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Bail

Conservatives Should Resist the Urge To Blame Bail Reform for the Waukesha Parade Deaths

The D.A.'s office has said that Darrell Brooks bail was set "inappropriately low."

Scott Shackford | 11.22.2021 4:50 PM

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Streets along the parade route are closed to traffic as investigators work after an SUV plowed into the Christmas parade in downtown Waukesha Wisconsin Sunday killing at least five people and injuring at least 40. (Mark Hertzberg/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom)

An SUV plowed into a Christmas parade Sunday evening in Waukesha, Wisconsin, a horrible incident that has left five dead and at least 40 injured.

The details of what exactly happened remain sketchy. But a person of interest, 39-year-old Darrell Edward Brooks, has been publicly identified, and unidentified law enforcement sources have told The Washington Post that Brooks was racing away from the scene of a knife fight. Brooks has a lengthy criminal record that includes such violent charges as battery and domestic abuse. And he was out on a surprising low bail amount—$1,000—after already being charged with jumping bail for some of those past charges.

It has been just three days since the high-profile murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, a case in which a false narrative was fueled first by early inaccurate reports of what had happened, and then by ideologically driven arguments designed to encourage support for tighter gun controls and new domestic terrorism laws. The Rittenhouse case became a polarizing ideological sorting test, with conservatives tending to support the defendant and liberals tending to take the other side.

Given what just happened with Rittenhouse, one might expect conservatives of all people to be reluctant to rush to judgment based on so little information. But as with Rittenhouse, there's an ideological urge to attack a policy—in this case bail reform—to explain what happened Sunday.

Guy Benson of Fox News contributor and Town Hall has posted several tweets and clips of himself taking note of how the press bungled its coverage of Rittenhouse's charges and trial. And in the middle of all that, he posted this:

Thinking about this today. pic.twitter.com/4OYtpyJL17

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) November 22, 2021

I'm picking on Benson here because I usually find him a good-faith conservative. But the movement to reduce the dependency on cash bail or eliminate it entirely is based on the idea of returning bail to its true purpose: to make sure that people who are charged with crimes behave appropriately while they're free and return to court to face their charges. Pretrial detention should be reserved for those who show themselves to be too dangerous to be freed. Instead we have a system where who goes free often depends not on dangerousness or flight risk but who can pay the money. The end result: Millions of people who have not been convicted of crimes end up serving the equivalent of jail terms because they cannot afford the cost to get out.

The Fifth Amendment requires due process before a person can be punished for a crime, but cash bail often turns the system on its head. People stuck in pretrial detention often end up pleading guilty or accepting bad plea deals because it's the only way to get released.

The goal of bail reform is not to free people like Brooks. The goal is to make sure the court system focuses on people like Brooks.

A few hours after Benson's tweet, the district attorney's office for Milwaukee County put out a lengthy statement explaining what happened with Brooks. He originally faced much higher bail ($7,500) for charges of reckless endangerment and for being a felon in possession of a firearm. But due to court conflicts, the court wasn't able to meet Brooks' demands for a speedy trial. His bail was knocked down to $500, which he paid in February and was released. He was charged in November with skipping out on this bail and was arrested again. Then, for reasons that are not yet clear, he was let out with a new bail of $1,000.

The District Attorney's office says that the bail recommendation in this case was "inappropriately low" and "not consistent with the approach of the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office toward matters involving violent crime, nor was it consistent with the risk assessment of the defendant prior to setting of bail." The office will investigate how Brooks got out with such small bail.

All of which is to say: Because Brooks was very obviously somebody who skipped out on bail once, the risk assessment the county put together on Brooks (or was supposed to put together on Brooks) should have reflected this possibility.

It may turn out later that the D.A's office is attempting to cover its ass. Perhaps there are many other cases like the Brooks case. But Milwaukee doesn't exactly have a reputation for being overly kind to people suspected of crimes. In 2016, its county jail allowed a man in solitary confinement to dehydrate to death because he had no access to water in his cell. Milwaukee County is the place that gave us Sheriff David Clarke, who supports an uber-harsh justice system (except for Donald Trump's lackeys, of course).

Wisconsin's bail regulations are very clear: Judges are authorized to set bail to a level that the judge believes will ensure the defendant will return to court, and they are authorized to set any number of non-financial release conditions as well. The state's bail statute is also clear that whether the defendant is currently already out on bail is something to be considered.

Whatever comes out of this horrible incident, tough-on-crime conservatives need to resist the urge to attack bail the way the left used Rittenhouse to attack gun rights. We are protected by both the Second Amendment and Fifth Amendment. You know whose bail was set too high? Rittenhouse's! That he needed the assistance of a bunch of celebrity conservatives to raise $2 million in order to be free to prepare his case is, in fact, an example of a broken system.

We can protect public safety without using bail as a mechanism to punish people before ever convicting them. For every case like Brooks, there are hundreds, even thousands, of people stuck in pretrial detention who are no threat to anybody but can't afford the cost of their freedom.

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  1. The Great Negro   4 years ago

    Why can’t the Jan6 get bail, Scott?

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   4 years ago

      What are you, the Great Right Hope?

      1. Nachtwaechter Staater   4 years ago

        Chumby?
        Zat you?

        1. Dillinger   4 years ago

          chumby is great write hope.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Even chumby bows at this one. Good job.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              Punwright

              1. Carmen Poole   4 years ago

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            2. Chumby   4 years ago

              The Rite of Punishment

              1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

                But not The Writ of Spring...(-Ing them from confinement.)

