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Bernie Sanders

Why Does Bernie Sanders Think Billionaires Should Get Out of Space?

Today's highly successful space race "is not something for two billionaires to be directing," says Sanders, who favors the government spending taxpayer money to do the same damn thing (but more slowly).

Liz Wolfe | 11.19.2021 10:05 AM

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In his 1982 high school graduation speech, Amazon founder and Blue Origin CEO Jeff Bezos regaled the audience with his pie-in-the-sky aspirations of building space hotels, amusement parks, and yachts to populate extraterrestrial colonies. Merely four decades later, he hasn't quite achieved his lofty goal, but he launched himself (and friends) into space via his self-funded space company—something that hadn't seemed possible for pretty much the entirety of human existence, up until a mad-dash billionaire traffic jam earlier this year.

Not so shabby given that space used to be only the province of astronauts who'd completed years of training, a select few of whom would eventually be lucky enough to see this pale blue dot from high up above. Now, it's for Bezos, and Virgin Galactic CEO Richard Branson, and Captain Kirk/William Shatner. But no longer, if Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) gets his way.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: "It is not acceptable that the two wealthiest people in this country, Mr. Musk and Mr. Bezos, take control of our space efforts to return to the Moon, […]This is not something for two billionaires to be directing." pic.twitter.com/Bi4VcXi08T

— The Hill (@thehill) November 18, 2021

"Frankly, it is not acceptable…that the two wealthiest people in this country, Mr. [Elon] Musk and Mr. Bezos, take control of our space efforts to return to the moon," said Sanders in a Senate floor speech criticizing components of the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act, which might include a $10 billion government contract awarded to Blue Origin. "This is not something for two billionaires to be directing; this is something for the American people to be determining."

It's fair to be critical of the market-distorting effects that public-private partnerships between NASA and commercial space exploration companies may have (just as it's fair to be critical of the way these companies' satellite internet projects routinely sic the Federal Communications Commission on each other in attempts to suppress competition). But he's not really fixating on that part when criticizing the bill on the Senate floor, instead launching yet another jeremiad against rich guys and their cool rockets.

In Sanders' flawed view of the world, billionaires cause the problems and central planners cough up the solutions—contra observable, real-world results.

Competition in the realm of non-NASA rocket development "has reduced the typical space launch cost by a factor of 20," according to a 2018 analysis that compared the cost of a SpaceX Falcon 9 launch to a NASA launch. There's good reason to believe that the course charted by commercial air travel—initially expensive, lengthy, less safe, and reserved for the elite few—will be mimicked by commercial space travel. Given this, there's no reason why the government, already deep in the hole, should be the only one authorized to pay for ambitious projects. Competition drives prices down; if a bunch of billionaires have cash that's burning holes in their pockets, it's good for them to spend it on astral passion projects. Those projects often result in spinoff technologies that eventually trickle down to regular consumers, or solve Earth's most vexing problems.

As I wrote in July:

NASA fans constantly tell us [that] the agency's spinoff technologies have improved the world. Sensors developed to measure and remove harmful moon dust have since been used to better detect air pollution here on Earth; advances in aerodynamics have made semi-trucks faster and more fuel-efficient than before; a more durable polymer material developed by NASA scientists is now used for hip replacements. It's easier than ever to get hot water on demand, to fly airplanes, and to get a life raft that will actually deliver you to safety if you're stranded at sea.

But a scientist need not be a public employee to make discoveries that better mankind. Musk and Bezos are competing to develop a satellite internet service that could drastically improve internet access and speed for unserved parts of the globe. SpaceX has been focused on improving the reusability of rocket components (while spending a fraction of what it would cost NASA to put similar rockets into flight), making space exploration cheaper and less wasteful.

Sanders tells on himself when he says that the space race "is not something for two billionaires to be directing; this is something for the American people to be determining." Note the difference between directing and determining; it's fine (albeit implausible) for the American people to tell their representatives they desperately want them to prioritize space exploration. But they can determine all they want without having the capacity to see the project through or the ability to inspire government efficiency. Joe the plumber can't execute on this project, start to finish, but Elon Musk legitimately can.

