Are Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz Ignorant About Child Porn Penalties or Just Demagogic?
Even if the senators are genuinely confused, that underlines the recklessness of their attack on Ketanji Brown Jackson.

Responding to Republican criticism of her sentencing decisions in child pornography cases, Supreme Court nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson has patiently explained two things her interlocutors already should have known. First, the current federal sentencing scheme for people convicted of possessing or sharing child pornography is a mess—a point that the bipartisan U.S. Sentencing Commission (USSC), joined by federal judges across the country, has been making for more than a decade. Second, a judge's job at sentencing is not to blindly obey federal guidelines or to rubber-stamp the prosecution's recommendation but to make an independent assessment of what penalty is just given the details of the case.
To some extent, the ignorance of Jackson's leading Republican critics is clearly feigned. Sens. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) and Ted Cruz (R–Texas) are both attorneys who, like Jackson, graduated from Ivy League law schools (Yale and Harvard, respectively) and clerked for Supreme Court justices. Hawley, who has been a senator for three years, was previously Missouri's attorney general. Cruz, who has been a senator for nine years, was previously solicitor general of Texas.
Both senators presumably understand that imposing a prison sentence shorter than prosecutors sought does not necessarily show a judge is especially lenient, although both are pretending otherwise. Both likewise must recognize the important distinction they seem determined to obscure: between defendants convicted of sexually abusing children, including those charged with producing child pornography, and defendants convicted of looking at the resulting images.
Hawley nevertheless describes the latter category of defendants as "child predators" and "sex criminals" who are "preying on children," while Cruz describes them as "sexual predators." Based on that sort of deliberate obfuscation, Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who writes for National Review, concluded that Hawley's attack on Jackson was "disingenuous," "a smear," and "meritless to the point of demagoguery."
But there is also evidence that Hawley and Cruz don't know much about the subject on which they are opining. "Senator Hawley is a bright guy," McCarthy writes, "but if he ever handled a child-pornography case in the brief time he spent as a practicing lawyer before he sought public office, that is not apparent. Nor does it appear, from the admittedly sparse research that I've done, that child pornography was a priority of the Missouri Attorney General's Office during Hawley's two-year stint as AG."
McCarthy, by contrast, had extensive experience with such cases as an assistant U.S. attorney in New York. He describes the challenges posed by mandatory minimum sentences based on technologically obsolete distinctions.
Under federal law, receiving child pornography triggers a five-year mandatory minimum, while possessing child pornography does not, even though it amounts to the same thing for defendants who view or download online images. Distributing child pornography, including noncommercial sharing through peer-to-peer software or other means, is subject to the same mandatory minimum.
"The receipt and distribution sentencing provisions are so heavy-handed," McCarthy explains, "that judges and lawyers end up engaging in the unsavory practice of 'fact-pleading'—i.e., ignoring facts that suggest the defendant was up to more than simple possession in order to avoid triggering the mandatory minimum. That is an abuse of process, but it allows for a reasonable sentence, which may well be a non-prison sentence, with the proviso that it could turn into prison if the offender recidivates."
While "I do not exactly have a reputation for being soft on crime" and "would have no qualms if Congress imposed a sentence of life imprisonment for real sex offenders who prey on children," McCarthy says, "the required five-year sentence we're talking about is too harsh." That mandatory minimum, he notes, is harsher than the sentences that were authorized in terrorism cases he handled and about the same as the sentence received by "a Mafia boss" under a plea deal in a racketeering case, which "made no sense."
In child pornography cases, McCarthy says, "it often turned out that the culprit was a kid who wasn't much older than the children depicted in the porn." His office generally "did not prosecute minors federally except for serious violent crimes." That meant that "if the offender was a day short of his 18th birthday, we would drop the case; but if it was a day later, and we took the case, he'd be looking at a mandatory-minimum sentence of several years' imprisonment," which was "insanity."
Whether or not the mandatory minimum applies, the penalties recommended by the sentencing guidelines are based on congressionally prescribed "enhancements" that cover nearly all defendants caught with child pornography. Additional punishment hinges on things like use of a computer, which is ubiquitous, and the number of images involved, with each video counting as 75 images.
As Jackson explained at her confirmation hearing today, the latter factor, although frequently emphasized by prosecutors, does not necessarily correspond to the seriousness of a defendant's conduct. Judges aim to "do justice in the terrible circumstances by eliminating unwarranted disparities" and by "ensuring that the most serious defendants get the longest periods of time," she said. "When modes of commission of the crime change, such that in two seconds someone can receive or distribute thousands of images, that is no longer…an indicator of a person who, relative to other people, has committed this crime in a more aggravated way. What we are trying to do is be rational in our dealings with some of the most horrible kinds of behavior. This is what our justice system is about. It is about judges making determinations in handing out penalties to people who have done terrible things."