          2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            More like a write supremacist.

    2. Liberty Lover   4 years ago

      Scott won't answer you but the fact is they are not criminals, but political prisoners. Political prisoners never get bail. The rot in jail or prison often without charges until the government wants to let them go.

      1. The Great Negro   4 years ago

        And self described libertarians are afraid to say anything. Or., they aren’t
        actually libertarians.

      2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        "the fact is they are not criminals, but political prisoners"

        Call them "Dissidents". It makes Dem heads spin like the girl in the exorcist. White Mike had a conniption the last time I did.

        1. The Great Negro   4 years ago

          Great observation.

        2. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

          I'm sure we can get a list from the U.N.

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      4. MoreFreedom   4 years ago

        Exactly, the government treats those who oppose the current regime of deep state bureaucrats, as political prisoners with different rules than criminal creeps who'll go out and riot for fun at the behest of Democrats who want riots they can peaceful protests.

        Shackford is also incorrect in implying that the county that gave us Sheriff David Clarke is being hard on perps, when I believe it was the local police and county DA who arrested the perp and set the bail low for Brooks. It also doesn't speak well of this liberal stronghold (except for Clarke), that "the court wasn't able to meet Brooks' demands for a speedy trial" which is a constitutional requirement.

        This is a good example of how liberals corrupt the system so it doesn't do the job that our founders intended it to do, and instead doesn't protect the people from criminals, but does protect the politicians from criminals.

  2. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

    In this case, they should blame it. This guy should have been locked up.

    Here's the perp himself, justifying his actions.

    1. RabbiHarveyWeinstein   4 years ago

      Mayo skins need to learn about right of way on roads.

    2. Sebastian Cremmington   4 years ago

      He likes to punch women in the face just like Rittenhouse.

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

        Don't pull your stupid out in public. It's unbecoming.

      2. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

        You mean the guys he shot?

        1. ravenshrike   4 years ago

          There is video of an altercation in which Rittenhouse is supposedly one of the participants where upon a bigger, taller girl attacking a smaller girl, he punches her back and head in an attempt to get her to stop. While being punched by him she at no point attempts to stop going after the smaller girl or in any way escape.

    3. Patrick Henry, the 2nd   4 years ago

      YUP

      The libertarian case for more crime.

      "We can protect public safety without using bail as a mechanism to punish people before ever convicting them."

      We literally have evidence that is false.

  3. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

    Some important news about Brooks at
    https://beckernews.com/police-dismiss-waukesha-suspects-radical-blm-views-downplay-racial-motive-with-excuse-for-parade-massacre-43116/?utm_source=BN&utm_medium=PTN
    has been suppressed by the left wing media propagandists (as well as by many conservative outlets).

    "However, ‘scouring’ the social media accounts of Darrell Edward Brooks shows that he was a radicalized BLM activist, self-proclaimed sex trafficker, and black supremacist."

    Seems like left wing media propagandists have gone to great lengths since last night to create a false narrative about Brooks (e.g. he isn't a terrorist).

    1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

      I don't think he's a terrorist. Anyone on Twitter is going to get pulled into racial discussions and talks about BLM. If he was planning to drive into a crowd to kill innocent people, why get into a knife fight and wait for the police the chase him before doing it?

      He's a scumbag fleeing from cops and not caring about anyone but himself or that others got hurt int he way.

      1. JeremyR   4 years ago

        My guess is that he got into a fight, thought "Hey, I'm going to jail, might as well kill as many white people as I can"

        It might not be true, but it's certainly more plausible than all the "White Supremacy" that gets ascribed to white people, even if they happen to shoot white people

        1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

          I don't have to accept comparative truths, though. "It's more true than this other thing."

          Nah, I'll just call bullshit on both. I don't see this as political, I this as a scumbag doing the sorts of depraved scumbag things that scumbags do.

          1. Union of Concerned Socks   4 years ago

            a scumbag doing the sorts of depraved scumbag things that scumbags do.

            Bingo

          2. MasterThief   4 years ago

            Need to see the video and learn more to get a better feel for it, but that sounds like the simplest explanation. Shitty people do shitty things, especially when trying to escape accountability. Driving at high speeds through what could be hundreds of people still has the feel of motivated intent to do great harm to others rather than serve the immediate interest of escaping. Need to learn more to understand the motivation.

            1. Djea3   4 years ago

              yeah, go watch the videos BEFORE you make stupid comments. This guy AIMED HIS CAR AND HIT THE GAS to run people over. You could see him actually TURNING THE VEHICLE TO ASSURE hitting more and doing MORE damage. You could see him drive over the people grinding them up.
              You are sick because you think you can comment on things you admit you never cared enough to see.

          3. Trollificus   4 years ago

            And then the press doing the kind of scumbag things they do.

            1. rbike   4 years ago

              Official police report.
              https://www.waukeshacounty.gov/globalassets/circuit-courts/2021cf001848-comp7347101.pdf
              Slowed down and sped up. Aiming at people.

      2. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

        If the FBI can investigate/harass parents for communicating with school board members (citing federal terrorist law), a racist killing of 5 and injuring of 40+ whites by a career criminal fits most peoples understanding of the definition of domestic terrorism.

        1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

          Again, trying to force me to adhere to shitty definitions I don't agree with. Parents aren't terrorists. This asshole isn't a terrorist.

          1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

            I'm not as quick to dismiss that motive, ATM.

            That said, are we even having this conversation if the races are reversed? "Of course it's because he hated Black people..."