The state has far more money than anyone. But they are behind SpaceX, because tech isn't capital-limited, it's competence-limited.

After all, who knows more about rocket science — politicians or Musk? https://t.co/WQcbTCCLhj

— Balaji (@balajis) November 18, 2021

It's fashionable to snipe at billionaires for their frivolous-seeming pursuits, and Sanders has been yapping at Musk on Twitter for weeks now, probably recognizing that it plays well with his audience. But it's wrong for sitting senators to deny that the new space race is here, and it's awesome, and it just might deliver unforeseen benefits far beyond our wildest imaginations if we give it some time.

Speaking for myself, if socialists of any sort get their way and force me to stand in bread lines, pay exorbitant tax rates, or pledge allegiance to the Sandinistas, I relish my ability to someday flash a cosmo-passport, launch off this mortal coil, and take up residence on the moon. Sanders and his socialist pals would be both the ones creating the problem and the ones standing in the way, forcing people to remain forever trapped on this lame, politician-ransacked blue dot.

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    Bernie failed to stop the Wright brothers at Kitty Hawk and hopefully he fails at stopping Musk too.

    1. creech   4 years ago

      "If man was meant to fly, the Supreme Being would have given him wings." Sen. Bernie "do as I say not as I do" Sanders

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        If man was meant to fly, God would have given him wings, but we need to take from the rich to give to the poor because God didn't give everyone equally.

      2. The Great Negro   4 years ago

        Except that his supreme being is government.

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  3. Jerryskids   4 years ago

    We all know why Bernie hates Jeff Bezos so much.

    1. Kungpowderfinger   4 years ago

      Brilliant.

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      https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0674076087/reasonmagazinea-20/

  4. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    Ah, Bernie Sanders. The guy definitely serves his purpose. Convince low-info poor voters that "the left" in this country is anti-billionaire — even though those of us who pay attention know that Democrats are objectively the pro-billionaire party.

    #VoteDemocratToHelpElonMusk
    #OBLsFirstLaw

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

      Crude oil for December delivery is down another $2 today.

      You have a good memory OBL. When gas is less than $3/gal in January remind everyone that I said this phony inflation bullshit was just that.

      1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

        Yup. Literally the only item that has increased in price is smokeless tobacco — by a mere $0.10 per pouch.

        #InflationIsAWingnutMyth

        1. Petercj   4 years ago

          You’re so deep in Egyptian river water - you’re drowning and don’t even know it! It’s easy to get out of Denial In this case – go to the grocery store!

          1. NOYB2   4 years ago

            Whoosh

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

      In fact OBL you recall my prediction that the Con Man would lose in 2020 due to a shitty economy.

      I'm now predicting a recession in 2021 that sweeps the GOP into both the House and Senate with large majorities.

      gas price mid 2022 will be $2.60 and no one will mention HAPERINFLATION all year.

      1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

        Indeed, I recall your prediction: The tariffs will set off a harsh recession in 2020 and [Drumpf] will be gone anyway.

        Which, of course, is exactly what happened. All economic problems in 2020 were 100% Drumpf's fault. Absolutely would not have happened with Clinton in the White House.

        But I still think 2022 will be a #BlueWave. 🙂

      2. Overt   4 years ago

        "When gas is less than $3/gal in January remind everyone that I said this phony inflation bullshit was just that."

        No, I'd rather remind you that you said Inflation would settle down to 2% this last quarter...A prediction that you were absolutely wrong on.

        "I'm now predicting a recession in 2021 that sweeps the GOP into both the House and Senate with large majorities."

        Oh, what about the sun tomorrow, SPB? Is it going to rise in the east? Any other daring risky predictions from you?