Before the internet became the primary way to obtain child pornography, Jackson noted, people with a large number of pictures might have collected them by mail over "a long period of time," possibly "one photo at a time," a pattern of persistent and determined behavior that "showed really aggravated, terrible conduct." While "it is all terrible," she said, "we are differentiating among defendants." And "on the internet, with one click, you can receive [or] distribute tens of thousands" of pictures. "You can be doing this for 15 minutes," she added, "and all of a sudden, you are looking at 30, 40, 50 years in prison."
Because of enhancements like that, Jackson said, the guidelines are "not consistent with how these crimes are committed and therefore there's extreme disparity." Under the current system, someone who views, possesses, or shares child pornography can be sent to federal prison for two decades, while someone else who does the same thing might receive probation or a sentence of less than a year. That situation is hard to reconcile with anyone's idea of justice.
In a 2012 report to Congress, the USSC noted that "the current sentencing scheme results in overly severe guideline ranges for some offenders based on outdated and disproportionate enhancements." In 2021, the commission reported that "most courts believe" the sentencing scheme for nonproduction cases "is generally too severe and does not appropriately measure offender culpability in the typical non-production child pornography case." That view is reflected in the fact that most defendants in such cases (59 percent in fiscal year 2019) receive sentences below the guideline range.
Douglas Berman, a sentencing expert at Moritz College of Law, notes that "Judge Jackson's record of imposing below-guideline CP sentences is quite mainstream." In a letter they sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday, nine retired federal judges, including two who were nominated by Republicans, agreed with Berman's assessment.
"Judge Jackson's record—both as a Commissioner on the United States Sentencing Commission and as a judge on the District Court for the District of Columbia—is entirely consistent with the record of other district court judges across the country (appointed by presidents of both parties) as well as with the position of the Department of Justice," the former judges write. "Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson's record in individual cases is entirely consistent with the nationwide patterns described by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, and what the DOJ prosecutors or U.S. court probation departments have recommended." They add that "to the extent she departed, it was well within the mainstream of what other judges"—"appointed by both Republicans and Democrats"—"were doing nationwide."
If we take Hawley at his word, all of this is news to him. "Some have said that the federal sentencing guidelines are too harsh on child sex crimes, especially child pornography," he said during his opening statement at Jackson's hearing on Monday. "I've heard that argument a lot in recent days….I can't say that I agree with that. The amount of child pornography in circulation has absolutely exploded in recent years."
Hawley made it sound as if he was unfamiliar with the longstanding, widespread, bipartisan criticism of federal penalties for nonproduction child pornography offenses until after he launched his attack on Jackson last week. If so, Hawley was remarkably incurious.
Hawley's indictment of Jackson included the fact that, as a member of the USSC, she "advocated for drastic change in how the law treats sex offenders by eliminating the existing mandatory minimum sentences for child porn." He neglected to mention that the rest of the commission, including the Republican members, agreed with her critique of "the existing mandatory minimum sentences."
The USSC's 2012 report recommended that Congress "amend the statutory scheme to align the penalties for receipt and possession offenses." While members disagreed about whether any mandatory minimum should be retained for nonproduction offenses, they "unanimously" agreed that if Congress decided to do so, "that statutory minimum should be less than five years."
Maybe Hawley honestly did not know about that 10-year-old recommendation. But even if his confusion was sincere, that hardly excuses him for failing to research the subject before accusing Jackson of being soft on "child predators." And even after he was clearly aware of the arguments against the current penalty scheme, he was unable to rebut them. As a reason for rejecting the widely held position that current penalties are "too harsh," he cited "the amount of child pornography in circulation," which has absolutely nothing to do with determining a just sentence for a particular defendant.
"I take these cases very seriously as a mother, as someone who, as a judge, has to review actual evidence in these cases and, based on Congress's requirements, take into account not only the sentencing guidelines, not only the recommendations of the parties, but also things like the stories of the victims," Jackson said yesterday. "Also things like the nature and circumstances of the offense, the history and characteristics of the defendant….Judges have to take into account the personal circumstances of the defendant because that's a requirement of Congress."
As Hawley originally presented his case against Jackson, all that mattered was that Jackson had imposed sentences below the ranges recommended by the guidelines, without regard to whether those recommendations made any sense. As Cruz refined the critique yesterday, all that mattered was that Jackson had imposed sentences shorter than the ones recommended by prosecutors (which are themselves often less severe than the guideline sentences). When Jackson pointed out that judges also are obliged to consider recommendations from the federal probation office, based on a detailed assessment of the defendant and his conduct, Cruz confessed that he had not seen those.
"We don't have those," Cruz said. "The committee has not been given the probation officers' recommendation. We would welcome them."
