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Misinformation or Political Dysfunction—Which Comes First?

Plus: Trafficking visas, a new no-fly list?, and more...

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Is misinformation a supply problem or a demand problem? Over the past few years, politicians and pundits have coalesced around the narrative that "misinformation"—be it from Russian bots, random conspiracy theorists, your grandpa's Facebook feed, or professional media—is both a growing problem and a root cause of current political dysfunction. Social media companies have routinely been taken to task for allegedly propagandizing people and for failing to stop misinformation's spread.

These ideas are politically convenient for the left and the right. Didn't win an election? It was that misinformation about your candidate! Can't gain support for a ballot initiative or bill? Misinformation. People won't comply with public health measures? Have feelings you wish they didn't? Promote the "wrong" political values or inconvenient analysis? Misinformation!

There are many reasons to doubt these narratives, some of which we've covered before. Misinformation online is certainly widespread. But there's evidence that…

"Demand for fake news is a far more serious problem than the supply," Ilya Somin suggested at The Volokh Conspiracy in 2019.

The misinformation demand/supply debate is once again simmering, thanks to this Slow Boring post from Matthew Yglesias. After challenging the idea that there was some pre-internet golden era of better journalism or public awareness, Yglesias delves into whether people believe false things because they're uninformed or because these false things jive with emotions, prejudices, and ideas they already have:

A normal person can tell you lots of factual information about his life, his work, his neighborhood, and his hobbies but very little about the FDA clinical trial process or the moon landing. But do you know who knows a ton about the moon landing? Crazy people who think it's fake. They don't have crank opinions because they are misinformed, they have tons and tons of moon-related factual information because they're cranks. If you can remember the number of the Kennedy administration executive order about reducing troop levels in Vietnam, then you're probably a crank — that EO plays a big role in Kennedy-related conspiracy theories, so it's conspiracy theorists who know all the details.

More generally, I think a lot of excessive worry about "misinformation" is driven by the erroneous belief that more factual information would resolve political disputes. Both David Neumark and Arin Dube know far more than you or I do about the empirical literature on minimum wage increases. Nonetheless, they disagree. It is simply a heavily contested question. Relative to Neumark, the typical progressive is wildly misinformed about this subject; relative to Dube, the typical conservative is wildly misinformed. And lots of political disputes have this quality — most people don't know that much about it, but you can find super-informed people on both sides of the question. That's why it's a live debate.

Two main thrusts of Yglesias' post are that a lot of what's coded as "misinformation" really isn't factually wrong so much as a difference of opinions, values, or ways of seeing the world, and that it's prior agreement with misinformation driving its spread rather that people finding it online and becoming convinced. As Somin put it earlier, it's a problem of demand, not supply.

The Cato Institute's Julian Sanchez agrees. "It's mostly not that people are being tricked, really; it's that when any view can find validation online somewhere, people give themselves permission to adopt the belief they prefer," Sanchez tweeted. "I'm pessimistic about most efforts to combat online misinformation for the same reason I expect the 'War on Drugs' will continue being won by the drugs: You can't fix a demand-side problem by targeting supply."

What does all of this have to do with political polarization? The idea that "bad information —> dysfunctional polarization story is probably backwards," suggests Yglesias.

In this view, it's American polarization that is driving the demand for false information, not the other way around.

But whether we start with polarization driving misinformation or vice versa, the problem is that these things become self-reinforcing, suggests Sanchez. "We believe false things that fit our identities because we're polarized.  But the false things we believe also magnify that polarization."

Which once again gets us back to the idea of demand. A polarized people want to believe the worst about the other side, incentivizing politicians and pundits to play up rumors and provide the worst possible analyses, even when these border on—or simply are—misinformation. A polarized people want to believe the worst about their "enemies," so they do.


FREE MINDS

Labor trafficking much more prevalent than sex trafficking on T Visa forms. "The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), an arm of the Department of Homeland Security, recently released a breakdown on 14 years of human-trafficking visas," notes Glenn Kessler at The Washington Post. You can find that full breakdown here. It's a long-undivulged look at T Visas, which are available for victims of sex or labor trafficking who are in the U.S. or at a port of entry "on account of" trafficking. Kessler provides an overview of the data:

The first headline in the fact sheet says "USCIS Has Received More Than 25,000 T Visa Applications and Approved More Than 17,000," but you have to read deeply into the document to learn that the total number of victims who received visas over the 14-year period was just 8,550, for both sex and labor trafficking. The other 8,860 visas were for derivative family members.

Most applications did not specify whether the applicant was a victim of sex trafficking or labor trafficking. Of the cases where that information was collected (about 16 percent of primary applicants), "74 percent listed labor trafficking as the form of trafficking while 39 percent listed sex trafficking; only 8.6 percent — 120 people — reported they were sex-trafficked as a minor," notes Kessler. "Some supplement B forms included both labor and sex trafficking, which is why the total adds up to more than 100 percent."


FREE MARKETS

Republican senators push back against no-fly list for disruptive passengers. The TSA "was created in the wake of 9/11 to protect Americans from future horrific attacks, not to regulate human behavior onboard flights," wrote Sens. Cynthia Lummis (Wyo.), Mike Lee (Utah), James Lankford (Okla.), Marco Rubio (Fla.), Kevin Cramer (N.D.), Ted Cruz (Texas), John Hoeven (N.D.), and Rick Scott (Fla.) in a Monday letter. They said that the list would equate people who refuse to wear masks with terrorists.

"Homeland security is homeland security," said Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, in a response statement. "Our flights are under attack by a small number of people and it has to stop. … This is not about 'masks,' and the worst attacks have nothing to do with masks. You're either for protecting crew and passengers from these attacks or you're against."

"​​Airlines maintain their own lists of passengers who are barred from traveling but don't share information with other carriers," notes The Washington Post. It's unclear why they couldn't simply share this information on their own instead of having the government create a federal list that would legally bar people from any air travel.

The no-fly list idea is being pushed by Delta's CEO, who wrote in a February 3 letter to the U.S. attorney general that he seeks support for "putting any person convicted of an on-board disruption on a national, comprehensive, unruly passenger 'no-fly' list that would bar that person from traveling on any commercial air carrier. This action will help prevent future incidents and serve as a strong symbol of the consequences of not complying with crew member instructions on commercial aircraft."

(Because we all know how well the existing no-fly list has worked out… )

"This is not the first time politicians have touted the no-fly list as a solution to the crisis du jour," C.J. Ciaramella wrote last year in response to calls for a no-fly list to address people participating in riots. "A common refrain during the Obama administration, echoed by both major-party presidential nominees in 2016, was that people in the FBI's Terrorist Screening Database, which includes the no-fly list, should not be allowed to buy guns. But "using the list to abridge civil liberties was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. The no-fly list is a civil liberties nightmare: secretive and nearly impossible to challenge."


FOLLOWUP

Charges dropped against a woman whose DNA collection spurred controversy in San Francisco. We noted yesterday that San Francisco officials were pushing back against the use of DNA collected as part of sexual assault investigations being used to search for criminal suspects among alleged victims. The city's district attorney, Chesa Boudin, said on Monday one woman's DNA collected as part of a domestic violence investigation had been used years later to convict her of a property crime. Boudin announced yesterday that he had dropped the charges against that woman.


QUICK HITS

• Colorado's Democratic Gov. Jared Polis "formally declared Colorado's emergency over all the way back in July. He allowed local jurisdictions to implement mandates as they saw fit — his hometown of Boulder, for example, still has an indoor mask requirement — but rescinded nearly all COVID-related statewide executive orders." And his "approach appears to be working, both in terms of public health and his own political fortunes," notes New York magazine.

• Robert Califf has been confirmed as commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration.

• "Access to the Capitol is just one part of the pandemic's nationwide disruption of people's interactions with the government," writes Haley Byrd Wilt.

• Another racial epithet story that resulted in a teacher being put on leave.

• Small U.S. donors raised around half of a crowdfunding site's donations to the Canadian trucker convoy protesting COVID-19 mandates.

• Has the idea that Canadians are "moderate, rule-following and just plain nice" been "a myth all along?"

• Biden's antitrust crusade targets alcohol.

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  1. Is misinformation a supply problem or a demand problem?

    The War on ________ rules dictate you attack both the dealers and the users.

    1. its a linguistic problem ... and the problem stems from the dishonesty of the 'journalist' and political classes

      1. https://twitter.com/TomBevanRCP/status/1493940597652131844?t=lJwbPasQazMsivJL7vszXQ&s=19

        Holy f*ck, @LasVegasSun. This editorial was written after the alleged shooter, Quintez Brown, was identified as a left-wing BLM activist.
        [Link]

        1. https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2022/feb/16/escalating-hateful-rhetoric-leads-nation-down-a-da/

          "alleged shooter, a 21-year-old political activist, was arrested near the scene and later charged with attempted murder along with four counts of wanton endangerment.

          While there’s been no indication yet that the activist had ties to any right-wing organizations, the shooting comes amid a rise in threats against politicians fueled by increasingly violent rhetoric coming from extremist Republicans."

          1. They made him do it…..

          2. That's just "spin".

          3. ::Black liberationist acolyte whose social media parroted CRT-rooted assumptions about race tries to cap a Jewish Democrat::
            ::Marxist "journalists": "Unfortunately, we couldn't tie this directly to right-wing extremism, but here's how it's still their fault."::

            1. How does a commie newspaper even exist in Las Vegas of all places?

              1. "Modern journalism" is the answer, and that's not an exaggeration. These schools, like much of academia, are entirely devoted now to pumping out radical left propagandists.

    2. The War on ____cheap plastic flutes____ rules dictate you attack the ignorance of those who might otherwise become HARDENED CRIMINALS, since they did not know the FACTS about "lung flutes"!

      To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!

    3. And the Wars on _____ have really worked out great!

        1. The right people are now in charge.

    4. I'm going to say that the whole "misinformation" obsession is mostly about censoring people who challenge the media's preferred narratives. Of course there is a lot of just plain false information out there. But truth is a hard thing to nail down and a lot of what is being called "misinformation" is really in areas where what the facts are is not settled or widely agreed upon (like pretty much anything covid related).

    5. The problem is that there is no 'misinformation'

      What is called 'misinformation' are facts that undermine the leftist narrative.

      Like 'sex is binary'

      or 'masks are ineffective'

      or 'the vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting or spreading covid'

      Misinformation is altering the definition of 'vaccine' so that it corresponds to cover for the existence of those facts.

    6. Is misinformation a supply problem or a demand problem?

      Yes. Next question.

      Misinformation is the human condition.

      As long as Omniscience is a self-contradictory, logically-impossible thing, there will always be misinformation.