    3. Hank Phillips   4 years ago

      Musk's retort to the decaying looter was pure Howard Roark to Ellsworth Toohey. Bernie would barbwire everyone into rebuilt Auschwitz-Birkenau "common-good before the individual good" collectivism camps, gaping helplessly as the next dinosaur-killer comet approaches. Voters get the justice they deserve...

  5. sarcasmic   4 years ago

    Sanders tells on himself when he says that the space race "is not something for two billionaires to be directing; this is something for the American people to be determining."

    Government is The People while billionaires are thieves who rob the poor to fund their childish dreams. Yeesh.

    1. Hank Phillips   4 years ago

      So government is no longer a monopoly on the legal use of deadly force? Not since young Kyle bagged some looters?

  6. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

    Because Bernie is an idiot?

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

      short version works

  7. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    "Sen. Bernie Sanders: "It is not acceptable that the two wealthiest people in this country, Mr. Musk and Mr. Bezos, take control of our space efforts to return to the Moon, […]This is not something for two billionaires to be directing." pic.twitter.com/Bi4VcXi08T

    — The Hill (@thehill) November 18, 2021"

    This is about Elon Musk making an ass of Bernie Sanders on Twitter last week, when Musk said he often forgets that Bernie Sanders even exists.

    Bernie Sanders was trying to tax the unrealized capital gains of Elon Musk, among others, in order to pay for his Green New Deal programs in the BBB.

    That was rightly called out as ridiculous--by reasonable people everywhere--since Musk is doing more to fight climate change with Tesla than Bernie Sanders' big government programs.

    Bernie Sanders is literally lashing out at the solution to the problem because Bernie Sanders isn't part of the solution. It's about as petty as it possibly could be.

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      since Musk is doing more to fight climate change with Tesla than Bernie Sanders' big government programs

      Devil's advocate/good faith opposition(?): Lockdowns rather definitively reduced CO2 further than Tesla probably ever will.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        The lockdowns only last for a little while.

        Musk's efforts at Tesla have been transformative for the entire auto industry--world wide--and that transformation may last forever.

        1. perlhaqr   4 years ago

          > The lockdowns only last for a little while.

          Optimist.

    2. Kungpowderfinger   4 years ago

      Bernie Sanders is literally lashing out at the solution to the problem because Bernie Sanders isn't part of the solution

      Being that the shit heel has been an elected official for the last 40 years, it’s safe to say he’s definitely not part of any solution to anything.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        +1

      2. perlhaqr   4 years ago

        With a strong enough acid, he could be part of a solution.

    3. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

      Bernie Sanders is literally lashing out at the solution to the problem because Bernie Sanders isn't part of the solution

      Not exactly. He's lashing out at them because, like all lefturds, he despises achievement. Their success enrages him since he knows he could never achieve what they have, even in ten thousand sniveling, power-grubbing lifetimes.

      -jcr

  8. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

    "Bernie Sanders is literally lashing out at the solution to the problem because Bernie Sanders isn't part of the solution."

    I think that, in essence, is the whole point of Marxism: Control. And of course it's twin sibling, power.

    1. Hank Phillips   4 years ago

      There are 3 definitions of power. The one Bernie's gang wants is the time derivative of the ability to kill lots of people. The one Luis Alvarez offered is much like the clout one gains by voting libertarian instead of endorsing the coercive Kleptocracy and its takers, not makers.

  9. Jerry B.   4 years ago

    "This is not something for two billionaires to be directing; this is something for the American people to be determining."

    I'm part of the American people, and I say, go to it guys.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

      Of course "American People" is a euphemism. not for us but for what we pay/ are on the hook for. Namely slimy parasitic politicians who look down upon such populist notions. As does virtually everyone in the media.

  10. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

    I bet Jack Dorsey laughs his ass off whenever a politician uses Twitter to complain about billionaires.

    1. Petercj   4 years ago

      I don’t think Jack Dorsey has that much introspection.

  11. raspberrydinners   4 years ago

    Nothing short of comical to focus on this for Sanders and conveniently gloss over the fact he's one of the lone sane voices in the Senate arguing against sending 750 billion more to the military industrial complex, yearly.

