In the Case That Blocked OSHA's Vaccine Mandate, the Justices Disagreed About When COVID-19 Counts As a Workplace Hazard
The crux of the argument is the distinction "between occupational risk and risk more generally."

When the Supreme Court blocked enforcement of the Biden administration's vaccine mandate for private employers yesterday, the three dissenters said the majority was recklessly overriding the judgment of experts who know best how to make workplaces safe. But as the majority saw it, the dissenters were ready to let unelected bureaucrats exercise sweeping powers that Congress never gave them.
Underlying that split is the question of whether and when COVID-19 counts as a workplace hazard, justifying regulation by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), as opposed to a general risk that Americans face throughout the day, which goes beyond that agency's statutory mission. All of the justices agreed that OSHA does not have a general license to protect public health, and all of them agreed that the agency does have the power to address COVID-19 in the workplace. But while the dissenters were willing to let OSHA define that problem in general terms, justifying a broad solution covering 84 million employees, the majority thought the agency was obliged to be more specific and discriminating.
OSHA's rule, which it published on November 5, demands that companies with 100 or more employees require them to be vaccinated against COVID-19 or wear face masks and submit to weekly virus testing. The agency presented that edict as an "emergency temporary standard" (ETS), which avoids the usual rule-making process but requires OSHA to show that its regulations are "necessary" to protect employees from a "grave danger" in the workplace. Those criteria are not easy to satisfy, which helps explain why OSHA has rarely used this option.
"Prior to the emergence of COVID–19," the Supreme Court notes in its decision imposing a stay on the vaccine mandate, OSHA "had used this power just nine times" and "never to issue a rule as broad as this one." Of those nine emergency standards, "six were challenged in court, and only one of those was upheld in full." As Justice Neil Gorsuch notes in his concurring opinion, those rules all dealt with "dangers uniquely prevalent inside the workplace, like asbestos and rare chemicals."
OSHA has previously issued regulations that addressed communicable diseases. In 1990, it issued a nonemergency standard dealing with bloodborne pathogens, and last June it published a COVID-19 ETS for the health care industry. But both of those rules aimed to protect employees who faced special hazards because of the nature of their work (handling blood samples and treating COVID-19 patients, respectively), and neither of them encouraged or required employers to make vaccination mandatory. That is something OSHA, which has existed for more than half a century, has never done before—a point that the justices emphasized during oral arguments last week and again in yesterday's decision.
"OSHA has never before imposed such a mandate," the Court notes. "Nor has Congress. Indeed, although Congress has enacted significant legislation addressing the COVID–19 pandemic, it has declined to enact any measure similar to what OSHA has promulgated here….The most noteworthy action concerning the vaccine mandate by either House of Congress has been a majority vote of the Senate disapproving the regulation on December 8, 2021."
In a joint dissent, Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan argue that OSHA's unprecedented rule is justified by the unprecedented threat that COVID-19 poses:
The Standard responds to a workplace health emergency unprecedented in the agency's history: an infectious disease that has already killed hundreds of thousands and sickened millions; that is most easily transmitted in the shared indoor spaces that are the hallmark of American working life; and that spreads mostly without regard to differences in occupation or industry. Over the past two years, COVID-19 has affected—indeed, transformed—virtually every workforce and workplace in the Nation. Employers and employees alike have recognized and responded to the special risks of transmission in work environments. It is perverse, given these circumstances, to read the Act's grant of emergency powers in the way the majority does—as constraining OSHA from addressing one of the gravest workplace hazards in the agency's history.
Even as Breyer et al. emphasize the society-wide threat posed by COVID-19, they suggest the risk is especially acute in the workplace, where employees typically gather inside for eight hours a day. That basic fact, the dissenters argue, justifies OSHA's broad approach, because the coronavirus "spreads mostly without regard to differences in occupation or industry."
The majority, by contrast, thinks such differences are legally crucial. So does OSHA, to some extent. In a nod toward the tailoring required by the statutory criteria for an ETS, the agency exempted employees who work exclusively outdoors, exclusively at home, or exclusively alone. But as the Court notes, "those exemptions are largely illusory." OSHA estimates, for example, that "only nine percent of landscapers and groundskeepers qualify as working exclusively outside." If they briefly enter an indoor space at the beginning of the workday, that is enough to trigger OSHA's vaccine-or-mask-and-test requirement. Likewise for a consultant who works remotely most of the time but visits the office occasionally.
More generally, the majority says, OSHA has failed to draw appropriate distinctions between different work situations that pose widely varying risks of virus transmission. "Although COVID-19 is a risk that occurs in many workplaces, it is not an occupational hazard in most," the Court says. "COVID–19 can and does spread at home, in schools, during sporting events, and everywhere else that people gather. That kind of universal risk is no different from the day-to-day dangers that all face from crime, air pollution, or any number of communicable diseases. Permitting OSHA to regulate the hazards of daily life—simply because most Americans have jobs and face those same risks while on the clock—would significantly expand OSHA's regulatory authority without clear congressional authorization."