            1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

              I don't start from a point of assuming a motive that I'm forced to dismiss. I'll infer more if I learn later. I hate to just jump in and pretend I already know what's happening because that's how people form narratives they can't dismiss.

              If someone proves that he went out to target white people, I'll accept that. But it's a fucking parade-if your goal is to get some racially motivated vengeance, you're not controlling who you hit.

              It doesn't seem like a planned attack, he was fleeing, and he has a history of fleeing police and attacking people with his vehicle. That's my starting point and it seriously fucking BOTHERS me that people were already advancing the narrative before there were any facts at all. Fuck narratives.

              1. Trollificus   4 years ago

                Well, it's kind of a "gotcha" mentality after the press, the Dems, the DoJ, Gen. Miley Cyrus and all the "insurrection! REEEE!!" hysterics have been setting up a fantasy "domestic terrorist" group (white people) for the last year.

                Kind of hard to resist an opportunity to say "Okay, what about this? Or are you going to handwave the dead and injured children?"

                (note: and of course, proving yet again my assessment that the press in this country is comprised of contemptible, irredeemable, vile scum, they are doing exactly that. Their response to EVERY aspect of reality is "How must this be presented so that it fits our narrative?")

                1. ecs33   4 years ago

                  Yup...100%

                2. ecs33   4 years ago

                  That's the game of the progressive:

                  1. Move the goalposts - make the baseline of politics some toxic racist BS.
                  2. When something happens that isn't politically convenient, blame the other side for doing politics with the same baseline they established, pretending like it never happened and we are still doing politics like 5 years ago.

                  I think at this point, people know the game and roll their eyes.

      3. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

        AIUI, the cops weren't actually chasing him at the time he entered the parade. May have thought it'd be hilarious to drive through it, got jammed up, and said fuck it.

        1. Trollificus   4 years ago

          They put out some traffic cones and one of those 8'x4' "barrier" fences. He drove right through it! Who among those cops could have thought he would be so rude?

          If my kid were injured or killed by someone released by this DA, I'd hold him AND EVERYONE WHO VOTED FOR HIM personally responsible. It would be a horrible and probably brief campaign on my part, hopefully with some structural resemblance to the actions of Mr. Brooks.

      4. ecs33   4 years ago

        I think when he got in that situation, he realized he may have been out of luck and realized he was in a situation where he could kill a bunch of white people. And that's when he started zig zagging and trying to target people as the eye witness accounts stated.

        1. ecs33   4 years ago

          Self destruction...but still terrorism imo.

        2. ecs33   4 years ago

          My comment may not have been as clear as I'd like and you can't edit comments here.

          I think he reached a point of no return and became very self destructive. It was a culmination of anger at that point where he decided to carry out this act. Wasn't planned initially, more of a "well I'm here" situation. Because at first, he wasn't hitting anybody. Then later, he starts zig-zagging and targeting people. In my mind, that is the only explanation for the inconsistency.

  4. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

    $2 million for a kid who turned himself in the very night he shot in self defense. $1000 for a guy with a history of fleeing cops and skipping bail, and also a track-record of vehicular assault.

    I don't think there's any fair way to handle bail that is going to utterly remove subjective judgments. But there's a discussion to be had about it.

    1. RabbiHarveyWeinstein   4 years ago

      He was a good boy. He was just late to church service with his momma. Another young Black man kept down by systemic racism trying to find Jesus and forgiveness for those evil white men who rule America behind closed doors.

      1. creech   4 years ago

        Bull on the church bit. He was thinking about turning his life around and was rushing to take the SAT so he could get into college.

        1. Trollificus   4 years ago

          Dammit! *I* was gonna do the "turnin' his life aroun" one!

          1. Utkonos   4 years ago

            Throw your vanity in the bonfire already!

    2. Cronut   4 years ago

      Yeah, it's fair to criticize bail laws that allow violent felons out of jail. We're not talking about someone who sold drugs or stole cars. This guy has a long history of hurting other people. He didn't belong on the street. It's perfectly fair and valid to question how we're going about thos.

      1. Ed Grinberg   4 years ago

        I've got news for you: people who steal other people's cars hurt those other people. As a matter of fact, people who sell drugs to people also hurt those people.

  5. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    "Conservatives Should Resist the Urge To Blame Bail Reform for the Waukesha Parade Deaths"

    LOL

    1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      "His bail was knocked down to $500, which he paid in February and was released. He was charged in November with skipping out on this bail and was arrested again. Then, for reasons that are not yet clear, he was let out with a new bail of $1,000."

      My understanding is that his history included battery, owning a firearm as a felon, and resisting arrest.

      The question isn't just why his bail was only $1,000. It's also why it was only $1,000 considering his violent behavior and apparent propensity to resist arrest.

      Why are they giving $1,000 bail to people who are resisting arrest--while on bail? Asking if they're giving him a break because of BLM is a legitimate question that conservatives might ask.

      P.S. Three strikes, mandatory minimums, sex registries, and support for high bail are all populist responses--because people don't trust liberals to keep violent criminals locked up.

      The legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights, and one of the legitimate purposes of the criminal justice system is to protect our rights from criminals. And it shouldn't take much effort for non-conservative libertarians to say so.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

        Yes the legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights. Everyone's rights, including those of criminals. Too many conservatives believe that rights are only earned through moral worth. Take any article here on Reason about someone on death row: inevitably some conservative will pipe up and declare that because the convicted criminal did something horrible, that the person *deserves to die*. That a person's very right to life is contingent on that person's moral standing. All libertarians of all flavors ought to recognize that all human beings have inherent natural rights and that the legitimate role of the state is to protect those rights among all people, including both the saints and the sinners.

