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Government Spending

Inflation Will Make Government Budget Problems Worse

The cost of interest on the national debt will soon be a huge chunk of change.

Bruce Yandle | 11.11.2021 1:30 PM

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Inflation is a hot topic now, with comments from Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell looking like veiled hints as to when (no longer if) the Fed will get serious about hitting the monetary brakes to slow the economy. Until recently, inflation was described as transitory, or just passing through. But at some point, as the days flutter by, the story has to change. Transitory? Temporary? Or had we better get used to it?

Now, Fed commentators and others are suggesting price levels will rise into 2022. There can be no doubt that we have inflation and that the Fed can clobber the economy to purge it, but some basic questions remain to be addressed: What's so bad about it? Can't we just learn to live with it? What needs to change?

The Data

Yes, inflation is real. The all-item consumer price index (CPI) was up more than 5 percent on a year-over-year basis for July, August, and September, and now shows a 6.2 percent increase for October—the largest jump since 1990. The Fed considers 2 percent inflation to be its bright-line monetary policy goal. Obviously, there is a large gap between that and what we are seeing on the ground.

Estimates by independent scholars using high-frequency credit and debit card data, in an effort to capture actual purchasing patterns, suggest the increases for 2021 are understated by as much as 0.7 percentage points. With CPI data applied, the millions receiving Social Security payments can look forward to a corresponding 5.9 percent increase to their checks in 2022, the largest in decades.

Price levels measured by the producer price index, which partly foretell what is on the way, are up even more; these show an 8.6 percent year-over-year increase for September and for October, the largest since the series started in 2010.

It's not just a U.S. phenomenon, though U.S. inflation outpaces inflation in the eurozone and G-20 countries. This means that the dollar should remain relatively weak against those currencies. Other things equal, it makes our exports stronger and imports weaker.

And while a few key items—energy, rent, and used cars—are frequently called out, an analysis of the price movements in the July personal consumption expenditures index (PCEI), which is the Fed's preferred inflation measuring rod, shows 84 percent of included items rising. The September PCEI was up 4.4 percent on a year-over-year basis, having risen from 4 percent in June, registering the largest monthly increase since October 1990.

The Bigger Problem

Individuals whose salaries, wages, Social Security payments, and even mortgage interest or rental rates are automatically adjusted for inflation have much less to worry about than their neighbors on fixed salaries, who must cope with ballooning grocery bills or pay twice as much at the pump. On these grounds, inflation may be devastating for some and almost meaningless for others. These gaps widen as inflation gets worse.

Another worry is that inflation can be a burden for people living in states with sharply graduated income taxes, who find themselves hit with a heavier tax bill if their income tracks with inflation and rises a bit. Seven U.S. states have no broad-based income tax, three have a flat rate, and the rest rise with income.

Although this is all quite serious and should be avoided, there is yet another serious matter: The rate of inflation gets captured in interest rates that borrowers must pay, especially for longer-term debt. Lenders hope to be paid back with at least as much purchasing power. If they believe inflation will tick away at 4 percent, interest rates tend to rise with this baked-in expectation.

In any case, higher interest rates mean higher interest costs on all forms of public and private debt. As a result, mortgage rates will rise, all forms of construction will suffer, and businesses will postpone making large investments in plants and equipment.

Now consider the public debt—especially the federal debt that ballooned from large deficits in recent years. (In 2020, federal revenues were $3.4 trillion and spending was $6.6 trillion.) The interest cost of the national debt in 2008 was $253 billion and remained at about that level through 2015. Even though the debt doubled in those years, sharply falling interest rates and low inflation worked to contain costs.

But that was yesterday. With today's higher inflation and rising interest rates (perhaps with more to come), the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates the interest cost of public debt to be $413 billion in 2021. Obviously, any dollar spent on interest cannot be spent on government benefits and services to taxpayers.

What's Next?

Looking ahead, the CBO expects much of the same. For 2026, the interest rate on the 10-year Treasury projects to 2.6 percent versus the current 1.5 percent, with the interest cost of the debt rising to $524 billion. For 2030, it's 2.8 percent and $829 billion, respectively.

Now, we are talking about real money. Just to put $829 billion into perspective, in 2020, the United States spent $714 billion on defense, $769 billion on Medicare, and $914 billion on all nondefense discretionary spending. Back-of-the-envelope calculations strongly suggest that some spending categories will have to give.

Finally, we come to the heart of the issue. The United States is experiencing an inflationary surge caused fundamentally by the injection into the economy of trillions of dollars—stimulus and other spending—without an accompanying production of goods and services that might be purchased with the new dollars. It's rising demand plus troubled supply.

These forces will be with us until the stimulus dollars work their way through the economy and the federal government stops printing more money. It's painful to large categories of people and beneficial to only a few. Those seeking to borrow or who don't have their wages adjusted must cut back, manage resources, and find ways to conserve cash.

As the process continues, our government—the source of inflation in the first place—will face hard choices when paying for past and future deficits and rising debt. And that, as they say, is when the rubber will hit the road.

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Bruce Yandle is a distinguished adjunct fellow with the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, dean emeritus of the Clemson College of Business and Behavioral Sciences, and a former executive director of the Federal Trade Commission.

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  1. JFree   4 years ago

    Jerome Powell looking like veiled hints as to when (no longer if) the Fed will get serious about hitting the monetary brakes to slow the economy.

