthy voting system, regardless of who wins, reeks of banana republic-style politics. Even though I did not vote for Obama, I believe he legitimately won - not so for Biden.
The election was stolen, IMO - does anyone seriously believe that Biden, who hid in his basement for most of the campaign, got 10 million more votes than Obama? I know people say “what proof do you have”? However, that is not the correct standard...
Yes it is. You are a) alleging that crimes were committed, so that demands a high standard of proof, and b) that, somehow, the vote totals for President were way off despite there being no claims of significant fraud in any Congressional races or for state legislatures or governors that were all on the same ballots.
It is that latter point that is the dead giveaway. Republicans have been whining about fraud for years, trying to add more hoops for voters to jump through in order to vote. But they get really bent out of shape about it when they lose. When they win, they will argue for stricter controls to be sure that elections stay secure.* There was only significant fraud tainting the election when they lose.
*Gov. Ron DeSantis and other Florida Republicans congratulated themselves for a running a clean election (since Trump carried Florida and the GOP did reasonably well in state races despite the swing-state nature of FL, as usual). Yet they still insisted on passing new restrictions on various voting procedures, without any evidence that there was any fraud to fix with those changes. Never mind that 4 people were arrested for voter fraud in central Florida. Of course, they lived in The Villages, a huge retirement development that is heavily Republican and that is a standard stop on any Republican's tour when running for anything important in the state. 3 of the 4 were registered Republicans and the other had social media posts supporting Trump.
Bottom line: Your claims that there was significant fraud are without support. Your claims that this unproven fraud would inevitably favor Biden is also unsupported. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
the vote totals for President were way off despite there being no claims of significant fraud in any Congressional races or for state legislatures or governors that were all on the same ballots.
Perhaps it was all of those 'ballots' with just the presidential election marked off for Biden. You know, the 'mail-in' ones counted at 4am in all of the swing states. Proof you ask? Funny, those ballots were inadvertently disposed of but hey, look, here is the tally of those ballot counts. Let's count em again!
Fortified...
If undervoting was something unusual, then it might be worth looking into. But it isn't. It is routine for there to be millions more votes for President than for House members, for instance. (2016 had about 5 million more votes for President than there were votes in House races, and that difference has been as high as around 10 million since 2000.) That doesn't necessarily mean that many were votes only for President, but it shows that millions of voters will care more about the presidential race than others down the ballot.
People can show up to vote only for dog catcher if they want to. Why would you think it suspicious for people to feel like they only know enough or care enough to vote for President? I would suspect that many voters don't even know who those other candidates really are, other than what letter comes after their name.
And as for mail-in ballots being counted at "4am", this is always the way it is done, as well. Around 25% of the votes cast in 2016 were mail-in ballots. Why was mail-in voting only subject to fraud in 2020? I'll answer for you - because Trump said it would be in 2020. He didn't claim that there were 3 million illegals casting fraudulent mail-in ballots in 2016 to explain why Hillary got almost that many more votes than him.
Basically, Republicans as well as Democrats in state legislatures had been easing absentee/mail voting rules for decades. It wasn't until Trump started talking about it as a response to COVID concerns that anyone on the right had anything negative to say about it. There was no evidence that voting by mail was an advantage for either side until Trump made it one.
This is just more looking for an excuse to disbelieve results you don't like.
No, as I stated, I believe Obama won both of his campaigns and accepted the results, even though I did not vote for him. Myself and at least 50 million other citizens do not, and will not, believe that Biden won by legal means and is, therefore, an illegitimate President. We have descended into laughable banana republic-style politics. All Biden needs to complete our new reality is a fancy military uniform weighted down with scores of fake medals.
If undervoting was something unusual,
It's not the undervoting.
It's the dump of undervotes that swing the state at 4:00 in the morning in numerous states.
And it happened in far more states than anyone realizes--because those weren't states they could swing.
Yes it is. You are a) alleging that crimes were committed,
Not 'alleging'. Agreeing with the leftists who bragged about how they cheated in the 2020 election.
How they made it impossible to verify ballots. Impossible to verify identities.
Sorry babe, you lost all credibility and even worse are so bad that you look like a planted mole. You may or may not be but you certainly present as one.
Because the first 60 articles sullum did on the election weren't enough.
Hey sullum, wouldn't a sane and neutral person who believed in the truth at least do one article on courts who found changes to 2020 elections to be illegal?
Sullum's the kind of dummy who thinks that regulating Google is the worst thing that could ever happen to individual liberty.
Sullum didn't mention Google. Can you provide any evidence for your statement?
Note that Corporatist Remover never suggested, implied, or stated that Sullum mentioned Google in this article, only that he's "the type of dummy who believes..."
Nevertheless, just because it's so much fun sticking the metaphorical rifle of truth up your proverbial rectum and blowing more of your own shit out of your mouth than you do on an average day:
Those are all reasoned, principled positions. Irrespective of your attitude toward Alphabet/Google, YouTube is not constrained by the 1st amendment as a government actor would be, the "right" to be forgotten is antithetical to free speech, and the Texas social media law is laughably unconstitutional. All of that remains true unless your dominant guiding principle is "F*CK Google!"
Offer still stands if you wanna write the article for my 'Stack.
Powell came off as a lunatic because she always seemed to sincerely believe the nonsense she was spouting
A typical Trump cultist then.
Suck that old limp Biden cock. Suck it hard you gimp.
He’s too busy raping young boys.
Tell us again how Trump was a Russian intelligence asset who got peed on by hookers in Moscow, kiddie fucker.
The story was never that he paid sex workers to pee on him. He wanted them to pee on the bed that Obama slept in at that hotel.
is Strazele going to run into Mike's hardon first, or vice versa?
The election WAS stolen, but Sidney Powell is a retarded he-she. That land whale is the kind of right-wing crank who bashes neocons but supports nuking Mecca and glorifying Israel.
Talk to folks like Robert Barnes and Richard Baris. Only an idiot thinks that those 4:00 AM ballot dumps were innocent.
My theory is that Powell was paid off to make an absurd charge for which she had no proof. I can't figure out why should would do this otherwise.
It's called planting the seed. As the idiots in society can't handle truth all at once. It needs to be dripped so as to slowly over come thier cognitive dissonance. Which is one of the more troubling and harmful human reactions to r real problems in the world.