        1. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

          Take any article here on Reason about someone on death row: inevitably some conservative will pipe up and declare that because the convicted criminal did something horrible, that the person *deserves to die*. That a person's very right to life is contingent on that person's moral standing.

          Yeah, weird, it turns out when you deprive other people of their right to life, it's actually both moral and just to deprive you of your right to life. Like for like. Punishment fitting the crime. Contrast that with amoral sacks of monkey shit like you, sarcasmic, and your sundry sockpuppet accounts who have spent nearly a year furiously jacking your microchodes over a cowardly faggot little bitch of a cop cowering in abject fear behind a book case, then leaping out just long enough to shoot a completely unarmed woman who posed no threat to him or anyone else in the face and kill her, then return to his cowering position, despite a 4 man SWAT team standing less than 10 feet behind her, each with a selective fire M4 rifle trained on her back.

          1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

            Hi Tulpa!

            1. The Great Negro   4 years ago

              I’m Tulpa!

            2. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

              Hi Sqrsly!

              When's the next Ministry concert, you little bitch boy cocksucking faggot pussy?

            3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              Hi sqrlcasmic. Did you hook up with that 24-year-old whore peddling her wares here yet?
              I bet she can take a punch.

        2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

          It has been determined that people are to be judged not by what they do, but by their politics.

          Every BLM protestor is guilty of rioting.

          Every Jan 6 tourist is a political prisoner.

          Guilt and innocence are determined by what party they are registered with.

          Hasn't Ken taught you anything?

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            So glad you found some new friends sarc. Sure they are the most leftist pieces of shit like yourself. But I truly am happy for you. Do I see an air bnb in your future?

            1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              " Do I see an air bnb in your future?"

              A half-million dollar Airbnb.

              1. R Mac   4 years ago

                Where they shoot guns. Even though sarc is not safe carrying a gun.

          2. The Great Negro   4 years ago

            Sarc, the master of false equivalence.

          3. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

            Guilt and innocence are determined by what party they are registered with.

            You mean like when you spent 18 months saying that there were no BLM riots over the entire year of 2020, and that feds in uniforms arresting people who were engaged in terrorist violence including trying to burn hundreds of people alive in a federal building were Nazi gestapo thugs, and that Kyle Rittenhouse was a dangerous vigilante who deserved to be killed by your tankie bros who he ventilated, and then in the same breath celebrated the summary execution of an unarmed woman by a racist black cop who, like you, was a pussy faggot coward hiding behind a book case pissing his drawers?

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              You know he was too drunk to remember that.

            2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              That's somehow totally different because reasons, right sarcasmic?

            3. sarcasmic   4 years ago

              You're almost as good as JesseAz at making up stuff and attributing it to me.

              1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                Not everyone has the memory of a drunk goldfish sweetie.

              2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                Just because you were hammered when you wrote it, doesn't mean it doesn't count.

        3. JesseAz   4 years ago

          You have really stupid takes.

        4. CE   4 years ago

          Yes, the accused should have the presumption of innocence, and the right to bail, unless he is a threat to society or a flight risk. And a guy who jumped bail once already is definitely a flight risk.

      2. Dillinger   4 years ago

        >>considering his violent behavior and apparent propensity to resist arrest.

        and for skipping bail.

      3. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

        The battery was from trying to hit one of his baby mommas with a car. A k, or 10k, assuming the media confused the bond with what he had to cough up, seems awfully low, right?

        Shackford. Don't you dare disclaim responsibility. You and your employer have been advocating for exactly this kind of outcome for the last year or two. This is what bail reform leads to. You may be too stupid to realize that, but I guarantee the guy ultimately writing your checks is fully aware.

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      Ken, it was the gas guzzling, carbon polluting red SUV at fault here.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        That was the actually the take cnn took. Only detail given on the perpetrator was his car was an suv

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          All those paraders shouldn’t have been there and this would not have happened.

    3. Trollificus   4 years ago

      "The D.A.'s office has said that Darrell Brooks bail was set "inappropriately low.""

      So that's all taken care of.

  6. Dillinger   4 years ago

    >>An SUV plowed into a Christmas parade

    no.

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   4 years ago

      SUVs don't kill people, people do.

      1. Dillinger   4 years ago

        insert standard call for common sense SUV control

        1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

          Not gonna lie, I've seen quite a few SUVs that could have stood to be under better control. PICK A LANE, ASSHOLE!

          1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

            Hey! Karen! Yeah you. How about putting the fucking phone down while piloting the two and a half ton hunk of steel at 60 feet a second? Can your hopelessly-addicted to social-media-dopamine mind contemplate that fucking idea? Yes? Great. We'll all be grateful.

      2. Chumby   4 years ago

        If Rittenhouse had used an SUV instead, he wouldn’t have bern charged.

        1. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

          Not with any wheely big crimes, anyway.

  7. JeremyR   4 years ago

    People who wandered around the Capitol for a few hours taking selfies are so dangerous they must be kept in solitary confinement, but a violent career criminal who just ran over someone with his SUV poses no threat?

    The real problem with bail is that it exists. People are either potentially dangerous or they aren't. If they are, then no amount of bail makes sense. If they aren't, then again, bail doesn't make sense.

  8. JeremyR   4 years ago

    Also this a great example of "Conservatives pounce"

    Guy runs over multiple people at a Christmas parade and the real problem is conservatives complaining it was allowed to happen by a terrible justice system.