    A real profile in courage. 'Veiled hints' after close to 25 YEARS of distorting and subsidizing interest rates in order to create asset bubbles and encourage govt debt?

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

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    3. West Texas   4 years ago

      The asset bubbles were certainly welcomed, and probably a little bit encouraged, but the main reason for low interest rates has been to facilitate government spending. That's now tyrants roll. It's the whole reason we have 100% fiat currency in the first place, so they can buy votes, and it's why inflation exploded in the 1970's in response too Nixon's decision to take us off the gold standard.

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  2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    Inflation is a myth. Any website claiming otherwise is by definition wingnut.com.

    #DefendBidenAtAllCosts

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      There is only inflation for Spittin’ Tabbacey , or so I’m told.

      1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

        And even then, it's only gone up like 10 cents per pouch.

        #ThePriceOfLegitimateFoodHasntBudged

        1. CE   4 years ago

          ...the July personal consumption expenditures index (PCEI), which is the Fed's preferred inflation measuring rod, shows 84 percent of included items rising.

          So no WIDESPREAD inflation then....

          1. daveca   4 years ago

            NO inflation period.

            Its a LIE.

            The Left Wing media ran this INFLATION LIE back in 2012 to try and cover for Obozos disastrous economy and all the Digital Funny Money the Govt created out of thin air.

            The lie? That PRICE INCREASES were the result of INFLATION.

            Only MORONS that have never read a book on Economics would believe the lie.

            Prices were going up then at the time INFLATION WAS AT A HISTORICAL LOW OF 0.8 - 1.2 % OR SO according to the BLS Inflation Calculator. (2012)

            The LIE, then and now, is that price rises are, or are the result of inflation.

            A lie.

            Milton Friedman says " inflation is everywhere a MONETARY PHENOMENON". Money supply, NOT PRICE LEVELS that are ARBITRARILY manipulated ( raised).

            It IS NOT price increases. In Macroeconomics, its excess MONEY NOT PUT INTO THE ECONOMY.

            If the excess is NOT put into the economy it can NOT affect prices.

            To cover up this LIE, they have falsified the BLS calculator to hide inflation and claim that its due to prices.

            Theyre LYING.

            Whats happening is the digital non- money created during the Obama Disaster is still in play. It is NOT money, Forbes Magazine, in Nov. 2011 ran an article on how it was computer credits to banks, not real money.

            In 2009, the Denver Federal Reserve Chair said if they didnt claw that fake money back, there would be a DISASTER.

            They didnt. And now the Biden economic disaster IS PUTTING IT INTO THE ECONOMY.

            Its welfare payments.

            And its causing the predicted disaster.

            1. daveca   4 years ago

              ...theyre artificially raising prices to try and ' soak up' ( my phrasing) this excess Digital non- Money.

              Friedmans book Money Mischief says the Chi Coms did similar in 1936 when the were voted in power and CRASHED THE CURRENCY to deal with Chinas economic woes.

              Bidens doing the same thing.

              1. daveca   4 years ago

                See Forbes Mag. 11 2011 on the Money Printing Myth.

    2. Dillinger   4 years ago

      dear lord those woven-leather belts we wore in 1990

    3. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

      Hot dogs came down in price, amirite?

      1. daveca   4 years ago

        2010 or so...a can of tuna went from 34 to 75 cents near us while inflation was at a record low.

    4. Chumby   4 years ago

      Buttplug hasn’t increased the prices he charges Jared for the…merchandise. Therefore, there is no inflation!

    5. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      ButtPlug lost his life partner to HAPERINFLATION. Her valve stem snapped and she flew out the window.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        He switched to his other toy: a tangerine colored dildo that he interchangeably refers to as Donnie Boy, Trump in the rump and orange man oh-so-good.

      2. daveca   4 years ago

        I wish hed catch a bus...by the bicycle rack...

    6. spiggot   4 years ago

      Inflation is a myth. Any website claiming otherwise is by definition wingnut.com.

      You missed the daily politburo briefing. Our stance has pivoted a bit. Inflation is good, even desirable or, at the very least, a side-effect of success. But in spite of it's being good, if you want it to stop, you have to wholeheartedly support the Democratic party program. The people who deny this are ignorant about real economics and don't know about the multiplier effect. Economists with PhD's assure us that people getting free money for childcare will be 10x more productive than they would be otherwise.

      The other way to stop inflation is to report un-vaccinated people. Those people are standing in the way of economic growth, and if even one of those people continues to enjoy freedom, we will not be able to control inflation.

  3. Claptrap   4 years ago

    I'm betting that the Admin is taking the long view here: inflation is bringing the yuuuge COL advantage red states have and balancing it out a bit. Remember that the only things these people truly care about are making sure more Democrats get elected* and that their idiot sons get paid well for no effort.

    *Or Republicans, when the shoe is on the other foot

  4. JohannesDinkle   4 years ago

    I was in Argentina from 1988 to 1991. It will all work out. We eventually got new currency at 50,000 to one.
    No worries.

    1. MP   4 years ago

      Well, that's better than Zimbabwe.

      1. JohannesDinkle   4 years ago

        Of course, unlike Zimbabwe, the people in charge in Buenos Aires at the time are pretty much the same as those in the White House now. Smart - smarter than all of us - college educated in things like political science, economics, and philosophy, and absolutely sure they know what they are doing.
        Just like children with matches.

        1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

          And they hate America too.

      2. CE   4 years ago

        you know who else had to deal with hyperinflation?

        1. Trollificus   4 years ago

          The automatic pilot in "Airplane!"?