      Omniscience contradicts both Volition and Omnipotence, since Omniscience means the ability to predict the future which means the future is set and not subject to change.

      Also, Omniscience means inability to ignore, evade, or forget, again contradicting Volition and Omnipotence.

      Finally, Omniscience means knowledge without acquisition and without verification, which is an ult8mate contradiction in terms.

      The only human solution to human misinformation is to use the evidence provided by the senses to aquire more information and the faculty of Reason to verify that information corresponds to objective reality, for now and for always.

      A tall order, to be sure, but it's what makes us human. No God exists to do it for us and no Government can do or need do or should do for us what we each can do for ourselves, so just do it and enjoy it!

      And now for an exceptionally misinformation-filled look at the News, here's Dan Rowan and Dick Martin of Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In. You Bet Your Sweet Bippy!
      https://youtu.be/ycdIJNRczhU

    7. Matthew Yglesias weighing in on Misinformation is just sublime.

      Reason and The Roundup has about 80,000% too much MY content

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  2. ...the narrative that "misinformation"—be it from Russian bots, random conspiracy theorists, your grandpa's Facebook feed, or professional media—is both a growing problem and a root cause of current political dysfunction.

    Heaven forbid what you say be challenged. Your ideas would be in grave danger of improving.

    1. I remember the days people promoted discourse.

      1. Unfortunately the world has moved on. Who needs to challenge their thinking when there are 1000 studies explaining that you are right, no matter which opinion you have?

        This is why I continue to insist that as you go higher in governance, from the local up to the national, facts matter less and ethics/morals matter more. It was pragmatic "facts" that led the country to enact extremely immoral rules for dealing with the pandemic. That the facts are now turning out to have been wrong doesn't change the fact that forcing others to lock down, mask up and inject themselves with chemicals was immoral. Even if they HAD been correct facts, they would have still remained immoral.

        1. Look, if both the government and government-sponsored pundits and sycophants say something is true, that should settle the matter.

        2. The world has indeed moved on. While the right and center have become less religious, the left has become evangelical. Discourse is now blasphemy.

        3. Unfortunately the world has moved on. Who needs to challenge their thinking when there are 1000 studies explaining that you are right, no matter which opinion you have?

          This is why I've said before that Jon Stewart (and to a lesser extent, Colbert) becoming a political sage for Gen-Xers and Millennials when he took over the Daily Show from Kilborn was an absolute disaster for reducing polarization.

          Stewart has always promoted the pretense that political disagreement from the left-liberal consensus was "divisive and dangerous," and thus readily mocked anyone who didn't cleave to that ideology as stupid and out of touch. Just watch audience feedback during the rare times that he strays outside that established narrative, such as when he pointed out that COVID coming out of a lab had legitimate merit as an origin--the audience starts groaning and tittering nervously, and Jon begins stammering because he suddenly realized that he's expressing wrongthink.

          His mindset that "disagreement is bad," instilled in 1.5 generations of Americans who are basically running the country now, is what's preventing robust discourse from taking place.

          1. His appearance on Crossfire effectively shat upon the concept of political discourse in this country.

            1. Yep, that ultimately was the turning point, even if most people might not realize it, because that was his praxis throughout his entire run on the Daily Show. It's not an accident that all the people who worked there and have gone on to do their own projects are giant shitlibs who still act as if it's 2005.

              He and his colleagues are at the root of why "people can't talk to each other" anymore, and he doesn't have the wisdom to realize it.

            2. I have mixed feelings on that appearance (I think it was only 1? with Tucker?). He did drop a lot on them that a news program (or program on news network) needed to hear, and frankly if he would go on CNN and drop those same lines on them today it would be absolutely appropriate and necessary.

              I guess the bigger issue with him is one that gets pointed out frequently. He was fine cracking jokes and pointing out hypocrisy when Bush was in. And most of America was too. Because Bush deserved a lot of shit, and he was a terrible president. But that is when it was actually edgy and part of the counter-culture to be of the left-liberal ideology. That has completely flipped now. Those same folks are basically a little Hitler youth for the DNC apparatus now, and "fighting the power" is pretty much the opposite of what they do. "Squashing discourse/dissent" is more like it. Now that Stewart has to keep those people happy, he's more part of the problem than a voice against it.

              Today the only person he would likely give real criticism to is Fox news, he would never actually go on CNN/MSNBC (the people who desperately need a shaking) and give them the same speech he did back then. And thats the problem.

              I do think moments mentioned above when he tries to speak any "heresy" to his crowds met with awkward groans, or the moment on Colbert with the lab leak, he probably gets some glimpse that he has helped create a generation of unfunny, overly P.C, anxious people with an authoritarian streak, and I hope that does make him feel at least a little embarrassed.

        4. The idea that policy can be guided by science is a really bad one.

          1. The idea that policy IS science... or scientific is an even worse one.

        5. Not advocating initiating force, but fact: Everything is chemicals, M'Lady. *Tips face shield with nitrile-gloved hands wearing rubber apron.*

        6. We moved on from absolute truth defined by God to relativism and “your truth” to absolute truth defined by government in the span of 50* years.

          Are our heads reeling?

          *I understand academia has been doing this longer, but the mainstreaming of it has been in a much tighter window. I blame the uptick in universal university education that really began in the 80s.

    2. Pithy... But beside the point.

      People don't want "misinformation" stamped out so that they don't have to challenge their own thinking.

      They want *other people* to be protected from hearing anything that challenges their orthodoxy. Because that is way easier than sharpening your arguments.

      1. The left at this point is clearly aware they have no actual argument that people would broadly support.
        Hence everything they say is predicated on lies, brainwashing, and the necessary censorship they require.

        1. Exactly the case. They can't defend their actions so they'll simply punish you for not going along.

          1. Luckily we have the writers ar Reason to point out that telling them to stop doing that is worse than punishing people for wrongthink.

  3. So, nothing happened in Canada?

    1. Being able to seize people bank accounts for supporting the opposing party is totally libritarian

      1. So that’s it? All quiet now? No new developments? No longer important?

        1. Another province just tossed its mandates. This time Canada's biggest, Ontario.

          The truckers still aren't giving in. As Trudeau and pals are personally motivated by greed and have no strong principles, this is baffling to them.

          Safetyist keyboard warriors everywhere are apocalyptic with rage that people are calling them fascists.

          1. you hate to see it... lol

          2. Go truckers! Hold the line!

          3. I read that 5 premiers have also come out against the Emergency Powers order. There were a couple that even specifically requested that it not apply to their province.

            1. Yeah. Canadian provinces are pretty much states as Canada is a federal system like the US. A premier has a lot of clout in the system because there are only ten provinces versus fifty states.
              So four provinces condemning Trudeau publicly and one province turfing mandates is a pretty big lose for Zoolander.
              With the notable exception of British Columbia, those are also five of the six biggest provinces and make up 82% of Canada's population.

      2. While I do appreciate that Reason brought that up yesterday, it was more of a crypto-focused article. It wasn't "Holy fuck, the PM of a Western, liberal nation has declared martial law to crack down on peaceful protestors!", it was more, "What does it mean for crypto now that the Canadian government is restricting their finances."

        I think that the latter is an interesting after action philosophical question. But the former is important. On Jan 6, and in the wake of the Floyd Riots, and when Federal Officers were arresting rioters in Portland, there were wall to wall articles dealing with the issues. Here we have the 51st state of the union declaring martial law over a sit in, and there is just a discussion about Crypto?

        It isn't necessarily that I think they are biased...I just don't think they even realize this is a big deal. You can tell by looking at what they are talking about on Twitter (Checking back to 2/10):

        ENB: No direct tweets about Canada. No retweets.
        Billy Binion: No direct tweets, and one Retweet arguing that the Right is hypocritical for supporting trucker protests that block traffic.
        Soave: 4 Retweets (Liz's Opinion on Crypto, and just news about the martial law, and one Right Wing criticism of blocking traffic). And on 2/11 a bunch of "Conservatives and Leftists are hypocrites"
        KMW: Nothing (though she doesn't tweet much)
        Welch: 1 tweet criticizing CNN reporting. 1 Retweet of the GFM crackdown.
        Teh Jacket: Tweeted about the Reason Podcast where the protests were discussed as a consequence of political division.

        Overall, these people are talking more about the Super Bowl than they are concerned about martial law being declared to deal with peaceful protestors.

        So while I get that they have discussed it obliquely, the concern I have is that the Reason staff doesn't seem at all troubled about the actual act of a national government claiming emergency war powers to deal with people protesting it for redress.

        1. Even the question of "hypocrisy" is an academic one that, either deliberately or not, misses the forest for the trees.

          What's being missed here is that the BLM riots and destruction had the unequivocal support of the nation's establishment--academia, global mega-corporations, the Chamber of Commerce, the entire mass media complex, civic law enforcement, and mainstream politicians, including the current President and VP, the latter of whom promoted organizations set up to bail out the rioters. BLM blatantly acted as an appendage of the DNC, the media manufactured a consensus, and the corporations endorsed the actions.

          The bottom line here is that there's an unequivocal double standard when it comes to what the establishment considers a legitimate protest or not. A legitimate one advances left-liberal ideology, no matter what kind of destruction and death occurs in its wake. An illegitimate one challenges left-liberal ideology, no matter how peaceful it might actually be. We can call it hypocrisy, and that's fine, but really it just boils down to the establishment protecting its own.

          1. When BLM was looting and burning entire cities to the ground, using these kinds of emergency powers was roundly rejected by everyone at Reason, as a gross violation of civil rights and a dangerous power grab by the federal government.

            There is none of that now.

        2. It's not a peaceful protest! You can tell they are violent from all the people attacking them!

        3. People protesting a national lockdown that explicitly violated the charter of human rights that's codified in the country. The last living member who was a signatory on the charter is suing the Canadian government over these violations. The significance of that can't be understated. And that man, former PM of Newfoundland couldn't even get anyone in the Canadian media to return his calls. That would be the equivalent of Thomas Jefferson saying, "Whoa, I think we have some constitutional violations that go against the word and spirit of the document" and the Millennial reporter from the New York Times has him sent to voicemail.

          1. What we are seeing is that ANY protest the progressive narrative dislikes is, de facto, an insurrection.

          2. That would be the equivalent of Thomas Jefferson saying, "Whoa, I think we have some constitutional violations that go against the word and spirit of the document" and the Millennial reporter from the New York Times has him sent to voicemail.

            That's a perfect summation and I'm going to steal that.

            1. Dude is the ONLY living signatory on Canadian Charter of Human Rights. Think about that. And he's saying the COVID response is a massive statutory violation of the entire thing.