The majority thinks "it is telling that OSHA, in its half century of existence, has never before adopted a broad public health regulation of this kind—addressing a threat that is untethered, in any causal sense, from the workplace." Breyer et al. note that OSHA historically has addressed hazards, such as fire, noise, and contaminated drinking water, that are not unique to the workplace. "But a vaccine mandate is strikingly unlike the workplace regulations that OSHA has typically imposed," the majority responds. "A vaccination, after all, 'cannot be undone at the end of the workday.'…Contrary to the dissent's contention, imposing a vaccine mandate on 84 million Americans in response to a worldwide pandemic is simply not 'part of what the agency was built for.'"
The majority nevertheless concedes that OSHA has the authority to address COVID-19 in certain contexts:
Where the virus poses a special danger because of the particular features of
an employee's job or workplace, targeted regulations are plainly permissible. We do not doubt, for example, that OSHA could regulate researchers who work with the COVID–19 virus. So too could OSHA regulate risks associated with working in particularly crowded or cramped environments. But the danger present in such workplaces differs in both degree and kind from the everyday risk of contracting COVID–19 that all face. OSHA's indiscriminate approach fails to account for this crucial distinction—between occupational risk and risk more generally—and accordingly the mandate takes on the character of a general public health measure, rather than an "occupational safety or health standard."
In his concurring opinion, which was joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, Gorsuch highlights the deeper issue raised by this argument about the ambit of OSHA's statutory authority. The "major questions" doctrine says Congress must "speak clearly if it wishes to assign to an agency decisions of vast 'economic and political significance.'" The nondelegation doctrine requires that Congress provide an "intelligible principle" to guide administrative agencies when they write regulations. Both of those doctrines, Gorsuch notes, aim to preserve the separation of powers by preventing the executive branch from exercising legislative powers that properly belong to Congress.
In this case, the dissenters see unelected judges improperly second-guessing the expert judgment of an executive agency that Congress has charged with protecting the nation's workers. Gorsuch, by contrast, sees bureaucrats making decisions that should be made by the people's elected representatives.
"This Court is not a public health authority," Gorsuch writes. "But it is charged with resolving disputes about which authorities possess the power to make the laws that govern us…The question before us is not how to respond to the pandemic, but who holds the power to do so. The answer is clear: Under the law as it stands today, that power rests with the States and Congress, not OSHA."
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the three dissenters said the majority was recklessly overriding the judgment of experts who know best how to make workplaces safe.
Just like the Constitution says, right?
Perhaps the court needs to be unpacked. By three.
The Supreme Court is a workplace. I think OSHA should write their decisions for them.
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Are these these the same Experts that informed Justice Sotomayor about the 100,000 children being hospitalized due to COVID?
All of them on ventilators, no less.
" The Experts were unavailiable for comment."
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What they meant to say was the Congress had refused to enact the legislation recommended by experts, and so SCOTUS should do it for them.
Because reasons.
This is precisely what the dissent says... while whinging that the majority is usurping democracy by failing to be subservient to unelected bureaucrats and insisting that they get authorization from congress first.
Double funny,.... the left is also now claiming that because they have not passed this new voting bill of Biden's, the House and Senate are antidemocratic and for that reason the supreme court should not have ruled that their input is required for Covid restrictions. As heard on NPR today...
If COVID-19 is a workplace hazard, then everything is a workplace hazard. A law written to try to prevent workplace hazards surely couldn't have been intended to try to prevent every hazard.
I'm glad the Supreme Court put a stop to this particular instance of regulatory overreach.
No, you are not.
You two actively cried moral responsibility the whole fucking time, threatening government overreach if people didn't act as you wanted them to. Despite all the evidence told to you which is now belatedly being repeated by the leftists in media.
Nobody here is falling for your shit.
Sounds a lot like the interstate commerce working definition.
Next up: OSHA regulates the unemployed because everywhere could potentially be a workplace and everyone could potentially be an employee.
...they are evading the Mandate by being unemployed...
Always the Attack the Victim meme with the Left.
"All of the justices agreed that OSHA does not have a general license to protect public health, and all of them agreed that the agency does have the power to address COVID-19 in the workplace."
And no justice sees that those two points are mutually exclusive.
Would the dissenters have agreed that OSHA could issue an ETS requiring all employees to jump and down on one foot for five minutes just before entering the workplace if a few "experts" said it would prevent the spread of COVID?
No, and that's why this is a net loss, despite the result being mostly good. It further reinforces the doctrine of broad federal powers, and it further muddies the water on where the boundaries of those broad powers are. If OSHA has the power to address COVID-19 in the workplace, then we'll need to wait the better part of a year for the Supreme Court to weigh in on what that power does and does not include when OSHA decides to exercise that power by mandating that employees hop on one foot for five minutes every morning.
It might actually, but I suggest 50 burpies. If you can't do 50 you might be sick and if you aren't sick you are probably high risk.
Your solution is fat shaming our plus sized commenters.
If they are fit fat and can do 50 burpies.
not if you are fit fat, and fifty plus (age, not waistband size) and can still do the fifty, then the requirement does not fat-shame ALL employees.
they do in Japan
Mandatory calysthenics before work.
"the agency does have the power to address COVID-19 in the workplace."
That's not the same as mandating a vaccine.
For example, OSHA would be on much firmer footing if they mandated 3-ply masks for any workers who are required to spend more than 15 minutes within 6 feet of another worker or a customer.