    2. Minadin   4 years ago

      I was there in '97 when they had a treaty or law or something that basically said that $1 Argentinian Peso = $1 USD. So when I went to buy a Boca Juniors jersey for $37, I could pay with $20 american and $20 argentinian, and get $3 pesos change back.

  5. Sevo   4 years ago

    "...It's rising demand plus troubled supply..."

    When you shut down businesses to satisfy chicken littles, it sort of affects the supply side.
    Put another way, allowing the government control over the economy ALWAYS results in a screwed economy. Always.

  6. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

    Guest articles are the best.

    On the ground, I can't agree with inflation being a mere 6%. I've paid more for shitty pine this year than select red cedar the year before. Steel edging came down recently to only double last year's price. My delivery prices are up 50% on account of gas. This list goes on, literally down to the brass tacks I couldn't find to set a decorative metal plate on a firepit cover.

    So a big ol' fuck you to Joe Biden and everyone who bought into that crock of shit. Got. What. You. Paid. For.

    1. Brandybuck   4 years ago

      Not to shit on your gripe, but it wasn't just Biden. Prior administrations had a hand in this too. Both Sides. The spending spree started with Trump, the tariffs kinking the supply chain started with Trump. No swamps were drained. But not blaming Trump either, it's just how the Federal Government works. The excessive focus on team colors masks the truth that it's the Federal Government itself that is the problem, not the color of team flag waving from the White House.

      So Fuck Joe Biden, but also fuck Donald Trump, Barack Obama, George Bush, Bill Clinton, etc., etc., etc.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

        Technically, the spending spree started with FDR.

        1. West Texas   4 years ago

          FDR had the gold standard holding him back. Nixon was the real start of the insanity.

          Check out this chart and what happened in 1970.

          https://inflationdata.com/articles/charts/cumulative-inflation-decade-1913/

          Politicians going to politic.

        2. West Texas   4 years ago

          Point being fiscal policy is not inflationary in and of itself without monetary shenanigans along with it.

          As Friedman said, inflation is purely a monetary phenomenon. Reckless fiscal policy can and will kill the economy due to resource allocation inefficiencies, but as long as it's all government spending of money that is already in the economy, it won't increase the money supply.

      2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        Anything to cover up for SleepyJoe.

      3. DesigNate   4 years ago

        Technically the spending started with Pelosi.

        Hmmm. I wonder who the Speaker of the House was the last time they decided to spend like drunken sailors and use a supposed one time bailout as part of the new baseline for future spending....

      4. CE   4 years ago

        Trump jacked up spending as a one-time emergency measure to counter the lockdown slowdown. Which Biden promptly made the new baseline budget.

      5. Sevo   4 years ago

        Hey, Brandyshit!
        From a book I'm reading; Marshall is trying to get the Congressional votes to keep the draft in 1941. An R congress critter says he'll be damned if he'll vote for anything FDR backs.
        "Incensed, Marshall spat back: "You are going to let plain hatred of a personality dictate to you to do something that you realize is very harmful to the interest of the country!".
        You and the other TDS-addled assholes immediately came to mind.

      6. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

        You... You mean it's... BOWF sidez?

        Brandyshit, you're in that fuck you inclusive circle, to be clear.

    2. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

      Wood prices jacked up last year.

  7. bevis the lumberjack   4 years ago

    As if anybody in Washington gives even a single shit about the relationship between the government’s income and outflow. It’ll make it worse, but nobody cares.

  8. Longtobefree   4 years ago

    No worries.
    The slight increase in interest payments can be covered by eliminating the Education department, and eliminating the Department of Homeland Security.
    If that is not enough, eliminate all new college loan guarantees, and only subsidize truck driver schools.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

      That you Mike [Rowe]?

      Seriously though, most sensible comment I've read today.

  9. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

    Inflation is a sign that the Biden economy is white hot.

    1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      You know who else was elected because of high inflation?!

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Rob Ford?

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

        H--I-T-L-E-R
        R-E-A-G-A-N

        Same # of letters. Hmmmm...

      3. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Chesty Morgan?

      4. JFree   4 years ago

        The Wizard of Oz?

      5. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

        Jean-Francois Pilatre de Rozier?

      6. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

        Inflatable Jesus dolls?

  10. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    The next important date on the budget reconciliation bill is November 15th. That date is being described by some as a promise made by the moderate Democrats to progressives. They said they would agree to bring the bill up for a vote no later than November 15--in exchange for the progressives letting the moderate Democrats vote on the infrastructure bill last week. I don't think that's the case. It's partially true but not the whole truth.

    The progressives capitulating to letting the moderates vote on the infrastructure bill happened in the wake of the progressives getting their asses handed to them in Virginia and New Jersey, and I don't think the moderate Democrats were promising to vote in favor of the budget reconciliation bill. They just promised to bring it up for a vote by November 15--and if Pelosi and the progressives don't have the votes to pass it by then, then, far as I can tell, they're not even promising to bring it up for a vote again after that.

    After November 15th, if the infrastructure bill isn't passed, most of Congress will favor adjourning so they can go home, raise funds, and campaign over the holidays. If the budget reconciliation bill isn't passed by November 15th, we might think it likely that it won't pass until January--in an election year--to raise energy prices in the middle of winter? I may be biased by my hopes on this, but my thinking is that if it isn't done by November 15th, it probably won't happen.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      It’s going to pass. Can’t stop the train wreck now.