A Washington Post analysis published last week found that Jackson "met or exceeded the probation recommendation" in four of the seven cases that Hawley had cited as evidence of her supposedly unusual lenience. In one case, Jackson's sentence was within the guideline range. In two cases, her sentences were less severe than the probation office recommended but still more severe than what the defense requested. "In other words," the Post reported, "only in two of the seven cases cited by Hawley did Jackson render a sentence that was below the probation office's recommendation."
If the Post was able to obtain this information last week, surely staffers working for Hawley or Cruz could have done so as well. The fact that they did not underlines how reckless and demagogic the attack on Jackson was.
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Speak for yourself. I love what Koch-funded libertarians have been producing lately.
#LibertariansForBiden
O.B. here has never read a law passed by its precious GOP or Dem alternatives.
Pretty sure Sullum is, at the very least, a pedophile.
Hope he's not full blown child molester, but...
Reason's decision to sexualize children above all else is truly, truly baffling.
> Are Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz Ignorant About Child Porn Penalties or Just Demagogic?
Yes and yes.
Or they disagree that child porn is mainstream and should have a light dusting in sentencing.
What is the lefts obsession with normalizing crimes against children.
Ketanji Brown Jackson knows what's required of her here.
Do you think that a guy who took "inappropriate" (her words) showers with his tween daughter and does this to other people's kids, would have picked her for other reasons?
Just like any cult, the lies, manipulation and abuse needs to start early to really sink in for a lot of people.
I doubt it will, this level if smug certitude hasn't been seen since the Religious Right. I would be dishonest if I didn't say that I am hoping the entire progressive sub-population and their enablers de-camp for Costa Rica. And then commit mass suicide via poisoned (also appropriated and regionally non-traditional) yerba mate and quinoa. For the children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHaPd27-c0k
Now do 30 year old rape accusations.
That's different because Kavanagh.
In blackface or plainclothes?
Oh good, I thought this piece disappeared.
Anyway I just wanted to commend Reason.com for emphasizing its soft-on-crime #EmptyThePrisons agenda absolutely applies to CP enthusiasts as well. If you crank out one more piece on this topic by the end of the week I'll conclude your benefactor Charles Koch finds convicted sex offenders even MORE cost-effective than Mexicans. 🙂
#CheapLaborAboveAll
This bit really annoys me. In a statist judicial system, legislatures pass the laws, judges obey them. The judge's job is NOT to second-guess legislators except as to the constitutionality of laws; either explicitly claim the law is unconstitutional, or obey it. Judges chose to be lawyers and judges in a statist judicial system; no one stuck a gun to their head and forced them against their will.
The other annoying thing is all the damned fools, including Hawley and Cruz and a whole lot of politicians and commenters, who pretend there is no difference between looking at kiddie porn and producing it, who pretend all sex offenders are equally bad, and generally rant and rave with their hands over their ears. Comments responding to this comment will be 90% the same, full of insults and ad hominem attacks showing only their own lack of brain power.
You don't have to equate looking at child porn compared to producing child porn to ignore how they are intertwined (supply and demand). I don't see many people on the comment board suggesting they are the same crime, but that both crimes should get severe punishment.
However, it's clear that KJB is NOT following the guidelines for sentencing. She's consistently in favor of light sentencing for these types of offenders. It's fair game for senators to question her record on this subject.
When Sullum and Tony cry that somehow it's a smear campaign against KJB when senators ask her about her actual record on a subject, that is pure non-sense. Let's also remember, both of these idiots along with Reason repeatedly used the phrase "credible allegation" about an unsubstantiated 30 year old rape allegation for Brett Kavanagh. But that wasn't a smear campaign. No sir.
Gosh bud. I said
Why are you so happy to pick on this one judge and ignore all the others who do the same thing? One might think you were a partisan ideologue without principles.
As for supply and demand, have you forgotten your principles again? Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich come to mind, mispellings notwithstanding.
Why are you citing intrastate examples for interstate crimes. These are not same state residents producing and supplying in the cases.
Why are you citing Econ 101 principles only when it is convenient?
Sorry your argument fell apart do easily lol.
By the way.. if you had passed econ 101 you would understand wicked was intrastate. Just saying. I know you don't associate costs from theft from China in your pre 101 economy knowledge. But thats for another thread
“Why are you so happy to pick on this one judge and ignore all the others who do the same thing?”
I wasn’t aware until just recently that this was happening, and it pisses me off plenty. I’m not ignoring anything.
I've called out many judges for light sentencing with child porn, child rape, etc.
I’m aware of light sentences for repeat violent offenders in general in some jurisdictions, I just hadn’t realized it had sunk so far into depravity as this.
Been going on for decades even with rape.
https://www.fox26houston.com/news/father-calls-out-judge-for-giving-daughters-rapist-a-light-sentence
This is part of the normalization.
