Taking a Page From the Texas Abortion Ban, California's Governor Threatens To Attack Gun Rights With Private Lawsuits
Gavin Newsom is exploring legislation to authorize private civil actions against people who sell "assault weapons" or gun kits.

When the Supreme Court ruled last Friday that abortion providers cannot sue judges, court clerks, or Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton to block the state's abortion ban, Justice Sonia Sotomayor warned that politicians could copy the law's novel enforcement mechanism to "target locally disfavored rights," including "gun rights." The day after the Court's decision in Whole Woman's Health v. Jackson, California Gov. Gavin Newsom threatened to do just that.
It is not clear whether Newsom, a Democrat, is serious about pursuing legislation that would take a page from S.B. 8, the Texas abortion law, by authorizing private lawsuits against people who sell "assault weapons" or DIY gun kits. "I think he's just using it as an opportunity to grandstand," state Sen. Brian Dahle (R–Bieber) told Politico. Dahle "said the proposal was most likely a stunt for Newsom to win favor with his progressive base of voters ahead of a possible run for president." But even if Newsom's proposal does not bear legislative fruit, his impulse illustrates the threat posed by the S.B. 8 strategy of enlisting private bounty hunters to enforce a law that otherwise would be promptly blocked by federal courts.
"I am outraged by yesterday's U.S. Supreme Court decision allowing Texas's ban on most abortion services to remain in place, and largely endorsing Texas's scheme to insulate its law from the fundamental protections of Roe v. Wade," Newsom said in a statement released on Saturday. "But if states can now shield their laws from review by the federal courts that compare assault weapons to Swiss Army knives, then California will use that authority to protect people's lives, where Texas used it to put women in harm's way."
That "Swiss Army knives" reference alludes to a June 2021 decision in which U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez concluded that California's "assault weapon" ban is unconstitutional. "Like the Swiss Army Knife," Benitez wrote in the opening line of his 94-page opinion, "the popular AR-15 rifle is a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment." His general point was that California had violated the Second Amendment by prohibiting firearms that are in common use for lawful purposes.
California's law remains in effect pending appeal, and it seems likely that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, which last month said a three-judge panel had erred by rejecting a challenge to Benitez's 2019 ruling against California's 10-round magazine limit, will eventually uphold the state's "assault weapon" ban as well. Such a decision would give the Supreme Court an opportunity to address the constitutionality of bans like California's, which target semi-automatic rifles based on "military-style" features such as pistol grips, folding stocks, and flash suppressors.
In the meantime, Newsom is obviously irked that a federal judge has deemed California's law, which bans possession as well as production and sale, inconsistent with the Second Amendment. Newsom says he will respond by exploring legislation modeled after S.B. 8, which bans abortion after fetal cardiac activity can be detected but reserves enforcement to private civil actions.
S.B. 8 authorizes "any person" to sue "any person" who performs or facilitates a prohibited abortion, promising successful plaintiffs at least $10,000 in "statutory damages" per violation, plus reimbursement of their legal expenses. "I have directed my staff to work with the Legislature and the Attorney General on a bill that would create a right of action allowing private citizens to seek injunctive relief, and statutory damages of at least $10,000 per violation plus costs and attorney's fees, against anyone who manufactures, distributes, or sells an assault weapon," Newsom said.
Newsom imagines taking the same approach with "ghost gun kit[s] or parts," meaning components that enable people to make their own firearms. A California law that takes effect on July 1 imposes new restrictions on the sale of unfinished frames and receivers, requiring that suppliers obtain business licenses and complete transactions in person with background checks. The bill Newsom has in mind presumably would supplement state enforcement of those requirements by authorizing private lawsuits against people who violate them.
The idea seems to be that the threat of costly litigation would continue to deter the sale of gun kits even if a court barred state officials from enforcing California's regulations. Suppliers of gun kits could raise Second Amendment arguments if they were actually sued, just as abortion providers who are sued under S.B. 8 can argue that the law is clearly unconstitutional under the Supreme Court's precedents. Likewise with people who sell firearms that California has classified as "assault weapons": Assuming that the 9th Circuit or (more likely) the Supreme Court agrees with Benitez, they would still have to worry about being sued, which would inflict a penalty even if they ultimately prevailed.
While Newsom might argue that turnabout is fair play, his endorsement of this method for evading pre-enforcement review by federal courts shows his criticism of S.B. 8 is entirely about whose ox is gored rather than a principled objection to trampling on judicially recognized constitutional rights. As Newsom sees it, California's gun control laws "protect people's lives," while the S.B. 8 "put[s] women in harm's way." For supporters of S.B. 8, of course, the law is very much about protecting people's lives: Each abortion prevented by the threat of litigation represents a child who otherwise never would have been born.
