Ultra-Cautious CDC Wants You To Cook Your Prosciutto and Salami
The ultra-risk averse agency continues to misunderstand how people actually behave in the wild.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told the public yesterday that we should cook their charcuterie meats until steam emanates. This guidance stems from a salmonella outbreak in 17 states that the agency thinks is linked to prosciutto, salami, and the like. Setting aside the fact that cooking prosciutto until it's well-done is demonic behavior, it's worth noting that the outbreak has made just 36 people sick, with 12 hospitalizations and zero deaths so far.
To the CDC's credit, it notes that salmonella is especially harmful for children under 5 and adults over 65; for the vast majority of the adult population, salmonella infections are not especially severe (though best to avoid). But the CDC has a long history of urging people to do things that they quite obviously won't actually do. The agency recommends cooking steak until it reaches an internal temperature of 145 degrees (rare steak is therefore in violation), says we should cook eggs until both yolks and whites are firm, and tells women to limit their alcohol consumption to one standard drink or less per day (HA!).
Forget beef carpaccio or steak tartare or jammy egg korma. Forget eggs benedict replete with savory hollandaise (or anything poached or soft-boiled). Forget a scorpion bowl or an ultra-boozy jungle bird or a Philadelphia Fish House Punch, which will surely exceed the highly restrictive one-drink limit for the delicate ladyfolk. For pregnant women, the CDC's recommendations are even more restrictive: no soft cheeses, sushi, unpasteurized milk, or booze. ("There is no safe time to drink alcohol during pregnancy," says the CDC. Parenting-data guru Emily Oster notes that "many studies of low or moderate prenatal alcohol exposure show no impacts.")
The CDC's ideal restaurant would be one where the prosciutto is boiled, the egg yolks are not jammy, the steak is well-done, only a single glass of wine is consumed, and you wear a mask between bites. https://t.co/VJIyrP6IQB
— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) August 25, 2021
This isn't a pitched battle for human freedom. The CDC isn't forcing you to cook that prosciutto, and stopping the spread of salmonella is clearly covered by their job description. But yet again, the agency fails to understand how human beings actually operate in the wild. People faced with potentially tainted deli meats will either throw them away or risk salmonella exposure. What they will probably not be doing en masse is searing or boiling them, just as most people do not spend their entire lives avoiding poached eggs.
It's all par for the course for an agency that says that people of all ages and vaccination statuses should mask up in schools—something out of step with the school-masking policies many other developed countries have embraced. An agency helmed by Rochelle Walensky, who has been grossly exaggerating the odds of vaccinated adults contracting breakthrough infections. An agency that just weeks ago asked vaccinated people to mask up indoors again, prompting pandemonium, despite the fact that the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths are coming from parts of the country with extraordinarily low vaccination rates, who are probably less likely to listen to the CDC's ultra-cautious masking guidance anyway.
The CDC also recommends, weirdly, that "international travelers arriving in the United States are still recommended to get a SARS-CoV-2 viral test 3-5 days after travel regardless of vaccination status"—something I surely failed to do this summer, in part because the government forces people to get COVID tests prior to entry back into the U.S., regardless of vaccination status, making this high level of redundancy absurd.
But public health officials have been overly cautious fun-haters since the dawn of man (or at least the dawn of bureaucracy); the prime difference now is an overly anxious media class that parrots their every recommendation, and a bunch of state and local policy makers who set rules based on what the agency's idea of best practices, with, again, little regard for how normal people are willing to modify their behavior.
Maybe the disease-control agency that's taken to creating regulating evictions (really!) and telling Americans to cook their charcuterie offerings should be exalted just a smidge less.
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CDC already oversees private housing and is now looking to usurp USDA and FDA as well.
Soon the CDC will provide guidance on how far up your ass a TSA agent’s hand should penetrate.
You'd think the USDA would tell them to fuck off.
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Fried Bologna sandwiches are delicious as are fried Salami sandwiches.
With that said the criminals at the cdc need to be in prison
Actually, I am thinking that the folks at the CDC who actually do the work -- those that compile the actual statistics and make them available to folks like me, in general, do a fine job. The problem is at the top, where the "top men" (and women) have become political pawns to whoever sits in the Whitehouse. The answer, of course, is to limit the agency's role to collecting and collating information, and not issuing reports and guidance supposedly based on said information.
