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Why OnlyFans Is Double-Crossing Sex Workers

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OnlyFans—a website popularized as a place for the sharing and monetizing of erotic imagery—will stop allowing "sexually explicit" content as of October 1. "In order to ensure the long-term sustainability of the platform, and to continue to host an inclusive community of creators and fans, we must evolve our content guidelines," the company said in an emailed statement. "Creators will continue to be allowed to post content containing nudity as long as it is consistent with our Acceptable Use Policy."

The company attributed this change to pressure from banks and payment processors. "These changes are to comply with the requests of our banking partners and payout providers," its statement said. Asked to elaborate, a spokesperson for OnlyFans told me "the platform has no further comments at this time."

Understandably, many sex workers who helped build up OnlyFans and now rely on the site for income are upset—and not mollified by promises that some nudity will still be allowed.

"Please consider telling sex workers that OF will still allow some nudity probably isn't helpful right now," tweeted podcaster and sex worker rights activist Phoenix Calida. "Some of the policy is vague, there's a history of targeting & deplatforming SWs even when their content is within the guidelines. The fears & concerns are justified."

When Facebook and Instagram "updated their terms to crack down on explicit content. What Happened? A bunch of sws got banned for non sw posts. Everything from gofundmes for pets to bikini pics at the beach. All Bc they were sws," Calida added.

A lot of folks have been blaming OnlyFans' pivot away from porn on its desire to be more palatable to venture capitalists. Earlier this year, the company launched a PG version that can be downloaded from Apple and Google's app stores and features things "like cooking tutorials, yoga routines and interviews," notes TechCrunch. "OnlyFans is profitable, but to continue to grow, it is seeking funding at a valuation of over $1 billion."

"OnlyFans would be nothing without the sex workers whose labor built it up into a major platform. Now it's tossing them aside," complained author Kim Kelly, in a sentiment that could be found across Twitter yesterday.

There's no doubt that OnlyFans is screwing over the very users who helped make it successful. But how much culpability the company has and how much anger it deserves are up for debate, since OnlyFans may be a victim in this too.

It's impossible to know how much of this decision relates to marketability and venture capital funding, and how much relates to insurmountable political and financial pressure. But the latter is a very real issue, and not one so easily overcome. It's plagued platform after platform that provide a digital home for sex workers.

We saw this with Craigslist and Backpage, when they were the biggest purveyors of online sex work ads. Authorities pressured them to accept credit card payments, since these would be trackable and usable by prosecutors to help find and punish people who did use the site for exploitation. When Backpage agreed, it was then accused of profiting off exploitation; some even went so far as to threaten Visa and Mastercard if they wouldn't stop doing business with Backpage. Faced with political pressure and public accusations that they were facilitating sex trafficking, the credit card companies complied. The case had to go all the way to a federal appeals court, which ruled that the bullying of the credit card companies to drop Backpage had been unconstitutional. As this all played out, Backpage went back to free adult ads and tried alternative payment methods, like cryptocurrency. Both actions—moves brought about by unconstitutional political pressure—have since been used by prosecutors as evidence of criminal activity such as "money laundering."

The debacle highlights the impossible situation that platforms friendly to sex workers find themselves in these days, where almost any move they make short of ditching all adult elements will be used—in public pressure campaigns, civil lawsuits, and criminal prosecutions—to accuse them of serious wrongdoing. Specifically, activists toss around words like "sex trafficking," "human trafficking," and "child sex abuse material" with abandon, arguing that anything except total capitulation to moral groups' demands is a decision to willfully facilitate these things.

Since Backpage was seized by the feds and Craigslist stopped allowing even personals ads, sites such as OnlyFans and Pornhub have become the next big targets of anti-porn and anti–sex work crusaders, with the media and lawmakers in their thrall.

We've seen the same playbook used against porn sites as was previously used against classified-ad sites, with conservative groups—like the old Morality in Media, now rebranded as the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE), and Exodus Cry—targeting the banks, credit card companies, and payment processors that enable these sites. Meanwhile, the same lawmakers that pushed FOSTA (the 2018 law making hosting prostitution ads a federal crime) have been pressuring the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate OnlyFans.

I'm not saying that OnlyFans has made the right decision in choosing to stop allowing sexually explicit content. But maybe there is no right decision—and authorities have made sure that companies know that. The only ones to really stand up to political pressure and fight back in court have been the folks behind Backpage, and they've been shut down and criminally prosecuted for years, their assets seized and their founders facing the rest of their lives in prison. (The trial starts in September.) There's no doubt that officials wanted to send a message with Backpage, about what happens when platform operators refuse to just roll over and play along with the sex trafficking hysteria.

The most perverse part of it all is that authorities and activists claim to be doing this to "stop sexual exploitation" and save women and children, but their charade only forecloses safer opportunities for sex work, making risk and exploitation more likely while sending digital markets for sex work overseas or underground. They admit this was the case with the Backpage seizure and the passage of FOSTA, yet they plow right ahead with the same antics with whatever new digital platforms become the most popular for sex work.

Now, people are left with one fewer safe and profitable option to engage in sex work on their own terms.

"As anti-porn organizations celebrate, we brace ourselves for the crisis this will likely cause," said the Adult Performance Artists Guild in a statement. "Workers in our industry have families to care for, and this change will push many into potential homelessness."

It would be remiss to lay all the background blame on religious activists and government officials, of course. There are plenty of progressive and centrist feminists who crusade against sex work, too. And the progressive crusade in favor of devaluing free speech online and for holding the internet platforms and the infrastructure behind them (web hosting companies, email marketing companies, payment processors, etc.) responsible for user-generated content also puts us in this situation.

"This was the inevitable result not just of right wing fundamentalist moral panic over sex work, but also of DC based progressive nonprofits constantly calling for more deplatforming even at the infrastructure layer, and ignoring warnings about why it was a bad idea," tweets Evan Greer of the digital rights group Fight for the Future.


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  1. ENB finally notices operation choke point exists when it hits her favorite topic.
    ENB if you had a brain and read the comments you wouldn’t be more than a decade behind the curve

    1. How many times have I drawn the line for them, connecting the dots from Obama’s Operation Choke Point to the deplatforming of conservative voices? This was the point all along. And they really didn’t hide it. Remember, they went after porn actors, check cashing stores and gun stores using the power of the federal government.

      It was blatantly unconstitutional and arguably directly fascist. But when it morphed into a quiet, back chanel arrangement reason spent their energy arguing against the critics instead of supporting free association and freedom of expression… All because they picked Alex Jones as the poster child.

      1. I think the move is stupid, but seeing ANYBODY at THIS site whining about it rich.

        We WARNED you. For a long time now. YOUR quite public support of this behavior towards groups you did not like, ENB, led to this and you have way fewer people willing to support your cause here.

        1. Poor oppressed conservatives. Poor poor oppressed conservatives.

          1. You seem to not like it when people call put intellectual inconsistencies. Wonder why. .

            1. Well, he lacks the intellect to have those types of inconsistencies regardless.

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          3. Or, applied to ENB, “Poor oppressed porno stars. Poor poor oppressed porno stars.”

            1. And there is actually a large degree of truth to that statement. Sex workers HAVE been historically marginalized and oppressed. Where is prostitution legal again in this country? Oh right, only in some parts of only one state.

              Conservatives, on the other hand, have an enormous amount of power and influence in this country, and claims that they are some oppressed group are insulting really.

              1. Off topic, but what do you get paid to do this each day?

              2. Hahhahahahahahhaahgahaagahha

              3. Way to ignore the logical inconsistencies people are calling out and to resort to another argument against something nobody is making. What’s that word? Oh. Strawman.

                1. Just one of the many, many ways, that Lying Jeffy is dishonest.

          4. Poor oppressed conservatives

            Yes, all those “conservatives” like Naomi Wolf and the OnlyFans content producers. If your boss pays you $0.50 for that post, then you’re stealing from him.

            1. LOL

          5. “WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE HOOKERS?!?!?! Screw everybody else, of course, just not the hookers” — Chemjeff

            I thought you were BIG on the “MUH PRIVATE PLATFORMS” schtick. Does it not apply here? Are “Sex workers” supposed to be able to force people to house their material?

            1. Are “Sex workers” supposed to be able to force people to house their material?

              Nope. I don’t make that argument and neither does ENB.

              1. She very much is, son.

                1. Point out where she says OnlyFans should be forced to provide a forum to sex workers.

                  1. You were shown below.

                  2. Explain how to be double crossed in something you have zero claim to. Feel free to show your work.

            2. I thought screwing the hookers was the whole point of the job…

            3. Let me know when the baker is not forced to bake the cake.

        2. Myopic Senior Editor was warned over an over again. Now shocked to discover the crocodile is not going to eat her pet project last.

      2. They have the deductive abilities and short-sightedness of angry toddlers I swear.

        How many times, on how many different topics, are they told that if they shrug or explain away when the govt goes after freedoms for someone they dont like, that *gasp* they might (and probably will) eventually turn on you and that’s the point of having fucking principles.

        Fucking clowns

        1. Hey, now! Have some perspectivec. You cannot drink principles the way you can drink a cocktail with the cosmopolitan elite …

        2. Where did Reason ever say that Operation Choke Point was a good idea or supported it?

          1. – 20

          2. Read their articles in defense of silicon valley dipshit. They don’t give a shit about government collusion.

          3. As soon as it went undercover, they started pretending all the manifestations of it were just voluntary choices by businesses.

        3. You are mistaking “principles” with “emotional outrages”.

          1. How so? You’re pretty much flinging shit at this point and hoping it will stick.

          2. The fact that you dont seem to understand principles, while at the same time showing up to go to bat consistently for every lefty, collectivist “emotional outrage” makes this comment even more delicious.

            1. So all you have is tu quoque. I am right, the main complaint here is not that Reason has abandoned principles, but that they don’t emotionally validate right-wing grievance as often as they think they should.

              1. No, you’re incapable of seeign that Reason decides when their principles are valid, in other words they aren’t principles. You do the same. You are dismissing all principles when they are applied to who you perceive as enemies.

      3. Choke point while talking about only fans. Are we phrasing again. That said onlyfans using the banks as an excuse to deflect from the government pulling the strings of the bank. This is censorship by government proxy

        1. Also why can i only see comments and make comments on my cell phone but not on my computer?

          1. Oh sorry, my bad. I’ll fix that for you.

            – NSA analyst.

            1. Actual LOL. Thanks for that!

          2. Are you logged in on your computer?

        2. That said onlyfans using the banks as an excuse to deflect from the government pulling the strings of the bank.

          Do you have evidence for this claim?

          1. Yes, the innumerable amount of times federal and state governments and their agencies have publicly and privately pressured the banks to do their bidding.

            It happens daily at hundreds of institutions across the country.

            Now answer me as to why you’re trying to pretend it’s in the financial industry’s interests to shut down OnlyFans.

            1. <iit’s in the financial industry’s interests to shut down OnlyFans.

              Bank have customers. Customers could keep their money in pillowcases instead of the bank. Ipso facto – banks are driven to deplatform sex work because conservatives will punish banks even though they have have no way of knowing who their bank does business with.

              Do I get my $.50?

              1. Better job at using logic than chemjeff, that’s for sure.

            2. What makes his request for a cite even better is Reason has written articles talking about them doing this very thing for pot dispensaries in CO and WA.

    2. Lol. Same conclusion I had on this topic.

    3. Her tears are delicious.

    4. Maybe ENB is into choking. Eh? Eh? KnowwhatImean? Nudge?-Nudge?

    5. “In order to ensure the long-term sustainability of the platform, and to continue to host an inclusive community of creators and fans, we must evolve our content guidelines,”

      This is probably the only instance in the Natural Universe when evolution results in self-extinction.

      1. Corporate Newspeak.

    6. To repeat, you can’t spell brain dead without E, N and B.

    7. She only concerns herself with Operation Chokesondick

  2. Reason makes my brain hurt.

    We are not worried when overwhelming social and political pressure leads Twitter, Facebook and YouTube to become censors of political speech…. But when they come for the sex workers, that is when we can find our outrage?!?

    1. Fucking for money is a central tenet of “Libertarianism.” Protecting free speech? Opposing medical tyranny? Preserving constitutional integrity? Not so much.

      1. It’s all quite simple really. Reason writers are permitted their own pet projects so long as they toe the line as it concerns everything else their benefactors want.

