Backyard Chickens Make Headway in Iowa, Stall Out in New York
Fowl regulations are improving in some places, ruffling feathers in others.

More and more local governments around the country appear to be embracing the rights of residents to keep and raise egg-laying chickens in their backyards. The fact more cities and towns are warming to chicken ownership is, itself, a particularly welcome and timely development. As concerns over food inflation and egg shortages grip the nation, having a steady supply of tasty, inexpensive protein in one's own backyard can be a blessing.
The term "backyard chickens" refers generally to egg-laying hens, rather than nuisance-y roosters (which belong only on true farms or t-shirts). Backyard chickens, I write in my book Biting the Hands that Feed Us: How Fewer, Smarter Laws Would Make Our Food System More Sustainable, are prized for their eggs, free fertilizer, and ability to control (read: eat) small pests such as grubs. That's why chickens, I write, have become "the face of backyard livestock." As I also detail in my book, several major U.S. cities—including Denver and Seattle—have moved to allow backyard chickens in recent years.
Backyard chicken ownership can present challenges. My friend's neighbors here in Seattle have lost several chickens to foxes and raccoons—a reasonably common problem. Chickens can carry and transmit diseases. They sometimes also fly the coop, becoming "the fowl in [a neighbor's] foyer" until they're returned. Inevitably, too, chickens that live long enough stop laying eggs and, eventually, die.
Despite these challenges, chicken ownership is on the rise. Story County, Iowa, home to Ames, is one place that's moving to allow residents to raise backyard chickens (which appear already to be legal in Ames). And Cecil County, Maryland, lawmakers are also considering allowing backyard chickens. But the proposal there would prohibit people living in "urbanized residential areas" from raising them, the Cecil Whig reported last month.
"Many counties in Maryland including Baltimore City are more lenient than Cecil County when it comes to chicken ownership," the Whig notes. "In Baltimore City, residents may keep up to 4 hens on lots that are under 2,000 square feet, which is around 1/25th of an acre."
In Palatine, Illinois, lawmakers are considering reforms that would reduce the significant regulatory hurdles potential chicken owners face there.
"Residents are allowed to have backyard hens—not roosters—with a special use permit," the Daily Herald reported last month. "That means they have to submit a plan, have a public hearing before the zoning board of appeals, and get approval from the village council."
The council will consider removing at least some of those needless hurdles sometime this year.
Despite the apparently improving climate for backyard chicken ownership, countless cities and towns around the country still prohibit or severely restrict backyard chickens. In a column last year that focused on a Pennsylvania town's campaign to bar a local couple from raising a few hens and ducks in their yard, for example, I noted fights over similar prohibitions in Iowa and New Hampshire. Other restrictions are still making news today.
In Eaton Rapids, Michigan, for example, local officials in October told a woman whose family had been raising chickens in their two-acre city yard for decades that she'd have "to remove the birds from her property or face a 90-day misdemeanor and/or a $500 fine." The owner, Carolyn Adams, 77, was forced to give up her flock.
A new zoning plan that Utica, New York, residents had hoped would include provisions for chicken ownership failed to take hold this year. One opponent of backyard chickens in Utica, explaining her opposition to chickens, cited fireworks, dust, her neighbor's cannabis smoking, and "many people from other cultures living throughout the city who do not understand our ways."
There are many excellent reasons to support the right of people to own and raise backyard chickens. While both chicken ownership and regulatory reform appear to be on the rise, the challenge advocates face is to explain the benefits of high-quality eggs, pest control, property rights, and "other cultures" to people who may be disinclined to embrace them.
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Fowl regulations are improving in some places, ruffling feathers in others.
Has there been a coop d’etat at Reason? There have been just a poultry amount of puns in the articles…until this gem.
I just figured I'd chick - en and see how many fowl puns Chumby had laid in here.
The yolk's on us.
I’m eggcited about a potential shellacking of chicken puns.
You will never wind up with egg on your face, Chumby. You're the all-time champ here.
Reason pre-empting the bird puns is a feather in your cap, really.
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No need to brood about it, Chumby. I thought you were making headlines. You are cock of the walk with that sort of thing. 😉
Very henteresting.
I'd been expecting a hard boiled investigation, giving authorities the bird, but the article was scrambled, mostly poached from others. These writers are a shell of their farmer selves, no matter which wing they represent. Nest pas?
As long as the chickens come home to roast, I will roast them, no matter WHICH wing of the hen-house they want to roast in! Roosters can be roasters, no matter HOW much the might cluck-cluck-cluck about their preferred personal pronouns!
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Inevitably, too, chickens that live long enough stop laying eggs and, eventually, die.
Once any of my bitches stops producing she finds herself out on the street.
Or in the deep fryer
They are like all living things, with a forecast of a 100 % chance of death...unless Transhumanists genetically, chemically, or cybernetically modify them to become Transpoultry!
Ray Stevens--"Thus Clucked Henrietta"
https://youtu.be/WXUJnmhGNnI
Then they could do heroic deeds in service to Humanity and The Animal Kingdom in general:
Super Chicken Theme
https://youtu.be/_-3QAiVDL-A
Sorry, "Thus Cackled Henrietta."
There could even be some entertaining hybrids to come from all this:
A performance of "In the Mood" by The Henhouse Five Plus Too a.k.a. Ray Stevens and Friends
https://youtu.be/dINDPBAm32o
It’s sad Ray Stevens never made a concept album. Chickens would have been the perfect theme.
Every piece Ray ever did was a concept unto itself, with every album a multiverse menagerie of silliness and fun.
Evidently, he made a movie too. This I gotta see!
Ray Stevens--"Get Serious" Commerciao 1995
https://youtu.be/x8QyOkmLx5E
One opponent of backyard chickens in Utica, explaining her opposition to chickens, cited fireworks, dust, her neighbor's cannabis smoking, and "many people from other cultures living throughout the city who do not understand our ways."
Unfortunately, she is correct. Live and let live, individualism, and minding your own business is now a foreign culture in half the country, mostly the Democrat-controlled urban areas of the country.
"many people from other cultures living throughout the city who do not understand our ways."
The Donald and His Trumpists will fix this for us, by ONLY counting as legitimate, "R" votes! Our (real) votes are "R" votes, He cock-a-doodle-dooooed! Our-are-"R"-ERRRR!!!
We are about to be deep-fried and eaten (with cole slaw) by revenge-seeking Ghost Chickens in the Sky!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkdci55adqk
Leroy Troy - Ghost Chickens In The Sky (June 2012)
Why are you trolling on a chicken article?
Why do you define "trolling" as "anything that upsets my mental applecart"?
(Is it because your mental applecart is, after all, pretty mental?)
I didn't define it, but that's what it is.
"In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
"many people from other cultures living throughout the city who do not understand our ways."
Pure tribalism! We do things this way around here! If we eat with a spoon, we reserve the right to KILL those who eat with chopsticks! Burn the vote-stealing Demon-Craps and the witches, etc.! And this pure, stupid, EVIL tribalism goes ALL of the way to counting only the votes that we like, and then, next, of course, the killings of the wrong tribes!
Did you ever consider the idea that people who think this way, DESERVE to have their mental applecarts upset? HOW do we fix evil tribalism if we can't even discus it or think about it?
Don’t you go making me look bad, by being a better person (to include being less brainlessly tribalistic) than I am! This is why Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., got themselves killed! Fortunately, I have anonymity, so, unlike these 3 guys, I'm guarding myself against the possibility of me getting killed by the troglodytes, for being a better person than they are!
See...
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/
"We do things this way around here! If we eat with a spoon, we reserve the right to KILL those who eat with chopsticks! Burn the vote-stealing Demon-Craps and the witches, etc.!"
If you don't see this hyperbole as trolling, then you are either crazy or an antisocial asshole...perhaps both.
Nobody here- or in this article- has said anything about reserving the right to kill anyone. You are an asshole to suggest it, and anti-social if you do not understand how it fucks up the comments.
Some folks read their press. The Rechsquirreler Squoebbels masturbates to his.
We DO have assholes here (on a regular basis) who, when out-argued, suggest or try to command their opponents to commit suicide! They demonstrably ARE evil pro-death assholes! And they ALSO cheer on their favorite "R" party demagogues who say things like the below...
https://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-congressional-candidate-says-audit-all-50-states-execute-all-involved-1632838 Pro-Trump Congressional Candidate Says 'Audit All 50 states' and 'Execute All Involved'… Translation to all of this: “BURN the witches AND the vote-stealing Demon-Craps! Bring ON the 1-party "R" state!”
