Elizabeth Warren Is Trying To Blame Inflation on 'Price Gouging.' Don't Buy It.
Warren's claim that oil companies are jacking up prices to turn a bigger profit doesn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny.

Looking for someone to blame for high and rising prices at the pump, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) has found a familiar villain: big corporations.
During an appearance on MSNBC's The ReidOut on Thursday, Warren said price gouging is to blame for the pain that Americans are feeling at the gas pump these days. Amid rising inflation, the average price for a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline sits at $3.40 nationally, up from about $2.11 at this same time last year and higher than at any time since 2014. This, Warren argued, is great news for oil companies and their shareholders.
"Chevron, Exxon have doubled their profits. This isn't about inflation, this is about price gouging for these guys," Warren said as host Joy Reid nodded along. While Republicans are trying to score political points by talking about inflation, Warren says, the "oil companies say 'I think it's just another opportunity to make profits' and we need to call them out on that."
Prices at the pump have gone up. Why? Because giant oil companies like @Chevron and @ExxonMobil enjoy doubling their profits. This isn't about inflation. This is about price gouging for these guys & we need to call them out. pic.twitter.com/kxiQkC2tYa
— Elizabeth Warren (@SenWarren) November 20, 2021
Warren is probably right that successful multinational corporations like oil companies do respond to shifts in the economy by finding ways to turn a profit. Because, well, that's what they have to do to keep being successful multinational companies. There's hardly anything shadowy or suspicious about that. You can put gas in your car this morning because oil companies are making a profit, whether Warren approves or not.
The price-gouging claim, however, is just wildly off base and smacks of political desperation. For months, Democrats claimed that dumping trillions of dollars into the economy during the COVID-19 pandemic—in the form of direct payments, expanded unemployment benefits, and other spending—would not trigger inflation. Then they claimed inflation was transitory. Months later, it now looks like significant inflation will continue well into next year, so a scapegoat must be found.
But Warren's claim that oil companies are jacking up prices to turn a bigger profit doesn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny.
By their very nature, high prices nudge consumers to buy less than they otherwise would. This is somehow good for the companies that make money by selling things? That's a shortsighted view that only a politician could embrace. Any business operating under the idea that the key to success is screwing over its customers by arbitrarily doubling prices won't be around very long. In Warren's view, Walmart would be more successful if it suddenly doubled the price of everything it sells because that would mean more profit.
It would be helpful to her argument if Warren could point to any evidence of this ever happening, but of course she can't.
There's a less theoretical way to test her claim, too. If Exxon and Chevron had indeed "doubled their profits," as Warren claims, that should translate into a huge boost for their shareholders. You'd expect such a sudden surge in corporate profits to be reflected in their stock prices, right?
But Exxon's stock was trading at about $62 per share on Monday morning. Six months ago, it was trading at…$59.61, according to Google Finance.
Chevron stock is up a bit more over the past six months, but it is still underperforming the market as a whole (the S&P 500 is up more than 12 percent in the past six months):

Where are all those extra profits going? I'm sure Warren would answer by claiming that billionaires are hiding the cash under their gold-encrusted mattresses in the Cayman Islands and that's why the IRS needs the authority to snoop on the bank accounts of Americans earning $600 a year on Etsy—and all that makes about as much sense as blaming inflation on price gouging.
When it comes to assigning blame for any of life's unpleasantries, Warren is like a broken record. Billionaires and corporations, in Warren's view, are responsible for everything from high college costs to the lack of affordable housing to the current supply chain problems. Just as reliably, she ignores the role that government has played in creating or worsening those problems—by subsidizing student loans, imposing restrictive zoning laws, and implementing trade-limiting rules like tariffs and the Jones Act, for example.
The same is true when it comes to gas prices, by the way. Government policies are contributing to inflation already, but Warren was one of several Democrats who backed a carbon tax during the 2020 presidential primaries. Regardless of what merits a carbon tax might have as a way to curb climate change, it is undeniable that it would mean higher prices at the pump.
With inflation suddenly taking center stage in the political discourse, Warren is trotting out the same tired arguments blaming successful businesses for the consequences of failed government policy. There's no reason to believe her.
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We're definitely at the 'inflation is happening, and it's good, because X' point.
But it’s ok if they raise taxes.
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Two more months have passed and Australia is now rounding up citizens and putting them into 'quarantine camps'...
Austria and Germany threatening to jail people who don't take the shot...
Many others implementing segregationist policies.
When can we compare to Nazi Germany?
Do we need to wait for people to actually get killed before we can draw any parallels in the escalation of rhetoric and policies?