        There is nothing principle bound here, and there has not been for quite some time.

        1. Well stated. ENB, as I understand it, has long had a soft spot for sex work and sex workers as a topic.

          It’s fair that she has a field of interest and so writes about it frequently. But it isn’t part of a broader libertarian ideological view, it’s just “stop being mean to the hookers and johns”.

          1. Isn’t stopping being mean what libertarianism boils down to?

            1. If “mean” means coercive and fraudulent, then yes.

          2. My problem is that they’re amost universally actually saying “Stop being mean to the pimps and johns.”

            I mean, a lot of sex worker activism is focused on that, and maintaining access to sex workers–that’s why they insist that sex trafficking doesn’t exist, because otherwise? Oh noes, they have to actually care about if the sex worker they pick is a fellow consenting adult.

            The thing is, if you’re a libertarian? That should be automatically what you want. Slavery, under any name, is antithetical to libertarianism. (And the claims you can’t find convictions are very much ignoring that it generally gets pled down because the laws are written to make it very difficult to get a conviction. Some laws are bad simply because they just functionally aren’t enforceable…)

    2. “Then it will have to come out, Cyto Gumby!”

    3. See you next Tuesday, Liz

  3. “The company attributed this change to pressure from banks and payment processors.”

    Looks like OnlyFans just needs to create its own banks and payment processors.

    #Libertarianism101

    1. A bank for sex workers? Would that be a Shavings and Moan? FDICK insured?

      1. Spank bank.

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          1. The developer of a sperm bank was told, If you build it they will cum

      2. Do they make Home Iniquity loans?

    2. Thank You

  4. There’s no doubt that OnlyFans is screwing over the very users who helped make it successful.

    Private company, Reason. Private. Company. The magic words have been uttered, and all debate on the matter must therefore cease.

    1. Yeah, i seem to remember just earlier this month that banning people based on their unwillingness to disclose personal healthcare information is A-Okay because PRIVATE COMPANY!

    2. Only Fans sex workers were probably spreading misinformation.

      1. About the size of their…needle?

      2. You misspelled thighs

    3. OnlyFans is screwing over the very users who helped make it successful

      Poppycock! Read the TOS, I am sure it allows Only Fans to update the terms whenever and however Only Fans see fit to do so. Holding Only Fans to the prior terms would be compelling them to facilitate speech they no longer agree with. That would be akin to forced servitude. These users are trying to sex traffic the employees of Only Fans!

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      1. Unless they pay triple time on Fridays you just pissed away a buck. You’re not even a professional troll are you.

        1. Seems he’s just trying out for the gig, and needs some work. Yet he’s still already better than Lying Jeffy!

  5. Planned parenthood is challanging an abortion bill in Montana?
    Are that that hard up for a new source of products of conception they can sell?

    1. I think they make far more selling dead babies to labs, than stopping pregnancies.
      It’s like the beef marketing board pretending that they’re just here to stop unplanned cattle.

  6. “They would ban abortion after 20 weeks of gestation”

    Literally. The. Handmaid’s. Tale.

    #JustAClumpOfCells

    1. 20 weeks is about 4.6 months, for those of you in Rio Linda.

      1. Lol. I haven’t heard that phrase in a long time. I didn’t agree with him on some things, and he definitely got things wrong at times, but damn, what an entertainer. He really revolutionized talk radio, and there won’t be anybody else like him.

  7. OnlyFans is a private company, Sis.

    1. If they were pubic, they would not be doing this.

  8. Why does every narrative White Mike, jeff. Dol, spb, end up being wrong.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/fbi-finds-scant-evidence-that-january-6-riot-was-result-of-organized-plot-to-overturn-election-reuters

    Fbi is now saying no evidence of plot to overturn the election on Jan 6th.

    1. “the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.”

      1. I look forward to seeing this on the evening news.

        1. It will be second, just behind a post mortem of Biden’s Afghanistan withdrawal catastrophe.

      2. Why bother with facts when the narrative is in jeopardy? I still hear people say Sicknick wasmurdered with a fire extinguisher.

        1. AOC accidentally sat on a piece of Brian Sicknick’s brain that the coroner’s office neglected to clean when taking a maskless selfie on the Capitol steps the other day! She was wearing a white pantsuit! The brain stain on her derrière is an ever lasting reminder that she was almost raped and killed on January 6th!

        2. And the protest is commonly labeled as “Deadly!”, when the only death was that poor woman murdered by the cop.

    2. Probably because they fear what any real investigation into said plot would show.

      Precedent: Michigan Whitmer Plot. Discovery in that case has been like pulling teeth, but the more we learn, the worse our protectors begin to look.

      1. Only to people who haven’t been paying attention (which is most people, I guess). The FBI has been manufacturing crimes FOREVER.

    3. “Ugh, derp, they said scant>/i> evidence, which is not the same as no evidence, you stupid Trump dick licking cultist retard! So, moron, there is still evidence, even if it is not overwhelming, but that just means they can still discover more evidence later — but that possibility never even crossed your little cultist ball sucking brain, did it, cultist?”

      -jeffmikedolwhiteknight

      1. This is probably their initial response followed by ignoring it for weeks then quietly avoiding the topic unless another blm riot happens.

        1. Brian Sicknick was fucking murdered, and you’re laughing?

      2. Maybe they’ll go with “the RUSSIANS got to the FBI!!!!”

    4. But they are still in jail for insurrection.

    5. Fbi is now saying no evidence of plot to overturn the election on Jan 6th.

      Well, they orchestrated it, so I guess they would know best.

      1. There is also no evidence of a plot for an orderly exit from Afghanistan.

        1. We found archaeological evidence, but it was carbon-dated to the previous regime.

    6. Hmm, 3.5 hours and no response from them.

      1. It took White Mike 9 days to admit to CNN retraction of fire extinguisher deaths. Give it time. He is looking for another angle first.

        1. Maybe today was a methadone clinic appointment.

  9. There is a very big difference in financial contribution according to the reason for gaining entry to the country:

    Those coming to take up a job generate a positive net contribution of, on average, €125,000 ($152,500) per immigrant.

    Those coming to study cost €75,000 ($91,500) per immigrant.

    Those entering for “family formation” or “family reunification” cost €275,000 ($335,500) per immigrant. (Get one immigrant, then get their marriage partner, then get other family members including elderly parents).

    Asylum seekers cost €475,000 ($579,500) per immigrant.

    1. It refuses to let me post the link to the study, so search on the text or on Ron Coleman’s twitter feed.

  10. From what I hear, OnlyFans was not created to be a safe haven for sex work. It was created as competition to Patreon for artists sharing their work. They were never comfortable with the sex work that had been taking over their model. While they have profited from it, they do not want to be known as a porn site and are concerned that is what their reputation is becoming.

    Interesting that a platform trying to shed a reputation they do not want is a problem for ENB now that it is one of her interests being negatively impacted.

    1. I expect they’ll have a difficult time shaking that reputation, though. I think they let it grow for way too long. Who in their right mind is going to say, “Hey everyone, check out my OnlyFans!” when promoting their project? It’d be like setting up your podcast on xvideos.

      1. BAIT AND SWITCH!

      2. You are probably correct in that is already how OnlyFans is known, and they may have committed suicide by trying to act to change it now.

    2. they do not want to be known as a porn site
      Seems like it might be too late. I didn’t know they were supposed to be anything else.

      1. Me neither. I thought it was a strange name for a camwhore site, but never contemplated how it came about.

      2. >they do not want to be known as a porn site

        Yeah, I don’t want to be known as a fat, middle aged idiot, but having spent decades getting here, I somehow doubt anything I do or say will make me into a young and handsome man. Your reputation is who you are, and your brand as a company is how people know you and nobody would know OnlyFans without the naughty parts.

        But, who knows? Maybe OnlyFans will get a marvelous rebranding.

    3. That may indeed be their story. They may even believe it.

      But, practically speaking their model was the YouTube model – don’t question the questionable until it is financially safe to do so.

    4. “becoming”? lol

    5. This is the same shit that happened with Tumblr. That site was never meant to be a haven for sex stuff, either, it just happened that way organically. It also got eliminated for the same reason, because Tumblr was trying to go mainstream and knew it would be harder to get funding streams established if it was known as a pr0n site.

    6. Most libertarian broad that has ever blown Rico for an editor title.

    7. So, like Substack. Or BandCamp. And like another vehicle from some years ago that quickly either turned into, or revealed itself as, a type of pyramid scheme.

  11. Did COVID-19 kill minimalism?

    Ima say ‘no’, at least when it comes to government minimalism.

  12. “Why OnlyFans Is Double-Crossing Sex Workers”

    Sounds like somebody is upset over the action of a private company. They don’t owe sex workers a platform, you know. They could just make their own company, amirite? They could also just create their own financial system as Reason suggests conservatives do who dislike social media.

    You SUPPORTED this ENB. Deal with your support.

    1. They don’t owe sex workers a platform, you know.

      You’re right! They don’t! Where did ENB say that sex workers are entitled to a platform on OnlyFans or anywhere?

      This isn’t hypocrisy, this is just you being upset that ENB and others don’t wallow in right-wing victimhood mentality as deeply as you all do.

      It is just sad to see the right-wing become more and more the mirror image of the left-wing.

      Left-wing: It’s not enough to be tolerant, you must also be accepting!
      Right-wing: It’s not enough to defend our rights, you must emotionally support our cause!

      1. She should not even be complaining. Complaining about things that private companies do is fascist.

        1. Complain all you want. What you all want is not defense of your rights, but emotional validation.

          1. I’m not complaining. I don’t care about OnlyFans. ENB is complaining, which is rich considering that anytime the subject of censorship and government orchestrated deplatforming comes up in any other context and even marginally touches upon something conservatives view as important her response is “suck it, crybaby, it’s a private company.”

            1. “government orchestrated deplatforming”

              Now that’s stealing a base.

              And you are proving my point, the problem here is not the lack of principles, it’s the lack of outrage.

              1. No, dummy, it’s the double standard. But you know that, it’s just easier to act like an obtuse fatbody.

              2. I thought your lack of ability to analyze a topic and make an argument was just severely lacking when it came to CRT because you are clearly a collectivist left wing defender. Apparently it spills over into all topics. ENB’s clearly being called on her behavior for her emotional outrage about this while never thinking to defend anyone she happened to disagree with on the same principle, because she happened to not like their politics. Its a double standard, its short sighted, and that you cant seem to see what would be plain as day to the most dull of the citizenry is not a good look.

                Or you are just covering for lefties.

                1. you are clearly a collectivist left wing defender

                  liar

                  while never thinking to defend anyone she happened to disagree with on the same principle

                  She does defend them ON PRINCIPLE. She doesn’t defend them on an emotionally validating level, that is true. She’s not equally outraged over everything. Quelle horreur! Neither is anyone else. She is biased against right-wingers, I think that much is evident. But to her credit she applies the same *principled standard* to both. Yes she is more outraged when something bad happens on a subject she obviously cares deeply about, then when it happens in relation to other topics. I can’t fault anyone for that really.

                  1. You, like ENB, are hypocrites.

                  2. I can’t fault anyone for that really.

                    [Citation Needed]

                  3. Yes she is more outraged when something bad happens on a subject she obviously cares deeply about, then when it happens in relation to other topics. I can’t fault anyone for that really.

                    Not being able to fault people for their hypocrisy and myopia is a sure sign that you are a myopic hypocrite.

                  4. You may not be a leftist, though I suspect you came to whatever you consider libertarianism from the left, but you are most definitely a collectivist.

              3. If you get outraged over one violation of your principles, but not any others, then you don’t have ‘principles’, you just have an excuse.

                When the ACLU actually supported free speech, they defended Nazis and Klansmen. Not because they liked Nazis and Klansmen, or agreed with them, but because they saw that the principle of free speech means defending free speech for everybody.

                If you accept that it’s okay to silence Nazis and Klansmen, then you can extend that justification to just about anyone you want. And then you don’t have freedom of speech.

                1. If you get outraged over one violation of your principles, but not any others, then you don’t have ‘principles’, you just have an excuse.

                  No that’s just not true. Principles are not about one’s outrage factor. Principles are principles. People are not robots and they care about some issues more than others. Expecting individuals to have an equal *emotional* connection to every single issue is ridiculous, and not even necessary in order to support the principle of the matter.

