Coronavirus

Delta Is Making Americans Crazy About School Reopening, Again

The U.K. kept schools open and masks off, and now delta is in their rearview. Why can't Yanks learn?

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Over the weekend, parents of two of the four children who participated in my then-kindergartner's learning "pod" during the part-time, COVID-impaired New York City public school year of 2020-21, wearily began the process of organizing yet another backup plan for when the local elementary school building inevitably closes down in response to the delta variant this fall.

What about the two sets of parents that did not? Our kids are attending a brand-new private school, literally across the street. Far from preparing to close, that institution is bracing itself for a possible influx of kids whose families cannot bear a third consecutive school year maimed by adults' inability to plan around risk.

With one-quarter of students nationwide already back in school, and the delta-fueled fourth wave of COVID peaking along the Gulf Coast and Mississippi River Basin, all signs point to another bifurcated K-12 year, in which decision makers in Democratic-run polities advocate precautionary restrictions virtually no countries in Europe have adopted, while private schools everywhere and public schools in most Republican-run areas remain open full-time.

"It's time to accept that school won't be normal in the fall," wrote the gang over at Vox, illustrating one of the functions of "explanatory journalism" during Democratic administrations.

Unlike last school year, when part-time learning and hair-trigger closures were the rule in districts where Democratic-leaning teachers unions hold sway, the default this year—incentivized by the Biden administration's strings-attached disbursement of $41 billion of its overall $122 billion K-12 COVID-relief package—will be physical buildings being open five days a week. But there a half-dozen tripwires set to blow up reopening at any moment.

The first is the delta variant itself, which, along with a huge spike in resurgent respiratory syncytial virus (a disproportionately child-impacting infection for which there is no vaccine) is already leading to more pediatric hospitalizations right now than during the pandemic's peak in January, straining capacity at children's intensive care units in COVID hotspots. Three schools in Lamar County, Mississippi, switched to remote learning this month; several schools in Kentucky and Georgia have also postponed the start of the year.

COVID, despite Americans' incessant attempts to pin its ebbs and flows on politics and comparative non-pharmaceutical interventions, has until now hewed instead toward regional and seasonal patterns, suggesting that the current red-state hospitalization wave will soon be supplanted by surges up north and along the coasts. Even if that spike is lessened by higher blue-state vaccination rates—and keep in mind that the current COVID-hospitalization leader, Florida, has the exact same vaccination rate (50 percent of inhabitants) as the rest of the country—we can expect the more stringent Democratic policies to trigger far more school shutdowns.

You can visualize, at least symbolically, the mostly partisan—as opposed to mostly viral—divide on COVID school policies, by looking at this Burbio map of state-mandated school-masking policies, updated weekly.

Where masking is stricter, generally speaking, so are rules governing other school-related mitigations: distancing, quarantining, testing, vaccinations, responses to community spread. Those same districts are also likelier to take their cues from the institutionally overcautious Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The CDC on Thursday issued updated guidance urging "universal indoor masking by all students (age 2 and older), staff, teachers, and visitors to K-12 schools, regardless of vaccination status," and advising that "close contacts [of infected people] who are not fully vaccinated should…quarantine at home for 14 days after exposure."

How would that 14-day quarantine play out in a large public school, if strictly applied? It took this NJ.com article 10 paragraphs to come up with a decidedly non-definitive answer, concluding with this quote from a district official: "We are in the process of working with our nurses and the local department of health, as well as our school principals, in planning for quarantine and isolation situations."

Given recent pre-delta history—our 1,000-student public elementary school this February announced late on a Sunday evening that it would close for 10 days because a grand total of two humans had recently tested positive for COVID—it is reasonable to assume, and sadly necessary to plan around, that extrapolations of CDC rules will lead to more school closures, even though adult staff members have had access to vaccines for more than half a year.

