Chris Wallace's Departure From Fox News Is a Blow to Unbiased Commentary
Plus: People are rightly worried about inflation, Rep. Lauren Boebert gets her numbers wrong, and more...

Chris Wallace, the long-serving Fox News host and lead anchor, is leaving the network, he announced on Sunday.
"After 18 years, this is my final Fox News Sunday," he said.
Fox News' Chris Wallace: "After 18 years, I have decided to leave Fox. I want to try something new, to go beyond politics, to all of the things I'm interested in." pic.twitter.com/vgMF8Ktdnr
— The Recount (@therecount) December 12, 2021
His next move wasn't a mystery for very long: CNN announced that Wallace will be joining the network's streaming service, CNN+. (Disclosure: I appear on Fox News frequently, and have appeared on CNN several times as well.)
Wallace has a well-deserved reputation as an objective and fierce interviewer, and was just as tough on Republicans as he was on Democrats. This was most evident during the 2020 presidential campaign, when he moderated a debate between then-President Donald Trump and challenger Joe Biden: Wallace grilled Trump on his disinclination to condemn the Proud Boys and chided the president for constantly interrupting his opponent. This earned Wallace considerable ire from the MAGA wing of the GOP, and the tone of his coverage was increasingly out of step with Fox's openly opinionated—and relentlessly pro-Trump—evening hosts.
Indeed, Wallace and fellow Fox News anchor Bret Baier had recently complained to management about the network's pro-Trump programming. Steve Hayes and Jonah Goldberg, two conservative commentators who have worked at Fox for years, recently resigned in protest over Tucker Carlson's Patriot Purge series about the January 6 Capitol riot. According to NPR:
According to five people with direct knowledge, the resignations reflect larger tumult within Fox News over Carlson's series Patriot Purge and his increasingly strident stances, and over the network's willingness to let its opinion stars make false, paranoid claims against President Biden, his administration and his supporters.
Veteran figures on Fox's news side, including political anchors Baier and Chris Wallace, shared their objections with Fox News Media CEO Suzanne Scott and its president of news, Jay Wallace. Those objections rose to Lachlan Murdoch, the chairman and CEO of the network's parent company, Fox Corp. Through a senior spokeswoman, Scott and Wallace declined comment. Murdoch did not return a request for comment through a spokesman. A senior Fox News executive subsequently said the two contributors' contracts would not have been picked up after their scheduled expiration next year.
Goldberg says that he had been assured by Fox's news leaders that, as Trump left Washington, D.C., following his election defeat, the network would tamp down on incendiary commentary and claims.
There was no love lost for Wallace in Trump-world; the announcement of his departure prompted the phrase "good riddance" to trend on Twitter. And while Fox's loss is CNN's gain, the real issue is that this kind of sorting eventually leads to both networks becoming more partisan. If you have to be reliably pro-Trump to work at Fox and reliably anti-Trump to work anywhere else, the silo effect will produce commentary that plays to the fears of one side or the other. Cable news already involves very little cross-ideological interaction. On most programs, particularly the evening shows, the host brings on guests who reflect the host's views. What Wallace did—ask tough questions of Republicans on a Republican-leaning channel—is increasingly rare, at least on television.
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Rep. Lauren Boebert (R–Colo.) recently lamented that "365,348 children went missing in 2020."
365,348 children went missing in 2020.
You haven't heard a word from the media about it.
There enlies the problem.
— Lauren Boebert (@laurenboebert) December 12, 2021
Except that claim is completely wrong. (And no, it's not just the spelling.)
In 2020, there were 365,348 reports of missing children, according to the FBI. But most of those kids aren't actually missing, and eventually return home safely. The overwhelming majority of juveniles reported missing are runaways. Among the subgroup of reported kidnappings, most are perpetrated by parents or other family members involved in custody disputes. It's incredibly rare for a total stranger to abduct a child: According to Reuters, fewer than 350 people under the age of 21 have been taken per year in the last decade.
Contrary to Boebert's claim, the media routinely report on child abductions—if it bleeds, it leads—probably making them seem more common than they are. There "enlies" the actual problem.
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Inflation-weary Americans are not happy with how President Joe Biden is handling the problem. According to USA Today:
As inflation continues to surge in the United States, Americans have named it their top concern, surpassing the pandemic. The poll found that 28% of Americans approved of Biden's handling of inflation, while a majority of Americans, at 69%, disapproved.
Biden has also seen a drop in approval rates in his handling of the economic recovery, with 41% of Americans approving his handling in December, compared to 47% back in October. Disapproval rates of Biden's handling of the economy jumped. Fifty-seven percent of Americans surveyed disapproved of his handling of the economy, compared to the 53% in October.
The poll was conducted Dec.10-11, among a random sample of 524 Americans, with a margin of error of 5%.
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Chris Wallace, the long-serving Fox News host and lead anchor, is leaving the network, he announced on Sunday.
CNN? Oof.
Chris's Wallace is a great balance, he grills trump about pointless topics that only political hacks care about, while asking Biden to be more polite!
To be clear, Wallace did NOT ask Biden to be more polite. He chided President Trump to not interrupt Biden so often.
Yeah nobody cares about any of that Trump behavior stuff. That’s why he surged to re-election.
You seem to only care about behavior. Damn the things that matter like policy.
Why are we stuck with an administration that promotes policy designed to please progressive Twitter? Oh, yeah, because Trump’s behavior was so erratic that he can’t get elected again.
And he’s doubling down by campaigning not on policy, but the stolen election bullshit. After the 1/6 riot and that stupid power point that has become public, trump has zero chance of being elected again. The Rs better pull their heads out pretty quick or we’re gonna end up in a progressive utopia.
"...because Trump’s behavior was so erratic that he can’t get elected again..."
Fuck you with a running, rusty chain saw.
He didn't get elected again because TDS-addled shits like you prefer a daddy figure instead of someone who actually made a difference.
And then slimy shits like you try to justify being an asshole.
Stuff it up your ass and fuck off, you pathetic pile of shit.
Why so angry. It wasn't "TDS-addled sh!ts like you...," but suburban moms. They cared about behavior. That is why they voted for Biden. If Trump keeps on the one trick pony of election fraud, he will not get them back, as they do know behavior they didn't like in the White House. That is why they were back to vote for Youngkin in Virginia.
If Trump can get back on message of Making America Great Again, lower energy prices to lower other consumer goods and groceries, he may get them back. But to have such an angry response to an article comment ...?
Because people voting based on behavior is idiotic and deserves to be called out. Especially in light of the media propaganda used to push behavior as an amplified issue by ignoring one side and attacking the other.
And you can believe Trump misbehaves while saying he had better policy than many presidents, but that's not what you and Bevis choose to do. You want to blame Biden's failures on Trump by blaming him losing the election based on the media attacks on his behaviors. You didn't call out Biden, you called out Trump as being at fault, same with Bevis.
All "bevis" did was comment that some people do vote based on behavior. He admits he did not vote for Biden, so it didn't bother him. The vile attack on him is unwarranted.
Trump lost based on his behavior and response to Covid. If he would have shut up about election fraud, the Republicans would have a majority in the Senate. Warnock had no shot to win until Trump's hissy fits. With the bright spotlight of a vicious, negative media, optics matter.
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It's reasonable to blame voters in a primary for the failure of a general election candidate. It's not reasonable to blame voters in a general election for the failure of a general election candidate.
Trump didn't lose because he was boorish. People already knew that in 2016. He lost because many people thought he wasn't taking the pandemic seriously enough, and because the election rules were changed to making voting by mail/ballot harvesting much easier.
Now they see the pandemic is continuing despite Biden's "bold" action, and that Biden appears totally incapable of managing pretty much anything.
"Why so angry. It wasn't "TDS-addled sh!ts like you...," but suburban moms..."
Because TDS addled assholes like bevis claim to favor liberty and smaller government while actively campaigning against someone who was providing it.
Let's just say I despise hypocrites like that piece of shit.
I doubt he was campaigning against Trump like the Lincoln Project and Never-Trump Republicans were. To point out Trump can be his own worst enemy at times is not TDS-addled, but recognizing reality. You may not like that some people vote personality, but that is reality. His acting like Al Gore, Hillary Clinton (reading her acceptance speech, of all BS), and Stacy Abrams is not helping.
Republicans need someone that reflects Trump's outsider attitude and his policy beliefs. If he can switch the buttons back to positive, maybe he would have a chance. If he stays negative, not so much.
"I doubt he was campaigning against Trump like the Lincoln Project and Never-Trump Republicans were."
Pretty sure Never-Trumpers had nothing on bevis.
I don’t know. It seems the more I look back upon trumps “terrible” behavior, And objectively and compare it to his “classy” opponents the more I convinced tds the right descriptor.
It’s epitomized in Don lemon complaining about Trump saying something to the effect of “having money grabs women by the pussy” meanwhile Lemon had literally Literally grabed a unwilling someone’s genitals. Look who was portrayed as over the top. TDS
If Trump runs, he should run on his record. No democrat can do that.
Prison record? If Eugene Debs can do it so can he, just make sure he doesn't pull an Epstein.
Is that all you’ve got? Nothing? Trump had a decent record. Biden won’t. You and your kind have nothing good to offer.
but suburban moms. They cared about behavior. That is why they voted for Biden.
More evidence the 19th amendment was a mistake should be repealed.
I didn’t vote for Biden and can’t stand the SOB, dip shit. Unfortunately you can’t get that through your politically addled brain.
You’re much more responsible for our being on progressive hell than I am because of your slavish support of a broken narcissist.
"Let's just say I despise hypocrites like that piece of shit."
Jam it up your ass, shitbag.
Whatever you do bevis, don’t blame progressives and the people who voted for them for…progressive policies.
The school of sarc.
He didn't get elected again because TDS-addled shits like you prefer a daddy figure instead of someone who actually made a difference.
That doesn't really contradict what he said.
I agree that paying more attention to Trump's personality and behavior than to what actually happened policy-wise during his term is the wrong way to look at things. But the fact is that a lot of people do care about that.
"...But the fact is that a lot of people do care about that."
And I oppose shallow thinking, especially in someone claiming to favor libertarian views
And why did they care so much more about it from Trump than any other politician?
Partly because Trump had far less of a filter on what he said publicly than most politicians and partly because the media (Often dishonestly) went out of their way to make him look bad.
Yeah, Biden has a great filter.
Indians at 7-11, constantly challenging constituents to fights and push-up contests when challenged at public events, when he’s not calling them fat or Dog Faced Pony Soldiers, Romney putting black people back in chains, and if they don’t vote for him they ain’t black, the time he admitted he had the biggest vote scamming organization in history, bragging about withholding aid to Ukraine until they dropped a corruption investigation into one of his business associates…
Biden has a filter in the form of a helpful media and handlers who made him mostly hide before the election. But you are quite right that he's as bad off-the-cuff as Trump in many ways.
Still, a big part of Trump's brand was "I'm going to say whatever comes into my head, and put it on Twitter". All I'm saying is that maybe that wasn't always to his advantage. The world is what it is, biased media and all, and he needed to work within that reality. I think he could have played it better.
No no, Bevis, you forget the first rule of Right-Wing Reason:
It's Always Team Blue's Fault
If Team Blue acts badly, it's entirely Team Blue's fault.
If Team Red acts badly, it's because Team Blue made them do it. It's still Team Blue's fault.
So if Mark Meadows was scheming to try to keep Trump in power by declaring a "national security emergency", then that is entirely Team Blue's fault for making him do that.
Jeff and Bevis, best friends putting behaviors over policies. Caring about what matters.
What matters, Jesse, is that he got his ass kicked. Through his own fault.
And yet you attack only him for Biden's outcome. I find that strange.
Media, not the problem. IC not the problem. Caring about behaviors, not the problem.
All you care about is how to blame the current situation on Trump.
All you care about is how to blame the current situation on Trump.
At $0.50 a pop.
Well, Trump's own personality and behavior is the one thing among those you listed that he had any power to change in 2020. So yeah, it's the media and the IC and the rest to a large extent that made the election go as it did. But none of that was going to change during the 2020 campaign (voting rules is another whole can of worms). Trump could have moderated his behavior or message in some way. I don't know if that would have done it for him, but I don't think it's ridiculous or unfair to suggest that that might have made the difference in the election.
Zeb, you and I have discussed this, but no matter what Trump did the media was going to invent and foment outrage. This was the 4 years of Russia, the false troops comments in The Atlantic, the false story after false story.
Sure Trump could have been nicer, but do you honestly think it would have changed one thing? The media didn't need to have a truth to push a narrative. We saw that for 5 years.
If only Trump hadn’t gotten golden showers from Russian prostitutes, people wouldn’t have thought that Trump got golden showers from Russian prostitutes.
If only Trump hadn’t said that white supremacists were good people and never condemned white supremacy, then nobody would have thought Trump said white supremacists were good people, and never condemned them. (A lie continued right here in this article by Robbie.)
If only Trump hadn’t vilified the vaccines, then nobody would blame Trump for vaccine hesitancy. (A lie repeated in these comment sections regularly).
If only Trump hadn’t called the media the enemy of the people, the media would have given him fair and honest coverage.
I could go on if you’d like.
It was a close election (even with whatever fuckery went on). Who knows what might have made the difference? The guy did get elected and maintained strong support. So plenty of people see through all the media bullshit. So I really don't think it's implausible that Trump changing his behavior could have made that marginal difference that would have changed the outcome.
The media was definitely out to get him no matter what, that's true. But that doesn't mean that nothing he did could have done differently could have possibly made any difference to the outcome of the election.
It’s impossible to say that not one single person voted against him because of his own behavior, I’ll grant you that.
However, I don’t think that really explains the people that voted for him in ‘16 not voting for him in ‘20. The media lied frequently before the ‘16 election, but they didn’t think he had a real chance to win. They’ve admitted this.
But after the ‘16 election they realized something: they could lie about Trump in the most obvious, extreme ways and get away with it, so they went into overdrive.
Many of the lies were not only not called out by “moderate” media, even publications like Reason actually repeated many of those lies, and continue to do so. So while most people will say they don’t trust the media, eventually you reach a point where the sheer amount of coverage becomes accepted fact.
I’d bet their is a huge overlap of people that don’t trust the media, but still think Trump said that some white supremacists are good people. Repeat a lie loud enough and often enough…
Right, not the unconstitutional ballot changes or the 2am ballot dumps. Fuck off you proggy apologist.
You got a new plaything, Jeff, and it looks like he's solely educated by CNN and DNC talking points too.
What fun you'll have gaslighting him. Don't break him like you did with sarcasmic though.
And, as we've heard from right-wing commenters, the _real_problem was not Mark Meadow's scheming, which must be overlooked -- the _real problem_ was Pelosi and the Pentagon scheming to stop the President from staging a coup.
Staging a coup? I hadn't heard that one before. Tell me more.
It involved assault fire extinguishers.
I should have made it more clear, that's how President Trump's actions were viewed, subjectively, in Pelosi's eyes.
And, to be clear, I'm saying it was my fault I wasn't clear. I was speaking casually and flippantly.
No, you have claimed it was an insurrection for 11 months now. No pretending you haven't.
Here’s Dee admitting to speaking causally and flippantly about a coup. But every other time she speaks on the topic, she should be taken seriously, and not as a squawking bird.
By coup do you mean frauding an election, or attacking the Whitehouse and burning down St. Johns, or trying to knock down the senate doors to stop a Supreme Court confirmation or selfies in the Rotunda after being let in by Capitol police?
Do I need to repeat how you only care about behavior? especially one amplified by a hostile IC and Media?
And it is funny how you talk about the stolen election stuff when last time you made this comment you said there was zero evidence of any fraud in 2020. Did you bother to investigate that claim? I gave you many examples.
"The Rs better pull their heads out pretty quick or we’re gonna end up in a progressive utopia."
It's kind of a race between which of the two major parties has their head up their ass more. You are correct about Trump, but the Democrats are tone deaf about economic concerns and parental concerns about the state of public schooling.
At least we know where your head is up.
The suburban moms cared about behavior, "Damn the things that matter like policy." That is why they voted for Biden. They don't know who "bevis the lumberjack" is, but they do know behavior they didn't like in the White House. That is why they were back to vote for Youngkin in Virginia.
Ahhh... women are idiots who fall for progressive narratives and too dumb to analyze policy.
Did I get that right?
Well....
A lot of peopel did care about behavior. When I ask people what they think is so uniquely horrible about Trump, that's usually most of what they can come up with. I think it's fucking dumb, but it does seem to be a significant thing.
How many of the stories on Trump's behavior were false? I mean even in this article by Robbie he calls out the refusal to condemn the Proud Boys as a continuation of the fine people hoax.
Did Trump's real behaviors even matter?
I think they did. I could be wrong. I don't think it's possible to know with any certainty.
There are always ways anyone can improve. Applies to Trump as much as anyone.
Zeb, you and Jesse are both right. Trump could’ve been less abrasive, and it probably wouldn’t have mattered.
The media really is that fucked up. And suburban housewives? Well, I hate to be that guy, but some of them are paying women of color to come to their homes and scold them about their white privilege.
Yeah.
Trump literally let Gold Star family and kids hug him when he knew he had tested positive for COVID. These are people who lost their brother or son by doing something heroic that no one in the complete Trump ancestry has ever done.
They all died, didn’t they?
#sad
You mean on the same day when Trump tested negative for the virus? So much for causing death.