More to the point, the Texas law's supporters think it is absurd to believe the 14th Amendment protects a right to abortion, while Newsom thinks it is absurd to believe the Second Amendment protects a right to own guns he does not like or to supply parts that help people to make firearms. What unites them is an unwillingness to respect the judicial branch's determination of whether the policies they favor are consistent with the Constitution.
By contrast, the Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC), which filed Supreme Court briefs in support of the abortion providers who challenged S.B. 8, took a principled stand that was also pragmatic. If Texas legislators can chill the exercise of abortion rights by using private enforcement to evade early judicial review, the group warned, legislators with different policy preferences could use the same strategy to chill the exercise of constitutional rights they view as phony or inconvenient.
"It takes little in the way of creative copying for States hostile to the Second Amendment—New York, California, New Jersey, Hawaii, etc.—to declare that the ownership or sale of a handgun is illegal, notwithstanding [District of Columbia v. Heller], and set up a bounty system with the same unbalanced procedures and penalties adopted by Texas in this case," the FPC said. "If state officials are prohibited from bringing suit in their official capacities to enforce such a law, such States could dispute any pre-enforcement challenges on the same grounds Texas argues here. But the chill of Second Amendment rights would exist even without an actual citizen's suit being brought and there would be a substantial incentive to discourage an actual application of the law so long as the chill was even partially effective."
The FPC suggested other possible applications of the S.B. 8 strategy:
Perhaps a $10,000 bounty (plus attorney's fees) against anyone uttering, even negligently or without material harm, a false statement of fact on television or the internet? Nobody really much likes First Amendment libel jurisprudence anyway these days….
Don't like those bothersome protesters always criticizing the government? Bounties on everyone the next time Second Amendment advocates rally in support of the right to keep and bear arms, school choice advocates march for their children's education, police reform advocates gather to protest qualified immunity, labor picketers protest in support of unions and collective bargaining, or anyone else shows up and deigns to assemble and complain. Courts can worry about the right to speak, assemble, and petition if and when a case is brought. But in the meantime, protesters can proceed at their own risk and hope that this Court grants cert. after years of litigation in state courts and a potential string of hostile rulings before defendants can even ask this Court for discretionary review.
The FPC also noted that the chilling effect could be magnified by increasing the bounty offered to plaintiffs who sue people for exercising their constitutional rights. If legislators decide that $10,000 per violation is not enough of a deterrent, they could offer, say, $1 million.
At an earlier stage in Whole Woman's Health v. Jackson, Chief Justice John Roberts had already expressed his dismay at S.B. 8's "unprecedented" end run around judicial review, wondering "whether a state can avoid responsibility for its laws in such a manner." The FPC's argument also resonated with Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who during oral arguments last month noted that "Second Amendment rights, free exercise of religion rights, [and] free speech rights" could all "be targeted by other states" through laws similar to S.B. 8. If anyone who "sells an AR-15" or who "declines to provide a good or service for use in a same-sex marriage" were "liable for a million dollars to any citizen," Kavanaugh wondered, would federal courts still be powerless to intervene before such lawsuits make their way through state courts? Texas Solicitor General Judd Stone confirmed that they would.
In the end, Kavanaugh joined the majority in concluding that abortion providers had no viable option to seek a pre-enforcement federal injunction against S.B. 8, except for ancillary actions by state medical regulators. That means the main safeguard against scenarios like the ones that the FPC described is self-restraint by politicians, and Newsom's reaction to the Supreme Court's ruling gives you a sense of how likely that is.
Travis County, Texas, District Court Judge David Peeples ruled last week that S.B. 8 violates the state constitution's standing requirements for civil lawsuits, the separation of powers, and the right to due process. "If its civil procedures are constitutional for abortions, they will be constitutional for other targets," Peeples warned. "Other states (or future Texas Legislatures) might copy and paste them onto other substantive provisions to drive undesired activities out of business. In our polarized country, other states with different electorates and different priorities might decide to use these procedures to put other people out of business or to stamp out behavior they dislike intensely, including other areas of life covered by constitutional law."
Newsom's threat shows this concern is not far-fetched. "If SB 8's civil procedures are constitutional," Peeples wrote, "a new and creative series of statutes could appear year after year, to be enforced by eager ideological claimants, who could bring suit in their home counties, where the judges would do their constitutional duty and enforce the law. Pandora's Box has already been opened a bit, and time will tell."
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Of course, gun rights are explicitly protected by the Constitution. Roe is not, to such an extent that Sotomayor in the Dobbs oral arguments did not even bother to make a constitutional argument to defend it, depending entirely on stare decisis.