But requiring ME to be vaccinated because I work for an employer, even though I am a remote employee?
LOL.
Also keep in mind this is the same SCOTUS (well, not the exact same one) that laid out in Bragdon v. Abbott that a certified private medical professional cannot discriminate against an infectious patient. Not just any trained and certified medical experts are the experts, OSHA is.
My body, my choice.
When I worked with blood, I was given the option of refusing HepB vaccination.
And I think I agree with the dissent in the medical facility mandate. The regulations all speak to administration of CMS benefits. There is no precedent for requiring vaccines.
Funny thing is that most of SCOTUS probably agrees that this is something congress COULD do, but they haven't. And it's not like they haven't had time to debate and enact mandates if they chose. They could have done it in less time than it takes to hear the case.
In my mind, SCOTUS should routinely deny claims that congress meant to do something 40 years ago. If you don't like the SCOTUS ruling about what congress meant, then write your congressman. He can write a new law to clarify the misunderstanding.
When Supreme Court justices tell us not to worry about the Constitution and instead "listen to experts", that's a good time to reconsider "bowf sidez".
yeah, bowf are 'putting the wood' to us!
I guess, if there were a compelling reason that one must choose a side from two lousy options.
...
One side tells us to ignore the Constitution in favor of "experts".
The other side invents a fake Constitution and tells us we aren't "real Muricans" if we don't accept it.
Gee, it's tempting which side to pick.... Maybe, neither one?
Lol. No it doesn't. You gave examples from the dame side. See penumbra. See right to privacy to kill children. The left constantly invents rights in the constitution.
Youre just a liar.
I have no idea why so many people don’t consider “neither side” the right answer.
I don't get your point. Those are both leftist/progressive positions.
The real Constitution is there in plain text for anybody to read.
It's hard to justify calling a disease that is mostly dangerous to retired people a "workplace hazard".
Yeah, like it's unique to the workplace.
Is there specific legal wording in OSHA charter that hazards must be "unique" to the workplace? That would seem to imply providing safety gear to window washers is not in OSHA's mandate to consider, because death from falling is not unique to the workplace.
Seems right to focus discussion around the hazard level.
It isn't limited to risk of death – long-term health impact, neurological impact, long-term loss of taste/smell are common enough. OSHA likely manages many things at lower risk thresholds today – eye protection, equipment training etc.
In acknowledging age as a major factor, it's worth noting that vaccination is of comparable impact – some regions reporting hospitalization breakdowns by age are finding more 19-29 year old unvaccinated hospitalizations than 80+ vax+booster hospitalizations (sharply reduced rates for vaccinated 19-29 confirms this isn't just a 'with covid' test problem). E.g. Alberta, UK
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes
Thankfully, most of the 296 comments posted on the Wall St. Journal's column yesterday authored by FBI Director Chris Wray
(citing the growing number of law enforcement officers who were killed on duty) appropriately criticized Wray for the massive amount of FBI corruption that manipulated the 2016 election, attempted to remove Trump from office, failed to investigate/charge BLM or Antifa rioters, and orchestrated the bogus kidnapping of MI Gov. Witmer. and it's likely breach of the US Capitol on Jan 6 (to frame Trump and his supporters).
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cops-who-didnt-come-home-fbi-police-special-agent-killing-murder-record-high-reform-crime-shooting-11642020020?mod=opinion_major_pos5
Since the WSJ has been largely silent about FBI corruption, it was nice to see so many of its readers directly confront Chris Wray.
..who could give a damn less...
Corruptocracy only cares about the Little People while using them as Pawns to become established.
Count de Monet!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kmz6WcHwLR4
"likely breach of the US Capitol on Jan 6 (to frame Trump and his supporters)"
It is difficult to watch people struggle to this degree with accepting even that we can all directly observe with our own eyes.
"Don't you dare try to tell me that people are blaming this on antifa and BLM," writes Jonathan Gennaro Mellis on facebook. We proudly take responsibility for storming the Castle. We are fighting for election integrity."
"It was not Antifa at the Capitol," said Brandon Straka. "It was freedom loving Patriots who were DESPERATE to fight for the final hope of our Republic because literally nobody cares about them."
“We were invited here! We were invited by the president of the United States!” yells voices in the crowd repeatedly on videotape.
“The door is cracked! … We’re in, we’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” says Republican delegate to the West Virginia House Derrick Evans. Later: "I take full responsibility for my actions".
Alt-right white nationalist provocateur “Baked Alaska” livestreamed his stroll through the Capitol building on DLive.
*After* the event, New Mexico Republican commissioner Couy Griffin spoke of organizing another Capitol rally soon in a video for the "Cowboys for Trump" group, one that could result in “blood running out of that building”.
“I Was There, Washington D.C., January 6, 2021" read Garret Miller's t-shirt when law enforcement arrested him. "I had a rope in my bag on that day" he wrote.
Still, with a straight face mainstream media pushes the idea that the breach of the Capitol is the result of an FBI conspiracy to embarrass a President who had already lost re-election. Still, without skeptical questioning, this theory is embraced and repeated.