      1. Union of Concerned Socks   4 years ago

        The train wreck happens next November. I LOVE train wrecks.

    2. middlefinger   4 years ago

      They don’t need the reconciliation bill, at least for voting kickbacks. The competent USPS is now an unlicensed bank, throwing cash (gift cards that can be sold for cash) to proggies on the east coast. Gee I wonder what happens when billions of checks do not clear…

    3. Tony   4 years ago

      My sources say it depends on whether Joe Manchin has something spicy for lunch that day.

  11. CE   4 years ago

    The rate of inflation gets captured in interest rates that borrowers must pay, especially for longer-term debt.

    But apparently not in CDs (currently 0.27% for a 5-year CD on average) or mortgages (currently at 3.24% for a 30-year fixed) or Treasury notes (currently at 1.57% for a 10 year bond).

    Probably because the Fed is distorting the market by buying 120 billion in Treasuries and mortgage backed securities every month, to hold rates artificially low.

    People with any significant amount of cash savings are also hit hard by inflation, combined with artificially low rates. If they leave their money in cash it loses 6% a year. If they loan it out to the govt they lose 4.5% a year. And if they loan it to home buyers they lose 3% a year.

    But if they invest in stocks instead, they risk getting wiped out when the Fed pulls out the interest rate meddling and the stock market tanks, and investing in real estate would be even more disastrous. When mortgage rates hit 9.25% again (as they were in 1991 when inflation was over 6%) the market will be unable to sustain the sharp price increases seen in the past 2 years.

    1. BigT   4 years ago

      In 1982 mortgage rates were 14%, and we were very lucky and grateful for a temporary state program that provided us a mortgage at 9.98%. We are headed there again. Where is Jerry "Whip Inflation Now" Ford when you need him?

      1. Davulek   4 years ago

        We are not headed there. We are headed to bankruptcy. Who else could borrow 50% of what they spend and not become insolvent besides those running the world's printing press.

  12. DesigNate   4 years ago

    I'm surprised Studel or shrike haven't shown up to shit all over this article. Strudel's bleating in the morning links was especially comical.

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      HAPERINFLATION!!!!!!!

    2. Dillinger   4 years ago

      I can't even with his bullshit. it *is* comical.

  13. CE   4 years ago

    30 trillion in debt at 1.5% interest is 450 billion.
    30 trillion in debt at 6% interest is 1.8 trillion.

    1. Davulek   4 years ago

      That is why they won't let it go up. It will destroy us and the sheep graze on.

  14. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

    BBB will be a nothingburger. Biden will get to declare victory on a great number of neutered promises like paid family leave. The current proposed 4 week provision is less than that already active in several blue states. So it won't actually apply in CA, MA, NY, NJ, DC.

  15. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

    Interest rates on the debt don't matter when you can just print more money.

  16. Gwarrior   4 years ago

    The article left out another very important issue. Inflation causes the cost of things the government purchases, I.e. the military, or hands out, I.e. SNAP. This will cause not only the cost of borrowing to increase, it also the amount borrowed to increase, as government expenditures increase, at least, with the rate of inflation. It’s a never ending cycle from there.

  17. TJJ2000   4 years ago

    With the history of National Socialist Nations turning hyper-inflated it baffles me so many can be blindly-struck as to why the EXACT same thing is happening in the USA.

    Did everyone ALREADY ignore the falling of Venezuela???
    No more Nazism in the USA!!!

  18. Tony   4 years ago

    "Obviously, any dollar spent on interest cannot be spent on government benefits and services to taxpayers."

    This is not so much obvious as it is nonsense. Raising interest on the national debt is identical with income for US Treasury bondholders, most of whom aren't anywhere but inside the US. It's all just dollars, and the US government can make as many of those as it wants.

    The US government can also spend whatever it wants on social programs, because again, there is no maximum amount of dollars, which this sentence outright claims.

    So brushing aside all the horseshit, we get to whether the US government is using up too much of the national economic capacity doing stupid things, but presumably the big boats will eventually clear their pile-ups and more trade infrastructure will be built, if necessary. At the bottom of all of this is a global economy disrupted by a pandemic. Are you doing your part to end that, or are you whining like a bitch about the oppressiveness of hygiene?

    But none of those things will happen with libertarians in charge! No, the biggest stupid program of all, giving cash to zillionaires--you support that every single time it's on the table, phony "national debt" concerns be damned.

    1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

      "because again, there is no maximum amount of dollars"
      ...correction...
      "because again, there is no maximum amount of people's labors" ... Printing money can't steal. (Which is entirely NOT TRUE)

      So long as people work/create for the USD - hiding your theft under the blanket of 'fiat' doesn't make it any less of a THEFT.

    2. NOYB2   4 years ago

      You're correct, Tony: Yandle's statement is nonsense because the US government can indeed print as many dollars as it wants to.

      What that printing and distribution of dollars corresponds to, however, is redirecting actual assets and production from things that Americans want and need into assets and production that don't benefit Americans.

    3. NOYB2   4 years ago

      No, the biggest stupid program of all, giving cash to zillionaires--you support that every single time it's on the table, phony "national debt" concerns be damned.

      "Giving cash to zillionaires" is exactly what government debt and government spending result in.

      Tony, people like YOU are the main drivers behind cronyism, inequality, and economic injustice. Either you're doing that deliberately, or you're just a patsy for billionaires.

      1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

        ^THIS
        "Giving cash to zillionaires" is exactly what government debt and government spending result in.