    Don't analyze why he might have done it (he seems to have hated white people), the real issue is conservative upset about it

    Anyway, it will soon be relegated to "local news"

    1. RabbiHarveyWeinstein   4 years ago

      What did you expect from a Koch brother's magazine?

      1. Dillinger   4 years ago

        better.

        1. Trollificus   4 years ago

          1997 called. It wants it's optimism back.

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

      Maybe because this case is an example of conservatives pouncing?

      You know how left-wingers sometimes take current events and twist them in order to shoe-horn them into their preferred policy positions? Well, right-wingers are doing that in this case.

      he seems to have hated white people

      He did?

      1. RabbiHarveyWeinstein   4 years ago

        He was a good boy just fleeing from a violent knife fight in his SUV.

      2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

        Principals, not principles. Don't judge someone by what they do. Judge them by their politics. That's what matters.

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          Tell us how Rittenhouse should be in jail for manslaughter again. Or how j6 protestors deserve 10 months in solitary with no bail.

          You have no fucking principles.

        2. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

          Tell us more about how Ashli Babbitt was a worthless cunt who deserved to be shot in the face while unarmed because she might have murdered Nanci Pelosi with her bare hands, you tankie child raping piece of shit. I can't wait until you meet the same fate as your tankie child raping buddy Joseph Rosenbaum. I only hope I'm the nigga who gets the privilege of shooting you.

          1. Trollificus   4 years ago

            +1, inflammatory, sincere

        3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          Principals, not principles.

          Also sarcasmic,

          "Mostly peaceful protests"

          "Jan6 was worse than 9/11"

          1. The Great Negro   4 years ago

            He just a lame troll.

      3. JesseAz   4 years ago

        And yet not one citation for conservatives pouncing. Weird.

        1. CE   4 years ago

          At least one Dem pounced though, to blame the victims for living in a state that granted KR a fair trial:

          https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-democrat-loses-job-after-saying-waukesha-tragedy-karma-after-rittenhouse-verdict/2691246/

      4. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

        You know how left-wingers sometimes take current events and twist them in order to shoe-horn them into their preferred policy positions?

        Yes, we've read all of your posts over the 10+ years you've been posting here, cytotoxic.

        Well, right-wingers are doing that in this case.

        So true! If they weren't such miserable racists they would focus on the braking system in Ford motor vehicles rather than a radical black nationalist deliberately running down 50 white people.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          Sarc hasn’t done anything that warrants using force on him.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            I disagree.

            sarcasmic
            August.24.2021 at 8:49 pm
            Flag Comment Mute User

            And yeah, if I was cooking broiler when you ordered yours MW, I'd find the fattiest, gristliest piece I could find and burn the shit out of it. Nothing personal, but if you want to ruin meat, you won't ruin good meat on my watch.

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              Just order a Cuban.

              1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                What is this foreign delectable you mention?

            2. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

              Ooooh, why did you bring this back. Burn the witch!

          2. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

            Yeah, he likes to run his faggot mouth and then dip like a pathetic pussy bitch when anyone accepts his constant empty threats of violence. cytotoxic does the same thing on his De Oppreso sock where he's supposed to be a Green Beret Navy SEAL Ranger 1st Airborne Regiment. I'll be right the fuck there the first time either one of the pathetic faggot bitches decides to actually man up and follow through on their bullshit though. I've invited both of them to meet me anywhere in the United States at their convenience.

            1. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

              Pradhoe Bay, AK?

      5. Azathoth!!   4 years ago

        he seems to have hated white people

        He did?

        Yes. It's all over his social media. Do some research before bloviating.

  9. tkamenick   4 years ago

    Forget bail, this guy has a rap sheet a mile long. He should have been in prison for a long time.

    1. RabbiHarveyWeinstein   4 years ago

      Oh look! Another racist libertarian trying to keep a Black man down.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Violent offenders spending time in prison instead of plowing through crowds. Perish the thought.

      2. Trollificus   4 years ago

        Well, by way of that "honest conversation about rape" people keep talking about; let me say "I dgaf".

        I'd be happy to contribute in some way to keeping that PoS down. This isn't gangbangers gangbangin', this isn't even honest old school mugging.

      3. ecs33   4 years ago

        Black men who want to mow down people with suv's can rot in jail.

  10. esteve7   4 years ago

    The left is more mad about a high school kid smiling awkwardly, a garage door handle, and a teenager defending himself against violent thugs than someone plowing their car to kill as many people as possible.

    White 17yo shoots and kills 3 white violent thugs trying to kill him = Racism.

    Black BLM supporter mows down white men, women and children = nothing to fucking see here.

    The media will incite a riot to burn down a school because students make the 3 point sign, they will declare people guilty and prevent them from defending themselves (when people were banned for supporting Rittenhouse and all crowdfunding sites blocked him), yet they will go above and beyond to ignore and downplay actual terrorism because it threatens their worldview.

    When will you realize these people are evil? They only care about power and their fanatical religion. If they spread lies, incite, and attempt to ruin all these other people's lives, they can and will do it to you

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      When will you realize these people are evil? They only care about power and their fanatical religion. If they spread lies, incite, and attempt to ruin all these other people's lives, they can and will do it to you

      I've cut out a lot of "respectable" lefty friends from my life for precisely this reason. They may not be criminal drug addicts like the Antifarts or black nationalists like BLM, but their enabling and excusing of that behavior indicates that they're perfectly happy to see mob violence being done to achieve their specific political agenda.

      I'm not looking forward to the day when I'll have to look across the line at them, but when it comes, I won't hesitate to treat them as the threat to my family, my community, and my safety that they are.