Anyone else wanna take the honor of taking on dbruce?
Trump's behavior was exaggerated and Biden's hidden.
The suburban moms who fell for the media gaslighting would have done so regardless of what Trump actually did. We've seen thousands of times before that the media wasn't shy about making shit up, and it's not like they were going to quit.
The media certainly exaggerated Trump's behavior, but he also gave them a lot to work with. Maybe he couldn't have done anything about it in any case, but I'm not convinced that he couldn't have tightened things up a bit and made that less of a viable angle of attack on him. I really don't know, but I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest.
I will again point out that Robbie himself is continuing to carry forward the fine people hoax when he mentions Wallace's Proud Boy questions above.
Yup....Whether you think his behavior is outrageous or not, enough independents dislike it that they specifically voted for Biden to kick Trump out.
If you lean right, the last thing you want is Trump to run in 2024. He is as polarizing to the left as Hillary was to the right. He is also old as fuck. The only difference between Trump and Hillary in that respect is that the former could motivate his base, while the latter could not motivate hers. But the republican base is not big enough to get Trump over the hump.
"But the republican base is not big enough to get Trump over the hump."
Well, they prolly ARE if you can keep the Progs from manufacturing mail-in ballots out of thin air.
Any republican (even trump) should be able to beat these clowns in ‘24.
Vaccine mandates and IRS snooping on everyone’s bank accounts might just get me to vote for the first time in my life. And it won’t be for anyone with a d after their name.
It has never been more clear which party sucks way, way, fucking way more.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-admin-backs-tracking-bank-accounts-600-annual/story?id=80665505 Oct 19, 2021 ... The Biden administration has backed down on a proposal to collect banking information on accounts with transactions over $600 per year.
So they realized what a dumb idea they had. Wish they’d do it more often.
If they recognized all the dumb ideas they had, and could back down on implementing them, then they wouldn’t run for office!
I mean, he had condemned white supremacists and Nazi’s several times in his presidency. When did Biden ever denounce any of his racist Klan senator friends?
If a tree falls in the woods, and the media fact checks as false any reports that a tree fell in the woods…
Or the communists in his party? Or BLM and Antifa?
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9545480195 Since 2019, posts on social media have criticized Biden and suggested he is racist for associating with Byrd. But these posts often do not mention that Byrd had changed his positions decades earlier and apologized for his previous views. Racism is learned and it can be UN-learned.
1 out of 6 voters said they would have changed their votes from Biden to trump if they knew about bidens corruption and rape
then24 and national file are extreme right Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy websites based on the promotion of unproven/debunked claims and a Strong Pseudoscience purveyor based on using junk science to support claims. Failed Fact Checks Was Nancy Pelosi’s son an executive for a Ukrainian gas company? – FALSE
Says the sons of Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, and John Kerry are all on the boards of “energy companies doing business in Ukraine.” – FALSE
Is the United Nations office in New York recruiting paramilitary troops for disarmament and reintegration of U.S. civilians? – FALSE
A yearbook photo shows Mark Kelly dressed as Adolf Hitler. – False
CDC Inflated COVID Numbers and violated federal Law. – False
“Pfizer [COVID-19] vaccine confirmed to cause neurodegenerative diseases”; “mRNA vaccines […] can integrate into the human genome” – Inaccurate
The Australian government seized and forcibly vaccinated 24,000 students. – False These guys are so crazy they make QAnon look like a dictionary.
“Is the United Nations office in New York recruiting paramilitary troops for disarmament and reintegration of U.S. civilians? – FALSE”
Lol. This was a good one, but you fucked up the formatting. B+
I didn't do the formatting; all I did was copy and paste. Do you think the UN quote is true or any of the others? I want my grade changed to A+.
Yeah, after his performance as a debate moderator, I would say he was at CNN a long time ago.
I have to agree. Is Wallace's departure a great loss for Fox? I think not.
He’s 74. How long was he going to stick around anyway?
Meh, a couple years maybe. If that.
After the shitty debate moderation, it was over. Everyone knew it.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Wallace gave Trump much more challenging questions than Biden. He was correct to tell Trump to stop interrupting; if Trump had followed that advice he might still be President because slo-Jo would have gotten his tongue in a knot and started drooling. Trump was too stupid to follow the old rule: never interrupt your enemy when he is damaging himself. But that was Trump being Trump. Unfortunately he will not learn from his mistakes and could well deliver the 24 election to another dumb Donkey.
Very true. Trump saved Biden several times during the debates by simply not letting Biden continue talking.
"Wallace gave Trump much more challenging questions than Biden."
"Challenging" is a decent euphemism for "leading" and "implying" questions.
For example:
Wallace - “This month, your administration directed federal agencies to end racial sensitivity training that addresses white privilege or critical race theory. Why did you decide to do that, to end racial sensitivity training? And do you believe that there is systemic racism in this country, sir?”
Wallace’s framing of the issue here was factually false and designed to make Trump look racist. Not only did he misconstrue the objectively racist idea of critical race theory as “racial sensitivity training,” but he then followed up Trump’s answer on the issue with another trick question, “What is radical about racial sensitivity training?”
Then there was the "White supremacy" garbage. The media crafted a phony narrative that Trump "refused" to denounce white supremacy, even though he had, on-camera, dozens of times before.
Wallace knew this and he still plowed ahead with the lie.
“You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland?”
Wallace inferred that only racists oppose Antifa and inferred the narrative that Trump refused to denounce them.
There's dozens of other examples I can give on how shitty Wallace was.
Trump wasn't making mistakes, he was being attacked by a dishonest moderator.
Wallace is a leftist hack. CNN is a good fit for him. The viewers won’t follow him. They’re tuning into the network, not him. At least that’s how it works in his case. The same thing happened to Megyn Kelly, and she had the added advantage of being beautiful.
This should have been the first and the last comment here. You've said it all perfectly, in one short paragraph.
"Mr trump, after getting the UAE and Saudi Arabia to agree that Isreal has the right to exist, how do you plan to extend that to achieve lasting peace in the middle east?
" Mr Biden, what does the right wing media get so wrong when covering your campaign, also what is your favorite ice cream flavor"
Wallace and Biden started the interruptions: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/30/nolte-joe-biden-and-chris-wallace-started-it-by-interrupting-trump-numerous-times-first/
Trump did fairly well since he had COVID for a week before the debate ( See Mark Meadows ) and had been spreading to his administration and Chris Christie. Trump is sweating until they discover how the Gold Star family's made out. What he did was the worst example of uncaring I've ever heard of.
You are magnificently stupid.
Literally turn any channel and they will be discussing Mark Meadows book "the chiefs chief". It details when trump got COVID and what he recklessly did for the week before the Debate with Biden which required he take a test 72 hours before the debate but he didn't because he knew he was positive. I await your reversal of your last post.
Are you for real?
Do you have a TV or Iphone? Don't believe me, check it yourself.
Yet he tested negative the day of the event... weird.
That can't be. dbruce just heard differently from ABC.
To make things even more complicated....Mark is claiming his own book is fake news, talk about taking one for the team! Facts so far are on Oct 1 Trump could barely breathe, which is a symptom which occurs 4-5 days after you get the virus. Sept 26 or 27 he was infected. You can get a negative if you keep taking tests that are not 100% always true. It's amazing this whole thing could have been avoided with a simple mask. He wouldn't even wear a mask in a mask making factory that he visited, they had to destroy 2-3 days worth of masks because of him.
It's amazing this whole thing could have been avoided with a simple mask.
Even more amazing idiots still believe this despite all the real world data showing no correlation between mask usage and infection rates.
Pretty much everything you said is either a lie or not reflected by scientific facts.
You’re a silly faggot.
The tests can also show positive when one isn't. Ask me how I know.
How do you know?
No. The Unindicted Co-Conspirator showed up late knowing they wouldn't delay it anymore. His staff was asked under an honor system if he did, and they lied. When will people ever learn that he always goes with the lie?
No. I mean are you actually reliant on CNN and it's friends for your narrative?
Why not just sign up for Nancy Pelosi's mailing list directly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B30vWSDj2h4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VBBBCCPKls The only two of FOX NEWS I could find....maybe they don't like to cover this.
A claim made in a book that goes against actual test evidence by a an independent 3rd party?
I don't even get Fox News here, let alone watch it, but that's not the point. Fox is just as unreliable as the others.
The point is that something's prevalence on network news means absolutely nothing. It's a joke to imply something is meaningful because the networks are covering it.
Virtue signaling doesn’t affect reality.
I’m pretty sure he’s a parody.
I would like to see your proof of this theory.
This response.
I can't compete with an overwhelming response like that....WOW. Are you a masker or one of the dead no-maskers?
I’m neither a masker nor dead.
But your question also comes across as parody.
Masks don’t help. It must be tough for you, having such a limited intellect.
Lol. He “grilled trump about the proud boys”. A lefty grievance bogeyman, or GND and mandate madness? ….. I’m so glad he bought up the PB’s. My god, woke white pearl clutchers care about this shit! Haha.
“C’mon, man!”
Not even really CNN. Their STREAMING service.
Then again, a man who called Biden's inauguration speech one of the greatest speeches in recent history will not be missed.
“Then again, a man who called Biden's inauguration speech one of the greatest speeches in recent history will not be missed.”
A bit of a detail Robbie missed somehow.
Was it as good as Obama's hopie changie thing?
Not one mention of lowering rising seas.
The tests can also show positive when one isn't. Ask me how I know. How do you know? It is harder to get a false positive. They spent most of their time on false negatives so they could truthfully say they got a negative. How do you get your REPLY ARROW to disappear?
Are you retarded?
And where in these comments will I have to look for your answer, if you give one?
trump knew he tested positive and he cared so little about ANYONE he went around spreading to almost everyone in his administration including Chris Christie, Supreme Court nominee and a Gold Star family.
You were replying to this comment:
https://reason.com/2021/12/13/chris-wallaces-departure-from-fox-news-is-a-blow-to-unbiased-commentary/?comments=true#comment-9255927
So I ask again, are you retarded?
I was responding to: Make Democrats Extinct
December.13.2021 at 7:28 pm Masks don’t help. It must be tough for you, having such a limited intellect.
Hahaha! How embarrassing for you.
You must be embarrassed trying to enforce your selfish rules when you break them more than anyone. Laughing at posters when you are unable to respond. You might want to get "rule book of arguments" (Amazon for $12). This book helps you critically think through your ideas to develop arguments with clarity and depth. You won't be embarrassing yourself so much. You can thank me later.
I appear on Fox News frequently, and have appeared on CNN several times as well.
PARENTHETICAL HUMBLEBRAG ALERT
Full disclosure: Fist comments first on many Reason stories.
Well, usually just the roundup, to be sure.
How does he do that? You can’t watch a site close enough to be first every day. Can you?
Fist is first and funny. Damn him! Haha.
Wallace has a well-deserved reputation as an objective and fierce interviewer, and was just as tough on Republicans as he was on Democrats.
And if you're neither, like Trump, you really get the business.
Is he neither, or both? I'm having trouble deciding.
Neither establishment will claim him, but you might be on to something.
And with one simple move Chris Wallace raises the integrity of two networks.
Nice.
Masks don’t help. It must be tough for you, having such a limited intellect. Taiwan has been praised for its highly effective Covid-19 response. Taiwan, which has nearly 24 million citizens, has had only 451 cases and seven deaths. Taiwan had a plan in place for years, which involved quarantines, contact tracing and wide availability of masks, among other things. Trump was against all those mostly because they didn't make him look good. US had a plan written by Obama which Racist Trump threw away. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-team-left-pandemic-playbook-for-trump-administration-officials-confirm
Fun fact: No test was done at the debate because Trump was late and he knew they wouldn't delay it any more. I am not a doctor but I could see him sweating and red faced like he had just run a marathon.
How long do goldfish usually live?
To bad the DNC decides who actually wins their primary.
Yes, I said that. In a completely different thread. You don’t understand how this works.
You should really really take a break from posting and just read comments to see if you can figure out how these comments work.
Maybe ask one of the staff for help.
This is my 2 minute break...Republicans are the least likely to be vaccinated and the reddest Bone Spur counties have a Covid death rate per capita 5.7 times that of the bluest counties. Happy days for some of us.
On a different subject....my post below at Dec 15 at 11:36 AM ...... This is my 2 minute break...... has no REPLY button. It is rare and it seems random. I just miss the hilarious names people call me.
So how do you explain the COVID outbreaks on those countries with similar measurements? Care to explain that?
Hmm. Maybe both. Is it possible to run in two different party primaries simultaneously? Wouldn't it be hilarious if Trump got elected as a Democrat in 2024?
To bad the DNC decides who actually wins their primary.
Democracy!
A claim made in a book that goes against actual test evidence by an independent 3rd party? How could you get so many things wrong in an 18 word sentence? 1) EVERYONE agrees Trump got COVID and was near death. 2) The fact that Trump got COVID and went to the hospital because he could not breathe wasn't verified only by a book later. 3) The book claimed Trump had both positive and negative tests, which is easy to do by using tests that are less than 100% 4) the tests were given daily by his staff, not independent 3rd party.
You’re responding in the wrong place, like a good parody would.
You’re a raving idiot. Lots of bullshit in your comments.
We intelligent people call those FACTS.
Trump came out of COVID pretty much unscathed. The media would've had a field day had he been near death.
You don't know how to distinguish facts from falsehood. Either that, or you're deliberately lying.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/06/24/trumps-chief-of-staff-feared-president-was-going-to-die-when-he-had-covid-new-book-alleges/
True. So much for my fantasies of outsiders fucking with the party primary system.
That is actually better than letting the dumbest person on the planet do it after consulting with Putin.
When you talked with VVP, did he reference Leopold the Cat?
You might refer that one to Trump, he thinks VVP is his friend. I would wonder now that he is no longer prez and they are closing in on his money laundering operation. A lot of "accidents" happen around VVP.
It would be ridiculously on brand for him.
He has been a Dem more than any party. He gave money to Hillary. He only cares about himself so parties don't mean anything to him.
Trump is now the definition of Republicanism. Any so-called Republican who doesn't support him is a "RINO".
And you're the definition of a Democrat.
She’s the definition of a lying, squawking, bird.
She might not be registered as one but Dee always will cawcus with the Dems.
I imagine you saying that in Dennis Reynolds voice.
Good!
Luckily they can vote for him when he goes to jail...See Eugene Debs. I hope they guard him better so he doesn't pull an Epstein.
Go back to CNBC.
CNBC typically utilizes credible sources such as campaignlegal.org, fec.gov (federal election commission), poll.qu.edu (Quinnipiac University), and Bloomberg News.
I was tempted to say "fact check that" but in reality a bit of Merriam- Webster should suffice:
adjective. cred·i·ble | \ ˈkre-də-bəl \ Essential Meaning of credible. 1 : able to be believed : reasonable to trust or believe Their story seemed credible [=believable, plausible] at first.
Reality....the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
"She refuses to face reality"
It’s just about to time to dispose of the democrats.
The FBI will be interested in your post.
What does this have to do with mask efficacy?
Make democrats extinct thinks surgeons should not use masks, wash hands, wear gloves because they can't stop any virus. Are you as dumb as him?
Cite?
And what does this have to do with Eugene Debs?
Pay attention .......Trump is going to jail but poorly educated Republicans are still going to vote for him, like Debs, who got a million votes in jail.
Calm down. If you get upset you’ll lose your internet privileges.
Cite?
Bone Spurs will soon be learning prison lingo.
Wallace's interviews always started from the DNC talking points then demanded details, but the baseline was always the DNC framing. Not exactly unbiased there.
As inflation continues to surge in the United States, Americans have named it their top concern,..
I had no idea so many people used spittin’ tobaccy.
Oops, you beat me to it.
Anyway.
HAPERINFLATION!!!!!!
It’s understandable, I mean everyone is talking about it. The price of spittin tobaccy is the #1 economic concern.
That's chawin' terbacky. Aye Gawd, I keep tellin' ye, ye gotta chaw it 'afore'n' ye kin spit it! 🙂
The entire economy is indexed on plug tobacco. All news is provided by the state. The agenda and narrative must not be questioned.
The chew standard!
That would say something even worst about 100+ years of economic policies plugged by the Progressive Left.
What is up with this idiocy of an unbiased media class? Reporters have bias. Wallace had bias. He didnt show it as often, but even in his last interview he asked the gop why they were playing politics with the debt ceiling as they basically capitulated while ignoring the debt ceiling having to be raised due to covid.
What the actual fuck is this headline?
Many noted the bias during the debates for fuck sake.
https://spectator.org/chris-wallace-debate-bias/
He is a neutral arbiter like Jeff is.
Way to take the Brian seltzer angle.
Covid spending*
You left a post "real world data" on use of masks and slithered off without allowing a response. Maybe you got some more data on Trump and his administration getting COVID?....maybe all of them were just faking having COVID?
Lol. I responded to you and you had no response idiot.
There is zero correlation between mask policy and covid infection rates. Same with vaccine rates. NY is being crushed in new cases right now dummy.
A test ran by the debate commission day of saying negative vs a claim in an unfounded book. You prefer the latter.
LOL...who is the idiot? Taiwan has been praised for its highly effective Covid-19 response. Taiwan, which has nearly 24 million citizens, has had only 451 cases and seven deaths.