                  If you accept that it’s okay to silence Nazis and Klansmen, then you can extend that justification to just about anyone you want. And then you don’t have freedom of speech.

                  No one is saying that it is OKAY to silence Nazis and Klansmen. That is the principle of the matter. But it is perfectly fine and acceptable to not be as *emotionally sympathetic* to the “plight” of Nazis and Klansmen as to the plight of other groups who actually have suffered at the hands of oppression.

                  1. Principles are principles. People are not robots and they care about some issues more than others.

                    Uh, the level of “caring” shouldn’t be relevant here, you moron. If “principles are principles,” then “MUH PHREE ASSOSIASHUN!” doesn’t matter when it comes to principles of free speech and free expression on any social media platform.

                    Again, just like Tumblr in the past, OnlyFans is trying to keep from getting choked off from bank and credit financing streams, so they’re shutting down the pr0n in an effort to keep their business growing. I think it’s stupid just like ENB, but this is the endgame of the government colluding with Big Tech and the banksters to determine what’s “acceptable” and what isn’t.

                    1. To quote a famous meme, “Don’t call it a grave, it’s the future you chose.”

                  2. Except your principles are your principals.
                    No matter how you try and pretend you’re not fooling anyone. Particularly when your principles have never once deviated from whatever the Democratic Party narrative is at any particular moment.

                2. Very well written
                  I agree with every word you said

              4. You realize there is zero outrage from me over OnlyFans losing its porn. Have never been to OnlyFans and cannot conceivably care less about something unless TikTok gets banned (I might care less about that). I think it’s endlessly amusing, though, watching people get hoisted upon their own petards.

      2. If you see jeff’s name, it’s sort of like turd:
        in turds case, you know it’s a lie.
        jeff simply cannot post without dragging in a strawman.
        Tiresome.

      3. “Where did ENB say that sex workers are entitled to a platform on OnlyFans or anywhere?”

        Um…where I am from, you don’t use the term “doublecross” unless you feel like you had an entitlement that was not being honored.

        1. Jeff knows, but he’s struggling on this one.
          It’s hard to shill censorship on a libertarian site to begin with, even harder when when you have to pretend that the government isn’t behind it.

        2. In the sense that damikesc used the term, it was in terms of a legal entitlement.

          1. A distinction without a difference.

          2. As said earlier by overt…you cannot be double crossed if you have no actual right to the service in the first place.

  13. Texas democrats will never give up fighting against jim eagle voting laws!!! Quickly redefine never to mean just about 40 days.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/texas-dems-trickle-back-quorum-reached-to-vote-on-gop-voting-bills

    1. Remember, if a single Democrat votes for it, it is officially bipartisan.

      1. Did you see that the new jim eagle voting laws in GA led to only a 95% voter sign up for eligible voters?

        1. It’s like apartheid S Africa.

          1. They might even have to walk from their car in the parking into the DMV to get an ID, instead of having a free one delivered to their door in 18K gold foil and diamond-dust lace by a trio of government workers.

            Truly a modern-day Trail of Tears!

            1. They weren’t paid for the walk to the mailbox. Therefore it is a voting restriction. – Jeff

              1. Also, this is not left wing grievance. Only the right traffics in nonsense grievance.

                – jeff.

          2. You forgot the “literally.”

  14. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/13/is_china_buying_blackrock_143185.html#!

    There has to be someone on the buy side to pay for all this Wall Street-minted SOE paper. Nearly 40% of the BlackRock-managed iShares Emerging Markets ETF is represented by this Chinese paper. How much of it is pure dross is hard to say, as U.S. regulators in the form of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, established by the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, are prevented from overseeing audits of these companies. That has rung alarm bells with the SEC, which has oversight responsibility for the board. On May 4, SEC Chairman Jay Clayton warned about the consequences of the inability of U.S. regulators to inspect for compliance and enforce U.S. securities rules and regulations. Such investing entails “significant disclosure, financial reporting and other risks,” Clayton said — risks that Main Street investors should better understand.

    When the lipstick comes off the pig, it’s not a pretty sight. That happened to two companies in BlackRock’s emerging markets ETF only last month. On April 2, China’s Luckin Coffee announced that some of its employees, including its chief operating officer, fabricated 2.2 billion yuan ($310 million) in sales from the second quarter to the fourth quarter of last year. The SEC has announced that it is launching a probe into the apparent fraud. Five days later, Tal Education Group, a K-12 tutoring provider, announced that it had uncovered that one of its employees had inflated sales by forging contracts. Reports suggest that the fraud could have been taking place as far back as 2016.

    “You need a trusted partner who is not only an expert on China but can apply their knowledge, expertise and judgement in creating portfolios that can deliver the best of Chinese markets to you,” America’s largest asset manager says on the “Why BlackRock for China” page of its website. Noticeably absent is any warning about the lack of oversight and enforcement of U.S. auditing standards that so worries the SEC. Instead, there’s a statement on how the Chinese authorities are making their capital markets “more squarely aligned with international standards.” Pull the other one.

    And while marketing Chinese investments that lack the basic auditing safeguards of U.S. companies, BlackRock is threatening to vote against boards that do not apply burdensome environmental reporting standards that have no statutory or regulatory standing — this, amid the deepest economic crisis since the Great Depression. BlackRock’s hypocrisy speaks for itself: punishing American companies that decline to apply entirely voluntary standards while being mute about Chinese companies’ lack of audit oversight and enforcement. There could hardly be a more blatant case of double standards.

    1. BlackRock’s Weekly Market Commentary: A bipolar US-China world order
      https://moneymarketing.co.za/blackrocks-weekly-market-commentary-a-bipolar-us-china-world-order/

      The pandemic has accelerated the rewiring of globalization – with a bipolar U.S.- China world order at its center. We see the Biden administration taking a sharply different approach to China in trade and climate policy. Yet overall tensions look set to stay elevated amid ongoing economic and technological competition – and we believe investors need exposures to both poles of global growth.

  15. Joe’s economy has ended Topps trading cars. Memories of the 80s trashed.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/topps-baseball-cards-loses-mlb-contract

  16. Saw the headline and knew the author. Some folks pick a lane and usually stay in it.

  17. When Backpage agreed, it was then accused of profiting off exploitation; some even went so far as to threaten Visa and Mastercard if they wouldn’t stop doing business with Backpage.

    Good thing Reason doesn’t support this type of collusive behavior with silicon valley or other companies.

    1. Yes, but in this very page chemjeff swears that isn’t happening.

  18. https://twitter.com/exjon/status/1428511758533021696

    They’re … just considering this now?

    We’re in the best of hands.
    Quote Tweet
    Axios
    @axios
    · 14h
    U.S. officials are concerned that, in addition to the Taliban using the weapons against civilians, the equipment could be seized by ISIS or handed over to China or Russia.

    1. Reason frequents the comments section for article ideas. Maybe the DoD and DoS also should for intelligence.

  19. Yet again, ENB attempts to deflect attention away from the incompetence of her favored president by focusing on sex.

    ABC News edited out a key portion of George Stephanopoulos’
    interview with the Big Guy about Afghanistan because he was incoherent and made a fool of himself (and America).
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/08/20/the-part-of-bidens-interview-with-stephanopoulos-that-is-raising-eyebrows-n2594463

    All of America’s enemies and allies know that Joe is incompetent, and also know that left wing media propagandists (who are Biden lackeys) refuse to tell Americans the truth.

    The world is much more dangerous now.

    1. I don’t know what you are complaining about. ABC would have done the same thing to protect President Trump were he to have had any unflattering moments during an interview….

      1. Unflattering to whom?

        1. derp

      2. ^ Proof positive that sarcasm is still possible on the internet.

      1. He speaks in word salad 90% of the time.

        1. Don’t most leftists?

    2. Strange given Stephanopoulos’ impartiality.

      1. Stephanopoulos is known for his political neutrality and total lack of party affiliation.
        Isn’t this kinda like letting the MyPillow CEO interview Trump and pretending it’s actual journalism?

  20. Deep state may force Biden out early to cover their own asses
    https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1428495423912779787

    This was just five days after Biden told the public it was “highly unlikely”
    Quote Tweet
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    @JacquiHeinrich
    · 16h
    Police cars revolving lightNEW, thread: my colleague @RichEdsonDC confirms WSJ reporting, that about two dozen State Dept officials in Kabul sent a memo to Blinken, other top officials July 13th, warning of potential Kabul collapse soon after withdrawal deadline, offering recs on mitigation & speedy evac

    1. I watched CNN, ABC and NBC yesterday. Top administration officials were clear… This never happened. Nobody could have known. And every contingency was planned for.

      1. I can’t even fathom why they’re going with this. This isn’t the cover they think it is. If every contingency was planned for, then your planning sucked, and your plans failed spectacularly and everyone on earth watched them fail in real time.

        If you planned for every contingency and the past week is the result, you’re as incompetent as you would be if you hadn’t planned for any of them.

      2. And they won’t do it again, either!

    2. Biden administration throwing the deep state under the bus. What was it Schumer said about crossing the IC again?

  21. “The only ones to really stand up to political pressure and fight back in court have been the folks behind Backpage, and they’ve been shut down and criminally prosecuted for years, their assets seized and their founders facing the rest of their lives in prison.”

    What right do they have to demand that banks do business with them? Asking out of a perverse enjoyment of watching Reason try to be consistent.

    1. “Take away my speech; take away my guns; take away my freedom; but god protect you from the wrath of the oppressed if you take away my right to fuck for money and sell close-up pictures of my asshole online.”

      Reason

  22. https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1428441362530189318

    Rachel Dolezal launches OnlyFans for ‘foot pics’ and ‘squats’

    1. How long until Hunter Biden gets an only fans account?

      1. As a bona fide artist, he absolutely deserves it …

      2. Toke bets for the hookers in his videos.

  23. https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1428449620997414919

    State Dept’s Overseas Security Advisory Council said Aug. 14: “Repatriation flights are not free, & passengers will be required to sign a promissory loan agreement & may not be eligible to renew their U.S. passports til the loan is repaid. Cost may be $2,000 or more per person.”

    1. Someone has to finance the Taliban to protect Americans and Afghan allies from harm as they attempt to leave the country.

    2. Gonna cost a lot to repair the flack-damage on those planes.

      1. PR men damaged planes?

    3. And I’m sure all of those Afghan men on the flight are totally good for it.

  24. https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1428022270446952460

    Roughly half of U.S. adults (48%) now say the government should take steps to restrict false information online, even if it means losing some freedom to access and publish content. That is up from 39% in 2018.

    1. https://twitter.com/ltthompso/status/1428710385897639938

      This shift towards censorship is driven entirely by a dramatic, authoritarian lurch among Democrats.

      1. But they promise no mean conservative tweets.

    2. So no more streaming pressers from Biden or Fauci.

    3. The campaign against “misinformation,” especially during the election and the pandemic, has been shockingly successful. The government, the corporate media, and our tech overlords have styled themselves as the arbiters of The Truth ™ and anyone who disagrees must be unpersonned. Nevermind if it turns out later that said unperson was actually correct (e.g., Wuhan lab leak theory). The Truth is fluid, after all.

      1. Really, it seems the problem is social media itself. It gives an undeserved elevated platform to every crank with a “theory”. In the time before social media, the crank’s reach only went as far as the people around him/her. Now, the crank and the expert appear side by side on the same platform.

        1. But at the same time, it’s revealing that the “experts” are frequently just self-inflated tin-pot dictators with an agenda or a lucrative undisclosed conflict of interest, making the “crank” seem, in the eyes of many, to be the less evil one.

          1. No, that is just cynicism and black/white thinking. “The experts are not 100% morally pure, so therefore their recommendations are 100% false.”

            1. I’m describing a state of affairs, retard, not stating how things should be.

              And no, it’s not that the experts “are not 100% morally pure,” it’s that many of them are corrupt, morally reprehensible frauds.

              1. “Because some are bad, therefore, believe the cranks.”

                1. Does anyone here really think an actual libertarian would be shilling for Top Men on a purportedly libertarian website.

                  If anyone here didn’t realize by now that chemjeff is a fifty-center, here’s your proof.

                2. You understand the difference between descriptive and prescriptive, no? Are you really that fucking stupid or are you so dishonest and driven by hate for your fellow citizens that you refuse to even engage in a conversation about what is motivating them?