      1. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

        It's crazy how this is not-so-crazy talk anymore.

  11. perlhaqr   4 years ago

    Since Benson doesn't mention the Wisconsin parade event in that tweet, I'm not sure why it got mentioned in this article. I mean, other than that it was a republican talking about bail. I suppose two out of three elements to make it relevant to an article about the third element is pretty good, right?

  12. Liberty Lover   4 years ago

    Gee, I don't remember Reason being worried about Rittenhouse being locked up for over a year on charges he should never even been charged on as it was obvious self defense as the jury showed by acquitting on all charge.

    But career criminals, well known to the police the worry about. Never mind the severity of their crimes, never mind the number of their crimes. Rittenhouse was no threat to anyone else after that incident, this guy was.

    The Chisholm attorneys let the Christmas parade killer back on the street last week.
    And now we know that Darrel Brooks was released back on the street with a VERY LOW BAIL after he purposely RAN OVER A WOMAN with his car following a fight.
    That woman was his baby’s mother.

    Earlier today the media ran defense for this monster saying he was actually fleeing some sort of knife fight. We now know this was also a media lie.

    1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

      I dunno, I would believe this guy was in a knife fight before he ran over a bunch of people.

      1. Trollificus   4 years ago

        On a Monday? Mid-day?
        Absolutely. Not even surprising.

    2. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

      Rittenhouse would have rotted in jail until trial had Rick Schroeder not posted his bail. Reason was silent entirely. And these same criminal justice and bail reformers don't seem to give a runny shit about keeping people locked up for a year in solitary confinement getting beaten on a daily basis by the racist prison guards, to the point that one of them is now blind in one eye and permanently disabled. Real justice is giving out zero bail to black nationalist racist chimps while bringing to bear the entire federal government on elderly white people who walked through velvet ropes at the US capitol building while LEOs held the doors open. Well actually, real justice would have been opening fire on the crowd, but this is pretty close.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Rittenhouse wasn't locked up for a year, he had bail posted about three months after he turned himself in.

      Did you see his interview with Carlson? Apparently Lin Wood was trying to keep him in prison rather than bail him out because it was good for fundraising purposes, while the other lawyer was trying to get Rittenhouse hooked up with the Proud Boys.

      I mean, Jesus, as much as the defense team was helped by the prosecution's misfires during the trial, at least they weren't exploiting this kid for fame and money. Those idiots would have completely submarined Kyle's case and gotten him convicted.

  13. Hosers2   4 years ago

    Hell Scott; Ya forgot to mention that this murderer was out on bail for a charge of beating his wife and newborn and then RUNNING HER DOWN WITH HIS SUV.

    You also conveniently forgot to mention that this guy is a black racist, who posts hate on social media.

    1. RabbiHarveyWeinstein   4 years ago

      But can he drift too?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9SrebHplCQ

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      But jeff and sarc think this guy should be free unlike the white terrorist Rittenhouse.

      1. Trollificus   4 years ago

        There should be a betting pool.

        Which denizen of the progosphere will be first to ask "How did white supremacy and systemic racism so damage this poor Black man that he would make such a driving mistake?" Or words to that effect.

        Could be jeff or tony. Could be Joy Reid, dewey with sympathy for the poor blackamoor. Could be The View, with a 5-second "shame those people got run over BUT..." opening? Olbermann/Salon/Cenk trying to score by lauding Brooks as a hero?

        I would put up MSNBC as the most likely source for such spew, though CNN certainly tries.

        Also, I can see The Guardian or some other out of left (wing) field outlet coming up with that kind of crap.

  14. Steven Howard   4 years ago

    Writer calls this "incident" and "accident." Accident my ass; it was deliberate actions intended to kill those in the path of his deadly weapon, in this case a vehicle. The purpose of his murderous actions might have been to hope police would tend to those he wounded and killed and give up the chase, but no reasonable person could call this murderer's actions an accident.

  15. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

    It was bad luck to have a parade near this nuclear bomb. Normally they just murder the woman but yesterday the whole community got to eat it too. Keep the hate flowing and blame as many people as you can.

    1. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

      A racist dinger mass murdered white people, Jakie, so it looks like you've got something to be thankful for this Thanksgiving.

  16. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   4 years ago

    I... I really don't know what to say anymore... this can't be true, this cannot possibly be a libertarian website... the level of... I don't even know what to call it anymore, is unreal...

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      The Magazine is not libertarian. Much of the commentariat still is.

  17. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

    "But the movement to reduce the dependency on cash bail or eliminate it entirely is based on the idea of returning bail to its true purpose: to make sure that people who are charged with crimes behave appropriately while they're free and return to court to face their charges."

    Are you sure that everyone trying eliminate cash bail is that pure?

    Seems to me that some of them want to keep some people in prison without bail while letting others roam free with inadequate safeguards for their showing back up in court, etc.

    Congress allowed selective denial of bail in 1984 (yes, 1984). They weren't eliminating cash bail out of fairness to defendants (like purported Mafia members and...the J6 people).

    1. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

      SHUT UP CONSERVATARD! REAL LIBERTARIANS BELIEVE IN PARALLEL JUSTICE SYSTEMS BASED ON RACE AND POLITICAL AFFILIATION! YOU SHOULD BE MURDERED BY AN APACHE ATTACK HELICOPTER FOR SAYING LET'S GO BRANDON YOU DOMESTIC TERRORIST INSURRECTIONIST!!!!!!! WHY WON'T ANY STRONK BLACK MEN STICK THEIR COCK IN MY ASSHOLE!!!!???????!!!!!!!!!!!!??????!!!!!!!!!!!