“The convicted rapist, Eli Binnion”
Umm,
"Why are you so happy to pick on this one judge and ignore all the others who do the same thing?"
Because she's been nominated for the Supreme Court?
JFC, man, not a strong showing for you today.
+1
Yeah, let's ignore the fact she's being nominated to the highest court in the land. I mean, other judges somewhere do this also...
You're going to have a hard time finding judges that consistently impose sentences far in excess of what prosecutors ask for without having numerous qualities making them unsuitable for SCOTUS.
"Why are you so happy to pick on this one judge and ignore all the others who do the same thing?"
Because she's been nominated for the Supreme Court?
This needed to be posted twice.
Erm, perhaps because this 1 judge is up for justice on SCOTUS?
Actual sbp would argue they aren't crimes
Searching for child porn creates a market. A market induces suppliers.
2 of the cases cited by Hawley involved intentions to produce as well.
“and commenters, who pretend there is no difference between looking at kiddie porn and producing it,”
Who did this?
I do think there's room for judges to use their discretion and to use it widely when it comes to applications of the law. Part of the system of checks and balances does involve restraining political impulses driven by the passions of the moment with cooler logic, when the rights of individuals may be trampled. I don't have a significant issue with Brown exercising her own discretion.
I do feel it's appropriate that she address these previous decisions because part of exercising your personal discretion means being accountable for it. Hawley really only asked about a single case yesterday (I haven't watched anything so far today) where she was especially lenient due to the perpetrator's young age, but he had videos of children as young as 8 he was sharing. Now she can possibly justify that sentencing through various means but Hawley isn't out of line to ask about it, either.
"...who pretend there is no difference between looking at kiddie porn and producing it, who pretend all sex offenders are equally bad, and generally rant and rave with their hands over their ears."
There is a difference between creating child porn, distributing child porn, and looking at child porn. But all three involve the sexual exploitation and abuse of a child, and sexual abuse is ALWAYS bad and worthy of punishment. As far as just looking at child porn, if you're knowingly looking at pornographic images of children, then you know a child was sexually abused in order to take that picture, so you're still part of the sexual abuse of children.
All sex offenders are not the same. There are tons of things that are labeled as sex offenses that probably shouldn't be. But looking at child porn isn't one of them. Sexual abuse of children is one of the most vile crimes a person can commit, because children are essentially powerless to stop it. Anyone who participates in that- in ANY way- deserve a very stiff penalty.
This is the strange part. If one substitutes create/distribute/possess material showing graphic rape and murder of a woman, it becomes moot. The same for lynching of any ethnic minority. And doubly, if not trebly or higher if the murder is of a homosexual or, world-ending catastrophe, a transgender person. Yet somehow, we are supposed to accept without questioning this line of argument from Sullum, others in the left-leaning camp. If there were no victims, sure, this would be a prime hill for a libertarian debate. As it stands, it is a prime way to demonstrate poor reasoning, and an attachment to the worst ideals of the progressives.
I do not agree that they are different. The person generating the market in abuse is not appreciably better than the person providing the abuse (and some of her lenient sentences were for people very much abusing the kids themselves as well).
Whether it is liked or not, children need and warrant special protections.
Readers note: The Republican Anthony Comstock Appreciation Society and New York Society for the Suppression of Vice define "special protections" as raising the age of consent to 30.
Sullum is ALL-IN to protect child porn enablers. Dude, it's not complicated. Sickos that use child porn enable people that make child porn. The Legislator has given guidelines for sentencing of these crimes. KJB to a fault has given light sentencing for child porn users.
It's very telling that this is the hill that Sullum wants to fight on. Add in his zealous defense of Netflix's Cuties child porn documentary and we're starting to get a good look into Sullum's worldview. It's not so pretty.
I think that Reason's disparity in treatment between the senators who accused Kavanagh of running a rape gang, had acolytes attack a confirmation hearing and ran religious tests on Amy Coney Barrett, and the senators asking pertinent questions about sentencing, should be noted.
They were cool with the first three, but senators doing their job is a bridge too far.
Sullum is such a hack.
You're ignorant and confused here. Legislators pass laws specifying *maximum* sentences, and sometimes *minimum* sentences. She *is* following the law by giving a sentence in between the statutory minimum and statutory maximum. What your complaint is concerns the "Sentencing Guidelines", which are not made by legislators, but unelected bureaucrats who come up with a complicated formula for picking where exactly a sentence should fall, within the limits imposed by legislators.
If Congress thinks the statutory minimum is too light, it's on them to increase it. They could pass a law making USSC guidelines mandatory; they haven't. Beyond that, the whole fucking point of having a minimum and maximum is because some offenses are indeed less severe than others, with different risk profiles for reoffense, different criminal history levels, etc. Sometimes a formula not tailored to an individual case aren't reasonable, and that's how you wind up with *even prosecutors* recommending below guidelines.