Remember that Tucker Carlson is in the business of selling outrage stories and is incredibly successful at it – has one of the most-watched shows in all of media. The fact that it is a good entertainment business (and plays on different emotions than other forms of media entertainment) does not mean that what he shares on air is objectively true or real.
Sullum conveniently neglects to mention that OSHA did not go through a review and comment period to issue this ETS, which is an additional justification to kill the ETS. That was the APA challenge, and it is poetic justice to see it used against a Team D administration.
Ummm -- it's RIGHT there:
The agency presented that edict as an "emergency temporary standard" (ETS), which avoids the usual rule-making process but requires OSHA to show that its regulations are "necessary" to protect employees from a "grave danger" in the workplace. emphasis added.
The whole point of the article is the response from the court is specifically to the ETS and the lack of standard rule making processes.
b...b..bb..bbbut the virus is permanent!
This would be " temporary" like a " temporary tax increase" or "hepatitis"
Or the ugly on Hillary Clinton.
It is one of Roberts specialty to rule on legal merits instead of constitutional. This allows biden to keep fucking around with mandates due to the slow review process.
An emergency that started in March 2020 and took 18 months for OSHA to respond. Emergencies are URGENT; this was not. For that alone OSHA should have been sent packing.
+1,000
and one
Elvis would say:
" Man, Im tough. Stick your virus panic up your ass."
"An emergency that started in March 2020 and took 18 months for OSHA to respond"
OSHA should have pushed for vaccine workplace requirements along with phase 1 trials right then in March 2020. Then anti-vaccine contrarians wouldn't have anything to complain about... right?
Supreme Court rules: "Fuck Joe Biden."
And his Little Dog FauXi.
And the Congregation replies: " may they rot in Hell!"
"the three dissenters said the majority was recklessly overriding the judgment of experts who know best how to make workplaces safe."
Note the three word patterns. Leftists love this Talking Point phrasing:
"recklessly overriding judgment"
"experts know best"
"make workplace safe"
NLP.
In typical arrogant patronizing fashion, attacking others.
I have a leftist relative who became visibly angry when I suggested that a tree that had fallen across a road in a nearby neighborhood, during a windstorm, could be removed without municipal government supervision. She got even angrier when I told her it would get done faster, better and cheaper without government involvement.
These people can’t imagine so,ving a problem without more government.
I wouldn't mind having the government solve that problem - as long as it were Beyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor who came to personally remove the fallen tree.
PRICELESS!!!!
It doesnt take a Village to remove a Tree.
This is why leftist policies are so terrible and leftists are concentrated in cities.
Outside of the metropolis, people know each other and they spontaneously organize to solve problems. In New Orleans hundreds of people sat in squalor (exaggerated, but squalor nonetheless) at the Superdome after Katrina, waiting and waiting for the government to give them a ride to safety. That would not have happened in Superior Wisconsin.
Where I grew up, the morning after a big ice storm you would hear the drone of chainsaws everywhere as neighbors teamed up to tackle downed trees. When I moved to South Florida, we had a few hurricanes. The first big one blew down a modest sized tree that blocked the exit to my apartment. I was late getting out to head to work ... at 8 am. People were milling about, waiting for the city. I went back to my apartment and pulled out a small chainsaw, a hand saw and a pair of pruning shears. When nobody offered to help, I just handed the saw to one healthy looking dude and told him where to start.
We had the thing cleared in 10 minutes. Once someone moved, people chipped in and helped move the cut branches on their own accord. Still, they left as soon as they could get a car through... only one dude stayed to help me clear up the rest of the tree.
Freaking city folk. This is why people vote democrat. They proclaim their connection to community and compassion drives them to team D, but it is actually their lack of community and lack of connection that drives them to team D.
Word.
NOLA...had a friend who worked for Shell there, said it was a nightmare.
He said that Nagin made, or tried to make, people camping in the city to pay RENT.
That defines " douche- bag."
You are not alone. I've had people almost lose their shit when I offered to help with a tire instead of waiting for their roadside company.
Lord help me, I asked if he had a jack.
"people can’t imagine solving a problem without more government"
The public debate is about facts/reality, not politics. It is just that those debates about facts have been politicized.
The central question has always been – how do you expect to keep public health / hospital capacity functional if the pandemic is allowed to overrun it? Inherently a tragedy of commons type problem at scale of millions of humans. Wanting otherwise doesn't change it.
The central political fight has therefore been about what is real – is there a pandemic? Conspiracy theories holding that covid deaths are fraudulent along plus adopted anti-vax narratives remain the core areas of (hyper-politicized) disagreement.
If the underlying arguments were stronger (e.g. "anti-pandemic measures are inherently tyrannical") they wouldn't require the media blizzard of false claims, conspiracy theories, fallacies and mythology to drown out the threat of reasoned discussion.
Lol. Goddamn dude, the pandemic doesn’t give a fuck what you “allow” it to do.
Then you follow with a rant about denialist conspiracy theories that no one here takes seriously.
You’re a fucking clown.
"the pandemic doesn’t give a fuck what you 'allow' it to do"
The pandemic isn't a mystical force. Think of the world in material terms – how does a pandemic work? How does a virus spread from one person to another?
See also "the climate doesn't care if you try to 'stop' it from warming".