Will closing schools make kids who are ineligible for the vaccine any safer? That has not been the case so far. Children in school and day-care settings have been at lower risk of catching COVID in those settings than they have been outside of them. That this is not more widely known is an indictment of the U.S. news media, whose coverage has been the most relentlessly negative on record.

But what about the delta variant, which is far more transmissible, if otherwise roughly the same in effects on unvaccinated populations, including kids? "Our most significant post-Delta data comes from the UK," Brown University economics professor and school-COVID data-collector Emily Oster wrote this week, "where the positive test rate for children up to age 11 was around 2% at the height of the Delta surge, when schools were open (largely without masks). This 2%, of course, reflects transmission from all sources—schools, but also households. Repeat: Household transmission is a much more common vector for children, meaning vaccinating people in the household is your most important prevention strategy." (Emphasis Oster's.)

It's also worth noting that, unlike in the U.S., kids between the ages of 13 and 17 are still ineligible for COVID vaccines in the U.K.

Delta's reintroduction of that unhappy sense of looming uncertainty in our personal lives has made people forget what we have already learned about the virus, while ignoring or wildly misinterpreting relevant contemporary data from delta itself.

Delta does not change the fact that kids who catch COVID have roughly the same chances of hospitalization (one in 200, according to Oster) and death (one in 20,000–80,000) as kids who catch the flu. ("The narrative that this is a new virus which is tremendously more dangerous for children is just simply not supported by the data," she writes.) Delta does not change the fact that kids are more likely to catch COVID from unvaccinated adults than from their friends at school. Even after delta tore through the U.K., the age cohort with the lowest infection rate was 2- to 11-year-olds.

The other thing that delta won't change, but will certainly make worse, is that school closures and remote learning have been an absolute educational, emotional, and developmental wipeout for kids. "Just 9% of Newark students met state math standards this spring, data show," Chalkbeat Newark reported last week. "How much did the pandemic affect students?" asked the New York Times late last month. "The latest research is out, and the answer is clear: dramatically." An exhaustive data analysis by the Times last week showed an exodus of more than 1 million kindergartners, including a disproportionate number of poor, minority, and otherwise vulnerable kids.

This miserable record is what New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo threatens to exacerbate when he recklessly mischaracterizes schools as "superspreaders." It's what former Food and Drug Administration chief Scott Gottlieb perhaps unwittingly encourages by analogizing schoolchildren with adults, as he did on this week's Face the Nation: "I can't think of a business right now that would put 30 unvaccinated people in a confined space without masks and keep them there for the whole day. No business would do that responsibly, and yet that's what we're going to be doing in some schools."

Policy making during a pandemic is hard. Parents, myself included, will do almost anything to keep their kids out of harm's way. It's nausea-inducing to see that next wave approaching; the sense of surl and snap in the air is palpable. And I agree with the strict mitigationists that more school districts should be generating random testing data among unvaccinated kids.

But it's up to the rest of us to actually read that data before falling back into the same old damaging patterns of mistreating children as disease vectors too inherently dangerous and vulnerable to be left in groups. Scores of New York City public schools closed during its "Summer Rising" session due to hair-trigger COVID protocol; meanwhile, it's still widely unknown that the city's positive test rate among Summer Rising students and staff was just 0.21 percent from July 6 to August 5, and 0.37 percent in those last seven days.

Those numbers are certainly going to go up. Are we up to the task of contextualizing them, and crafting rational policy responses? It's a question of great urgency for the pod parents who stayed public, and for everyone else who cannot afford to choose alternatives to government-run school.

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  1. “Why can’t Yanks learn?”

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  2. If masks worked, we wouldn’t be here.

    1. You probably fucked up and just wore one. Dumbass.

      1. That double mask thing died off pretty quick, didn’t it?

        1. The company I work for mandated masks regardless of vaccination status because they’re lemmings who will dance to whatever tune the CDC plays. There’s a woman whose cubicle is kitty cornered to mine who wears two masks. I haven’t said anything, and don’t plan to – if she wants to sit there for 10 hours a day struggling to breathe that’s her problem – but every time I glance over there and see that I cringe and a little more of my dwindling faith in humanity dies.