Did she describe Roe as a SUPER-PRECEDENT? My professors taught me that's an ironclad defense.
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Also Newsome is outraged that SCOTUS acted like a judicial branch of government and did not strike down the Texas law out of hand without an actual legal basis for doing so. It is telling just how corrupt the Democrat's notion of judicial authority has become.
Newsome has also now added animus and public statements on the intention of the regulation, to reduce individual rights. Something not done in Texas nor Alabama which is based on balancing of rights between two individuals. The pretext from Newsome is loud and clear.
Of course. Newsom is a well known authoritarian Marxist who seeks to end the constitution. That can’t happen while Americans can defend themselves from democrats.
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Of course, gun rights are explicitly protected by the Constitution.
Also worth mentioning that DIY gun kits aren't arms but free speech/association. Newsome's law, depending on wording, would violate 2 (or more) amendments while S.B. 8 only voids the emanations an penumbras of an amendment.
As I pointed out elsewhere. TX passes a law 'letting' abortion device manufacturers get sued for making/selling devices used to provide abortions would be the parallel/analogy.
Emanations and penumbras sounds rather ghostly and spooky doesn’t it?
The right to gun ownership is in the Constitution, but not the right to manufacture or sell guns. It is the manufacturers and sellers of guns that would be targeted. Much in the way that Texas SB8 does not address the woman getting an abortion but rather anyone that assists her in getting the abortion.
Wrong. Many cases have stated otherwise. It would be like saying you can speak but don't have to be allowed to use press or paper to do messaging.
Amazing how authoritarian you are.
for such an eternally 'moderate' person 😉
Moderate….. for an authoritarian Marxist.
Many cases? So just like abortion with Roe vs Wade?
What do you think Roe actually stated? Hint. It is in ny first post.
First, I did not say I agree with this approach. I do in fact have serious questions about the idea of using citizen enforcers to avoid judicial review. We have for most of our country's existence relied on judicial review of laws.
I was simply pointing out that SB8 and any new laws on guns would not target constitutional rights, but rather those who make those rights possible. And so, a simple reliance on 2a, might not work.
Finally, can you point to cases where 2A has been used to shield gun sellers and gun manufactures from lawsuits? To my limited knowledge, most protection from lawsuits comes from legislation not constitutional guarantees.
You don't need to apologize to an authoritarian like Jesse!
Yeah, he's projection all the way down.
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Boy isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.
That’s absurd. The right to bear arms obviously must include the right to manufacture and sell them.
In any case, the Constitution enumerates powers, not rights. Bill of Rights doesn’t give you any rights you didn’t already have under the Constitution itself.
The federal government has no more power to restrict the manufacture of guns than it has to restrict their ownership.
Gun rights are based on constitutional interpretation just like abortion and can also be over ruled. SCOTUS did not recognize an individual right to have a gun till 2008.
Parody.
Sad parody.
Liar. Gun rights are not interppreted.
They are plainly in the Second Amendment.
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Sure, just like everyone who owns one is part of a well regulated militia yes?
The right to bear arms is not conditional on anything. It isn’t even established by the 2A, it is established by the Constitution itself and the absence of a federal power to regulate guns.
The term ‘militia’ is based on the context of the 18th century, and is a bit different than how you view the word. Regardless, there is no confusion. The right to be arms is enshrined as a natural right by constitutional law. It isn’t optional or negotiable because you don’t like guns
The militia clause is prefatory. That means that it is an introduction, pointing out one reason that the Right to Keep And Bear Arms is necessary. It doesn’t limit the 2nd Amdt, but rather, limits attack on it. What that means is that the right is maybe the strongest when militia (and thus military) weapons, like AR-15s, are involved.
Shall not be infringed is pretty fucking explicit.
Sure. But the entire point of the Texas SB 8 gambit is, "It doesn't matter if it's blatantly unconstitutional, you can't sue us because we're outsourcing enforcement to private citizens."
But abortion is not a protected right. Nothing to be unconstitutional with.
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I don’t agree with SB8, but I’m not seeing where it fails constitutionally.
If I remember correctly, Roe was pretty clear about viability and as much as I think these abortion laws are idiotic, the people crafting them are smart enough to try and skirt around that issue.
SCOTUS has also never recognized an individual right not to be enslaved. Not because no such right exists, but because it is so plain that there is no need to explicitly "find" such a right. This was the case with the 2A for almost 200 years, that it protected an individual right went without saying. It wasn't until the 1960s that the "collective right" interpretation became popular among prohibitionists.
And don't bother bringing up Miller, I can assure you SCOTUS did not find what you think they found.
"SCOTUS has also never recognized an individual right not to be enslaved."