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They can't handle the truth all at once, so she fed them obviously, laughably false (sanctionable!) nonsense so they'd be prepared to receive the truth? Did that make sense to you before you wrote it?
So, if the election was stolen, willing to nullify all non-Presidential candidates who were elected based on the same fraudulent ballots, including any Republicans who were elected? Funny nobody ever wants to talk about their stealing their elections.
Always interesting that Democrats stole the Presidential election but left the lower offices for the Republicans.
Nevermind the fact that tens of thousands of Biden ballots had no votes cast for any downballot offices. Or that Republicans lost seats in both houses. Goddamn you two are fucking stupid.
There were also many ballots with all Republicans votes except Trump. The fact is as many Republicans have reported, Trump underperformed compared to the rest of the party.
Also you are wrong about the election results. Republicans had a net gain in the House of 12 seats. Republican lost control of the Senate in run-off because the lame duck President scared off voters.
Right before the Georgia recall election, his dream team of Sidney Powell, Lin Wood, etc. did their best to undermine Georgia Republican voters’ confidence their votes would be counted honestly. Just plain dumb thing to do.
Do you have a cite?
It was literally in all the news.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/lin-wood-sidney-powell-discourage-voting-georgia-official-responds/85-f23104c2-c97f-4169-9f59-80ae02d31f18
That's what you expect to happen when you have to quickly fake thousands of presidential ballots, as some of the election workers are alleged to have done.
What election workers are you specifically alleging did this? Or is this just a throw-away line?
It's not a throwaway line. Nor am I personally alleging anything. But the last minute creation of thousands of ballots in a few key areas by a small number of election workers is one plausible hypothesis to account for the statistical anomalies during election night. The vote counting procedures that we have seen on surveillance video allow for this and they are worthy of banana republics.
Mind you, I'm not trying to litigate this. Whether 70 million or 90 million Americans voted for Biden, that's too many either way. A nation with that many morons deserves to get what it wants, good and hard.
Read your comment again, because I think you alleging something but are unwilling to back up the allegation.
Anyone willing to jump in here for a quick poll?
Is NOYB2 making an allegation in the comment, yes or no?
Funny. You take anyone’s word with flimsy to zero evidence for years about TrumpRussia, but want specific names and absolute proof when obvious election fraud is alleged.
You’re a democrat shill. Period.
I'm repeating an allegation: "as some of the election workers are alleged to have done".
And the allegation cannot be backed up in principle because of the election procedures at those sites. That is the real problem with US elections: they can't be realistically auditable.
NPYB: Biden out performed Hillary in GOP majorit vote suburbs and small towns across Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Georgia and under performed her in Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Atlanta. Look it up.
Care to explain how the Dems rigged the elections in these states by not getting more votes in the big cities where they control local government and then getting them in places where they don'T?
This should be good!
You are putting up a straw man of some gigantic conspiracy led by the Democrats. To the degree that there was election fraud, it was almost certainly localized and sporadic. The way the WTA system works in the US, only a handful of election workers in a few key offices could have flipped the election.
In any case, I personally don't give a f*ck about whether Biden came to power through a miniscule amount of election fraud. The fact is that about 80 million Americans voted for him and his administrations, and Americans deserve to suffer the consequences, good and hard. I hope you enjoy the destruction of the US economy, civil liberties, race relations, and the social fabric. I'm just experiencing schadenfreude from the sidelines.
Bwahahaha! "destruction of the US economy, civil liberties, race relations, and the social fabric...." I seriously don't know how you cuckold morons can serious play that card after the fucking embarrassment of the Trump presidency. Keep stroking your pole, Buddy!
The "fucking embarrassment of the Trump presidency" is just another symptom of what I'm talking about, along with the "fucking embarrassment of the Obama presidency", the "fucking embarrassment of the Biden presidency", and the "fucking embarrassment of the Bush presidency".
The fucking embarrassment of your idiotic partisanship while the country is falling apart around you is yet another example.
I used to be a Democrat, and I stopped voting in 2016. The real "fucking embarrassment" is the American voter: people like you. And you deserve to get what you keep voting for, good and hard.
You're an idiot. Getting rid of Trump was their top priority. They didn't care about the House.
That actually makes it more plausible that there was fraud.
Republicans don't cheat. While Democrats do nothing but cheat. Why is that so hard for u to understand?
The Phucko Knows
"Republicans don't cheat"
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-house-committee-subpoenas-fake-trump-electors-in-7-states-/6417807.html
I think we're fucking done here...
Sure!
You sound like those 9/11 troofers complaining about all the fake 9/11 troofers giving the movement a bad name.
You sound like one of those retards who spent 5 years proclaiming that Trump was going to be arrested for colluding with Russia to hack US election machines and changes votes from Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump in order to steal the election because Putin was blackmailing Trump with a video tape of Trump getting peed on by Russian hookers in a Moscow hotel, and then kept believing that even after the Mueller report debunked every bit of it and resulted in a highly placed FBI official being sent to prison for falsifying a FISA warrant.
What about the fact that your a pussy
"Powell came off as a lunatic because she always seemed to sincerely believe the nonsense she was spouting: that Democrats across the country had used fraud-facilitating election software and phony ballots to steal the election for Joe Biden in an elaborate scheme that somehow involved deceased Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez, George Soros, the Clinton Foundation, Dominion Voting Systems, and "the massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba, and likely China."
----Jacob Sullum
This conspiracy theories don't seem so crazy when you compare them to the truth.
Don't think so?
Okay, here's the truth.
The truth is that the National Institute of Health, through the NIAID, funded extremely dangerous research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, while the NIAID was under the direction of Dr. Fauci. THe truth is that this lab had both ties to the Chinese military and had a terrible safety record. While it hasn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, the truth is that the research the NIAID funded at the Wuhan Institute of Virology may have been the ultimate source of the pandemic.
The truth is that this information was suppressed in the mainstream media and on social media because the person who was in charge of financing that research in Wuhan, through the EcoHealth Alliance, was put in charge of investigating the source of the pandemic. This investigation concluded that the pandemic couldn't possibly have originated from a lab, and that was the position taken by the CDC.