    Or should we do what the bullshit media does and say "the 7.5 trillion we give to the military".

    If you had any scruples you'd at least write an article detailing that but hey- I'm sure the Koch knob gobblers don't want to actually change anything of consequence. Government giving millions and billions to private companies is right in line with your ethos directed from on high.

    1. Earnesto Concernada   4 years ago

      As a socialist, I agree with democrats that we need. Strong military. We just need to use it for the right purpose: dealing with our domestic enemies here at home.

      1. Union of Concerned Socks   4 years ago

        Are you my long-lost Spanish brother?

        1. Brian   4 years ago

          Excuse me, but I’m more American than most of the white people here. My people were first.

          1. NOYB2   4 years ago

            And by “my people”, you mean white genocidal imperialist Spaniards? Or white genocidal totalitarian imperialist human sacrificing Aztec? Or the white Stone Age slave holding mass murdering collectivist savages that exterminated much of the North American fauna? Just curious. And then you can explain why Americans should give a f@ck.

    2. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

      he's one of the lone sane voices in the Senate arguing against sending 750 billion more to the military industrial complex,

      That would be admirable if he had any intention of letting the taxpayers keep that money, but he just wants it spent on different boondoggles.

      -jcr

  12. Dillinger   4 years ago

    >>Frankly, it is not acceptable

    is there a why to this or is he just Khrushcheving?

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

      Shoes on deck.

  13. Ajsloss   4 years ago

    "I relish my ability to someday flash a cosmo-passport, launch off this mortal coil, and take up residence on the moon."

    The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.

  14. Nemo Aequalis   4 years ago

    I think what pisses off Sanders and other socialists about space travel is the possibility that a substantial number of people might decide they can do very well without them and their shit and head off to the moon or Mars. Somebody's decided we're not all in this together? The nerve!

    I hope the billionaires do build themselves a nice resort on Mars, forever out of the reach of entitled, ankle-biting parasites like Sanders who think they have a say in directing the disposal of the fruits of other people's accomplishments.

    Further, I hope they rub it in by broadcasting videos of themselves at wild parties and orgies as a big fat middle finger to the blood-suckers.

    Give these pricks a boot in the face whenever the opportunity offers.

    1. The Glibertine Party   4 years ago

      You seem happy.

  15. Brian   4 years ago

    Bernie Sanders speaks on behalf of the butthurt who can’t be responsible for anything substantial and think that’s totally unfair.

    “This is not something for two billionaires to be directing; this is something for the American people to be determining."

    Go do it, or get out of the way.

    1. Tony   4 years ago

      Go do what? Fly to almost-space in a giant dildo?

      Like it or not, the only entities to do that first were governments. And they didn't even have a good reason.

      1. Petercj   4 years ago

        We would still be in a perfect social paradise if only that jack ass had not started that waste for playing with that fire business, and then that jerk with the wheel, And that other ass with the flint blades.

        We could’ve used all that effort and energy feeding the other poor caveman, think of how better off we would all be!

      2. Brian   4 years ago

        When it came to caring about space first, the government came first, and chasing the stars is a good thing.

        When it comes to caring about space today, billionaires come first, and chasing the stars is evil.

        Whatever, butthurt losers.

        1. Tony   4 years ago

          Haha, you think Elon Musk is on your team.

          The thing about autistics with delusions of grandeur is that they don't give a fuck about you.

          1. NOYB2   4 years ago

            Thats is still better than governments,who don't give a fuck about me and also actively want to hurt me.

          2. Earnesto Concernada   4 years ago

            And Joe Biden doesn’t give a fuck about you. He doesn’t know you exist. He doesn’t care what you think. All you are is an increment to a tally.

            The difference is: I haven’t been conned into devoting my life to support Elon Musk’s career advancement, as if my life depends on it.

            I’m just a guy who identifies with being hated for my success. I feel for him, that’s all.