"We DO have assholes here (on a regular basis) who, when out-argued, suggest or try to command their opponents to commit suicide"
It's good advice, ᛋᛋqrlsy, Reichsführer of the Sqrlsstaffel. I'm all for one less lying totalitarian Nazi.
"Expert Christian Theologian" MammaryBahnFuhrer shows Her true colors, blessing the idea that Her enemies should commit suicide! Do You not realize that this makes You a servant of the Evil One, MarxistMammary? The Evil One, too, is a friend of death, and an enemy of life! Do you care to trot out Your "Christian Theologian" justification for Your Evils?
MammaryBahnFuhrer, drinking MammaryBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
FACTCHECK.ORG: TRUMP DID "NOT" GET MAN OF THE YEAR AWARD
This is what we did find: It appears that Trump is referring to a 2013 dinner hosted by a county Republican Party organization, which presented him with token gifts – including a statuette of Abraham Lincoln. But a former Republican congressman who organized the dinner said Trump DID NOT receive an award, and the group has NEVER given out “man of the year” awards.
As we said, we COULD NOT find any such award bestowed on Trump (and neither could other news outlets, including CNN, Newsweek and HuffPost). Former Rep. Dave Trott said Trump is referring to the Oakland County Republican Party’s Lincoln Day Dinner in 2013. Trott, who was chairman of the dinner, invited Trump to speak at the event. In an interview with Michigan Live, Trott recalled that Trump delivered a “rambling speech touching every topic under the sun.” Afterward, the organization presented Trump with a statuette of Abraham Lincoln, a framed copy of Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address and a tie, Trott said. But there was NO AWARD, he said.
“I was the organizer and chair of that, and we WEREN'T handing out Man of the Year awards and NEVER HAVE,” Trott told the Detroit News. “That’s not part of the club’s mission. The context of Trump’s comments at the roundtable in Ypsilanti lends credence to the idea that Trump believes he received an award at the Lincoln Day Dinner in Michigan in 2013 — an event at which Trott says Trump was NOT AWARDED Michigan’s “man of the year.”
Trump’s claim is vague enough — he HASN'T provided an exact year or the name of the organization that supposedly honored him — that it makes it nearly impossible to entirely disprove. But the responsibility to back-up political claims rests with the politicians who made them, and in this case, neither the White House nor Trump’s presidential campaign has provided any information on the president’s boast. If any such proof ever emerges, we’ll update our story.
A ᛋᛋqrlsy-dbruᛋᛋe double post. He fired both his retarded socks at once.
I love that I make you so mad.
Who else wants to contribute to a fund to send SQRLSY to a special place for professional help?
You are likely already funding squirrel’s counseling (as well as housing, utilities, food and transportation).
"We DO have assholes here (on a regular basis) who, when out-argued, suggest or try to command their opponents to commit suicide!"
Which isn't the slur you suggested. And you are an asshole for trying to equate "go kill yourself" for someone saying they have the right to kill a person eating with chopsticks.
"Pro-Trump Congressional Candidate Says 'Audit All 50 states' and 'Execute All Involved'
Which isn't the slur you suggested. This person thinks people committed treason and argued that they be tried, convicted and executed. Nutty, yeah, but 1) talks about due process, and 2) is nothing like what you suggested.
To be clear, here is what you wrote:
"If we eat with a spoon, we reserve the right to KILL those who eat with chopsticks!"
So what is it, SQRLSY? Are you just an asshole or did your mom ever teach you anything about being a functioning part of society?
I'm not a religious nut, but Jesus is one of my primary heroes. He was NOT afraid to criticize evil people, to the point of pissing them off so badly, that they killed him! Here is what Jesus had to say about evil people:
"You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."
You gonna nit-pick what he said, 'cause it was hyperbole? HOW could he call them vipers, when they had arms and legs, while vipers don't? Vipers are POISONOUS KILLERS, and the IDEAS being kicked around by hyper-tribal fanatics these days (in politics, on the streets, and right here on these pages) are poisonous killers as well!
The end result of endlessly, unfairly demonizing the "enemy" is that we do this so long, that we can now regard them as sub-human, and so now, we can kill them, and take their shit! Limitlessly demonizing the vote-stealing Demon-Craps ends up with witch-burnings and genocide! Or a NAZI-style holocaust, an Armenian genocide, or one like in Rwanda, USA-Americans v/s Native Americans at times, or Pol Pot in Cambodia. The list goes on and on!
It CAN happen here, and we are moving in that general direction! HERE is some well-written evidence!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
So tell me Overt, was Jesus being a functioning part of his society? Is it better to pamper the Precious Baby Feelings of evil, genocide-lusting poisonous vipers, or to unambiguously let them, and fence-straddling bystanders, know EXACTLY who and what they are?
"Jesus is one of my primary heroes. He was NOT afraid to criticize evil people, to the point of pissing them off so badly,"
Let's be clear: Nowhere in the bible does Jesus commit libel. But in many ways it is an answer. That you see your self as some sort of proselytizing prophet makes TONS of sense.
"The end result of endlessly, unfairly demonizing the "enemy" is that we do this so long, that we can now regard them as sub-human, and so now, we can kill them,"
What do you mean by demonizing the enemy? Do you mean falsely portraying them as hicks who would reserve the right to kill anyone using different utensils? Yes I can see how your consistent and repeated attempts to caricature their beliefs will forever make it impossible for dialogue to happen.
"Nowhere in the bible does Jesus commit libel."
So the evil-speakers of the day really WERE literally broods of vipers? I will bet lawyers could have a field day with this!
Demonizing the enemy is simply spreading the false idea that THEY, over THERE, are pure evil (often for trivial, non-ethics-related excuses), while I am pure good! Because I belong to the RIGHT tribe! Pure, unadulterated self-righteousness, is what it is! And it does NOT lead to our Happy Place!
A small amount of hyperbole is often what is needed. The amount of hyperbole here (killing those who eat with chopsticks) isn't as large as you might think! Study your history! Witch-burnings and genocides! Then more recently here in the USA, see PizzaGate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory and Alex Jones spreading total LIES about Sandy Hook victims being totally made-up bullshit! Parents of murdered children were getting death threats because Alex Jones addicts believed Alex Jones's lies! THIS is where we are headed, here and now!
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a26339067/sandy-hook-parents-depose-alex-jones-parkland-anniversary/
Alex Jones Will Have to Face the Sandy Hook Parents Whose Children He Tried to Erase
They can depose the talk-radio conspiracy theorist whose fans have harassed them and sent them death threats.
Don't call Alex Jones a poisonous viper! It might upset Alex Jones and his fans, trouble-maker!
SUMMARY: SOME kinds of trouble-making is EXACTLY what is needed! I for one will be PROUD to keep on being a trouble-maker!
How embarrassing for sqrlsy.
How embarrassing for R Mac, being flushed out as being part of the broods of vipers!
Next, R Mac, I will troll for those who torture cute little baby puppy-dogs, with lit cigarettes, and then drink puppy-blood! Will my trolling for this make you squawk like a chicken, also?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
"Demonizing the enemy is simply spreading the false idea that THEY, over THERE, are pure evil (often for trivial, non-ethics-related excuses), while I am pure good!"
Dude, you don't need to convince me. I agree! My question is why you continue to do it?
Like really- everything you just explained is exactly what you are doing. You are picking people you don't like, and then caricaturing them to such an extreme event that there is no reason to have a discussion with them.
Is it your goal to get people on YOUR side to kill these people? Why not? By your statements, the people on the right want to kill Asians. So if we are talking about ideas "that are poisonous killers", that pretty much seems exactly what you are spreading. You are telling Asians that these people are coming to kill them.
You aren't interested in fighting ideas- poisonous or otherwise. If you wanted to fight ideas, you would actually you know- accurately describe the ideas that you want to fight.
No, you are fighting people, SQRLSY. You are an anti-social asshole who wants OTHERS excluded, so you will tell Asians that they are coming to kill them. You will invoke Jesus to justify your slander of these people. Because you have already written them off.
And if you are justifying your libel with a Salon article, you are a clown in addition to being an anti-social asshole.
"You aren't interested in fighting ideas- poisonous or otherwise."
The mind-reading powers of your tinfoil hat are failing you something terrible! Have it re-calibrated right away!
"And if you are justifying your libel with a Salon article, you are a clown in addition to being an anti-social asshole."
Salon is of the WRONG tribe, so that is ALL that you need to say, to refute them! Right, self-righteous one? Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! Because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.