      - sarcasmic

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        He actually posted something similar once during a meltdown.

        "sarcasmic
        September.9.2021 at 11:59 am
        I’M EVERYONE AND EVERYWHERE!!!!!!! I DONT EAT OR SHIT OR PISS OR FUCK OR NOTHING!!!!! ALL I DO IS POST UNDER MULTIPLE NAMES 24/7!!! I HAVEN’T BEEN TO THE BATHROOM IN WEEKS!!!!"

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          You won't take over the number 1 spot... so help me God.

          1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

            Think the serial name-changer's got you both beat. Damn!!

            I love it.

    2. Trollificus   4 years ago

      The REASON position on bail reminds me of their stance on education, which combines naivete with unwarranted optimism: "Oh it's really a GOOD thing the Teachers Unions are abusing children and parents because it will drive parents to seek market-oriented educational solutions." Riiight.

  18. Carl Cameron   4 years ago

    with conservatives tending to support the defendant and liberals tending to take the other side.

    There's a name for that other side. It calls itself "the State".

  19. Carl Cameron   4 years ago

    This is one of countless reason's I fucking hate "libertarians".
    You know what would happen to this mad dog killer in a stateless society? He'd already be swinging from a fucking rope, his corpse ripening for the buzzards.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      Why do you conciders the average moron that writes for reason a libritarian? Sure at some point, but they haven't published an article promoting something from libritarian beliefs since at least 2015

      1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

        Rommelmann and Stossel are good. Robby has his moments. Few and far between lately, admittedly.

  20. sarcasmic   4 years ago

    Leftist libertarian unreason criticizing conservatives!
    Eat a bullet leftist scum!
    Your mom was a hippie!
    You're a miracle of life because your dad's sperm was so stoned it didn't know where to go!
    It got lucky!
    If not for RvW you'd have been aborted!

    Don't!

    Criticize!

    Conservatives!

    Aaaauuuggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

    1. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

      Black Cocks Matter, right you cocksucking faggot little pussy bitch? How'd it feel to watch Rittenhouse get acquitted for plugging your tankie buddies like swiss cheese? I bet you popped all 2 inches of chub you've got when this valiant black hero struck a blow for justice by mass murdering white people right, bitch?

      1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

        When your woman fucks strangers in front of you, do you pay them to stop or to keep going?

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          So thats why you hate your ex.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            Even if sarcasmic's ex fucked a football team in front of him, I'd still suspect she was in the right.

            1. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

              More like the right was in her for the level of inebriated rage sarc holds.

        2. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

          When you can't get your microchode hard enough to rape your daughter, do you beat her up or blame the Indian pharmacy for sending you a bad batch of generic viagra?

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      So fucking broken. Talk to us about j6 and Rittenhouse again.

      1. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

        Only political partisan hacks determine guilt or innocence based on politics, and if you weren't such a white supremacist racist you'd realize that black cops killing unarmed white women is social and racial justice!

  21. Lionel Brach   4 years ago

    Deranged racist lunatic deliberately murders 5 white people and injures dozens of others, but the real story is CONSERVATIVES POUNCE on the fact he was out on $1,000 bail despite having a rap sheet as long as my arm, including multiple crimes of violence.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      Fuck that his rap sheet was as long as a CVS receipt

    2. ecs33   4 years ago

      Yea...it's really hard for progressives to spin this one.

  22. Longtobefree   4 years ago

    "But due to court conflicts, the court wasn't able to meet Brooks' demands for a speedy trial."

    So here is the real story, and not a bit of detail, follow up, or research by Scott.

    1. Trollificus   4 years ago

      As an American, I am truly ashamed Mr. Brooks received such shoddy service from our courts. I hope lowering his bail to "Just go, and slip us a $20 next time we see ya." will make up for it.

  23. JesseAz   4 years ago

    The use of this case to push bail reform is just stupid. Bail reform for non violent offenders and first time offenders make sense.

    This guy was already on bail (conditional release), violated those terms (given another light bail term) and promptly violated it again.

    Bail should be treated exactly like conditional sentencing. You fuck up again bail is revoked. Especially in cases of violence.

    Yet sarc and Jeff think no matter the crime or conditions being violated, the important thing is to attack conservatives. And they claim they aren't idiots.

    1. CE   4 years ago

      1,000 dollars for a guy who already jumped bail isn't just too low, it's absurd. 10,000 dollars would be too low.

      1. Trollificus   4 years ago

        Really. $1000 is like nod-and-a-wink bail. It's like being sentenced to mow the Judge's lawn for three months.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      You know the old saying "if you can't do the time, make sure your blm if your gonna do the crime"

  24. CE   4 years ago

    Ending cash bail is the wrong remedy. Cash bail is to help protect the rights of the accused, so no DA or judge can lock them up before trial indefinitely. If cash bail is ended, pre-trial freedom will be granted politically, not based on threat/flight level of the accused.

    Even California voters wisely rejected the end of cash bail.

  25. Chumby   4 years ago

    The hate speech pushed forth by Biden may have provoked this. The Gimpire Strikes Back.

  26. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

    Scott Shackford summarized:

    "Noooooooo, don't look at Waukesha. Look at this "conservative" on twitter instead, he's saying stuff"

    1. Kivlor   4 years ago

      How dare conservatives criticize ending cash bail, when they've witnessed several conservatives held as political prisoners over the last 18 months. The gall! And to top it off, they're upset about a man running a car into a crowd at a Christmas parade. Don't they understand that those people shouldn't have been there, because a Christmas parade violates the Establishment Clause? The parade was an attack on our democracy!