The truth is that the pandemic absolutely might have been created in a lab, and there are plenty of good reasons for people and scientists to believe it probably was created in a lab. The false story at the CDC was used to censor news stories and social media posts that contradicted the conclusion that the pandemic wasn't created in a lab--right up until after Joe Biden was elected, at which point it became alright to talk about it in the news media and on social media again.
That's the truth, and it reads as crazy or crazier to me than the conspiracy theory Sullum laid out above.
P.S.
Have you heard the conspiracy theory about how Saddam Hussein never sourced yellowcake from Niger? Have you heard the conspiracy theory about how the photos Colin Powell held up to the cameras showing Hussein's mobile WMD labs were bogus?
I once heard a conspiracy theory about how Al Gore was channeling illegal donations for the Clinton campaign through a weirdo cult. I once heard that one of the Clintons' real estate projects was financed by defrauding the RTC. I once heard that the NSA was sifting through all our phone calls and our email!
Excuse me if I don't dismiss the veracity of the next conspiracy theory simply on the basis of it sounding crazy. She didn't have the evidence to back up her story--why isn't that a good enough reason not to believe it? Why pretend that something can't be essentially true--because it's seems hard to believe something like that could happen?
Fallabilism is the basis of legitimate science, and it holds that the hypotheses that are most likely to be true are not the ones that are the most plausible. They're the ones that survive the most and best scrutiny. If her claims couldn't survive scrutiny, that's the only good reason to reject them. The sun rising in the east and setting in the west every day of recorded history might make you think heliocentric theory sounded nutty, but you'd be wrong.
So one unproven conspiracy theory tickles your fancy, thus all conspiracy theories you like are prolly true.
Nah, he's stopping short of saying that, and just saying Powell doesn't sound that crazy.
I don't understand why anyone, at this point, would want to attempt to make a case for Powell's sanity, but I guess Ken enjoys a pointless challenge.
Speaking of people who believe completely wild and crazy theories: Mike thinks that if "Partisan morons" in the US would have been vaccinated, the Delta Variant (which originated in India) and Omicron variant (which originated in South Africa) would never have occurred. I'm sure one day he'll explain how an unvaxxed person generates variants on the other side of the world (quantum entanglement?)
https://reason.com/2022/02/02/can-the-medical-innovations-used-to-fight-covid-19-finally-defeat-hiv/?comments=true#comment-9336737
No, as Mike is a stupid, cowardly cunt. And too much of a little bitch to do anything but hide from me.
Whatever
The smartest thing u ever uttered.
The Phucko Knows
Umm, Sullum was talking about elections.
"The left really isn't that totalitarian, well maybe they are but it's a good thing, and the democrats really aren't completely tanking... hey, look over here! But TrUuUuUmMmP!"
-Reason.com
There's a massive, international protest movement going on against totalitarian vaccine mandates. The PM of Canada went on TV today and threatened the truckers with arrest, losing their licenses, losing their livelihoods. He blamed Americans for the protest. The Canadian government strong-armed GoFundMe into deleting the fundraiser for the truckers. The Ottowa police chief has floated- at least once- using the Canadian military to disperse them. POTUS has "working with" Trudeau to use "federal power" to end the protest. The twitterverse is encouraging violence and property destruction, as well as military force, against the protestors.
But Sidney Powell is what's really important here.
There are enough electrons to accommodate both stories.
If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't want people talking about Sidney Powell either.
You could never afford my shoes, you commie piece of shit.
Hey now, you think his special size 12 EEEEEE orthotic shoes and diabetic compression socks come cheap? The Canadian taxpayers put out good money to make sure cytotoxic can stay fat and stupid.
He’s just a fat, leftist, cheerleader for pedophilia. Lest we all forget when he was advocating for child rapists from foreign countries to come to the US.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1492227328386154509?t=0ry36epPRoB02UmYVVMYeQ&s=19
The duty of a leader is to serve their people, not for the people to serve them
https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1492215453841649666?t=uNJt0gCjF3G6DDptRmLbbw&s=19
NEW: Justin Trudeau is speaking live, and laying the blame for these blockades at the feet of US citizens. He says that the blockades are filled with Americans, Americans are funding them, and "everything is on the table" to end it.
Remember when the left lost their shit at the mere suggestion by Tom Cotton (in an OpEd) that the government ought to send the National Guard into Portland?
https://twitter.com/mchooyah/status/1491934972424470567?t=7QOZb-0xT6eVMG8O4WCcHA&s=19
U.S. Lawmakers traded $355 million in stocks last year. They out-performed the S&P. Both sides of the isle. Put your mask on…
You still calling for the mass extermination of liberals, or are you more sober than you were yesterday?
Traitors exterminated for being treasonous??? Heaven forbid anyone even bring up such an idea.... They must be welcomed with open arms for their criminal mentality. /s
So stop bitching about what we're doing to Jan. 6 participants.
Charging them with misdemeanor trespass? Technically, every AIDS-infected cock that's been in your ass since you were 12 is a felony in your state, Oklahomo. Keep your cocksucker shut. Fag drags are still a thing.
I thought he lived in the Castro district of SF, like all the other far left homos. They must really hate him in OK. Although I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t dare run his mouth out in public like he does here.
How old are you people?
Why would I need to go anywhere else for titillation when I have your guys' seemingly never-ending output of gay erotic literature?
Oh those Jan. 6 participants trying to ENFORCE the law of the land that got "vetoed" by executive Power-Mad traitors??? You still have the same problem Tony; You think the USA is a Nazi-Regime.
Part of Powell's claims is that she was merely doing what the clients requested. This brings up the question of the limits that a lawyer can go to in serving their client. It is certainly true that lawyers are asked to defend clients that are pretty obviously guilty or wrong in their complaints. But there appear to be limits to what a lawyer can be expected to do to serve the clients wishes. I do think that Ms. Powell exceeded those limits by espousing conspiracies' she was not willing to defend in court.
As Trump Election Litigation: Elite Strike Force and its clients turn against each other in an effort to avoid civil liability, professional discipline, and perhaps criminal charges, it seems likely that attorney-client privilege will be forfeited (if not flouted), which should provide fine entertainment (for those of us not facing disbarment, financial sanctions, and bankruptcy).
The messages exchanged by these losers should be hilarious.
Yawn.