That seems unwise.
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deplorables"them."(2) Symbolization: Governments start forcing "unclean" people to wear symbolic articles of clothing, so they clearly stand out from everyone else.
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(10) Denial: The brainwashed perpetrators of genocide deny having committed any crimes — blaming their victims for their own murders.
Where is China on this list?
10.
The Uighurs, the Great Leap Forward, the Red Guards... hell, they informed the list.
You know the world's gone topsy-turvy when central Africa is less authoritarian than Europe or the Britbong nations. Thank goodness for federalism in the US so that we have red states willing to give the bluetards the finger from time to time.
Australia and Canada are federal, and their State and Provincial Premiers have proven even bigger fascists than their prime ministers.
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I believe that sums up "all the law and the prophets."
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Chuckle
Little by little this clown is imitating more and more of Dipshit Dave Weigel's ridiculous schtick and fake persona. Soon he'll probably also be claiming that he lives in Georgia's red clay country.
I am just baffled how he maintains these levels of inadvertent comedy.
‘Portfolio’…..
You can’t even afford to lay your mortgage. Lying Marxist bitch.
I used to believe that. Now I can't even hold my nose and vote for Republicans. A giant douche is a giant douche and a turd sandwich is a turd sandwich.
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According to many here it may as well be the nectar of the gods.
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That would make you a perfect circle in a Venn diagram.
I'm unfortunately with you. Before the pandemic (or rather the draconian response to it) I was gonna vote Trump as an anybody but a Democrat vote. His arrogant attitude, twitter shit talking, pussy grabbing, pornstar fucking, calling people losers or any of the other behavior that makes him unlikable didn't deter me. The 2 massive stimulus packages did. As did the CDC's eviction moratorium starting under his watch (which is hands down the worst federal violation of property rights and contact law in peacetime in the US).
From an economic point of view, modern Republicans are hard left, even if not quite as hard as the democrats. So if we're gonna collapse the economy and destroy the dollar either way, you might as well hold on to some principles and not vote for either.
I used to say that Democrats give lip service to personal liberty while being openly hostile to economic liberty, while Republicans give lip service to economic liberty while being openly hostile to personal liberty.
I'm big on economic liberty.
Well Republicans, thanks to the gameshow host in chief, are now hostile to economic liberty.
What's a libertarian to do?
You'll never know.
"What's a libertarian to do?"
Every time we tell you, you flip out.
+2
"The 2 massive stimulus packages did."
Hi Shrike. Still thinking you're tricky, huh?
You're pretty much the only dink on the planet that thinks you can fool your marks into believing Pelosi's covid bills were exclusively Trump's fault.
Well, if he had any principles or balls, he could have vetoed them. He touted them as an accomplishment. And before he was even elected he was openly mocking the debt as "I won't be here when it blows up". His tax cuts weren't accompanied by any spending reductions and are thus deficit spending. Even before covid when the economy was in good shape, we had trillion dollar a year deficits. And his fondness for easy money with interest rates peaking at 2.5% in good times is telling. Sorry, this man doesn't even resemble fiscal conservatism.
One was vetoproof and another he did refuse to sign. Just before the election too.
It's like you imagine everyone can't remember as long ago as last year.
Well, I remember him wanting $2000 handouts instead of $600 in the Dec 2020 stimulus and making a fuss about that. I remember him making a fuss too about some pork money in the bills which is good, but it was an absolute drop in the bucket amount relative to the cost of the whole bill. I guess Trump deserves some credit for only wanting to give handouts to actual taxpayers, not that he got his way on that.
Do you have any sources about Trump resisting signing either stimulus (apart from complaining they are too small)?
Have you heard of Google? It's a site for cites, you turkey.
Cool, than you or Mother's Lament can find some sources to back your point.
I know the last thing in the world you wanted was a cite, but here you are:
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/10/10076414/trump-blocks-stimulus-negotiations-twitter
You have to be a massive tard ask for a cite for one of the biggest stories ever last October.
So... Imperfect vs. Total Clusterfuck means toss the whole table?
Imperfect? that's a bit of an understatement. Honestly, do you think Republicans at this point will ever shrink the government as opposed to grow it at a slightly slower pace? Or ever get the deficit down to zero or better yet start paying off the debt? Or ever let a market correction happen naturally again without bailouts and stimulus? Or raise interest rates to even say 5% to deal with inflation?
If your answer is "no, they won't", then I stand by my position and all we're arguing about is how fast to bring on the inevitable collapse with Republican vs Democrat. If your answer is "yes, they will" you have a lot more faith or rather am much more naive than me.