Slavery is an artifact of government. In order to exist, requires the government to empower one party to 'enslave' another party through physical coercion; at end, under threat of death.
Slavery need not be outlawed; ridding society of it simply requires the government to protect the rights of all.
PROPER CAUSAL ATTRIBUTION & REGULATION OF MEANS TO CAUSE DEATH
The "chilling effect" on the exercise of currently-extant abortion "rights" of federal and therefore state-trumping constitutional character comes from the Supremes themselves (and the same would not be true of gun rights, which refutes the cross-issue copycat reasoning). After all, the Supremes may overrule Roe and Case in Dobbs, and then the objections to SB8 and the associated potential money liability would go poof (unless Judge Peeples prevails with the procedural SB8-nixing-effort on appeal to the Texas Supreme Court, which is unlikely). Therefore, the feticide-gun ownership analogy is invalid for this additional reason.
WILL THE SCOTUS ABORT MITCHELL'S BABY?
On the other hand, if there were consensus that maternal feticide rights are securely anchored in the U.S. constitution thanks to supreme-error-ossificiation over the course of half a century, why wouldn't the Texas abortion industry just ignore Mitchell's immaculately conceived and legislatively delivered baby (which should perhapse be rechristioned "The Heartbeat of Texas Act") and continue plying their posterity-culling trade?
DOES THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION PROTECT FETICIDE AS A PROFESSION?
Regarding the latter, note that MDL Judge Peeples sympathizes resoundingly with the "industry", implying that there is a substantive due process right to engage in "abortion activity" (to be analogized with honorable trade of eyebrow-threading in Patel presumably) while at the same time expressly averring - astonishingly - that the case is not about abortion. See Patel v. Tex. Dep't of Licensing & Regulation, 469 S.W.3d 69, 86 (Tex. 2015) (noting the typical alignment of federal and state law - i.e due process per U.S. CONST. amend. XIV, § 1 and due course of law per TEX. CONST. art. I, § 19, respectively. - in the constitutional challenges).
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=7017811002225614343&q=SUBSTANTIVE+DUE+PROCESS+PATEL+TEX.&hl=en&as_sdt=6,44
If the expectation ("chill") of undesirable SCOTUS rulings is suffient ground for irregular ad-hoc preemptive relief, perhaps an emergency application to restrain at least five members of the SCOTUS should be filed in the Intergalactic Abortion-über-Alles Tribunal.
Didn't some gun rights groups speak out against the TX law for just this reason?
psst: it's in the article
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So we do get a Texas abortion law reference today. *drink*
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Is this the OBL corrollary to OBL's First Law = Brown bodies from Mexico will #TurnTexasBlue and make it literally impossible for any Republican to win the White House 🙂
In this case reliably democrat means don't vote so they can stuff the mailboxes with fake ballots. What, you thought the guy arrested while having over 300 mail-in ballots in the trunk of his car was an anomaly? The only anomaly was that he was arrested while performing the Lord's work.
Party policy over the Constitution and SCOTUS interpretation is not a good thing.
OBL is beginning to sound so much like a partisan ideologue I'd be thinking he was a parody of a partisan ideologue.
I don't think it will be as easy as Sullum implies to use the SB-8 framework to deny other rights (1A, 2A, 4A, etc). If it were truly that easy, it would have been done long ago. Why? Abortion has a unique set of case law, which Jonathan Mitchell understood, and a lot of other lawyers (and judges) did not.
These other rights have a different set of case law, so designing an SB-8-like law has to deal with the legal precedents relative to other rights. Not so easy to do.
My answer: Ok Gavin, you said it. Go for it.
Lately, Newsom has been ruling by decree, so maybe he believes he can attack gun ownership the same way.
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Did I miss the part of the constitution that explicitly protects abortion rights? How about the federal statute that explicitly protects it? If you want to argue that it should be, go right ahead, but unless I'm missing it, one thing is not like the other.
You need to have the secret decoder ring to find it.
its called " interpretation" or the " Living Constitution."
They drink enough until it reads the way they want it to.