Is it really the pro-reason perspective that has the more storied history of clowning? On this planet?
"denialist conspiracy theories that no one here takes seriously"
Glad to hear you do not, but these theories are extremely popular including in this forum. Many still advocate for the 'only 6% of deaths are actually covid per CDC' previous viral rounds. Repetition of anti-vaccine misinfo is common/everyday.
Man, one of the only reasons I have tended to support republicans in the past was for the SCotUS appointments. Rat bastard Roberts notwithstanding, my instincts have proven generally correct. Of all the *big* freedom cases of this century, the right leaning justices have generally been on the right side.
Citizens United (Freedom of speech, Majority Right)
Hobby Lobby (Freedom of Religion, Majority Right)
Kelo (Anti-Property Rights, Majority Left)
Mitchel v Helms (Freedom of Religion, School Choice Majority Right)
Janus (Freedom of Speech, Anti Compelled Speech, Majority Right)
Pretty much everything else dealing with Obamacare (GFY, Roberts)
Noteworthy exceptions were the various pro free speech internet rulings right at the beginning of the century, and Obergefell.
Hanging by a thread.
Like Bugs Bunny hanging on the Moon.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DAWXWdq6xBw
Don't forget the travesty that was Kelo
Kelo (Anti-Property Rights, Majority Left)
It is right there in black and white. The majority that made that awful ruling were all leftists. State-cock suckers.
Ahh. Missed it on his list. Gracia.
I am surprised you regard Kelo as a travesty. Didn't Trump support it?
Kelo was decided long before Trump came on the national scene. I think the FACT that, fifteen or twentyyears afte the gavel fell in the place where the old folks hang out in black nighties, the property had STILL not been developed in the least. In fact if memoery serves, herhome ws still standing at that point.
Kelo is on of the worts SCOTUS renderings of "just Us' ever. Made me wonder if any of the "justices" on the majority side of that opinion were on the payroll of that development outfit. Or had a close releative that was.
Jeff. I'll say this again. You're a fucking idiot. I have never been for kelo retard. I dont think trump is a messiah. I have plait said which policies I agree with or not. I have even criticized trump you fucking retard.
You can't say the same for Biden and you however.
This is why people think you're a dishonest piece of shit.
Dunno if Trump supported Kelo, but every commenter here who thinks Trump is the most libertarian president ever should read about his shameful treatment of Vera Coking.
Point to us where it was said where "Trump is the most libertarian president ever". Get going.
In any case, your red herring argument has nothing to do with some of the recent SCOTUS decisions.
That would be a low standard to meet, given the psychopathy and imperial aspirations of just about every US president in history. But Trump was certainly more libertarian than Biden, Clinton, Bush or Obama.
Can you explain what exactly you think he did that was "shameful"?
“Didn’t trump support it?”
Lol. The standard by which all things are measured now. To leftists.
Conversation at Christmas: how can Tom Brady still be winning Super Bowls at 45ish?
Gen Z niece: “isn’t he like a massive trump supporter or something?”
Whatevs. Conversation over.
Heller
"...(GFY, Roberts)..."
With a rusty garden implement.
When the justices heard oral argument in this case, they were *all* masked up the kazoo (or appeared telephonically). A departure from previous oral arguments and the first time that *all* justices present were masked up. There was also less of a gallery and less reporters, although no reason has been given as to why this was the case.
I suppose all of the justices could have agreed to do all of this voluntarily, or just happened to have done it coincidently, thus preserving each of their individual freedom. There is no coercion when there is agreement. But maybe the chief dictated this policy down from on high?
But for the slaughterhouse worker, that worker will just have to hope for the best. Unless the employer sets policy. Let freedom reign.
"There is no coercion when there is agreement"
Said every Dictator ever.
There is when agreement is forced.
This analysis is completely wrong.
Yes, I know.... the opinion and dissent did seem to hinge on this issue. But that is only "what they said it was about". They are lying.
How do I know this?
If the issue were about what constitutes a workplace hazard, you could not have predicted who was going to line up on which side so accurately. Setting aside right versus wrong, this was entirely a team based political decision. There is no chance that an actual dispute about workplace hazards would have so neatly aligned with the partisan divide on the court.
A couple of justices have proven to have principles on some issues that transcend party lines.... Thomas, Gorshuch and Sotamayor stand out on this. Roberts has been shown to put "the institution" above principle on many occasions.
And none of that came into play. Sotamayor's affinity for individual rights was shockingly absent. Roberts didn't seem to have much to flirt with on the other side. It was straight party line.
And I do believe there was a bit of a clue as to who was going against their actual legal opinion to go with party in the oral arguments. When one side was grasping at completely made up "facts" to justify their thoughts, it might have been a tell.
But regardless of who was right and who was wrong, it was clear by their decisions that legal opinion and theory had nothing to do with who aligned where.
"There is no chance that an actual dispute about workplace hazards would have so neatly aligned with the partisan divide on the court."
Biteme admitted going to SCOTUS to tell them what he wanted. Its no secret the Lap Dog Kangaroo Court Leftist Threesome would give him what he wanted.
Corruption redefined. This is Third World crap.
I did not see this thing about Biden going to the court to tell them what he wanted.