Um, yes. We just had a Republican President who was actively shrinking government.
But you saw mean tweets, so...
Didn't I specifically say I didn't care about mean tweets in my original post. I don't have TDS for the love of god. I'm just realistic that he was hardly economically conservative.
And no, he didn't shrink the government. He undid several regulations which is good for sure. But the the federal budget overall grew under his watch every year, even before COVID, objective fact:
2016 (still Obama baseline): $3,852,616,000,000
2017: $3,981,630,000,000
2018: $4,109,044,000,000
2019: $4,446,956,000,000
source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/hist01z1_fy22.xlsx
Thankfully trump is the real rino. We'll keep taking those union trash cultist votes though.
Yeah, both sides bad, no doubt.
Except one side spent 4 + 4 + 4 + 6 trillion (18 trillion) in 4 years, bumped up in year 4 for lockdown relief.
And the other side wants to spend 6 + 6 + 6 +6 trillion (24 trillion) in 4 years, PLUS another 6 trillion (maybe it's down to 5 trillion now, thanks to Manchin).
One of these things is not like the other.
And the side that wants to spend more also wants:
to jack up taxes,
to censor free speech on social media (through pressure or bribes or threats to private companies),
to define "misinformation" (even though their record on such has already committed several grave errors),
to restrict Second Amendment rights,
to require vaccinations (at threat of job loss), to require masks (even though they don't work), and to require vaccine passports (even though the vaccinated can spread the virus).
Bush wanting to increase spending by 6% and funnel more to defense companies while Gore wanting to increase spending by 8% and funnel more to Green energy companies is "both sides bad". One side consistently fighting to reduce freedom and to increase spending by 50% (as a starting point) is not "both sides bad".
I vote Repub locally in Maryland because they have at least a chance in the off years. I'd rather have Lockdown Larry Hogan over Ben Jealous; even though I can't stand the former (total squish). National elections, I give the LP my vote because Republicans could never win in MD, so might as well help the LP with ballot access and to signal my preferred preference (except for maybe House of Reps, that depends on the gerrymandering).
The Democrats have finally agreed that there is actually inflation. The inflation fire is burning bright, so let's put it out by pouring gasoline on it. Trillions more into the economy will solve everything.
Just print more, duh. What could go wrong?
Pour the gasoline fast enough and it’ll cool off the flames and extinguish the fire.
"Warren's claim that oil companies are jacking up prices to turn a bigger profit doesn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny."
So what? That is not the game they are playing here. These are political sound bytes and if it plays well it sells well.
>>successful multinational corporations like oil companies do respond to shifts in the economy by finding ways to turn a profit.
feature, not bug?
Actually oil prices are down ~10% from a month ago due to cooling tensions between the United States and China. Yeah, the fact that we don’t have a President engaging in pointless and idiotic Sabre-rattling is depressing oil prices.
Which sucks for me… because i forgot to sell my shares in USO which I had bought as a hedge against Trump’s idiotic foreign policy. I should have sold, but I just forgot as transitioning from a Palm Beach narcissist windbag with no interest in governing to someone that actually knows what is going on was always going to be rough for the price of oil. My bad. Fuck Joe Biden. Let’s Go Brandon.
Yeah. Biden's worth his weight in Yuan.
Actually oil prices are down ~10% from a month ago
due to cooling tensions between the United States and China.as the summer driving season wound down and before colder weather set in.It was always going to happen. Prices will skyrocket in the spring.
All your so called investment moves show how ignorant you really are.
Shrike's lying. He can't afford to invest anything at fifty-cent's a pop.
God you're such a joke.
Reading this I thought it was a parody because it doesn't make any sense. Shrike get banned again?
Someone governing that knows what's going on? That wouldn't be anyone on team Biden. Biden is too busy napping and making up innane stories
Look up the term “shoulder season” and get back with is.
And the stupidest stuff coming from Biden and Warren and you is ignoring that higher hydrocarbon prices IS WHAT BIDEN WANTS”. It’s his way of trying to drive demand down. The environment and all. If he did what he did and got what he wanted, why isn’t he bragging about it?
Oh, that’s right. It’s not popular so he’s gotta have a scapegoat. After all everybody knows that oil companies make prices go wherever the companies want them to be. That’s how soot prices went negative a couple of years ago. That’s why prices dropped from >100 in 2014 to <$30 in 2016. Companies make a lot more money when prices are in the tank.
Her Pow Wow Chow will cost 21% more this year.
How?
Now!
Wow!
Treat every bill she introduces as a treaty—and promptly rip it up (THE OLD SOW!)