        4. Billy Binion: one Retweet arguing that the Right is hypocritical for supporting trucker protests that block traffic

          Did he fucking really??!!

          Why does that little twat even have a job here? He's far better suited ideologically for Huffington Post.

      3. Reason wrote a post about crypto, which had some info about Canada.

  4. Days since ENBs last yegalsias reffrence: 0

    1. She loves him. She wants to have, like, 10,000 of his babies.

      1. Like a true feminist se wants to get pregnant than abort

        1. Kind of an odd comment about someone who just had a baby.

      2. And have him pimp for her.

      3. On her face?

    2. Keep up the good work.

    3. He is her favorite MDM free choice.

    4. Well, rather surprisingly, Yglesias has had a lot of pretty sensible takes lately.

      1. He is a lier with no credibility

      2. Yglesias has had a lot of pretty sensible takes lately.

        Nope.

        Sadbeard is still Sadbeard.

        1. That may be so, but it doesn't mean he can never have any sensible things to say.

  5. Anyone hear anything about some spying scandal?

    1. Using the government to falsify evidence against an elected polititions who isn't in the regime is totally libritarian

    2. It wasn't spying. It was defending the country against a Russian agent.

      1. It wasn't spying, it was just surreptitious electronic surveillance

        1. Its only spying if you can prove malicious intent.

    3. "It is just meta data."

    4. Racist!

    5. Local story.

    6. Pleather is too busy thinking about tired Boomer shit. I expect a piece on why Kenny G and the 'Dead' were superior to, and instrumental in bringing about punk rock any day now.

      1. Now that would be some circuitous, asshole-through-the-ear, long, strange trippin' to make the connection.

  6. ...I think a lot of excessive worry about "misinformation" is driven by the erroneous belief that more factual information would resolve political disputes.

    The worry is mostly about how it leaks past the gatekeeping.

    1. If the label "misinformation" is being applied to factual information, then a lack of factual information is not the problem.

      1. Government science is never wrong. It is just evolving. Ask Lysenko.

        1. In the US, he would get an Emmy. Or run the NIH and CDC.

        2. All bona fide science is evolving with evidence.

          Government "science" stays put until it goes extinct. Then government picks out something new to be "science."

          From Geo-Centric Universes created by words to Astrology and Necromancy for guiding Kings to Lysenko trying agriculture in Siberia to "Aryan Logic" vs. "Jewish Logic" leading to death camps to using "Paranormal Research" in The Cold War to WHO funding Witch Doctors.

          Science in service to Power is a dismal one indeed.

  7. people aren't as gullible as many assume

    Did you know that "gullible" is not actually in the dictionary?

    1. I’m not falling for that.

    2. OMG, really?!

    3. What about HO2?

    4. No. I checked. It is. Doh!

  8. Known BLM activist who tried to shoot a political candidate is once again known as a blm activist. He appeared in cable news as such. So how does the media cover it? From the Las Vegas Sun:

    The alleged shooter, a 21-year-old political activist, was arrested near the scene and later charged with attempted murder along with four counts of wanton endangerment.

    While there’s been no indication yet that the activist had ties to any right-wing organizations, the shooting comes amid a rise in threats against politicians fueled by increasingly violent rhetoric coming from extremist Republicans.

    The New York Times documented this trend in a story last week based on a review of more than 75 indictments related to threats against lawmakers since 2016.

    White Mike nods in agreement.

    1. Need notarized membership cards.

    2. I really wonder what goes through someone's head that writes that. The writer can't rationalize this as not having all the facts or wishful thinking. You'd actually have to sit down to the table with the mindset that your only goal is to spin this do it doesn't hurt your favorite party.

      1. Look, if you don't care about the facts it makes it much easier to hit your deadlines with much more satisfying stories than reality provides.

      2. Its a certain type of retardation. For many morons on the left, only evil-doers, aka right-wingers, would ever use a gun.

      3. I really wonder what goes through someone's head

        A whistling wind. Se Fiona Harrigan or Eric Boehm.

      4. what goes through their head:

        "My boss/editor/supervisor is going to have my job if I post they are affiliated with the noble BLM, so I better blame it on the racist republicans. And who cares if its wrong, their racist bigoted terrorists anyways"

        something like that I would assume

    3. When this was first reported the comments on huf post were all typical, its right wingers war on democracy. I'm sure they all took that back by now NOT

  9. SleepyJoe wants everyone to buy electric cars, but will “work like the devil “ to reduce gas prices.
    Is this a reasonable stance after stopping pipeline construction?

    1. "Work like the devil" can be taken in more than one way.

    2. Bidens plan to lower gas prices
      1. Molest child
      2 invade ukraine
      3 something
      4 profit

      1. Eat ice cream

        1. 1a. Molest children
          1b. Eat ice cream
          2a. Invade Ukrainian
          2b. Eat ice cream
          Etc..

          1. C'mon, Man! It's Jello Pudding!

      2. 5 leave a dead dog on someone’s doorstep.

    3. The devil is also known as the father of lies.

      1. The Devil doesn't exist but Pudding Cup Joe does, M'Lady. The latter is more reason to weep, wa8l, and gnash teeth.

        *Raises parfait glass and tips fedora.*

  10. I like that the guy above has a Megadeth patch. Peace sells but who's buying?

      1. Daily wire is wingnut.com

        1. Ad Hominem ignorance is common operating procedure for leftists.

          What was wrong with the information in the article?

    1. Way to copy my stichk

      1. Build your own counter!

      2. "Imitation is the sincerest form of plagiarism" -Doris Kearns Goodwin

    2. “WarnerMedia’s statement tonight is an attempt to retaliate against me and change the media narrative in the wake of their disastrous handling of the last two weeks. It is deeply disappointing that after spending the past nine years defending and upholding CNN’s highest standards of journalistic integrity, I would be treated this way as I leave,” she wrote.

      So she spent nine years defending the firing squads and found herself in front of them. Literally zero sympathy.

      1. "CNN’s highest standards of journalistic integrity"

        Their lowest standards get you your own show.

        1. As far as I can tell Cuomo was their biggest and highest paid prime time star. Helped his brother while reporting on him, tried to silence his brothers accusers and pass along info to the gov.

          And to boot, the producer of his show was a pedo who was recruiting multiple little tweens to teach them about sex.

          So in summary...pretty much exactly right!

  11. Republican senators push back against no-fly list for disruptive passengers.

    Why won't this party sign on to the pacification of the American people?

    1. Republicans just want to pacify different demographics of the American people.

        1. He’s talking about violent criminals.

      1. Cite?

    2. Push back? They must be tuckered out from all the pouncing. (ISWIDT)

  12. You're either for protecting crew and passengers from these attacks or you're against.

    YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR YOU'RE AGAINST US

    1. strong symbol of the consequences of not complying…

      It’s not about safety.

    2. "It's unclear why they couldn't simply share this information on their own instead of having the government create a federal list that would legally bar people from any air travel."

      While perhaps it isn't clear, I think it's quite obvious.

    3. The TSA "was created in the wake of 9/11 to protect Americans from future horrific attacks, not to regulate human behavior onboard flights,"

      Uh, duh? Stopping 9/11-style horrific attacks involves some form of regulating human behavior onboard flights!

      A secret, un-checked, no-appeal no-fly list shouldn't be a response, but damnit, a airline flight is not a Goddamn bouncy-house.

      Maybe the "regulating" needs to be done with the ultimate social distancing tool of armed pilots, attendants, passengers, somebody. It works damn well with El Al flights from Israel, so why don't U.S. Congresscritters take a lesson now on 22 years after 9/11.

    1. Accounting is just a tool of white supremacy.

      1. Not if 2 + 2 = 5.

      2. they can always just point to "hey they never taught us how to actually add and subtract in school!"

        CRT, a multi purpose solution!

    2. only a racist white supremacist would even be looking into this.

  13. "Homeland security is homeland security," said Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA

    Who could argue with *that*? Why, even Ayn Rand noted 'A is A'.

    1. It's the department of homeLAND security, not homesky security

      1. We can only have security when everyone has an old tee shirt strapped across their face.

  14. Another source of misinformation: Hillary Clinton’s campaign hacking candidate and President Trump’s servers to create a narrative, that they passed on to the intelligence community to initiate investigations to remove him from office, and to the media to lie to the public about it.

    Including Reason, who played along as pawns, and is now either too embarrassed to report on the spying, or has been instructed by their attorneys not to comment because they were involved.

    1. Further proof that sullum is a retard. What are the odds he writes 50+ articles about how he was wrong

    2. I am amazed at how many people actually believed in this Russian nonsense from the beginning.

      I've got friends who are still all in that Russia helped Trump steal the election in 2016, while simultaneously mocking all concerns about 2020 election improprieties as delusional conspiracy theories. It's amazing to watch.

    3. Can't we just move on as a nation.

      1. What difference, at this point, does it make?

      2. And get along? No chance! 😉

    1. Ah, bureaucracy. The Board approves optional masks, and the schools close to protect their precious state funding. Does this constitute local control? The closing was technically voluntary, after all.

      Despite state Superintendent Chris Reykdal’s call to end mask mandates, he warned that schools could risk losing funding if they are not in compliance with Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s mask mandate.

      In northeast Washington, Kettle Falls School Board also voted Monday to make masks optional. Reykdal put Kettle Falls School District on notice with a letter saying it had “willfully failed to comply with the mask mandate.”

      “Failure to follow the law and executive orders may lead to [the Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction] withholding, and eventually reducing, your funding; and you may have personal liability if you willfully violate a law, safety order, or executive order,” Reykdal wrote.

    2. I’m taking my ball and I’m going home!

      1. I never had a "ball" in the game, so a double "fuck-you" to the Educrats! 🙂

  15. And his "approach appears to be working, both in terms of public health and his own political fortunes," notes New York magazine.

    Well, if that's what it takes to win with the voter, the Democrats don't want it.

    1. True. In Colorado, many born-again Democrats are questioning Polis' ethics.

      1. The Denver media, left-wing nearly to a person, has been absolutely SEETHING that Polis didn't lock the state down for two years and ruin the life of anyone who didn't conform to their stupid brand of Branch Covidianism.

        What they never understood is that Polis is not a stupid man, and he knew full well after getting in fights over this with places outside the Denver metro area in 2020, that any effort to impose those measures would just lead to more strife and wasted resources trying to enforce them. He's actually taken a moderate road on this and made himself far more electable in the process; even in a year where the Democrats are looking to get emulsified, I expect Polis will win in a landslide simply because he didn't go out of his way to piss off Republicans like his party and their media mouthpieces wanted him to do. If he hadn't taken a calmer, live-and-let-live approach, he'd be in the fight of his political life.