BIRTH CANAL NAVIGATION AND INTERSTATE COMMERCE
Well, Judge Pitman down in Austin already tried to exercise interstate commerce powers on behalf of Congress. That didn't fly so well when it landed in New Orleans and then on to the plate of the SCOTUS. Congressional feticide legislation would at least have to be debated and voted on in a historically political policy-making forum. Excerpt of exegesis follows:
"This Court finds that S.B. 8 interferes with interstate commerce. Congress acknowledged that abortion implicates interstate commerce when it enacted a ban on "partial-birth abortions." See 18 U.S.C. § 1531(a). And the particular features of S.B. 8 burden interstate commerce even beyond the impacts of traditional legislation. By extending liability to persons anywhere in the country, S.B. 8's structure all but ensures that it will implicate commerce across state lines—whether through insurance companies reimbursing Texas abortions, banks processing payments, medical device suppliers outfitting providers, or persons transporting patients to their appointments. (Compl., Dkt. 1, at 13). In addition to imposing liability on those coming into Texas, the law has also already had the effect of pushing individuals seeking abortions into other states. (See Br. of Amici, Dkt. 9-1, at 25-26). This stream of individuals across state lines burdens clinics in nearby states and impedes pregnant individuals in surrounding states from accessing abortions due to backlogs. (See Tong Decl., Dkt. 8-6; Cowart Decl., Dkt. 8-7; Rupani Decl., Dkt. 8-8; Yap Decl., Dkt. 8-9). These harms to interstate commerce are independently sufficient to support the United States' right to sue in this case."
Whole opus now on Google Scholar on more screen-friendly format here: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=10950722854597980176&q=pitman+sb8&hl=en&as_sdt=6,44
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QUESTION UNANSWERED: How does a resulting boom in outbound interstate abortion tourism not *stimulate* commerce (as opposed to obstructing it) in the context of DOJ's claim to have standing?
New York beat him to it.
-sigh-
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/12/12/it-wont-work-newsom-calls-for-gun-ban-modeled-on-texas-abortion-law/#more-181706
I dont understand how such infantile analysis continues to make it through the pages of Reason.
The abortion debate is an open debate even given Roe and Casey as its regulations hang un the term viability. In Alabama and Texas the legislature has simply defined what viability is. Something the USSC has not done so. Likewise there is a direct balancing of the rights of two people, the mother and child.
Gun regulations are not built on the same sand. Heller established a constitutional right. Other cases have extended that right to manufacturing and selling of guns. It is an individual right, not one that has to be balanced amongst two forced participants.
What childish analysis.
Likewise there is a direct balancing of the rights of two people, the mother and child.
-sigh-
Male reproductive rights aren't a thing under the law.
I agree that this aspect is absent from the equation. But was listing current judicial arguments.
Abortion is a service right (meaning that it isn't a natural right, requiring, among other things, participation).
If you want service rights protected by the constitution, change the fucking constitution.
Well some service rights are in the constitution already via the sixth amendment. But yes, if this is such a continuously contentious issue, it seems we should have non-judicial answers for it by now.
And a natural right is what? Whatever you say it is?
Is there an ancient cave where all the natural rights are scribbled somewhere?
If Roe was a stupid decision, Heller is the fucking stupidest decision. It's actually laughable to think that it didn't invent a new right out of thin air.
Because it didn't.
It is almost as of that right was previously documented somewhere.
Again for the simpletons: Shall not be infringed Is fucking explicit.
The courts have no business defining the terms they use in their rulings.
Viability has been defined in the Cambridge dictionary as: “ability to continue to exist or develop as a living being:”. This is what the unborn do from conception until they are no longer viable and die as adults or otherwise.
Defining it to mean when they reach a particular age only suits the purpose of the advocates of abortion.
The fact that the courts use the term viability demonstrates that they recognize that the unborn are living beings, human persons with the inalienable right to life.
That’s fine, but the US Constitution doesn’t apply to all viable living beings.
Abortion is simply not a federal issue in the US under the Constitution.
All living human beings are persons by definition.
It is fine that the inalienable right to life applies to all persons!
Except for the Joooosssss, right Rob?
“The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink.“ George Orwell
Your insincere comment is like the ink from another slimy invertebrate. Your exhausted idiom being the false claims of the “poor persecuted Jews”.
I’m not buying it.
Here is my cite to prove the truth that you can never refute. Recognizing this, only a fool would be distracted by your exhausted false idiom.
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“The Chicago Tribune on July 20, 1921 published an article headlined: “Begs America Save 6,000,000 in Russia.” This article claimed that “Russia’s 6 million Jews are facing extermination by massacre. As the famine is spreading, the counter-revolutionary movement is gaining and the Soviet’s control is waning.” The United Jewish Campaign of New York in 1926 set a fundraising goal of $6,000,000 to help the “dying” Jews of Europe. On December 29, 1931 a Montreal newspaper ran a baseless claim from Rabbi Stephen Wise that 6 million Jews faced starvation in southeastern Europe.[7]”
” the counter-revolutionary movement is gaining and the Soviet’s control is waning.” tells us that Jews perceived waning Jewish Bolshevik communist control of Russia to be a threat” Jews for communism, secret police and the Cold War.