Brown cow now much wampum higher
Now that she is proven to be whiter than Biden, isn’t that recipe name racist?
She's gotten Fonda the P.O.W. chow.
Of course she's blaming price gouging. Because she wants price controls. The see-you-next-tuesday is a certified Marxist.
Price controls cause shortages, because higher cost producers drop out (being unable to produce things at the stipulated price) and more consumers decide they want to buy if the price is forced artificially low. With no price freedom to sort out the market, governments can then ration out goods, forcing people to wait in line (a.k.a. "equality"), unless they are connected with the Party, naturally. Then they get taken care of.
Why stop with blaming corporations? Why not blame climate change, income inequality, racism, the unvaxed? It’s not considered misinformation if it comes from a Democrat, especially if from the USA’s eminent economic scholar herself.
So now have the Democrats started their assigning of blame, but still haven’t acknowledged that there actually is inflation? Seems ass-backwards, but perhaps par for the course from the dumpster fire their party has become.
Or is White Squaw just, ahem, off the reservation?
Corporations are the warm up act.
She’s simply a featherweight
"Chevron, Exxon have doubled their profits. This isn't about inflation, this is about price gouging for these guys," Warren said as host Joy Reid nodded along.
Big Oil is scalping us!
Those bad men running a business like some kind of business..
The time for the peace pipe is over, let war drums sound!
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I’m sure their shareholders are pleased.
The leading economics expert in this comment section has repeatedly explained that inflation is a wingnut.com myth. Merely the latest pathetic attack on the well-oiled machine that is the Joe Biden Administration.
Remember weeks ago when some people absurdly claimed Biden's handling of Afghanistan was less than stellar? This is more of that nonsense. Disappointed to see Warren falling for it.
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
It is right up there with HAPERINFLATION, OBL 🙂
Damn those hoarders and wreckers. If Comrade Biden only knew!
Hold on. I know Lizzie Warren is an opportunistic idiot but try to be a little fair here:
But Exxon's stock was trading at about $62 per share on Monday morning. Six months ago, it was trading at…$59.61, according to Google Finance.
Why Six months? Nice obfuscation.
A YEAR ago (which is the claim) Exxon stock was $34.59 per share.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/XONA.DE?p=XONA.DE&.tsrc=fin-srch
Oil companies decided they hated the massive losses they took in 2020 and have cut back production.
When Donnie Boy took office there were over 1500 active rigs. That number fell to only 160 by the time he slunk off.
Price gouging? bullshit
Self preservation? That is it.
If this was a post by Ken it would be hailed as the word of the gods. But it's you. Which means it's bullshit. Until Ken says the exact same thing.
Except Ken doesn’t say stupid shit.
Ken won't say the same thing because he doesn't understand markets.
He would just blame a cancelled pipeline that never carried a fucking drop of anything.
KEYSTONE XL BOYS!!! GAS IS GOIN' UP BECAUSE BIDEN PLUGGED IT UP!
Right. With Ken all bad is because evil progressives.
Dee isn't going to touch your peepee no matter how hard you try to troll Ken.
If he acts really really young, maybe.
You’re shilling for a proven pedophile. Do you still wonder why you’re so hated here?
"KEYSTONE XL BOYS!!! GAS IS GOIN' UP BECAUSE BIDEN PLUGGED IT UP!"
I know you're trying to be retarded, but yes. Exactly.
Fucking up the supply chain for political posturing tends to do that.
Supply and demand is beyond dimwit's comprehension, remember, it often doesn't understand the material it posts or to which it links.
A year ago. During a turbulent election season, in the middle of a forced economic shutdown.
Wow.
I said it wasn't gouging like the Squaw blabbers about.
What is your problem?
Ohhhh, I wasn't properly deferential to the Con Man, that is it.
My statement was about the stock price. But you knew that.
Now now, I've been told by Ken the Wise Sage of Reason that you only use emotions and feelings, not facts and logic like himself and his merry band of Vulcan-like scholars. Therefore it must be a mistake that you are quoting numbers and statistics. Why don't you tell us how you FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL about Exxon-Mobili?
oops, the actual number when Trump left was 374 rigs. Ii had been as high as 1600 prior late in Obama's last term.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/e_ertrr0_xr0_nus_cm.htm
I'll correct myself.
But yes, facts are tough for conservatives.
Explain 1. what Trump had to do with the number of operational rigs, and 2. How exploratory drilling versus operational wells affect prices.
I'll wait.
Facts are tough, and I'm not convinced that you understand them.
"Vulcan-like scholars." Nice.