      2. Did you mean born-again Californians?

  16. "Biden's antitrust crusade targets alcohol."

    That's OK. As long as Biden doesn't target any of the bodily choices we left-libertarians really care about. Which is pretty much limited to access to abortion care.

    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. Don’t forget the other cornerstones of freedom, smoking pot and asssex.

      1. I guess since the Super Bowl is over, sportsball betting is off the list?

        1. I’m sure they’re working on a few for March Madness.

      2. And delicious food trucks, which is a corollary of the pot and Mexicans.

  17. Access to the Capitol is just one part of the pandemic's nationwide disruption of people's interactions with the government...

    Public schooling is government.

  18. Robert Califf has been confirmed as commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration.

    Ha, more Big Pharma ties to the FDA.

    1. The Califfate.

      1. TALK ABOUT WORDS NOT IN THE DICTIONARY

      2. Save that for Newsom.

  19. Another racial epithet story that resulted in a teacher being put on leave.

    Any group, once it has a tool of power, is loathed to give it up.

  20. NOAA 2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report

    Rise in the next three decades is anticipated to be, on average: 10 - 14 inches (0.25 - 0.35 meters) for the East coast; 14 - 18 inches (0.35 - 0.45 meters) for the Gulf coast; 4 - 8 inches (0.1 - 0.2 meters) for the West coast; 8 - 10 inches (0.2 - 0.25 meters) for the Caribbean; 6 - 8 inches (0.15 - 0.2 meters) for the Hawaiian Islands; and 8 - 10 inches (0.2 - 0.25 meters) for northern Alaska.

    HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!

    1. …. is anticipated to be….

      LOL

      1. "Oh, very well. 'Experts anticipate ....'"

    2. Let me see past data and their modeled v's measured data. Spoiler, they have never been right

    3. This is from so long ago I lost the citation:
      Adviser Daniel Patrick Moynihan, notable as a Democrat in the administration, urged the administration to initiate a worldwide system of monitoring carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, decades before the issue of global warming came to the public's attention.
      There is widespread agreement that carbon dioxide content will rise 25 percent by 2000, Moynihan wrote in a September 1969 memo.
      "This could increase the average temperature near the earth's surface by 7 degrees Fahrenheit," he wrote. "This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10 feet. Goodbye New York. Goodbye Washington, for that matter."
      Wrong then (1969), wrong now (2022). "Widespread" agreement does not constitute truth; see flat earth.
      I was taught that carbon dioxide was necessary for plant life; has that changed?

      1. This proves the initial premise was wrpng.

      2. Actually, kinda too bad that sea level did not rise 10 ft, at least in NY and DC.

      3. The climate alarmists have been predicting "in 25 years!" disaster scenarios for over 50 years now, usually on a 5-10 year basis.

        Now they just claim that global warming will kill us all if we don't immediately implement their latest social engineering "sustainability" schemes.

        1. 25?

          Aoc said the world would END in 12.

          1. She is counting in congressional terms now...

      4. Is this the citation? This, in turn, cites Associated Press:

        Documents show Moynihan warned Nixon about global warming in 1969
        https://www.syracuse.com/news/2010/07/documents_show_moynihan_warned.html

    4. Apparently sea level rise and cold fusion each have a standing agreement to let the other go first.

      1. A suicide pact?

    5. Look, it's raining right now in Arizona. If that's not a sign of the end of days, what is?

      1. It’s also pretty cold out.

    6. Why do we pay these people to sit around and fill thier diapers as full as possible?

      1. Are you talking about Pudding Cup Joe?

    7. Ballsy to make predictions like that that fall within one's own lifetime.

      1. Why? Nobody’s been called to account for previous examples.

    8. OH NO! Will anybody save the Obamas?

  21. The days without yglesias counter got reset again...

    1. But the nothing happened in Canada counter clicks once more.

  22. Small U.S. donors raised around half of a crowdfunding site's donations to the Canadian trucker convoy protesting COVID-19 mandates.

    Material support for foreign terrorism.

    1. Your terrorist is my freedom fighter.

  23. Three progressives members of the San Francisco Board of Education were successfully recalled by the voters last night.

    "The recall was a victory for parents who were angered that the district spent time deciding whether to rename a third of its schools last year instead of focusing on reopening them. It also appeared to be a demonstration of Asian American electoral power, a galvanizing moment for Chinese voters in particular who turned out in unusually large numbers for the election.

    "In echoes of debates in other cities, many Chinese voters were incensed when the school board introduced a lottery admission system for Lowell High School, the district’s most prestigious institution, abolishing requirements primarily based on grades and test scores."

    ----The New York Times

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/16/us/san-francisco-school-board-recall.html

    The election was a landslide, with the vote to recall each of the three by more than 70%.

    Education was a winning issue for Republicans in the Virginia election for governor.

    Education almost won the day in New Jersey.

    Even in deep blue San Francisco, voters oppose renaming schools for signaling reasons, pandemic lockdowns, and watering down a meritocracy system for getting into the best schools--despite charges of inequity and racism.

    This won't mean radical change in San Francisco because their government is so progressive and elitist--the mayor appoints the members of the Board of Education (and they only stand for election after they've been on the board for two years). The interesting thing is that if the education issue can make deep blue San Francisco recall progressives on their school board, what does that mean for progressives in lighter blue districts all over the country come November?

    A very wise man once said, "It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall".

    1. Good, parents looking long and hard at the schools educating their children is a situation that can only result in improvements at this time.

    2. P.S.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5al0HmR4to

      P.P.S.

      "In echoes of debates in other cities, many Chinese voters were incensed when the school board introduced a lottery admission system for Lowell High School . . .

      They keep referring to "Chinese voters", but they're actually American voters of Chinese ancestry.

      Remember that time the social justice warriors got bent out of shape because Trump referred to Covid-19 as, "the Chinese virus"? Why is The New York Times referring to Americans who vote against progressives as "Chinese"? It certainly isn't because the Times' editors are oblivious to political correctness. Maybe they'll correct it. Maybe they're just trying to other Americans of Chinese ancestry.

      1. I found it distasteful.

        1. You should have seen the original draft
          "those equity hating ching-Chang slant eyes want to destroy the American people by voting against the progressive agenda"

      2. Ken, try to keep up. Asian-American is no longer a "minority" and worthy of protection (or rhetorical value).

        1. They're just paler whites.

    3. “the mayor appoints the members of the Board of Education (and they only stand for election after they've been on the board for two years).”

      Well that’s quite fucked.

      1. It's a one party government, and it's been that way for decades.

        The Roman empire wasn't destroyed in a day.

        1. We just had a Republican presidency for four years. He made major Supreme Court appointments. You yourself are predicting Congress will swing back to Republicans in the next midterms.

          But it’s important to push the conservative victimhood narrative.

          1. Lol. That was your take.

          2. I don't think SF will be electing a lot of Republicans.

            1. In SF if you're not an outright stalinist you are considered right wing.

          3. Just when I thought I was all out of

            WHOOSH!

          4. There's a lot of sealions in San Francisco (what is it, pier 82 or something) , whyd you try changing the subject?

      2. Remember, only Republicans hate democracy.

    4. https://www.google.com/search?q=lyrics+the+times+are+a+changing&rlz=1C1AWFC_enUS829US829&oq=lyrics+the+times+are+a+changing&aqs=chrome..69i57.13329j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

      Come senators, congressmen
      Please heed the call
      Don't stand in the doorway
      Don't block up the hall
      For he that gets hurt
      Will be he who has stalled
      The battle outside ragin'
      Will soon shake your windows
      And rattle your walls
      For the times they are a-changin'

      1. In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand
        At the mongrel dogs who teach

    5. We shall see. Canadian voters need to oust Trudeau.. that much is obvious.

      New York got rid of Cuomo, but that was internicene warfare, not a citizen revolt.

      Whitmer is still in place.

      Newsome.
      Where is Portland, Minneapolis, etc? They still have the mayors who enabled riots and enacted crazy lockdowns in place.

      Come on people!

      Speaking of.... A hard rain is coming to my town. In addition to plastic straw bans and stupid mask pronouncements, our city council has gone progressive on commerce. They are putting in a "pedestrian district" for fine dining and upscale shopping.

      To do so they are restricting the major artery through town. They aim to slow traffic by reducing lanes and restricting turns and eliminating queue space for turn lanes. The city manager said "slowing traffic will mean you get to your destination faster, because cars are closer together."

      So they are forcing all of the traffic onto residential side streets.

      Oh, and the "restaurant district" that is going to have all these nice plaza sidewalks for pedestrians? Yeah... There are zero restaurants there. And half of it is taken up by city hall and the library.

      Genius!!!!

      Freaking progressives.

      1. To add, Brown is still governor of OR; her policies can be linked to the issues with crime and government policy degrading individual rights.

      2. My friend just moved from your area to the other side, Bonita Springs.
        Says he's met with some suspicion because he's younger than most (he's in his 30s), but he's happy the area is much more sane (that is, conservative). This is a relatively apolitical Jewish guy who grew up in Jersey too.

      3. Hey, if they can't chase all practical (i.e. non-tourist) businesses out of downtown and make customers go to big-box stores on the edge of town, what will they complain about next?

      4. Well at least they moved away from trolleycars. BTW isn't "sidewalks for pedestrians" an open invitation to sue from the non legged population?

    6. Education almost won the day in New Jersey.

      Ciatarelli ran pretty single-mindedly on taxes, which I criticized. He lost the Asian-heavy suburban counties in the Central and North but performed above expectations in otherwise similar (and ironically lower-tax) counties in the Southwest. This, I think, enhances your point: right now, the GOP is in a stronger position on education, and if Ciatarelli had pushed the issue it may have been enough of a net-positive to get over the hump. But it's a good-government strategy that's winning for them, not a more-libertarian "school choice"-based one.

      The masking and other wedge issues have lower salience here in NJ: we're a lot less progressive than our voting record would have you think, and local control is pretty strong.

      1. We can push keeping school boards accountable to the parents. That's not the full throat school choice argument, but it's a fully libertarian prerequisite argument. Before we get real school choice on a massive scale, we need to get more people to want their schools to be accountable to parents. Once they really want their schools to be accountable to them, rather than have the schools dictate terms to the parents, school choice is the natural end.

    7. If it takes Chinese immigrants to kick CRT in the balls, I recommend we open our Eastern borders.

      1. A Kung-Fu kick, no less.

  24. If much of what is called misinformation is not untrue, then the whole thing is the elites having a moral panic about no longer being able to set a common narrative and the "misinformation" label is itself dishonest propaganda.