Disaffected clingers tend to be old and sleepy.
Your torment in modern America will end soon, when you are replaced by a better American in our society and electorate.
Until then, get some sleep, and continue to comply with the preferences of your betters.
I'm fairly certain we can source better Americans overseas for cheaper, lol. The "Great Replacement" is just a fantasy, but I can dream.
I don't understand what you are saying. Powell made public statements and she made court filings. Her public statements may or may not have been unreasonable, but they have nothing to do with the legal representation of her client. All that is required there is that she is truthful. She isn't required to have anything more than an initial suspicion to go to a court of law.
So: what "limits" specifically do you think Powell "exceeded"?
What I am saying is that much of what Trump's lawyer said about the election was for public consumption and not really for court. Sidney Powell admitted this by suggesting that no one would believe what he said was true. She tried to tell the public there was fraud but was unwilling to do so in court. If she were not a lawyer this might be acceptable, even if unethical. That she is a lawyer makes this unacceptable.
Sidney Powell has still never served Donald Trump as a client, shreek, you retarded kiddie fucker.
Also you may want to tread lightly since the weasel-faced faggot in Wisconsin who tried to lynch the little boy that ventilated your kiddie-fucker buddy Joe Rosenbaum lied so many times in court he actually got a judge to dress him down in front a fucking jury. No mean feat since the prosecutor, judge, and cops are all on the same side. You had better be ready to lose a major percentage of your kiddie-fucker buddies in the legal profession if you think what Sidney Powell did was unethical, unacceptable or illegal.
I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean. I mean, lots of people believed that there was fraud. She made public statements to that effect. Obviously, she lacked the evidence to prove that. That's not unusual, that's what discovery is for. Unfortunately, the courts didn't let any of the lawsuits go forward, so there was no discovery and instead we got a bunch of meaningless self-audits.
I still don't see what specifically you think was "unacceptable". Are you saying lawyers shouldn't publicly state that their client suffered some injury until after a court goes forward with discovery? Do you think that lawyers should gather incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing before going to court? What exactly is it you are saying?
Not "incontrovertible" evidence, just evidence. No, those affidavits, whose affiants' identities' she tried to obscure from the court, were not evidence. That's why part of the sanction requires remedial CLE, specifically regarding the rules of evidence.
CLE in this context refers to continuing legal education.
US law schools are overwhelmingly progressive and Democratic; they teach critical legal theory and believe in the living constitution.
I mean, we have people like Sotomayor and Tribe occupying supposedly respected legal positions, and you seriously want people to take US law schools, their education, or their graduates seriously?
You're entitled to your opinion on what is and isn't "evidence".
Now, what would the harm have been if the courts had allowed discovery to go forward?
You and I can disagree about what constitutes evidence. You know who cannot? The courts because they are constrained by the law. You know who's required to know about rules of evidence when they prepare to sue? Attorneys.
You're a dilettante with absolutely no interest in learning anything about this case or the world, no capacity to engage with the material except to gutterally mimic, onomatopoeically, some "argument" you've heard bandied about by one of the excrebable cretins you felate.
You must be joking.
Indeed, I don't give a damn about this case; it is you who obsesses about it, as if Powell's failure to cobble together a decent court case actually somehow proved that the election was legitimate.
I've made my position clear: US election procedures have been a ridiculous mess for decades. If courts are unable to fix this, that is an indictment of the US legal system.
Funny, as a gay, non-partisan immigrant who hasn't voted in nearly a decade, that description doesn't match me. But it certainly matches you perfectly.
That kind of attempt at a homophobic insult is what I have come to expect from progressives and people with TDS. It's one of the reasons I left the Democratic party.
FWIW, I'm strictly monogamous: the only person I fellate is my boyfriend. Does that satisfy your prurient interests in gay sex?
Sidney Powell has never served Donald Trump as a client, shreek, you retarded kiddie fucker.
The courts NEVER allowed her to get that far. Can't belive so many losers out there r unable to smell the horse shit covering the past presidential election. The poles LEGALLY close with Trump ABSOLUTELY kicking ass. Then..., under a blanket of darkness...., everything changed. Not a single state went thru the proper channels to extend the vote counting PAST the legal time limit. That Biden got the most votes for POTUS in history..., is either a complete joke. Or Americans r truly the dumbest humans on planet earth. Please explain WHY u voted for Biden?
The Phucko Knows
Do yourself a favor and read the filings. They're public. If you knew what was in them, I suspect you'd stop defending them.
And the Witch-Hunting continues and the Media plays along.....
My only surprise is why is Reason 'following' the fallacy media's mainstream narrative?
If anyone cared to pay attention; Obama's administration did exactly the same thing. Went out and witch-hunted all their opponents. The lefts new gig is witch-hunting any opposition.
From the Jan 6 (witch-hunt titled insurrection), to the Russia-Trump (witch-hunt trials), to the Powel (witch-hunt trials) they're ALL non-evidence based BOGUS charges that exist only for those who oppose the lefts Nazi-Regime.
Sidney Powell seems destined to be disbarred, ostracized, unemployable, and bankrupt.
Is this a great country, or what?
It IS a great nation, still, until the Trumpists take over!
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child? (Addressed to R-party advocates of Trumpist DicktatorShit)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/trumps-lawyers-kraken/619915/ Trump lawyers face the heat!
Hold their feet to the fire, dammit!
The US hasn't been a "great nation" for a few decades.
Greedy, stupid, ignorant partisans like you have destroyed it.
The good thing is: you'll suffer the consequences. Good and hard.
Hey sarcasmic, wouldn't it be funny if your daughter, after years of having you fuck her against her will, became a promiscuous whore, acquired AIDS, and then you picked it up from her the next time you raped her? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That would be funny as fuck.
Hey now! Not cool! You know full well he doesn’t really have a daughter. Or a wife. I doubt a hooker would fuck him, even if he could afford that. He’s just a a hobo that lives in a piss soaked alley. Probably uses a computer at the library to post here and watch tranny porn.
Hey sarcasmic, tell us more about how Mueller is going to send Trump to prison! Maybe you could see if Tommy Binger is available to conduct the prosecution. He's probably got a lot of free time on his hands these days after he got buttfucked by a chubby cheeked 17 year old kid on national television. Then again, you might want to watch your back and keep your pathetic cocksucker shut. If a 17 year old little boy was able to ventilate 3 of your child-fucking black bloc militia, just imagine what a grown man might do to you if you if you ever dragged your boomer lardass out of your section 8 apartment. Something to think about...