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        2. Double? You were supposed to wear three masks, idiot. Anything less is just killing grandma.

          1. Just wear the whole box.

        3. Double masking ensures that your virus laden exhalations don’t filter through the mask(s) but instead escape out the sides where they are free to infect others. Double masking is actually WORSE than single masking for protecting others.

          The original recommendation was masks with two cloth layers. As all good masks are. But karens misunderstood this to mean two masks, which is four layers.

          More layers must be good, right? Yeah, sure, and doubling your blood pressure medication must be good too!

        4. No. It is because you didn’t wear them while sleeping.

    2. But vaccinations do work. So get vaccinated so you have the authority to flip off the proggies.

      1. I have the authority to flip off the proggies now, with or without the vaccine, pussy.

        1. five times before breakfast.

      2. But vaccinations do work. So get vaccinated so you have the authority to flip off the proggies.

        If only being vaccinated were enough.

        1. As COVID-19 vaccination rates pick up around the world, people have reasonably begun to ask: how much longer will this pandemic last? It’s an issue surrounded with uncertainties. But the once-popular idea that enough people will eventually gain immunity to SARS-CoV-2 to block most transmission — a ‘herd-immunity threshold’ — is starting to look unlikely.

          That threshold is generally achievable only with high vaccination rates, and many scientists had thought that once people started being immunized en masse, herd immunity would permit society to return to normal. Most estimates had placed the threshold at 60–70% of the population gaining immunity, either through vaccinations or past exposure to the virus. But as the pandemic enters its second year, the thinking has begun to shift. In February, independent data scientist Youyang Gu changed the name of his popular COVID-19 forecasting model from ‘Path to Herd Immunity’ to ‘Path to Normality’. He said that reaching a herd-immunity threshold was looking unlikely because of factors such as vaccine hesitancy, the emergence of new variants and the delayed arrival of vaccinations for children.

          Enjoy your useless vaccination status.

          1. That article was from March when only teachers, congress, and the elderly who are actually vulnerable were allowed to be vaccinated. And it’s typically worst-case conjecture. “We don’t know” statements are, of course, technically correct because vaccines were 3 months old and it’s a novel virus. You can’t know 2 years out when something is only 1 year old. Doesn’t mean it’s useless.

            Delta is more transmissible, but otherwise the vaccines did prevent transmission. They also very likely greatly lower transmission with Delta, and they greatly reduce symptoms even with rare breaktrhoughs. We also have much information from the UK where they actually collect good data (unlike the CDC) at regular cycles. Delta washed over and their numbers fell massively, just as here it’s still by far only affecting unvaccinated communities.

            So, yeah, keep beating the subtle anti-vax FUD drum with data from the fear mongers. So, you don’t get herd immunity this year. But, frankly, who gives a shit? I’m not going to the hospital if I do get exposed, and neither are the kids. Breakthroughs and recurring Covid, even with Delta, are rare and mild. So vaccination is a good thing for those who want it. Not at all “useless”.

            1. It’s not a question of whether or not the vaccine works, it’s a question of whether government officials decide if it’s adequate for a ‘return to normal’.

              The evidence for officials to declare it inadequate is overwhelming at this point. The targets and goalposts are moving so fast, no one can keep up with them. Two weeks to flatten the curve became indefinite lockdowns, became lower the death rate, became lower the case rate became herd immunity will come from a combination of prior infection and vaccination, to only vaccination will achieve herd immunity to we’ll never achieve herd immunity, to vaccinations won’t cover the variants to the vaccination effectiveness is already on the wane we need to wait for a booster… and so on and so on and so on.