            I really don’t know why you do what you do. If you can relate to Joe Biden, I feel sorry for you.

            1. Tony   4 years ago

              Joe Biden is the president of the United States. I realize that office has been shat upon by greasy scumball grifters of late, but I don't think the comparison is enlightening in any way. Joe Biden is pushing policies that help Americans materially. I know you don't believe that because teh commoonizum or whatever, but whatever.

              If you're "hated for your success," you can always just enjoy the success and leave the psychobabble to professionals. Maybe it will lower your blood pressure.

              If you want extra credit, you could realize that every moment of your life, from birth to your so-called success, is an accident of the cosmos, that your assumptions about your agency are wildly exaggerated, and that you live on a speck of dust in a vast, uncaring cosmos of perhaps infinite scope.

              If you took that perspective, maybe it wouldn't offend you so if a tiny portion of the resources of earth were used to feed starving children instead of giving you a tax cut.

      3. NOYB2   4 years ago

        Governments had an excellent reason for space flight: to disguise the development of wmds, as a fig leaf for massive subsidies to the MIC and pork spending, and as propaganda tools.

        All policies you approve of of course.

  16. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

    It is not acceptable that a fool and a busybody grifter such as Bernie Sanders is a US Senator, bur there is not much one can do about it.

  17. Eeyore   4 years ago

    I billionaires can't go to space, can we prevent millionaires from going to Congress?

    1. CE   4 years ago

      With Biden's inflation, we're all going to be millionaires soon.

      1. Eeyore   4 years ago

        Broke ass millionaires.

      2. Eeyore   4 years ago

        If we get true hyperinflation; not just super shitty 10% a year inflation, we might get to all become billionaires even.

  18. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

    "If it don't say CCCP it aint for me." - Comrade Sanders

  19. Azathoth!!   4 years ago

    NOT GUILTY in kenosha

  20. Hank Phillips   4 years ago

    Genuine scientist Luis Alvarez has proven that a comet or asteroid smaller than Manhattan or Tinian could and probably will eventually wipe out all species higher than hagfish if looters like Bernie keep us from colonizing Luna and some distant planet. The guy is the walking embodiment of Wesley Mouch or Jim Taggart as advocate of sacrifice and death (rather than life and happiness) as the standard of altruistic value. As the Lucifer's Hammer bolide approaches, I'd hate to be one of Bernie or Whutzername's overt enablers.

  21. David Emami   4 years ago

    I will happily contribute to a fund to send Sanders into space, and not bring him back.

  22. WuzYoungOnceToo   4 years ago

    Why Does Bernie Sanders Think

    I've seen little evidence to support the assertion that Sanders (or his supporters) think at all.

  23. Tony   4 years ago

    I don't know what Bernie's convoluted reasoning is, but my reasoning is that Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are demonstrably stupid people who have no business commanding such a vast portion of the earth's resources.

    You can be smart and lucky and make billions of dollars. But you aren't going to be smart about everything. That is a central fallacy of market worshipers. Sometimes making money required 1 part smarts and 9 parts psychopathy. I mean, have you ever heard Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos speak? They are fucking morons.

    1. Petercj   4 years ago

      Yes These millionaires billionaires are foolish, I can’t even count how many faults, how much hubris, how much arrogance and outright stupidity they have.

      And they’re still leagues better than anything with a bureaucracy or a committee.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        Or tony.

        1. Petercj   4 years ago

          Yes, or tony.

    2. NOYB2   4 years ago

      But you aren't going to be smart about everything. That is a central fallacy of market worshipers

      To the contrary: us market worshippers like markets precisely because it punishes people who are wrong and prevents them from wasting more money.

      That’s unlike government and politicians, who can be wrong forever and just don’t get punished for it.

      1. Tony   4 years ago

        I don't think market outcomes determine anything about human morality or intelligence.

        Unless you think eating a McMuffin is the acme of enlightenment.

        1. CE   4 years ago

          Market outcomes do reveal what people want and are willing to pay for though.