I did see the propaganda minions rushing out to deliver the talking points though. Joy Reid said it was nakedly partisan of the majority to go against democracy like this. Her reasoning seemed to be that Biden is a Democrat and she supports democrats, so people who don't do what democrats want are nakedly partisan and are willing to kill the american people to thwart the policy objectives of the Democrats.
It was quite a bizarre word salad of a rant.... but that kinda gets the gist of it. Oh, and she did mention that nearly a million americans have died, and the heartless conservatives on the court clearly want everyone to die.
it briefly made the news about a month ago...about him telling them what he wanted. They didnt elaborate but it seems obvious now.
The dissent was actually scary. Terrifying even. Had Clinton won, this would have been the 6-3 majority opinion.
And their opinion was basically that the President is emperor who can do absolutely anything he wants. (one can presume that they would change their mind if they disagreed on policy, but this is not what they wrote). Their dissent reasoned that agency experts are best positioned to decide how much power they have, and who are the court to second guess?
In this case, the enabling statute clearly does not contemplate this level of authority, and the executive clearly acknowledged as much, saying they were using regulatory authority as an end run around a congress who explicitly would not approve a mandate. The dissent endorses this approach, basically giving the executive unlimited and unreviewable power.
The minority opines that regulatory agencies are "accountable to voters" because they work for the president... therefore the courts should not review their decisions.
Now, it is obvious that this was entirely a justification for supporting *this* administration, not any administration. But that is not what they wrote.
And had they been the majority, they would have set the precedent that the courts cannot second guess "the experts" in the bureaucracy, at least not if they say "it is important" that they get to have an extralegal power.
Trump's nominees were enough to cause a sigh of relief that the hag had lost, and that was more than enough. And then he kept it up.
Didn't personally like the guy at all; a blowhard and a loose cannon, but we sure coulda' used another 4 years of him instead of droolin' Joe.
Agree Sevo. The judges that Trump nominated and McConnell got confirmed will have a lasting impact...for decades. That fact bothers the uber-libs more than anything else.
someone left the doggie door open and Sevo got in...
". The dissent endorses this approach, basically giving the executive unlimited and unreviewable power."
Herr Clinton tried that with his E.O.'s by removing language that:
1. established that E.O. did not have force of Public Law,
2. required Judicial Review.
That was gleaned from reading E.O. s back toward the Carter era.
Looks like Slo Jo tried it for real.
Perhaps he'll try a leap from 14 stories next.
The dissent and the majority ruled on the legal aspects of the case but neither actually based the ruling on science.
The ready acceptance of the jabs as safe and effective in the face of mounting research that they are ineffective and dangerous is what terrified me.
"and the majority ruled on the legal aspects of the case but neither actually based the ruling on science"
The Holy Roman Church V. Copernicus.
The entie premise was false.
C19 is NOT a " work place hazard" bc that means hazards associated with performing their jobs.
That is defined by the product or services produced. Not a virus.
The hazard aint a hazard unless its directly related to the work performed.
Next up, persons who submitted C19 tests, that ALSO gave DNA SAMPLES in the process, who have certain genetic markers are a risk and cannot be employed or insured.
Thats been done before, except those
" certain persons" got the jobs bc of their genetics...
IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
Again, when a medical expert in their private practice told a person with an infectious disease that they wouldn't treat them without extra precautions, for which they would be billed extra, SCOTUS declared it illegal discrimination by the medical expert. A badge issued by OSHA is a license to be a medical expert, a license issued by a regulated board of medical professionals to practice medicine is not.
this is the same rotted system that wont allow docs and hospitals to refuse to treat non payers (illegals).
They got trapped into it by accepting Medicare/ cade. That sounds a bit like the Honey Pot that has trapped hospital workers in re this decision.
Money = control.
Theres part of the reason aspirins are $10.
The other is insane lawsuit amounts.
So in a twisted way, I guess socialized medicine makes sense.
Sucks, but makes sense
"that means hazards associated with performing their jobs"
Putting aside politics (though being well aware you are probably not interested in that), in the world of plain reality performing jobs in proximity to other humans during a pandemic presents a significant personal hazard. Hypothetically which English word are you proposing we redefine, specifically, to make the statement more true in a plain reality sense?
Snowmageddon! Place your bets.
Will be time to get the two rope and 4x4 and pull people out of ditches...
Pfft...wake me up when its 4 feet high.
Except masks and the jab do not stop or curtail the spread of Covid in any study.
There is no scientific basis for the mandates as the claimed benefits do not exist.
And yes, people are dying of it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34025885/
Three years proves it. Unless youre a FauXi lap dog...
"masks and the jab do not stop or curtail the spread of Covid in any study"
Hard to imagine you believe this statement is true. What data does *not* show this, especially for vaccines?
e.g. hospitalization rates for boosted 80+ *less than* unvaccinated 19-29 year olds...
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes
Kudos to Gorsuch who seems to get the important stuff.
"This Court is not a public health authority," Gorsuch writes. "But it is charged with resolving disputes about which authorities possess the power to make the laws that govern us…
Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan however need to do some non-partisan soul searching. Instead they are activist jurists that bend in favor of their politics.