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Christmas parades are Christian Insurrection rallies.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

        Parades are racist. Except gay pride parades. And Juneteenth parades. Alright in the interest of brevity let's just stipulate that parades attended by cis gendered white people are racist.

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      The conservative he quotes isn't even about the incident.

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

    Somehow this is still the fault of white privilege. I mean, who else would put a "traditional parade" in the way of an oppressed black man in a hurry?

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      If white suburban soccer moms hadn’t demanded SUVs, thus could have never occurred.

  28. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

    $1,000 dollars bail on a charge of bail jumping for a guy already charged with various violence offenses?

    I hope everyone - conservative or otherwise - pounces on this.

    1. ecs33   4 years ago

      I paid more for underage possession of alcohol. Quite incredible

  29. H. Charles Foster, III   4 years ago

    Mr. Shackford, If I'm understanding your article then all of the Jan 6 arrestees were held illegally, as was Kyle Rittenhouse correct?
    Make no mistake, this douche in Waukesha that was let out needed held without bond. As do many of the other charged suspects and prisoners that have been released since the leftist so called "bail reform". They didn't reform it. They let all of the worst out and made political prisoners rot. Almost all conservatives believe high bail for minor drug offenses and non violent crimes are unjust but to say they shouldn't go against this lunatic blanket policy is incredulous. You're intellectually dishonest in your argument, as there were valid reasons for high bonds and cash bail: VIOLENT CRIMES, especially repeat offenders. Talk to the progressives (they're in both political parties) that go to the extremes and are responsible for the horrendous justice systems that are certainly out there and elicit snide from overbroad one size fits all centralized policies. That u.s the tak problem. Mainly in liberal leftist States. None of these systems, or progressive politicians who push them, advocate true conservative/libertarian values which are based wholly in Originalist Constitutional principles.

  30. Dan   4 years ago

    Using a tragedy to advance a cause is wrong. Using the Rittenhouse situation to advance the idea that America is and always will be a racist country. Using this tragedy to advance a position on the unfair application of cash bail. Both wrong, no matter who's doing it.

  31. The Great Negro   4 years ago

    “You bet my bail reforms will kill people”
    Waukesha DA John Chisholm 2007.

  32. Gregdn   4 years ago

    I agree with the thrust of the article, but c'mon- your timing sucks.

  33. J_West   4 years ago

    Bail "reform" has to be seen in light of the bigger picture: reducing theft from felony to misdemeanor status in CA, defunding the police, dropping charges against the 2020 rioters, tolerating homeless encampments on city streets, and etc. It's a Regime tactic to mobilize the criminal underclass as muscle against the middle class.

    Meantime, the Regime criminalizes self defense by charging people like Kyle Rittenhouse with homicide.

    Anarcho-tyranny in the USA...

  34. Titus PUllo   4 years ago

    Police today said they were not chasing Brooks. So why was he speeding through a parade at high speed? Why did he specifically drive into people? Maybe it isn't racist but maybe it is..the media needs to investigate.

  35. Djea3   4 years ago

    It is CLEAR, the issue is that foreign state warrants were ignored and that the repeated violence of the perpetrator was ignored.
    Bail is NOT the issue. The entire ability of government to handle its responsibility IS the issue.
    2A is part of the answer. Accountability by attorneys, judges and the entire system is part of the answer. When I say accountability, I mean financially and CRIMINALLY liable.
    The judge and both attorneys that allowed this scumbag on the street when there were SEXUAL PREDATOR Charges against him in another state are inexcusable. They all belong in PRISON along with the police department person responsible for the background check and warrants. All should be in jail for at least 20 years. That is the ONLY way that this will end.

  36. rbike   4 years ago

    Official police report.
    https://www.waukeshacounty.gov/globalassets/circuit-courts/2021cf001848-comp7347101.pdf
    Slowed down and sped up. Aiming at people.

  37. ecs33   4 years ago

    NVM all the looting out west.

    This problem is like inflation. Not a switch you can just turn on and off. It will be a slow rot, and when you wake up and finally admit there is a problem, the solution will require 5-10 years of pain.

    The progressives are flirting with insanity.

  38. Wygent03   4 years ago

    Rather than trying to sort out the cash bail puzzle, how about we just abolish Absolute Immunity for Judges and Qualified Immunity for DAs and Attorney's General and their deputies. If judges faced the possibility of criminally negligent homicide for releasing violent felons back into the community there would be a LOT less of this kind of ridiculousness.

  39. Naime Bond   4 years ago

    Huh? The goal is to make sure the court system focuses on people like Brooks. They DID focus on him but still let him go back on the streets; and now he is charged with intentional homicide. But even six are dead, the parents and family of the deceased should resist assigning blame to those in charge of the system?

  40. XM   4 years ago

    Conservatives aren't going to flip out if bail for some kid who stole a sneakers bar is set at $150. Bail shouldn't even exist for that kind of case.

    Bail reform isn't some woke / incompetent DA deciding "I'll let criminals walk free because jails are racist". DAs in several big cities are no longer interested in enforcing the law when it comes to CERTAIN people of color or political persuasion.

    A local SF tv station reported that some of the thieves who are looting union station luxury stores are repeat offenders. There are almost as many repeat offenders killing and hurting innocent people as those who are suffering in jail needlessly. Reason belongs to the other end of the spectrum in not exploring this issue from multiple angles.

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