              For those of us that followed every diktat from our vaunted leaders, including but not limited to being locked in our houses for 18 months, wearing masks in every public (and some private) situations, became vaccinated as soon as the vaccine was available and are now being told “Not yet”, we’re done. We finished and we’re no longer obeying.

            2. So they’ve developed a test that can identify the Delta variant specifically?

        2. It’s not enough, but it’s a start. And looking at all the data and charts, being vaccination significantly lowers the transmission rate and significantly reduces the severity. The big Delta Surge is happening among the unvaccinated.

          I asked my proggie friends why I still had to double mask even though I was fully vaccinated. “So you don’t pass it on to the unvaccinated!” Which is reason right there to get vaccinated. But proggies so concerned with their scaremongering that they’re sending the message that vaccinations don’t matter. Such losers. Get vaccinated!

          1. Why the hell should I get vaccinated for something that isn’t dangerous to me, since I already had it 1.5 years ago? Why should my children be vaccinated for something that poses virtually zero risk? And don’t tell me it’s so I can protect others; your safety is not my responsibility and if your vaccination isn’t protecting you then it isn’t a vaccination. Go ply that statist apologist bullshit somewhere else.

      3. Your still pushing the lie that only the gop isn’t vaccinated you leftist fuck?

  3. …illustrating one of the functions of “explanatory journalism” during Democratic administrations.

    I’m beginning to suspect that one of our cherished institutions have been tainted by politics, and that in turn might be affecting public policy in various areas of our lives.

    1. You’re beginning to suspect a lot of things this morning.

      1. I’M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.

        1. YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WAS JUST ASKING QUESTIONS?

          1. So-crates?

            1. Turned out well for him.

  4. It’s former Food and Drug Administration chief and _current_ Pfizer board member Scott Gottlieb. There’s some conflict of interest at play there.

    1. Doesn’t apply to the left

  5. Just don’t go along. Send your kids to school. How beautiful would it be just to show up. In mass. Bring your kids to school. Everyone. No drama. No violence. Just show up. Everyone, everywhere. Now THAT’S a peaceful protest

    1. Do you stay with the kids, or leave them and go home?

      1. Stay. Unless or until the teachers start doing their job Or who watches your kids normally? The point would be to organize a best as possible. The left does it all the time.

  6. Because too many people take their cues from the news media. They’ve let the news media make them hateful, always afraid, and borderline insane.

    1. and borderline insane.

      Only borderline?

  7. The backup plan is simple. Out of an abundance of caution, close down all the schools permanently and refund the money to the taxpayers so they can afford to buy a modern PC and a good high speed internet connection for their kids to find high quality online instruction. It’s a great opportunity to advance liberty (lower taxes, pure school choice) and improve educational outcomes (higher quality instruction and more engaged parents).

    1. Assuming that liberty is sitting in front of a PC all day and that an online education is a higher quality education.

  8. The U.K. kept schools open and masks off, and now delta is in their rearview. Why can’t Yanks learn?

    How strong are UK teacher’s unions compared to American teacher’s unions? That might be a clue to what’s going on here.

    1. Nailed it.

  9. the rush to hand the kids back to the government seems ill advised.

  10. Delta is bad, but vaccination is the defense. Delta is now the predominant strain in the US, and those states getting wallowed the hardest are the states with the lowest vaccination rates.

    Get vaccinated!

    p.s. I’m speaking you you libruhls as well. Got into an argument yesterday with a libruhl who said delta was so bad it was all pointless and it didn’t matter if one was vaccinated or not. Bullshit. Look a the statistics of who gets hospitalized. It’s overwhelmingly the unvaccinated. Libruhls need to stop the scare mongering as it’s discouraging vaccinations in favor of wallowing in despair instead. We can beat this if we can get more people vaccinated. No point is just throwing up your hands and giving up.