I think the complaint here, at least from what I've heard of it, isn't that she sometimes goes for the statutory minimum sentence.
The way I've heard it, is that she basically always goes for the statutory minimum sentence.
Now, that may be true or false as a matter of actual fact, but that's the allegation I've heard from her opponents.
Some offenses may be less awful than others, but they can't ALL be less awful than the others.
I don't really understand why these two are so exclusively the focus of so many articles. Tom Cotton brought up a drug case, capitalizing on the fentanyl scare, and basically mocked her for her previous bemoaning of mandatory minimums in cases where she didn't think it was justice. He kept using the word "habitual offender" and "Drug kingpin" for a guy whose only previous conviction was 20 years previous, and she still had to sentence him.
Tom Cotton is clearly fully on board with the Drug War, something libertarians have been railing against for 30 years. But Hawley respectfully asks why she so starkly departs from guidelines on a CP case (and one where the person was DISTRIBUTING, not just viewing or possessing) and he's the target of every single article. If you want to attack Republicans, why aren't you focusing on Cotton? And why not address some of the really stupid comments Democrats are making about "dark money" and their overt slams of the Federalist Society?
“I don't really understand why these two are so exclusively the focus of so many articles.”
So many Sullum articles. And that’s a good question for him.
The battle over drugs is basically over in the culture war (legality is irrelevant to the goals).
The left is now committed to a full offensive on the sexually abusing children front. Reason is, as usual, following its marching orders.
Cotton is a douche. But then again the whole Senate is 100% on board with the drug war. It wont be changing any time soon.
One of the cases Hawley cited for "distributing" was clicking 'retweet' on someone else's tweet. It's not surprising that was considered less severe than the person who originally posted it.
Translation: Tu Quoque, Whutabout Dems? Tu quoque! Be intimidated by coercion-pushing Stinking Hind; and Trump is Jesus!
Is this an example of Republicans "seizing" or "pouncing" on the left's support of child sexual abuse? I have a difficult time telling the difference between the two.
The left is telling us that since it's 2022 we really must start going easy on the child sexual abusers since it's such a common thing now.
The left is like Biden, they think everyone knows someone who has been blackmailed because of naked pictures, and they think everyone looks at child porn every now and then. Why such a harsh criminal penalty when caught? It's not as if anyone is actually harmed by viewing those pictures? (Except the poor child being abused--but that's not the fault of the one doing the looking). Hey, you democrat voters! This is what you support!
Sullum is determined to keep the conversation on child porn where he thinks he has extra cover because even conservatives like Andrew Mccarthy support lighter sentences. But this also allows sullum to distract from the other issues like CRT from the bench, her false claims of originalism, judicial activism, etc.
the parsing between received and possessed requires superhero levels of rationalization
Someone explain to Cindy that this is not a Stalinist Dem nor Hitlerite GOP website... and to her Comstockist hands-in-sockpuppet that cartoons are not people, any more than banks are people.
0 for 4 sullum.
It's like this guy is really worried about child predators rights. Out of all the things he could be worried about.
Now, maybe it's just because Jacob realizes that Jackson is in trouble because of it and he wants to defend her at all costs, even if he has to defend child predators for it. Not like we can rule this out, if we assume, just for a moment, that Sullum has no principles.
If, however, he really believes in defending child predators, maybe SPB is his sock?
Jackson’s not in trouble.
Well, if he thinks it makes her vulnerable, he would defend her because he is a good Democrat.
Jackson's not in trouble over it. The democrats will be, though. She'll be confirmed, every democrat will vote for her, their names will be on record, and that's going to hang around their necks in the midterms and beyond.
Who gives a fuck if it is red herrings all the way down? And why is Sullum wailing and moaning about it like a guest host on the View?
Any candidate that Joe Biden puts forward for the SCOTUS should be rejected. There is no way that Jackson is not full on board with the Democrat agenda. She has surely been vetted and made all of the proper blood oaths. Never forget what Merrick Garland has done. Lefties hate the Constitution.
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She is a trojan horse that will spend all her efforts stalinizing this country. As will any candidate put forth by the cadre of millennial west wing larpers who actually run the administration.
I think she's more of an albatross at this point. Her kiddie porn rulings and CRT references put her squarely on the side of everything that the GOP is building their midterm campaign against. People don't understand or care about judicial philosophy. They care about child grooming in schools and CRT.
She's going to get confirmed. But she's also going to hang around the neck of everyone who voted to confirm. They honestly couldn't have picked a worse nominee from a "branding" standpoint. She's a gift to Republicans. But, this is what Dems get when they sold out their party to the woke left because of TDS.