    1. Exactly this ^

    2. This guy gets it.

    3. Mis-information = mis-ideology

    4. Yep. That's the whole point of going on about "misinformation". Can't have anyone even thinking that there are questions to be asked.

  25. Has the idea that Canadians are "moderate, rule-following and just plain nice" been "a myth all along?"

    Stereotypes are always true.

    1. Has no one watched a hockey game?

      1. Not in person recently, in Montreal, at least last time I watched them play. I'm don't know if Trudeau or local swine are responsible, but I'm surprised Habs fans aren't rioting.

    2. Watch some of the Livestream from Viva Frei. He spent a few days walking the protest and talking to folks. Everyone was super polite. Even some of the counter protesters.

      The only ones who were not polite were the counterprosters organizers, who seemed to have gone through the same training as BLM/Antifa organizers in the US. They issued orders for people not to speak to him and harassed him.

      Even the police were polite as they repeatedly asked him to return to the sidewalk.

      1. The 'radical' left-leaning types, call them progressives, feminists, what have you, in Toronto and Ottawa have always been much like the BLM/antifa sorts in the states. Tiny-minded, intolerant, ignorant, reality-denying bigots who insist that the world cater to their irrational desires. Spoiled immature assholes, in other words. And, often affluent, 'well educated,' white, and female.

        1. interestingly, the people who were willing to speak on camera were not shy about sharing their views on state power. They believe we all are required to do as the state commands, for the greater good.

          They believe that Top Men know best. They were quite genuine and not at all the US stereotype "studies" major with lavender hair who screams about how she is being violated because someone didn't use the proper terminology when asking a question.

          They were the more scary sort of authoritarian. Polite. Perhaps even efficient. The kind who might actually make things happen because they seem safe enough.

          1. Borg

    3. It does seem to be true of the Canadian truckers. I've never seen a protest that is so positive, peaceful and polite.

      1. Even well behaved nice people have a line they won't cross.

        1. And won't let anyone else cross.

      2. That's a white supremacist trick to lull you.

  26. Heard on the radio: Canadian vaccine passport is being dropped.

    But they were pointed in saying this was in spite of the protest, not because the protest.

    The change has been in the works for a long time, and was totally the decision of the Canadian version of Fauci who was only following the science.

    1. this is like when someone trips and falls then gets up real quick and acts like they totally meant to do it.

    2. Ontario's dropping their vaccine passport requirements, not Canada (Although to an Ontarian that's the same thing).

    1. Sad

  27. Biden's antitrust crusade targets alcohol.

    The Three-Tier System?

    1. Or the three fifths system

  28. More generally, I think a lot of excessive worry about "misinformation" is driven by the erroneous belief that more factual information would resolve political disputes.

    When the validity of facts depends politics then of course facts don't make a difference. Especially when a lack of evidence is treated as evidence.

    1. Tell us more about how great masking is.

      1. It is known that if you block the miasma ingress to the body, it cannot affect you. This is clearly the science being followed.

        1. I think you're responding to something nobody claimed. Oh, it's JesseAZ. No wonder. He's really good at arguing against things a person never said nor did. As far as I can tell it's the only thing he's good at.

          1. He's really good at arguing against things a person never said nor did.

            Which is exactly what you are doing here.

            Irony, it's what's for dinner.

            1. I sometimes wonder if sarcasmic does it on purpose, just to make us laugh.

    2. Empty light beer bottles on your lawn is a good sign you drank all the piss water, even if the beer is all gone.

  29. Government propaganda is baked into the pie by an opaque national security apparatus and an unaccountable centralized banking system run by oligarchs. The pie is then disseminated slice by slice via the political class, legacy media "journalists," and social media apparatchiks. Our government is uniquely adept at creating wars, pandemics, dubious economic metrics, crises, and social unrest out of thin air.

    The war against "misinformation" is nothing more than the suppression of any idea or perspective that undermines the prevailing government narrative -- whatever it may be at any given time. The validity of the claim or assertion is never the operative criteria in determining whether something is "misinformation." The only operative criteria is the government gets to decide what is correct, and everything contrary to the government position is "misinformation," even if factually correct.

    The polarization we are witnessing is not primarily a phenomenon between groups of people in this country, but between the people and the government. The government, unfortunately, does a very good job of convincing millions that the biggest threat to their existence comes from other people, rather than the machinations of government.

    1. Except not "the government".

      The Party.

      Always the Party.

      Until the state is the party and the party is the state. Control over information is crucial to the creation of the one party state.

      1. Information cannot be controlled, only the people punished. In the Soviet Union, everyone spoke in whispers about things everybody knew -- and everybody knew the government lied about everything. But to speak about it was impermissible. The Soviets did not care at all about what the people did or did not know, but only that the people should be scared to speak openly for fear of immediate reprisals.

        Control over information is not what the government (or, as you state correctly, the party) desire, but control over the means of dispensing reprisals. We are now in a state where a large portion of the population support either direct or indirect government reprisal for speech code violations. In ten years time, absent some monumental political upheaval or a war, we will be living in a complete dictatorship.

  30. Like 'assault rifle', 'misinformation' is a made up word to facilitate propaganda.

    1. Ackshuyally, all words are made-up, M'Lady. The difference is by whom and to what end.

  31. no-fly list for disruptive passengers.

    Big Train playing 4D chess.

  32. What? No mention of the fake Durham scandal?

    Reason is part of the lamestream media!

    1. He look a pedo!

    2. LOL

      So how's the case against Drumpf proceeding? Recall it was nearly 9 months ago when you promised us The Dotard will join his convict team soon.

      What will he be convicted of? How long will the sentence be?

      #ItsMuellerTime

    3. Pick a story that you feel to be important that Reason didn't cover, make up something to explain why Reason didn't cover it, and then argue against it! Voila! You just proved that Reason is a progressive rag!

      1. Why would libertarians care about utilization of fbi and IC assets against a political candidate asked sarc.

      2. Also works against commenters!

        1. Like when you and sarc mute people then comment in their threads based off your guess of what they said?

          1. They're such jokes.

          2. I’m fact, here’s Dee doing this exact thing just 20 minutes before she made this comment:

            https://reason.com/2022/02/16/misinformation-or-political-dysfunction-which-comes-first/?comments=true#comment-9358661

        2. The tried and true ad hominem strawman one-two punch!

          1. Do you know what an ad hominem is as well as you know what a strawman is?

            1. *spoiler alert*
              He doesn't

      3. ElvisIsReal is going off on Reason in comments below, but it is part of promoting his Substack. I can respect that a bit, in that he at least has the purpose of promoting his own blog.

        1. The reason the 'blog' exists in the first place is because Reason sucks.

          1. Well, good luck with it.

      4. You're just cranky you and their writers get shit on everyday for being statists.

        If I was a reason writer I'd be embarrassed the only people defending me are the dinks like you.

    4. turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a pathological liar, a trafficker in kiddie porn and a TDS-addled asshole, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    5. Julian Sanchez explainer:

      https://twitter.com/normative/status/1493965939964092422?s=21

      “So is this all a big nothingburger? Well, no, not entirely. But (as with previous FISA stories), the right media’s desire to find a huge dramatic Watergate-level conspiracy is obscuring the kernel of a legitimate policy issue.”

      1. “ ‘So there IS, I think, a potential story and a serious policy issue here. It’s just about a million miles away from ‘ZOMG Killary hacked Trump's computers at the White House.’”

        1. Typical White Mike. "Its the reaction that's the issue, not the thing!"

      2. So in other words, "yes there's an issue but let's focus on the people-we-hate's reaction to it instead."

  33. The latest reporting from Brian Stelter

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/15/media/jeff-zucker-allison-gollust/index.html

    Another CNN executive out over Cuomo-gate.

    Because...

    "CNN has the highest journalistic standards".

    No, really.

    1. A executive other than Zucker?

      1. Allison Gollust.

        They are eating their own.

        But now the story is that it was not CNN. It was just a few bad apples. They are totes journalists now.

        1. It's gonna get fun when Cuomo launches his lawsuit and throws all the rest of zuckers dirty laundry out the window.

          That's what is causing all this. Cuomo wants to go scorched earth on CNN and is threatening to unleash the gossip. That's how zuckers hookup story got out, and why this lady was now forced out.

          1. So CNN is precleaning then. Fixing the issues ahead of a lawsuit, so there is no dirty laundry to air?

            1. Also... New owners that maybe are not down with being a party propagandist.

          2. Scorched earth? He's outright blackmailing them for $60 million. I'm surprised CNN's lawyers haven't done the Full Avenatti on him yet.

    2. "CNN has the highest journalistic standards".

      When measured against Pravda...

  34. "Robert Califf has been confirmed as commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration."

    I have lost all respect for the Senate. Are you fucking kidding me? This guy totally blew the opioid crisis....and I mean, he was just flat out wrong. And you 're-hire' him to his old job? Complete insanity.

    1. When you put the adults back in charge, why wouldn’t it be the same adults?

      1. Considering the occupant at 1600 Penn avenue....it 'depends'. 🙂

    2. Failure upward is the primary process for congress.

  35. I freely admit that my opinion on the death of John Kennedy — that he died by accident — is reinforced by my view that the world is funny, in both the ha-ha and strange sense. Kennedy's accidental death is a hilarious fuck-you to, not only JFK himself, but every other idea about how he died — to every conspiracy theorist, and every conspiracy theory opponent. They're all stupidly assuming his death was the result of one or more persons' wanting him dead, and are arguing about mere details of how many people that was, while ignoring the evidence that blind luck was the culprit. Not that Kennedy didn't deserve it anyway, of course.

    1. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

    2. Wait, John Kennedy died!?!

      1. QAnon Members re-group!

    3. Now this is a new one. I thought, as per the X-Men end of Marvel Cinematic Universe, that JFK was a Mutant that was murdered by Normies within the U.S. Government for being "one of them." 🙂

  36. Another slow news day in Canada, I see....

    Must be really boring up there right now, what with nothing going on.

    1. Maybe everyone is out tapping maple trees.

      1. Wouldn't that be sticky on the wickie?

    2. I wonder what Charlie Kirk thought of the halftime show?

  37. I think a lot of excessive worry about "misinformation" is driven by the erroneous belief that more factual information would resolve political disputes.

    I think a lot of excessive worry about misinformation is word salad gobbledygook churned out by journalistic hacks with looming deadlines so their column inches can be used to sell targeted online advertising.

    Jesus fucking Christ, it's the monkeys from Madagascar. "If you have any poo, fling it now."

  38. And his "approach appears to be working, both in terms of public health and his own political fortunes," notes New York magazine.

    Who'd of thunk, allowing local jurisdictions to determine their own path forward was a great effective means of governing? Certainly not Brandon.