Taiwan had a plan in place for years, which involved quarantines, contact tracing and wide availability of masks, among other things. Trump was against all those mostly because they didn't make him look good. US had a plan written by Obama which Racist Trump threw away. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-team-left-pandemic-playbook-for-trump-administration-officials-confirm
Fun fact: No test was done at the debate because Trump was late and he knew they wouldn't delay it any more. I am not a doctor but I could see him sweating and red faced like he had just run a marathon.
Masks are bullshit. It’s a proven fact. So just stop. You beclown yourself.
I am sure when you go into surgery you will tell your surgeons to remove their masks because it is a proven fact they don't work. HAHA https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
Now do scuba divers.
try to pay attention
Dbruce doesn’t think scuba divers should wear masks.
Changed subject again, it is a bad habit.
Don’t argue religion with a zealot.
He has faith in mask.
You keep using engineering terms like relative size of virus to mesh.
He “says high priest Fauci says mask work” Because of “science”*
* a lot of you keep using that word (Science), but I do not think it means what you think it means. At the most basic, modern science is supposed to mean - independently verifiable data. By this definition, most contemporary “science” isn’t science. (Look up Replication the crisis of the sciences)
Then what about those other countries who had similar measurements but experience COVID outbreaks, such as in Europe? Can you explain this?
Do you also find China's number reliable too?
The virus is seasonal and nothing we do overrides that. Masks and even vax rate have no bearing at all to virus activity.
This has been obvious since the summer of 2020 when the virus disappeared up north but had a resurgence in the sunbelt, exactly as predicted by Hope-Simpson. And since then, us 'seasonality theorists' have correctly been predicting virus activity -- while the leaders blame the unvaxxed and push boosters.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/
Deflection. Come up with something better, dbruce.
U.S. financial markets are outperforming the world by the biggest margin in the 21st century, and with good reason: America’s economy improved more in Joe Biden's first 12 months than any president during the past 50 years notwithstanding the contrary media narrative contributing to dour public opinion.
Best deflection I could find. Truthfulness
You're not worth the flesh you're printed on...
Maybe we would be better off if it was required for them to switch networks on a regular basis.
Wallace grilled Trump on his disinclination to condemn the Proud Boys and chided the president for constantly interrupting his opponent.
Lol. This is an actual example of Wallace's bias. This was a continuation of the fine good people hoax. Trump had condemned white supremacy multiple times prior to the debates but wallace brought this shit up after Biden's comment on trump refusing to do so and trump asked which ones. This was incredible bias on Wallace's part.
I saw firsthand Wallace's balance last month when he was interviewing a couple of politicians about the January 6 insurrection. To keep it fair he interviewed both a Democrat and a Republican. James Clyburn on the left and and Liz Cheney on the right. Fair and balanced.
Oh fuck. What a joke. This dinosaur needs to retire. What an embarrassment.
Look... After twice condemning racist groups in response to Wallace's questions, the record shows that he refused to condemn racists and racist groups.
I think that about covers it.
I still want to know how the proud boys are a white supremacist group merely because they hate antifa.
Same logic applies to Kyle R being racist for killing white antifa's.
Back during the summer of love, anytime anyone pointed out antifa violence: “nu uh, wuz white supremacists!”
The Berkeley Center for Right Wing Studies explains in Culture and Belonging in the USA: Multiracial Organizing on the Contemporary Far Right
Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys are part of a trend of Far
Right organizing that departs from their explicitly White
nationalist contemporaries, and often fuses antiracist
language into otherwise nationalist, misogynistic,
libertarian, and xenophobic platforms.
Trump finally denounced the Proud Boys during a Fox News interview in October 2020. "I've said it many times," Trump said. "Let me be clear again. I condemn the KKK. I condemn all white supremacists. I condemn the Proud Boys."
The Proud Boys are unfairly maligned by leftists. As are all patriots.
https://www.adl.org/proudboys I read this and there is NOTHING to be proud of.
Lol, ADL.
try to pay attention
You haven't explained why they're reliable.
Lol and then the rest of the opinion piece turns into a direct attack on fox News. This was literally the same angle taken by Mr potato om CNN. Holy shit that is funny.
Anyone who believes that left wing Democrat Chris Wallace (who campaigned for Biden by teaming up with him to demonize Trump during a debate in which he was supposed to be the moderator) is either a left wing liar or an idiot.
So which one is it Soave?
Most left wing liars, and even the few honest ones, are idiots though.
The us and the world is overrun with dummies, we are lucky the last one didn't force us into WWW3.
Sadly you are serious. We all know Trump started WW3 and WW4, ask OBL. Or Jeff. Or the democrats.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/
What does this have to do with WW3?
Now I see why your teachers flunked you.
Cite?
You haven't explained how Trump would lead into WW3, just put up another deflection. Here dbruce, read this:
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Red-Herring
The chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen Mark Milley, has defended himself against charges of insubordination for taking actions (calling China) aimed at mitigating the threat of Donald Trump starting a war in his last weeks as president.
Making military commitments and threats regarding Taiwan and Ukraine wasn’t “the last guy.”
Pure luck. Trump really tried to start WW3, luck just got in his way.
Yeah, I’m going with parody.
Wait till he starts “screaming” POLITFACT!!!! Now THAT shit’s hilarious!
The chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen Mark Milley, has defended himself against charges of insubordination for taking actions ( China ) aimed at mitigating the threat of Donald Trump starting a war in his last weeks as president.
If Trump had a second term, the Middle East would probably be at peace. But we have Biden occupying the Oval Office, so I’m sure a big war is coming. Possibly several.
Trump is getting a second term, maybe 4 or 5 in jail.
Like as in, president of jail?
Now you are listening
I didn’t know they elected presidents for jails. Is it one president per jail, or one to rule them all?
Stable Genius will be known as Queen of Jail, real popular with the big black guys.
"left wing liar or an idiot"
Not necessarily a choice.
Chris Wallace, unbiased debate moderator: "Mr. President, why won't you condemn all of your white supremacist supporters?"
So many poisoned questions offered to Trump.
Yet never asked Biden to condemn his Marxist and racist supporters.
Trump never had to condemn his. Called them fine people, which is literally the opposite of what they are.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/10/supercut_president_trump_condemns_white_supremacy.html#
Watch the video.
He still ranks as the second or third most racist Prez. He would be number one but he is not a "joiner".
But you said he never condemned it, but the video shows you’re a liar. Not a good look bruce.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history I just noticed that the racists are back to wearing masks, which they didn't do during Bone Spurs term.
Embrace the power of and.
• So far, the omicron variant seems perfectly capable of infecting the vaccinated, but the disease has not been severe.
So no more blaming the unvaxxed?
No, the unvaxxed will be blamed harder. This is a cult we're dealing with.
Sadly, this is a true statement.
It may go beyond cult irrationality. Because Science!
THE Science! We need that article up in front!
Hopefully, there will be a Kool Aid variety of the vaccine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/07/science/merck-pfizer-covid-pill-treatment.html
Dude, call your case worker.
He is busy doing your Mom.
Haha, that was a good one! Now let’s see if I can get a “I know you are but what am I” out of you.
racism is learned
So you’re a racist?
Seems like it.
I learned early NOT to be racist. It comes in handy quite a bit.
Robby better not be repeating that shit on Twitter, they'll shut down his account for spreading misinformation like that. And you know it's misinformation because he's citing Reuters rather than the CDC.
They just now have confirmed the first omicron fatality in the UK, and everybody's going apeshit about it.
With it due to?
And an or in there.
And yet, somehow, no one I have found is reporting the age, vaccination status, or co-morbidities of the deceased.
I was informed last week by one of our resident leftists that the 30% unvaccinated Americans were to blame for the rise of cases in Europe . . .
All the variants are both from overseas, and also the fault of unvaccinated Americans.
and also because of racism
What about Trump?
And the Gee Oh Pee.
So why haven't the European countries forbidden Americans from entering?
They tried that, but the ban got Yanked.
better get another booster
...the resignations reflect larger tumult within Fox News over Carlson's series Patriot Purge and his increasingly strident stances, and over the network's willingness to let its opinion stars make false, paranoid claims against President Biden, his administration and his supporters.
Oh boy.
So unbiased he hates when people criticize a Democrat child molester
Theyve essentially admitted the diary is real and it has claims of inappropriate showers with the big guy.
Makes one look at his sniffing and touching little girls in a new light, yes?
Only if you intentionally ignored it in the first place.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html Trump: Grab 'em by the pussy and the Republicans filed into the voting booth.
So? Are you ignoring how Ashley Biden wrote of probable child molestation by her father, the sitting president?
then24 and national file are extreme right Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy websites based on the promotion of unproven/debunked claims and a Strong Pseudoscience purveyor based on using junk science to support claims. Failed Fact Checks Was Nancy Pelosi’s son an executive for a Ukrainian gas company? – FALSE
Says the sons of Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, and John Kerry are all on the boards of “energy companies doing business in Ukraine.” – FALSE
Is the United Nations office in New York recruiting paramilitary troops for disarmament and reintegration of U.S. civilians? – FALSE
A yearbook photo shows Mark Kelly dressed as Adolf Hitler. – False
CDC Inflated COVID Numbers and violated federal Law. – False
“Pfizer [COVID-19] vaccine confirmed to cause neurodegenerative diseases”; “mRNA vaccines […] can integrate into the human genome” – Inaccurate
The Australian government seized and forcibly vaccinated 24,000 students. – False These guys are so crazy they make QAnon look like a dictionary.
Cite?
fact checking site,,,,you ought to try it sometime instead of sniping at everyones post.
Link?
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Red-Herring
I am guessing that is a new site for QAnon types with an extreme right-wing Tin-Foil Hat level Conspiracy leanings.
Lol. “Grab em by the pussy”. You have heard of Tara reade, right?
#believeallwomen, indeed!
Yup. Parody.
At least 26 women have accused President Donald Trump of sexual misconduct since the 1970s. Oct 22, 2016 ... Donald Trump vowed Saturday to sue the 26 women who have accused him of sexual misconduct. #believeallwomen, indeed! HAHA
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
When I feel like joining a QAnon type nuthouse I will look you up.
"Inappropriate" in his daughter's own words too. This isn't just an appellation assigned by others.
then24 and national file are extreme right Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy websites based on the promotion of unproven/debunked claims and a Strong Pseudoscience purveyor based on using junk science to support claims. Failed Fact Checks Was Nancy Pelosi’s son an executive for a Ukrainian gas company? – FALSE
Says the sons of Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, and John Kerry are all on the boards of “energy companies doing business in Ukraine.” – FALSE
Is the United Nations office in New York recruiting paramilitary troops for disarmament and reintegration of U.S. civilians? – FALSE
A yearbook photo shows Mark Kelly dressed as Adolf Hitler. – False
CDC Inflated COVID Numbers and violated federal Law. – False
“Pfizer [COVID-19] vaccine confirmed to cause neurodegenerative diseases”; “mRNA vaccines […] can integrate into the human genome” – Inaccurate
The Australian government seized and forcibly vaccinated 24,000 students. – False These guys are so crazy they make QAnon look like a dictionary.
See my post below and quit spreading BS.
Which one?
then24 and national file are extreme right Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy websites based on the promotion of unproven/debunked claims and a Strong Pseudoscience purveyor based on using junk science to support claims. Failed Fact Checks Was Nancy Pelosi’s son an executive for a Ukrainian gas company? – FALSE
Says the sons of Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, and John Kerry are all on the boards of “energy companies doing business in Ukraine.” – FALSE
Is the United Nations office in New York recruiting paramilitary troops for disarmament and reintegration of U.S. civilians? – FALSE
A yearbook photo shows Mark Kelly dressed as Adolf Hitler. – False
CDC Inflated COVID Numbers and violated federal Law. – False
“Pfizer [COVID-19] vaccine confirmed to cause neurodegenerative diseases”; “mRNA vaccines […] can integrate into the human genome” – Inaccurate
The Australian government seized and forcibly vaccinated 24,000 students. – False These guys are so crazy they make QAnon look like a dictionary.
Cite?
Why? If you agree to everything, you don't need the source.
I puked a little.
The (rather long) quote about the lack of objectivity at Fox came from…..NPR.
*SHRUG*
Yeah, I stopped reading when he considered NPR credible.
To be sure, “false, paranoid claims” about president poopy pants are unnecessary.
Just let joe be Brandon. No words needed.
Not true, you should be ashamed to even mention it. Biden, of course, is not the only president to have unflattering and untrue rumors spread about his bodily functions on social media. Social media users previously claimed that former President Donald Trump had pooped his pants on the golf course (this rumor was based on a fake photo), that he had peed his pants before or during a public appearance in Tennessee (real photo, misinterpreted), and that he had once worn his pants backwards (this claim was based on some seemingly ill-fitted pants.
You seemed to get extra defensive about Biden pooping his pants. Why so?
because it is a made up story by crazies who can't debate issues.
How do you know it’s made up? Did you have your hands down his pants when it happened?
No, I was doing you Mom from behind.
Inflation-weary Americans are not happy with how President Joe Biden is handling the problem.
This false paranoia will not stand.
Speakjng of 'stamd," get a load of this guy:
Mr. President: America Needs A "Stand Down" Order
BY JOHN GROSSENBACHER, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/585038-mr-president-america-needs-a-stand-down-order
While salute the service of all in the U.S. Armed Forces, they still aren't the bosses of us in civilian life and all who served and understand our Constitution know this.
What the Hell does this man think this nation is, Sparta? And why the Hell is he asking us regular Citizens, not Biden, to "stand down???"
Even if he were legitimately criticizing the looters and rioters and street thugs of Antifa, BLM, Proud Boys, and the Alt-Right, (none of whom he names,) he should know damn well that the Military has no authority to order civilians to "stand down." That is the job of civilian law enforcement which also has Constitutional limits on power.
This asshole should stick to his retirement Mahjong or Bacce ball, not scold all decent Citizens for problems wrought by Government and it's sycophants in Media and Academia! Get outta my way going to work, shop, and play and get off my lawn!
"As inflation continues to surge in the United States, Americans have named it their top concern, surpassing the pandemic. The poll found that 28% of Americans approved of Biden's handling of inflation, while a majority of Americans, at 69%, disapproved."
I don't understand. 69% of Americans are regular users of spittin' tobaccy?
Because Reason's leading economics expert has repeatedly assured us inflation is a wingnut.com myth. He says the only price increase in the entire country has been a mere $0.10 per pouch of smokeless tobacco.
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
I don't even chaw terbacky and "I'd love to spit some Beech-Nut in that dude's eye"...followed by a whole lot of puke, of course. 🙂
".................and shoot him with my old 45"
Now, now. Kyle delivered. Me, I just lay in wait.
Just send the economist your chawin' terbacky bill and that will suffice as comeuppance. 🙂
So far, the omicron variant seems perfectly capable of infecting the vaccinated, but the disease has not been severe.
I only trust what comes before the but.
Thank God Fauci was on the Sunday shows saying while he didnt want to do it, the science may force him into future booster mandates every few months.
Holy Duality. He is both the Science and the Son of the Science.
Three persons in one Fauci!
Don’t forget, also the Holy Ghost of Science.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8569147/Trump-promotes-Dr-Stella-Immanuel-homophobic-doctor-preacher-uses-alien-DNA-cure.html
This doesn’t have anything to do with the Holy Ghost of Science.
You should go ask the nurse for a prn Hihn.
She is the Holy Witch of medicine.
https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Red-Herring.html
I was visited by the Holy Fauci and received his gifts. I now have the ability to speak in lies and am called to spread the Word of the Jab.
3 Wiseman gifts of mask, vaccine, and lockdown
Sarc, the herald angels sing,
Dee stroked off his ding-a-ling,
Peace on Earth, he smacked his child,
Uber drinks is who he dialed.
Uber delivers bottom shelf liquor and hobo wine?
Used to skype with an alcoholic Hillary fanatic. She could get Uber to deliver alcohol. Too bad Uber couldn’t deliver self esteem, humility or facts.
Who can understand what cawses such self degradation?
Lmao.
He hasn't been fired for torturing puppies yet?
That was a local story.
That's what we both said...simultaneously...with a third partner along for sloppy seconds and tasty thirds.
Here's how Los Angeles Unified School District's vaccine mandate is going: 496 employees, as well as 34,000 students, are now in violation.
BECOME UNGOVERNABLE.
All those damn LA Republicans.
In front of a mike, Wallace will alway be liberal.
But, at home in his gated compound...................................he just wants to make sure you can't move into his neighborhood.
Tornadoes rampaged across Kentucky on Friday, killing 80 people.
And tone deaf partisan tweets rampaged across Twitter because it's Kentucky, damaging countless Blue Check reputations.
Can't tell if this is sarcasm.
Of course, Blue Check Twitter's reputation remains as high as it's always been.
It's you, so I should have known.
But the joke is based on actual blue check Twitter tweeting that the people of Kentucky deserve this because of their Senators lack of support for climate change legislation.
Right, but my thought was Blue Checks' reputation can't be damaged any more than it is already. I wasn't sure if FOE believed Blue Checks' reputations took a hit, or if he was saying it sarcastically, knowing full well they're already at the bottom no matter what they tweet.
There is little regard for Blue Checks' reputations outside of the other Blue Checks.
Blue check stupidity is so strong that they can endorse a man who tortures puppies with little damage to reputation.
Rand Paul wrote Biden begging for money, forgetting the many times he has voted against money for other disasters more deserving.
Citation?
https://www.sbc.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2021/12/dr-rand-paul-releases-statement-on-devastating-kentucky-storms-sends-letter-to-president-biden-requesting-assistance
For Vice President Kamala Harris, all news is bad news.