    1. I’m curious what you think “beating” this will look like.
      I’m optimistic that the vaccines will help reduce severe illness and mortality. But the virus isn’t going anywhere no matter how many people get vaccinated. I don’t find it very plausible that vaccines are a way to control the development of variants. Since the vaccines don’t appear to provide sterilizing immunity, wouldn’t that just encourage variants that are more resistant to vaccination to become dominant (as we’ve seen)?

      1. If everyone got vaccinate some would still get covid but hospitalization would be rare. Full vaccinated would do wonders to lower to infection rate.

        1. Hospitalization for GBS might go up, though.

          In all seriousness, my prediction is that at some point nearly everyone on the planet will have been infected with some flavor of this coronavirus. The upshot of that is eventually there will be a lot of natural immunity protecting the population.

      2. I’m curious what you think “beating” this will look like.

        I realize you weren’t asking me, but I’ll bite.

        To me “beating this” will be when the media stops with the constant fear porn over every new variant and people begin to accept the truth that this virus is part of the environment now – just like every other virus – and begin to use their own common sense and ability to evaluate risks for themselves to make the best decisions for their personal circumstances without the need to politicize their individual choices or virtue signal how superior they are over people who make different choices from them.

        So, when will we actually beat this thing? Based on that definition, never.

        1. The goal is zero infections which will never happen.

          1. We’ll never “beat this” no matter how it’s defined. The government will never give up their golden ticket to more power and control over people’s lives. The media will never give up their fear porn because that’s the only thing driving ratings and clicks. And the vast majority of people will never start using their own ability to think critically and evaluate risks instead of just blindly following whatever the latest “guidance” their “betters” are telling them because they’re brain dead lemmings with no ability to think for themselves and make their own damn decisions. Responsibility is hard. Thinking is hard. Submission is easy.

            1. Thing is, media and governments overreacted. Big time. Because power means never admitting to being wrong, governments are doubling down on the stupidity. And because the media is mostly cowards and lapdogs, they just go along with whatever they’re told.

              I’d like to blame public schools for not teaching critical thinking skills, but if that was the case you’d think older people would be wiser. But they’re not. I see old people driving alone with a mask on, or walking alone on the sidewalk in 85 degree heat and 75% humidity with a mask.

              I don’t know how we’re going to get out of this.

              1. Because power means never admitting to being wrong, governments are doubling down on the stupidity.

                I’m beginning to be convinced that the power ceded because of all of this ended up being the point, if it didn’t start out as such. Just like the Drug War eroded 4th Amendment protections down to nothing, this has been an exercise in getting people to give up voluntarily – no, eagerly – as much personal liberty as possible.

                1. “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”
                  ― H.L. Mencken

            2. Aside from that, all too many of the people supporting this nonsense aren’t affected by it. I wonder whatever happened to the empathy they claim to cherish so much. I don’t have any kids myself but I can still understand why this is so bad.

        2. >>constant fear porn

          the forever shift.

        3. So, we’ll just give up on getting more people to get vaccinated even though every person who gets vaccinated decreases the odds of new variants arising.

          1. oy dude go cure the common cold & get back to us

            1. So, the new mRNA vaccine technology will probably be used for vaccination against the common cold.

            2. Meanwhile, is what I said not correct in some way?

              1. Variants are just as likely in vaxxed people, perhaps more. ADE.

          2. Variants are created by pressure, vaccines – especially leaky vaccines – provide the pressure.

          3. every person who gets vaccinated decreases the odds of new variants arising.

            I’m not sure that’s true. Seems like vaccinations are at least a part of why the Delta is now the dominant variant. More vaccinating means selecting for the virus strains that are more resistant to vaccinated people’s immune systems.

            1. This has been explained to him before, but he just can’t grasp the concept.

              1. She’s just squawking what she’s told to squawk.

            2. I don’t think that’s right.

              The flu vaccine is specific to certain strains (they pick three and hope for the best), and if they get it wrong then the vaccine is useless.

              From what I’ve read the COVID vaccine helps the body fight off not just a specific strain, but the entire family, cousins and all.