    1. So..... Trump was right?

      1. Which time?

        He made some good statements and pushed back against calls to nationalize mask mandates - yes that was great.

        But then he also signed legislation nationalizing the response - COVID relief package, pushed Fauci front and center of the the response - no need to have him on TV every Wed and also confiscated the property of landlords through the CDC - all not so great.

        1. I was referring to the mask at a local level thing. He really dropped the ball by giving the cdc powers they should never have, hell he messed up by not trying tk shut them down compleatly. Also he should have fired fauci... Out of a cannon... Into a wall.

          1. Yeah, that's the problem with the big lug. One minute, it's go Trump, than he totally fucks it up; at least for me anyway.

            1. I'll always have the New Jersey Generals.

  39. "San Francisco recalls 3 members of city’s school board"
    [...]"San Francisco residents recalled three members of the city’s school board Tuesday for what critics called misplaced priorities and putting progressive politics over the needs of children during the pandemic.
    Voters overwhelmingly approved the recall in a special election, according to tallies by the San Francisco Department of Elections.
    “The voters of this city have delivered a clear message that the school board must focus on the essentials of delivering a well-run school system above all else,” Mayor London Breed said in a statement. “San Francisco is a city that believes in the value of big ideas, but those ideas must be built on the foundation of a government that does the essentials well.”[...]
    https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-school-board-elections-d22ee9c5175904885d41e149775102a5

    They decided to spend a ton of (non-existent) money to change school names and paint over murals. The tried to change entry criteria in a magnet school from merit to race. One of the stupid bitches whined that Asians got ahead by acting white and did so on-line.
    There are limits even in SF.

    1. Which is shocking. The leadership is so insane in California, its hard to Zuckerberg?., that the populace couldn't be behind it without the leadership losing their jobs.

  40. Zucker's love interest at CNN (senior management) has resigned. The Wall Street Journal had this to say about it:

    "The exits of Messrs. Zucker and Cuomo and Ms. Gollust come at a critical time for CNN. WarnerMedia is preparing to merge with Discovery Inc., a deal that Discovery executives view as an opportunity to reassess the network’s programming mix and streaming strategy."

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cnn-chief-marketing-officer-allison-gollust-resigns-11644972604?

    This is still all about AT&T selling the short because the ratings for progressive news are so bad.

    From voting results to market data on viewership, the message is clear: Progressivism--like disco and polyester leisure suits--has been played out. It was dominant for a long time, but so was Covid-19, and just like the pandemic, the progressive virus has exhausted itself. It's burned itself out. Facebook doesn't even really want to be a social media company anymore.

    Progressivism will come back in another form someday, but for now, just like with omicron, the progressive virus has crested. They may get an uptick here or there, but the overall trend for progressives is probably all downhill for the foreseeable future.

    1. That'd be nice, but I'll need a year or two if good news to believe it.

      1. Market forces always have their way, eventually, and I think there is an underserved market for straight news. In the future, most of us will be watching television news through a streaming app, and making CNN+ more appealing to the most people in the advertisers' most important demographics will be the only way to remain large and profitable.

        Discovery can sell Christian evangelicals from Texas, like Chip and Joanna Gaines, as a lifestyle brand to progressive viewers in California and New York. If they can do that, they can sell straight news to conservatives. It's just that CNN was relying on carriage fees, where you have to pay for the channel to be in your cable lineup whether you watch it or not, and the streaming revolution made that model obsolete.

        Whenever you think someone in an entrenched position is unassailable, always remember that everybody is subject to economic forces like they're subject to gravity. In business, you're either in harmony with those forces, or you eventually get ruined by them. And there's nowhere to hide from them. Market forces not only got rid of Cuomo at CNN, they decapitated the leadership at CNN. These are changes that have already happened.

        1. "...In business, you're either in harmony with those forces, or you eventually get ruined by them..."

          The 'Treaty of Detroit' was a result of GM's assumption that they only had to compete with US auto-makers, and they had something lose to 50% of the market at the time.

  41. Gaslighting: when ENB criticizes misinformation.

    1. If ENB was serious about being against misinformation she would invit yglasis over and commit murder suicide.

      And the proper term is Mrs information (waking for woke feminists to pull this one)

      1. Even Ms.Information would be transphobic, or something.

        1. Xeinformation.

          1. Language is racist! It should be just grunts and growls!

  42. "Misinformation" has essentially become defined as information that runs counter to the narrative provided by the Cathedral. But, the Cathedral is a closed ecosystem. So, you can think of it sort of like Apple, a walled garden. If that garden is well maintained, people will be happy to remain within that garden. The problem is that that walled garden has become unreliable, corrupt, self-serving and transparently dishonest. And the market realizes it. It's not that people want information that reinforces their biases (although I'm sure they do). It's that they know that the providers putatively unbiased information are not giving them fundamentally more accurate, honest, or reliable information.

    1. Sort of, but it’s not that simple.

      The Right really has been circulating a lot of misinformation within its echo chamber. This makes it easier for the Left to paint any and all information the Right believes as misinformation, even though some information circulating among the Right is factual.

      In other words, the Right is playing a role in making it easier for the Left to paint everyone on the Right as a nut because the Right does a poor job of calling out its own members for spreading misinformation and believing in nutty things.

      There is a similar vice versa dynamic. The bigger picture principle is all American political factions, including libertarians, are doing a poor job of “policing” their own.

      1. Cite for widely circulated right wing misinformation?

        I'll cite some leftwing misinformation widely going around.
        Vaccines prevent infection
        Vaccines prevent hospitalization
        Masks prevent infection
        Trump is a Russian agent
        Durham is a Russian agent
        Trump had bank accounts at alphabank
        Trump engaged in a quid pro quo in Ukraine
        Rittenhouse killed black people
        The truckers in Canada are all white supremacists
        The national teachers association totes wrote the letter asking for the doj and fbi to investigate students parents.
        Georgias new voting laws make it harder to vote

        A cop was murdered with a fire extinguisher on Jan 6th, 2021 **that's just for you, junior. Now twirl your propeller cap brrrrr**

        Ivermectin overdoses are so high gunshot victims can't get into the ER in snowy Oklahoma **that's just for you too junior. Why don't you post that rolling stone article again, then twirl your propeller cap whizzzzzz**

        The fbi was totes in the right continuously renewing fisa warrants on evidence they knew was both false and compiled by opposition political operatives.
        Hunter bidens laptop contains no evidence of corruption on his amd his father's behalf. Nor does it contain evidence of their pedophelua
        Ashley bidens diary, in which she claims Joe molested her in the shower as a child, is both simultaneously fake yet worthy of an fbi raid on a journalist

        Saying the virus came from china is the reason black people keep attacking Asians.
        Saying "freedom" means youre alt-right

        And I could keep going.

        I'll await your cites that never come.

      2. Unsurprisingly, you missed the point.

        It's the utter failure and self-degradation of the Cathedral that has given rise to the "misinformation" sector. Whether that sector is more accurate or not is beside the point. It's that the Cathedral has squandered its value as a walled garden relative to alternative alternative narratives. Drizzle outlines a number of claims and assertions that the Cathedral got utterly and hopelessly wrong. That omits a host of matters that the Cathedral gets just as wrong through simple omission. So, conservative alternative media gets things wrong. I fail to see how that makes them "more pregnant" than the cathedral.

        1. Didn’t really miss the point as I went off topic, and started talking about something different than you were. My bad.

          1. Haha, you mean you started squawking.

    2. Atheists are the OG critics of The Cathedral. And this here Atheist stays away from them no matter how old or young.

  43. This is true. I once worked for an absolute nutter who was trying to build a Free Energy device. He claimed he found a loophole in the laws of thermodynamics, and he was trying to find funding to build a prototype. He wasn't an idiot. He did in fact have a university degree in physics. Go figure.

    I also worked with an electrical engineer, absolute smarty who know all there was about batteries and recharging. He is in high demand now, for obvious reasons. He also believes in UFOs. And not just UFOs but the whole gamut of UFO nuttery.

    The biggest 9/11 Troofer crank I ever met was a metallurgist. Who still managed to tell me that fire cannot melt steel.

    Go listen to some old talks with James Randi or watch his biography. He was fond of saying that the easiest people to fool were scientists. Talk to Frank Abagnale Jr (Catch me if you can) and he will tell you the easiest people to fool are the smart ones. Because the smart ones will do all the work for you and fool themselves.

    It's human nature. We tend to believe what fits our narratives, or world views. We see patterns where none exist. We see systems and we try to make everything fit neatly into them. This is fertile ground of crankery, nuttery, quackery, conspiracy theories, and everything else you can think of.

    Dumb people know they are dumb, and so they double check everything. Smart people know they are smart and so will believe anything they want with full confidence.

    The facts are pieced together to fit a pre-formed narrative. And from that the misinformation flows. The misinformation did not come first, it's an product of bad thinking. Or should I saw, normal human thinking.

    The real problem is not what people think, it's how people think. The wrong way to think is to change the facts to fit the narrative. The wrong way to think is to pick and choose the facts that fit the narrative while ignoring those that don't. This is natural. This is to be human. But it's wrong.

    The right way to think is to change the narrative to fit the facts. We can't get rid of the narrative in our heads, but we can stop it from turning us into bleeding nutters. If the facts don't fit your narrative, then your narrative needs adjusting.

    1. Dumb sociopaths who think they are smart are the worst of all, and they disproportionately populate politics, government bureaucracies, and the corporate media.

    2. "Dumb people know they are dumb, and so they double check everything. Smart people know they are smart and so will believe anything they want with full confidence."

      I wouldn't be so sure about that.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

      I see way too many people who are terminally stupid but think they're really smart.

      1. Dunning Kruger is not about stupid. It is about ignorance. The idea is that in learning a tiny amount about a subject you massively overestimate how much you know. The more you learn past that point, the more you understand how little you know.

        Smarter people are more susceptible to this. Not less.

        1. I think it's also true that smart people tend to underestimate their intelligence relative to other people. And stupid people do the opposite. Maybe not universally, but it seems pretty common.

          1. I always thought I was pretty smart until I got into some of the higher level classes in my major. Some of the guys in those classes made me feel really dumb. That humbled me pretty good.

        2. You mean how a little knowledge is more dangerous than a lot?

          Yeah, I agree to a point. But I've known people who were really dumb who didn't know it. When they didn't understand something or someone they'd say that that something or someone is stupid. "Really? The fact that you can't do math means you're smart and math is stupid? You fucking serious?"

        3. I honestly didn't think that sarcasmic would have the guts to talk about Dunning Kruger, because you know, the irony.

          1. We all get to have our dunning Kruger moments. No matter how many fields you are truly expert in, there are almost infinite other fields where you are not remotely expert. In some of those you are likely to think you know a lot more than you do.