                  Jesus F. Christ, I made the mistake of actually trying to have a good faith dialogue with you. I won’t make that mistake again.

                  1. And why aren’t you engaging in my argument about why people choose to believe cranks over experts? Cynicism, black/white thinking, and I would add confirmation bias as well. A desire to find some nugget of rationalization to justify their own pre-existing beliefs. We see that with the persistent criticism of Fauci over his initial recommendations on masks.

                    “He was wrong on masks at the start of the pandemic, so therefore HE’S LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING and I won’t wear a mask!!!” (when in reality, just finding some rationalization for a pre-existing disposition against wearing masks in the first place)

                    Once again, even if there are some experts who are wrong, even if some are corrupt, it doesn’t mean “now let’s go believe the idiot with a youtube channel”. THAT is my point.

                    1. You’re not an expert then, you need to have mastery of a skill and being wrong doesn’t show me that.

                    2. And why aren’t you engaging in my argument about why people choose to believe cranks over experts?

                      Because the “experts” credibility is in the toilet, and you’re just huffing copium about it at this point?

                    3. Your “argument,” such as it was, was to sarcastically misrepresent my position. I made efforts to clarify and got the same type of response. So no, i’m not going to bother any further with someone who is simultaneous hate-filled, stupid, and not arguing in good faith.

                    4. Anyone who ever attempts honest arguments on wotj Jeff goes through these stages. Deep, youre almost to the just calling Jeff an obese retard/sophist stage. Even Ken got there.

                    5. So you didn’t like my tone. Oh boo hoo.

                    6. Deflect and redirect. And everything is grey so it can be whatever you want it to be at any given moment.

                    7. LOL at collectivistjeff coming back to prove everything that was said about him is accurate, yet thinking he got in a zinger

                    8. A classic Lying Jeffy thread!

                3. What makes them a crank? Seems a spurious way to discredit someone i.e. the back to the censorship part.

                  1. Because they’re not experts! If they were experts, they wouldn’t be cranks!

                  2. For starters, people who uses logical fallacies and agenda-driven arguments to arrive at a pre-determined conclusion. Those tend to be cranks.

                    Also, while a person doesn’t need specialized formal study or training in a field in order to be knowledgeable in a subject, it tends to help greatly, and the armchair Twitter immunologists don’t have the experience to deal with new situations like pandemics of novel diseases. You can’t just look at a bunch of numbers and understand what is going on. You have to know the meaning behind these numbers, what they truly represent. And that can be difficult to know sometimes.

                    1. For starters, people who uses logical fallacies and agenda-driven arguments to arrive at a pre-determined conclusion.

                      Arguments like, “your parents are dumber than you”.

                    2. “people who uses logical fallacies and agenda-driven arguments to arrive at a pre-determined conclusion. Those tend to be cranks.”

                      But collectivistjeff keeps calling them experts

                    3. You’ve done nothing but use logical fallacies and sophistry this morning.

                4. No, more like “these people have lost their credibility so time to look for decent sources of information among all the cranks.” Just because a bunch of weirdos opine on a subject does not mean that everyone taking a heterodox view is a crank.

            2. “The experts are not 100% morally pure, so therefore their recommendations are 100% false.”

              COVID was a medical experiment gone horribly wrong that the medical establishment worked as hard as they could to try and cover up.

              They also claimed visiting granny would spread COVID but mass riots for BLM would not.

              Also said we desperately needed more hospital beds last year and when tons more were offered, they went unused in many cities.

              Cannot figure out why people might doubt them.

              1. They also claimed visiting granny would spread COVID but mass riots for BLM would not.

                Who exactly claimed that social justice protests “would not” spread COVID?

                I did see plenty of individuals who claimed that people ought to weigh the risks of getting COVID vs. the benefits of protesting in favor of social justice. But I never saw anyone who claimed that protesting for social justice “would not” spread COVID.

                You don’t help your case when you misrepresent what the experts actually said.

                1. “”However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators’ ability to gather and demand change. This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders.””

                  https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

                  1. One of the many different ways that Lying Jeffy is dishonest, is he pretends he’s unaware of things that have been commented on and linked to repeatedly.

                  2. From your link:

                    “Prepare for an increased number of infections in the days following a protest,” the letter says. “Provide increased access to testing and care for people in the affected communities, especially when they or their family members put themselves at risk by attending protests.”

                    Oh, so these same people not only did NOT say that social justice protests “would not” spread COVID, but they fully expected that they would, but that, *in their opinion*, the benefits outweighed the risks. Got it now.

                    1. Do the experts you want us to defer to are making political decisions. So they aren’t acting as experts. Glad we cleared that up fatty.

        2. But I concur that social media is a pox on humanity and should be destroyed.

          1. agreed 100%

          2. I disagree somewhat.

            The sheer volume of users and posts makes it nearly impossible to censor everything they’d like to.
            Despite their best efforts, to this point, unapproved information still gets out.

        3. LOL

          All that puffed up sophistry just to land at the predictably stupid and authoritarian take that speech itself is the problem.

          Going full jeff there, jeff.

        4. “Really, it seems the problem is social media itself. It gives an undeserved elevated platform to every crank with a “theory””

          If this is your take, then you are part of the problem.

          We have had cranks with theories for decades. Remember the Birthers? The Truthers? Remember Dan Rather and his “Fake but Accurate” Bush Papers? All cranks with theories.

          The problem is not the free flow of information. The problem is that people think they have a monopoly on reason- that when someone comes up with a contrary opinion, it must be because “bad information” confused their poor brains.

          1. The problem is that too many people think reality is socially-constructed rather than objective.

            Take the vaccines. Do the vaccines work, or don’t they? There are currently two “realities” on this subject. But there IS an objective answer to the question. The people most likely to be able to provide that answer, the experts, are placed side-by-side with the cranks who invent bullshit reasons for their “reality”. And by the way this is just as true for the people who think the vaccines are microchip-containing poison, as it does for the people who think the vaccines are immaculately perfect in every way.

            Dan Rather was rightly fired for his Bush papers lies. Today, the liars are rewarded with likes and retweets, and compensated based on popularity not accuracy.

            1. The people most likely to be able to provide that answer, the experts …

              “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China”

              https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152?lang=en

              LOL

              1. There we go, you prove my point. Because a *preliminary* conclusion based on necessarily incomplete data (and perhaps unreliable data) presented by experts, turned out to be wrong, therefore, all experts are wrong about everything and go believe whatever your Uncle Fester tells you about how the world works. That is black/white thinking and confirmation bias in action.

                1. It means the experts are not the best positioned to provide the answers, on account of how frequently they are wrong. If you want to glorify and worship experts, by all means, stroke the top man’s top cock until your hands are blistered.

                  Just don’t expect me to shake your hand afterward.

                  1. And, so that we are clear, the WHO was not accidentally wrong on human-to-human transmission based on incomplete data … they actively lied about it.

                    1. Likewise with Lord Fauci

                    2. That’s why Lying Jeffy loves them so much!

                  2. It means the experts are not the best positioned to provide the answers, on account of how frequently they are wrong.

                    Once again this is a lack of critical thinking, and black/white thinking.

                    “Because experts are not 100% right, therefore they are 100% wrong.”

                    The experts drew incorrect conclusions based on preliminary information. That is correct. As new information became evident, they changed their conclusion and now no one disagrees that the virus may be transmitted among humans. That is how scientific progress works. You are using the tentative nature of science itself to make demagogic attacks against the very experts who are generating the knowledge to combat the pandemic. You are the one with an axe to grind against experts.

                    1. They haven’t even been 10% right. Look at all their projections. Yet you advocate for them to be able to shut down opposing viewpoints, even of other scientists.

                    2. “Because experts are not 100% right, therefore they are 100% wrong.”

                      “Because the experts are very frequently wrong and, in addition, actively lie about the facts and conceal the truth for political reasons, they do not deserve an elevated status as arbiters of what truth, nor are their opinions and conclusions entitled to any favorable presumptions.”

                      Fauci literally admitted on live television that he deliberately lied to the nation about the efficacy of masks because it suited the government’s agenda at a particular moment in time to tell the lie.

                      These are the experts whose opinions you are insisting we elevate to the status of being unquestionable.

                      LOL

                      Okay, retard.

                    3. The degree to which experts are wrong are either (1) grossly exaggerated by motivated opponents who have an agenda, and/or (2) demagoguing the scientific process itself to make it seem that the natural evolution of scientific inquiry, in which some hypotheses are inevitably discovered to be wrong, represents some fraudulent or bad-faith attempt to deceive people.

                      Other than that, sure, spot on!

                    4. You really are hopeless jeff.

                  3. I’m curious as to how Jeff decides who the experts is. In my experience he declares the experts to be who agrees with his initial conception of a topic.

                    1. In fairness, that seems to be the same standard Twitter and the Facebook are using.

                    2. He decides based on what the government says at any given time because he is an uncritical turd simping for a totalitarian regime he believes will reward him when the time is right. And, they will reward him — with a bullet to the back of the head.

            2. I believe in an objective reality. But it’s really hard to nail down.

            3. The people most likely to be able to provide that answer, the experts

              You mean like the Oxford University virologists that Twitter blocked for spreading miSinfORmation?
              Or the inventor of the mRNA vaccine process that YouTube blocked for spreading miSinfORmation?
              Or the medical journal they both blocked for saying it looked like Covid was made in a lab?

              1. Or doctors and scientists discussing potential treatments.

                1. They were blocking people who were talking about Ivermectin, which is a totally legitimate therapy FFS, because it didn’t fit the Democratic Party narrative.

                  An investigation into White House collusion needs to happen ASAP. This censorship is killing people.

            4. “The problem is that too many people think reality is socially-constructed rather than objective.”

              You really think JesseAZ thinks reality is a social construct? Or does he think it is objective, but his read of the facts is more accurate?

              “Take the vaccines. Do the vaccines work, or don’t they? There are currently two “realities” on this subject. But there IS an objective answer to the question. The people most likely to be able to provide that answer, the experts, are placed side-by-side with the cranks who invent bullshit reasons for their “reality”.”

              My mind is boggled by how…childish this view is. Experts in January said that Masks don’t work. THOSE SAME EXPERTS in April said that Masks are so important to stopping the spread that they needed to be spread. Did reality just change over night? Experts told us that mass gatherings were a direct threat to our public health. Those same experts told us that mass gatherings for racial justice were vital for public health. Experts told us this year that kids are missing out on social development skills because of masking. And yesterday an EXPERT told us that actually masks are good for kids. And that wasn’t on Social Media, but in the New York Times.

              Besides all that, what do you do when experts disagree? Many, Many experts questioned the Ferguson models that were used to shut down the world. They were ignored or silenced of course. And when people used the same model to predict what would happen in Sweden, the model was catastrophically wrong. But people STILL let these experts tell them what is “reality”.

              Why is your “Expert” better than my “Expert”? Why should Sullum, a guy with a degree in Psychology and Economics, be believed when he says Rand Paul- a trained medical doctor- is overstating certain scientific studies? Did you find an expert who backs up Sullum? Well what if I find an expert who backs up Paul? Am I right now? Or are you going to say, “Nah, Overt, your expert isn’t as good as mine”?

              1. How did I get brought in to this example?

                Jeff is the one who constantly argues for subjective over objective realities. Ask him about CRT as an example. In this very thread see how he denies science because the experts said something different. If I point out 100 years of studies on masks showing no statistical deviation regarding their effectiveness against respiratory viruses, Jeff dismisses them on the idea that new studies by experts override old studies even when the new studies are subjectively created models and not based on primary data.

                Jeff is the last person that should discuss objective reality on this comment board.

                1. “How did I get brought in to this example?”

                  It was just to make a point. I think you disagree with Chemjeff (and often me) because you think your handle on the facts is better than his, not because you think reality is some “social construct”. Which you specifically endorsed by pointing out the facts (from experts) that lead you to this conclusion.

                  I brought you up by name because you disagree with him, not because I am endorsing (or disparaging) your viewpoints.

                  1. I actually don’t disagree woth you a lot, we just have different 4th order ideas on argumentation. I think we largely in line. It is just the particulars to action.

              2. You really think JesseAZ thinks reality is a social construct? Or does he think it is objective, but his read of the facts is more accurate?