              That would mean that while flu vaccines are useless against strains not specifically targeted by the vaccine, COVID vaccines are.

              If so then they’re totally different, and not comparable.

              1. From what I’ve read the COVID vaccine helps the body fight off not just a specific strain, but the entire family, cousins and all.

                That would mean that while flu vaccines are useless against strains not specifically targeted by the vaccine, COVID vaccines are.

                It helps to have the vaccine’s nanobots directly linked through the chip placement. That way, when a new strain is discovered, the DNA makeup is directly uploaded via the Microsoft server network and the strain is re-defined. The nanobots are then called to action with the right protocol to defeat the new Greek labeled assault and humanity is saved!

                1. ^this is how to formulate a joke (for those who need some help in that area)

              2. I don’t claim to know for sure about any of it, but my point is that if the vaccine is less effective, but still somewhat effective, against some strains compared to others, as it appears to be, then I would think that would encourage the new strain to become more prevalent with more vaccination (as we have also seen). Now it could be that Delta just became prevalent because it is more contagious. But I doubt it is pure coincidence that it emerged and took over in the same timeframe as large scale vaccination was happening.

          4. It’s cute that you think that.

      3. “Beating” it will mean infections and hospitalization rates will be so low that people will start telling the government to fuck off. Right now we can’t say that because some states are literally out of spare hospital beds.

        California could do it, but California is inhabited by karens. But the red counties in California are already telling Newsom to fuck off. Teachers going back to school WITHOUT masks because they have been vaccinated. Gosh, what a concept.

        It’s in the politicians best interest to keep you scared. As long as there’s a pandemic raging they have the ammunition to keep you scared. To deny them their oxygen by getting vaccinated.

        1. And people will still die.

          Beating it will also mean new shots yearly for everyone and the resurgence of the flu and other respiratory maladies that have mysteriously disappeared during this period.

        2. Well, I’m not scared and I’ve been telling them to fuck off all along. I don’t know what else I can do.
          I think you are right about what the end has to be. I’m just losing some hope there. I was sure people would have gotten to the “fuck off” point a year ago, yet here we are.

        3. Spare hospital beds: sure is handy how they fired all the nurses who didn’t want to take the vax (unvaxxed heroes last year; unemployed this year) and now the fearmongering can continue apace because presto, no staffed beds! It’s a twofer where they can fuck up the hospital capacity AND punish the vax badthinkers!

          Teachers: And on the other end of the spectrum, large districts in Texas are claiming they are going to defy Gov. Abbott and require students to mask. Not sure what the plan is for enforcement (my kids, including two vaxxed high schoolers, have been instructed to ignore any demand that they put on a mask; we are not in one of those districts but you never know) but the hysterics are out in full force dickswinging on the issue. Meanwhile I’m seeing on social media all the “you have to protect vulnerable hero teachers!!” screeching while at the same time teachers I know are having a great time going to parties and luncheons and traveling. Good for them for doing what they want, but if they’re gonna get zero sympathy or compliance from me when they come home from partying and then demand my kid has to wear a mask for eight hours to protect them. Not my kid’s job even if they were serious about their fear which their behavior shows they are not.

          Denying oxygen by getting vaccinated: How’s that working so far? Has the vax progress so far even slowed down this galloping circus of bullshit?

      4. It is a good question.

        One way of looking at is the number of random mutations. It stands to reason that fewer viruses turning your body into a virus factory means less chance of a mutation causing a greater infectivity rate.

        The other way of looking at it is that having a more resistant population means that a virus better able to overcome that resistance will become the dominant strain.

        Both are true.

    2. Libruhls need to stop the scare mongering as it’s discouraging vaccinations in favor of wallowing in despair instead.

      Misery loves company. They spend their whole lives wallowing in fear and misery so of course they want everyone else to as well.

      1. IF YOU’RE NOT OUTRAGED YOU’RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION!

    3. Delta is bad, but vaccination is the defense. Delta is now the predominant strain in the US, and those states getting wallowed the hardest are the states with the lowest vaccination rates.