I personally don't even have a problem with them issuing guidelines, so long as its understood those guidelines represent the absolute maximum level of caution, rather than the media portrayals of it as a bare minimum
It should also be understood that those are guidelines for health, not quality of food.
It toasts me (no too dark, that results in PAH's which are toxic) every time I read (use to read, before COVID shut them all down) restaurant menus with the boilerplate warning about not eating "undercooked" whatever. When asked how I want something prepared at a restaurant, I assume the chef knows what he's doing, and respond "chef's choice".
The problem is the tort lawyers and their pandering cousins in politics.
I assume the chef knows what he’s doing
I guess if you don't say "medium rare" and get well done or say "well done" and get medium rare, you can't be disappointed by a chef who has no clue what he's doing. "Chef's choice... and plenty of ketchup" is a way to go I suppose (read: you filthy Trumpista).
I'm assuming a competent chef. In my experience, that means that a steak is medium rare, and prime rib and lamb are just a touch over rare.
I don't go back to restaurants without good reason, meaning good food and good service. I tip accordingly - that's a hard life!
As to being a Trumpist, guess again.
I was at a restaurant and I asked for medium and the waiter said "our medium is a little bit more done than most" I responded with "medium is an internal temp of 135 to 145 deg f"
The person at the grill messed it up
140
I always just ask for rare and usually get what I would consider medium.
Ditto. My wife, on the other hand, has been known to order tuna sashimi "well done", which horrified everybody within hearing.
Brett,
You're not supposed to rat out your wife.
I may ask what "chef's choice" is, but it seems to be about 125 - 130, hot through, and starting a bit of phase change, but still red and moist, definitely more than looking like raw, but long before my grandmother's concept of "nice" (i.e. shoeleather).
Wipe its ass, lop off the horns, S&P for me, and chunk its ass on my plate. Perfection.
Sear it on the outside than bring it to 125 in the middle.
I bought an SN'S grill with a Slow N' Sear and it puts a Weber to shame.
Me too, as long as they provide the underlying rationale and data they are basing the rec on. But I might not feel that way if my livelihood were affected.
Fear sells. Their job is to keep the populace in a perpetual state of alarm. Fuckers.
those that compile the actual statistics and make them available to folks like me, in general, do a fine job.
GIGO. When your job is to find out how risky vaping is, doing your job means finding every last statistically significant way vaping is risky. Even if you have to ignore yours and others' recommendations about mold or automotive exhaust.
The let that CDC dogfucker go.
People who fry salami are the real criminals.
There are two places in Ohier where they cook inch slabs of baloney. I have ordered fried baloney sandwiches from two places in my area, and both times it's just thin slices from a package.
You call yourself a smokehouse and have the temerity for that abomination?
Try smoked bologna...no, not in a pipe, in a smoker.
Moar panic needed!
>>the outbreak has made just 36 people sick, with 12 hospitalizations and zero deaths so far
are the 12 taking covid beds?
That's ok unless they were unxaxxed. In that case, heretics need to be burned at the stake!
I am sure all 12 are already logged in as positive, for delta.
The CDC isn't forcing you to cook that prosciutto,
"but it is preventing you from evicting it from your house."
Until the governor declares the salmonella epidemic a state of emergency, and uses those emergency powers to force you to cook your prosciutto
Monsters.
Next, the CDC tackles the medium-rare steak epidemic.
++++
They already suggest you cook steak medium well to well-done.
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/communication/bbq-iq.html
It just needs to be seared on all sides to kill any E. Coli contamination from the butchering process. Whereas hamburger is ground up so the entire patty needs to be cooked long enough at sufficient temperature throughout.
In other words don't use a jacquard on your meat
And don't get the FDA started on runny egg yolks:
https://www.fda.gov/media/93628/download
we should cook their charcuterie meats until steam emanates
Is the guidance really this passive? Just emanate steam at the very thought of always cooking prosciutto and call it a day.
"Maybe the disease-control agency that's taken to creating regulating evictions (really!) and telling Americans to cook their charcuterie offerings should be exalted just a smidge less."