        With a perfect history of evidence to back it up.

  19. Mr Happy Man   4 years ago

    The size of the government debts to me seems to be the reason why the Fed, and other central banks, kept the interest rate very low for a long time. The whole west is so indebted it requires low interest rates to keep the governments afloat. This is one of the major scandals of the Fed and a reason why it should be abolished - because the low interest rates to allow cheap borrowing by governments has sustained the asset bubbles - because you can’t make money from investments except with relatively riskier ones like stocks. It’s reasonable to suspect a conspiracy. The article is correct to point out that governments are now in big trouble with interest payments. Conservatives have warned about this for 90 years, when will they finally get around to cutting government and knocking down the debt like they keep promising?

  20. Davulek   4 years ago

    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
    Thomas Jefferson

    1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

      ^+100000000000000p

      1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

        The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 written by Democrats.

    2. NOYB2   4 years ago

      If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.

      “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy about it.” Klaus Schwab - WEF

    3. Davedave   4 years ago

      Why are you ascribing that quote to Thomas Jefferson? It was the traitorous Nazi Henry Ford who said that.

  21. Phwest   4 years ago

    The impact of inflation in a fiat world is more about the rate of change than the rate itself. Stable inflation is priced into interest rates, so that the actual level isn’t all that significant (unless it is high enough to cause people to dump cash, say 12%+). A stable 2% inflation means revenues and expenses go up at the same rate, and nothing is all that different if the rate is 5%. Remember, the government just rolls debt over anyway - only the real interest rate is paid out of revenues, the inflation rate can be rolled into principal with changing the level of debt.

    But if inflation spikes, that is effectively a confiscation of a portion of bond holder wealth (along with anyone else receiving a fixed income other sources). Future bond holders will presumably demand a risk premium (for awhile anyway), but that will be much lower than the nominal rate of inflation (assuming the spike is temporary - a constant increase in the rate of inflation will end with hyperinflation, which is effectively the confiscation of ALL bond holder wealth)

    If inflation drops back to the Fed’s long term target rate (1.8% or so) by next year then effectively the government will have financed the COVID stimulus by a 3-4% levy on bondholders. If the market sees this as a once in a lifetime action (which current rates suggest is the case at the moment), then there won’t be much of a long term effect on rates.

    Of course, there is still the economic impact of the wealth confiscation, but the pandemic was going to destroy some wealth one way or another. I rather doubt the government response was optimal, but some loss was inevitable.

    The finance side of government is all about who pays. Both deficits and inflation are attractive politically because they disguise who is actually paying (ditto for corporate taxes). Inflation is actuality more obvious than the others, which is why you are seeing actual political fallout now.

    1. Davedave   4 years ago

      Fiat world? Flat world?

      Frankly, what you're saying is as barmy and reality-denying as flat-earth theories.

      You probably don't realise that 'fiat money' is a term that is only used in far right rabbit holes.