                I think that he THINKS his conception of reality is objective, but he is interpreting his reality through a bias and a narrative and a curated set of information sources which heavily shapes his viewpoint. HIS construction of reality is socially constructed whether he wants to admit it or not, based on the choices that he has made in how he chooses to construct that reality.

                Experts in January said that Masks don’t work. THOSE SAME EXPERTS in April said that Masks are so important to stopping the spread that they needed to be spread. Did reality just change over night? Experts told us that mass gatherings were a direct threat to our public health. Those same experts told us that mass gatherings for racial justice were vital for public health. Experts told us this year that kids are missing out on social development skills because of masking. And yesterday an EXPERT told us that actually masks are good for kids. And that wasn’t on Social Media, but in the New York Times.

                Several things:

                1. It is often very difficult to try to discern what objective reality is. Individuals will sometimes make good-faith efforts to do so and wind up being wrong. That they ended up being wrong doesn’t necessarily mean that they were frauds or acted in bad faith and it shouldn’t be a priori assumed that they were. If your definition of expert is “someone who is never wrong” then no one is an expert. Instead, an expert is someone who has highly specialized study or training in a particular field and makes reasonable, good faith efforts to try to discover new knowledge and uncover objective reality to the best of his/her abilities. Sometimes being wrong is part of the process.

                2. When the data are unclear, experts can disagree on how to interpret that data. That is fine too. That experts can disagree in ambiguous cases doesn’t mean that experts are wrong in cases when the data are crystal clear.

                I guess the bottom line is, for individuals who have specialized study and training in a specific field, should their judgment in matters relating to that field bear more weight than the judgments of others? If your answer is “no”, then we just have to agree to disagree. But if your answer is “yes”, then the only difference here is how much weight that the judgment of experts should be given. Frankly I’m going to trust the judgment of experts in their fields of expertise more than the judgment of some rando with a YouTube channel.

                1. Lol. You are literally the one who pushes post modernism and subjective reality. Look at this thread. You are claiming to trust the experts because they are experts even when they are wrong. Most people who are objective utilize primary data, not interpretations of said data.

                  Justice Wikipedia now favors secondary sources over primary sources which lows boas to pervade the site.

                  You aren’t objective on any manner. You’re a sophist and post modernist.

            5. Just wow… You literally argue for subjectivism over objectivism when you discuss CRT, 2+2=5, and about 90% of the other topics you discuss. You are so full of it.

            6. “The problem is that too many people think reality is socially-constructed rather than objective.”

              Funny how that happens after decades of teaching people that there is no objective truth, and everything depends on your subjective views.

          2. To put a finer point on it: we are not by nature critical thinkers. We do not seek out information to challenge our conclusions, but rather seek out evidence to support our conclusions. This is literally the pedagogy of our coursework through primary, secondary, and up until you get into some Masters Programs- here is a conclusion, now go find evidence.

            The internet feeds this bias by providing you all the “facts” you need to support your case. Social Media merely makes this easier because it allows you to network with the people who support your case, and it also uses algorithms to sift through the thousands of potential arguments, and surface the ones with the best crafted emotional hooks- like a petrie dish for memes.

            But the problem isn’t social media or the internet- both are just tools. The problem is partially that the population doesn’t have good critical thinking tools, but the biggest problem is that an over-expansive and intrusive government has made the stakes of our disagreements so fucking high. If conspiracy theorists elected some dog catcher, no one would care. But instead these people are electing the leaders of trillion-dollar budgets that interfere with pretty much every aspect of our lives.

            1. The problem is even deeper than that. The problem is that Religions and States have been the only sources of mass education and neither Religions not States want critical thinking subjects.

              Also, the stakes are high regardless of the level of government power. A free society of un-critical thinking morons would be just as insufferable and would eventually collapse into dictatorship with the first proponent of Omniscience that came along.

              Thomas Jefferson so rightly observed: Ignornant and free in a state of civilization never was and can never be.

              1. “and neither Religions not States want critical thinking subjects”

                Even worse, the Universities don’t either anymore.

        5. The people collectivistjeff calls cranks are beating the shit out of the so called experts the last few years.

        6. “In the time before social media, the crank’s reach only went as far as the people around him/her. Now, the crank and the expert appear side by side on the same platform.”

          Hmm, tell me more about Russian collusion. That certainly did not appear in the “media” despite no factual basis.

          How about that the COVID virus could not have POSSIBLY come from a lab?

          How about the IMPOSSIBILITY of anything resembling a vaccine in less than a year?

          I mean, if you’re going to champion the gatekeepers, maybe you should look at what THOSE morons championed.

        7. undeserved elevated platform

          Weren’t you pretending to be libertarian?

      2. I for one am relieved. I believe everything I read on the internet.

    4. Need to let them know that they are coming for the porn next.

      1. Aren’t we all here for the porn? 🙂

        1. It is the most important freedom after all.

  25. https://twitter.com/NoahPollak/status/1428583819339124737

    There’s an extremely simple explanation for why Biden won’t allow US forces to do this. He cut a deal with the Taliban. He hung Americans out to dry so he could cut a deal with terrorists.
    Quote Tweet
    Alex Tiffin
    @RespectIsVital
    · Aug 18
    Over the past 48 hours, the elite tactical unit of the French Police, RAID, have made multiple trips into Kabul to rescue people sheltering in the French Embassy.

    So far, they have taken 216 French and Foreign nationals to the secure area of Kabul Airpor

    1. It’s clear that we can’t do anything to the Taliban while we’re paying them to not attack the airport.

    2. Brits doing the same. US soldiers tear gassing crouds trying to get into the airport.

  26. https://twitter.com/NRO/status/1428673948833751047

    U.K. Military Reportedly Left Out of Discussions of U.S. Afghanistan Withdrawal

    1. I’m waiting for all the crying about how we’ve abandoned our allies and the Europeans are laughing at us.

      1. Remember when we had a President who delivered peace treaties and not, well, total fucking fiascoes?

      2. When was the last time the UK held an American president in contempt.
        Hey, but no more mean tweets.

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/08/18/parliament-holds-joe-biden-contempt-afghanistan/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

        1. Probably George Washington.

        2. Too bad it’s behind a paywall.

  27. We’ve seen the same playbook used against porn sites as was previously used against classified-ad sites, with conservative progressive groups—like the old Morality in Media, now rebranded as the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE), and Exodus Cry—targeting the banks, credit card companies, and payment processors that enable these sites.

    In context of the cultural and political history of America these orgs are and were progressive and fall right at the center-top of your Nolan chart.

    1. I don’t see where you get that. Morality in Media is Brett Bozell’s outfit and identifies as Religious Right/Social Conservative.

      What is really happening is the Horseshoe Effect. Both Left and Right have gone so far out on supporting censorship that they have met each other.

  28. If you get your news from the SF Chronicle, you would now know *something* is going on in Afghanistan, and they found a Vietnam vet who says it’s not really like Saigon, and is willing to toss in some bullshit support for droolin’ Joe:

    “Should we compare Afghanistan to Vietnam? Here’s why one vet in Congress says no”
    […]
    “I don’t know that I make any comparison,” Thompson said. “I don’t know how we were going to get out of Afghanistan in any way, shape, or form. If we’d have left five years ago, if we were to leave five years from now it would be the same. … I’m glad we’re leaving, and I know it was a tough decision on the part of the president, but I think it was the correct decision.”…”
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/AVietnam-vet-in-Congress-reflects-on-Kabul-Saigon-16396496.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result

    Plus, they got some colorful photos of a public gathering urging us all to “pray for Afghans”.
    But the Chron is still not willing to mention droolin’ Joe’s colossal fuck up; nope, no way, really not news!

  29. https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1428710692954247173

    It is becoming very, very difficult for me to believe that Biden’s team thinks he is lucid.
    Quote Tweet
    Josh Jordan
    @NumbersMuncher
    · 1h
    After Biden’s first statement he flew right back to his vacation and after today’s statement he’s going right back to… his vacation.

    I’d say those are some bad optics but I’m starting to think he just doesn’t care.

    1. https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/1428689000445976580

      At 1:00 pm Biden will deliver remarks about Afghanistan

      At 2:00 pm he leaves the White House to resume his vacation in Delaware

    2. At least there is a Harris sighting. She’s headed to Asia.

    3. It’s not that he doesn’t care; he doesn’t even know.

      1. I’m pretty sure that the two running the show for the junta right now are Ron Klain and Susan Rice. These are the two who should be held accountable.

        Not poor old Joe and Easy-K.

    4. “I’d say those are some bad optics but I’m starting to think he just doesn’t care.”

      It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than it is to open it and remove all doubt.

      Biden’s handlers know this looks awful, but they’re counting on a compliant media to do everything they can to keep this turd polished. And he’ll look even worse if he goes on TV for an episode of ‘Deep Thoughts With Joke Biden”.

  30. https://twitter.com/BristolBlues32/status/1428688818962583559

    A 29 year old man in Australia has been sentenced to a maximum of 8 MONTHS in Prison for attempting to organise an anti-lockdown demonstration.

    1. https://twitter.com/nswpolice/status/1427876746473336841

      Warning issued to would-be protesters: Stay at home or face legal action.

      Senior police have issued a strong warning to anyone planning to attend an unauthorised protest planned for this weekend that they will face the full force of the law.

      1. https://twitter.com/WinterAsh12/status/1427627023212576769

        Meanwhile in Australia police pepper spray children for not wearing masks

      2. Gee, it sure is too bad Australians let themselves be disarmed because some mentally ill tard shot a few people.

    2. Hate to say it, but since they’ve been disarmed, the government — as expected — has zero fear of them. So, they will be oppressed more and more.

    3. After he gets out of jail he will be released into house arrest, just like the rest of the people there.

  31. turd, white Mike hardest hit:

    “No explosive found in DC bomb threat suspect’s vehicle: Police”
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/no-bomb-found-at-library-of-congress

    They did find some fire extinguishers and nylon ty-raps, so it is an “insurrection”.

    1. LOL

    2. They did find some fire extinguishers and nylon ty-raps, so it is an “insurrection”.
      So, more dangerous than was originally thought?

    3. Poor Buttplug, and he was pushing the old “Rethuglikkkans are terrorists” narrative so hard too.

      He must be feeling like White Mike did, when they took away his fire extinguishers narrative.

      1. You really think turd is capable of embarrassment?

        1. I imagined he was sick with disappointment and feeling white hot rage. I didn’t mention embarrassment.

          1. And still over a week until the EBT card gets recharged so it is bad news all around for him.

    4. DC bomb threat/obvious fed

  32. Australian cops taking a child away from the father, who they beat, to put her in Covid quarantine.

    https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1428324030675918849
    Evil knows no bounds when it comes to police officers and soldiers empowered by lunatic politicians

    1. “It’s for your/their own good” is the mantra of despots everywhere. The Australian state governments are now blatantly despotic.

      1. And it would be the appropriate time to notify China that the US would not intervene should they decide to annex Oz.

  33. Elizabeth Nolan Brown @ENBrown
    and if you try to accept alternate payment methods — cryptocurrency, personal checks — the feds will later use this to accuse you of money laundering https://twitter.com/DovedSimon/status/1428451892540157965

    Evan Greer @evan_greer
    Yep. And this is why “blockchain solves this,” isn’t true unless we also fight back against repressive government attacks

    ENB and pals are finally starting to catch on to what’s been happening and why it’s a bad thing.

    Most people won’t catch on until it’s their own ox being gored.

    1. ENB and pals are finally starting to catch on to what’s been happening and why it’s a bad thing.

      Most people won’t catch on until it’s their own ox being gored.

      Libertarians are supposed to know better.

      Then again, ENB isn’t really a libertarian, so that’s a bad example…

  34. Biden Brings Long Foreign Policy Experience to Obama’s Presidential Bid
    A veteran of the Senate, Biden will try to help Obama tie McCain to Bush’s troubled overseas legacy.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/campaign-2008/articles/2008/08/25/biden-brings-long-foreign-policy-experience-to-obamas-presidential-bid?context=amp

    In the realm of foreign policy, Joseph Biden brings to Barack Obama’s presidential bid something it lacks at the top—long experience with a range of countries, problems, and foreign leaders.

    During his short-lived presidential nomination run—and before he was tapped this weekend to be Obama’s vice presidential running mate—the Delaware senator argued that the failures in Bush administration foreign policy and troubling trends overseas mean that foreign policy should be front-and-center in this year’s race for the White House.