Most people think of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union when lawyers get disbarred for challenging election results.
Of course, you do too: that's why you like the idea.
Or.... One of the all time American heros. Time.... Will tell.
The Phucko Knows
What's that? It's TIME!
She's not a hero, she's a clown.
Glad I could clear this up.
"BREAKING: Injunction will be granted.
Justice: Satisfied that the case has been made out for an injunction, which is granted.
It will take effect at 7pm this evening. This gives individuals the opportunity and the time to clear the area."
https://twitter.com/KatGeorgieva/status/1492250905835716613?s=20&t=3lzByAHMlhfbIY5hDFtfhw
In a world where the loudest narrative wins, I expect crazy to be spouted frequently.
"Just a tool of the white man" isn't the only reason people can come up with for dismissing reality.
Premier of Ottowa goes snowmobiling during TRUCKER INSURRECTION.
https://twitter.com/goldsbie/status/1492173453755322372?s=20&t=3lzByAHMlhfbIY5hDFtfhw
If the Kraken hailed from American waters instead of having been hatched in Norway, it would be the ideal candidate to run against Trump on the Second Amendment ticket as it's been keeping and bearing ten arms for longer than anyonde can remember.
If the Kraken becomes a naturalized citizen, it can run for a House seat and take over for Nancy Pelosi.
Maybe it could get poly-married to Ilhan Omar and her brother. It wouldn't even be the ugliest or dumbest member of their inbred family.
I think the point is that an actual kraken could replace all of government, at least until being petrified by that commie Persius.
Sidney Powell’s defense of her stone-cold sober, oft-repeated and utterly slanderous declarations regarding Dominion was that "no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact."
Doing herself further disservice this week, Lawyer Powell (evidence that Cracker Jack prizes include law degrees?) somehow imagines that “Millions of Americans” belief in a conspiracy theory makes for a valid legal defense. Millions of Americans believe in the Easter Bunny too, but I sure wouldn’t trot that out in court to bolster my case.
Powell, like Giuliani and a host of celebrity Trump-cultists, has been peddling the former president’s nonsensical claims to gullible Americans in hopes *just* enough are actually stupid enough to follow through with the ongoing insurrection. I hope they’re wrong.
Yeah, I mean why should anybody doubt the integrity and correctness of a closed source voting system with no meaningful auditing, Internet access, and the ability to change votes; a system created by company whose officers have publicly said that they won't let Trump win. No serious person should ever question voting carried out in such a way!
It is gullible, stupid, ignorant, privileged Americans like you that have given us decades of Bush-Obama-Trump-Biden, of currency debasement, of endless wars, of drone killing of civilians, of government surveillance of Americans, of a takeover of the banking and credit sector. And it is gullible, stupid, ignorant, privileged Americans like you who think this is about Trump vs. Biden.
And you get what you deserve: a failing economy, a failing society, and becoming the laughing stock of the world.
“a system created by company whose officers have publicly said that they won't let Trump win”
Cite?
Look up Eric Coomer, a potty mouthed anti-Trump bigot. You can read his deposition, a NYT article about him, and Joe Oltmann's report about an ANTIFA conference call Coomer participated in.
Note that "not letting Trump win" may well have referred to activism rather than voting machine fraud; we don't know. What we do know is that Dominion had high level employees that were highly partisan and highly unprofessional, and that certainly raises questions about the integrity of the company.
You mentioned Dr. Coomer. I know Dr. Eric Coomer. Dr. Eric Coomer is a friend of mine. You, sir, are no Dr. Eric Coomer.
I'm glad you brought it up, because, while unrelated to the sanction in question, Sidney's mockingbird-like repetition of Joe Oltman's (again, obvious) lie is a sufficiently egregious infraction in itself to require her disbarment.
And your evidence that Oltman's statement is a "lie" is where exactly? What Oltman alleges is consistent with Coomer's social media history and his deposition.
And how does repeating someone else's statement call for disbarment? Oltman's statement is a matter of fact, and Powell is repeating that fact.
You know what else is a fact? That you and the left is behaving more and more like Soviet-era totalitarians, wanting to destroy people's professional and personal lives of political views or because they are inconvenient for the regime.
With regard to evidence: burden of proof lies with the one making the claim.
In Oltman's case the facts: 1) No antifa conference calls. It's not something they do.
2) Why'd sleepy Joe Oltman sleep on the story for 6 weeks? Seems like that would be important to share ahead of time.
3) Luckily he recorded it, so he can fully prove up his claim. Sharing that will clear all this up.
4) Sleepy dementia Joe refuses to provide to *the court* any evidence that such a call ever took place, because it will put his imaginary friend in danger from the bloodthirsty antifa death squads.
You don't say! And the way that happens is that Oltman gets deposed under oath. I'm saying that's what should have happened. You are opposing it.
"wanting to destroy people's professional and personal lives of political views or because they are inconvenient for the regime."
Did you live through the last five years or were you literally born yesterday?
I did live through the last five years, that's why I'm saying this: the Democrats and progressives have spent the last five years destroying anybody who wasn't politically on their side.
Finally, why are you lying about having read the filings? Anyone who's read them will know you're lying because they're INDEFENSIBLE! Your unwillingness to do even the most cursory inquiry into the case should disqualify you from the conversation. You're flooding the zone with shit because of your contempt for the rule of law and for civil process.
You know who else has contempt for the process? Treasonous Joe, whose persistent defiance of discovery* will earn him a default judgment like Alex Jones' 2 Sandy Hook cases.
*Was it you who was on here talking about the importance of discovery? LARPing as someone legally conversant? Like a toddler repeating words you've barely heard and cannot understand?
I'm not defending Powell's filings, I just said I read them. They were obviously shoddy and incomplete. What does that have to do with anything?
The 2020 election should have been scrutinized by the courts in detail. Obviously, Powell wasn't up to the job to make that happen. The real indictment is that both the legal system and the various legislatures have allowed the US to have election procedures that are unworthy of a third rate banana republic for decades. This is nothing new with Trump. It's just that partisan bigots flip-flop every election on whether it was "the most secure election ever" or "fraudulent" depending on whether their candidate won or not.