  22. Andy Freedman   4 years ago

    Because it is not considered to be a conventional Left.I have spent time ever since 2001 confused over the,”Limit the American lifestyle,Peak Oil”,guys and why they are called a Left.When Left is wanting food and housing to be cheap if not free.And Right is allegedly exploitative.The idea and why this is considered a Left and why Joe Biden is trying to wreck the United States of America is because of the following idea.
    Lower Middleclass Bluecollar Americans are only One paycheck away from living in a poor neighborhood or being homeless themselves.They are the,”Poor people”,and allegedly other people who actually have less money then them and are unemployed are somehow doing something to them.So the way to help the financially struggling LowerMiddle class,is not to simply leave other people unemployed which is a Right not a Left.But the people collecting Welfare or Unemployment must either be made to get off of welfare or unemployment.Or otherthings are done to people themselves who are actually poorer then the struggling people you are helping.While I support and like the fact that President Franklin Roosevelt banned childlabor,created Social Security,and Government Assistance for people without jobs.Franklin Roosevelt was accused of not always being a complete Liberal.Roosevelt has been accused of wanting to leave some people unemployed so they wouldn’t take other people’s jobs,which may have unintentionally contributed during his Presidency to Japanese-Americans unjustly being put in internment camps and the unjust lynching of African-Americans.
    While it is concern about a financially struggling group of Americans so it is considered to be enough of a Left that people who want to do it are also considered Democrats.
    The idea is Trucks filled up with Oil bring food to the Supermarket,the price of Oil goes up the price of food goes up.Since the more expensive it is to transport the food the higher the price each item of food will be resold for.By Falsley claiming the world is running out of Oil,by calling for people to use less Oil to prepare them for the supposed eventual end of Oil,which will never come the world is not running out of oil,by calling for using less Oil and other measures you drive up the heating prices,food prices and the prices of other items.
    For the real reason that allegedly you will help one group of Financially struggling people by pushing other people to have to get jobs.
    But while in an era where African-Americans and Latinos are in the Middleclass also it is not considered racist to do something that raises everyone’s food and oil prices and causes inflation allegedly because doing something to Onegroup of financially struggling people helps Middleclass struggling people.
    If welfare was ended in 1996.All there is now is Two year and out welfare and people need to get jobs.And unemployment insurance allegedly is something people can only get for a certain amount of time,if people are getting unemployment insurance for long periods of time,it is only because America has been in an Economic Depression ever since September12,2001, America in the post 9/11 world hasn’t economically been what it was in the 1980’s and 1990’s.So people who are on Unemployment are allegedly causing a problem for the Struggling Middleclass and need to get off of Unemployment.
    But if the way you try and get them off of unemployment is to raise the prices of everything so they have to get a job,because you are putting the economy in a Depression there won’t be available jobs anyone and they weren’t taking the jobs of the Middleclass people you care about when they were Left unemployed.
    So obviously Biden is trying to do something to some people to allegedly help other people.
    Since CNN has pointed out that this bizarre combination of alleged,”Climate change”,which calls for limiting the American lifestyle and using less Oil,which drives up the prices.”Sustainability”, when the world will never run out of Oil which drives up the price.While these Oil related policies are driving up the prices on heating oil,food,and other items.Biden is also while calling for using even less Oil,contributing to the inflation by wanting to spend over 1 Trillion dollars on an infrastructure plan.
    While America still has a debt from it’s previous war in Afghanistan and currently has troops in Iraq.Joe Biden is destroying an American economy that since 2001 hasn’t been what it was in the 1980’s and 1990’s.
    Since a better policy would be to take the Elderly people who are on Social Security who take their Social Security Checks out of the mailbox and go to a Baseball game and while they are enjoying themselves consider them to be,”The unemployed”,and the College students who are adults and live in a dorm room and get money from their parents or the government and while they are enjoying themselves at college consider them to be,”The Unemployed”,.
    And having people who are having a nicetime and are considered to be,”Unemployed”,means if you need to say somepeople are unemployed you have done that.So now you can get as much Oil as you need pick the Economy up and there will be a job for anyone who wants one,while the people who are considered to be,”Unemployed”,are having a nicetime at the Baseball game or hanging out on a college campus.
    And the LowerMiddleclass will keep their jobs while having the price of things go down.
    While Left is supposed to be jobs for as many people as possible.And cheap food heating Oil and housing.Because anyone who opposes Climate change policies.The Infrastructure bill and people having to wear masks,all Right not Left issues is considered to be,”Out of the Democratic Party”,.
    While I support Four Democratic Party issues
    1)I support Federal CivilRights Legislation so African-Americans are treated equally.
    2)I support Social Security for Oldpeople.
    3)I support Foodstamps for poor people.
    4)I support abortion for Women in the First Trimester.
    Because of the destruction of the American lifestyle I voted for Donald Trump in 2020.If the Republican Party moved Left and supported CivilRights for Black people,SocialSecurity for Old people,foodstamps for poor people,but called for keeping prices low and restoring the American lifestyle.A lot of Liberal Democrats might vote Republican.
    Andy Freedman amf152@Yahoo.Com E-mail address (773)661-9929 Phonenumber (312)330-2404 CellPhone

  23. Andy Freedman   4 years ago

    Because it is not considered to be a conventional Left FOR YEARS.I have spent time ever since 2001 confused over the,”Limit the American lifestyle,Peak Oil”,guys and why they are called a Left.When Left is wanting food and housing to be cheap if not free.And Right is allegedly exploitative.The idea and why this is considered a Left and why Joe Biden is trying to wreck the United States of America is because of the following idea.
    Lower Middleclass Bluecollar Americans are only One paycheck away from living in a poor neighborhood or being homeless themselves.They are the,”Poor people”,and allegedly other people who actually have less money then them and are unemployed are somehow doing something to them.So the way to help the financially struggling LowerMiddle class,is not to simply leave other people unemployed which is a Right not a Left.But the people collecting Welfare or Unemployment must either be made to get off of welfare or unemployment.Or otherthings are done to people themselves who are actually poorer then the struggling people you are helping.While I support and like the fact that President Franklin Roosevelt banned childlabor,created Social Security,and Government Assistance for people without jobs.Franklin Roosevelt was accused of not always being a complete Liberal.Roosevelt has been accused of wanting to leave some people unemployed so they wouldn’t take other people’s jobs,which may have unintentionally contributed during his Presidency to Japanese-Americans unjustly being put in internment camps and the unjust lynching of African-Americans.
    While it is concern about a financially struggling group of Americans so it is considered to be enough of a Left that people who want to do it are also considered Democrats.
    The idea is Trucks filled up with Oil bring food to the Supermarket,the price of Oil goes up the price of food goes up.Since the more expensive it is to transport the food the higher the price each item of food will be resold for.By Falsley claiming the world is running out of Oil,by calling for people to use less Oil to prepare them for the supposed eventual end of Oil,which will never come the world is not running out of oil,by calling for using less Oil and other measures you drive up the heating prices,food prices and the prices of other items.
    For the real reason that allegedly you will help one group of Financially struggling people by pushing other people to have to get jobs.
    But while in an era where African-Americans and Latinos are in the Middleclass also it is not considered racist to do something that raises everyone’s food and oil prices and causes inflation allegedly because doing something to Onegroup of financially struggling people helps Middleclass struggling people.
    If welfare was ended in 1996.All there is now is Two year and out welfare and people need to get jobs.And unemployment insurance allegedly is something people can only get for a certain amount of time,if people are getting unemployment insurance for long periods of time,it is only because America has been in an Economic Depression ever since September12,2001, America in the post 9/11 world hasn’t economically been what it was in the 1980’s and 1990’s.So people who are on Unemployment are allegedly causing a problem for the Struggling Middleclass and need to get off of Unemployment.
    But if the way you try and get them off of unemployment is to raise the prices of everything so they have to get a job,because you are putting the economy in a Depression there won’t be available jobs anyone and they weren’t taking the jobs of the Middleclass people you care about when they were Left unemployed.
    So obviously Biden is trying to do something to some people to allegedly help other people.
    Since CNN has pointed out that this bizarre combination of alleged,”Climate change”,which calls for limiting the American lifestyle and using less Oil,which drives up the prices.”Sustainability”, when the world will never run out of Oil which drives up the price.While these Oil related policies are driving up the prices on heating oil,food,and other items.Biden is also while calling for using even less Oil,contributing to the inflation by wanting to spend over 1 Trillion dollars on an infrastructure plan.
    While America still has a debt from it’s previous war in Afghanistan and currently has troops in Iraq.Joe Biden is destroying an American economy that since 2001 hasn’t been what it was in the 1980’s and 1990’s.
    Since a better policy would be to take the Elderly people who are on Social Security who take their Social Security Checks out of the mailbox and go to a Baseball game and while they are enjoying themselves consider them to be,”The unemployed”,and the College students who are adults and live in a dorm room and get money from their parents or the government and while they are enjoying themselves at college consider them to be,”The Unemployed”,.
    And having people who are having a nicetime and are considered to be,”Unemployed”,means if you need to say somepeople are unemployed you have done that.So now you can get as much Oil as you need pick the Economy up and there will be a job for anyone who wants one,while the people who are considered to be,”Unemployed”,are having a nicetime at the Baseball game or hanging out on a college campus.
    And the LowerMiddleclass will keep their jobs while having the price of things go down.
    While Left is supposed to be jobs for as many people as possible.And cheap food heating Oil and housing.Because anyone who opposes Climate change policies.The Infrastructure bill and people having to wear masks,all Right not Left issues is considered to be,”Out of the Democratic Party”,.
    While I support Four Democratic Party issues
    1)I support Federal CivilRights Legislation so African-Americans are treated equally.
    2)I support Social Security for Oldpeople.
    3)I support Foodstamps for poor people.
    4)I support abortion for Women in the First Trimester.
    Because of the destruction of the American lifestyle I voted for Donald Trump in 2020.If the Republican Party moved Left and supported CivilRights for Black people,SocialSecurity for Old people,foodstamps for poor people,but called for keeping prices low and restoring the American lifestyle.A lot of Liberal Democrats might vote Republican.
    Andy Freedman amf152@Yahoo.Com E-mail address (773)661-9929 Phonenumber (312)330-2404 CellPhone