I guess the public isn't ready for an African American in the White House.
#indianphobia
A Hindu Dindu?
Just change the name to Honky House and be done with it!
Cracker Palace.
Hmm, it is still an open question whether a Presidential candidate who is dark-skinned African-American with both African-American mother and father could get elected.
*barf*
You are probably misinterpreting my comment as saying that I care about such things. I don't.
And, again, I didn't make that particularly clear. I need to include more standard libertarian disclaimers in my comments, since I know many here will interpret them as ungenerously as possible.
Given your modus operandi here, I think most people have been incredibly generous with you.
There was zero libertarian thought in your post.
I think you should’ve prefaced it with how cool you are because you have interracial children.
You cared so little it was a stand alone non sequitur.
Especially if it’s one of those Uncle Tom Republicans.
And just like that… Obama wasn’t black anymore.
Well, they certainly wouldn’t elect one in California, so….
If post election claims of fraud are bad...
The Atlantic had a piece out on Sunday claiming the GOP were going to commit massive voter fraud in 2024 so we need to secure elections. And likewise if they lose 30 million conservatives will take up arms against the country.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2021/12/12/crazy-msnbc-and-the-atlantic-claim-30-million-people-ready-to-take-up-arms-for-trump-n1541054
This shit is right out of authoritarian playboys to demonize a party.
Thoughts sarcasmic?
No doubt some of the usual suspects will declare something like "let them! our mighty government will squash them like bugs!"
This tough talk makes me wonder why they're so terrified of Americans owning guns, or for that matter of Americans walking around the Capitol building in funny hats.
Not sure what JesseAz wrote, since I have him muted, but if you are trying to characterize the January 6th MAGA riots as merely "Americans walking around the Capitol building in funny hats" you are being dismissive of a violent attempt to interfere with the peaceful transition from one Presidential administration to another.
Caw caw!
I like how you advertise chosen ignorance and still respond based on your perceptions of what you perceived was written instead of actually informing yourself.
He was referring to the preemptive screeching that Trump is going to "steal" the 2024 election and if said steal fails then supposedly the MAGA types will launch an insurrection with their military-style assault weapons. This is the same sort of wild-eyed speculation that characterizes a mere riot as an "existential threat to the sacred citadel of democracy".
My point is that it's odd that people who mock the idea that private gun ownership is a counter to government tyranny are the same ones who freak out over mere unarmed riots (and that is all that 1/6 was no matter how much AOC hyperventilates) or just people watching Fox News.
"mere unarmed riots"
You are still being overly dismissive of what happened on January 6th. It was an attempt to interfere with the peaceful transition from one Presidential administration to another, not merely yet another riot.
How do you debate a guy like this?
Time and time again everything he said about Jan6 turned out to be a lie, but he still holds tight to his thoroughly discredited narrative, even though it's obviously dead. Even he can see it's dead.
Those unarmed people were gonna force the senate to certify trump. And then make them pinky swear to stand by it.
Haha. Yeah, that’s mike for ya.
Yet not one person charged with insurrection.
And again, since you seem to love being ignorant, the certification in the House is not a required event. Delaying it for a few hours would not undo an election.
But you only care about expanding federal power under democrats.
FFS, any political riot is an attempt to interfere with the government's workings. It's a normal albeit messy part of life.
I would say that trying to burn down federal courthouses and violently assaulting police officers is more of an "insurrection" than 1/6 was. But heh that was just "mostly peaceful protest" right?
You can get emotional and say "FFS", but the January 6th riots are in a category apart for trying to strike at the very heart of American democracy.
You had to be laughing when you typed that drivel.
He's actually fucking scary!
were you there?
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"mere unarmed riots"
Here’s Dee misquoting EES in the immediate response, and using quotes as she does it. That’s how dishonest she is.
She’s been hanging out with sarc and perhaps got secondhand inebriation.
Man, that unbiased pjmedia source. /s
I think it's less massive voter fraud and more outright electoral suppression. If you can't see they purposefully gerrymander (yes Dems have to) and close down voting places in minority (read- Democrat) heavy areas then you aren't paying attention. Project REDMAP is exhibit A in their quest to maintain power via dirty tricks instead of popular policies (or rather, any policies at all considering they don't really stand FOR anything.)
It links directly to the article in question idiot.
Voter suppression. What a joke.
They trot that claim out every single election.
When I moved to Florida in 2000, they claimed the evil Republican racists were suppressing the black vote in Broward county. the county that had not one elected republican, and a very activist democrat supervisor of elections. But there was a car pulled over a mile or two from a polling place by the highway patrol... Proof! Voter Supression!!! And there was road construction near another polling place!! Proof!!!
Meanwhile, broward never reported their results until after all other counties were in. They were usually the last in the country.
But every single year they claimed voter suppression and every single year they kept polling places open late.
Until the governor replaced the activist democrat supervisor.. The very next election, all results were reported at the same time as everyone else.
Funny how that works.
Hanging chad and butterfly ballots and dems voting for Buchanan. I was working when they stopped the recount when Gore was about to pass Bush. Would have been nice if the Supreme Court would have called a tie or continue counting and we would not have 2 decades long wars and saved $Trillions.
You're deceiving yourself if you think there would've been no wars after 9/11 happened. Why do you think Obama continued the wars for sometime?
Damn! I thought the "Republicans are planning to steal the election" stories would be held off until late spring! Was Atlantic jumping the gun or are the Democrats so desperate to deflect from the real news that they're rolling out the offensive early?
Ive already heard multiple claims that if R's win in 2022 and Stacey Abrams doesnt claim GA gov, it is due to:
- gerrymandering
- racism
- sexism
- voter suppression
and not due to:
- people's massive disapproval of Biden/Harris
- people's massive disapproval of the economy
- worst inflation in years (celebrated by dems)
- dem's wanting lockdowns for a virus that kills almost no one
They never learn. Theyll come away with this thinking "man the R's cheated EXTRA hard this time"
It is what the two teams always do.
If the other team wins, it's because they cheated. Not because of crappy ideas or terrible candidates. Nope, they must have cheated.
When Hillary lost, it was because "sexism".
When Trump lost, it was because "MASSIVE FRAUD".
That is what the two teams do. Play on people's fears and anxieties and anger. It's been a while since either one of them delivered a truly uplifting message that wasn't also accompanied by "but you can't vote for those other guys, they are evil and hate America". They cannot win except through fear.
Now do 1960 or LBJs 1948 Senate election.
Donkeys have a proven track record of cheating. R's not a much.
Johnson's victory was based on 200 "patently fraudulent" 608 ballots reported six days after the election from Box 13 in Jim Wells County, in an area dominated by political boss George Parr. The added names were in alphabetical order and written with the same pen and handwriting, following at the end of the list of voters. Some of the persons in this part of the list insisted that they had not voted that day.
Trump 2016 CROSSCHECK ....Crosscheck has PURGED an astonishing 7,264,422 suspects in 2016, yet we found no more than four perpetrators who have been charged with double voting or deliberate double registration.
Some states have dropped out of Crosscheck, citing problems with its methodology, as Oregon's secretary of state recently explained: "We left [Crosscheck] because the data we received was unreliable."
In 2016
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
Virginia removed an astonishing 41,637 voters based on Kobach’s accusation they "MIGHT" have voted twice. Not one arrest.
Anyone feel like taking on this guy this time? It can be tiring to point out his blatant fallacies.
And I think it's only going to get worse. Each time the government acquires more power it raises the stakes just that much more, which raises the fear factor. And honestly that fear is not completely irrational; sooner or later I think somebody is going to try get permanent control.
Maybe you have an answer...How do you become President if you are in jail?
Care to point out any arrest and trial records?
Don't forget, a government, desperately in debt but pretending it isn't really a problem, loves inflation. They can't pay off said debt reasonably, but they can inflate (deflate the currency) their way out of it.
How could that be? I’m told things have never been better! (You just have to ignore the shocking increase in the price of spittin’ tobaccy).
Things are already going bad, and no doubt as winter sets in they'll double down on lockdowns, mandates, etc. The cleanup on aisle 22 might end up being a very large task.
That’s exactly the way you’d expect projection to work.
Donkey's have a long record of blaming others for what they are already doing. See Russia collusion for the most egregious recent example.
Did they even bother measuring the communist revolutionaries in the USA?
This is classic leftist media propaganda: find and measure the crazies on the right. Pretend the left don’t have any. Oh, look: only the right looks crazy.
People are in to them. Virginia didn’t go the way it did because people don’t think leftists are crazy. You don’t need a media to go find them; just listen to what they say. Eventually the mask comes off and you see the crazy.
You mean AOC doesn't count as crazy?
Not to them, oh no.
Not a big deal. Now Fox News can be the propaganda they want without pretending to be "fair and balanced."
Besides that, anyone getting their news from any 24/7 news channel is likely to be pretty uninformed at best, blatantly lied to and manipulated at worst, in one direction or another.
Not like that could ever happen to you.
Shitlunches doesn’t get his news from 24/7 cable news. He gets it from his morning email.
But, you do know the Apollo moon landing was all a big hoax? Right?
"Wallace has a well-deserved reputation as an objective and fierce interviewer, and was just as tough on Republicans as he was on Democrats. This was most evident during the 2020 presidential campaign, when he moderated a debate between then-President Donald Trump and challenger Joe Biden: Wallace grilled Trump on his disinclination to condemn the Proud Boys and
chided the president for constantly interrupting his opponent."
I'll note the lack of criticism of Biden by him....
Do you have any idea what the word "context" means?
Yews. The context is that Soave was backing up an assertion with examples.
Assertion: Wallace has a well-deserved reputation as an objective interviewer.
Evidence: 1) Wallace grilled Trump for being "disinclined" to condemn Proud boys. 2) Wallace chided Trump for interviewing Biden.
Contextually speaking, one would expect evidence to support the claim of objectivity. The only way- in this context- such evidence would be evidence of objectivity would be if there was objectively nothing to criticize Biden for. You...don't think Biden is beyond criticism...do you?
Pretty much. Criticizing one side is not an example of a lack of bias without being able to show some criticism of the other side.
Criticizing one side gives absolutely no information about how the person views the other side.
Oh but it does! Haven't you learned anything on these comments?
When someone doesn't say something, that really means [insert strawman here] and if you disagree then you're a liar!
Yet you both call out ken and others here for criticizing the left constantly, calling them trump cultists or right wingers.
There's one right there. I never said "All protestors are rioters!" which to the troll meant "I support BLM!" And the retard still believes I supported all of the riots because I refuse to denounce every single protestor as a rioter. He will call me a liar and tell me I really do support BLM when I say that I don't, because of what I didn't say.
So Mike, not saying something is all you need to say to these fools. They will fill in the blanks for you, and call you names if you disagree with what they say about you.
Umm.. you do know how stupid you look assuming what was said and responding to that assumption right?
And the retard still believes I supported all of the riots because I refuse to denounce every single protestor as a rioter.
Aside from the fact that you're arguing against something you imagined he said, now do Jan6.
He also joined in joining Mike with the hysteria over unmarked police vans in Portland.
Yes, it is Schulzian Logic, which isn't quite the same as Logic one might learn in say a classic Logic textbook.
And my point is proven. Hilarious.
Here's your bias, Mike:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/30/here-are-the-11-dumbest-most-slanted-questions-asked-by-chris-wallace/
Maybe you should first grapple with honesty, before attempting to delineate logic.
Try Discrete Mathematics. For me it was a 300 level math class without any numbers. Yeah, math with no numbers. Let the trolls figure that one out.
Oh, I know Discrete Mathematics very well. I was a Computer Science major.
What good is such logic when you and sarcasmic are willing to display dishonesty?
Not necessarily. You might just be a racist.
If you're going to write "was just as tough on Republicans as he was on Democrats."...you'd think examples of him being tough on Democrats would be discussed.
I think it was a given that he was tough on Democrats being that he was an employee of
RepublicanFOX News. If he wasn't then he'd have been fired a long time ago.Then examples should be exceptionally easy to turn up, no?
They should. And if I gave a shit I'd look some up.
So you don't have any. The same guy who cries and demands citations of what he has said in the past and then mutes you when provided said claims.
This is why I know sarcasmic is just a troll.
And Robbie gave enough of a shit to write a fucking article about it, yet he didn’t.
By your own statement here, you should just agree with the criticism towards Robbie for not doing what you just said should be done.
But you can’t.
Except he gave a lot of democrats a pass. There are studies showing Wallace interrupted GOP guests far more than DNC guests.
What made him unusual was him being tough on Republicans. Nobody else on that network even pretends to be such.
Do you ever watch FNC, out of curiosity?
Occasionally. Whenever I do it's Rah Rah Republicans, Damn the Democrats!
You don't have to lie. You can say no.
No Jesse, he has to lie.
Yeah, he really does have to.
Can you provide examples of this?
Well, now, we do have to acknowledge they can be tough on RINOs such as Mitt Romney. The new definition of "RINO" being, "Not lining up behind Trump."
Basically.
I really get a kick on how you two young lovers have become the neocons biggest boosters, but swear you're libertarian.
So if I say "Ford sucks" does that mean I need to say something about Toyota?
If you said "I'm as harsh on Ford as I am on Toyota", then yes.
Only if Trump doesn't like Toyotas.
Nice of you to admit to us that rules can be broken as long as it's for anti-Trump purposes.
FOX News fawns over Republicans, so those examples are probably the only times anyone on that network has dared to say "Boo" to a member of the GOP. While it's a given that Democrats will be portrayed as evil.
As a hypothetical counterexample, say someone on MSNBC was portrayed as objective by showing them to be critical of Biden. Would that really need to be balanced out with examples of being critical of Trump? Of course not.
You're just whining that boo hoo Reason said mean things about a Republican without giving equal criticism to a Democrat.
Funny, but I never see you bitching when Reason runs something critical of Biden that they're not balancing it out by being mean to Republicans.
FOX News fawns over Republicans, so those examples are probably the only times anyone on that network has dared to say "Boo" to a member of the GOP.
Perhaps you should actually watch Fox news. The balance is about 2:1 R:D, which is far better than MSNBCBSABCNN, that are all about 30:1 D:R. Wallace was about 1:2 R:D.
The opinion shows - Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham - are of course 10:1 R:D, but that's opinion.
Regardless, the constant "Weezen was mean to Wepubwicans witout weeing mean to Wemocwats!" is getting tiresome.
Especially when articles critical of Biden don't get comments like "Reason's a conservative rag that doesn't equally criticize Republicans when they run an article about Biden!"
It's nothing but hypocritical bitching and moaning.
How about stick to this particular article, and this particular point by damikesc and Overt about it?
Remember folks, sarcasmic swears he's not a Democrat.
I think I'll start doing that. Just for fun. When Reason runs something critical of the current administration I'll throw in a rant about how they're biased against progressives for not balancing out the criticism of Biden with criticism of Republicans.
How about you actually criticize Biden for once instead of hyperbolic strawman intended to deflect?
"When Reason runs something critical of the current administration I'll throw in a rant about how they're biased against progressives for not balancing out the criticism of Biden with criticism of Republicans."
Why?
Soave is the one who brought up bias. He asserted that Chris Wallace was unbiased. It isn't like I brought this subject up. I disagreed with an assertion that Soave specifically made.
But if you ask most proggies, Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham ARE FOX news.
They can't distinguish opinion from reporting the news.
So there's that.
"FOX News fawns over Republicans,"
Do you...actually watch fox news?
"As a hypothetical counterexample, say someone on MSNBC was portrayed as objective by showing them to be critical of Biden. "
Yeah, this is actually bad argumentation whether you talk about MSNB or Fox. If you are arguing that a PERSON is unbiased, then ascribing the positions of his employer tells me nothing about that person. This is especially true when Wallace is...an employee of Fox News...evidently not saying biased things...for 18 years....
The logic is dizzying..."Since everything Fox employees say is biased, this Fox employee saying the opposite proves he is not biased." You know, or...the fact that this employee is saying critical things means HE is biased, and your presupposition of Fox is actually wrong.
"You're just whining that boo hoo Reason said mean things about a Republican without giving equal criticism to a Democrat."
Nah, I made a factual statement. Go talk to a debate coach, and they will tell you that assuming an argument is not appropriate. If you want to prove that Chris Wallace is unbiased, then you look at his work specifically and provide that evidence.
This is now the second time you have claimed to read my mind to know what conservative shibboleths lurk in my head, despite me telling you my reasoning. Please stop.
Robbie’s entire article was based on the assumption that IT IS KNOWN that everyone at Fox News is being pro-Trump at all times, except when examples are given to the contrary.
Why does he need examples to support facts that everyone already knows?
And see sarc’s comment above as evidence.
Looks like Soave and Reason have buried the most important news story about CNN this weekend.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/landonmion/2021/12/11/cnn-employee-charged-for-sexual-abuse-of-underage-girls-n2600468
But, had they been FOX employees............................
"Steve Hayes and Jonah Goldberg, two conservative commentators who have worked at Fox for years, recently resigned in protest over Tucker Carlson's Patriot Purge series about the January 6 Capitol riot."
Wasn't that they were not going to have their deals renewed which expire in a few months, eh?
Does ANYBODY miss Goldberg or Hayes?
Democrats do. They love the known limp opposition.
I miss Goldberg. I really do. He was relatable and had a good way of driving to the epistemological problems with a lot of standard liberal tropes.
