Can a Web Designer Be Forced To Make Gay Wedding Pages? The Supreme Court Will Decide
Will this follow-up to the famous wedding cake case finally decide if this is mandated speech violating the First Amendment?

The Supreme Court will finally be tackling the question of whether a public accommodation law can compel a business owner to produce messages that violate their personal beliefs as part of anti-discrimination protections.
Today the Supreme Court agreed to hear 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis. Lorie Smith owns and runs 303 Creative, a graphic website design firm based in Colorado. Smith planned to design and host sites for weddings, but she has religious objections to same-sex marriage and does not want to be forced to design and host sites for such weddings. This puts her at odds with Colorado's Anti-Discrimination Act, which prohibits discrimination against LGBT customers.
Smith counters that she isn't refusing to serve LGBT customers, but she "cannot create websites that promote messages contrary to her faith, such as messages that condone violence or promote sexual immorality, abortion, or same-sex marriage," according to her petition to the Supreme Court. The United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit has taken the side of the Colorado Civil Rights Division and ruled that the law was being neutrally applied and not unconstitutionally vague or overbroad. Colorado could legally require Smith to design and host sites for gay weddings and could furthermore prohibit her from putting a message on her website stating that she would not due to her religious beliefs.
This case flows out of the Supreme Court's 7-2 ruling Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission. It's even from the same state. The Masterpiece Cakeshop case revolved around whether a baker could be forced to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. The Court ruled in the bakery's favor but actually punted on the central free speech question. The Court ruled that the commission had not neutrally applied the law, and commissioners had made statements indicating they had a bias against Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips' Christian beliefs.
Similarly, in a more recent case, Fulton v. Philadelphia, about whether a Catholic adoption agency could discriminate against gay couples, the Court dodged again. It ruled in favor of the adoption agency—not for religious freedom reasons, but because the law gave city officials discretion to grant exemptions, and therefore, it was not a neutrally applied law.
While the bakery and the adoption agency won these two cases, no precedent was established. The extent that the services of a baker, florist, photographer, and others were protected by the First Amendment and whether public accommodation laws could force businesses to provide their services for ceremonies over which they held moral objections remain legally muddled. Justice Neil Gorsuch noted in his opinion in the Fulton case, "these cases will keep coming until the Court musters the fortitude to supply an answer."
Indeed, several businesses have raised further legal challenges. Now that the Supreme Court has taken up 303 Creative LLC. V. Elenis, we may finally get the precedent people are seeking. Smith is being represented by Alliance Defending Freedom, which also represented Phillips in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case.
The Cato Institute, joined by UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh (of The Volokh Conspiracy) and Southern Methodist University Dedman School of Law professor Dale Carpenter (also a contributor to The Volokh Conspiracy), have submitted an amicus curiae brief supporting Smith, urging the Court to find that Colorado's anti-discrimination laws violate her First Amendment rights. The brief notes:
As the Tenth Circuit acknowledged, Smith's creation of wedding sites is pure speech. Forcing her to create websites to which she objects is a speech compulsion. The law cannot force her to speak in this way unless the state can satisfy strict judicial scrutiny.
Declaring that a unique and customized product is irreplaceable and that therefore a requirement to provide it in the commercial marketplace is narrowly tailored, as the Tenth Circuit did, is to end free-speech protection for providers of expressive products. It erodes the ability of courts to invalidate applications of speech regulations where part of the government's goal is to punish unpopular ideas rather than solely to protect consumers' access to products.
That cannot be right as a matter of constitutional law. While providers of commercial services are certainly subject to state anti-discrimination obligations, their freedom of speech must remain protected.
In the orders today that the Supreme Court will hear the case, the Court narrowed down the questions in the case to a single issue: "Whether applying a public-accommodation law to compel an artist to speak or stay silent violates the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment."
Do not expect some sort of broad ruling that would radically rethink anti-discrimination laws. Just two years ago Justice Gorsuch and Chief Justice John Roberts joined the Court's more liberal justices in deciding that the Civil Rights Act of 1964's anti-discrimination protections included gay and trans people. This is specifically and narrowly about the limits of mandating commercial speech that compromises the values of business owners.
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Supreme Court to decide if the 1st amendment exists and if water is wet.
I predict a 5-4 split against the 1A.
Gorsuch and Roberts will draw straws to determine who gets to vote with the liberals and who gets to write a strongly worded dissent as boob bait.
It is not so much that the Court likes gays. They are not even that honest. It is that the Court is a slave to elite opinion and elite opinion loves gays. Should elite opinion change, the court will no longer find gays and gay rights so groovy.