      Get vaccinated!

      See my post above from Nature. It won’t be good enough.

      1. The public health apparatus and its key base of support are stuck in March 2020. As a result they’re flubbing the pivot to the period where the benefits of community spread outweigh the risks.

        Every organization manages to it’s metrics, and it’s KPI is still daily new cases. It’s inane.

        1. sp: it’s / its. Stupid phone.

  11. Argument with a libruhl? Don’t you mean an argument with yourself? After all, you said disparaging things about Trump, which makes you a dirty libruhl totalitarian who hates America and eats babies.

    1. That was supposed to be a reply to Merry.

  12. Cuomo resigning!

    Now you know he is a Democrat. A Republican would never resign. Trump picked the right party and so did mini-Trump (Matt Gaetz).

    1. Well, then again, I can’t think of a single Republican governor that is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of senior citizens in his/her state, whilst attempted gropings of a dozen or so aides. So, there is that.

      1. Negligent homicide is okay. It’s the huggy-grabby stuff that is making him resign.

        1. Well. thank God it didn’t involve blackface. No politician can recover from that.

    2. Quite the opposite. It’s much more common for Republicans to resign after being shamed. Come to think of it, I can’t remember the last time a Democrat resigned.

      1. Al Franken

    3. “Now you know he is a Democrat.”

      Huh?

      I already knew he was a Democrat. His handling of the #TrumpVirus has been so amazing, so science-based, that only a Democrat could have turned in such a terrific performance.

      Did you know his book will earn him $5 million? He deserves every penny.

      #LibertariansForCuomo

      1. #We’regonna’needabiggernametorunwithHarrisnow

    4. Now you know he is a Democrat. A Republican would never resign.

      Swallwell’s a Republican?

      Fucking idiot.

  13. “…advising that “close contacts [of infected people] who are not fully vaccinated should…quarantine at home for 14 days after exposure.””

    So does this mean that a student who lives with a parent who cannot be vaccinated because he or she would suffer anaphylactic shock if he or she receive the vaccine would perpetually be in quarantine?

    1. No, the parent would be.

      Seriously, the “of infected people” is what matters here. If the kid was tested and positive they want unvaccinated people who had contact to isolate for 14 days. This made sense before vaccines, with the extremely overcautious approach we took in 2020.

      I mean, yeah, it’s 2021, but don’t expect the Teacher’s Union to stop digging in their heels. It’s good negotiating practice in their minds. And schools have ALWAYS been ridiculously risk averse, and by risk I mean the risk of them being blamed for any decision. Everything has to be zero liability for them. See zero tolerance policies, for example.

      The likelihood, especially after Delta has finished its wave, of this situation occurring will become far less in time.

  14. Why is the media still promoting fear? Biden is president. Everything is okay now.

    1. Check the WEF website

  15. Delta isn’t making people crazy, the left IS crazy (full on psychotic) and the government/media/expert class is determined to create more insanity to seize even more power.
    Stop crediting the virus with leftist actions, you pajama class bitch.

    1. my ff group just put together a draft … at a bar & grill … non-vaxxed are non-vited because the organizer – who organized the draft at a bar & grill – is afraid for his child

      1. What an asshole.
        My ff guys are all up in ATL, and I’m in JAX, so probably won’t have to deal with a decision there, though none are super crazy (except for the woke guy, who’s in his early 30s…)

      2. I’ve heard the same for my children argument. Still waiting for the approval to vaccinate their 2 year old.

  16. …the current red-state hospitalization wave will soon be supplanted by surges up north and along the coasts.

    And it will be the red-state unvaccinated masses who are at fault, as always.

    1. The upside will be that no one in red states will be left alive because of how deadly the disease is. I don’t really know what the left is complaining about. The only places who will have vibrant, healthy, COVID-free populations will be LA and New York.