"Do-gooder derogation"... Look it up! THAT is what the tribalists of the day are all about! As always! They are smug people thinking with their hunter-gatherer tribal brains, barely advanced over their monkey-brains and reptile-brains, REFUSING to think with their advanced, rational, ethical, moral, or spiritual brains! "If my tribalism feels good, do it! BURN the vote-stealing Demon-Craps, and steal their property!"
If you can't see it, I did my best! I hope your enjoy the coming "War to end all wars!" Part 397!
I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
"You will invoke Jesus to justify your slander of these people."
When "these people" are evil assholes who will NEVER admit error, or take back the evil things that they say... For just ONE example, I will trot out Damikesc, who, when argued into a corner, declared that people should be FORCED to buy Reason magazines... I could name more, from these pages... And will NEVER take back their evil bullshit... HOW do you POLITELY correct them? HOW does one GENTLY tell people that they are evil assholes, and wake them up?
Answer: You can NOT! The VERY best you can do, is to TRY to wake them up (which is a waste of time 99.9% of the time), while at LEAST warning the fence-straddling bystanders, "Poisonous ideas flow forth from THIS asshole RIGHT HERE! BEWARE!"
It is the BEST that Jesus could do, with his calling the poisonous vipers by name!!!
Really and truly now! If you have BETTER choices here, what to do when faced with Evil Assholes Who Are Perfect in Their Own Eyes... HOW to better "fix" these problems, better than what Jesus could accomplish... Believe you me, please! I am ***ALL*** ears here!
Only extreme tribalists are upset when extreme tribalism is given the ridicule that it deserves. When the extreme tribalists expose themselves for who they really are, having been flushed out by the "trolling", then at least the sensible people know who they are.
Next, I will "troll" cannibals and torturers... Are you going to squawk like a chicken?
You'll troll everyone because that's what you are, an angry little troll who can't engage in actual debate because he's too stupid.
MarxistMammaryBahnFuhrer the Chthonic Cunt, Twat of Twits, shows up on cue, to defend cannibals and torturers!
When are You (Dear Queen of the Echo Chambers) going to refute the below? THIS is where Your Precious Tribalism is leading us to!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
You gonna pull Your usual bullshit LIE of refuting it by not reading it?
There are about 1.7 billion web sites out there... For all practical purposes, I have read (approximately) NONE of them! By NOT reading them, I have refuted ALL of them! So now, I know damned close to EVERYTHING known to humans world-wide!
You SEE the utter POWER of refuting stuff by NOT reading it?
I like when the main tribalism fails and resorts to linking to the leftist tribes salon.com. always makes me laugh.
Go ahead and laugh like a hyena! Your brain is at the hyena level, if that. You've not even advanced to the hunter-gatherer apeman level, pre-troglodyte Trumpanzee! You refute all things by saying "Not from MY Tribe!"
Hey high-school dorp-out... WHEN are you going to stop dorping out, and get your GED, at least?
Mother's Lament (ML) also known as Judas Iscariot.
Fact: Republican of the Year Award. (Notice no "MAN)
LIE: Man of the Year award.
Fact: I never lied about any of this. (You lied twice in 3:56 post)
ML January.13.2022 at 3:51 pm
No, he was awarded a man of the year presentation from the Michigan Republicans.
Lie number 1, no, he WAS awarded Republican of the Year award. Close but still a lie.
ML January.13.2022 at 3:56 pm
The stupid thing is that because Trump said he got the "Michigan Man of the Year Award", rather than the "Michigan Republican Man of the Year Award" he's some sort of liar.
Lie number 2, No, he got Republican of the year award. Close but no cookie. Lie number 3, he won Republican of the year award. 3 strikes.
Side note: trump has lied 100,000+ times in his life and it is almost assumed when he says something, it is a lie. He is some SORT of liar. You're a liar "MAN".
ML January.13.2022 at 4:00 pm
Every link is from the same debunked source.
Lie number 4, No, Google is not a debunked source, Info Wars is.
January.13.2022 at 4:03 pm
Hey, when are you going to apologize for lying about the Michigan Republican Man of the year award?
Lie number 5, No, just something floating around in his and your pea brain.
ML January.13.2022 at 4:06 pm
Hey, are you ever going to apologize for lying about the Michigan Republican Man of the year award?
Lie number 6 Trump was told many times this award didn't exist, but you lied about it more than he did.
Didn't you ever learn not to lie? Leviticus 19:11“’Do not LIE. “’Do not DECEIVE one another.
ML January.13.2022 at 6:11 pm
Trump was obviously talking about the Michigan Republican of the Year award.
You FINALLY got the award that he won (no "MAN".) Why didn't you notice he was lying about.
the Man of the Year award? If he
hadn't been called on his lie so many times, he would still be lying about this fictious award.
ANY post by you that mentions "MAN" is a lie by you or Trump. You mentioned "MAN" five times above, ALL lies.
Obviously? Now you are the mind reader to lying stars?
Now you should admit that trump LIED.
Now you should admit that you lied when you said trump didn't lie.
Now you should admit that I never lie.
Hey DBruce... Just some idle curiosity here...
What does it mean to "De-Bruce" someone or something? Can you, for example, "De-Bruce" a moose, and, if so, HOW do you DO it?
Do you recall when the nation-wide media and public were entranced by Sarah Palin, who was UTTERLY amazing, 'cause she knew how to field dress a moose?
I would ask that you cast your eyes even yet further back into the past, and consider that Bill Clinton, even FAR more impressively, knew how to field UN-dress a moose!!!
Sarah's daughter knew how to UNDRESS for the guys.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Palin
OMG, I had forgotten about that! Bristol is on her way to ??? having 5 children by 4 or 5 fathers, to show us the CONSERVATIVE way to build a family!
Nice try ᛋᛋqrlsy, but it's obvious that you're samefagging.
For many, “trolling” is not echoing their echo.
Speaking of notorious Reason comments trolls, here's our ferocious sealion.
Are you preparing your 3 apologizes?
Now you should admit that trump LIED.
Now you should admit that you lied when you said trump didn't lie.
Now you should admit that I never lied.
Republican of the year and Man of the year are distinctions without difference, as it is known that there are no women Republicans due their extreme misogyny and general hatred of all non-white males.
You are correct EXCEPT trump won one and made up the other. It's the story of his whole life. At the time he had control of nuclear weapons and could have "made up" another story, one about the end of the world.
https://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-congressional-candidate-says-audit-all-50-states-execute-all-involved-1632838 Pro-Trump Congressional Candidate Says 'Audit All 50 states' and 'Execute All Involved'… Translation to all of this: “BURN the witches AND the vote-stealing Demon-Craps! Bring ON the 1-party "R" state!”
All who will NOT follow the Clarion Call of our Most Esteemed Pro-Trump Congressional Candidate here... To "Execute All Involved"... Are Chickens!!! CHICKENS, I say, CHICKENS!!!!
Book-book-book... AWWWK-gook!!!!
He is flailing already.
JesseBahnFuhrer is chicken-shitting and randomly flopping around like the headless chicken that it is!
When the chickens come home to roost, the JesseBahntatorshit will throw JesseBahnFuhrer under the chicken-bus!
So many of us fantasize that our support of those who we think is (or will be) the “winner” will earn us the support of the “winners” and their spoils.
See “the night of the long knives” at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives… Ernst Röhm (head brownshirt, street brawler, for Hitler) thought his support of Hitler would leave him sitting pretty. So sorry, Ernst Röhm, Hitler had another thing coming for you…
Right here on Reason.com comments, we see the same thing. The “brownshirts” of the commentary (Nards, etc.) try to brownshirt their enemies off of the comments board, tell their enemies to commit suicide, and other “street fighting”. They, I suspect, expect payback (war spoils) from “winning” Orange Hitler, just as Ernst Röhm did from “winning” Hitler.
They and their ilk, too, have another thing coming… Orange Hitler will throw them under the bus, the VERY first instant that Orange Hitler finds it to be convenient to Him… Just as Shitler-Hitler threw Ernst Röhm under the bus!
All that typing and the only thing you succeeded in doing is making yourself look like a fool, trollboy.
You'll troll everyone because that's what you are, an angry little troll who can't engage in actual debate because MAMMARY is too stupid.
PS, I refute what You say, by NOT reading it!
Eat More Chicken Shit.
Cows say "Eat more chicken". Fats of Flabbery says "Eat more Trump-poop, and ASSimilate it into your Very Being!"
(You are what you eat!)
(You are what you eat!)
You sure are shit for brains.