The sad part is it's true. If acceptable, there really isn't any justification to say the federal government can't compel a book publisher to publish content they don't agree with.
"Can a Web Designer Be Forced To Make Gay Wedding Pages?"
Probably.
"Should
Cana Web Designer Be Forced To Make Gay Wedding Pages?"NO.
Can? Not really. I am a coder. I can create buggy web pages that won't load. In fact, I can do all day. They can, at some point, decide to kill me, but they can't make me create something I don't want to, if I am resolved enough.
Are you coding everyone's web page that way, or just theirs? Lawyers aren't cheap.
To be transparent, yeah, I have bugs in code for people I like and respect. Coding isn't easy.
WRT to coding, never assign to malice what can be attributed to dumb ass programmer. Even smart ones can do really dumb shit.
I would just code a page that redirects to the gay/lesbian section of Pornhub. If they don't like it, they're the homophobes who disapprove of the largest, most trafficked LGBTQ websites on the planet.
More cogently, despite the assertion, coding web pages isn't that difficult. Numerous platforms do it entirely without code and I work with 10-yr.-old kids who can do it with or without. Even if Kristian H. is determined to die for her conviction against web pages, that's not the case and point here. We just shop around to the next least principled coder and or shoot or shame the others and impoverish their families if they don't comply.
I wish I could agree. Work a financial company. A one page, 1 field form is like 3000 npm packages (because npm and node are dumpster fires), and ~35k lines. Not including regulated content. All someone in a C-suite read an article on Angular and said 'We shall do everything in Angular. Let it be written. Let it be done.' Certainly writing, but the definition of done is not documented (agile humor). And it's been 18 months.
For a 1 field form. I shit you not.
> because npm and node are dumpster fires
Quoted For Truth.
I don't disagree with your assessment except to say that the crux of your problem lies "Work a financial company."<- here.
Nah, man, that node.js shit is everywhere these days.
I didn't mean to indicate that the problem was limited to just finance as much as work for someone else, wind up with their bullshit.
You say 'everywhere' but I'm inclined to disagree. *glances at blinking lights on clients' 56K modems*
Seems odd how many gay folks are incapable of finding cake decorators, florists, or web designers who support their lifestyle decisions.
I kinda thought all three professions had to no lack of pro-gay people to spend your money with.
Seems odd how many gay folks are incapable of finding cake decorators, florists, or web designers who support their lifestyle decisions.
But they sure can laser in on those that don't. Must be the gaydar.
I think gaydar is the ability to detect gays. This is more like str8dar. 🙂
Evidence would suggest more of a "Fire at everything that doesn't show up on gaydar." policy.
Gaydar Tech: "But, sir, it's a bunch of firefighters who just don't want to be groped and have junk rubbed in their face at the Gay Pride Parade. We wouldn't subject female firefighters to that."
Seaman Commander: "I said fire."
...
Gaydar Tech: "Uh, sir, this time it's a non-religious pizzeria that doesn't provide catering services."
Seaman Commander: "Son, when I said 'fire at everything that don't show up on gaydar', I mean fire at everything that don't show up on gaydar! Now Fire!"
...
Gaydar Tech: "Sir, it appears that we're about to fire on a public hospital that followed SOP and notified a patient's parents/contact-on-file rather than the person that showed up alleging to be her domestic partner."
Seamen Commander: "Fire."
Gaydar Tech: "But, sir, we aren't even sure if any of the people who work in the hospital or even on the patient directly are gay or not. For all we know the domestic partner or a hospital employee has some other axe to grind against the hospital and we'd be hurting homosexuals and playing into their game."
Seaman Commander: "Son, we're at war. If you haven't got the testicles to be serving under me, then maybe you shouldn't be a part of this man's army. Now fire. And get me the President on the line."
Their purpose isn't to obtain such services. Their purpose is to persecute anyone who won't obey them. It's their kink. That's why they'll keep going after that guy in Colorado who makes wedding cakes until he's bankrupt.
-jcr
Gay special rights is totes the most important liberty issue of recent times!
GayJay hardest hit...
Bake my cake!!!
Coyld a web designer be forced to make a wedding page for the Westboro Baptist Church?
You may have noticed that none of the lefturd crybullies have attempted to pull this shit on any Muslim-owned business. Gee, I wonder why?
-jcr
Why do public accommodation laws apply to websites at all?
I don't like those laws at all as they violate freedom of association, but at least when applied in the real world it prevents the hypothetical only grocery store within 100 miles from discriminating. There's at least a trade-off being made for your liberty in that case, even if it's a "bad" trade.