      1. In California it’s Los Angeles that has it worst. The numbers may look worse in the rural counties, but that’s because the metrics are based on hospital beds, and hospitals in rural counties are damned rare (gee, thanks gub’mnet healthcare).

  17. The U.K. kept schools open and masks off, and now delta is in their rearview. Why can’t Yanks learn?

    Two words: Teachers’ Unions

    1. Elvis, you have a wonderful sense of irony.

  18. I’m sure I’m late to the party, but it sure seems like the progressives are basically “accelerationists” in that they seem to think that everything has to disastrously fail before they can “build back better” or whatever euphemism they’re using now for effectively committing cultural and societal arson, and then remaking society.

    Seriously! Everything from policies that exacerbate wildfires, droughts, and power shortages; to trying to promote racial harmony by calling everything racist. It’s like they don’t actually want to solve the problems or something…

    You guys are probably rolling your eyes like, “No shit!” But it’s a relatively recent revelation for me.

    1. Welcome to the party pal.

      1. Thanks! But I’m not sure I like this particular party, ????.

        1. Meaning, the “party” looks like a depressing and protracted struggle against some pretty bad stuff. *Sigh,* things aren’t going to get more pleasant any time soon, are they?

          1. Probably not. I have no expectations, yet I continue to be disappointed. It’s amazing how stupid our elected officials have become.

  19. “Why can’t Yanks learn?” Better: Why can’t statists learn?
    If anybody acquires children or pets or any obligation that they can’t afford, it’s not a public crisis, a public responsibility. It’s a personal problem. It does have public consequences, but that doesn’t justify giving an elite the privilege to punish the public, i.e., politicians, bureaucrats, LEOs coercing everyone except themselves. No such political power protects rights or the “common good”.
    The solution will be non-violent or it will not happen. Why? Violence against the non-violent is immoral/impractical. For example, the worldwide coercive political paradigm. There is no fundamental difference between any forms of existing government. All use aggression against innocent people, violate rights, in the name of the collective.

  20. Maybe we should actually mandate vaccines and mask mandates and lockdowns at once so we’ll actually suppress the virus and stop generating new resistant variants and not go through the same thing again and again. But like with every war we’ve fought since Korea we just half ass everything and enable the virus to keep mutating.

    1. Let’s say we can wave a magic wand and make covid disappear from America tonight. How long would it take before it was back?

      Trying to isolate yourself away from the virus is the dumbest move in a world of dumb moves.

      1. Half ass it is I guess

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  23. I thought we got lucky with Covid and that the progressive stack wouldn’t come full circle, but here we are again at the “think of the children” phase.

    It’s all so tiresome.

  24. What is so incredibly funny about all of this is that we may have been in the exact same position had we had no locking down and distancing in the first place. Google “rhinovirus beats out coronavirus” or something to that effect. Researchers have found that being infected with the rhinovirus blocks SARS-COV-2 replication inside respiratory cells, thereby preventing covid infection. So if we had all just went about our business and gotten our winter colds…. It is fascinating stuff. Mother Nature’s hilariously twisted irony.

  25. Nothing in the article is wrong, but the headline implies the UK’s experience will be replicated here in the US, and that is not really backed up by science – the UK may have had a very brief surge, of an especially contagious variant, under circumstances of highly relaxed prophylactic measures- AND while schools were in – and that peaked out fast because their herd immunity may be vastly higher than ours- – due to their extended vaccination schedule, which works better for most vaccines, and the fact the most recent vaccinations the second doses, were much more recent in the UK than here.
    And it is important to not confound pre-Delta kid’s morbidity and mortality with Delta kid’s numbers.
    All that said – we have to get the kids back in school – I think with mitigation measures – and we can’t shut down because a couple of kids test positive – but no doubt we will in the Dem areas as the author points out.
    Sorry to drone on, my main point was, he UK experience can not be assumed to replicate here.

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