It's the "scholar" part that's probably giving our resident fry-cook and Beast Ice connoisseur his issues.
"Therefore it must be a mistake that you are quoting numbers and statistics."
What is really hilarious is that you popped in here to give SPB a +1 on data that was factually wrong. Like, you literally praised him for "quoting numbers and statistics" when the numbers and statistics were wrong.
I mean, I understand the unwillingness to follow SPB's links- that is a good way to end up viewing Child Porn. But to come in here and praise him without even verifying the data is pretty sad.
Instances like this really put paid to the lie that you were ever interested in anything *but* fighting with the cons on this site. You happily join with a guy caught posting CP to this site to mock Ken, a guy who- if wrong- at least is willing to think a bit supporting his posts with actual evidence and his read of the logic.
The rig count fell over 75% to a low of 250 during Trump's term. Read the link.
The point that went straight over your head is that US Oil/Gas companies severely cut back production.
The rig count fell over 75% to a low of 250 during Trump's term.
So fucking what. Explain how the president affects active well exploration, and why it matters versus the number of operational wells.
If you understood jack about the oil industry, you'd know that what you're trying to present as an issue is utterly meaningless and you're demonstrating that you're an ignorant retard.
So explain what I just asked.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt Overt and just assume that you don't know what's going on.
Here is Ken from yesterday:
https://reason.com/2021/11/20/will-massachusetts-make-life-sweeter-for-home-cook-entrepreneurs/?comments=true#comment-9222652
When you look over this thread, and you don't see the progressive trolls, just look at the responses to their comments--it becomes painfully obvious that they're just talking about their feelings, like they're the dumbest people on the face of the earth.
When you cite facts and use logic, they act like you've changed the topic or they're oblivious to what you've said--because facts and the logic don't change their feelings. I'm sure that's because their claims have nothing to do with anything but their personal feelings.
And here is more Ken, further down in the discussion:
They are not engaging their higher brain functions. They're proceeding based solely on their emotions. What they "think" genuinely has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with feelings. The idea that you would feel one way and think something different is completely alien to them.
He then goes on to claim that these "progressive trolls" (by which he means people who don't subscribe to his brand of right-wing libertarianism, such as me or sarc or SPB), are actually in a zombie-like unconscious state, and compares them to chimpanzees.
And then he hilariously claims that he's not trying to insult them. LOL yeah right.
So tell me Overt, do you think Ken is right? Do you think "progressive trolls" are only talking about feelings? Do you think they are the "dumbest people on the face of the earth"? Do you think "progressive trolls" are no better than chimpanzees in the use of mental faculties? Do you think that "progressive trolls" are in a zombie-like unconscious state? Finally, do you think that Ken's conclusions constitute an objective state of reality as determined by the rigorous analysis of facts and logic, and in no way represent an attempt to insult people?
Cry more.
"So tell me Overt, do you think Ken is right?"
I dunno, Chemjeff, you tell me. You jumped in here to +1 a post of incorrect data so that you could mock Ken. That tells me:
1) You aren't interested in the facts, else you'd have actually viewed the link and determined that SPB wasn't actually telling facts.
2) You are more interested in the emotional payoff of mocking Ken.
What lesson do you want me to take from this? Am I supposed to look at your response to SPB and praise your facts and logic?
I think you are supposed to look at Ken's comments from yesterday and condemn them. Particularly the ones that dehumanize certain people, comparing them to chimpanzees, or claiming that people are actually closer to zombies than fully functioning human beings. I think you are supposed to find Ken's comments especially rich coming from a guy who supposedly praises 'facts and logic'. I think you are supposed to conclude Ken is a pretentious fraud when he claims that his comments are grounded in 'facts and logic' after posting offensive bullshit like that. I think you are supposed to conclude that Ken is fully on board with the left-right tribal warfare nonsense, and he has absolutely picked a side. I think you are unlikely to do any of those things, preferring instead to criticize the person who points out Ken's fraud.
Why you all are so enamored with Ken is beyond me.
We're not particularly enamored with Ken more than anyone else here, but we do think that your attacks on Ken are dishonest and trollish.
For some reason you and White Mike are incensed by his arguments, so you have launched a vicious campaign of lies and harassment against him, that is both slanderous and disgusting.
sarcasmic being Mike's puppy-dog has also joined in for "attaboys".
You really are garbage people.
You’re the one constantly bringing him up. You must bitterly masturbate to his comments while your new pal Buttplug jacks it to child porn.