Alcoholics rarely do any self reflection, often blaming others for their own behavior.
Sarc/sqrsly is no different.
Snopes has fact-checked numerous statements by U.S. President Donald Trump over the years, but one in particular had stumped many journalists since 2016. Since he became president that year, Trump claimed numerous times that he was presented with a Man of the Year award by the state of Michigan a few years before he ran.
We looked into whether such an award existed, and if Trump actually was a recipient. NO journalist or news organization has ever found this to be the case.
Given that multiple news organizations tried and failed to find proof of Michigan’s so-called Man of the Year award in the years since Trump first started making this claim, we rate this claim as “False.”
Sorry, but it wasn't a lie no matter how your retarded ass tries to spin it. What you and your propagandizing links are doing is demagoguery through sophistry.
You really don't understand that you need PROOF to refute the truth, you got nothing but slanders which are even true themselves. Maybe you could get a hold of the Michigan Republic Party and they could recommend you apologize to me for accusing me of lying.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2021/04/30/who-lied-more-during-their-first-100-days-biden-trump-or-obama/
I'll give you 3 chances to guess.
No surprise. The very essence of progressive philosophy is to interfere with others.
What? Chickens light fireworks, do angel dust, smoke mara-ju-wana, and bring foreign ways? We should not only welcome them in cities but make them Libertarian candidates!
"Live and let live, individualism, and minding your own business is now a foreign culture in half the country"
I think you are underestimating things by some 50%.
Wait so chickens cause fireworks? Where can I get one?
What's up Peanuts?
Today in Ethics - Let us use Kant's Categorical Imperatives to discuss the following dilemma -
Column: Mocking anti-vaxxers’ COVID deaths is ghoulish, yes — but may be necessary
The issue of how to think about the deaths of unvaccinated has been thrown into high relief locally by the case of Kelly Ernby, a prominent Orange County Republican and deputy district attorney who crusaded against vaccine mandates and died of COVID around New Year’s Day, unvaccinated.
Ernby’s death promptly came to symbolize the rift in the social fabric caused by the ravages of COVID.
Some online commenters greeted her demise with glee, provoking her political friends to push back against what Ben Chapman, a Costa Mesa GOP official, called “bigotry and hate” directed against her.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-01-10/why-shouldnt-we-dance-on-the-graves-of-anti-vaxxers
Don’t click on Shrike’s links. The FBI may visit you if you do.
In his circles he what's called a chickenhawk.
Anti-vaxxers are anti-faxxers!
(Too bad that more-recent "tech" has made fax machines mostly obsolete. If we still had more fax machines laying around, just like the chickens laying eggs all around in my back yard... See, I AM sticking to the topic here... Then maybe we could use the fax machines to teach the fax to the anti-vaxxers!)
Have you checked the Warren Buffett Net Worth Index today?
It's already plus $8.49 billion for 2022.
That's why I refuse to believe Biden's approval rating is as mediocre as the media claims. Everyone knows Presidential approval is strongly correlated with the economy, and you spent 2009 to 2016 using the WBNWI (not GDP growth) as the most important economic indicator.
Best economy ever => Biden's doing a great job => His real approval rating must be around 90%
#LibertariansForBiden
Do you recall when the Peanut Gallery kept saying Obamacare was in a "death spiral"?
I told them, no it won't happen because its pricing is market based. Which is the only good thing about it.
ACA Sign-Ups Exceed 14 Million As Saturday Enrollment Deadline Nears
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/aca-sign-ups-exceed-14-million-as-saturday-enrollment-deadline-nears/
DEATH SPIRAL! BENGHAZI! WHOOP! DERP!!!!
Those were good times.
No, I wasn't around then.
The person who introduced me to Reason.com was a lurker from the Obama years. He didn't tell me much about your Obamacare insights. But he told me practically every day you'd say something like this:
HEY PEANUTS CAN YOU BELIEVE HOW AMAZING THIS OBAMA ECONOMY IS!!!!! IT'S BETTER THAN ANY PREVIOUS PRESIDENT'S. DON'T LOOK AT GDP GROWTH. INSTEAD LOOK AT WARREN BUFFETT'S NET WORTH. IT WENT UP A LOT THIS WEEK!
BTW you should be careful about linking to LA Times. It's now a wingnut.com site since it made the mistake of covering the i-word as if it's a real issue rather than anti-Biden disinformation based purely on spittin' tobaccy users paying an extra dime for their disgusting habit.
#WikipediaIsTheOnlyReliableSource
OBL, I do not know how you do it every day, day in and day out, but your posts are a god-damned national treasure. Chumby gets the 'Pun Title' (nobody is better) but you get the 'Laughter Out Loud at the Delicious Irony Title'.
I have rarely been so entertained. Do...not...change....ever. 🙂
He couldn't do it without the Buttplug.
True - that he is parodying the Reason writer first (I share their brand of Cosmo- classic liberalism) but they don't respond to him. I do.
The Ron Paul Paleos are dying out.
You can say cocktail party statism.
SPB2...I have laughed at a number of your posts, too. For example, your post on 'HAPERINFLATION' was truly inspired. I have to give credit where credit is due. That said, you sure have a lot of detractors out there. 😉
Chumby and OBL are just in a class all by themselves. How do you know that OBL is a 'He', SBP2? 'Zhe' might be offended in this new age of multi-pronouns. Or OBL could be non-binary (genderless)?
Do you recall when the Peanut Gallery kept saying Obamacare was in a "death spiral"?
No.
I don't.
I remember a lot of people calling it fascist and anti-libertarian. I remember a lot of people being upset at McCain for breaking his election promise to get rid of the damned thing. But I don't remember people claiming it was dying... just its victims.
Why are you shilling for Obamacare anyway, Shrike? Shouldn't one of your socks do that? Don't you like to pretend that SPB2 is somehow libertarian?
I am not shilling for Obamacare, you retard.
I specifically said the "only good thing" about it is the pricing/private marketplace aspect of the legislation.
Progressives HATE Obamacare for that reason. They wanted a British style government no-profit system like Bernie Sanders pitched.
As a classic liberal I have two enemies in the US - progressives and conservatives.
Your third enemy is Chris Hansen.
And age of concent laws
Someone should go through the old shows. One of the perps might be Pluggo.
To catch a Pluggo:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8jZBDnXVYvw
Time magazine asks Trump to remove FAKE covers from display at golf clubs
This article is more than 4 years old
Framed Time cover featuring president and the headline ‘The Apprentice is a television smash!’ has reportedly been seen hanging at five of Trump’s clubs.
Still pushing your Big Lie about the Michigan Republican of the year award, huh ᛋᛋqrls.
I love how mad the truth makes you. Keep crying about it. Your tears are my joy.
You can keep lying about that, but trump and you were lying about Man of the Year. Remember the post that I showed you the 6 times you lied using the word, MAN and what time you said it? You remember that I told you, if it has MAN is the award name, it is a pigment of his imagination, and you seem to believe it too? You might want to see a doctor because your memory is almost as bad as trumps. Do have have Alzheimer's in your family?
Pricing? It is heavily subsidized dumbass.
Non sequiter. A beauty too.
Private insurers price their policies. Subsidies may or may not apply afterward.
Again, because you can't discern reality from what you feel, I said "the only good thing" about the ACA was the private pricing model.
It wasn’t private pricing. It was regulatory pricing. That is how my insurance rose $5k in the first year of the ACA. And the plan I had disappeared and was replaced with something that covered less and had higher copays.
Now go to prison for your crime.
Lol Wow. You think subsidies have zero effect on prices. Wow.
A forced customer base and the promise of recovered losses didn't influence prices dummy?
Did you already forget?
https://nypost.com/2015/11/20/a-new-taxpayer-bailout-to-cover-up-obamacares-failure/
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar besidess entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit
"...As a classic liberal I have two enemies in the US - progressives and conservatives..."
As a lying pile of lefty shit, turd has many enemies.
Mother's Lament (ML) also known as Judas Iscariot.
Fact: Republican of the Year Award. (Notice no "MAN)
LIE: Man of the Year award.
Fact: I never lied about any of this. (You lied twice in 3:56 post)
ML January.13.2022 at 3:51 pm
No, he was awarded a man of the year presentation from the Michigan Republicans.
Lie number 1, no, he WAS awarded Republican of the Year award. Close but still a lie.
ML January.13.2022 at 3:56 pm
The stupid thing is that because Trump said he got the "Michigan Man of the Year Award", rather than the "Michigan Republican Man of the Year Award" he's some sort of liar.