It is a shame he decided that defending the Elites' position in the GOP was more important than defending conservative values. Or perhaps it is a shame that he thinks conservative values are so dependent on Elites.
I will say "Liberal Fascism" was quite a good book.
Then again, David Frum wrote a good book about the 1970's.
Trump broke both of them. Beyond repair.
"Liberal Fascism" was nothing more than doorstop version of "Dems R Da Reel Rayciss!" trope. Goldberg has always had a blind spot for the left's will to power, and believes that pointing out left-wing hypocrisy is how you win arguments with them. He's never understood that sort of thing doesn't work with people whose core principle is "no bad tactics, just bad targets."
The ends justifies the means. And, winner takes all.
That's politics. Right?
The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters. - Genghis Khan
No no. They are the golden mean. Just like every other non lefty criticizing anti trump leftist.
What exactly is "conservative values" about the current populist madness within Team Red?
Demagoguery is not "conservative values".
Bowing to the will of the mob is not "conservative values".
Conservative values used to mean taking the high road and not wrestling in the mud with the pigs. But now winning is all that matters. If that means adopting the strategies and tactics of the enemy, then so be it. Conservative have become the very people they hate.
And we see them adopting traditionally progressive beliefs: such as right-wing anti-vaxxers now taking the position that pharmaceutical companies are greedy.
Conservatives also used to champion free markets. Now they're champions of trade wars, merchantilism and protectionism. Just like the lefists they hate.
Did you guys have a good date night this weekend?
And here once again Mike calls people against mandates anti vaxxers.
right-wing anti-vaxxers now taking the position that pharmaceutical companies are greedy.
I know, right? Their crap about EVUL BIG PHARMA GREED could have been uttered by Jenny McCarthy 10 years ago.
But, they don't have her tits!
Ummm, soooo…., there’s no hypocrisy in the anti big pharma left cheering on the punishment of people who refuse their “vaccine”, that big pharma has been paid billions of taxpayer dollars for?
Oh, and I haven’t heard much about right wing disdain for “EVUL BIG PHARMA GREED”. Just the government forcing their product on people.
Lol. Goddamn dude, just stop.
"Conservative values used to mean taking the high road and not wrestling in the mud with the pigs. But now winning is all that matters."
Losing politely is a rather terrible idea.
Reagan was such a pussy for not adopting the tactics of the liberal left, amirite?
Weird how the Left continued taking over the culture under him, ain't it?
Which means what? That conservatives should become populists? That they should cancel those who disagree with them? That they should resort to personal attacks while ignoring issues?
That's what the left does, and since the bombastic buffoon took over the GOP, that's what the right does.
They used to have class. Now they're like school at five in the morning.
Which means what? That conservatives should become populists
All politicians should be populists in the genuine sense of the word. It's when they become elitist that the cancer of authoritarianism starts.
valets.
Stupid phone.
This. Not valets.
"Which means what? That conservatives should become populists?"
Who cares what those pesky VOTERS think, amirite? Conservatives, for DECADES, supported Republicans so they'd be able to appoint justices to overturn Roe. Yet, it is only happening MAYBE now. Cannot figure out why the Right has become tired of the Republicans.
"That they should cancel those who disagree with them?"
Who have they cancelled?
"That they should resort to personal attacks while ignoring issues?"
'Sure, you're called Nazis all of the time. Just except it!' Whining that the Right is "resorting to personal attacks" is funny given the decades of NOT doing so not doing much to stop them.
"That's what the left does, and since the bombastic buffoon took over the GOP, that's what the right does.
They used to have class. Now they're like school at five in the morning."
...except the press agrees with the Left on these attacks WHILE praising their classiness.
So fuck 'em. We don't owe the establishment a damned thing.
I really miss Goldwater.
While I've never registered with a political party, I tended to vote L or R in elections. Only once did I vote D, and that was for a state representative who was pushing to get the state off of that miserable daylight savings nonsense.
I know that is contrary to the narrative about me. You can believe me or the trolls.
Then along came Trump, and he ruined the GOP. Turned a party of principles into a cult of personality. Conservatives have abandoned most of what separated them from the left. They differ on some policy details, but they're just as nasty and unwholesome as their foes.
So the last time I moved, I never bothered to register to vote. I really see no point.
LOL. You are so broken. You still can't acknowledge policy. You are only about feelings, which you accuse the GOP of.
Also you spend 99% of your time only attacking the right and ignoring the left. Often as a deflection for the left.
Well you have a problem, then Sarc.
Because the Republican Party, for the last 20 years or so has been nothing but a bunch of elites pissing on our legs and telling us it is raining. If you sat through No Child Left Behind, Iraq War, Medicare Part D, Everything that had to do with Romney then your focus on "a party of principles" was always misguided.
It is striking to me that you consider Populism to be such a bane. You know the opposite of Populism is being run by Top Men, right? Why, as a libertarian,
*cnt'd*
Why as a libertarian, do you consider it problematic that a party reflect the values of its rank and file, rather than a bunch of elites regularly engaged in selling out said rank and file?
Populism is catering to the mob. It's all emotion. There is no reason to it. So yeah, I don't consider it to be a good thing.
The opposite of populism is thought and deliberation, as opposed to rousing speeches and inciting people to violence.
Populism is catering to the mob. It's all emotion. There is no reason to it.
Which is irrelevant, because populism doesn't come to the fore unless the establishment has massively fucked up in some fashion, and it usually follows some kind of economic disaster. The first mass populist movement happened after the Panic of 1893, there was another surge during the Depression, and again after the Great Recession with the Tea Party and Occupy movements that have essentially become the foundation of the two parties.
If the establishment hadn't fucked up so badly, the mob wouldn't have come along to begin with. Populism only comes to the fore when massive dysfunctions exist.
Stop defending your support of being ruled by an oligarch sarc. Populism is how you get left alone instead of shit being foisted upon you. Holy shit you are fucking misguided.
Populism only comes to the fore when massive dysfunctions exist.
Even if that is true, it doesn't make it a good thing.
Even if that is true, it doesn't make it a good thing.
"Good" and "bad" are hardly the point. What matters is fixing the dysfunctions, mitigating them so their damage is minimized, or reducing their likelihood to begin with.
last 20 years or so
20 years? This has been going on since Nixon. Even Reagan didn't mind being a budget buster. But at least they and Ford either wound down wars or kept the foreign intervention down to a minimum. Then the GOP sends up the Bush boys to ramp up invasions and or nation building.
And their losers, Dole, McCain, Romney? The tax collector for the welfare state, the forever war neocon and the grandfather of Obamacare. Those are the "conservatives" these troll assholes pine for.
"Turned a party of principles into a cult of personality. "
Medicare Plan B says hi and thanks for praising Bush's "principles".
I have never voted, but “I really see no point” in continuously bitching about yesterday’s assholes when today’s are so much fucking worse.
Give it up dude. It’s almost 2022.
Reagan was such a pussy for not adopting the tactics of the liberal left, amirite?
Are you serious? Here's a quick history lesson on Reagan's rise:
The Goldwater movement was, at its heart, a populist one. It was a revolt against what was perceived as the "go-along-to-get-along" strategies of the northeastern wing of the party, such as the Rockefellers. Goldwater said, "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice," and he got waxed in the 1964 election as a nutjob who would get the country nuked. Reagan adopted that same stance by being unapologetically patriotic when it was fashionable to be doubtful about America's history, traditions, and place in the world. Furthermore, the neo-Marxists hadn't completely taken over the Democrats when Reagan came along, so there weren't any "tactics" to adopt. They didn't effectively take control until Obama finally came along, and that was because he had the backing of some very powerful moneyed interests who just happened to be radical left ideologues. Eight years later, DC was full of these kinds of assholes.
Whether Reagan would have gotten dirty is immaterial, because that was a completely different time period with a populace that had completely different cultural sensibilities.
The fact that he claims populism is being ruled by the mob as the lefts elite continue to rule people by 50 +1 support of bills and authoritarianism is amazing.
This response shows the deep understanding sarc has of actual conservative values.
Of the two teams, blue tends toward populism far more often. And accuses red of it endlessly. Just as they have taken to accusing the rightists of being cultish...
"What exactly is "conservative values" about the current populist madness within Team Red?"
Conservative values is not pushing an architect of Obamacare in an election, merely because it was his turn. It means supporting de-regulation even if you don't like the person doing it. It means not supporting establishment candidates who did nothing to reign in the budget while simultaneously claiming to want to reign in the budget.
I don't expect you to understand this Chemjeff, because you probably haven't read any of Goldberg's stuff pre-Trump. However, under his guidance as editor, The National Review went from being an Anti-Drug War, pro individualism rag, to being a booster for essentially the establishment Republican party.
His work helped to create the populist backlash that unseated him, and he not only understands this, he continues to make the argument that Elites should be running the conservative movement. Despite the fact that the Elites have been selling out exactly this movement (nicely, and without mean tweets) for 21 years.
Jeff has often claimed elites should run things, even calling teachers elites.
He has openly stated his desire to have a global elite run all politics/countries. He constantly pushes for power to be moved further away from an individual into a centralized format ran by elites.
"teachers elites"
Two words that shouldn't be in the same sentence......unless it is written by an elitist teacher.
neocons gotta neocon
Well, they did seem to change their standards weekly
He lost me with the article about “vegan fascists”.
I mean, yeah they’re annoying and self righteous, but let’s not get carried away.
According to five people with direct knowledge, the resignations reflect larger tumult within Fox News over Carlson's series Patriot Purge and his increasingly strident stances, and over the network's willingness to let its opinion stars make false, paranoid claims against President Biden, his administration and his supporters.
----According to NPR
I think this is being misread by NPR, and you probably shouldn't buy into this narrative. The changes at CNN appear to be driven by market behavior and the merger--and that's from Zucker firing Cuomo to Chris Wallace coming to CNN+.
For those of you who don't know, ATT&T is spinning its WarnerMedia properties off to a new joint venture with Discovery that will be overseen by the current CEO of Discovery--and Zucker's contract runs out in 2022. At the same time, CNN is launching CNN+ as a stand alone app--much like Fox Nation.
"Mr. Zucker, whose contract expires later this year, said he doesn’t expect CNN to be spun off from WarnerMedia after Discovery takes over in a deal set to close in 2022. Discovery, which owns cable channels including TLC, Food Network and HGTV, is helmed by Chief Executive Officer David Zaslav, who is slated to run the combined company."
These changes are being driven by CNN getting its ass kicked in the ratings. That article goes on to say that CNN+ is hiring hundreds of producers, contributors, and developers for the CNN+ launch later in 2022. All signs point to CNN+ trying to back to CNN's more objective, journalistic roots. Attracting people who still have credibility on the right is part of their effort to rebrand themselves as a more objective news source--and it's almost all certainly being driven the concerns of Discovery CEO David Zaslav, who will be the CEO when CNN+ launches. Yeah, that's the network that does shows about gold mining and hot rods.
Anyway, the point is that CNN's business model stinks, and they're getting their asses kicked in the ratings. Their branding as a bullshit objective news source that's still a progressive front simply can't generate the kind of revenue they need. So, with the launch of CNN+, they're rebranding themselves, so to speak, as a legitimate news source--getting rid of people like Cuomo and bringing in people like Chris Wallace. This isn't about any turmoil within Fox News. This is about CNN's business model collapsing with the advent of streaming, a new CEO taking over CNN, and CNN's ratings being in the toilet.
The CNN we see a year from now won't be like the CNN we see today. It'll be under new management.
Forgot to add the link!
"CNN Ramps Up Streaming Push as Discovery Merger Looms"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cnn-ramps-up-streaming-push-as-discovery-merger-looms-11622545201?
I’m hoping this doesn’t mean that CNN+ will ever be part of Discovery + programming? Because as soon as I can figure out how to get local channels without Hulu live, I was planning on adding discovery + to my streaming services.
The best way to do that is with a Tablo device. That's what I use.
Tablo lets you plug an antenna into your wireless router, and then you can add the Tablo app to your Roku player, your phone, your tablet, whathaveyou, and you can watch broadcast television however you want.
Tablo sells a subscription service, but I don't use it. It gives you a TV guide that's good for 24 hours ahead of wherever you are, and that's more than enough for me.
I bought a reburnished version straight from Tablo.
https://us-store.tablotv.com/collections/frontpage-1/products/refurbished-tablo-dual-lite-over-the-air-dvr
You'll also need to buy a cheap antenna and a cheap USB hard drive, but you'll never need to pay for local broadcasts to watch football (or whatever) ever again.
Make sure you can get all the channels you want from your house at this website before you buy anything.
https://www.channelmaster.com/pages/free-tv-channels
That site shows you what broadcast channels should be available in your zip code and what antenna you should probably buy.
Unfortunately, I’ve already done the research at that page and other similar ones, and without taking the actual topography of where my house is, I’d still only reliably get two channels after spending the money for a good outdoor antenna and an amplifier.
Then there’s the fact that I live in a very hilly, wooded area, so I might not even get that.
That sucks.
The tranquility makes up for it.
Why not just plug the antenna into your TV? That's what I do.
^ Yup.
I don't want to do it for three TVs, and I want to be able to watch live broadcast television on tablets, phones, and laptops, too--even when I'm not at home. With Tablo, I can do all of that.
OK—you live in a different world than I do.
"Fox News delivered an average prime time audience of 2.578 million viewers in November, followed by MSNBC (1.091 million total viewers) and CNN (654,000 viewers)."
If you needed to assume one of the following two narratives, by way of explanation, which one seems more plausible?
1) Chris Wallace is leaving Fox News because of turmoil within Fox News--despite the fact that Fox News draws four times as many viewers as CNN.
2) CNN+ is bringing in Chris Wallace to get themselves some credibility--because they're drawing a quarter of Fox News' audience.
The first narrative is a progressive fantasy about what's happening at Fox.
The second narrative is based on market data and the streaming launch of CNN+.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/12/01/fox-news-easily-wins-november-cable-news-ratings-as-all-networks-see-steep-declines/?
Sarcasmic owes me 20 bucks. He said you'd call wallace a traitor. Doubt that piece of shit pays up.
Soave often has trouble registering the relative importance of things. Anyone who reads Soave and assumes his premises are solid is bound to embarrass themselves. You might say Soave has a problem keeping things in proportion.
It's possible that the reason someone broke up with his girlfriend is because she forgot his birthday, but if she also stabbed him in the neck with a knife, that's probably the bigger reason. Sometimes Soave doesn't seem to grok the difference.
You mean the same Soave that was hoping Republicans all partied down when COVID first spread, but didn't realize that almost none of them would have any real impact on their lives?
The only two shows on Fox News I routinely watch are Tucker Carlson at 8PM and Greg Gutfeld at 11PM.
Since most Fox News reporters and commentators (including Carlson) are Christian Conservatives who vehemently oppose abortion or are liberals, my default TV news channel is the more libertarian Fox Business News.
Fox Business is much better. I generally just watch Mornings with Maria, then catch a little Varney on the radio if I'm out and about. I'll catch a little of the afternoon shows on my way to a 3P lunch, but don't watch much otherwise. About the only time I ever watch Fox News is on Saturday AM because there isn't a live show on Fox Business.
Gutfeld's success is freaking everybody out.
He's beating late night talk shows with celebrity guests at 11 pm!
"Gutfeld averaged 2 million viewers over last week — when he took his NYC show on the road to Nashville — making his the second-highest-rated late-night show, topping NBC’s “The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon” — who got an average of 1.5 million — and “ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live” at 1.4 million.
https://pagesix.com/2021/10/07/fox-news-greg-gutfeld-climbs-to-no-2-in-late-night-tv-wars/
Beating late night talk shows without celebrities shouldn't be possible. It shouldn't be surprising to find that there's a massive audience out there that's being under-served with woke fare, but it is surprising that they'd rather watch Gutfeld than celebrity interviews in late night. It's absurd.
Gutfeld is kicking all of Hollywood's ass with nothing but Kat Timpf, Tyrus, and some Fox personality or Joe Machi. This wouldn't be possible if Hollywood wasn't dramatically under-serving the market--and force feeding us woke shit. Eventually, it hurts your bottom line.
Come on man, Tyrus is a celebrity!
He's not the starlet of the week. He doesn't have a big movie to promote.
He looks like Thanos.
Plus people don't much like celebrities anymore, even if they like their movies or music.
What about Angry White Man Tom Shallue? AKA crazy old Joe.
I think it can be a bit of both. You make a persuasive case for CNN's motivation, but that doesn't explain why Chris Wallace would essentially take a demotion- moving from host of one of the highest rated Sunday News shows to a streaming service on a network that is about to go through a bunch of shake ups.
Chris Wallace burned a lot of bridges at Fox. He was openly snapping at reporters who didn't report things he liked. He also didn't like Trump- that was obvious. And he, like Goldberg, is more of the type of guy who would say, "Let the adults run the GOP, sweety. You just vote for whomever we decide, k?"
So while I agree with your analysis on CNN, it is also likely that Wallace was becoming unpopular at Fox, and his ratings certainly were showing a decline as well. CNN was the logical place for him to go, but the fact that he left FOX network news for a proto-streaming service indicates that his options were also likely limited.
That's my first thought, not mutually exclusive. Though I'd also leave room for a guy wanted to try something a little different at the end of their career. Also and this goes to Ken's #2, never exclude that this is just about money; CNN+ maybe just throwing ridiculous money at him and since this may very well be his last contract, it never hurts to add to the nest egg.