You haven't made an argument separating supposed stance for praise of fact and logic versus 'dehumanizing' people who tend to respond emotionally. Or respond completely in line with their preconceived notions and biases. Which is what it appears you have done here. Whether or not one appreciates Ken's terminology, the fact is, people who are mired in bias, rooted in emotion, are less capable or incapable of critical thinking. Further, in your argument, you include SPB, a ridiculous troll who posts bs arguments and links that refute the arguments it is making. If you were trying for gravity, you failed.
Bullshit is right.
Oil/Nat Gas rigs in operation by year
Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2
November.22.2021 at 2:11 pm
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oops, the actual number when Trump left was 374 rigs. Ii had been as high as 1600 prior late in Obama's last term.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/e_ertrr0_xr0_nus_cm.htm
Beat you to it at 2:11 pm
And despite this, we were energy independent.
"When Donnie Boy took office there were over 1500 active rigs."
My god you are obsessed with political optics- in addition to being unable to actually read a table. Even more hilarious is that you think you are discussing something novel...you aren't really even disagreeing with the point of the article.
This is an oil cycle. Oil producers have been following the oil cycle ever since oil rigs were a thing. When demand is high, prices go up, causing oil companies to invest in more production. As production catches up with demand, prices stabilize. If demand slacks due to a recession or other issue, then the glut of oil will push oil prices down. As prices go down, more expensive wells are idled.
That you feel the need to bring Trump (or later Obama) into this is pretty sad.
If oil companies could so easily double their profits, why didn't the do this sooner?
Fucking anti-capitalists want everyone to think capitalists are too stupid to recognize easy money, but so greedy that all they think about is making more of it.
Because when oil was $50/bbl they thought they had to produce more to make up for losses. Then the Saudis said "Fuck you Americans, we will out produce you so get ready for Ch 11".
Not the first oil glut we had.
LOL. Saudis don’t like profits.
Unlike Americans, Saudis can make money at $25/bbl oil. They sit on the sweetest oil patch in the world.
They don't mess with that shitty tar sands oil with high refining costs like Canucks do.
stick with your day job
That "tar sands" oil only amounts to about 5% of the Canadian oil production, and is mined for a lot more than just petrochemicals.
95% of the oil due to be shipped on the Keystone was from normal extraction and neither oilsands or fracking.
It's pretty obvious you are completely ignorant of the oil industry, and are getting your bullshit from some Tom Steyer propaganda.
He’s too focused on watching child porn. In between raping his prepubescent victims.
If capitalists are so greedy why don't they increase profits by hiring only lower paid womyns?
Seattle School board entertains "anti-racist" policies, gets accused of racism. You can't make this up. herpetologist's handshake.
Also, read this language carefully:
"Anti-black racism" is now a category... I wonder why that might be... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
OMG that Zach guy looks like a total fag!
Seriously though, I've been a member of a couple herp clubs, and nobody told me about a secret handshake.
Seriously though, I've been a member of a couple herp clubs, and nobody told me about a secret handshake.
I got that from a story on NPR like 15 years ago. They were interviewing a herpetologist who, at the end of the interview said that when you go to herp research conferences that the number of people you meet who are missing a finger, missing a thumb, have some horrible disfigurement on their arm or hand, or have an ugly scar was "alarming" and it colloquially became known in the "biz" as the "Herpetologists handshake".
Interesting. Never heard that. I guess it kinda makes sense. Play with rattlesnakes and shit happens. Are you sure it wasn't an article about faith healers?
The two district employees, both of whom are women
(S)he needs a larger mask to cover that Adam's apple.
If the Russel Wilson bails, the Seahawks might have found their next QB.
A white liberal too chickenshit to tell a black man the truth. Color me surprised.
Huge deal:
I was just on YouTube and got an advertisement pushed to me…
Talking about inequality and racism and hate…
Tag line:. We can stop this with federal legislation to have a consistent approach across all social media platforms. Call your congressman…
Fade in logos….. FACEBOOK.
Get ready. They know the window of opportunity closes in a year and a couple of months. They must be preparing a full court press
a consistent approach across all social media platforms
Censorship
Christ, what a cunt.
Fauxhacuntass?
Hilarious headline in Seattle Times from Racial Justice Columnist.
This is a must read. Clearly written by a middling high school sophomore. Such "facts" as are used are used incorrectly, and it was clearly researched using Twitter as the primary source.
Police responded to a call from a woman who felt threatened by a adult male wanted criminal by attempting to arrest him. When that armed adult male wanted criminal (who had successfully resisted arrest efforts that had included use of tasers) tried to start a high-speed chase that would have endangered the lives of two children in the vehicle he was entering, the police shot the adult male to prevent him from doing so.