Or disbanded as a rogue agency that has exceeded its mandate, with its officers indicted and tried.
Gonna have to stand in line behind the FBI, TSA, USDA, etc....
reported to authorities for not respecting the judgement of the Top Men
Which Top men?
You can have my Italian meat when you pry it from my cold, dead, calloused, greasy hand.
Great. I'll cook them in trans fat then....
So, cook my steak tartar well done then yeah?
At the CDC company barbecue it's charred tartar.
Mr. Bean offers up Steak Tartare:
https://youtu.be/C6QqSxmpRMM
Bacon fat or lard for me!
What does cooking meatballs in trans fat make them?
However they want to identify, of course.
I'll occasionally cook prosciutto by slicing it into thin little strips and frying it up to make crumbles for a salad or pasta dish.
> cooking prosciutto until it's well-done is demonic behavior
Truer words have never been spoken.
my salami! my choice!
It's your wife's salami now. 🙂
lolword
The CDC is nothing but a political arm of the democrat party and they are currently being used to illegally distort markets.
Ultra-Cautious CDC Wants You To Cook Your Prosciutto and Salami
CDC Administrators competing to see how far they can push things.
I'd laugh my arse off if salmonella swept through the CDC.
I can see the news," The CDC has been temporarily shut down due to an outbreak of salmonella."
Before the COVID shutdown, our HR department told our cafeteria that they had to cook eggs until the yolks were solid because of the CDC recommendations. One of our Karens saw me with runny yolks and wrote it up as a safety violation. The same one also wrote me up for a violation because I brought whole milk for my coffee and cereal.
Why is that Karen still able to file complaints?
WTF do they care about food you brought in from outside?
Peanut butter might result in a 911 call being placed.
Seriously... some people just need the sh** slapped out of them.
something . . something . . CDC.
Bullshit. (correct answer each and every time)
I can see what's coming, which is why I'm learning how to make this stuff myself.
Ugh! The Chronic Disinformation Crew needs to stay in Their own lane. I mean, while I understand that They’re attempting to prevent disease, They’re also increasing the waist line of the nanny state.
"while I understand that They’re attempting to prevent disease"
Where did you get that crazy idea? Clearly misinformation.
I grew up in the 1970s and I had the only Mom who wouldn't let them lick the cake batter bowl after she poured it out. She was telling me they might have salmonella way back then. My friends and their Moms thought she was nuts.
I'm about to order some Eggs Benedict with Proscuitto instead of ham. Mmmmm....
Basically she was nuts. Samonella from eggs generally comes from contaminating the contents with the unwashed exterior, in commercial kitchens where they'll dump a dozen or two eggs into a centrifuge instead of individually cracking them, then not cook the resulting mess immediately. It's amazingly rare in home kitchens.
Knowledge is good.
Federalist-class faux libertarians tend to disagree.
Hopefully Andrew and Chris Cuomo will get some of the tainted meat.
As full of shit as that duo is, the resulting "shit show" should be spectacular.
They'll be reduced to but pale shadows of their former selves.
A perfect illustration of how the tyranny of experts works in the context of government. "Experts'" knowledge is generally an inch wide and a mile deep, so to "solve" a problem within their particular inch, they will recommend anything remotely possible, because it's basically the only thing they know and the only problem they think they can solve, ignoring of course that 99.9% of people don't actually live within their particular jargon-filled inch. Combine that with a milieu in which bureaucrats always get blamed and never get credit, and you have a perfect environment for risk-averse policymaking that cross the border into the absurd.
Any f***ing moron that COOKS prosciutto should be beaten with a pillowcase full of padlocks. The CDC can and should go F*** themselves.
Send in Eric"bicycle lock" Clanton.
If you ever thought that the CDC has a tenuous grasp of relevant science or is clueless about good sense, their warning here proves it.
They're barbarians.
It's obvious the CDC has allowed their own arrogance to go to their heads. How soon before they believe they are gods? It all began with this four decade bureaucrat Fauci and now the CDC has become so self absorbed in their own self importance and undeniable authority,they are becoming psychotic.
Maybe it's the atmosphere in Washington.
Time to reign these creature in.