    Obama’s selection of Biden signals that the Democrats will indeed try to turn disquiet over falling U.S. standing in the world, Washington’s troubles in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other anxiety-producing events like Russia’s invasion of Georgia to their political advantage.

    Biden, a loquacious commentator on world affairs, may also serve as a useful source of foreign policy critiques of his Senate colleague and friend, Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

    …Biden has, in the past, compared Pakistan to prerevolutionary Iran and called for a tripling of aid—while standing more aloof from the previous, military-dominated government of just-resigned President Pervez Musharraf, a Bush administration ally. Next door in Afghanistan, he has also pushed for intensifying economic aid and beefing up the NATO counterinsurgency effort against Islamic militants in the Taliban.

  35. No one is entitled to a platform on anyone’s private property.
    Trump is not entitled to a platform on Twitter.
    Sex workers are not entitled to a platform on OnlyFans.
    Alex Jones is not entitled to a platform on Youtube.
    Parler is not entitled to a platform on Amazon.
    Naomi Wolf is not entitled to a platform on Twitter.

    Wait, you didn’t know that Naomi Wolf was banned? Yup.
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jun/05/naomi-wolf-banned-twitter-spreading-vaccine-myths

    This isn’t that hard, really.

    1. Even at Reason, the huge government FUBAR in Afghanistan isn’t news anymore?
      Any word on those thousands of US citizens?

      1. Not meant as a reply to jeffs lame bullshit.

      2. Dude, as Biden said, that was like 4, 5 days ago, man. It’s time to move on.

        1. Biden also said Beau was just in Afghanistan after a tour in Narnia and everything is fine. There is no threat of the Klingons taking over.

    2. Yet you refuse to answer the question as to in who’s interest it is to ban Naomi Wolf from taking about Covid.

      Does it help twitter’s shareholders to silence an incredibly famous author, or the US government?

      You know what the answer is, but you’re a liar, and you’re evil, and you’re a paid shill and you have no fucking business even pretending to be libertarian.

    3. Oh, look at all the gray boxes.

      1. Oh, look at all the whiny posts.
        Fuck off and die, tired piece of shit.

      2. You forgot to turn your other sock back on. You’re still posting as chemjeff.

        1. LOL

  36. https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1428702958703632390

    “Do your part and have everything you’ve ever worked for destroyed while I keep getting paid”
    Quote Tweet
    matt taylor
    @matt12249
    · 1h
    Replying to @Oilfield_Rando
    “Do your part”. They sat on the couch for 18 months while us normies went to work every day. They’re perfectly content to have others incurring risk to get groceries to their door, all the while preaching their moral superiority.

  37. 2 questions

    Where is Fist?

    People pay for porn?

    1. Fist is busy trying to figure out how he’ll make ends meet in the wake of the OnlyFans news.

      1. Poor guy, it’s probably like the death of a child for him… and say, where’s Crusty lately?

        1. Crusty’s been away for years, as has Agile Cyborg. Damn, I miss them both. The Hit & Run Comments suck without them.

          1. And SugarFree. We lost some fine commenters in 2016/2017.

            1. Crusty, at least whoever was posting as crusty since 2018 when I first started visiting, was boring as hell

    2. Very wise and profound questions. I do miss his pithy, short-and-sweet jabs on ja bing and other topics.

    3. And this has been another Day without Fist of Etiquette.

      Scary, isn’t it?

      1. Terrifying TBQH.

  38. This is why populism is such a terrible idea.

    https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-travel-coronavirus-pandemic-27bf20514cd3da917c54bf71a41f2e8e

    Close to 6 in 10 Americans say they favor requiring people to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to travel on an airplane or attend crowded public events. Only about a quarter of Americans oppose such measures.

    Roughly 6 in 10 also support vaccine mandates for hospital or other health care workers, along with government employees, members of the military and workers who interact with the public, such as in restaurants and stores. Support is slightly lower for requiring vaccinations to go out to a bar or restaurant, though more are in favor than opposed, 51% to 28%.

    Populism would dictate that the will of the mob should be obeyed. After all, they are the ones “in charge”, right?

    Sometimes the mob is wrong. Sometimes the public should not get their way. The people flirting with populism and riling up the mob with demagoguery are only going to get burned when the mob finally turns on them.

    1. Fist, we’ll claim X is bad.
      Then we will define X such as to make it clear that what we call X can’t be other than bad.
      And then we’ll toss on some banalities.
      Pretty sure jeff is totally unfamiliar with the concept of ‘circular reasoning.’.

    2. “Populism = top down centralized planning”
      -chemjeff

      1. What I cited was literally a poll of the populace. Six in 10 want a vaccination mandate for traveling on airplanes or going to crowded events. You can’t claim the mantle of populism on this issue.

        1. No one doubts you cited something which you later claimed to be relevant to your claim.
          Are you taking lessons from turd?

        2. “Tell us you do not understand the meaning of the word ‘populism’ without actually telling us you do not understanding the meaning of the word ‘populism’ ….”

          1. Mob rule is mob rule.

            1. And he sticks the landing!

              LOL

            2. What’s wrong with mob rule? Governments have an infinitely worse track record.

              1. “Mob rule is just another name for the things we all do together!”

                1. “The real mob rule was the friends we made along the way.”

    3. Populism isn’t the same as mob rule though. Usually when populism is used, it is contrasting with Elitism. Generally populists’ main platform is around returning power to the people that is being held by the Elites. That the populace may want to implement bad policies is not really much different than the fact that the Elites want to implement bad policies.

      I know that as someone who seems often enamored with the Elites and Experts, you might think that it is just giving the populace whatever they want- but it is really about giving the population a say.

      For example, today, it isn’t the populace putting these controls in place. It is Elites. Absolutely, Passports are being implemented by executives and unelected bureaucrats. The fact that- in this moment, according to some specific survey- the populace may be in agreement IS COMPLETELY BESIDE THE POINT. It is Elites who are in control, and Elites implementing these changes. They don’t give a fuck what the populace wants.

      1. “I know that as someone who seems often enamored with the Elites and Experts…”

        You give others unsolicited advice on how they should interact in the commentariat, for example critiquing how I interact with Ken, and then you engage in childish conversational tactics like accusing chemjeff of being enamored with elites. Physician heal thyself.

        1. “for example critiquing how I interact with Ken”

          But you don’t interact with Ken. You harrass and troll him in a pretty horrible manner, so get off your phony high horse.

    4. I smell a straw man. Populism does not = mob rule.

      1. Then what is your definition of populism.

        1. Why don’t you look it up in a dictionary instead of inventing definitions to fit your narrative?

          populism [ pop-yuh-liz-uhm ] noun

          a) any of various, often antiestablishment or anti-intellectual political movements or philosophies that offer unorthodox solutions or policies and appeal to the common person rather than according with traditional party or partisan ideologies.

          b) grass-roots democracy; working-class activism; egalitarianism.

          c) representation or extolling of the common person, the working class, the underdog, etc.: populism in the arts.

        2. Its only taught in graduate level college classes as theory

  39. NY Times:

    https://hotair.com/headlines/2021/08/18/actually-wearing-a-mask-can-help-your-child-learn-n409695

    These concerns are understandable but unwarranted. Although scientists don’t have much data yet on how wearing masks during a pandemic affects children’s development, there is plenty of reason to believe that it won’t cause any harm. Children in cultures where caregivers and educators wear head-coverings that obscure their mouths and noses develop skills just as children in other cultures do. Even congenitally blind children — who cannot see faces at all — still learn to speak, read and get along with other people.

    Indeed, there is good reason to believe that wearing a mask at school could actually improve certain social and cognitive skills, helping to strengthen abilities like self-control and attention. This is not to say that masks are preferable to no masks, all things being equal. Masks are inconvenient, uncomfortable and bothersome. But as long as they are needed, we should take advantage of the fact that they offer distinctive opportunities for learning and growth.

    Take language learning. It’s true that masks cover our mouths and that seeing mouth shape and movement contributes to language development in infants. But learning how to communicate verbally involves a lot more than mouths — a reality that masks accentuate.

    1. But as long as they are needed

    2. there was a whole article about this yesterday.

    3. “Children in cultures where caregivers and educators wear head-coverings that obscure their mouths and noses develop skills just as children in other cultures do.”

      So now we’re calling beheading a “skill.”

  40. https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1428530649103695873

    Six. Hundred. Thousand. Weapons.
    Quote Tweet
    Jeffery A Dove Jr.
    @JefferyADoveJr
    · 20h
    The Biden Administration lost this much equipment to an adversary. All of them need to resign immediately. This is not acceptable on any level.

  41. https://twitter.com/ExogenyKarl/status/1428526210116632578

    Another wonderful accomplishment by POTUS!

    the eviction moratorium is a deliberate transfer of real estate to woke capital, who will now impose moral purity tests on tenants
    Quote Tweet
    Newsweek
    @Newsweek
    · 14h
    “A lot of landlords are disgusted. They are selling at losses. They are getting out, period,” Michael Reid said of the dozens of investors he talks with.

    1. woke capital, who will now impose moral purity tests on tenants

      WTF are you even talking about?

      1. Nike, Unilever, Proctor & Gamble, Yum! Brands, The Coca-Cola Company, Boeing, etc…

      2. Holy cow, you REALLY are oblivious.

        1. It’s impossible to get somebody to understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it.

        2. Which landlord is imposing a “moral purity test” on tenants?

          1. I’d respond but, as Ken has eloquently pointed out, you’re incapable of good faith. So I will just mock you.

            1. So none. Got it.

              1. No.
                But really why should these people bother to engage in good faith with a shitposting fifty-center like you anymore?

                I get a kick out of mocking paid shills like you, I consider it a mitzvah; but why should damikesc waste his time engaging with someone like you who’s paid to lie?

              2. Just look right above. Your bullshit misunderstanding of Popism was cleared up decisively, but you wont go back and acknowledge that, and pretend it never happened.
                Just like your bullshit gasligjting assertions about CRT were decisively refuted a couple of hundred times, with no acknowledgement and no abatement or correction of your future bullshit gaslighting

  42. We’re not buying this bullshit, right?

    You’d think the feds would be smart enough to put their agent in a van, so you couldn’t tell by looking at the empty bed that there was no bomb.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1428422893432606730
    JUST IN – Suspect who made a bomb threat near the U.S. Capitol got out of his vehicle and surrendered to law enforcement.

    1. I like how they watched Con Air and figured “hey, we’ll do the look of Cyrus the Virus and the accent Nick Cage uses… and it’s gonna be awesome!”

    2. Flowers By Irene.

    3. They should have known there was no bomb just because of the “bomb threat.” Has there actually ever been a bomb when preceded by a bomb threat? Kinda defeats the purpose, doesn’t it.

      1. They should’ve known there was no bomb because they didn’t bother putting one in

  43. https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1428033173376540676

    This is a teacher named Leah Kinyon at Lehi High School in Lehi, Utah.

    “Most of your parents are dumber than you”

    “You don’t have to do everything your parents say”

    “I hate Donald Trump”

    This happens all over America but most don’t have a kid brave enough to film it.

    1. Isn’t it terrible? A teacher expressing an opinion that makes some people upset. That should not be permitted in the classroom.

      1. Correct. Comments to children regarding personal political beliefs are not appropriate in a classroom.
        And most adults understand that.

        1. chemtard actually thinks that it’s acceptable for teachers to actively undermine the authority and trust that parents have with their children. That’s why he’s desperately gaslighting everyone in the thread that this is about free speech, as opposed to degrading the relationship between teachers and their community by actively denigrating her students’ family–people she has to see and communicate with to ensure they’re successful academically.

      2. A teacher expressing an opinion that makes some people upset.

        “Most of your parents are dumber than you”

        “You don’t have to do everything your parents say”

        These are not opinions. They are fallacies. Expressing fallacies in front of children is not teaching, it is malpractice.

        That should not be permitted in the classroom.

        Correct. But expressing that sentiment in a what is clearly a sarcastic tone means you intend the opposite. You poison the truth. Thank you for being exactly who we expect you to be.

        1. These are not opinions. They are fallacies.

          No, they are opinions. Good heavens. Did you watch the video? She’s not trying to prove her statements in some rigorous way.

          But that is a cute trick, take those opinions that you don’t like, relabel them as “fallacies”, and use that to justify taking action against the teacher.