But this? What does this accomplish? No one needs a website for their wedding, and even if they did need a website I'm positive 2 seconds of Googling will find you a web designer that doesn't care who you're marrying. Being denied service doesn't cause a substantial burden of any kind in this case. There's no trade being made; it's just shitting on freedom of association for no reason.
Your comment illustrates why public accommodation laws shouldn’t exist at all. What’s necessary is a matter of opinion, and in the eyes of the courts gets broader every day. No private citizen should be compelled to provide services.
Agreed completely, strike all of them from the books. I'm merely pointing out that the shaky logic used to implement them in the first place doesn't even apply to websites.
"There's no trade being made; it's just shitting on freedom of association for no reason."
I am with you on this. Between this one and the bakery one, it boggles the mind that a couple (or individual) would go all the way to the fucking supreme court to make this specific person or company do their bidding. Was that the only bakery in town? Is "303 Creative" the only website design service available to them?
What happened to "Oh, I don't like this business/this business doesn't like me, so I will patronize somewhere else"? Now it's "No, let's try and use government force and bring the hammer down on this small business."
What happened to...
a) Punitive damages
b) They're activist trying to prove a point
c) All of the above
Hell, it's shitting on the 13th amendment. Involuntary servitude!
But the attitude here is that the law is a club they can use to beat on people they don't like, and the point isn't getting a cake or web page, it's ruining people who won't knuckle under.
You are 100% correct, Brett. One should not need to claim a religious basis for declining to create a product for a gay wedding website. Agnostics and atheists should not be subject to involuntary servitude either. I would gladly create a website for a same sex wedding but should not be compelled to do so.
BTW, it is the state of Colorado that is the defendant. The website designer asked it to confirm that she would not be punished if she declined same sex business and Colorado said she had to accept it. IMO, Colorado may be ironically harming gays by implying that they are uniquely vindictive jerks that businesses should avoid for fear of being sued!
I'm positive 2 seconds of Googling will find you a web designer that doesn't care who you're marrying
And it could be a web designer who lives 2000 miles away. The website will work just as well.
Probably better.
Why do public accommodation laws apply to websites at all?
Beyond that, I'm a little confused as to why the CCRD exists at all. Unless the State Bar association is passing a bunch of lawyers who refuse to defend homosexuals in any/all circumstances the CCRD is an oxymoron.
It feels very much like the same police union scam where the protected class get to vote for people who will appoint the people who will do their darnedest to fight to get them more special privileges.
I don't like those laws at all as they violate freedom of association, but at least when applied in the real world it prevents the hypothetical only grocery store within 100 miles from discriminating based on the color of your skin.
FIFY. When no restaurant or grocery store within 100 mi. will feed you because of the color of your skin, that's one thing. When no restaurant or grocery store within 100 mi. will feed you because every other sentence out of your mouth has to be about the sex/gender of your partner, you can learn to shut your mouth long enough to buy a piece of food to shove in it or figure out Doordash or Uber Eats.
Again, many of us spoke up back when (and before) the discussion was "civil unions are just another form anti-miscegenation laws" but, we were bigoted rednecks so nobody cared.
Free abortion shower celebration cards with every order.
In other words: Are we slaves? Practically, yes. Though we are still allowed to do some things, given some permissions to do other things, allowed to keep some of our stuff, and they just haven't gotten around to coding everything into law yet. Given time though...
You are free as long as you do as you are told.
Zzzzz....
Can Justin Trudeau compel a bank to... oh, yes he can. Ok then.
is this the white (LGBTQxyz) privilege we hear about?
code that code!
why would *anybody* mess with a site designer? begging for a million untraceable problems
Wonder how many web designers the plaintiffs had to go to to find one that wouldn’t make their wedding website.
Can a Web Designer Be Forced To Make A "REALLY GOOD" Gay Wedding Pages?
Why would you want someone to work for you that will not do the job you want? Insanity.
Look, you wanted a gay website, I gave you goatse. cx / 2girls1cup. ca. It even asks your visitors their preferred gender before redirecting them appropriately. If you don't like goatse. cx / 2girls1cup. ca, you prudes are the homophobes. Not me.
If you are not of an age to understand these references, thank the good lord above and look no further.
That and Theismann's leg injury are the permanently seared into my mind, no matter how hard I've tried to forget both.
Ooooh. I remember that one. Just shattered. *shudder*
I was pretty young and not really into football at the time, but I remember that fairly well. My Dad used to watch the NFL pretty religiously.
Theismann, np.
Clint Malarchuk, np.
Edwyn Dewees trying to keep the blood in his head with one hand while beating Gideon Ray with the other is actually awesome.
Tucker Tynan collapsing in and struggling and failing to crawl out of a pool of his own blood still bugs me.
Anyone who doesn't get the reference should go here instead.