This case does not illustrate if remaining Justices are partisan or not. All nine Justices are exceptionally intelligent and educated, but unfortunately there is a tendency to rule according to politics rather than law.
"which authorities possess the power to make the laws that govern us…"
.Un-Elected Administrators do not.
And We never gave them POWER.
The power resides in the People.
Of by and for only with our ( non Representing) Representatives.
We the People are not subject to Agencies.
That was King Georgies problem. He was harassing Us with his Soldiers quartered in our Homes, and his Corporations.
Fuck King Biden. I didnt vote for him.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iZP5Cie7K1g
The crux of the argument is the distinction "between occupational risk and risk more generally."
The crux of the matter is the Constitutions limits government exercising power over citizens .
Theres that COMMUNIST MEME OF THE DAY!
There is no " Govt power over the People, Troll.
Fail.
The US Comstitution says no such thing, Troll.
Return your 50 cents to George Soros, you FAILED.
Jails are full of people that disagree with you, and several thousands that can no longer voice their opinion as the power of government snuffed out their life.
Doesn't matter whether one is a Democrat or Republican (or Trumpublican), the order of the day seems to be "My party, right or wrong"
And that's why I'm neither Democrat nor Republican (nor Trumpublican)
Forgot to add to the order of the day "... and the other party is full of evil people who want to destroy the country"
Well theres alternatives:
Libertarian, which is Democrat Lite,
.Amish. That isnt anything.
Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Mormon. They tell their faithful which party to vote for.
Clinton Party. Vote right or well kill you.
None of the Above. Dont vote.
Jesus loves you.
he hates you!
Pathetic Troll.
What a waste of script time.
FSM is a shadow from the pasta.
All hail...with Garlic Bread.
His Sauce is sufficient for us.
"...Doesn't matter whether one is a Democrat or Republican (or Trumpublican), the order of the day seems to be "My party, right or wrong"..."
Actually it does to those of us capable of more than adolescent thought, which means it's wasted on a TDS-addled asshole like you.
"And that's why I'm neither Democrat nor Republican (nor Trumpublican)"
And that's why you're a pathetic pile of TDS-addled shit.
No problem! Biden can always just take a page from Trump's book and invoke the National Emergency Act of 1976 in which Congress gave the President sweeping powers to do all kinds of things.
(don't get me wrong, not advocating that ... it really put me off of Trump when he did that, and I'm certainly no fan of Biden)
maybe so, TDS victim but as all TDS adfled mimds do, you equivocate Trumps actions with those of the radical Left.
Fail.
Yawn.
Another Solitare game waiting for an intelligent comment...
"No problem! Biden can always just take a page from Trump's book and invoke the National Emergency Act of 1976 in which Congress gave the President sweeping powers to do all kinds of things."
No problem! TDS-addled lying assholes like you can invent all sorts of strawmen.
Fuck off and die.
The Federal Government financially incentivizes the Hospitals to find a diagnosis of a COVID infection and the dollar amount per patient can accumulate as high as $100,000. The Pharmaceutical industry financially incentivizes Government officials to approve their pharmaceuticals by offering Government employees positions in their company with a salary that is up to 100x more than they would earn working for the Government. The risk is bought and paid for and lacks sufficient reliability to support any kind of mandate.
"...The Pharmaceutical industry financially incentivizes Government officials to approve their pharmaceuticals by offering Government employees positions in their company with a salary that is up to 100x more than they would earn working for the Government..."
Bull
Shit.
Not sure what you're objecting to. The fed to pharma revolving door of lobbyists and partisan science is pretty flagrant.
Trying to explain rocket science to a Circus Freaks a bad bet...
Trying to explain inflation to some fucking half-wit is not worth my effort.
Stuff it where the sun don't shine, asshole
go back to your Circus, Freak.
Well, 'everybody knows' is not evidence; let's see one case where someone got "100X" their salary by this method.
Well yeah, figured that bit for an exaggeration.
Pay is not disclosed, so that's never gonna see daylight. But you see industry 'experts' get cushy fed positions, and well feds with friends wind up on boards.
For the smaller folks, pay in the private sector for medicine and research is higher.
"and well feds with friends wind up on boards."
Water boards, perchance?
"The Federal Government financially incentivizes the Hospitals to find a diagnosis of a COVID infection and the dollar amount per patient can accumulate as high as $100,000"
Not true; serious covid patients (ventilators etc.) can cost more and there is covid-related stimulus, but of course there is no evidence of this hypothesized country-wide / global patterns of hospital fraud (which, if so trivial to do, would be common with or without covid.)
The larger conspiracy claim – that covid deaths are grossly over-reported (i.e. the pandemic is mostly a hoax) – makes the error of being testable.
Total death stats continue to confirm covid deaths are underreported, not over-reported. Surges in excess deaths line up with surges in sars-cov-2 detection and reported covid deaths. This is true in all countries.
COVID-19 and excess mortality in the United States: A county-level analysis
“direct COVID-19 death counts in the US in 2020 substantially underestimated total excess mortality attributable to COVID-19”
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003571
An increasingly snarky Dr. Malone points out 'the miracle of Uttar Pradesh' in how an impoverished shithole has a fraction of the Covid deaths the US does with treatments of oral Ivermectin and Doxycycline.