          Because it would be too gauche to admit what you really want: teachers should only be permitted to teach approved opinions and thoughts. Which is the indoctrination you so badly want.

          1. chemtard radical deathfat thinks teachers should be allowed to undermine and degrade the trust relationship between parents and their children, because they’re “experts.”

            1. Exactly. And an appeal to authority by an educator is nothing but propaganda.

          2. We should instead pay for teachers that actively undermine us, what a great plan.

          3. When expressed by an agent of the state in a role of authority, they are sure as hell more than opinions.
            And it is quite appropriate for teachers in public schools to be prohibited from expressing certain opinions. Or do you think nothing is off limits? Teachers should be able to opine that black people are natural criminals, or that pedophilia is a good idea, for example?
            Teachers are not independent educators. They are hired to do a specific job, which is defined by the employer, which in this case is the state.

            1. it is quite appropriate for teachers in public schools to be prohibited from expressing certain opinions

              Public educators have an ethical obligation not to express opinions. When the setting is mandated, any opinion is propaganda. In a collegiate setting, caveat emptor.

          4. No, they are opinions. Good heavens. Did you watch the video? She’s not trying to prove her statements in some rigorous way.

            You are being deliberately obtuse. Both claims are categorically unprovable. Her rigor is completely irrelevant. Your derision of logical analysis as a ‘trick’ is indicative of an emotional response overriding your own critical thinking.

            admit what you really want: teachers should only be permitted to teach approved opinions and thoughts

            Seriously? You and I went a few rounds about this recently and I schooled you that time. Children’s brains are not developed enough for mature critical analysis. They often fail to discern properly between opinion and fact well into their teens. Add to that they are being psychologically conditioned through the incentives of grading and testing to defer to their teachers. Professional teachers have an obligation to keep their opinions to themselves and should only teach rigorously verified facts or theories.

            You can teach kids human biology without speculating on the origins of life. You can teach kids about the science of ecosystems without speculating on climate change. You can teach kids the history of the United States without speculating on the impact of race. You can teach kids how government functions without speculating on current politics. You can teach kids basic psychology without speculating on the intelligence of their parents.

            What you can’t do is present fallacy as truth. It is a particularly egregious abuse of the trust that children have in their teachers.

            1. Professional teachers have an obligation to keep their opinions to themselves and should only teach rigorously verified facts or theories.

              No. That is how you get robots, not thinkers.

              1. No, you get robots by telling them what to think and how to think. You get thinkers by giving them a good background in the basics and letting them think.

              2. No. That is how you get robots, not thinkers.

                You imagine that children forcibly educated the opinions of experts will become great thinkers. Feel free to use all the philosophical treaties, scientific breakthroughs and technological innovations contributed by the Soviets or Chinese to support your thesis.

                Would it be overkill to invoke Lysenko? Yeah, probably.

          5. The teacher literally threatened students who disagreed with her political views in her rant. And you are okay with that? You’re a bigger idiot than normal today.

            She didn’t just list opinions. She threatened retaliation for disagreeing with her opinions.

          6. So, “Jews and blacks are subhuman mud people” is perfectly fine opinion for teachers to share

      3. Great.
        I’m sure that you’ll apply that newly acquired broad-mindedness to teaching creationism or vaccine hesitancy too, right?
        …right?

      4. Actually, I’m all for a teacher openly trying to drive a wedge between me and my kids.

        Makes it easier to put my fist through their skull.

        1. As long as you communicate with your kids, it is actually a wonderful teaching tool. There is no better way to teach kids the scientific method or logical analysis than to show them that one of their teachers was wrong. Kids are irresistibly drawn to making others look stupid. Including their parents.

          1. Yeah, there’s a reason these left-wing teachers are going out of their way to hide what they’re doing in the classroom.

      5. “Isn’t it terrible? A teacher expressing an opinion that makes some people upset. That should not be permitted in the classroom.”

        Employees bashing their employers on the job seems like a bad idea, but what does jeff know?

        1. Employees bashing their employers on the job seems like a bad idea, but what does jeff know?

          jeffy sees the proletariat toiling away to generate the taxes that pay teachers and administrators and concludes that we are working for them.

      6. “A teacher expressing an opinion that makes some people upset. That should not be permitted in the classroom.”

        Jeff, this is why I have such a hard time taking you seriously. In this same damn thread, you argue that new media has allowed too many cranks to get their opinions viewed. And then you actively defend someone who has been put in charge of kids as an authority figure- expert of experts- telling kids to disobey their parents.

        An objective viewer would say that you are only interested in Experts owning the signal because you (wink wink) know who those experts are going to be- people supporting your own personal biases.

        1. In this same damn thread, you argue that new media has allowed too many cranks to get their opinions viewed. And then you actively defend someone who has been put in charge of kids as an authority figure- expert of experts- telling kids to disobey their parents.

          How are these in conflict? Parents are not some godlike authority figures after all.

          1. Good lord you’re an imbecile

            1. No, he just didn’t get enough attention from mommy and daddy.

              1. That comment has ‘Freudian slip’ written all over it in big red letters.

          2. Parents are not some godlike authority figures after all.

            Narrator: Suddenly, it occurred to jeffy that he may have open himself to some ridicule with that last comment.

            Chuck: “Our Father, Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name; Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done…”

    2. In the tweet right under the one you quoted, the author expresses his support for mandating cameras in classrooms.

      THESE PEOPLE are the ones who want indoctrination, not education, to be enforced by classroom surveillance.

      1. If you’re going to stick a camera anywhere, putting it on the adult alone with your kids is probably the most sensible.

      2. THESE PEOPLE are the ones who want indoctrination, not education, to be enforced by classroom surveillance.

        Liar. Children are particularly susceptible to fallacious logic, lacking the critical thinking skills and maturity to identify it. There is also an expectation that professional teachers will stick to academic skills and historical facts. THESE PEOPLE need to know what propaganda their children are being exposed to when teachers behave unprofessionally.

        Many of us have first hand experience with this exact phenomena. Do you?

        1. Oh, now it’s the “but for the children” defense. You know what would be really great for kids? That they learn strong critical thinking skills. They will never learn strong critical thinking skills if they are only told to memorize facts and learn skills. Those students are the ones who turn into robots. You get critical thinking skills by being exposed to ideas and concepts that make you uncomfortable, and searching for why they make you uncomfortable, and constructing reasons and arguments accordingly. I don’t want a bunch of students who are only good at math and can fix cars. I want a bunch of students who can think for themselves.

          And your personal anecdotes don’t mean shit.

          1. Collectivistjeff’s life doesn’t mean shit

          2. “Oh, now it’s the “but for the children” defense….”
            jeff is entirely too abysmally stupid to understand, but the reason he is nearly universally despised here has to do with his seeming inability to argue in good faith.
            Other dishonest assholes, turd, Tony, sarc, lord of shit, etc don’t mind, but most of them do not have the mental equipment to separate honest from dishonest argument, so it’s to be expected.

          3. “. They will never learn strong critical thinking skills if they are only told to memorize facts and learn skills.”

            This is a problem with curriculum. The curriculum that was designed by your so called experts. Your experts that are in a classroom telling kids to hate trump and disobey parents. The experts that don’t want parents to see what they are teaching.

            That children are not taught critical thinking skills is a FEATURE of the education complex, not a bug. They do this on purpose because critical thinking would expose philosophies like marxism to be complete logical dumpster fires.

            1. I have yet to meet any teacher anywhere who said “I just want kids to memorize facts and not to learn their deeper meaning.”

              1. It’s weird that you call political biases “deeper meaning”. This teacher is not asking for an advised pros and cons analysis of the president. She is stating her open bias and threatening students who disagree with her. You take this to be critical thinking? Again, you’re dumber than usual lately. You’re spiraling because Joe is. But you promise you aren’t on his team.

              2. I have yet to meet any teacher anywhere who said “I just want kids to memorize facts and not to learn their deeper meaning.”

                “Most of your parents are dumber than you”

                “You don’t have to do everything your parents say”

                “I hate Donald Trump”

                Are you high? You literally just watched a teacher skipping the facts and presenting her own deeper meaning as truth. That is in diametrical opposition to the teaching of critical thinking.

            2. That children are not taught critical thinking skills is a FEATURE of the education complex

              It the spirit of the thread, I have been trying to show jeffy the facts that lead to that conclusion over the course of the last few hours. He clings to his opinion like a security blanket. Maybe his mommy made it for him?

          4. Oh, now it’s the “but for the children” defense.

            The topic is students in classrooms. You would have to move the goalposts for it to be about anything else.

            You know what would be really great for kids? That they learn strong critical thinking skills.

            It is readily demonstrable that synthesis is much stronger when the subject comes to their own conclusion. Teaching children opinions trains them to defer to authority, to be shallow.

            your personal anecdotes don’t mean shit

            Dude, my kids are vastly more successful than I was at their age. What I did worked. Don’t take your failure to leave a legacy out on me.

      3. Nope, we’re just holding your side accountable, chemfat. Don’t whine like a bitch when your side’s own tactics are being used against you.

        1. Well you of course want indoctrination, since you have abandoned any semblance of principle long ago.

          1. Pretty sure that the teacher indoctrinating the kids was on your team.

          2. Yeah, nothing says “critical thinking” and not “indoctrination” like “your parents are dumber than you.”

            Don’t get ass-blasted just because a member of your team fucked up, and even KNEW what she did was wrong which is why she asked the students not to mention anything about it. Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences, that’s what your side likes to say, right?

            Seems you’re not really interested in principle, you just don’t want your side to be held accountable for their actions.

            1. Yeah, nothing says “critical thinking” and not “indoctrination” like “your parents are dumber than you.”

              If you ever find yourself defending a position that sounds like something KAR would say, you better check your fucking premises.

          3. “Well you of course want indoctrination, since you have abandoned any semblance of principle long ago.”

            You can’t be serious. How does a camera indoctrinate people, Chemjeff, as opposed to the person actually telling children to disobey their parents?

            1. I am talking about RRWP. He is a complete moral relativist now.

              1. Bitch, you’ve been simping for your lefty boos for years now even when they violate your precious “principles.” Don’t project your own shortcomings and poor family environment on me.

              2. Here, let me repeat what I said below about the reality of the world as it is, not how you want it to be:

                That fat bitch even knew what she said was going to get her in trouble, that’s why she begged the students not to snitch on her.

      4. Letting parents view what is being taught to their kids is the truly anti-libertarian action… said the authoritarian socialist.

    3. If it was anywhere but Utah, I’d think she would be Future School Board President, Leah Kinyon

      1. Honestly, I suspect it wasn’t the political shit that got her in trouble–it was her telling the students that their parents are stupid and that they shouldn’t listen to them. The last thing the school wants is a bunch of parents coming in to confront her over that directly. That fat bitch even knew what she said was going to get her in trouble, that’s why she begged the students not to snitch on her.

        The fact she was going off in ghetto vernacular like the white liberal bourgeoisie are doing these days is even dumber. These people don’t sound “authentic” when they do that, they sound like LARPing hayseeds.

        1. telling the students that their parents are stupid and that they shouldn’t listen to them

          I have never wondered how the Soviets got children to rat on their parents. Teachers hold an incredible amount of moral authority over their students. They are as vulnerable as lab mice to conditioning in a classroom setting. Most parents directly participate in reinforcement by blindly encouraging their kids to do well in school.

  44. https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1428332542906847232

    Remember when they spent millions to build a field hospital in Houston for all the coronavirus patients they’d get after the hospitals were overwhelmed and then it closed without seeing a single patient?

  45. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2021/08/19/joe-biden-calls-off-public-appearances-and-remarks-indefinitely-n1471203

    In what appears to be a continuation of his campaign bunker strategy, and following his widely panned interview with ABC News on the stunning fall of Afghanistan, President Biden’s schedule Thursday contained no planned public remarks or press briefings.

    The president took all public remarks, press briefings and press conferences off his schedule as he and his administration deal with the blowback from their botched troop withdrawal that saw Kabul fall into the hands of the Taliban.