I just don't get it. I am gay, but I cannot fathom why anyone would want someone who believes about your wedding to create the website for it. Or to bake you a cake. I mean... just find someone else who WANTS your business -- you'll almost certainly end up having a better experience.
To me, though, it seems that some small business owner shouldn't be forced to take on a client they don't want to, regardless of the reason. That feels too much like depriving someone of his or her personal agency. I guess the question is... where is the line drawn? If Joe Blow of "Joe Blow, Inc" should be able to decide who he takes on as a client, what's to prevent (for absurd example) Delta Airlines from deciding that they won't allow gays to fly their airline? I guess the answer to that is "the free market." If their policy results in a significant loss of income, then they either suspend said policy... or live with the loss.
It's Conan's "What is best in life"; "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
They're not shopping for cakes or web pages. They're shopping for opportunities to humiliate and destroy their enemies.
If the law said you could beat up albinos with impunity, don't you think these same sadists would seek out albinos to batter?
That's because most of us are people of good will. But this law gives sadists the ability to make someone suffer.
After removing public accommodation laws, we need to shift regulatory structure that is more draconian on those who control larger market share vs stymying start ups.
That way, when a big business like Delta says they won’t serve you, someone else can more readily start a business offering the same amenity to those denied. And DELTA should be strong armed into not interfering with that start up business beyond changing their own policy.
^ Better than S230.
I wonder how many scripture references you can get on a web page.
It is impossible to force an artist to create 'good' work.
That "gay" wedding cake should be covered with angels, cherubim, crosses, King James Version bible references, etc.
"But this web page is classic simplicity in action; no pictures, no words, no sounds, just a clean blue screen - - - - - - - - "
No! If the gay couple wants a website, learn how to create one, develop your own web design company, and offer your services to whomever you want!! Don't tell others how to run their business, if you don't like what they are doing, or not doing, walk away and don't do business with them, this should never be a court thing!!
But it’s ok to think hospitals should turn away the unvaxxed.
I have a friend who is very proudly gay.
He thinks that these lawsuits make his life more difficult, as those who don't share his lifestyle assume that the entire LGBT community is looking for excuses to cause trouble and demand superior privileges.
Your friend is correct.
I wouldn't be surprised if lawsuits like this have incentivized sadists to join the GLBT community so they could make someone suffer.
That's silly, it's obviously not the ENTIRE alphabet soup community. It's enough of them to be a problem, though, and the rest aren't pro-liberty enough to make it clear to legislators that they don't WANT the power to be assholes.
Why does Volokh literally want to kill gay people?
Republican National Socialists tried it on Jews, and that didn't work out so well. So, on to the weaker sects...
The Republicans tried to kill the Jews? Those bastards!!
Michael Erjecto had the salient point above, asking if you could be forced to make a page for the Westbrook Baptist Church.
We live in very weird times, where one group of people threatens violence if you refuse to create something with a message you disagree with.... While simultaneously insisting that everyone refuse to serve costumers who wish to create messages they disagree with.
You must create web pages that celebrate gay weddings.
You must not allow web pages that oppose government mandates.
If the supreme court cannot see the horrific threat the first amendment is under, they should surrender their robes and allow someone else to shoulder the burden.
The Supreme Court doesn't give a shit.
There is no integrity left in those who make up our institutions.
Consequences are for the peasants.
Every fucking proponent of bake-the-cake (and code-the-web page) should be forced to support the next ten Nazi skinhead rallies and handmaiden fundamentalist polygamist marriages with cakes, photography, invitations, and web pages.
Is this a contest to see who can come up with the wordiest title?
They are showing their hand there quite a bit. I can't think of a more neutral way to word it off the top of my head, though I'm sure there is.
When you can get a service quite readily from others but insist that your specific pursuit is a matter of ‘principle’ then we must question what your real values are and how your principles flow from them.
There are all kinds of principles one can adhere to but they do not all carry the same weight. We all have a number of principles we live by but there is a hierarchy with which we arrange them. Some are very important and others less so.
This is how we know a person – by their values or what kind of hierarchy they place on their principles. What principle is really at stake here? There is no discrimination in society against these people. The law fully protects them. That law does not say that you should have everything you want the way you want it. No law can ever give you that and yet these people seem to think they are entitled to something which no one else has.
Do they think they are better or more worthy than others? Obviously, they do or they would not be pursuing such an unrealistic agenda.
They are not victims of discrimination but they are very arrogant and unlikeable human beings and they should be shunned for that reason alone.
This was totally unforeseen! Who could have guessed that the activist wouldn’t stop even after getting what they wanted?
Learn to code?