"The Fox TV broadcast of Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace averaged 1.27 million total viewers and 335,000 adults 25-54 during the 2020-’21 season. That’s -11% in total viewers and -17% among adults 25-54 from what the show averaged in 2019-’20."
https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/here-are-sunday-show-ratings-for-the-2020-21-tv-season/489644/
He's lost double-digit viewers over the past year. You're right, his options were likely extremely limited, and this is an attempt to brand himself as a "fair and balanced very serious journalist," when it's really just taking the best of what was probably a few not-great offers.
And to be fair, the entire industry has been wrecked by Trump's disappearance. It is why they want to mention his name every time then can find him.
I would also point to Fox starting to stream Fox's primetimes shows, like Tucker Carlson, on Fox Nation. It used to be that he was doing different shows so as not to alienate the cable companies who are paying carriage fees to broadcast Tucker Carlson's show live. Now, they've decided to start broadcasting Tucker Carlson's show on Fox Nation--after it's broadcast in the local market. So, you won't see it live on Fox Nation. You'll see it just after it's been broadcast.
The point is that the streaming app is the future. They'll sell millions more Roku and Fire TV devices over the holidays this year, millions more TVs to replace old ones, and the cable subscriptions will keep dropping. Cable news is a buggy whip manufacturer. The last one standing will do a great job of making something that hardly anyone uses anymore.
I find Roku to be better. Even my 84 year old father was able to run it I have several fire devices that failed
Also, because Roku is a relatively neutral platform, we're likely to see all the various competitors offer their apps on that platform. I can watch Amazon Prime Video, Apple+, and YouTube on Roku, but I don't know that we'll ever or always be able to watch Prime Video on Apple+, Apple+ on Chromecast, or YouTube on Amazon Prime Video.
You right about cable dying and no doubt a portion of Wallace's rating slump is due to that. But Fox News has been performing well above the other cable news networks, while Wallace has been slumping despite Fox holding on to higher viewership numbers than any other network. Wallace isn't selling at Fox, and they know who their audience is and what they can make money on. I doubt Wallace will do much better at CNN+, especially since CNN has become such a partisan clown show. He may bring his viewers with him, but I'm sure he's going to lose a steady stream of them once he gets on CNN's payroll and starts delivering CNN programming.
Part of that is because Wallace's Sunday morning show wasn't on every night in prime time.
but that doesn't explain why Chris Wallace would essentially take a demotion-
$$$$
"You make a persuasive case for CNN's motivation, but that doesn't explain why Chris Wallace would essentially take a demotion- moving from host of one of the highest rated Sunday News shows to a streaming service on a network that is about to go through a bunch of shake ups."
Cable news is dying because of the streaming revolution. The people on cable news are the ones that will be left behind. Chris Wallace is moving to the place where things will be in the future.
Think of it this way. Tucker Carlson is on Fox Nation--I'm sure he doesn't want to be left behind on cable. And Chris Wallace will now be on par with Tucker Carlson. People who don't subscribe to cable will be able to subscribe to CNN+.
Cable news has the future of dial up internet access. When people stop subscribing to cable, you can't charge them to have CNN on their channel selection every month, whether they watch CNN or not--and people are leaving cable in droves.
One of the reasons CNN's audience is so small is because people aren't subscribing to cable anymore. Chris Wallace is going where the audience is headed. This is an upgrade for him.
P.S. FWIW, I don't subscribe to any live broadcast packages anymore--not even the streaming cable replacement packages. I've found that I can watch everything I want to watch through a specific service. If I want to watch Discovery, HGTV, Magnolia, etc. I subscribe to Discovery+, and when the season of a show I like is over, I cancel the subscription. Tablo lets me plug a TV antenna into my router, so I can watch live broadcast television on my Roku player. I subscribe to mlb dotcom or NHL Center Ice for baseball and hockey.
I see all the live broadcasts I want to see, but I don't subscribe to them. I bought the current season of Yellowstone through Amazon Prime. I think it was $15. You get each episode as they air. I pay a fraction of what I used to, and I miss nothing--except the disgust I used to feel at being billed to have CNN, Fox, and MSNBC on my dial despite never watching them.
This is the future of television, and leftwing fare like CNN can't survive in that environment. CNN was making money by charging carrier fees to cable operators to have that channel on your dial--and they also charged the people who never watched the channel. As the left wing news organizations move to a market where people no longer subscribe to cable packages, they'll be more incentivized to create news that people on both ends of the political spectrum will pay for deliberately.
Only a small fraction of the people out there will pay $5 a month for CNN+ right now. They can't increase their market share by staying further to the left than their audience, especially when progressive news market is already oversaturated with competitors. There are a handful of more progressives networks than CNN+ right now. Why compete with them, when they can hire someone like Chris Wallace and go for the moderate viewers?
Would you pay for Chris Wallace programming? Do you know anyone that would?
I wouldn't watch Chris Wallace on TV back when I subscribed to cable, and I wouldn't subscribe to CNN+ just because of Chris Wallace now. If CNN+ were about as objective as CNN was circa 1990, I might be willing to pay $5 a month for it, and bringing in perspectives that aren't woke and progressive--like Chris Wallace-- is a step in that direction. They're not changing everything at once. They don't want to completely alienate the viewers they already have. And CNN won't improve over night. But it looks like they are getting ready to pitch themselves to the middle rather than be hard left and pretend that's the middle. And it's easy to see why--they're getting killed in the ratings.
Any moderate that left CNN isn’t coming back. And if they don’t Young Turks it, they’ll lose some of the few woke viewers they have. There are other, better outlets. It isn't like the local sports team.
"If you needed to assume one of the following two narratives..."
Why would I need to assume any knowledge of what is going on internally at a television network? What's wrong with your just saying, "I'm not in on the internal meetings. I don't know."
It’s a response to Robbie’s assumption dumbfuck.
CNN+ is not a way to restore journalistic integrity to CNN.
It's a way to monetize their cheerleaders on the left.
I maintain that getting rid of Cuomo and bringing in Chris Wallace is consistent with the CEO of Discovery taking over CNN when WarnerMedia is spun off to merge with Discovery in the coming months--and, yeah, I expect the CEO of Discovery to primarily be about monetizing CNN.
When AT&T owned WarnerMedia, they were really focused, primarily, on monetizing their media assets. They thought having content they could sell to their phone subscribers was a good thing. Discovery, on the other hand, is primarily about monetizing content. They aren't a wireless company. They're a content company that has been on the forefront of the streaming revolution.
Fox Nation has been available to streamers since 2018. CNN is just NOW getting around to offering a competing service?! That's lame, but that's what you'd expect from a unrelated conglomerate running a news business. GE used to own NBC for reasons that weren't related to its core business, too. There's a certain value to having a news organization to help insulate your business from criticism.
"When AT&T owned WarnerMedia, they were [NOT] really focused, primarily, on monetizing their media assets."
----Ken Shultz
Fixed!
You're sitting on a pile of T stock just like me. Aren't you. 😉
This earned Wallace considerable ire from the MAGA wing of the GOP, and the tone of his coverage was increasingly out of step with Fox's openly opinionated—and relentlessly pro-Trump—evening hosts.
No, it's called being unbiased. Like Ken.
You are the 2nd to last person I would ask for an assessment of unbiased. Mike being the last.
Yep.
What is queen chopped liver?
NPC
Yep yep. Paid troll.
Also.
sarcasmic
December.12.2021 at 2:17 pm
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Chris Wallace is leaving FOX and going to CNN.
I'll bet $20 that Ken will call him a traitor or worse.
Pay up shit bag.
Will you accept 400 empty Beast Ice cans ($20 worth of redeemables)?
It's strange to assert Wallace - a Democrat - is just as tough on Reps and Dems but follow it up only with examples of his toughness on Reps as if that's the question. Where is there an example of his being tough on a Dem?
Not during a debate. And not to help trumps claims when he couldn't think of something.
The context was FOX News which fawns over Republicans, practically stroking their cocks under the desk. So any toughness on Republicans by Wallace is more than they'll get from anyone else on the network.
Not a leftist guys! Only ideas!
The rest of the media ran a six year disinformation campaign to attack Trump and protect Biden, but Fox is partisan?
I love this comparison. Fox is now evolving into the one-sided monolith that every left wing news organization has been for decades, but Fox has also been uniquely horrible all this time even though it was the only network with any cross-team representation.
Tu quoque is a logical fallacy that attempts to counter an accusation of unethical behavior by pointing out that other people--and perhaps the accuser herself--can be accused of that behavior.
Pointing out that you do not apply your standard to your allies demonstrates the standard is not appropriate. If you believed it appropriate you would not protect left-media from the same scrutiny. Your defense of the left media shows you are just attacking your enemies while protecting your allies.
In fact we see what we've always known, that while Fox has the same sorts of biases as any media the leftist mythology that it is uniquely bad is false by any objective measure.
So you consider logical fallacies to be compelling arguments. I believe the technical term for someone like that is bonehead.
As far as me defending the left, please provide a quote or stick your accusation up your ass.
Just mute him since he pointed out you were being the usual hypocrite.
So you consider logical fallacies to be compelling arguments.
It's clear you don't even understand what this means. The tu quoque fallacy applies to someone claiming the original target is not "guilty", whereas my point is "so what?".
As far as me defending the left, please provide a quote
I've repeatedly pointed out your refusal to apply to the left the same standards you apply to the right. You deflect and whine but these emphasize your refusal to adopt a consistent standard. This is because your only goal is attacking the right and other commenters (as you've admitted).
What standards are we talking about here? I'm consistently critical of the left. I'm disappointed with the right because they used to stand for something, and now they're no different than the people they hate.
Cite?
What standards are we talking about here?
You claim to believe one-sided media is a problem for Fox. But while Fox is not 50-50 they at least have some representation from the "opposite" team. The left-media has none.
Meanwhile as pointed out Wallace routinely criticized Reps and as Wallace himself stated Fox never tried to influence his guests or positions. If you believed one-sided media is a problem you would direct the majority of such criticism to the left. Instead you defend the left media by trying to delegitimize criticism of them.
I'm consistently critical of the left.
Your only criticism of the left is when you're trying to prove you aren't in the tank for them. Pretending to be independent is a common tactical ploy people use imply their attacks on the right are objective rather than partisan.
now they're no different than the people they hate.
Stupidly wrong as the objective analysis shows. That's why you try to dismiss other evidence so you can persist in this sloppy but self-reverential conclusion.
You claim to believe one-sided media is a problem for Fox. But while Fox is not 50-50 they at least have some representation from the "opposite" team. The left-media has none.
Did I say or imply that the rest of the media doesn't lean heavily left? No. Why? Because they lean heavily left. You're putting words into my mouth.
Your only criticism of the left is when you're trying to prove you aren't in the tank for them.
Then you haven't been paying attention.
Pretending to be independent is a common tactical ploy people use imply their attacks on the right are objective rather than partisan.
Well I'm not partisan. Though I've found that partisans take any criticism of their side to be proof that the person doing the criticism is a member of the other team.
It's like trying to tell a Christian that as an atheist I simply have no faith. They will say "That means you believe in this or that!" No, it means I don't believe. But they can't comprehend a lack of faith anymore than a partisan can comprehend not being on a team.
Stupidly wrong as the objective analysis shows.
Talk about missing the point.
That's why you try to dismiss other evidence so you can persist in this sloppy but self-reverential conclusion.
Spoken like a true partisan who can't comprehend someone not being on a team.
Well I'm not partisan.
It's amusing you persist even though everyone can tell.
Spoken like a true partisan who can't comprehend someone not being on a team.
Maybe someday you'll stumble and accidentally post one single accurate comment.
Talk about missing the point.
I posted clear facts supporting my position. Sarc resorts to distractions because the facts don't support him.
I asked sarc for 2 months before he muted me for one single time he criticized the left. He could not find one. Finally he made a single semi criticism of him saying he doesn't like biden, then went back to attacking the GOP solely.
He lies constantly about his behaviors.
It's amusing you persist even though everyone can tell.
If by "everyone" you mean "partisans who can't comprehend anyone not being on a team" then you are correct.
There are a few non-partisans in the comments who know what I'm talking about.
There are a few non-partisans in the comments
There are, they just aren't you or the people you pretend they are.
"There are a few non-partisans in the comments"
Yep: Overt, Zeb, and often Cyto
A lot of others are strongly freedom-focused but do lean right: mad.casual, dillinger, ken, and a lot of others (I apologize to all I left off, I know there is a lot of you heathens in this den of iniquity)
You three leftist fucktards: sarc, mike, and jeff can fuck right off
Threadshitters: mollyG, stroodle, and the squirrel can fuck off twice
#OBL is a national treasure.
#Fist would kick chumby's ass in a mud-wresting match
You mean jeff and white Mike who pull the same biased rhetoric? And have been called put the same?
Anyway, you don't have a quote. You have me saying something about the right and not saying something about the left. Which means this defense of the left only happens in your head.
Keep arguing with the voices in your head. When you want to take me on try with things I actually said, instead of making shit up like the trolls I have on mute.
MUTE HIS ASS!
You don't have a quote of you being critical to the left either. Can you mute yourself?
you don't have a quote.
The quote is your comments, everyone sees them.
like the trolls I have on mute.
It's amusing you criticize trolls even though you've admitted to being one.
Like I said, you have no quote because no such quote exists.
My support for the left only exists in the minds of people who honestly believe that any criticism of their team equals support for the other team, even if no support is actually voiced.
It's all in your head, dude. All in your head.
My support for the left only exists in the minds of people who honestly believe that any criticism of their team equals support for the other team,
If this were true you would have accepted my comments about the left which are so true you won't openly dispute them. But because your primary goal is protecting the left you try to delegitimize them.
ML will be along shortly to post your quote of you admitting you troll Sarc.
If this were true you would have accepted my comments about the left which are so true you won't openly dispute them.
I have no idea of what you are talking about.
But because your primary goal is protecting the left you try to delegitimize them.
My primary goal? I didn't know I had one.
Again, this is all in your head. My failure to say something doesn't mean that whatever you imagine I would have said is true. It just means you have an active imagination. Which isn't bad. Until you can't distinguish it from reality.
Marshal, you're getting close to joining JesseAz in the land of the Sarcastrated. That's what happens when people continually accuse me of things I never said nor did, and call me a liar when I try to set the record straight.
If that's what you want, that's fine. I'm sure he'll welcome the company.
He has a name for his list!
“My primary goal? I didn't know I had one.”
Well that’s interesting.
you're getting close to joining JesseAz in the land of the Sarcastrated.
I'm sure this matters greatly to you. To normals though it's an example of left wing privilege. This is when leftists engage in the behavior they complain about in others in the apparent belief their leftism proves their good standing ipso facto and thus no behavioral standard applies to themselves. Because leftists control the classrooms and media and acts this way leftists have internalized and apply the double standard without seeming to recognize it.
Another example would be yourself whining about commenters getting personal but childishly referencing sex with a commenter's mother.
I'm sure this matters greatly to you.
No, not really. Out of sight, out of mind.
The rest of your post is a word salad. Sober up.
Marshal, you're trying to hold an honest debate with one of the comment section's biggest trolls.
He's bragged about it often:
sarcasmic
August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm
I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is my circus.
sarcasmic
September.10.2021 at 12:14 pm
I like to stir shit up. So what.
you're trying to hold an honest debate
Not really. I'm more mocking his preening self-righteousness.
Sarc the hypocrite said the reason he muted me was calling him drunk. Here he tells Marshal to sober up.
I've repeatedly pointed out your refusal to apply to the left the same standards you apply to the right.
No, Marshal, what happens is that if someone criticizes Team Red, but only Team Red, you and your ilk here think that this constitutes "endorsement of Team Blue".
It is Rule #2 of Right-Wing Reason:
Any criticism of Team Red must be accompanied by an equal if not greater criticism of Team Blue.
(Rule #1 is: It's Always Team Blue's Fault)
It is not our fault that you only see the world in binary tribal fashion. Criticism of Team Blue does not in any way mean support of Team Red, just as criticism of Team Red does not in any way mean support of Team Blue.
And what do you call those who attack the left jeff? You call them right wingers and cultists.
Whats weird is you can find criticisms of those you call cultists within the last few weeks such as with the debt ceiling and infrastructure votes.
Yet you and the other leftists never do so of the left.
A more intelligent person than you would note the non-team approach lays criticism where it is deserved to each side. Your policy of attacking only Team Red while deflecting deserved criticism from Team Blue is not a no-team approach.
When was the last time you criticized Team Red?
When was the last time you praised Team Red or criticized Team Davos, sarcasmook?
When was the last time you criticized Team Red?
Marshal
December.13.2021 at 12:50 pm
while Fox is not 50-50
So, 2 hours. But it's interesting you demand this even as you dent it is meaningful of yourself.
Left wing privilege means standards for others, but never for yourself.
Are you going to claim you're fucking someone's mother again? Bonus points if you do it right after whining about other people getting personal.
But that is not really true. Their editorial content is over in Maddow territory (except competent), but the news? Well, it isn't the same as it was in the era of Tony Snow, but it is still the least biased national news. For their first 20 years they were consistently the least biased news source, even as they had right wing editorial content from guys like O'Reilly.
I would say the news department is more Republican-establishment leaning than conservative ideological bias, like their editorial content.