In response to that, a bunch of other adult males with criminal records (and, of course, some other hangers-on) rioted over the willingness of the police to protect women and children from criminals. In the process of the riot, two such adult males with criminal records attacked a child, and were killed by the minor in self-defense. The child was tried and found not guilty, because video clearly showed that the adult male criminals were indeed the attackers.
It is accordingly clear that our criminal justice system is unconscionably biased in favor of innocent women and children and against adult male criminals.
The race for Retarded Redhead of the Year continues apace. Kathy Griffin, Jen Psaki, and now this one.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10229909/Illinois-Democratic-staffer-MOCKS-Waukesha-SUV-tragedy-killed-five-injured-dozens.html
“Our organization does not support hate in any form.”
Hahahahaha!
Wait, you’re serious!?!?
HaHa Hahahahahahah!!!!
Sociopath is all I can think of to describe her.
CB
Telling remarks by the official:
She has since posted a further slew of tweets, writing: 'Nobody cared about me like my whole life. My mom used to leave me for hours at a time alone in my play pen.
I"'ve put out music for 20 years nobody gave a sh*t. Why do people all of a sudden care about a stupid remark? I can't believe my 15 minutes of fame is for this sh*t.'
Excuse me, staffer. Which is a person who WANTS to be an official.
Not just any staffer!
"Mary Lemanski, 46, has worked for the Democratic Party in DuPage County since 2018 as the association's social media director"
Not anymore; she nuked her account.
Jesus fuck, what other than some kind of borderline personality disorder makes you think you need to tie in a parade massacre to your mommy not loving you enough?
"Because your music was shitty but inoffensive. Unlike laughing about a car smashing through a parade. I mean, you *did* ask."
She should change handles to Lady Sarcasmic.
That comes later, after drinking and self-loathing has destroyed her family, life and career.
This is where identity politics takes us. If you live in Wisconsin you are part of the group that acquitted Rittenhouse.
OMG, the Democrats employed a snotty little cunt in some kind of PR job? Stop the presses, that's never happened before!
-jcr
Get your resume up to date.
I could never do that job. I have a powerful gag reflex. You should take a shot at it, though. Live your dream!
-jcr
More proof (as if we needed it) that gingers have no soul.
Yup she's a left-wing demagogue. Quelle surprise.
It may be a blind spot of mine, but I never listen to Elizabeth Warren.
The FBI just noted that in your file.
So Sleepy joe is going to renominate Trump's pick at the Fed.
Jerome 'Loose Money is Free' Powell.
Holy shit it's true. All President's are rabid Keynesians.
Ha! Media is still referring to the Wisconsin parade crasher as "he or she"... I guess to be fair, the driver didn't declare xer pronouns on twitter, so we can't say for sure.
It was the dreadlocks that got them confused.
The federal income tax is price gouging.
Lest we forget. The greatest air disaster since the Hindenburg.
Thanks; I recall watching that first run; "Hitting the ground like wet bags of cement!"
Here's the logic that you have to attack:
1. Company makes x profit, business model fit around these expectations
2. Costs increase
3. Company increases prices to maintain x profit
4. Marxists feel that company should take a hit instead of maintaining profit.
That's where you have to attack the argument. Explain why it is necessary for the company to increase prices. Make sure people understand what happens if they don't. Marxists have owned this narrative for years because laypeople think their price increases are buying Jeff Bezos another trip to space and Bill Gates a tenth yacht. It's a gross oversimplification and insidious misrepresentation that needs an ideological counter.
Explain why it is necessary for the company to increase prices. Make sure people understand what happens if they don't.
Okay, what happens if they don't?
Dumbass.
Biden might close Michigan Pipeline.
Biden shuts-down Keystone XL pipeline.
Biden to shut-down Embridge pipeline
Biden to shut-down STL pipeline.
Democrats, "It's price gouging"........ Yeah; They really are that STUPID!
If I were paranoid, I'd say they're deliberately creating a crisis in the petroleum supply chain. If I weren't paranoid, I'd say the same thing.
They're doing exactly what they said they'd do to combat "climate change". This is what the people who think Elizabeth Warren is a solution to any sort of problem voted for explicitly.
Combat that invisible ghost that has been predicted 100,000 times but has never once been seen...... Yeah; They really are that STUPID!
Oh, but the people like Lizzie Warren never said the quiet part: The transition from coal/gas/oil will be achieved by making it impossible to afford.
They're getting what they want from the fight against reality...errr...climate change: control and the destruction of small business/entrepreneurs/middle class economic activity. Everything pushed towards the 1% and the mega-corps/ keiretsu.