Lie number 2, No, he got Republican of the year award. Close but no cookie. Lie number 3, he won Republican of the year award. 3 strikes.
Side note: trump has lied 100,000+ times in his life and it is almost assumed when he says something, it is a lie. He is some SORT of liar. You're a liar "MAN".
ML January.13.2022 at 4:00 pm
Every link is from the same debunked source.
Lie number 4, No, Google is not a debunked source, Info Wars is.
January.13.2022 at 4:03 pm
Hey, when are you going to apologize for lying about the Michigan Republican Man of the year award?
Lie number 5, No, just something floating around in his and your pea brain.
ML January.13.2022 at 4:06 pm
Hey, are you ever going to apologize for lying about the Michigan Republican Man of the year award?
Lie number 6 Trump was told many times this award didn't exist, but you lied about it more than he did.
Didn't you ever learn not to lie? Leviticus 19:11“’Do not LIE. “’Do not DECEIVE one another.
ML January.13.2022 at 6:11 pm
Trump was obviously talking about the Michigan Republican of the Year award.
You FINALLY got the award that he won (no "MAN".) Why didn't you notice he was lying about the Man of the Year award? If he
hadn't been called on his lie so many times, he would still be lying about this fictious award.
ANY post by you that mentions "MAN" is a lie by you or Trump. You mentioned "MAN" five times above, ALL lies.
Obviously? Now you are the mind reader to lying stars?
Now you should admit that trump LIED.
Now you should admit that you lied when you said trump didn't lie.
Now you should admit that I never lied.
Say ᛋᛋqrlsy, are you really still doubling down on your lie about the Michigan Republican of the Year award?
You lost the argument and were exposed as a liar. Get over it. You already look stupid enough.
More lies? You must be exhausted making up all these lies; do you drink a dozen Diet Cokes a day? Do you know the difference between a lie and the truth? I told the TRUTH dozens of times, you told dozens of lies. How do YOU refute the TRUTH? Let's let everyone decide, 6 of your favorite lies.
Mother's Lament (ML) also known as Judas Iscariot.
Fact: Republican of the Year Award. (Notice no "MAN)
LIE: Man of the Year award.
Fact: I never lied about any of this. (You lied twice in 3:56 post)
ML January.13.2022 at 3:51 pm
No, he was awarded a man of the year presentation from the Michigan Republicans.
Lie number 1, no, he WAS awarded Republican of the Year award. Close but still a lie.
ML January.13.2022 at 3:56 pm
The stupid thing is that because Trump said he got the "Michigan Man of the Year Award", rather than the "Michigan Republican Man of the Year Award" he's some sort of liar.
Lie number 2, No, he got Republican of the year award. Close but no cookie. Lie number 3, he won Republican of the year award. 3 strikes.
Side note: trump has lied 100,000+ times in his life and it is almost assumed when he says something, it is a lie. He is some SORT of liar. You're a liar "MAN".
ML January.13.2022 at 4:00 pm
Every link is from the same debunked source.
Lie number 4, No, Google is not a debunked source, Info Wars is.
January.13.2022 at 4:03 pm
Hey, when are you going to apologize for lying about the Michigan Republican Man of the year award?
Lie number 5, No, just something floating around in his and your pea brain.
ML January.13.2022 at 4:06 pm
Hey, are you ever going to apologize for lying about the Michigan Republican Man of the year award?
Lie number 6 Trump was told many times this award didn't exist, but you lied about it more than he did.
Didn't you ever learn not to lie? Leviticus 19:11“’Do not LIE. “’Do not DECEIVE one another.
ML January.13.2022 at 6:11 pm
Trump was obviously talking about the Michigan Republican of the Year award.
You FINALLY got the award that he won (no "MAN".) Why didn't you notice he was lying about.
the Man of the Year award? If he
hadn't been called on his lie so many times, he would still be lying about this fictious award.
ANY post by you that mentions "MAN" is a lie by you or Trump. You mentioned "MAN" five times above, ALL lies.
Obviously? Now you are the mind reader to lying stars?
Now you should admit that trump LIED.
Now you should admit that you lied when you said trump didn't lie.
Now you should admit that I never lie.
Also, if anyone still doubts that the idiot behind ᛋᛋqrlsy isn't also dbruce, this post should disabuse them of the notion.
Just like with Hihn's socks, you pushback a little and the same old garbage comes pouring out.
I don't doubt sarc has many socks. But good call.
Trying to defend Trump lies is a FULL-time job, 0.87 lies per HOUR!
You must drink a 100 diet cokes a day; you probably have empties piled up all over the place.
You probably believe trumps story about the Access Hollywood pussy grabber where he claimed it was just "locker room talk" when he was 59 years old?
The Lie Explained: On November 8, 2016 at a rally in Michigan, Donald Trump said:
“I was honored. Five years ago, Man of the Year in Michigan. That was a great honor for me.”
Remarkably, despite the negative press coverage this lie generated, Trump repeated it less than two days later, during his speech opening election day, also in Michigan.
The Truth: There is NO RECORD of any such award ever being given to Trump.
Okay ᛋᛋqrlsy.
Donald Trump Admits To Just Making Up Awards In Newly Resurfaced Video
The president confesses to giving himself bogus awards "all the time" in the 2011 video. He answered his own question by running footage of Trump in 2011 confessing to an audience in Australia that he gives himself bogus awards “all the time.”
“And then I announce, ‘I’ve just received an award,’ and there’s nothing deceptive about it because I actually did, but I gave it to myself,” Trump explained in the old clip.
Who the fuck cares
ML January.13.2022 at 3:56 pm
The stupid thing is that because Trump said he got the "Michigan Man of the Year Award", rather than the "Michigan Republican Man of the Year Award" he's some sort of liar.
Lie number 2, No, he got Republican of the year award. Close but no cookie. Lie number 3, he won Republican of the year award.
3 strikes.
Side note: trump has lied 100,000+ times in his life and it is almost assumed when he says something, it is a lie. He is some SORT of liar. You're a liar "MAN"
January.13.2022 at 4:03 pm
Hey, when are you going to apologize for lying about the Michigan Republican Man of the year award? (Subtract the "MAN" and you accidently will have told the truth.) What is your thing with the lying "MAN"?
Lie number 5, No, just something floating around in his and your pea brain. It is easy to locate your and trump lies, just spot the "MAN". Get off the "MAN" and admit that you two are pathological prevaricators.
FACTCHECK.ORG
This is what we did find: It appears that Trump is referring to a 2013 dinner hosted by a county Republican Party organization, which presented him with token gifts – including a statuette of Abraham Lincoln. But a former Republican congressman who organized the dinner said Trump DID NOT receive an award, and the group has NEVER given out “MAN of the year” awards.
As we said, we COULD NOT find any such award bestowed on Trump (and neither could other news outlets, including CNN, Newsweek and HuffPost). Former Rep. Dave Trott said Trump is referring to the Oakland County Republican Party’s Lincoln Day Dinner in 2013. Trott, who was chairman of the dinner, invited Trump to speak at the event. In an interview with Michigan Live, Trott recalled that Trump delivered a “rambling speech touching every topic under the sun.” Afterward, the organization presented Trump with a statuette of Abraham Lincoln, a framed copy of Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address and a tie, Trott said. But there was NO AWARD, he said.
“I was the organizer and chair of that, and we WEREN'T handing out "MAN" of the Year awards and NEVER HAVE,” Trott told the Detroit News. “That’s not part of the club’s mission. The context of Trump’s comments at the roundtable in Ypsilanti lends credence to the idea that Trump believes he received an award at the Lincoln Day Dinner in Michigan in 2013 — an event at which Trott says Trump was NOT AWARDED Michigan’s “MAN of the year.” Trump WASN'T living in Mich. and never has. All state awards usually require you live in the state.
Trump’s claim is vague enough — he HASN'T provided an exact year or the name of the organization that supposedly honored him — that it makes it nearly impossible to entirely disprove. But the responsibility to back-up political claims rests with the politicians who made them, and in this case, neither the White House nor Trump’s presidential campaign has provided any information on the president’s boast. If any such proof ever emerges, we’ll update our story.
All it took was reduction of 5 million jobs. Everyone celebrate!
Imagine being such a know nothing partisan fuck that you keep trying to claim that Obamacare has market based pricing.
“Necessary” is a stupid word to use there. I would use “resentful waste of time.”
Probably is.
While I oppose fed/state mandates (for the same reason people have the right to reject life saving blood transfusions) it is our duty to ridicule bad ideas such as anti-vaxx propaganda. Using the dead to illustrate anti-vaxx ignorance seems like a small price for the cause.