“The New York Times on May 31, 1936, published an article headlined “Americans Appeal for Jewish Refuge.” This article appealed to Great Britain to “…throw open the gates of Palestine and let in the victimized and persecuted Jews escaping from the European holocaust.””
“ throw open the gates of Palestine and let in the victimized and persecuted Jews” tells us that 6 million Jews were waiting at the perceived “gates of Palestine” to be ushered in by the allies a full 12 years before the Middle East conflict. So much for the Arabs being the aggressors.
You repeat those bogus arguments until the cows come home and it isn’t going to change anybody’s mind.
And instead of a reasonable compromise on abortion (e.g. first trimester only, regulated by the state), idiots like you are going to end up letting progressives win.
Calling arguments that you can’t refute bogus is how bigots think they get away with corruption, like the squirt of ink from another slimy invertebrate.
Maybe you should actually refute an argument before calling it bogus.
Have you ever read the 14th amendment?
“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.“
ANY PERSON
The dictionaries which impart meaning to all language clearly collectively define the unborn as persons.
The ONLY possible reason to exclude the unborn from personhood is to deny them the inalienable right to life.
Thats not logical.
Reason is a progressive propaganda outlet run by people desperate for acceptance among their progressive peers. For spice, they differ on some minor policy issues from other progressives.
Go for it, Broheim.
Gavin Newsom just admitted the Texas law is Good Law(tm).
Maybe we can get a law that allows anyone to sue anyone who votes for a Democrat.
Wood Chipper.
The Solution.
'Finally!'
Newsom gets new blender, tries to make cinder-block smoothie.
*Taking off my anarchist hat and putting on my minarchist hat*
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The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
The 19th is when everything fell apart.
fuck yeah no chick votes. no taxes or direct elections of senators, either.
KM-W has never voted GOOD GIRL !!!
So they can have sex while voting?
That’s fine. The real problem is that people can vote who have no skin in the game and who use voting to enrich themselves. That’s why voting used to be limited to land owners. That’s also took care of pesky problems of eligibility, Registration, and immigration.
Good luck with that. It’ll make an entertaining due process shitshow.
Abortion violates the inalienable right to life.
What inalienable right does responsible gun ownership violate?
Life--for children once they're born and find their drunk Trumper father's gun sitting on the coffee table.
Lol.
As opposed to finding their drunk drug addicted single mother at the kitchen table?
At least “Trumpers” have fathers.
Newsom doesn't care one iota for even one moment about the Constitution or the rule of law. Power, coercion and force are the only tools he knows how to wield. He can't play fair -- if he did, he would never, ever win.
Is the governor immune from the consequences of his legally questionable antics?
You were told this would happen. "No, no, this is completely different! Muh constitutional rights!" When you agree with the devil that the means don't matter, only the ends, this is what you get. Own it, conservatives. This is what you wanted. I give you a solid 3 weeks until you can be sued by any private citizen for being unvaccinated, six months until you can be sued for misgendering someone, and perhaps a year until voting for the "wrong" politicians can land you a minimum $5k fine.
They are quite ok with authoritarian tactics just so long as it's *their* authoritarian tactics.
The only unjust treatment is bad treatment against them.
All of your examples... and then there's killing babies.
I think we have issues with the framing of your derangement.
William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”
Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”
William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”
Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”
So the great divorce starts..is this a bad thing? Texas will lead liberty, Cali the road to boshevikism...
Can't wait to see how Cali will try and invade Arizona and Texas...it will be very entertaining to watch that sort of like the French army trying to stop the Germans in August 1914
California is like the world's 5th largest economy you blubbering dildo. They'd have no need to do jack shit because they'd be just fine.
Not for long.
Strange that the 5th largest economy in the world hasn't gotten around to providing universal healthcare in their state. Their latest attempt failed in committee.
Yet CA is broke. How does that work?
"Blahblahblah big state bullshit" Newsom said in a statement released on Saturday. "So blahblahblah I can wave my weenie around too"
It's really freaking obvious that the biggest problem with big state governance is that they are continually pretending to focus on how important they should be seen to be. Same problem applies to CA, TX, FL, and NY. Probably to the next rung of states too - PA, OH, IL, GA, NC, MI. The pols and poobahs there are always paying attention to how they will be positioning themselves for Prez. And that always results in stupid.
So the solution is to chop states up when they hit a particular size. Like split them in two when they hit 8-10 million or so.
several States mulling that. OR, WA for example with polluted big Leftist cities on the Pacific coast.
Fantastic idea. Make the Senate more representative.
Great, we agree then! I figure er shots get a net of a dozen more conservative senators out of that.
It’s almost like his objections to the approach weren't exactly sincere.
Hes just playing Media Whore.
Lying douchebag Democrat.