          In a free market, wealth accrues to those who are the best at creating what people want, at the lowest cost in resources used. With the accrued wealth, they can create even more wealth, or invest in others with ideas and energy to create new sources of wealth.

          In a socialist society, any wealth generated goes to the Party members leading the mob, who are good at making promises and threatening everyone with equality. It discourages entrepreneurs from making the effort, and cuts any economic growth they could have generated off at the knees.

          The free market society grows ever richer, with the economic growth enjoyed by all, and more so by those who generate it. The socialist society stagnates and keeps everyone miserable, everyone except the Party insiders who skim the cream off the top for themselves.

        2. NOYB2   4 years ago

          Correct: market outcomes don’t “determine” anything. Rather, market outcomes reflect the preferences of Americans through voluntary, non-coercive means.

          That’s as opposed to government policies or mandates, in which (these days) unelected elites use authoritarian means to impose their preferences on their subjects, usually while deluding themselves into thinking that they are entitled to do this due to their supposedly superior intelligence.

          1. Tony   4 years ago

            By "unelected elites" using "authoritarian means," do you mean popularly elected representatives writing legislation?

            1. NOYB2   4 years ago

              No, I mean the people who install their favorite political cronies in government, who manipulate public opinion, and/or who are lifetime public sector employees.

      2. CE   4 years ago

        government and politicians get rewarded for failure -- more bailouts, bigger budgets, since the first pass clearly wasn't funded well enough to succeed....

    3. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

      Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are demonstrably stupid people

      Wow, you've said some incredibly stupid things in your time, but that just might take the cake.

      Musk and Bezos didn't inherit their money or steal it from the taxpayers, lefturd. STFU and stop embarrassing yourself.

      -jcr

  24. TJJ2000   4 years ago

    "Sell off your accomplishments to the [WE] foundation; because YOU don't own you ..... [WE] own you!!!"

    Says every single National Socialist (syn; Nazi). How such treasonous people get elected to represent people in congress is beyond me.

    1. NOYB2   4 years ago

      The greed of the American voter combined with propaganda and corruption.

  25. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

    Billionaires! In! Spaaaaace!

  26. CE   4 years ago

    Greedy socialist, always wanting to take someone else's money.

  27. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

    Who fucking cares what that geriatric commie prick thinks about what people do with money that they earned and he didn't?

    -jcr

  28. GroundTruth   4 years ago

    Here you have it: Bernie simply believes that everything should be run by government - full stop.

  29. voluntaryist   4 years ago

    "Burned out Bernie" is a joke! We could parody him, but he is a parody of himself.

  30. The Glibertine Party   4 years ago

    > if a bunch of billionaires have cash that's burning holes in their pockets

    what about taxing the shit out of them

  31. Utkonos   4 years ago

    Bernie has squatters rights when it comes to deciding who can travel to the moon. He’s been VRAiMENT dans la lune for decades now!

  32. atisang   4 years ago

    https://atisang.com/blog/Persian-Newsletter/P295-green-marble.html

    https://atisang.com/blog/Persian-Newsletter/P292-sang-divar.html

  33. atisang   4 years ago

    https://b2n.ir/m74650

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  34. atisang   4 years ago

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  35. atisang   4 years ago

    https://b2n.ir/b96510
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  36. atisang   4 years ago

    https://atisang.com/building-stone/
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  37. atisang   4 years ago

    https://atisang.com/article/slab/
    https://atisang.com/Granite/

  38. Blobbert   4 years ago

    The answer is simple: Socialialism, by definition, controls all commerce through centralized government. Top down inefficiency is a joke. Saunders wants everything under the Jack boot of the collective; the collective being centralized government - presuming to serve the people it strictly dominates. If you destroy freedom, as per Saunders, you destroy creativity and prosperity.

  39. Hank Phillips   4 years ago

    Sanders understands that people will go anywhere--Luna, Mars, Titan, the Lesser Magellanic Cloud--to flee socialism, so why make it possible?

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