Let's not forget that Garland was sold as a fairly moderate guy. As AG, he is giving Holder a run in sheer hackery.
She's going to pass, she's going to get probably 60 votes. All this wailing and gnashing of teeth that she's actually being asked questions about her past decisions is pure histrionics because they're relevant and on-topic. Corey Booker just fluffed her up and told her how beautiful her family was and how he nearly cried at how proud her husband sounded during his 30 minutes of pointless questions.
Seems like we could wonder what the fucking point is of his irrelevant questions and whether he deserves to have any time allotted to him if he's just fishing for media attention; it's more pointless than Cruz and Hawley pressing her on her record.
But he's Spartacus!
zzzzzz meanwhile ...
https://reason.com/2018/10/05/brett-kavanaughs-emotions-dont-disqualif/
Did you ever refer to the false accusations against Kavanaugh as a 'reckless attack'?
Did he ever look up 'credible' in a dictionary?
I am not inclined to disagree that traffickers in CP are not as bad as producers. But they ARE bad and deserve some punishment.
But. But. Why is this the 5th article I’ve seen on this? There are a hundred other reasons to argue about this candidate! Why is this issue the big deal?
It's all over other news outlets as well. OMG THE CHILDREN gets clicks.
It is a distraction from the other concerns of her record.
Also as an aside, he was talking to an undercover officer after his IP had been tracked linking him to CP he'd already uploaded. He told the undercover officer, posing as someone else who shared and liked CP, that the CP should record a video of him molesting his own 12 year old daughter and send it to him.
So okay, this 18 year old didn't make any porn, but he was asking others to make some to send to him.
'MAP's are the next big thing for the oh-so-enlightened, it appears. We serfs and proles are simply too stoopid and backwards to understand. Maybe RAK will drop by will help us understand us, it's typically very convincing. /sarc
Yes. They're still perving on kids and that absolutely is not acceptable. Even if they call it art.
While I don't think viewers should be neutered like producers, quality time with 2' of garden hose should be available as a corrective therapy.
I have to think that the relevant laws are over-inclusive, in that they seem to count as child porn anything that *looks* like child porn, even if everybody involved is an adult or just a CGI model, and also count as child porn anything where somebody involved was a minor, but *didn't look it*, and the consumer had no way of knowing.
A highly squicky affair either way, but not everybody prosecuted for child porn actually had any causal relationship with the abuse of children.
https://twitter.com/AnOpenSecret/status/1506708966289592325?t=97qU0S7PJYx8pEbqPKzOig&s=19
Judge Jackson is now just flat-out refusing to answer questions from Senator Cruz about why she gave the LOWEST POSSIBLE SENTENCE ALLOWED BY LAW in horrific child porn cases like Cooper and Chazin.
Cruz is absolutely skewering Jackson for sentencing a pedophile with S&M material of toddlers to LESS THAN HALF of the sentencing guidelines.
She is just ducking and covering, declining to answer.
Chairman Durbin is visibly exasperated, repeatedly interrupting, trying to bail out Judge Jackson from under this withering questioning by Senator Cruz.
Chairman Durbin refuses to allow Judge Jackson to answer the last question from Senator Cruz about why she sentenced Stewart to LESS THAN HALF the guidelines, in a case Judge Jackson herself called "egregious".
Watch the entire clip. Judge Jackson cannot defend her lenient sentence for a horrible pedophile
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Seriously, wtf is wrong with the left? Why hasn't a single Dem said this is not who we are, find another token judge?
Are they really all like Tony, who when confronted with the reality that the President and his son are incestuous paedophiles explaimed in exasperation, "do you expect me to vote Republican?" Religious zealots.
Or is it that enough pedos have made tracks into the Democratic party to have enough control?
Always use a VPN.
I'm waiting for Buttplug to weigh in on TOR and VPNs for his habit.
There is no sane reading of the Constitution that grants the federal government power to put you in jail over seeing a picture.
your honor I was walking naked and totally fell right into her
College and keggers happen. I have been both sleepwalker and sleepwalkee.
It's participating and continuing an awful pernicious crime and deserves multiple years of jailtime. However it is not equal to the actual act which the Republicans who are trying to ruin Jackson are saying. They have no sense of degree. Actually they do, but they are playing up to their Trumpian mouth breather base who don't understand nuance, the law, or the constitutional principal of reasonable punishment. They are the sort that prefer a good a lynching to a fair trial.
Sanity? In a looter Kleptocracy?!
None of this matters. She a fucking communist, it's obvious, and she shouldn't be on the supreme court. Sadly, she'll get in and everyone will make a big deal out of her sex and race while claiming you are a racist for asking if perhaps maybe her flaws were overlooked in favor of those factors.