I'm not "LARPing" as anybody. I'm an immigrant and a voter. I have never pretended to be a lawyer. Your view seems to be that ordinary voters should just shut the fuck up and let lawyers make these decisions, and that if a bunch of judges make a decision, voters should accept that as if that decision was handed down by God.
I grew up in an authoritarian, socialist state. I used to worry about the US turning into that, but at this point, I think you people deserve it: it's the just reward for your bigotry, ignorance, and greed.
I grew up in an authoritarian, socialist state.
No you fucking didn't.
Denial is the last refuge of confused, privileged, ignorant American leftists and progressives like you when confronted by people who actually have first hand experience with the reality of the ideologies you espouse.
And let's be clear here: there is no reason to use voting software in the first place; plenty of democracies manage to do voting with manual tallies, manual record keeping, and phone calls.
Furthermore, if you are going to use voting software, that software should be open source, public, and publicly auditable. The very fact that the voting software that's used in the US is not any of those things is a fundamental flaw, and the result of lobbying and influence peddling. And it is the reason why people cannot trust the results of elections.
This is not a new thing with Trump either: the US has been using crappy, unreliable, expensive "high tech" voting systems for decades. Just look at the 2000 election.
(a) Trump's psychology is that he can't admit to being a loser, ever. He'll tell you himself.
(b) Trump's ludicrous and disastrous election conspiracy theories are 100% about (a), and that's obvious to anyone with half an eye and/or ear.
(c) But it's not actually about Trump, and presumably that's why you're arguing with his lawyer about her defense of him.
And Stacy Abrams is still the governor of Georgia, and Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election because Vladimir Putin hacked American voting machines.
I can't wait until you die of AIDS. You've gotta be in your mid 50s by now, it should be any time.
I don't need to be lectured about health by people who have made poor hygiene a political crusade and who regularly make meals of varmints they find in ditches.
So what are you going to do about the new HIV Delta variant? You going to forego sodomy for public health purposes?
Some of those varmints are really tasty, and just packed with nutrients.
If an actual insurrection ever does take place, you'll be the terrified pussy bitch clinging to his bedsheets and begging a cherubic chubby cheeked 17 year old not to evacuate the air out of the space in your skull where a brain should be. Be real, real, real careful what you wish for.
Btw, tell us more about how Trump is going to prison for colluding with Vladimir Putin to hack American election machines and change all the votes from Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump. #itsmuellertime #thewallsareclosingin
Sit tight dude. Soon the world will prove what a dipshit u r.
The Phucko Knows
Well, yes, that's how lawsuits work: you have a suspicion and preliminary evidence, and they you go into discovery and collect more evidence with the power of the court to back you up.
Powell reasonably believed that statistical discrepancies, video recordings, and failure of chain-of-custody were enough to get a lawsuit started.
But courts didn't want to touch this issue because if there had been any evidence of election fraud that changed the outcome of the election, the political consequences would have been utter chaos. So they never let the lawsuits proceed.
Apparently, Sullum thinks that people bringing lawsuits against the government should apparently suffer severe consequences and ostracism when courts reject their initial suspicion.
Under the rule of law, those lawsuits would have gone forward even if the initial evidence was weak (which it was), so that people could have gotten some clarity on what's going on with elections. If they hadn't turned up anything more, nothing would have been lost.
But instead of investigations by multiple courts, we got the executive branch investigating itself and concluding "nothing to see here". And Sullum is happy.
Have you ever looked at her court filings?
Yes. What's your point?
He was hoping that you hadn't, just like he hasn't, so he could copy and paste something idiotic from his ActBlue PDF and get away with it.
NOYB, that mealy mouthed explanation somehow does not fit a promised "Kraken", unless "Kraken" means "I think I detected an anomalous data irregularity, but I'm not sure."
Want to try again? I'd start with "Con artist makes easy sale of bullshit to cult followers but didn't get out of town fast enough."
I have no idea what a "Kraken" is supposed to be. I don't particularly like Powell and I didn't vote for Trump (or anybody else).
What I do know is that US elections are laughably insecure and likely corrupt. This isn't a new thing. Even the dumbest Americans, people like you, should have recognized that starting in 2000.
Care to explain what exactly you are alleging? How did Powell benefit from a bunch of failed lawsuits?
I used to feel bad about what's happening to the US, but people like you make me feel OK with it: you deserve nothing better, you asked for it.
Everyone who - like Powell - chose to liberally apply the fetid stench of the Fat Grifter's fecal matter to their lips and thighs will eventually lose. Because the Fat Grifter is the ultimate loser.
Well, it's admittedly difficult when you're facing the "most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics".
Also, it's good to see your coprophagia fetish follows you from one sock to another, sarcasmic, but considering your candidate has literally soiled himself on national television, you might want to rethink the references.
The fetish is not mine; I merely observe the behavior of those in the cult of the Fat Grifter. Even if Biden (not my candidate) were to spontaneously combust on national television, your cult leader would be no less odious. If Trump faced "the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics," how did he win the first time? And why can't he and his acolytes present any compelling evidence in a court of law that shows any of this supposedly massive fraud?
Not being in your cult, I don't know what "sarcasmic" means. A portmanteau of sarcastic and orgasmic? You MAGA types have the strangest secret language.
Michel,
He's accusing you of being a sock puppet for a guy that goes by "sarcasmic" when he posts around here. It's a common theme. There couldn't be that many people that don't believe in Trump commenting at Reason, so every anti-Trump post must be the same few people that create sock puppet accounts to make them seem more numerous. See, it's all part of the same conspiracy against their god.
Well, it's admittedly difficult when you're facing the "most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics".
As if Biden's long history of gaffes and mistakes with words was even half as bad as the word salad Trump typically spews. Anyone that bothers to see where that quote comes from would know that he was talking about getting ready to legally counter the accusations of fraud that Trump was sure to make, since he had been claiming that only fraud could cause him to lose for several months.
If Powell, Rudy, Lin Wood, and anyone else actually had any evidence, then it would not have been hard to make headway in their lawsuits. With even Trump-appointed federal judges not buying what they were selling, you've got nothing but your faith in Trump to fall back on. You just don't want to believe that you were lied to.