    3. Is this why you keep advocating for top men to make all our decisions, instead of ourselves as individuals, then?

      This post is so ironic it illustrates you must simply be a paid troll. No one could lack this much self awareness without it being intentional.

    4. What is it with Electrical Engineers and nuttery?

      Arthur Butz is an Associate Professor of Electrical Enginnering at Northwestern University and is a notorious Holocaust Denier who wrote The Hoax of The Twentieth Century espousing his lunatic views.

      Did he forget to flip the breaker box and get too many bites from the AC wiring? While working on a pawnbroker sign?

  44. The TSA "was created in the wake of 9/11 to protect Americans from future horrific attacks, not to regulate human behavior onboard flights," wrote Sens. Cynthia Lummis (Wyo.)

    Duh. Elitists have re-defined horror to include any trivial non-compliance with ideology, plus mean tweets. Of course the TSA (and all other agencies) should prosecute these menaces.

    1. They can go ahead and start the list. It will last 5 years and be abandoned once it is shown to have disparate impact on people of color. It would be suicide for an airline to exclude the wealthy and white people have more money.

  45. I know that people are seeking out stuff like my Substack because the 'regular' media is so fucking inept that people are looking for something that affirms what they are seeing with their own eyes.

    *glance at Reason*

  46. https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1493862768818151425?t=3uNLU5chyxJhAg2cgnrZaA&s=19

    The Russian Foreign Ministry has called on Western media outlets to publish a full list of dates on which Russia will invade Ukraine for the year ahead, so Russian diplomats can schedule their vacations accordingly.

    This is not satire. They did this

    1. Okay, that's pretty funny.

    2. SleepyJoe didn’t get the joke.

    3. This is priceless.....who said the Soviets Russians don't have a sense of humor.

      1. In Soviet Russia, vacation takes you!

    4. When the West holds it's post-Covid Nuremburg trials of the Davos crowd, they need to include a trial for media outlets and journalists that are currently acting like Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines or Der Stürmer.
      Inciting war and fomenting hatred against the proles is just wrong.

      1. Xi & Minions first, of course. Remember, without them, none of this would have happened.

  47. https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1493960261451104261?t=axcXD0eHn1xb5MmaZ2Kdrg&s=19

    Journalists are a weapon used by the powerful to keep the average person in a constant state of terror

    Any act of decency or valor can make you [a] target
    [Link]

    1. Speaking truth to power.

  48. So, if you actually read the linked story on the rape kit DNA dropped prosecution, you get:

    But the DA's office was only able to reference once case and added they're unaware of any cases that were prosecuted.

    and

    there was a DNA hit for this individual from a non-victim database.

    It is true that the SFPD could have lied to reporters about there being a non-victim database DNA hit, but overall those of us who declared for Team "Chesa Boudin is a lying grifter" yesterday are feeling pretty good about things.

    1. And yet.... Charges dropped.

      1. "And yet"? Chesa Boudin is the guy who made the decision to drop charges. His own action doesn't actually increase the credibility of his own press release.

        If these were the accusations and actions of a tough-on-crime, pro-police district attorney, they'd come with a certain amount of credibility attached. Coming from this asshole, though, it's reasonable to presume they're just a load of shit.

  49. https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1493900008680161284?t=wW-VsvlnGRw90ppSjmJIdA&s=19

    FRANCE - 5 million un boosted citizens are considered unvaccinated and will lose all societal freedoms, including the right to public travel, as their vaccine passport expires today.

    It didn't set them free, it tied them even further to Government control.

    #NoGreenPass #COVID19

    1. imagine this in a situation where most people just had omicron and they know for a fact that vaxxed + a covid infection (which they can assume most of their population would be in this category) = massive amount of COVID antibodies.

      Even natural immunity alone has shown its more than enough to give you protection against covid and it lasts longer than the vax. Just goes to show every inch you give authoritarians, they will not give back any freedoms they take from you

  50. https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1493836876347686915?t=wtFpIp9-SrYFwKNbWQGK-Q&s=19

    New Zealand is fining people for not wanting to get tested for covid. If you don’t pay the fine you can get arrested, have your accounts and property seized, and be put on a no fly list.
    [Link]

    1. It can never happen hear in America!

    2. It's the Hong-Kong-ization of the free world.

      1. And these are all test runs for the big fish, America.

        If you want to see what the Democrats will be pulling so that you can't have midterms, look at Canada right now. And don't think that the Constitution will protect you, because they don't give a shit about the Constitution.

  51. https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1493901389797408768?t=-E2OIVQPaBvqWKkExTdMdQ&s=19

    NEW - Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum says "the COVID 19 pandemic has led to a heightened focus on the power of medical data, specifically so-called vaccine passports. These passports by nature serve as a form of digital identity."

    MORE - The new WEF report calls for a multistakeholder approach to advance towards a trusted digital agency for a "safer and more inclusive online world."

    [Link]

  52. https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1493974158795059208?t=QycY4wLFnoNtNgT2Pd8nuQ&s=19

    Step 1: US "intelligence" alleges on *background* with no evidence that @zerohedge is publishing "Russian propaganda"

    Step 2: Twitter places a "warning" on all links to Zerohedge giving no reason as to why

    [Link]

    1. DefiantL's twitter account just got suspended. Their last tweet before getting shut down was criticizing Trudeau.

      https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1493932550997393408?s=20&t=XUtf_Hsm3g5z7soGOmJaHg

      1. It's starting.

        1. Siraj Hashmi (The List) got his account blocked due to a "dcma violation."

    2. But they only label alt-right news sites that peddle misinformation. Not investment and financial information....

      Oh, go check Wikipedia.

      "Zero Hedge is a far-right libertarian financial blog,"

      Wikipedia only publishes facts, not opinion.

      So far-right and libertarian are referenced. Stunningly. They do not know that these are not even remotely the same thing.

      1. Crowder exposing bias on Wikipedia posts

        https://youtu.be/Iv7s_ydrdHE

        From the ledge, they posted a crime fact from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Wikipedia took it down because it was sourced from an opinion piece. A simple statistical fact from a statistical fact source.

        Why do I tell you this?

        Because "far-right" is necessarily opinion. It cannot be fact. Yet it is stated as a referenced fact.

  53. Dropping charges on someone already convicted: lawyers, is that a thing?

    1. anyone can just ... drop charges ...

    2. Yeah....no.

  54. When they say "disinformation", 90% of the time what they mean is "heresy"

    1. Absolutely this. And 90% of the time it is more accurate than the next thing that comes out of their mouth as well

  55. >>"misinformation"

    who's the decider on the "mis" part? it's all information. and yes the stupid people get to vote, too.

  56. >>Chesa Boudin, said on Monday one woman's DNA collected as part of a domestic violence investigation had been used years later to convict her of a property crime.

    nice jury.

  57. misinformation tends to attract people who already believe it,

    If it's misinformation how did it previously exist for anyone to come to believe it? It's much more likely they don't make this decision based on believing it, but rather whether they support or oppose the implications of the misinformation. I think this is what Julian Sanchez is saying.

    For example when the left claimed the Hunter Biden laptop email was misinformation how could they have believed this already? The only thing they knew is that they didn't want it to be true. So they universally believed that.

    _____________

    Separately what we're calling "misinformation" is just advanced propaganda. Low level propaganda is repeating the same thing over and over again hoping people come to accept it. But that doesn't work well since mature people are pretty good at recognizing unsupported assertions. So over time people have come to understand they need to provide plausible sounding justifications for their propaganda. Those truly committed have to create a framework which makes the story more believable and resistant to criticism. This usually takes the form of hiding inconvenient facts and using credentialism or supposed experts to reject criticism.

    For example committed propagandists might first work to get control of academia, then purport to study a politically contentious phenomenon like wages by gender or rape on campus. With this goal they can attract grant money from their ideological allies to create studies specifically designed to deliver a report their media and political allies can cite as supposed facts.

    "Misinformation" didn't start with Trump or even the Russian Collusion Hoax. It's been a part of mainstream political theater for decades.

    1. But not at this level. Not in the US.

      At least, not in the last 50 years where my personal experience is relevant. I thought our society was immune to this level of propaganda, what with our strong devotion to individual freedom, an independent 4th estate and a broad anti-authoritarian streak.

      1. I don't agree.

        What's different is the left-media's focus on this as a problem, but that's because the right has only recently become effective with this. That's why the somewhat amusing result is the world's biggest promoters of misinformation complaining about misinformation as if they have standing to object. It's like the head of McDonald's complaining about unhealthy restaurant food.

        But the big examples of misinformation tie back to the 70s. That's when the end of the Vietnam War triggered the left's loos of mass protesters so they decided their best plan was to take over our institutions and corrupt them from within. This propaganda, along with activist professors to drill it into students, was the goal.

      2. I've heard this quote a bunch. Not sure who said it first:

        Hard times create strong men
        Strong men create good times
        Good times create weak men
        Weak men create hard times - We are here

    2. Very true, but see my post near the top in reply to Fist.

      "Misinformation" is the human condition and correcting it is what Rudyard Kipling would call "our doom and pride."

  58. Is misinformation a supply problem or a demand problem?

    Spoken like the true progressive Keynesian you are.

    To a libertarian, "misinformation" isn't a problem at all, it's a fact of life. And the way libertarian societies deal with that fact of life is to have people bear the consequences when they make bad choices based on bad information.

    But you wouldn't know anything about libertarianism, would you.

  59. ENB: Why do these fools keep reading all this MISINFORMATION?

    "While there’s been no indication yet that the activist had ties to any right-wing organizations, the shooting comes amid a rise in threats against politicians fueled by increasingly violent rhetoric coming from extremist Republicans."
    - NYT

  60. Misinformation is a stupid word that means nothing. Anyone that uses it is engaged in fallacious nonsense.

    There is just information. It is either being presented honestly with context and consideration or as propaganda with veiled assumptions.

  61. There used to be a thing called "free speech", with Americans free to express their opinions and others free to agree or disagree. We used to trust people to be able to discern for themselves how much to trust information from certain sources. And to always be wary of those who want to stamp out certain viewpoints based on their own say-so.

    1. Or as one canceled former President said:

      "Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. Else reason is lost."

      1. My favorite Obama quote!

    2. ^look at the old guy here.

    3. The main thing that technology has changed is the ability to identify those that don't agree. You don't have to prove it with actions. If you don't watch the right things or click on the right things or like the right things, it is easily trackable. There is no longer that need to rely on citizens trying to curry favor with the party by ratting out their neighbors and family.

      Social media and the smart phone are now the greatest tools of the police.