Sollum's big whine seems to be about making the distinction that viewers of child porn aren't as bad as producers. The saying "he doth protest too much" comes to mind as it seems he has a dog in this hunt.
Bingo
He's seeking reasonable punishment for a crime rather than knee jerk "git a rope" trial by lynching sentiment that Trumpers demand.
Also, the kid she sentenced to three months. If he'd been 17, had a 16 year old girlfriend, then he turned 18, and she had a habit of sending him pics, we're all sympathetic. Or a boyfriend, as he seemingly was gay-it's still not a biggie.
But he's looking at 8 year olds being raped, he's looking at and sharing this stuff, 11 year olds, 10 year olds. Some of them were people close to his age but he had a lot of stuff involving pre-pubescent kids. She still sentenced him to 3 months despite liberal, forgiving prosecutors asking for only 24 months.
Yeah, that's clearly child predator behavior.
And this defendant that she went extremely easy on, just to note, was a young black male. Just a passing thought about activist judges who talk about CRT.
Show one of her decisions that included CRT in the write up. I'll wait here, but won't be holding my breath. Also, nice hot and spicy racism you got going on there.
We don't know because that's not how CRT works. We do know that her approach to sentencing involves CRT because she said so: sentencing is just plain interesting … because it melds together myriad types of law, criminal law, of course … constitutional law, critical race theory
Where exactly is the "hot and spicy racism" in his comment? CRT states that blacks and whites should be treated differently under the law.
Here you have a judge who believes that CRT should enter sentencing passing an unusually light sentence on an offender who is of a race that CRT says should be treated more leniently. All this is is evidence of Jackson using CRT in her sentencing.
Let's also be clear here that Jackson lied to Congress when she said that CRT "doesn’t come up in my work as a judge. It’s never something that I’ve studied or relied on". Jackson attended Harvard Law School, where CRT originated, and questions of equality vs equity are the bread and butter of legal decisions.
Damn, Sullum. Two articles in one day on the same thing. Step away from the computer.
Ate you sure the kids in his neighborhood are safe if he does?
There was a really spicy back and forth between KBJ and Lindsay Graham today. And Graham got into it with Durbin as well.
Grahm waffles so much he needs to start his on Waffle House knock-off restaurant chain.
Lol youre such an idiot
Had a pedo in the family (a step great grandfather). Abused his step kids daughters. My mom told me about it on her death bed. The girls abused had multiple divorces, had mental issues, and one committed suicide.
A great great uncle by marriage was abusing his daughter. When my great great aunt found out, she went to my great grandfather who called the cops. This was in the forties.
He went to jail but I don't know how long for. The girl never married, so she might have been traumatized. She's in her 80s now.
He who casts the first stone about viewing child porn (whether knowing or unknowing the age of the person in the image), had better have scrubbed their browser history, securely deleted files they put in the trash, and magically hope like hell that their internet service provider somehow does not maintain any user data.
Just like most bills in circulation have some drug residue detectable, surely an equal percentage of computers could likely have forensically identified porn that some prosecutor could conjecture is a minor, or an adult pretending to be a minor, or CGI portraying a minor.
Once Cruz and Hawley head down that path, it begs someone with the knowledge of computer forensics to do a deep dive.
Lol. Yeah, no. Sorry pedo. That's a you and Sullum problem. Doug Stanhope killed this issue 20 years ago in his "No Refunds" special:
Fuck off pedobear.
I may be thrown in jail for wrongthink and redpilling someday by the totalitarian left, but it's only a few of you sick fucks perving on kids.
Fewer, when we catch you at it.
Person? Cartoons are persons now?
I will say, finally seeing Cruz's testimony from today, the man is pretty grating. There are times I like the way he refuses to take bullshit, but when he's being particularly obtuse, he really is shitty.
Yeah, he can be an insufferable dickhead. And the silly political digs are irritating as fuck. If he would simply stick to the facts, things would be more pleasant. And then, there's the other side of the aisle, where 66% or maybe 75% seems to be rhetoric, grandstanding, bullshit, gotchas, false assertions, and other shit that does not make for efficient production. Leahy and Durbin from this episode of as the Senate Turns come to mind.
The only reason this Canadian continues to win in Texas is because he has an R beside his name and the GQP powers that be know they have him under their thumb. You can't lose a state wide electrion with an R beside your name in Texas, unless your name is Ken Paxton who is likely toast if he makes it to the general.
Sullum must have a really, REALLY great retirement plan. Imagine being a 60 year old boomer who has spent his entire adult career with one publication, and caring so little about your reputation or future employment prospects that you decide stake it all on defending light sentences for child rapists, child pornographers, and child pornography consumers. And let's be very, very clear here, because Sullum certainly has been: he is NOT standing up for 18 year old kids who stupidly end up on the sex offender registry because their 16 year old classmates sent them nudes on Snapchat. He is defending a 3 month sentence rather than the recommended 24 month sentence for an adult man ordering custom videos of a 12 year old girl getting fucked by her father.