  24. Andy Freedman   4 years ago

    Because it is not considered to be a conventional Left FOR YEARS.I have spent time ever since 2001 confused over the,”Limit the American lifestyle,Peak Oil”,guys and why they are called a Left.When Left is wanting food and housing to be cheap if not free.And Right is allegedly exploitative.The idea and why this is considered a Left and why Joe Biden is trying to wreck the United States of America is because of the following idea.
    Lower Middleclass Bluecollar Americans are only One paycheck away from living in a poor neighborhood or being homeless themselves.They are the,”Poor people”,and allegedly other people who actually have less money then them and are unemployed are somehow doing something to them.So the way to help the financially struggling LowerMiddle class,is not to simply leave other people unemployed which is a Right not a Left.But the people collecting Welfare or Unemployment must either be made to get off of welfare or unemployment.Or otherthings are done to people themselves who are actually poorer then the struggling people you are helping.While I support and like the fact that President Franklin Roosevelt banned childlabor,created Social Security,and Government Assistance for people without jobs.Franklin Roosevelt was accused of not always being a complete Liberal.Roosevelt has been accused of wanting to leave some people unemployed so they wouldn’t take other people’s jobs,which may have unintentionally contributed during his Presidency to Japanese-Americans unjustly being put in internment camps and the unjust lynching of African-Americans.
    While it is concern about a financially struggling group of Americans so it is considered to be enough of a Left that people who want to do it are also considered Democrats.THEY ARE ALSO CONSIDERED TO BE DEMOCRATS
    The idea is Trucks filled up with Oil bring food to the Supermarket,the price of Oil goes up the price of food goes up.Since the more expensive it is to transport the food the higher the price each item of food will be resold for.By Falsley claiming the world is running out of Oil,by calling for people to use less Oil to prepare them for the supposed eventual end of Oil,which will never come the world is not running out of oil,by calling for using less Oil and other measures you drive up the heating prices,food prices and the prices of other items.
    For the real reason that allegedly you will help one group of Financially struggling people by pushing other people to have to get jobs.
    But while in an era where African-Americans and Latinos are in the Middleclass also it is not considered racist to do something that raises everyone’s food and oil prices and causes inflation allegedly because doing something to Onegroup of financially struggling people helps Middleclass struggling people.
    If welfare was ended in 1996.All there is now is Two year and out welfare and people need to get jobs.And unemployment insurance allegedly is something people can only get for a certain amount of time,if people are getting unemployment insurance for long periods of time,it is only because America has been in an Economic Depression ever since September12,2001, America in the post 9/11 world hasn’t economically been what it was in the 1980’s and 1990’s.So people who are on Unemployment are allegedly causing a problem for the Struggling Middleclass and need to get off of Unemployment.
    But if the way you try and get them off of unemployment is to raise the prices of everything so they have to get a job,because you are putting the economy in a Depression there won’t be available jobs anyone and they weren’t taking the jobs of the Middleclass people you care about when they were Left unemployed.
    So obviously Biden is trying to do something to some people to allegedly help other people.
    Since CNN has pointed out that this bizarre combination of alleged,”Climate change”,which calls for limiting the American lifestyle and using less Oil,which drives up the prices.”Sustainability”, when the world will never run out of Oil which drives up the price.While these Oil related policies are driving up the prices on heating oil,food,and other items.Biden is also while calling for using even less Oil,contributing to the inflation by wanting to spend over 1 Trillion dollars on an infrastructure plan.
    While America still has a debt from it’s previous war in Afghanistan and currently has troops in Iraq.Joe Biden is destroying an American economy that since 2001 hasn’t been what it was in the 1980’s and 1990’s.
    Since a better policy would be to take the Elderly people who are on Social Security who take their Social Security Checks out of the mailbox and go to a Baseball game and while they are enjoying themselves consider them to be,”The unemployed”,and the College students who are adults and live in a dorm room and get money from their parents or the government and while they are enjoying themselves at college consider them to be,”The Unemployed”,.
    And having people who are having a nicetime and are considered to be,”Unemployed”,means if you need to say somepeople are unemployed you have done that.So now you can get as much Oil as you need pick the Economy up and there will be a job for anyone who wants one,while the people who are considered to be,”Unemployed”,are having a nicetime at the Baseball game or hanging out on a college campus.
    And the LowerMiddleclass will keep their jobs while having the price of things go down.
    While Left is supposed to be jobs for as many people as possible.And cheap food heating Oil and housing.Because anyone who opposes Climate change policies.The Infrastructure bill and people having to wear masks,all Right not Left issues is considered to be,”Out of the Democratic Party”,.
    While I support Four Democratic Party issues
    1)I support Federal CivilRights Legislation so African-Americans are treated equally.
    2)I support Social Security for Oldpeople.
    3)I support Foodstamps for poor people.
    4)I support abortion for Women in the First Trimester.
    Because of the destruction of the American lifestyle I voted for Donald Trump in 2020.If the Republican Party moved Left and supported CivilRights for Black people,SocialSecurity for Old people,foodstamps for poor people,but called for keeping prices low and restoring the American lifestyle.A lot of Liberal Democrats might vote Republican.
    Andy Freedman amf152@Yahoo.Com E-mail address (773)661-9929 Phonenumber (312)330-2404 CellPhone