If failing to perform a particular task is "depriving" the "free" market of one's "unique" talents there is literally no legal difference between that and labor camps.
I expect Roberts to waffle. He rarely disappoints.
Does that mean a lesbo should be forced to date a man? Since we are being asked to do stuff we don't believe in. After all, love should know no gender right?
I know you're trying to be sarcastic but I'm afraid Poe has already headed you off at the pass; Lesbians are, in fact, being shamed for not wanting to date individuals with penises who identify as women.
How do you determine a webpage's sexual orientation anyway?
I am just a bit amused that this story has the "LGBT" header and not the "First Amendment" or "Religion" header.
“Corporate-Personhood” is vitally important to every business owner, CEO and shareholder. In this scenario, supporting LGBT couples protects corporate-personhood.
A business only has religious rights under a “sole-proprietorship” legal designation, NOT for corporations. So if the business owner wants to discriminate, the owner would have to switch the corporation to a sole-proprietorship model. By doing this, the owner is “personally” liable for lawsuits and bankruptcies. If the business is sued or goes bankrupt the personal assets of the owner aren’t protected.
When an owner creates a corporation there are 2 persons: a “human-person” (owners/shareholders) and a “corporate-person” (the fictitious name of the business).
The “corporate-person” is not human and has no religious views. Corporate-persons are also somewhat subsidized by other taxpayers and consumers (including LGBT taxpayers and consumers).
100% of all expenses (including taxes) of a “corporate-person” is paid by consumers. The offset in taxes is paid by other taxpayers - including LGBT folks. The U.S. Supreme Court case of “Citizens United” clarified this concept even further into law.
By granting “corporate-persons” religious views pierces this corporate veil weakening protections for corporations. One could argue if corporate-persons have rights, don’t they also have legal responsibilities just like human-persons?
"If you didn't want to be forced to bake gay cakes, you shouldn't have tried to limit your legal liability!"
*Everyone* ought to be free to refuse gay cakes. Even if they're not religious but simply happen to know a bit about biology and the function of marriage.
Even if they're not religious but simply happen to know a bit about biology and the function of marriage.
Even if they know nothing except their own personal preferences they should be free to reject homosexual anything.
After the decide this case is SCOTUS going to go back and decide if lunch counters can be segregated? The problem is where and when is refusing service acceptable. If you want to work in the public market place you accept that you may have to serve people you may wish not to serve.
I don't know if we can find a bright line that says when you can refuse service and when you cannot. That is why I believe SCOTUS has tried to avoid this decision.
"lunch counters...segregated"
We somehow managed about half a century with integrated lunch counters without compulsory gay cakes. Maybe the one does not necessarily entail the other?
For millennia, the bright line was well defined at the door. It's not that SCOTUS can't find a bright line, it's that they can't erase that line and draw another one that people can't erase just as, if not more, easily.
Since we blurring the line between church & state here.
Using the "Judeo-Christian Measuring Stick" - wouldn't she also have to refuse service to customers supporting the death penalty? or customers supporting optional war? or previously divorced customers? or customers that committed adultery? Supposedly all sins are equal so what about those customers?
One of the Judeo-Christian faith could also argue that "marriage" (stable longterm relationship) is not sodomy at all (ie: Sodom & Gomorra). Apparently, Jesus himself never denounced homosexuals, he didn't write or agree with those parts of the Bible. Those parts were written by others.
It's also noteworthy to mention that one of the attorneys (supporting equal marriage rights) at the U.S. Supreme Court was Ted Olson - a former George W. Bush Solicitor General and devout Christian. The shop owner may want to read his court brief.
Even a George W. Bush Republican agrees about gay marriage, why can't you?
"Jesus himself never denounced homosexuals"
He never denounced playing in traffic, either.
One of the Judeo-Christian faith could also argue that "marriage" (stable longterm relationship) is not sodomy at all (ie: Sodom & Gomorra).
One could argue that common law marriage, based solely on stable cohabitation, solves both the gay marriage issue as well as a number of other marriage issues for everyone equally regardless of orientation.
One would be called a discriminatory, sexist bigot for doing so because [insert, then ignore legitimate reasons here] it doesn't doesn't give enough of the right kind of special privileges to the right kind of special people.
Where Liberals get there 'retarded' addition.
"My personal freedom to *FORCE* you to make me a website with gov-gun"........... The left; still the party of slavery no matter how much they like to project and deceive.
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Among the huge amount of digital garbage, it is extremely difficult to find a worthwhile website that would meet all expectations. But she was lucky when she found out about the adult meeting website and decided to try it herself. The main thing is that she likes it, and the rest doesn't matter, right? Girls' happiness is above all.