Well, it isn't the same as it was in the era of Tony Snow, but it is still the least biased national news.
Here is the top story on foxnews.com right now:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/school-board-conservatives-censure-attempts
It is oozing with bias. It is completely one-sided and frames the story as one would expect, poor conservatives being victimized over their views.
"It is completely one-sided and frames the story as one would expect, poor conservatives being victimized over their views."
Shorter Jeff: I don't like how uncomfotable this makes me, so I am going to say it is biased.
It’s pretty funny Jeff uses this example after spending months assuring us there is no CRT in schools, but has refused several attempts to get him to respond to this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1465752991827382272
If he hasn’t muted you, maybe you could get him to respond?
"We are not going to discuss the merits of the censure resolutions that are currently the subject of litigation," Weir told Fox News.
Well they reached out for comment from the other side and were "no commented", so its hard to present another side when they refuse to give it. Should they refuse to run a story because the other side "no comments"?
And in fact, they provided a very clear defense directly quoted from another one of the board members. So I am having a hard time seeing which part is specifically biased.
Lead board members: No Comment
Another Board Member: Yeah I've been trying to censure them since July. And the resolution to censure was subject to some procedural changes, so it might not of actually happened.
This is only biased if you think that pointing out a local story about liberals trying to censure conservatives ought not be national news.
It's biased to the people stupid enough to get their news from headlines and not actually read the articles. I can't speak to whether or not that applies to any of the commenters on here.
Well, let's just start with the fact that this story is the top news story right now at foxnews.com. I find it hard to believe that this story is so newsworthy that it deserves the top spot at a national news network. It does however play into the right-wing narrative of poor conservatives victimized by school boards. Their choice to highlight this article is absolutely the first and most obvious sign of bias.
Then the headline: "Texas school board tries censuring conservative members". It is implied that they are being censured for being conservative. But it turns out that's not true. The attempted censure has nothing to do with their conservative ideology. They walked out in protest at a school board meeting in September that was attended by a bunch of angry parents because they objected to the rest of the board's desire not to turn the meeting into a circus.
More from the article:
Cory Vessa, one of the trustees Bone and Weston sued, told Fox News she "asked for censure back at the end of July."
She said Bone and Weston engaged in "disrespectful, unprofessional and bullying behavior, especially towards me, and especially in closed session, for many months." She did not elaborate on this behavior.
Oh, so it seems like there is some backstory here. But did this reporter try to find it? Of course not.
Here is part of the story that you're not getting from this Fox News article:
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/10/27/nov-hearing-address-order-against-censure-round-rock-trustees/8554996002/
Both Bone and Weston had disrupted a Sept. 14 board meeting, according to the resolutions, by repeatedly insisting on calling for a vote on spacing rules for the meeting even though the matter was not on the agenda.
There were only 21 seats available for the public at the Sept. 14 meeting because of spacing due to concerns about COVID-19, a district spokeswoman has said. There also was a nearby overflow room for the public to watch the meeting remotely. Several people angry about the seating restrictions pounded on the boardroom door, insisting to be let in during the meeting.
Bone and Weston both repeatedly demanded that the board vote to allow more people in during the Sept.14 meeting. After the board voted against it, Bone and Weston left the meeting.
Oh, so Bone and Weston had a hand in attempting to disrupt the Sept. 14 board meeting by demanding votes that weren't permitted. Hmm. Why wasn't this in the Fox News article?
So once again this is a story of right-wingers acting like jerks, and then when they are called out on their jerkish behavior, immediately cry and play the victim and say "they are punishing me for my conservative views!" No, it's not about conservative views, it's about the jerkish behavior. But the narrative plays very well to right-wing audiences who wish to be continually told that they are the victims.
Why is it being the top story so biased towards you? Democrats have a current active history of censoring the public as well as minority members of government. How is this not a big deal to someone that claims to be neutral? They are also going against 2 parents at the event while disallowing the vast majority of parents to even address them at the meeting, very much 1A violations.
But you're okay with that.
Yo'ure not a libertarian.
There were only 21 seats available for the public at the Sept. 14 meeting because of spacing due to concerns about COVID-19
IN AN AUDITORIUM dummy.
1) "Well, let's just start with the fact that this story is the top news story right now at foxnews.com"
Clearly you don't understand how Fox News' news scroll works. As new stuff is published, it goes through that feed, with newer stories popping to the top and then being pushed down through the day. Their current top news item is about the Tornados in Kentucky.
2) "I find it hard to believe that this story is so newsworthy that it deserves the top spot at a national news network."
So you just don't like the fact that across the country we are seeing a massive backlash against school boards. Whose bias are we critiquing here? It is a news story that has even been discussed on Reason. Is *reason* biased because Welsh and others have made Virginia and New York school board politics a part of their national articles?
3) "Then the headline: "Texas school board tries censuring conservative members""
Man, you are really stretching. The sub-heading to the headline is: "Resolutions focus on conservatives' complaints about school district preventing some of the public from entering meeting"
It literally giving the context you object to in THE FIRST LINE OF THE ARTICLE.
4) "they objected to the rest of the board's desire not to turn the meeting into a circus."
Jeff, give me a fucking break. You labeling people yelling at a meeting as being a circus says more about your bias than anybody else's.
5) "Here is part of the story that you're not getting from this Fox News article:"
WTF are you talking about? The spacing information is specifically brought up in the Fox news article:
"The censure resolutions mostly focused on the Sept. 14 board meeting. Before the meeting, the school board had set up 18 chairs in the large auditorium, severely restricting the available seating."
The fact that it was due to COVID, was information provided to the Statesman by a spokesperson- spokespeople who wouldn't comment when called by Fox News.
Nevertheless, whether it was justified due to COVID or not, Fox News was clear that the seating capacity was the bone of contention among parents and the two board members, so your complaint to the contrary is just plain wrong.
"Oh, so Bone and Weston had a hand in attempting to disrupt the Sept. 14 board meeting by demanding votes that weren't permitted."
That is not at all clear. That is the claim of the people pushing the Censure. The people who would not comment to Fox News.
“….disrespectful, unprofessional and bullying behavior, especially toward me…”
Wait, who’s the whining victim again, Jeff? Oh right, conservatives. Haha.
So the obvious bias here is threefold:
(1) Their choice to highlight this story as their top national story
(2) Their choice to frame this story in terms of the right-wing narrative of "conservatives victimized because of their views"
(3) Their complete lack of reporting at all on the events leading up to the censure resolution. The author here basically just transcribed the two board members' opinions and called that the article.
It is what Fox News has become and it is just sad, really.
1) Not bias, their algorithm puts stories getting passed around higher
2) How were they not being victimized? They literally have a censure vote against them to basically remove them from committee based on false allegations. Along with proof of the democrats actively searching for ways to do so before an action was given.
3) What did they miss exactly dummy?
You are an idiot jeff. Let us never forget. Please keep protecting government from being accountable to both parents and to the minority party members.
Jeff, what do you think is biased about that story?
The 2 members are being censured under laws regarding disruptions to meetings. They have the entire meeting on video where they did not disrupt at the time they were there.
Are you actually defending a school board only allowing 18 public parents for a 50k student district to attend a good thing?
You are really really stupid jeff.
That comes across as of interest to GOP viewers, though perhaps it is right-leaning bias. Your dislike of it is your bias.
I agree with you that Fox News used to actually try to be "fair and balanced". That was 20 years ago though. Now, Fox News really is right-wing propaganda.
You're a leftist. You think MSNBC is right wing propaganda.
I mean your most common link here is Daily Beast. Followed by The Atlantic and DailyKOS.
Don't forget The Root, which is the black version of the Daily Stormer.
...but no concerns that the entirety of the rest of the media seem to have a problem with nobody opposing Biden? In fact, having Biden asking them to be nicer on the economy and CNN going along with it?
Tu quoque is a logical fallacy that attempts to counter an accusation of unethical behavior by pointing out that other people--and perhaps the accuser herself--can be accused of that behavior.
What was the article titled?
"Chris Wallace's Departure From Fox News Is a Blow to Unbiased Commentary"
...but no concerns that the entirety of the rest of the media seem to have a problem with nobody opposing Biden? In fact, having Biden asking them to be nicer on the economy and CNN going along with it?
But what about them? What about what they do? Huh? Look at them! Look at what they do!
That's tu quoque, by definition.
Again, if the firing of Wallace is a blow to unbiased commentary, might be useful to demonstrate that it exists in the first place.
And you've resorted to the fallacy of not responding by merely listing a fallacy. Fallacies are not always wrong in argumentation. Pointing out you're a hypocrite in order to prove you are a hypocrite is not tu quoque, it is a commentary on you being a hypocrite.
In a discussion on bias, showing someone is being biased when they only attack one side does not become a fallacy when you show them defend or ignore the other side.
Ad hominem—You're wrong because you're a poopy-face.
Tu quoque—You're wrong because you're poopy-face TOO.
Just him being on fox implies he is tough on dems.
No examples needed.
Seriously, when Republicans get on FOX News it reminds me of that scene in one of the Police Academy movies where the woman was hiding in the podium...
Which show. Give an example. Fox pushes back in many shows. And why have you never shown the same ire for msnbc, cnn, etc.
Weird.
And by the way. Many opinion hosts on fox are conservative. They will agree with views. But even Hannity pushes back on gop that show up on his show. It isnt adoration dumbass. It is policy agreement.
He fantasies about being the chick in the podium.
Rove disbelieves Obama's win in 2012 on Fox and basically is persona non grata.
Maddow nearly bursts into tears when Russiagate is shown to be false and she is...still employed.
Weird.
I am glad that ONLY Fox is "propaganda" given how many times you've mentioned it and the lack of any times discussing the other networks.
That mean that I think this and said that and do this and want that and all sorts of other things woo hoo it's an insight into my mind all because I didn't discuss other networks!
Just odd that you're noted even-handed critiques so precisely one way.
^
Robby just can't lie (even though he wants and tries to).
Reason writers do this a lot. Must be in their training manuals.
• So far, the omicron variant seems perfectly capable of infecting the vaccinated, but the disease has not been severe.
In fact, new CDC data found natural immunity among Americans formerly infected with covid was/is 5 - 10 times more effective at preventing future covid infections than were/are covid vaccines, which are nearly twice as effective as covid booster shots.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-covid-19-cases-in-u-s-mostly-mild-so-far-cdc-data-show-11639163980?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1
"Out of 43 cases identified between Dec. 1 and Dec. 8, nearly 80% of the people infected with Omicron were fully vaccinated, according to CDC data, and one-third had received a booster shot. Fourteen percent of the people had a previous Covid-19 infection."
Since 60% of Americans are fully vaccinated, but account for 80% of those infected with omicron, covid vaccines are not very effective at preventing omicron infections.
And since 16% of Americans have received a covid booster, but account for 30% of omicron infections, the new booster shots are only about half as effective as the full doses of the vaccines were.
But since 60% - 75% of Americans have already been infected with covid, while accounting for just 15% of those infected with omicron, natural immunity is far more protective (than vaccines and booster shots) at preventing omicron infections.
But of course, neither Soave, the article he cited, or event the Wall Street Journal article cited above, revealed that critically important fact (that Fauci, CDC, Democrats and left wing media propagandists have denied and lied about for the past 21 months in order to advocate and impose unscientific, ineffective and disastrous lockdowns, mask mandates and vaccine mandates).
Natural immunity don’t pay the bills.
Natural immunity will ALWAYS be better than a 'vaccine' that only targets one aspect of a virus. You immune system makes antibodies against many different aspects of a virus, so it has multiple lines of attack. These 'vaccines' only go after the spike.
It's like getting in a fight and your only move is kicking the other guy in the groin whereas he is wielding an axe against any part of you.
Something weird about our "free press"....
Project Veritas was one of several news organizations approached with Ashley Biden's diary. They declined to publish because they could not verify that it was real.
Then the FBI obtained a warrant to raid Project Veritas because they had obtained a stolen diary from the president's daughter.
That would seem to be confirmation.
More confirmation than the " briefing" Comey and Brennan gave Trump about the Steele Dossier.
Yet nobody is reporting on it.
And unlike the Steele Dossier, this thing is rumored to have contents that go beyond prurient and into criminal conduct by the President.
So why the continued silent treatment? You guys suddenly value "unbiased" reporting and Commentary, how in the world is this not a top story? By sending the FBI to "investigate" a theft, the government has confirmed that the diary is the property of Ashley Biden. A judge has confirmed that there is probable cause to believe that a theft has occurred by signing a search warrant.
Why do I know the provably false allegations from the Steele dossier, but nothing of the diary?
Everyone had the sads when Trump called Jim Acosta bad names. It was a DIRECT ASSAULT ON THE FREE PRESS AND THE END OF DEMOCRACY.
But raiding a journalist's home and seizing all his electronics which contain information about his sources and planned stories, as well as leaking said information to the NYT, who then published privileged attorney-client correspondence is just a local story.
No. It is a blow *for* unbiased commentary.
Wallace was held forth as a "moderate" and "unbiased," but, and *unbiased*, objective review of his broadcasts and commentary reveal anything but those attributes.
Wallace, in his, and sometime's Fox News', quest to be "unbiased" consistently challenged and dismissed valid conservative positions and arguments, while giving a free pass to leftist activists spinning stories of hatred and history totally unsupported by facts.
Good riddance.
When you leave the single most prestigious spot on cable news, you didn't leave. You were fired.
Or the most prestigious spot on any network; ask Cuomo.
If you have to be reliably pro-Trump to work at Fox and reliably anti-Trump to work anywhere else,
Wait, are you implying that Don Lemon, Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, Joe Scarborough, George Stephanopoulos, Andrea Mitchell and Lester Holt might not be Trump supporters?
right down the middle of the road, calling the truth as they see it
"...the tone of his coverage was increasingly out of step with Fox's openly opinionated—and relentlessly pro-Trump—evening hosts."
So, he's a natch for CNN!
What Wallace did—ask tough questions of Republicans on a Republican-leaning channel—is increasingly rare, at least on television.
That's sort of a lame apologia for Wallace. I don't think conservatives were upset at Wallace asking tough questions of Donald Trump, so much as asking tough questions of Donald Trump and giving Joe Biden softballs. If a reporter's questions are:
"Candidate A, when did you stop beating your wife?"
and
"Candidate B, do you sometimes find it hard to be such an awesome intellect and bastion of decency?"
it's not a huge stretch to question whether the loss of that guy is really much of a blow to unbiased commentary.
As to the Carlson series, I see a lot of coverage about how the usual D.C. suspects are aghast and offended by it. But, I really haven't seen much coverage of what it actually got wrong. But, you know, it would be awesome if there were some sort of magazine devoted to libertarian principle that actually followed up on suggestions that our government was holding political prisoners under terms that violated our basic liberties in a free society.
But, I really haven't seen much coverage of what it actually got wrong.
Other than the whole "Jan. 6 was both a false flag and a hoax" part?
Did you watch it?
Out of curiosity.
Jeff did not watch it, and he will not answer this question. Neither would benefit the narrative.
I watched it. Saw more footage of 1/6 there then I've seen on other news channels thus far.
Why wouldn’t the media want to show more, I wonder.
Da Comrade!
Everyone knows
State Securitythe FBI would never infiltrate domestic protest movements. Onlycounterrevolutionariesinsurrectionists would suggest such a thing!https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/patriot-purge-tucker-carlson-documentary/620589/
"The point is to describe the events of January 6 as a false-flag operation cooked up inside the deepest layers of the American deep state—and thus to cast doubt on everything that will come out of Congress’s January 6 hearings, everything revealed by every Washington Post or network-television investigation, everything turned up by the FBI."
So you're saying you didn't watch it.
chemjeff,
You're doing an excellent job of illustrating my point. Thank you. For anyone reading chemjeff's quoted excerpt, where does Applebaum actually refute any of Carlson's reporting? Nope. Just a lot of sneering and contempt. No actual countervailing evidence.
I'm not shocked Anne Applebaum's consistent streak of being wrong continues unabated.
What is YOUR opinion of it?
Still no direct answers to direct questions by Lying Jeffy. Then he wonders why people find him dishonest.
https://www.adn.com/opinions/national-opinions/2021/11/24/i-left-fox-news-after-12-years-tucker-carlsons-patriot-purge-was-the-final-straw/
The sudden part came thanks to Fox host Tucker Carlson’s streaming special “Patriot Purge.” It’s a perfect example of propaganda that weaves half-truths into a whole lie. It insinuates that the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol might have been a “false flag operation,” orchestrated by the FBI or the Deep State. Worse, it suggests the Biden administration is coming for the real patriots — i.e. Trump voters. “The domestic war on terror is here,” says one of the “experts” in “Patriot Purge.” “It’s coming after half of the country.”
Yes, we know what democrats are saying. You seem to only care about their narrative.
More yeoman's work for me from chemjeff! Thanks again! Again, Goldberg provides exactly zero evidence suggesting Carlson's reporting is, in fact, wrong. Only claims about "half-truths" and "insinuations". I'm delighted that chemjeff has come to his senses and is helping me out by showing that the claims about Patriot Purge are as substanceless as I'd argued.
Except for the whole part that it wasn't a false flag operation. You have hundreds of Trump-supporting Jan. 6 rioters admitting in court that they actually broke into the Capitol building. Here is just one:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/guilty-plea-capitol-riot/2021/04/16/f7d5d420-9eb6-11eb-9d05-ae06f4529ece_story.html
In plea papers, Schaffer admitted positioning himself “at the front of a large mob” that broke open doors on the west side of the Capitol about 2:40 p.m., and being one of the first six people to enter. Prosecutors have alleged in separate filings that other Oath Keepers associates conspired to forcibly enter through the west Capitol Rotunda doors at about that time.