FJB
But the constitooshun says there can be no restrictions on gunz! And what it says is law because it's a magic document and also what's a millisha? Dependent clause! Ipso facto!
Still laughing at your kiddie-raping, domestic abusing allies getting chunked, bitch.
Tony had a crush on Rosenbaum.
"But the constitooshun says there can be no restrictions on gunz! "
Pretty much. Move to another country that fits your commie socialist dreams if you dont like it.
Guns are protected, abortion isnt. Leave if that upsets you
You're insane, that position is insane, and if you weren't so addled by trash Republican propaganda, you could see that.
It really isn’t. And you’re an example of why 2A exists. Abortion is child murder, so that’s why it isn’t constitutionally protected.
But all that is far beyond your limited comprehension.
More proof you’re a drooling, ignorant moron. Just hurry up and die.
Rand Paul: This afternoon I joined a call w/ FEMA Director Criswell to help coordinate relief for the Commonwealth. FEMA has committed supplies & resources to assist in the ongoing efforts to save lives. I look forward to Director Criswell’s visit & will continue to aid fellow Kentuckians.
Also Rand Paul: People here will say they have great compassion and they want to help the people of Puerto Rico, the people of Texas, and the people of Florida but notice they have great compassion with someone else’s money
As a gay black MAGA conservative you’ve got to admire the courage and directness of the Senator from Kentucky. Bravo, sir.
One of those situations is not like the other.
Hint: he doesn't like foreign aid and excessive funding.
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They won’t get anywhere in court. Newsom is an idiot.
The right to gun ownership is in the Constitution, but not the right to manufacture or sell guns. It is the manufacturers and sellers of guns that would be targeted. Much in the way that Texas SB8 does not address the woman getting an abortion but rather anyone that assists her in getting the abortion.
Say it louder for all the morons who clearly can't read the article.
You're infringing.
"The right to gun ownership is in the Constitution, but not the right to manufacture or sell guns."
Pretty sure that bit of sophistry has been tried and laughed out of court.
Can Greusome get his hairgel caught on fire already? He'd disappear for at least a couple months to wait for the perm to return.
Just think of all the things he could be not doing.
nice article
This won't fly because it's stupid! Indefensibly stupid
What Newsom is alleging is; guns are inherently dangerous; that's all he is saying.
In 2019 there were approx. 30,000 gun-related fatalities, 60% of them were self-inflcited. You can not derive anything 'rational', from an irratioanal action; so 14,000 guns 'caused' 14,000 fatalities.
There are a half-a-billon guns in America and, 00001% of them were used in a homicide. (That's ten thousandths, of 1%.)
Do the math.
Sure thing Gall, sure thing.
Stupid laws surely never ever have gone into effect...
Oh we know you and your friends are trying to pass as many stupid laws as possible.
Apples and oranges. Go for it Gavin, you idiot.
And a good 15% of the commentary here + articles at Reason rightfully deserves a big fat, "I told you so." slapped across the Pro-Life Power-Mad crowd.
I thought I posted it here but I guess it was another of the endless Reason articles opposing Texas's law protecting the unborn with false concern for conservative principles.
All the design of the Texas act does is prevent a pre-enforcement legal challenge from invalidating it. The Texas act is perfectly assailable on constitutional grounds once it is enforced against someone - that someone, the defendant, raises constitutionality as a defense.
Unlike the baby butcheries, evidently, gun rights supporters relish the opportunity to defend their rights in court. The internet is replete with websites that look like geocities run by crazy old survivalists with their own armories who are champing at the bit to litigate anything and everything related to the Second Amendment.
Should California follow through on its threat, there will be an immediate test case, and then the Ninth Circuit will again be presented with a Second Amendment case, and it will likely (but less likely than before!) again try to destroy Americans' Second Amendment rights. And again the Supreme Court will have an opportunity to protect the Second Amendment and further entrench Americans' rights against the Left.
GRAN OMERA ALERT
or: What didn't fit the narrative and was omitted from the reporting
The Big Abortion & Friends in Texas filed a total 15 pre-enforcement challenges in state courts (1 in Dallas, 14 in Austin) - some of them even before the Sep 1, 2021 effective date -- and obtained TROs and temporary anti-suit injunctions from friendly Democratic state judges against the largest pro-life organization in Texas.
Surprise, surprise: The restrained defendants haven't filed a single SB8 suit that could have served as a test case. Doing so would have made them suspectible to contempt of court. Then they complained to the supreme court that it would take to long wait for being sued and raising constitutional challenges defensively. And, for good measure, Judge Pitman put the three pending SB8 suits on hold -- though that didn't last long, but may have given clerks and trial court judges around the state the chills.