  25. Liberty Lover   4 years ago

    Biden Will Make Government Budget Problems Worse
    Thank you Reason for supporting Joe Biden.

  26. I'm Just Say'n   4 years ago

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  27. NOYB2   4 years ago

    Inflation Will Make Government Budget Problems Worse. The cost of interest on the national debt will soon be a huge chunk of change.

    Are you effing serious? Inflation means that the government can pay back debt in money that is worth less than when it borrowed the money. Furthermore, due to the first pass effect, when the government spends newly minted money, it does not pay the cost of the inflation on government spending.

  28. Davedave   4 years ago

    "Inflation Will Make Government Budget Problems Worse -The cost of interest on the national debt will soon be a huge chunk of change."

    ROFL. The author doesn't understand what inflation is, if they can say anything so daft.

    Inflation is a change in the nominal value of money. It has no effect on actual values, only on the number of currency units required to make up a given value.

    Where inflation does interact with national debts, it is generally used to 'inflate away' that debt over time by paying interest that is lower than the rate of inflation. Currently US government debt is perfectly set up to do that.

    So, much surprise, just as every time in the past, the government debt will actually fall as a result of inflation.

    1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

      In direct correlation to the "fall" of people's labors and savings purchasing power. So really in the end it's just ANOTHER way to tax under the covers which is really armed theft against the citizens.

      So throw on another 15% to the 50% already being STOLEN. The government enslaves at the rate of 65% of citizens labors.

      1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

        RE: There is a reason there is a law against counterfeiting.

      2. TJJ2000   4 years ago

        i.e. There are all sorts of deceptive figures and manipulations in the median-scope of 'fiat' but at the end of the day it's all imagination run amuck. One still cannot eat their cake and have it too.

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  35. BioBehavioral_View   4 years ago

    “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” -H. L. Mencken

    Perhaps, Mencken had been right. The U.S. government, however, was dedicating itself to proving him wrong. It was going broke by not giving the suckers an even break.
    The underlying rationale had been that, with a fiat-currency having no intrinsic value, a zero or two or three always could be deleted from each note in order to restore its purchasing power per unit of denomination. In 2005, the Turkish lira had plunged in value to 3-million to one U.S. dollar before the Turkish government chopped off a few zeros by issuing a “new lira” at one new to 1-million old. Life, nevertheless, continued in Ankara and Istanbul as well as in London, New York, Shanghai, and Tokyo.
    The assumption underlying this colossal swindle had been that the central bankers could promote inflation as a virtue and deflation as a vice. They convinced their respective citizenry that its currency worth less tomorrow than today was a blessing and that its currency worth more would be a curse; refusing to acknowledge that deflation as a consequence of increasing productivity is, in fact, a blessing.
    The winners of this economic charade? Governments, financial traders, and debtors. The losers? Savers and taxpayers.
    Via the legalized theft of inflation, even after receiving interest on their deposits most savers had been losing 1% to 2% of their savings per year every year to their respective governmental bandits partly as a consequence of taxes on their “phantom-incomes”. In nominal terms, their banking accounts may have increased. In real terms, they decreased. -excerpt from the novel, Retribution Fever

  36. Tyson Hopper   4 years ago

    This is looking frustrating.

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