No it’s not.
Neat how you keep conflating ordinary protein vaccines which have almost 200 years of reliability, with an experimental mRNA technology that has had no real world testing.
Well, that is not technically true anymore = an experimental mRNA technology that has had no real world testing
We all participated in a huge real world experiment for the last two years. We can thank the fucking Red Chinese for that.
The tests are ongoing with the use of boosters.
It is interesting that someone that hates the FDA and wishes they didn't exist cries for their full vaccine approval.
When mandates are being pushed it makes you wonder why corners are cut, no?
People often weigh the risk of off label medications. Some choose to do it, some not. If you forced them to take off label meds you'd see an uprising as well.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar besidess entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit
Why do you conflate the fda should not be telling people what they can't put in their bodies with the fda should be forcing people to inject something into their bidies
Statists don't recognize the issue of free choice.
I could care less if they get full approval from the same people that approve drugs that can give you Turrets, have suicidal thoughts, or allow a certain amount of rat shit in your meat. My issue is they have 100% liability protection and emergency use when there are other viable treatment options out there.
Trump’s Claimed at Least 6 Times That He’s Been Michigan’s ‘Man of the Year.’ There’s Only One Problem: The Award DOESN'T EXIST.
There is only one problem: Michigan DOESN'T have a man of the year, and if they did it would go to a Michigander not an orange walrus from New York. And CNN notes that this isn’t the first time he’s told this lie. In fact, he’s been kicking this story, or some version of the story, since 2016.
Sure it does. It's called the Michigan Republican of the Year you delusional lunatic.
MSNBC
Donald Trump is a LOT of things, but "Michigan Man of the Year" is NOT one of them. It's NOT even an award that exists in real life - just in Trump's brain.
Have you prepared for your 3 apologies yet?
Here's another clue to keep yourself from your incessant lying. If you try to lie about a state award like Michigan Man of the year. They DON'T give a Michigan (or any state) man of the year award (if they had one) to someone who DOESN'T live in Michigan.
Fact: Republican of the Year Award. (Notice no "MAN)
LIE: Man of the Year award.
Fact: I never lied about any of this. (You lied twice in 3:56 post)
Is it also imperative to just ignore all counter information demonstrating a higher than average risk for a disease that is virtually harmless to huge populations in the country?
"it is our duty to ridicule bad ideas such as anti-vaxx propaganda. "
No, it is our duty to ridicule pedophiles who post child porn on the Reason comment sites.
There is nothing more hypocritical than a fucking pedophile thinking that he should be part of ANY societal pressure to enforce any sort of behavior. You, SPB are a despicable pedophile and should be ashamed to be posting on this site.
it is our duty to ridicule bad ideas such as anti-vaxx propaganda.
It depends on what you want to accomplish.
If you want to make yourself feel good laughing at the morons who think that there are microchips in the vaccine, then sure.
If you think the anti-vaxxers are hopelessly opposed and beyond persuasion, then sure, your strategy might "send a message" to others that this is a terrible idea. But, that closes off all avenues of recourse.
I prefer to be optimistic, and that most people will eventually see that no, the vaccine doesn't have microchips, it's not full of poison, it's not "gene therapy", and all of the vaccine side-effects - with the possible exception of Guilles-Barre syndrome, which is a risk for ANY vaccine, whether it's the COVID one or not - have a higher risk profile with the virus itself, than with the vaccine.
It would help if people would stop lumping anyone who doesn’t agree with mandates, has read the studies and reports on the waning efficacy of the shots, points out that yes, in fact, officials were leading people to believe they would be immunized, or acknowledges that the vaccinated are still catching/transmitting the virus, together with the morons who think you’re getting microchipped or poisoned.
Could you cite the studies which persuaded you that the vaccine was not worth getting?
I have linked you to them. You haven't bothered to read them. Dr. Malone and Dr. McCullough listed dozens of them but you dismissed them solely because they appeared on Rogan.
Youre dishonest jeff. You don't want a real conversation.
As I said, Jesse, I have muted you for months. I decided this weekend to take a break to see if I could have an intelligent conversation with you. So, if you have linked these studies before, I most likely missed them. So what is a study that persuaded you to reject the vaccine?
Fucking liar. You didn’t miss shit because you had Jesse muted. Everyone saw you dismiss them specifically because they were on Joe Rogan.
You went full sarc on the subject, in fact.
And, speaking of the good Dr. Malone...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-favorite-anti-vaxxer-guests-alex-berenson-and-robert-malone-are-at-war
So, Alex Berenson -- a vaccine skeptic, by the way -- went on Fox News and said that Dr. Malone wasn't *THE* inventor of mRNA technology (which is a true statement, the technology had many inventors, Dr. Malone was just one of many), and also that it's a "huge overstatement" to say that "ivermectin has been proven to work", which is also a fair statement, since its effectiveness is still under investigation.
How did Dr. Malone choose to respond? Did he try to defend his claim that he alone was THE INVENTOR of mRNA technology by presenting, oh I don't know, patents or lab notebooks? Did he try to demonstrate ivermectin's effectiveness with citing studies? No, he called Berenson names, and then said he was "CONTROLLED OPPOSITION". Which is what you'd say if you're thinking about the vaccine from a political tribalist perspective. That the important part here isn't to have a discussion about the risks and benefits of the vaccine, but instead to view the vaccine in the context of which tribe will "win". Very telling indeed.
There was a writeup in Nature a little while ago about how the mRNA technology was invented, and Dr. Malone was indeed one of the inventors, but he was snubbed out of the subsequent royalties from the invention. I think it's plausible that his current alignment with Team Red and his anti-vaxx statements are partly his mRNA revenge tour for being snubbed.
As often happens when people try to get all sanctimonious, the vaccine has not performed according to Vax-Maxi's predictions. Despite the lectures and sneering, their tut-tutting about killing grandma or preventing infection was wrong. And yet, they are equally sanctimonious as they proclaim the virus's effectiveness at preventing hospitalization from COVID.
But, for the vast majority of our population, the risk of this virus is tiny. Once you get under 40 and are relatively healthy the need to vaccinate becomes vanishingly small, especially in comparison to the shaming urgency that vaccine proponents continue to display.
Perhaps instead of being optimistic, the better tact for vaccine proponents is to show a little contrition for their over-enthusiastic drug-pushing, and then a little bit of realistic goal setting. Many people don't need to get the vaccine, regardless of the actual risk the jab might pose. Insisting that the vaccine is a one-size-fits-all solution to every COVID question with absolute surety is probably only going to put off the same people that listened to you optimistically insist they had a duty to stop the spread with the same vaccine.
Well, Reason ate my response, so let me try again.
People gave a lot of bullshit reasons for being opposed to the vaccine. That the vaccine ended up not being as effective as originally thought does not mean that those bullshit reasons are somehow vindicated. Empirically we know that the vaccine, when it is "fresh" in the body, works, as evidenced by the fall in case numbers last spring and summer when vaccination was being rolled out everywhere.
And Jeff defends his views by strawmanning conspiracybtheorirws virtually nobody believes in.
This is why jeff is so dishonest.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar besidess entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit
"Today in Ethics"
Let's discuss why SPB posted Child Porn, was banned from this site, and then continues to show up under a new account, pretending that it never happened.
Let's discuss the ethics of even engaging someone like this in real conversation, rather than shunning them as the pariah they ought to be.
It is part of being a progressive. Nobody has rights, just feelings. When they see someone more successful, productive than they are they want the fruits of that labor. It makes them feels good to consume based on the labor of others. And when they have their urges, they will take the innocence away from children. The children have no rights. There are no rights. Just feelings. Their feelings.
My lived experience trumps what actually happened.
"...and then continues to show up under a new account, pretending that it never happened..."
turd lies; it's all turd ever does.
It's my head canon that Soros' open society directly supplies him, and that's why he shills for them.
"Let's discuss why SPB posted Child Porn, was banned from this site, and then continues to show up under a new account, pretending that it never happened"
I've thought quite a bit about it, and the only conclusion I can really come to, is that he's paid to be here. He's fifty-centing. Paid to shitpost, and divide, and horrify and cause acrimony.
That's also why he keeps posting the same ActBlue talking points, over and over, even if they were effectively rebutted the day before.
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trump man of the year lie
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FACT: THIS IS A LIE. the Michigan Chamber of Commerce said it DIDN'T give out an award like that and Trump has NEVER been on Detroit News's annual "Michiganians of the Year" list.