  62. Bigots buy misinformation while crooks sell it.

    Both are problems with the same solution, criminalize lying.

    1. how would cops conduct suspect interviews?

      1. There would be exceptions for self defence.

        Cops performing suspect interviews can reasonably assume that the guilty will lie, so their lying to fool liars is similar to self defence.

        When lying is a crime, there will be no reason for others than police to assume that people will be lying.

        1. When lying is a crime, you'd never get out, Nazi scum

          1. You are stupid, but the reason you’ve never refuted anything I’ve said is because I tell the truth.

            1. No you don't, you delusional fuck.

              1. You’ll never prove that lie or any other.

            2. "You are stupid, but the reason you’ve never refuted anything I’ve said is because I tell the truth."

              OK, lying pile of Nazi shit, this time I'll copy and keep every bogus claim you make and how is it shown to be bullshit.
              Let's see, it asshole, by the number what are your specific claims?

            3. BTW, this should be fun and educational, so we can slam the Nazi's face in the response to his lies with nothing more than a copy/paste every time the Nazi asshole lies about it *AGAIN*!

              1. I’m not a Nazi.

                Prove your claim that I am fuckwit.

        2. So police are Omnibenevolent and would never lie? So police are Omniscient about lying and we never need to do as Cervantes prescribed with a question and "Watch the Watchmen?"

          Fuck off, Nazi!

          1. Watch the watchmen? You?

            You can’t prove what you claim nor refute what you deny.

            Logic completely eludes you.

            1. OK, fuckface, see above. I'm looking forward to stuffing your face in your bullshit.

    2. Why do you hate free speech?

      1. Lying is coercion. Coercion with speech causes harm. It should be criminalized.

        Just like I support 2a but am glad that murder is criminalized.

        Can you perceive the logic?

        1. Hey, Nazi asshole! See above!

      2. It's kinda part of the package when one is a Nazi like Misek.

        Fret not, Mike. I'll speak up for your drug habit and all of us "degenerates" when his Jackbooted Anti-Lying Squad comes for us.

        Better yet, I won't speak, I'll just line the stairs with marbles and Legos, cock the crossbow pistols, and send some ammo to you and all like-minded Libertarians.

    3. Sooo...Are you a buyer or a seller or, dare I say it, a middle-man?

      Fuck off, Nazi!

      1. I proudly prove what I claim and refute what I deny.

        As the bigoted liar you are, you never will.

        1. "I proudly prove what I claim and refute what I deny."

          You pathetic piece of Nazi shit, you've had your claims jammed up your ass as the lies they are, only to show up a week later claiming "I WON!!!"
          No, shitbag, everyone who has read your bullshit knows full well you're a loser and a lying pile of shit.
          Make your family proud: Stick your head in a gas oven without lighting it.

          1. Fill your boots idiot.

          2. “I'll copy and keep every bogus claim you make and how is it shown to be bullshit.”

            Im looking forward to your first attempt. You can start with my first claim on this article and move on from there.

            Do you realize that proving what you claim and refuting what you deny will require considering and logically addressing my arguments and agreeing with the logical conclusion that results as we follow that process, issue by issue?

            What will you do when you realize that you must agree with me?

  63. Here's the truth about the nazi flag at the trucker protests story.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCJHgrYa_NY

  64. "...because these false things jive with emotions..."

    For God's sake, the expression is "jibes with," not "jives with." It is a sailing term that means to turn with the wind. Doesn't that make much more sense than "jive," which doesn't actually mean anything? You are a professional writer, and you should be thoroughly embarrassed.

    1. That dog doesn't jive, Monssieur. The word jibe has a meaning of 'agree' that is not at all related to the nautical term. Also, jibing isn't turning with the wind it's turning in the wind. A boat sailing SW in a Southerly wind changing to SE is jibing (the sail in the wind crosses over the path of the ship). Sailing into the wind is generally done by jibing at alternating 45-degree angles to the oncoming wind and you can turn from into the wind to downwind without necessarily jibing at all.

      1. "Turning with the wind" was adequate for the point I was making. I'm very well aware of how to sail.

  65. "Misinformation or Political Dysfunction—Which Comes First?"
    The profound stupidity of angry and uneducated white Americans fearful of everything and willing to follow a bombastic future Führer comes first.

    1. No, that's second, after the profound arrogance of elitist leftists.

  66. Can ENB (or any other real person) point to a disinformation problem that existed BEFORE Nixon signed the anti-Libertarian campaign subsidies law in 1971?

    1. Umm, from my childhood: “Goddamn hippies are planning to put LSD in the water supply! We should hogtie them all and cut their hair off with sheep sheers.”

    2. Lincoln was a great humanitarian who freed the slaves.

    3. On Oct. 30, 1938, at 8 p.m. several strange gas explosions were seen on the surface of Mars. Approximately 15 min. later a strange, cylindrical, metallic meteorite landed in Grover's Mill, NJ.

    4. On Saturday night, July 5, 1947, rancher W.W. "Mac" Brazel made a trip from his remote ranch to town, Corona, New Mexico. The ranch had no phone and no radio, leaving Brazel unaware of the flying saucer craze of the prior ten days.

      As a result, it was not until Saturday night that Brazel connected debris he'd found three weeks earlier with the flying disks in the news. The debris - tinfoil, rubber, and thin wooden beams - had been scattered across a square mile of the ranch. Brazel previously had gathered it and pushed it under some brush to dispose of it.

      When Brazel heard stories of silvery flying discs that Saturday night in Corona, he decided to gather up his prior find. On Sunday, July 6, Brazel dug out the debris and on Monday, July 7, he took it in to the sheriff's office in Roswell. The sheriff called Roswell Army Air Field, which assigned the matter to Major Jesse Marcel. Brazel took Marcel back to the debris site, and the two gathered up more pieces of rubber and tinfoil. Marcel took the material home on Monday night.

      On Tuesday morning, July 8, Marcel took the material to his base commander, Colonel William Blanchard. Blanchard reported the finding to General Roger Ramey at Fort Worth Army Air Field (FWAAF). General Ramey ordered the material flown to FWAAF immediately. Marcel boarded a B-29 Superfortress and made the flight to FWAAF.

      On July 8, 1947, RAAF public information officer Walter Haut issued a press release stating that personnel from the field's 509th Operations Group had recovered a "flying disc", which had landed on a ranch near Roswell.

    5. "Can ENB (or any other real person) point to a disinformation problem that existed BEFORE Nixon"

      Come on Hank.
      I know you're old enough to remember William Randolph Hearst and the Spanish American War. "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war" doesn't ring a bell?

      1. Philips is too fucking spastic to remember what he posted an hour ago.

    6. Of course. In 1968, a massive strategic blunder by the Communist forces in Vietnam resulted in the annihilation of the Viet Cong and massive casualties among the best North Vietnam regulars . . . and the U.S. media used it to deceive the the American people into thinking that the Vietnam War was unwinnable, with consequences such as the Boat People and the Cambodian Genocide.

      Now, sure, the misinformation spread by Walter Cronkite and company probably contributed to an order of magnitude or so fewer murders than that spread by Joseph Goebbels and his agents, but that still gives them a truly despicable rank on the all-time Dishonor Roll. And at least Goebbel's mendacity is now generally recognized; Cronkite's is not.

  67. Correct... There are literally million in the USA *DEMANDING* a complete end to the USA and it's foundation and *DEMANDING* it be replaced with National Socialism (syn; Nazi-Regime).... We saw it happen in Germany too.

    Great countries aren't based on Power-Mad Gov-Gun toting selfish criminals no matter how many of them there are. That's precisely why the USA has a "people's law" of the Constitution trying to preserve Individual Liberty and Justice and also precisely why the USA *WAS* such a great nation historically.

    Many miserable customers of the same mentality of leftards also compulsively attempt to destroy all business and service through crockery, manipulation and deception. The evil must be rejected to save any future success. i.e. You didn't *EARN* it; it's NOT YOURS! (basic foundation of theft & criminalistic behavior).

  68. Wow!

    Two main thrusts of Yglesias' post are that a lot of what's coded as "misinformation" really isn't factually wrong so much as a difference of opinions, values, or ways of seeing the world, and that it's prior agreement with misinformation driving its spread rather that people finding it online and becoming convinced. As Somin put it earlier, it's a problem of demand, not supply.

    OK. People have opinions, values, and worldviews and they like to have their opinions, values, and worldviews reinforced. Got it.

    What does all of this have to do with political polarization? The idea that "bad information —> dysfunctional polarization story is probably backwards," suggests Yglesias.

    Ah, so it's possible, even likely, that we were this polarized, or maybe even more, in the past it's just that the news cycle was slow enough and intermittent enough that we weren't picking each other's brains in real time and constantly outraged at each other. Nice. Idiots had time to check themselves or learn from their mistakes before being exposed to the broader public and black (or white or asian...) people who never heard a harmless racist joke in its own echo chamber were never harmed. I like it.

    In this view, it's American polarization that is driving the demand for false information, not the other way around.

    Wait, what? I thought we just agreed above that 'misinformation' was "really isn't factually wrong so much as a difference of opinions, values, or ways of seeing the world"? When and how did opinions and values become false?

    1. When and how did opinions and values become false?

      Sorry, not just opinions and values, factually correct (the only definition of 'not factually wrong') opinions and values.

    2. Ah, so it's possible, even likely, that we were this polarized, or maybe even more, in the past it's just that the news cycle was slow enough and intermittent enough that we weren't picking each other's brains in real time and constantly outraged at each other. Nice. Idiots had time to check themselves or learn from their mistakes

      Nope, sorry, that's not how it worked. The way it actually worked is expressed by Edward Bernays, the inventor of propaganda and public relations:

      "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society."

      - Edward Bernays.

      That's been the progressive model of "democratic" governance for a century. What they hate is that the new media are breaking this cozy arrangement.

      What you are seeing right now is the disagreement between the Bernays-style propagandists and the people who reject their values and objectives.

      1. The whole quote by Bernays, the Jew who reverse engineered psychosis with his uncle Sigmund Freud and created modern propaganda.

        “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
        Edward Bernays,

    3. Ah, so it's possible, even likely, that we were this polarized, or maybe even more, in the past it's just that the news cycle was slow enough and intermittent enough that we weren't picking each other's brains in real time and constantly outraged at each other.

      No, it's just that the media in the era where there were three networks following the line of the New York Times was far more monolithic, and therefore there was no way that the general public could be informed when Walter Cronkite spread lies. People were thoroughly propagandized that believing him to be anything but entirely trustworthy was something only low-status ignorant bigots like Archie Bunker (who was written as calling him "Pinko Cronkite") would do.

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