He's not Antifa, he's not "the deep state".
Ahh yes, illegal parading. Truly an insurrection. Now, comment on the group that opened the doors. Who were they, why did they leave shortly after? Who were the undercovers the DoJ admits to acknowledge?
Just like the stories about how Republicans initiated the Antifa riots, or Russia's snooping on the DNC, etc.
MSNBC is almost all conspiracy nonsense, Madcow being the worst....wait that's not quite true with Joy Reid and Chris Hayes on the air. It's a 3-way tie!
It was such a violent uprising that the DoJ is being forced to withhold hundreds of hours of video from the media and defense lawyers. The names of FBI/IC agents on the ground must not be revealed!
There were certainly FBI agents there, but they did not provoke the riot - that's a deranged conspiracy.
Just the wannabe kidnappers of That Woman from Michigan who were all legit Trumpers! They were most certainly not feds!
Because this One Bad Thing happened once, therefore, everything that I don't like is evidence again of That One Bad Thing happening again!
Trust the State! Trust the Gov't! Trust your Betters!
Nothing says "Radical individualism" like "BELIEVE THE FBI!!!"
just fucking wow. you are retarded.
And you know this how? Because there are some questions that are still there that can be answered with releasing the video.
I assumed he was being sarcastic.
I got in a Jeff/Sarc back and forth, apologies of i missed his sarcasm.
Or are you denying that this request is still outstanding?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/attorney-asks-court-to-unmask-jan-6-footage-of-suspected-undercover-agents
"Rep. Lauren Boebert (R–Colo.) recently lamented that "365,348 children went missing in 2020."
"In 2020, there were 365,348 reports of missing children according to the FBI"
So it's wrong when a Conservative quotes the FBI? Yes, I know that the majority of those were resolved, but, it sounds like Boebert was accurate in her statement.
Funny how when a Liberal uses these same numbers when referring to "sex trafficking" they are never challenged. I'm well aware that these numbers are skewed. In 2000 a co-worker gained sole custody of his two daughters. When he found them I assisted him in getting them out of the State. For years both girls were listed as "missing" by places like the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They were NOT missing, they were with their parent who had legal custody.
It's a little bit of a stretch to claim that "x went missing" means they went and stayed missing forever. "X children went missing in 2020" is a perfectly valid way to state the number of missing children reports.
Therefore, of the 365,348 missing children (between the age of 0 and 17) reports recorded in 2020, only 30,396 – or about 8% – were still active cases at the end of the year.
Do you know what “were” means?
"Newsom seizes on Texas abortion law tactics to go after assault rifles and ghost guns"
[...]
"Since the Supreme Court has given Texas the green light for its new legal approach that all but bans abortions, Gov. Gavin Newsom says, California will use the same theory to curtail guns — letting private citizens sue people who sell assault rifles and parts for untraceable “ghost guns.”
“SCOTUS is letting private citizens in Texas sue to stop abortion?!,” Newsom tweeted Saturday. “If that’s the precedent then we’ll let Californians sue those who put ghost guns and assault weapons on our streets.”..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/newsom-to-use-texas-abortion-law-tactics-to-go-after-assault-rifle-ghost-gun-makers/ar-AARIZ9O
You'd think that someone his age would have at least heard of the 2nd Amendment, but I'll bet you get a quizzical look if you mention it.
Not to mention civil vs. criminal law, foreseeable consequences, etc.
Ghost gunners can already be sued. They just can't be sued for killing people whom their guns didn't actually kill. Next stop, TX will "let" 3rd parties sue abortion device manufacturers even if their devices have never been used to provide an abortion.
What we really need is a section 230-esque bill, a 1A of lawsuits, that protects Good Samaritans who shoot civilians and murder babies.
What other sort of qualifications does he carry with him? Child molester? Homosexual? Political hack?
At least he chose the correct company, CNN, to move to. He should be much more comfortable with the Pravda outlet than the previous one.
He better watch himself, especially in the men's restroom, especially with Donny boy Lemon....lemon might want to shove his hands down Wallace's pants. If he has any children, he might want to keep them away from John Griffin. Just sayin'
For Vice President Kamala Harris, all news is bad news.
And it really chaps my ass that there's this vast right-wing conspiracy among the mainstream media to unfairly smear Kamala just because she's a strong, confident, competent black woman with an infectious laugh and a casual demeanor while she demonstrates a mastery of a plethora of varied subjects that just oozes charisma. I mean, Jesus Christ, how else could this superstar have sky-rocketed to a prominent position in the Democratic party unless she refused to stay on her knees, laid back and just took it, rather than forging a head with her own positions?
Team Blue have literally reached a state of peak corruption akin to the one that brought the USSR down towards the end. One would think that with all that near-absolute power in their grasp they would be at least as smart as to pick charismatic faces to the front desk.
well done, sir.
I bet the 730,696 parents are grateful Robby found their missing kids.
"
365,348 children went missing in 2020.
You haven't heard a word from the media about it."
Even if one were to assume that the number is accurate, what exactly is her point? That "the media" doesn't care about 365,348 missing children? That they are so evil that they look the other way when hundreds of thousands of children are kidnapped? That seems quite ridiculous. She is just trying to stoke hatred of the media. It's just dumb.
What did you post about Tucker Carlson again just above?
That’s different because Tucker Carlson is right wing. But Jeff’s not a lefty.
Okay Biden, it's clear that Kamala Harris is an albatross around your neck. The solution is to dump her and pick Tulsi Gabbard for 2024. You still get a woman of color for your VP, but she's not nearly as hated. And when you keel over from old age sleepiness, she's someone we could actually live with for the remainder of your term.
He'll have difficulty picking a running mate(ss) from inside his casket.
SleepyJoe has no chance in 2024.
did you ever consider that Biden is his own albatross around his neck?
Sure, Brandybuck, Biden's going to pick the woman his own team deigned a "Russian asset" (a la BadOrangeMan).
I dunno. When he picked Harris, they had to smooth over a lot of things that had been said during the primaries.
no they fucking didn't, you lying cocksucker. they just pretended they were never said. you suck at gas-lighting.
Tulsi is a woman of color? I had no idea. Has she been marketed as such?
She's not of the "right" color, so she is not considered a POC by the intersectionality squad.
I believe she only falls in the Asian/Pacific islander category (unlike harris who also gets black cred), and as such, she earns zero Victim Points on the oppression hierarchy chart.
They consider her "white passing".
Also she has ideas that coincidentally aren't just regurgitated DNC approved talking points, so she couldn't be allowed any Victim Points, you see, you cant offer empathy to those guilty of Wrongthink, it could encourage more Wrongthink.
Had she fallen in line and blurted out the standard woke garbage, the media and DNC would have all of a sudden revered her brave, POC, feminist glory; alas, she dared think on her own and was thus labeled as basically an evil republican, and the classic Hilary insult of "a Russian asset". Hilary is usually spot on about these things so I am sure she was right.
Stop Asian and Pacific Islander hate.
Yellow=white on the victim spectrum.
Harris serving the same role as just about every other VP since time immemorial: make the other side think twice about trying to remove the Prez from office.
I doubt Tulsi would actually be willing to be Biden’s running mate.
We're still pretending Biden will run for re-election?
Are you still pretending Trump will?
Too soon to call. There's a lot of variables.
For that matter, it's too soon to assume there will be an election in 2024.
Trump will what?
All democrats are. They made a public statement about it 2 weeks back
They would never allow Gabbard anywhere near the White House. Don't you remember the 2020 primary?
"There enlies" the actual problem.
FIFY.
Unless you think it's an actual spelling error of there "inlies", rather than a typo of "therein lies".
Hey, you'd better tow the lion!
"I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear"
Bingo Jed had a light on.
I don't think it was a typographical error. I think the Tweeter wasn't familiar with the word "therein".
lol Chris Wallace is so biased he signs autographs "Mike"
"Chris Wallace's Departure From Fox News Is a Blow to Unbiased Commentary"
Only Robbie can call a personality moving from one job to another a "Blow to Unbiased Commentary".
Wallace will still be giving commentary. The only way it can be portrayed as a blow to 'unbiased' commentary is if Robbie is admitting both shows are in fact biased.
The point is the further sorting of media sources. Chris Wallace was one of the most prominent not-yet-sorted bits in the great American partisan culture war.
beneficiary of nepotism hid behind the Faux facade that doesn't exist anymore. no reason for him to leave for CNN other than he lost all credibility w/the Faux audience for his debate "moderation" tactics
Objective? Unbiased? LOL. He's so far left, he makes Shepard Smith sound like a raving right winger.
Wallace, and now Robbie, are garbage:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/10/supercut_president_trump_condemns_white_supremacy.html#!
It amazes me how they got away with doing that despite all the footage to the contrary.
Is Robbie acting as a straight up democrat propagandist here, or is he willfully ignorant of the topic he’s writing about?
As a "professional journalist" it cannot be willful ignorance. Research and source verification are in his job description.
Twitter is a type of source. And he did appear to read CNN slont from Seltzer.
By condemning the canard of white supremacy it was a dog whistle to white supremacists to rise up. Which is exactly what happened in Kenosha.
/s
I am still in utter amazement how reading trump speeches were so different than the narratives around them. See all the narrative of trump calling all border crossers child rapists as an example. Or how they called him saying MS13 were violent animals as being all immigrants.
https://nortonsafe.search.ask.com/search?q=trump+calling+all+border+crossers+child+rapists&page=1&ctype=videos&geo=us&locale=en_us&doi=2018-04-19&o=APN12174&p2=%5EEQ%5Ecd30us%5Enag&qo=navTop
One of the last jump the shark moments with Reason for me was during the daily Covid pressers Trump was doing early on. My wife and I watched it almost every day the first couple weeks.
Almost every morning I’d come to Reason and read ENB’s coverage of the presser, err, I mean ENB’s coverage of people on Twitter’s coverage of the presser, and be amazed at how much was completely wrong about what he’d said.
JesseAz: Thank God Fauci was on the Sunday shows saying while he didn't want to do it, the science may force him into future booster mandates every few months.
FoE: Holy Duality. He is both the Science and the Son of the Science.
Big T: Three persons in one Fauci!
RMac: Don’t forget, also the Holy Ghost of Science.
Sounds like a WWF voiceover for the Fox Bill Nye /Tucker Carlson rematch.
You should ask Wallace to referee.
I watched Chris Wallaces show almost every week. We need communicate across the political divide and Chris did this and did it well. I will continue to watch the program and give the new host a chance. Hopefully they will follow in Wallace's footsteps.
M4E, like most moderates, will be subscribing to CNN’s streaming service.
D+ my guy. To over the top.
You misspelled "assholes".
Now that Wallace will be with CNN he can allow his leftism to be in full flower.
Don't forget the exhibitionism and pedophilia.
He killed his credibility with that horrendous performance in the Presidential debate.
Here's how Los Angeles Unified School District's vaccine mandate is going: 496 employees, as well as 34,000 students, are now in violation.
Become ungovernable.
^^^
*sniff - sniff*
Smells like insurrection to me - - - - - -
C. Wallace is another fraud. His putative objectivity or “ neutrality” when interviewing the latest politician et al was little more than a veiled effort to ensure that the NYTimes and the other leftist parrots said lovely things about him.
He never even reached the level of his daddy, and all the journalistic bravado he flexed won’t change that irritating fact. He belongs on CNN, where failure finds refuge.
"...the students will return to virtual learning."
Don't count on it. Public education is committing suicide. The more parents figure out they can do without it, the more the defections will spread.
“Most of these kids aren’t actually missing.”
Their education, on the other hand….
...the resignations reflect larger tumult within Fox News over Carlson's series Patriot Purge and his increasingly strident stances, and over the network's willingness to let its opinion stars make false, paranoid claims against President Biden, his administration and his supporters.
Revealingly no one in the left media resigned over the Russian Collusion hoax and media cooperation with corrupt administration officials and politicians. Apparently no one on the left dissents from unhinged disinformation campaigns as long as they benefit the left.
And most of the media organizations have yet to issue corrections (let alone apologies!) regarding the Russki hoax, which they perpetrated.
This is the usual stupid both-sidesing of it. CNN is not going to become more leftist-biased because of Wallace joining it. As if that were possible. Fox was the only cable news network that actually had ideological diversity among its employees. So the correct lament is that it leads to Fox becoming more partisan, not CNN.
The silo effect is not the reason Fox caters to the right and CNN to the left. The fact that Fox has been catering to the right with far less than a majority of right wing employees for years is a testament to that.
Maybe you shouldn't call the evening political shows "news."
The partisan echo chamber is a problem for candidates when they finally reach hostile questioning in public. I'm not sure it's a problem for the public that stupid candidates are coddled by their in-the-tank networks. Bringing back the equivalent of CNN's Crossfire certainly would not improve discourse. That might be another Tucker Carlson problem though.
Newsom orders statewide mask mandate. Two thoughts: 1. When everyone wears masks, no one can tell who the real crooks are. 2. Newsom finds that outcome desirable.
For the life of me I can’t figure a connection between those two thoughts. But then, I’m an actual California voter, so I’m a bit slow on the uptake.
https://www.newsbreak.com/n/0dLrvkyp?pd=05vSRvT0&lang=en_US&s=i16
Wallace was a lightweight never asking tough questions..on war, the Fed, deficit spending, woke boshevikism and so on. LIke his old man he was a NYC red diaper type.
As for Goldberg..good riddance. Neocons have the deaths of a hundred thousand on their hands with wars that only promoted foreign interests, Lockmart and Goldman. Please they are not conservatives and certainly not libertarians. Tucker actually discusses the Fed and how deficit spending by DC via money printing has destroyed real America.
Only a woke "meathead" (dead from the neck up) would call anything about Chris Wallace "unbiased".
Wallace was biased as hell. He moderated two of the worst debates in history.
“Wallace has a well-deserved reputation as an objective (???!!! Maybe in the sense of objectively bad) and fierce (Fierce? Maybe when he was talking about his wife‘s soup) interviewer, and was just as tough on Republicans as he was on Democrats”
The issue is the vice versa - Wallace was never as tough on Democrats, communist, authoritarians and rinos as he was to any stripe fiscal Conservatives or laissez-faire Libertarians.
Most likely, Fox fired Wallace; no sane person moves voluntarily from Fox to CNN.
And Fox most likely got rid of Wallace because his commentary was worthless self-aggrandizing hot air that few people wanted to hear.
I have no special animus to Chris Wallace, but this is absolutely true. This isn't even a move to CNN. It is a move to CNN+. It is the sort of hail mary play that hosts do when they can no longer distinguish themselves from the also-rans in their field- essentially like an aging actor or actress moving to independent films looking for that runaway hit.
If eyeballs are his goal, there is no way to view this move as anything but a step backwards.
CNN the channel, has very low ratings.
Who in the hell is going to watch their streaming service?
CNN / MSNBC investing in paid streaming services is hilarious. They are almost completely held up by their contracts with providers, "automatic" watchers (airports, hospitals, lobbies) and ad sales from said auto watchers being sold to braindead boomers. Even with that, they get less eyeballs than a low to mid famous youtube channel.
When they have to start to compete for actual views, where a person is choosing to deliberately pay monthly for streaming, they have literally no chance. It will be a costly debacle, and they will lose tons of money on it. Their ratings are already dismal, propped up by corporate money alone.
Mar 26, 2021 ... Dominion Voting Systems has filed a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News, saying the network spread false claims.
Yeah, the hiring, by default, disproves the "impartial" claim. If OAN hired him, that would also disprove "impartiality"
Also perverted degenerates,(Don lemon) child molesters(John Griffin) and other lowdown hacks like Chrissy Cuomo and bloviated nincompoops like Brian Stellter.
Wallass will fit right in with the CNN culture.
The good news about Wallace going to CNN+ is that he'll never appear on my TV screen again, which in the past, has prompted me to change the channel within a few seconds.
White Mike, and Sarc will. Maybe Buttplug. Tony won’t. He’s too busy angrily jerking off to Tucker while pounding his own ass with a huge dildo.
All commentary is biased. Those that think they are the unbiased center are quite frankly idiots. That's the exact behavior though of many of our residents like Mike/Jeff/Sarc.
That's what I noticed, too--who else except other media people and Beltway swamptards are going to pay for a subscription to that shit?
So he joins Gunga Dan Rather on the road to obscurity.
Or Hallmark or maybe Lifetime.
He’s 74 and fading. He brings no audience with him. If he had any self respect he would simply retire and write a few books no one will buy, but his ego won’t allow it.
I hope it ends badly for him. Pathetic bad. Dan Rather pathetic bad.
Just wait for the federal support of CNN in BBB II.
“the Epstein saga.”
The what?
"child molesters(John Griffin)"
They memory-holed that one pretty quick.
When they have to start to compete for actual views, where a person is choosing to deliberately pay monthly for streaming, they have literally no chance. It will be a costly debacle, and they will lose tons of money on it.
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Exactly the case. I can't wait.
"braindead boomers"
Is that in comparison to Twitter trash spewing and TikTok watching millennials?
GenX rules, dude. We might be slackers, but we ain’t boomers or millennials.
Woo hoo!
https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Red-Herring.html