I have to admit I was taken in by Powells continued confidence that something would turn up. Perhaps it was wishful thinking, but, this woman completely misled Trump supporters saying there was something right around the bend. What we found is that she now comes across as a person as loose mentally as a barrel of ashes.
"What we found is that she now comes across as a person as loose mentally as a barrel of ashes."
Indeed. And her lies were noting in comparison to Trump's.
The Democrats impeached a sitting President twice on completely bogus charges but Sidney Powell is the crazy one.
Well, actually they only impeached a sitting president once. They tried to impeach a former president and private citizen after he had left office, and failed.
The Democrats impeached a sitting President twice on completely bogus charges.
Trump released the not-quite-a-transcript of the call with the president of Ukraine, and you still think it was "bogus"? When arguing about it, I have been told to read what Trump said on that call as if that would prove that he didn't try and pressure Zelensky into investigating Biden. I did read it, several times, just to see if there was something I missed, since they were so insistent. I just don't get it, to be honest. Between what Trump definitely said there, and all of the testimony from people involved and documents released, it was clear that Trump tried to leverage aid to Ukraine and a visit from Pence to get them to announce that they were investigating Trump's likely opponent.
Even if there was something to investigate, it is extremely inappropriate for Trump to have been personally involved in that. To even give the appearance that he was looking to have his political opponent investigated to hurt him in the election is exactly what Trumpists claim Obama did to Trump (even though almost nothing of the Russia investigation was publicly known prior to Election Day in 2016). And then, there wasn't anything to investigate, anyway. It was all a narrative pushed by pro-Russia Ukrainians to a gullible Rudy Giuliani. Trump even repeated the bogus Crowdstrike/DNC server conspiracy theory during the call.
If you want to understand why Putin is seriously threatening Ukraine now, don't lay it all on Biden. Trump's actions there and in weakening the perceived unity of NATO is a big part of it.
And as for the second impeachment, it is more and more obvious that, if anything, the riot made the real coup attempt less likely to succeed. It is obvious now that Trump really did hope that his supporters showing up at the Capitol steps would put pressure on Pence to do his bidding and not accept the Electoral Votes from the states he narrowly lost. Even if he didn't expect them to actually break in violently, saying "Hang Mike Pence" and disrupt the certification, he also waited so long to say anything to get them to back off that he almost certainly liked what was happening.
The only way that history will record Trump as anything but a disaster of a President is if his cult gets him back in office and the dismantling of the Constitution is completed. Then, history will be written to show Trump as saving America from the illegals after building his Wall and finally punishing the baby-eating Democrats.
Yes. It was bogus.
Asking a foreign power about the corrupt acts of a former administration is not corrupt. It is doing your job.
Biden literally bragged about it. People in Ukraine confirmed it.
But a US official asking about it is criminal?
Of all of the stupid things that have happened since the world became a fake dream sequence back in 2016, this thing where everyone pulls an Orwell and just pretends that the sky is not blue is the most unbelievable.
Biden has been caught red handed 11 ways from Sunday taking bribes. Co-conspirators have testified to the fact. Their own documents show it. And we pretend that it isn't there.
Inflation is because we only spent 12 trillion extra dollars in the last couple of years. Another 3.5 trillion is the only thing that can stop inflation. How do you report that with a straight face?
It is just insanity. All of the stories that talk about the desperate need for school kids to stay home or wear masks... Or both! To protect the kids!!! I get a teachers union rep saying that. But health officials? It is laugh out loud stupid. The absolute least vulnerable group is the hill we die on?
We used to have a groundness to our bias. Now? Reporters will repeat literally anything they are told to say.... Even if it directly contradicts what they said yesterday.
And we have flocks of minions, paid and unpaid, rushing out to create the impression that "everyone" believes.
It is so weird.
I don't blame a politician for spinning, eliding, softpeddling or even outright lying. That is like blaming the puppy for peeing on the carpet.
But I do blame the press for willingly participating, and for going even further.
And I blame a populace who accept this from their 4th estate. There is no excuse for these businesses turned propaganda machine to remain in business. That much is our fault. By either demanding only news we agree with, or by not caring if any of it is true as long as the news team is jovial and attractive, we allow this to continue.
A democracy cannot function without a truly independent 4th estate, because a democracy depends on an informed electorate.
I still believe the election was stolen in those five or six states. We have never have a President lead by such wide margins, have vote counting shut down, and then start back with his opponent getting almost 100% of the final votes being tallied. Plus, no one can explain the Fulton County, Georgia election worker running ballots through the counter multiple times.
Add in all the changes in voting laws made not by legislatures, but by judges and election officials, and you have a fraudulent election.
It's much like the mockery expressed by Trump when he said he was being spied upon. It turns out that was true.
Should read; "mockery expressed OF Trump"
We understand that you believe the Fat Grifter's lies. You are free to try to prove any of your allegations in a court of law. So far all your cult had been able to present are baseless allegations (i.e. more lies). Trump stated clearly that if he were to lose, the election would be illegitimate. Ergo, those in his cult would never accept any Trump loss as valid, and indeed they have not. Love him, blind yourself, believe in your Fat Grifter savior.
I understand that you are a partisan moron.
Trump never said any of that.
This is how stupid looks when motivated by politics.
Should have had absolute proof before spouting off. The world gave you the benefit of the doubt waiting for your proof to be revealed and nada.
That's not how lawsuits usually work because private individuals have no investigative powers. The courts need to authorize discovery after initial suspicion.
That's not how lawsuits usually work because private individuals have no investigative powers. The courts need to authorize discovery after initial suspicion.
That "initial suspicion" needs to be backed up by something credible. Lawsuits that are just fishing expeditions can get the lawyers sanctioned for good reason.
Yes, and the statistical irregularities, violations of chain-of-custody, proprietary voting software, irregular vote counting procedures, etc. were all grounds for credible suspicion. Powell, unfortunately, didn't make a good case for that, and no other, more competent lawyer wanted to touch those issues because there was no upside and only downsides. Even if they had won and proved their case, they would be remembered as the lawyers who brought down a president who got 81 million votes on a technicality.