Actual treatments exist. Why is there still only one official option?
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/socrates-thought-police-ivermectin?r=ta0o1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
bc one officials making a shit load of money at it.
Biden.
But you knew that...
FJB
What is your hypothesis why ivermectin cannot show this impact in randomized controlled trials? Just global scientific fraud, or...?
Just now on Fox News Sunday..
"Kamala Harris seemed to fold up like a Cheap Suit."
Hahahaaaaaa
Yeah with a Political Prostitute in it...
"it is telling that OSHA, in its half century of existence, has never before adopted a broad public health regulation of this kind"
"Telling" and apparently legally pivotal, because pandemic viruses spreading in workplace environments killing a million Americans have been so common in the last 50 years.
With or of?
answered (again) below.
“…..spreading in workplace environments…..”
But not in riots or at football games?
It’s spreading everywhere, boot licker. Man up, or hide under your bed, just leave the rest of us alone.
WtF is work " environment?"
So the virus Hysterias not enough.
Now Its an environmental hazard.
Maybe 648 billion used masks in landfills are an " environmental hazard?"
Whats been the Carbon cost of producing the vaccines and distributing all the associated items?
"But not in riots or at football games?"
The legal argument offered is that there is no precedent for this kind of protection against workplace disease exposure in 50 years. But there has also been no similar pandemic in the last 50 years to protect against so the comment is relatively meaningless.
Your response seems non sequitur – if your point is that there is a better argument (limiting OSHA to hazards unique to work environments), that isn't really disagreeing about the weakness of the "half century" precedent argument.
"boot licker..."
A little incoherent/hysterical – are you expecting others to share/internalize victim fantasy imagery here, or just self-parodying around Godwin's law, or...?
Dying with or of Covid?
Because an accurate count undermines the fuck out of your totalitarian goals.
Of covid.
"an accurate count undermines the fuck out of your totalitarian goals"
Just above EISTAU spoke of "denialist conspiracy theories that no one here takes seriously", yet here we are.
The implicit conspiracy argument is that massive mysterious surges in non-covid deaths are happening but getting fraudulently classified as covid, and purely by coincidence these spikes in non-covid deaths happen in lockstep with spikes in covid case counts and reported covid deaths.
Here's another published analysis of excess death stats. Scroll down and look at the chart, line it up with covid case curve and reported death curve.
Update on Excess Deaths Associated with the COVID-19 Pandemic — United States, January 26, 2020–February 27, 2021
"These updated estimates indicate that approximately one half to two thirds of one million excess deaths occurred during January 26, 2020–February 27, 2021, suggesting that the overall impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on mortality is substantially greater than the number of COVID-19 deaths"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344999/
Are you inclined to ignore such papers and data? The interesting question isn't that you may be so inclined, but why.
The second part of your comment is conjecture – *if* the deaths are faked, *then* we have a green light to grievance signal about 'totalitarian measures' such as... free weekly swab tests.
(b) If (a) is true, then pandemic measures
"OSHA has never before imposed such a mandate," the Court notes. "Nor has Congress. Indeed, although Congress has enacted significant legislation addressing the COVID–19 pandemic, it has declined to enact any measure similar to what OSHA has promulgated here….The most noteworthy action concerning the vaccine mandate by either House of Congress has been a majority vote of the Senate disapproving the regulation on December 8, 2021."
Neither OSHA or the nation has ever faced a pandemic like Covid, which has already killed more Americans than any wars we've been in and more than those estimated to have died during the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic (675k). That argument is bullshit.
As to the Senate vote, that and $10 gets you a cup of Joe at Starbucks - it is without consequence, significance, and certainly not up to a cite by ignorant mfing SC justices appointed by loser presidents (5 of the SC members were appointed by guys rejected by voters, including the most recent, Barret who was rushed in while the Mango Mussolini was on his way down).
With or of?
"Ask someone with head up ass question, receive muffled reply."
.Confucious
Answered above.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344999/
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Vaccines are controlled? Do you still want to solve COVID-19? You must go to the experiment. After success, you must use it on a large scale, otherwise there will be no time orologi rolex.
Commerce Clause. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
The same one that led Roberts to the “Congress has wide latitude on taxation” conclusion that brought us our penaltax.
Nor are Congress medical experts of any flavour. Thus they would be operating outside their assigned lane. They DO NOT have blanket authhority over medical issues, NOWHERE in the US Constitutonnare FedGov assigned any such thing.Thus those issues are left to the states and/or the People. The "dissent" fail totake that principle into account. But then, when one of them goes on a whinge over "100,000 chidlren in ICU beds accross the country and dying at high rates" (reality, there are only 87,000 ICE beds in the nation, so she ws clainig 125% of the existing ICU beds are filled wiht very sick children.
Seems this one needs a psych eval.
Congress doesn't need to invoke The Commerce Clause to refuse to provide funding to an organization that won't effect its mandates. There is water at the bottom of the ocean.
We should all be ruled by Top Men - Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor
The ocean is full of dihydrogenmonoxide.
yes and its deadly. We must be protected from it by More Government.
Same as the Old Bosss...
But a penalvaxx was a step too far.