What about OPEC? They don't even hide the fact they're colluding to fuck over consumers. Why is so difficult to imagine large corporations doing the same thing? Free minds my ass. You're owned by Koch. Y'all are not even close to being objective.
Why would they hide it? You planning on prosecuting OPEC under the Sherman Act?
Yeah OPEC colludes transparently with many times the market clout of Exxon and can't even control oil prices. That might be one reason its hard to imagine.
Ask Sec Granholm if the price of oil can be controlled!
She thinks the very question is hilarious!
SPB, Chemjeff, Tony and all other Lizzy fans. What is the problem high gas prices? Isn't that what you want for your green world?
You guys should sing it's praises. Screw all the poor and little people.
High prices are only good if all the. Only goes to taxes, not profits.
O/T - Every now and then, SNL puts up a good political skit.
Republican or Not?
The popcorn munching was epic. 😀
Prices are set in commodity markets. It isn't as if an oil company can decide you are going to pay $90 for a barrel of oil. They are price takers based on whatever the current market price is. That is why these all powerful oil companies were seeing negative prices for some oil contracts in 2020. Are we to expect in Lizzie's world that they should sell oil for $50 a barrel when the commodity markets are offering $80? I mean is she that stupid or does she just think everyone else is that stupid?
Yes.
EXACTLY.
PRICES ARE SET. AT WILL.
The money supply has nothing to do with it.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Fauxcahontas still full of shit, film at 11.
-jcr
Economics isn't difficult, but Warren is counting on others not understanding it. If companies could make more money and bigger profits by jacking up prices, they would have already done it. If companies raise their prices 50%, their profit margins may go up, but far fewer people will buy, and their total profit will be reduced.
In a competitive market, prices are set by the low cost producer. They charge enough to recover their costs, plus whatever markup they can add on while clearing the market (selling all the goods they can produce). Higher cost producers can't just charge more, they also have to settle for the market clearing price, and a smaller profit margin.
General inflation, like we have now, adds to the costs of all producers, and forces all of them to raise their prices. Higher tax rates do the same thing.
LIAR.
Inflation is solely a MONEY SUPPLY issue.
Says world renown Economist Milton Friedman, not a low grade opinionated assclown like you.
It has NOTHING to do with prices.
Further they arent using money but digital computer credits so inflation does not apply.
.Economics IS a very complex topic. Your ignorant statement proves it.
Idiots like you know nothing about it.
.The only thing simple is your stupidity and reliance in politucal memes.
Go stick your head in an oven.
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Elizabeth Warren should be forced to sell her Cambridge, MA home for the same price that she paid for it.
High oil prices = Great news for Electric Cars!
Shut down those coal electric plants toooooooooooooo.... Shut down those hydroelectric dams because of fish.... Shut down those nuclear plants because of pollution....
Seems the only thing leftards want is another failure of a Totalitarianism and Nazism state.
Lie. not worth rebutting.
2 WAYS TO TELL ELIZABETH WARREN IS SAYING SOMETHING STUPID/LYING
a) Her lips are moving
2) Joy Reid's head bobbing mindlessly as she speaks
She heap big Buffalo Turd.
The Inflation LIE.
Get a Macroeconomics book.
Inflation IS NOT PRICE INCREASES.
They are unrelated.
This Democrat LIE was around in 2012 when Libidiots were trying to spread blame for the Obama Economic Disaster.
Inflation was at a historic LOW in 2012 as prices skyrocketed. 0.8 - 1.2%.
It's the path to a clean, stable, climate paradise! Moving away from those evil automobiles will be painful. For ???????????????? people. But that's a price our corporate overlords are willing for you to pay.
The individually-owned automobile is the greatest advancement of human freedom since the printing press. A little surprised it's taken them this long to find a pretext to take it away from the proles.
Warren is second only to Bernie for pushing ridiculous economic conspiracy theories. And in being absolutely dim-witted.
Nothing this Progressive establishment ninny has EVER SAID stands up to even casual scrutiny.
Warren! HAHA ! The best way to create lower prices is to have higher prices. She is SOOO dense. But perhaps a savvy propagandist.
Warren knows her base want scapegoats, not reality.
looking at stock prices , really ? check back in after the next earnings reports.
Did grampa Joe shut down all transmission though the existing US portions of the Keystone Pipeline, or just pull the plug on the building of the new "XL" section? I can't seem to find that specific info online.
Warren is SUCH a Communist, she makes even AOC look like a Republican. Gawd, what mind-rot!