Sullum......... another or the dems cancer killing America ........ he/she/it must be so proud/approving of the jihadi squad hatred of America ,,,,,,
Are you okay?
It is eerie that not one editor at Reason has had the intelligence to point out to the writers of these articles that the fact that other judges ALSO give deference to pedophiles ISN'T a point in favor of giving deference to pedophiles and that maybe it is this deference that has gotten us to this present situation in which the powerful are almost routinely --and factually, unlike the 'satanic panic' scares of the past being exposed as predators on children.
'Recommended that Congress "amend the statutory scheme to align the penalties for receipt and possession offenses."' So, Congress working to reform legislation, not activist judiciary making laws by way of the bench? Whoa, get the fuck out of town. If Congress weren't so clearly broken, except when it comes to earmarks and increasing their salary, then reforming more important laws might come first. Immigration perhaps.
Seems like some GOP Senators (and most Conservative commentators and news media) want to impose pain on Jackson as payback for the Democrat's false accusations against Kavanaugh and Barrett (and Thomas) during their confirmation hearings.
But Cruz and Cotton are making themselves look like Bible thumping Puritans who campaigned to ban out of wedlock sex.
It would be more effective if GOP Senators asked Jackson to comment on lots of comments made by Joe Biden when he tried to derail Clarence Thomas' nomination as chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, including Biden's comment that the only reason Thomas was only nominated "because he was black".
"But Cruz and Cotton are making themselves look like Bible thumping Puritans who campaigned to ban out of wedlock sex."
Out of wedlock sex or fucking children. Same thing, really, amirite?
Nope. Cruz and Cotton really, really hate sexual exploitation of children.
Perhaps that would be politically more effective, but it wouldn't be relevant to her qualifications.
Cruz, Cotton, and other Republicans chose instead on focusing on facts and questions that actually relate to her legal record and philosophy.
Second, a judge's job at sentencing is not to blindly obey federal guidelines or to rubber-stamp the prosecution's recommendation but to make an independent assessment of what penalty is just given the details of the case.
That's a perfectly reasonable and fair stance. And if you believe that stance, then the judge's "independent assessment of what penalty is just given the details of the case" is perfectly legitimate grounds for assessing that judge's fitness for appointment to a higher court. If appointed judges should be free to exercise discretion to achieve what they believe to be justice (and again, that isn't unreasonable), it only stands to reason that legislators, answerable to the public, should be able to take into account whether those judgements are consistent with the moral and ethical expectations of the public from whose consent the authority of both the legislators' and judges' authority is ostensibly derived. But, Sullum here seems to be treating the judiciary as the Voice of Almighty God on High, where the very act of questioning or challenging a judge's decisions should somehow be verboten in determining whether or not to give that judge more authority.
Certainly would indicate not a libertarian worldview, but a left-leaning or progressive, given this idea that the judiciary are our black-robed masters.
"But, Sullum here seems to be..." (insert rabid nationalsocialist venting)
"But, Sullum here seems to be..." (insert national socialist venting)
I mean Ted Cruz knows better, but I'm sure Tom Hawley is just that dumb. He's a complete idiot tagging along on the Trump short bus.
"The libertarian case to go easy on child pornographers"
"Libertarians": "Why don't we get more votes???"
This is is real simple. This "woman" judge could chose the bottom of the guidelines or the top. She consistently chose the bottom, to go easy on child pornographers.
I have my reservations about anyone Biden nominates or appoints, so far he picks those like himself, somewhat lost in the haze of reality...Although she says she takes the Constitution at it's word, I have seen no support for that, the need to undercut or reinterpret is strong among the left....I need convincing.....
There is no contradiction. She takes the Constitution at its word, meaning she believes parts of it clearly provide "equal protection" and others clearly parts violate it. She can then construct arguments to override the parts she doesn't like with the parts she does like. It's just a different take on legislating from the bench.
There's only one thing worse than a child-porn loving N&gger.
That's a child-porn loving N&gger lover.
Yes, that's what Democrats and progressives like you actually believe.
Go back to CNN and the NYT where they celebrate your kind of racism.
See? To the National Socialist side of the aisle, this judge is the wrong party and the wrong color. Long Dong is the right party and likes to help bully girls, so he gets a pass. Here's hoping America's women voters were watching closely and will vividly remember Lyin' Ted and Leslie Graham Cracker. Also, the voters in Japan, which has an age of consent 2 years older than Massachussets in 1875, need to know that redneck 'Murrican republicans demand a half-century in prison for anyone watching their spicy cartoons.