Shmuck #1 Felipe Gomez added one of the Planned Parenthood entities to this lawsuit against Abortion Doc and Washington Post guest columnist Alan Braid in Bexar County (San Antonio), but he was a non-adverse plaintiff in the first instance, and has since nonsuited everybody in state-court suit in a bid to defeat Dr. Braid's interpleader countersuit cum attorney fee claim for 12 lawyers in Chicago. The case mentioned by Justice Thomas in his partial concurrence as an alternative litigation forum.
Bottom line: The whining about not being able to challenge the constitutionality of SB8 is bogus.
Here is the roster:
CASE # 1 Van Stean v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004179, 98th Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 2 Faulkner v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004189, 250th Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 3 Doe v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004193, 53rd Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 4 The Bridge Collective v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004303, 126th Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 5 Tuegel v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004316, 261st Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 6 Moayedi v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004489, 98th Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 7 North Texas Equal Access Fund v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004503, 455th Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 8 The Lilith Fund for Reproductive Equity v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004504, 53rd Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 9 Clinic Access Support Network v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004544, 201st Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 10 The Afiya Center v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004605, 455th Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 11 Fund Texas Choice v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004606, 98th Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 12 Planned Parenthood of Greater Texas Surgical Health Services, et al. v. Texas Right to Life, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004632, 53rd Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 13 The West Fund v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004648, 261st Judicial District Court of Travis County
CASE # 14 Frontera Fund v. Texas, et al., No. D-1-GN-21-004846, 53rd Judicial District Court of Travis County
Texas Right to Life and TRTL Lege Director John Seago are the private-sector defendants in all of them, plus between 10 and 100 unidentified Jane/John Does per case. Except for the Planned Parenthood suit, all of these preenforcement actions to challenge SB8 also name numerous Republican officials as official capacity defendants, including Gov. Abbott, AG Paxton and his wife Angela, and Senator Hughes, the Senate Bill sponsor.
I don’t see this working that well.
CA already greatly restricts “Assault Weapons”. Their compliant AR type rifles and carbines are a national joke. You see them, and the first thing that you ask is if they are from CA? Replacing their pistol grip replacement with a regular pistol grip is trivial. A bit more work to replace their jury rigged contraption that is supposed to eliminate detachable magazines. The point though is that firearms that violate CA’s assault weapon ban haven’t been shipped into the state, nor have they been legally sold to CA residents for years now. That very likely means that the state does not have legal jurisdiction over companies that make these guns, because they go to lengths not to sell these guns into CA or to CA residents. For jurisdiction by CA courts, the companies had to have done business in the state. They haven’t.
Most of the web sits selling gun parts already restrict what can be bought by people in specific states. For example, you can buy 20 or 30 round magazines if they are to be shipped to most states. But there are maybe a half dozen with lower limits. Most of those have a 10 round limit, but others, like CO, have a 15 round limit. When you are ordering gun parts, including magazines, a check is invariably made of the state to which the parts are to be shipped, and if the parts are illegal in that state, the order is rejected. Adding some parts to the list of what can’t legally be shipped into CA is likely trivial. Which again means that CA and it’s courts are unlikely to have legal jurisdiction over these companies.
Of course, the intent is likely to be to impose liability on parts that come into the state other than through a normal distribution chain (since the charts likely won’t be coming in through normal distribution chains, since those companies mostly won’t ship into CA). This runs into Commerce Clause problems, withCA attempting to trilateral interstate commerce, in a place where the federal govt has mostly asserted its interest and supremacy.
Didn't I tell you before, Newsom was moron? If I didn't he is, but anyway.
Gary is alleging that, guns are inherently dangerous, like nitro-glyceride, and their prevalence, induces criminal activity.
Let's take a look at the numbers, in 2019 there were approx. 30,000 gun related fatalitie, which 60% were self-inflicted. So, 14,000 guns out of half a billion were used in a homicide, or 0.00001% of all guns.
RE: "60% were self-inflicted."
Assuming the ratio is correct, should we have a discussion of whether there is a constitutional right to suicide, and - if so - by a particular highly effective manner that often entail messy clean-up externalities and law enforcement involvement (i.e., state interests) ? Or should we perhaps be talking about suicide prevention as a policy matter, rather than engaging in "rights talk".
Note that the self-defense rationale for bearing arms would not apply to the self-dispatch hypothetical, and that bearing does not imply directing the barrel opening toward the bearer.
Also, would state laws that authorize guns being taken from a person deemed or judicially determined to be a threat to themselves (but having made no threat against others, i.e., the plain suicidal) be unconstitutional?
Gotta' be a blue moon, because I actually agree with Newsom. Setting up civil law suits (as in TX) to achieve an objective is rarely the right course to take.
They do like to kill them anyway.