Michigan Republican of the Year = Michigan Man of the Year, because Proggies aren't men.
Fact: Republican of the Year Award. (Notice no "MAN) A rare trump truth.
LIE: Man of the Year award. (No one has EVER heard of it). Typical trump lie.
Fact: I never lied about any of this. (You lied twice in 3:56 PM. post)
I will leave this section blank in case you ever want to TRY to refute any of my truthful statements for once, for a change.
You will never get ML to admit to a lie, even though he lies constantly.
Just the other day he accused me of "dancing on Herman Cain's grave" when I did no such thing. He confused me with another poster that he dislikes. Rather than admit his simple error, he refuses to even acknowledge the error. I think he comes from the "real men never apologize" school of thought, which is of course baloney.
I am starting to believe that. He took my factchecker, copied it and misread it and called me a liar. He thinks I am someone else too.
Jeff, please explain the distinction you care between man of and republican. Why is the distinction so important?
Can you answer that. I can. Politics.
Why don't you ask dbruce?
Fact: Republican of the Year Award. (Notice no "MAN)
LIE: Michigan Man of the Year award.
Trump never lived in Michigan, obviously a bald faced lie he told for years, like he does for years, see Pinocchio Lies.
Why would you want a backward chicken? Chickens are supposed to point one way: forward.
That’s science.
Just don't slash them multiple times w a sword.
You know who else said "Forward"?
Andrew Yang?
Someone that choked their chicken?
Abe Cahan?
It wasn't Bud Abbott. He said, "Go ahead and back up."
Thank you, Emily Litella.
How to convince more urban/Democratic Karens to support chicken raising? Promise support for universal poultry suffrage. (And perhaps federal welfare programs for unmarried hens.)
Inform them about the estrogen in chicken eggs. Men consuming a lot get fat and beta. That should get the Karens to put their glass of bag in box down and take notice.
And maybe pitch eating eggs as chicken abortions, and the right of every hen--a right under threat!
If progressives thought about that, they would have already scrambled to support this.
It would be over, easy.
Now, Chumby, what is this obsession people (mostly men) have with what men eat and the hormone levels and masculinity of men?
I, for one, love eating my eggs with Red Flannel Hash (corned beef with diced beets, potatoes, onions, and peppers.) Does this make my diet and me androgynous? Does it make me a vegetable too?
And I take the initiative and make it all by myself, so isn't that Alpha?
I say this is Lumberjack Food and that's OK!
The Lumberjack Song--Monty Python's Flying Circus
https://youtu.be/pfRdur8GLBM
What about the rights of roosters (who are killed in their youth by chicken farmers), and the transgender chickens?
A new zoning plan that Utica, New York, residents had hoped would include provisions for chicken ownership failed to take hold this year.
Let's hope the right-to-keep-and-raise-chicks movement wins here. Then poultry owners all over the nation can flock to their City Hall chanting: "U-ti-ca! U-ti-ca! U-ti-ca!"
So it's progressives who want to raise chickens vs. Karens who don't want their neighborhood turned into a noisy farm. Should be interesting.
Yup. This may not go over easy.
Dunno. They seem to be scrambling.
The Karens should be sunny side up...without getting turned over!
Roosters are noisy. Chickens are quiet. And fresh eggs are really good.
With how often you post daily mail links, wondering how you missed this one
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9827893/Nancy-Pelosis-son-Paul-involved-FIVE-companies-probed-feds.html
Hey Jesse. I saw jeff let you hold the football like an idiot, and in one of his comments he said he didn't know what you were talking about because he had you on mute. And even when he looked at your link it was lame.
I still have you on mute.
Your libertarian moment will consist of you locked down to your property, masked and forcibly vaccinated while tending to your backyard chickens and smoking regulated and taxed legal weed.
Sounds like the national LP or Reason editors/writers
FYI I read a story a few years ago about the sharp rise of chickens showing up in animal shelters. The obvious question was "the fuck?"
Turns out there's this new urban farming, progressive craze called "backyard chickens" and for a lot of people who get into this hobby, they realize pretty quick that backyard farming sucks, because it takes a commitment of time and resources that most people aren't really willing to do. So they start dumping their backyard chickens on the local shelters in record numbers.
I don’t doubt you once read an article like that. I highly doubt you have any reason, other than your disdain for progressives, to label backyard chicken farming as a progressive trend.
Way to defend progressives Mr. Liarson. Some of us are proud of our disdain for progressives. Sorry to offend those you worship.
Most non-progressives would slaughter the chicken and eat them. It is what my family did when I was younger, growing up in rural Iowa. Giving them to a shelter takes a special idiot. I am sure you understand.
Why would someone assume you're a leftist as you rush to defend them at every criticism.
Urban, backyard farming has always been a hobby horse of progressives.
But don't take my word for it.
You have not proven at all that raising chickens in one’s backyard is something conservatives, and even non-political people, don’t also do.
The article above mentions many communities across America, of many ideological bents.
Where did he say ALL. He said generally.
Stop with the idiotic sealioning
Ask Mike for the cite. 🙂
I’m sure Walmart sells this book on raising backyard chickens because all their progressive customers demand it:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Backyard-Chickens-for-Beginners-Essential-step-by-step-guide-to-raising-chickens-in-your-backyard-choosing-a-coop-feeding-and-care-Paperback/710618702
No sillier an argument than your trying to turn growing chickens into a political marker.
Do you ever get tired of viewing every last thing in life through a partisan lens?
Youre the run rushing today defend the left here. He never said only the left raised chickens shit weasel.
Take it easy. Mike is on the spectrum and has trouble with both subtlety and confrontation.
I have a backyard with fruit trees. And Grape vines. Kind of a hobby of mine. I am not a progressive, but no one (but you) claim it is solely done by progressives. And he labeled returning chickens to an animal shelter as the progressive trait. Not the backyard farm as you are running stupidly with. I need to mute you again.
Huh, this homeschooling site has info on raising backyard chickens. Must be a nest of progressives:
https://thecraftyclassroom.com/2020/07/18/homeschooling-with-backyard-chickens/
Urban and backyard farming as the modern "revolution" is very much tied in with progressive politics surrounding "sustainability" and eliminating "factory farms".
I think it is more like backyard chicken farming is a trendy urban/suburban thing, and people who often go for trendy urban/suburban things are progressives, so there is a strong correlation between "backyard chicken farming" and "progressives". But it's not like "backyard chicken farming" was a Bernie Sanders campaign plank or anything.
Those people are dumbasses more than any ideology (although Progressives are a subset of dumbass.) Don't they know that they can always eat their investment if they don't have time or energy to raise them?
A group of hens is a clutch, not a flock.
A group of hens is brunch, chicken eggs benidict
Only if combined with orange juice and champagne on the side.
A group of *eggs* is a clutch. A group of hens is a flock or brood.
I live in Iowa. Chickens are not allowed in my city. I do live in the poor section of one of the fancier suburbs. There is a group trying to get them allowed. I can buy chicks at the local Theisens.
"Poor section of the fancy suburb?" Does that mean houses sit on only 3/4 acre lots and people drive new Accords instead of Acuras?
Split level house built in 1965. 1/8 acre. We drive used cars (Fords) bought after the depreciation has occurred. We look up to one day moving to the 3/4 Acre new Accord area.
“Iowa lot more on this house and car than the previous ones.”
What does a scientific agency do when its messaging is so muddled that the mainstream media even referred to its guidance as "choose your own adventure"? You hire a PR firm!
Democratic media consultant... because this is science, not politics. Follow the political scientism!
You go girl.
Assistant: This is our esteemed director, Mammy Walensky... and she'd appreciated if you'd eat her farina and vote her in a second term! *looks over at Rochelle Walensky* Hey, Mammy, ain't you gonna press the flesh?
Walensky: You nitwit, we ain't one-at-a-timin' it here! We's MASS communicatin'!
Mammy Walensky meets with her PR firm.
Wakensky is a terrible communicator, as is Fauci.
Yet you believe every lie out of their mouths. Weird.
It's the old saying "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me dozens of time, well that's okay as long as you a progressive."