You seem to think that because Powell failed and no court would touch this, that is conclusive evidence that the 2020 elections were beyond question or reproach. That's foolish, even by legal standards. It's also foolish because US elections have been run in piss-poor manner for decades and could never be trusted.
Powell is a red herring, to distract from the fundamental problems with US voting and elections.
Dude, all of the crackpot blogs you are getting your news from are lying to you.
Just put them down and go read the New York Times for a change. Even if they are the Red Menace, at least you'll know what the enemy is thinking! And you'll get an example of how real journalists write, with grammar and everything.
Powell had eyewitnesses who were former military intelligence telling her that this stuff (dominion machine back doors) existed and was used. They layed the Groundwork many months in advance, warning that this was the method of attack.
Then
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After the election a d during the critical 2 weeks they had to mount a defense...
Their story went from iron clad to unbelievable.
It was a well conceived red herring, whether intentional or not.
Powell was stupid to ignore the advice she was getting from lawyers with election experience... They told her it was bS before the election.. she believed her military officer eyewitness instead.
Josh "Spyder" Merritt claims that he had little input into "his" affidavit. That's the "military intelligence" affiant. He now says she misrepresented his credentials and put words in his mouth.
Of course dear. There's always another wrinkle, isn't there?
Lots of wrinkles in the world's most complex, yet completely secret and successful, operations, naturally.
Yes, and the statistical irregularities, violations of chain-of-custody, proprietary voting software, irregular vote counting procedures, etc. were all grounds for credible suspicion.
Those are specific claims. What are the details of those claims with what verifiable facts to base them on? Where was chain-of-custody violated? What was irregular about vote counting procedures in which counties and states?
You seem to think that because Powell failed and no court would touch this, that is conclusive evidence that the 2020 elections were beyond question or reproach.
If no one could bring a case to court with sufficient evidence to get anywhere, then I assume that the procedures that are always present to verify the accuracy and legitimacy of election results worked well enough to have confidence in those results. It isn't about being "beyond question or reproach." It is about provisionally accepting that the system was reliable when people tried to prove otherwise and failed. If someone has since found evidence to cast doubt on the results, then let them bring that evidence forward where it can be subjected to scrutiny. Instead, I just keep seeing the same vague accusations and arguments. Election fraud and voter fraud are crimes. If the evidence is there, then get it to prosecutors. There are plenty of Republicans in such positions that would act on it if it exists.
Yes, that's the legal standard that the US applies. It's the wrong legal standard because there is no way in which outsiders can obtain the necessary evidence to prove fraud.
The legal standard ought to be that election officials must be able to publicly account for every ballot, ballot box, and count in response to any challenge.
Again, that's the wrong attitude. You should always doubt election results or counts unless the people counting the votes can demonstrate to anybody who cares that they counted completely and accurately.
You dodged my questions. What are the details of the claims you were making? How can I know that what you say is true if it is too vague to check?
The legal standard ought to be that election officials must be able to publicly account for every ballot, ballot box, and count in response to any challenge.
What do you mean by "publicly account for every ballot"? The whole idea of a secret ballot is that no one's vote can be traced back to them. If you mean that every ballot that is printed is accounted for, is that not what is already done? If you mean that you, for instance, should be able to see all of that information if you doubt the results, that's kind of weird. Through things like FOI laws, you can get access to a lot of public records, but you seem to be arguing for even more than that. But elections already have partisan poll watchers, canvassing boards with members of both major parties, and candidates have all kinds of ability to challenge results. How much have you already looked into how elections are run with what information is available? I'm doubting that you have done much, since you wouldn't answer my questions above.
You should always doubt election results or counts unless the people counting the votes can demonstrate to anybody who cares that they counted completely and accurately.
You can never satisfy "anybody who cares". There are people that won't believe that the sky is blue if someone from the opposing party said so. I go by the fact that the people with the most incentive to verify results can already do so. Candidates and their parties already have lawyers that specialize in election law to represent them and plenty of resources to dig into the facts. If they think that there was reason to dispute the results, then they can take their challenges to court. Sydney Powell, Rudy, et al., never worked election law that I've heard of before 2020, and it showed. Note that it wasn't Republican Party lawyers making those claims, but people that were wholly into Trumpworld. And they were never going to be satisfied with anything less than a Trump win.
You guys are missing an important set of facts.
Powell did not make any of this up.
Peoe came to her with the allegations.
People who had credentials and held positions to back it up.
Robert Barnes was talking about this in November of 2020. He said he did not join the team specifically because he believed they were being taken in by a deliberate misdirection campaign designed to waste time and resources. He detailed why the Dominion story could not be true, despite military and intelligence officials claiming to have direct personal knowledge.
Those witnesses quickly evaporated, as predicted.
She was stupid for falling for a. U believable plot.... But you have to wonder why nobody questions where the plot came from, or why these people were recommended and backed up for months, and then discredited as soon as they took it to court.
I keep vacillating between "reporters are not terribly bright, and they are motivated to play for one team" and "they all get their marching orders from the same place"
This would be easy to dismiss if it were an isolated incident or if it had not been published before hand
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But it was. And it is hard to imagine reporters having almost a year and a half to look into this and never having come across any of this stuff.
You kinda have to be not looking at that point.
WTF are you talking about? Every claim from every affiant in this suit has been examined and demonstrated to be baseless. Terpesehore "Tore" Maras is a convicted fraud. Josh "Spyder" Merritt did not have the qualifications Sidney claimed he did or make the claims Sidney claimed he did. Melissa "Day Drunk" Carone is, ya know, a complete fucking disaster lacking professional qualifications of any kind...
Robert Barnes is most known for defending Alex Jones in that Sandy Hook case he just got defaulted on, not clearly an expert on anything except being a sad loser. Yes they said it in 2018; they said it in 2016 too, but it was STILL A LIE!
Well, that settles it! When the regime's judges say that challenges to the regime or its election procedures are "baseless" then it must be true! That's how it worked in the Soviet Union and other communist countries! Such an efficient legal system!
This is, after all, the same legal system that said there was nothing wrong with slavery or forced sterilizations! Anybody who doesn't trust it must be a fool!
How many fingers am I holding up? /sarc
(Your statement is actually not quite true, but that's a different matter.)
So every comment I see here says that Democrats chose this turd of a president intentionally. Thanks, assholes.
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