But the Fauci makes a good buck, has his wife on the NIH payroll making close to $200K a year as a "bioethic" whatever the hell that is and is worth $10M-pretty good for govt work
Utica NY needs industry of some sort. My wife was from nearby Rome and for decades I had to go to the area for the holidays. Utica was once a typical central NY small manufacturing city. It became a hub for Italian immigrants but like most of central NY the "yenta" class from NYC took over the State and shut down business and expanded a massive regulatory state that enriched Wall Street and nonprofits/academia and the usual suspects. So many areas of Utica look like the streets have not been updated since the great depression. To be honest let the people have chickens..I would bet 100 years ago many immigrant families in Utica had chickens. The real solution is for the countries west of Albany (sans Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse) to join Ohio and get the F out of the bolshevik hell that is called NY run by commies from NYC
Based on the discussion yesterday, I've taken some time to think more about voting from a libertarian perspective.
Voting is a right. It is a civil right, not a natural right, but nonetheless it is a right. Because it is a right, two important axioms for libertarians follow:
1. The right to vote, like other rights, should be protected for its own sake, just like we protect all other rights. We don't (or shouldn't) condition our support for free speech rights based on our opinion of the person speaking or the words said, except in vanishingly few cases (direct threats etc.) We don't (or shouldn't) support the right to free speech for utiiltarian reasons, because we think it produces a superior outcome (although it does). Likewise our support for the right to vote shouldn't be conditional on the person voting (e.g., "I don't want stupid people voting!") and it shouldn't be conditional based on what the perceived outcome would be ("If *those* people vote, bad things could happen, so I'm opposed to letting them vote!").
2. As with all rights, we retain the liberty to exercise them at our discretion, and the state should have to meet a very high burden before deciding if the right should be curtailed or restricted in some way. That is why rights are rights and not privileges. Our mentality with voting rights, like with all rights, should be to insist that the state should bear the burden of justifying restricting a right, rather than placing the burden on the voter justifying the exercise of the right.
So when it comes to thinking about different ways to run an election, I would argue we should keep these two axioms in mind.
We should stop thinking of voting as some privilege that only the prepared should be worthy of exercising. That is how I grew up thinking about voting, and I bet that is a fairly common viewpoint, but I have come to realize that that mentality is wrong. It is a right, that all eligible voters get to exercise, whether we would regard them as "fit" or not.
Should there be no-excuse absentee voting? Should there be all mail-in voting? Should there be early voting? What rubric should be use to evaluate these possible voting methods? Again we should keep Axiom 2 in mind. If the voters want no-excuse absentee voting or early voting, then the state should do the best job that it can to make that happen, while trying to maintain secure voting. Again the burden should not fall on the voters to have to justify why they want absentee voting. The burden should fall on the state to try to demonstrate why it can't work, and it should have to meet a high burden when doing so - not just hypothetical situations about what *could* happen.
This way of viewing regulations surrounding elections is also more consistent with how we tend to view regulations generally - with a skeptical eye.
Finally, we should also keep in mind that the legislators who write the rules for the conduct of elections also write the rules for ballot access. We KNOW that legislators from the two teams write ballot access laws purposefully to try to rig the system in their favor. So why should we think that all of the other election rules have a motivation that is any more sincere?
How can you constantly be so wrong? Voting is literally a privilege. People can be denied it. Only citizens may vote. Ages have been changed. Who can vote has been changed. Non citizens can purchase weapons, they can't vote. They have a right to Healthcare, they can't vote.
You didnt think about shit. You reiterated your same tired bullshit. Just rationalization of why voting preferences of the left should be pushed forward. That's all you do. Rationalize how the policies of the left can have an appearance of liberty when they clearly don't.
All you are stating is that voting is a *civil* right, meaning that it is a right that is created by the government, rather than a natural right, meaning a right that is innate or inherent that governments are obliged to protect. That the voting age has changed over the years doesn't mean that it's not a right, it means that the right's scope has changed.
And if voting is a mere privilege, then in your view, what is the point of voting? Conventionally, the purpose of voting was so that the government represented the will of the people, because that confers legitimacy to the subsequent actions of the government. But if the government gets to set arbitrary criteria for who is permitted to vote, then the government gets to manufacture its own legitimacy by pre-selecting who gets to choose it. So why even engage in the pretense of voting? Why not just install a ruling party and be done with it?
I guess this question is too hard for Jesse to answer.
And if voting is a mere privilege, then in your view, what is the point of voting?
So close to realizing that low participation means nothing,
Why not just install a ruling party and be done with it?
and yet so far.
What do you mean? The greater the participation, the greater sampling of the people's opinions is collected.
They have a right to Healthcare, they can't vote.
Wait, so you believe there is a right to healthcare?
Well, Trump cleared it up for us at his Arizona rally: inflation is not being caused by “supply change” problems.
As nations decide to live with the virus, some disease experts warn of surrendering too soon
Surrendering to going back to normal. Say it ain't so!
So... we CAN'T vaccinate our way to zero covid. Do I chalk another conspiracy theory up to mainstream news now?
Maybe these countries should work to find out exactly how covid came to be and spread.
Haha, it’s not impossible to raise hens to lay eggs. If there are too many chickens, there will be a lot of chicken feces, which is too bad
Still wearing a watch orologi replica rolex, it's better to enjoy the sun in the yard
Wow, what towering intellect You've got there, Oh Superior One!
Compared to you ᛋᛋqrlsy, even anencephalics are towering intellectual giants.
Dizzle's not even on the same planet as an angry retard like you.
Wow, what towering intellect You've got there, Oh All-Knowing One!
Hey look kids, it's almost as smart as a rock!
You have ZERO reasons to believe that I post under multiple names here, other than, you are fearful that (OMG!) there might be MORE THAN ONE person out there, who is capable of writing eloquently enough to persuade other intelligent and flexible-minded (open-minded) people that individual freedom is a REALLY good idea! So you engage in wish fulfillment fantasy, telling yourself that they (we) are all one and the same, so that you and your fellow authoritarians can out-number them more easily. Good luck with that, mind-reader who failed!
You believe crap that is totally false, w/o evidence to back yourself up! Just like Rob Misek and the other fantasy-addicted authoritarians around here!
No wonder he is always hungry.
Your forest that you dwell in, troglodyte pre-chimpanzee = Trumpanzee, is the brain-dead forest of utter, unrelenting "My Tribe's lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD; Your tribe's lies leading to violence against My Tribe BAD!"
Der TrumpfenFuhrer is leading us to mass death and destruction! Refute the FACTS in the article linked below, brain-dead tribalist!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
Exactly like that, ᛋᛋqrls. Your dbruce sock does the same thing.
Marxist Mammary, Your mammaries are old, stale, and BORING!!! Get some NEW ones! Even if they're pus-filled instead of saline-filled or silicone-filled, get some NEW ones!
"hey kids"... What literary GENIUS! Got a COPYRIGHT on that yet, Oh Great Genius?
I dont know why sarc thinks acting drunker than he is is amusing. He is generally drunk enough.
As far as intellectual towers go, Dizzle's the Burj Khalifa to your Bingham Canyon Mine.
Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency.
Former president made almost 21 untrue statements a day while in office, analysis suggests. He has to work harder since he got kicked off Twitter. He needs to practice a little more because he has taking the stand under oath coming up really soon and then there's prison when he has to lie to his cell mate.
Do you have any clue why Mother's Lament thinks we are connected somehow?
Repeat from above comment, repeated further below. Herd instinct, dog-pile instinct. ALL of us good conservatives are good and right and true! When we gain more numbers, we can take POWAH!!! So we can fool ourselves into believing that we "have the numbers"... Like Trump taking a crowd of 100 people and calling it 100,000, but only when the YUUUUUGE crowd supports HIM... Conservatives here like to believe that ALL of the people who oppose their authoritarian power-grabbing ways, are all one and the same, socks of one another! Just a VERY few! "Wish fulfillment fantasy" as an excuse for power-grabbing, is what it boils down to. And ego! There could not POSSIBLY be hundreds and thousands, or millions, of people who don't buy my power-tripping, authoritarian ways!!!
(Repeat from further above, is below).
You have ZERO reasons to believe that I post under multiple names here, other than, you are fearful that (OMG!) there might be MORE THAN ONE person out there, who is capable of writing eloquently enough to persuade other intelligent and flexible-minded (open-minded) people that individual freedom is a REALLY good idea! So you engage in wish fulfillment fantasy, telling yourself that they (we) are all one and the same, so that you and your fellow authoritarians can out-number them more easily. Good luck with that, mind-reader who failed!
And you can't forget there's all the antics of Coy and Bubba and all of the Lodge Brothers at the 43rd Annual Convention of the Grand Mystic Royal Order of the Nobles of the Ali Baba Temple of the Shrine:
"Shriner's Convention--Ray Stevens (Music Video) [From Get Serious]
https://youtu.be/pO_tXzeiZAQ