  46. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1428671799185879041?t=NDep1emM9Lqc_wPMpc5q8A&s=19

    Antifa accounts in Portland are warning press to not film or photograph them at the planned riot on Sunday. The city is bracing for violence again & the police @ChiefCLovell has said police won’t intervene to protect people. [Pics]

    Antifa and far-left Portland organizations are countering this event: [pic]

    1. Antifa accounts in Portland are warning press to not film or photograph them

      I love how the ‘Democracy dies in darkness’ crowd sympathizes with Antifa. It makes it so easy to call them apologists for Marxism.

      1. As long as Antifa doesn’t take selfies, they aren’t committing an insurrection.

    2. “Antifa accounts in Portland are warning press to not film or photograph them”

      For being ‘antifascists’ they sure like to wallow in it.

      1. Forget who coined the phrase, but it’s apt:
        “There are 2 kinds of fascists: fascists, and antifascists”

        1. Someone misspelled neofascist and it stuck.

        2. Antefacists.

    3. “Antifa accounts in Portland are warning press to not film or photograph them at the planned riot on Sunday.”

      According to Chemjeff, they are just resisting indoctrination, I guess.

  47. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the President of the United States: ABC News full interview transcript

    STEPHANOPOULOS: I– I think a lot of– a lot of Americans, and a l– even a lot of veterans who served in Afghanistan agree with you on the big, strategic picture. They believe we had to get out. But I wonder how you respond to an Army Special Forces officer, Javier McKay (PH). He did seven tours. He was shot twice. He agrees with you. He says, “We have to cut our losses in Afghanistan.” But he adds, “I just wish we could’ve left with honor.”

    BIDEN: Look, that’s like askin’ my deceased son Beau, who spent six months in Kosovo and a year in Iraq as a Navy captain and then major– I mean, as an Army major. And, you know, I’m sure h– he had regrets comin’ out of Afganista– I mean, out of Iraq.

    1. So about on par with Trump word salad.

      1. So a lie from a TDS-addled asshole.

      2. “NO! Don’t look at Biden! Look over there! It’s Trump and he’s probably doing something bad!” – t. chemjeff

      3. There’s word salad, and there’s thinking your son switched services and was demoted 2 ranks in the process.

        1. That is a major gaffe.

          1. I think you can make that general statement.

            1. Biden would have preferred it be kept private.

              1. First class!

                1. There is a colonel of truth to that.

                  1. Lol. God damn chumby, how do you do it? The pun and the timing. Good stuff.

      4. Tell me more about how Trump supporters cannot see or admit faults in him. I love those stories.

      5. “So about on par with Trump word salad.”

        So given that you thought Trump was incompetent, you are endorsing the same for Biden?

        1. Neither one is a particularly gifted leader or orator.

          1. Yet only one seems to generate your wrath.

  48. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/the_afghanistan_debacle_is_exactly_what_the_left_wanted.html

    The pattern is clear for those who wish to see. Simply put, the left thinks America is not only evil, but irredeemably so. Hence, any policy, be it foreign or domestic, that weakens our nation-state should be pursued, the goal being that the nation-state will eventually corrode to the point of collapse. They don’t care that the hollowed-out dystopia will be long past its desirability for subjugation, so long as they get to be in charge. As Lord Varys said of Littlefinger, “He would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes”.

    What started with Woodrow Wilson finally came into full force and in open view under Obama. Every time he could, Obama favored strict Islamist regimes over Western-friendly governments. Whenever overseas pro-democracy demonstrators flew American flags, Obama reflexively sided with their oppressors. He removed sanctions from Cuba and Iran and asked for nothing in return. The JCPOA, the Paris Accords, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership were specifically designed to weaken American power behind the flimsy guise of noble causes.

    …What happened in Kabul was deliberate. In fact, I would argue it went far better than most leftists dreamed it would. Even they underestimated Joe’s uncanny ability to make the absolute worst decision in practically every situation. Our kids’ grandkids will be fighting the wars that result from this and will likely do it alone. Far from being a tragedy, our abandonment of Afghanistan was one of the left’s biggest foreign policy successes.

    1. We are witnessing the end of the empire. What the progressives don’t seem to grasp is that the currency will collapse with it.

      1. Feature, not a bug.

        The total collapse of the economy opens all kinds of doors for radical shifts in economic policy. It’s hard to get a wealthy nation to take a hard turn to the left, usually you have to get to “crushing poverty and widespread disorder” before that kind of thing happens.

        Omelette, broken eggs, etc.

  49. OnlyFans is screwing over the very users who helped make it successful

    I see what you did there. 😉

  50. https://twitter.com/SlayerWolf11/status/1428354077881094144

    2 women caught on camera stealing CA Gov. Recall Election ballots out of apartment mailboxes using a USPS master key to open the entire mail box at once. This was in Valley Village earlier this week. Another man was caught with hundreds of ballots in Torrance as well.

    1. THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS VOTER FRAUD TRUMPTARD!!1!!!11!11

    2. This will be the cleanest recall election ever.

    3. What’s the big deal? It’s not like they took selfies while resting their feet on Nancy Pelosi’s desk.

      Now that was a real threat to democracy.

      1. When it comes down to literally stealing votes, or the eighth most destructive protest at the Capitol that year, you know what the establishment views as the bigger threat.

  51. When I posted this in the thread last night, I knew this would be today’s top story.

    A sex worker gets demonetized, NOW silicon valley has a problem…

    Suck it…

    1. Well she’s not gonna do it if she’s not monetized.

    2. Not that she can’t suck it virtually, she might need to literally. Good news for johns everywhere.

  52. It’s not censorship if it was at the behest of payment processors, banking, and politicians sending strongly worded emails.

  53. According to this, the US managed to save one Afghan who worked for the US military:

    “Operation Promise Kept: Dramatic Rescue of Afghan Officer who Fought with US Forces”
    https://www.newsmakerslive.org/operation-promise-kept-dramatic-rescue-of-afghan-officer-who-fought-with-us-forces/

    One down, only several thousand more to go! Success!

    1. Biden can just extend the deadline again and all will be fine.

    2. Apparently, the British and French are doing convoys out of Kabul to get their people while the Americans sit around the airport with their thumb up their ass and talking shit.

      Sending in the 82d Airborne for this was a huge mistake. If wars were won through unwarranted self-fellatio, that unit would be more successful than Alexander the Great. Most of their officers, and especially their commanders, are ladder-climbing fuckups who shouldn’t be put in charge of a lemonade stand.

      1. Since nearly none of the US media is acting like there’s anything newsworthy coming out of Afghanistan, it’s hard telling WHAT the US is doing. If you search for current stuff, it seems only FOX is covering anything out of there.
        Not suggesting any active conspiracy, but it sure looks like most of the US media is having a hard time reporting, since it’s embarrassing pointing out that the guy they so fervently supported is a total and complete fuck-up.

        1. The US media is mostly a cheerleader squad for nappy headed Joe. Other outlets have reporters in Kabul that are reporting.

          1. Yeah, that’s the reason I mentioned “US media”. Hell, even The Guardian is doing a better job.

            1. Germany is reporting that an associate of one of their reporters was shot, there is some bounty by the Taliban and the US is not coordinating with them on their people being allowed access to the airport to be evacuated. And there are allies in places other than just Kabul. This is a big mess.

              1. And the “news media” is reporting nothing at all. As if there is simply nothing news-worthy happening in Afghanistan!
                Civil war populations were better informed than we are.

        2. Yeah, it’s not a shock that they went into near total “SHUT IT DOWN” mode after the initial shock of the event, and the Biden administration subsequently acting like nothing untoward is happening.

  54. The Texas Education Agency said that it will halt enforcement—for now, at least—of Gov. Greg Abbott’s order that schools can’t impose mask mandates.

    I am endlessly perplexed by the way Reason is supporting mask mandates from petty bureaucrats.

    Abbot is PREVENTING government overreach. He is saying that the state does NOT have the power these bureaucrats are trying to impose upon the citizenry.

    And reason is backing the overreach!

    Man, when you guys take the mask off, you REALLY take the mask off.

    1. “For what doth it profit a libertarian magazine to gain Charles Koch’s money, and yet lose its own soul”

      1. “…and yet lose its own soul”

        It’s not like they were using it.

    2. if your only expectation is an open forum, Reason cannot disappoint you.

      1. Thanks, buddy. It never actually occurred to me to look at it that way.

        I get why the Hinhs and the jeffys come here. They actually think they are libertarians. But I have struggled for years to understand why the trolls come here out of all the places on the internet to generate outrage. It’s simply because they can.

        Why does sarcumsac gaslight? Because he can.
        Why does SQRLFKR One shit his pants? Because he can.
        Why does KAR express bigoted rage? Because he can.
        Why does the jar full of the gall bladders of failed dictators known as Kirkland exist at all? Because it can.

        It’s very liberating.

    3. Didn’t you know that freedom is being forced by the “right people”?

  55. Again, the Florida governor passing a law making it illegal to doxx Anne frank is an assault on free speech

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    1. Practically speaking I think they are too late to save themselves. OnlyFans is something of a punchline with the younger generation. So much so that my kids and I had to explain it to the wife one night over dinner.

      1. When I first heard the name, I assumed it was a site to chat about sports celebrities.

        I can see that conflation leading to some very amusing interactions if someone were to walk in on a conversation about an OnlyFans page already in progress.

  57. The link at “The myth of a once-competent United States government.” is just a little bit suspect. As much as I believe no government, any where, any time, has ever been competent at anything, including its core mission of monopolizing violence, the author’s self-professed credentials lead me to doubt his own competency at everything, especially political commentary:

    (Which, come to think of it, would’ve been fine with me, given my pro-Russian and anti-NATO perspective. What wonders the “Red Tsar” Stalin could’ve worked with all that American money! The world would look a lot different now, and much better. It would be less loathsomely American, less neoliberal, and not only more Russian, but more Russian Orthodox, given that Stalin was, in profound ways, the admittedly sometimes over-rigid vessel for a fundamentally Orthodox worldview. But I’m getting off track. Suffice it to say that an enjoyable alternate-history novel waits to be written along these lines.)

    1. Oh,
      Em,
      Gee!
      All that American money would have allowed that paranoid asshole the opportunities to kill millions more.

  58. Tl;dr
    Hoes mad.

    Neo-puritanism is a problem, but some folks at reason seem pretty happy to discount censorship and de-platforming, as long as “muh private company!”

    Maybe you can tell the upset thots to “build your own platform”? Or are we not doing that any more?

    1. The practical argument for the libertarian respect for the rights of private companies to engage in private censorship is that any government cure would be worse than the problem being cured, and open the door for all kinds of slippery slope expansion of government control of free speech.

      How do you propose stopping private censorship without creating problems of government overreach?

      1. Turf the Good Samaritan clause. If you want full editorial control become a publisher.

    2. They had their own platform. But then the merchant banks starting pressuring the platform to ban them. So…setup your own merchant bank? Except that all the rules and regulations imposed by the government make that such an extraordinarily expensive operation that it could never be done to fulfill a niche.

      Government creates situation where it is impossible to transfer money except via entities that rely on mainstream acceptance. Then we are supposed to pretend that the government’s hands are clean when fringe groups can’t do business.

      1. Exactly.

        And do you think for one minute that “building your own platform” will work once they make sure any platforms that practice “wrongthink” also can’t use any credit cards or banks? And get accused of money laundering if they try crypto? It won’t be long before anyone who doesn’t agree with the prevailing dictates is cut off from basic functions like banking. That’s already in place in China. It’s called the Social Credit System.

  59. “I’m so sad. Onlyfans was the most validating part of my entire 11 year career. After being told that I was not marketable and having few studios wanting to book me I became a top earner on there.”

    Arabelle Raphael was told she wasn’t marketable?! Pornstars get thousands of dollars of plastic surgery to make their bodies kinda sort of like her’s. Were they blind?

    Or dead inside. I could see being a porn producer doing that to you. God.. their whole lives are just watching porn while thinking about money. Yeah, that’s a recipe for soul death.

  60. School Board Bans CRT After Black Father Tells Them It Keeps Racism On ‘Life Support’

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/20/school-board-colorado-bans-crt-black-father-racism/

    “I am a direct descendant of the North American slave trade. Both my parents are black. All four of my grandparents are black, all eight of my great great grandparents, and all 16 of my great greats,”

    “I am not oppressed. I’m not oppressed and I’m not a victim,” he proclaimed.

    “racism in America would by and large be dead today if it were not for certain people and institutions keeping it on life support,” adding that “one of those institutions is the American education system.”

    “can think of nothing more damaging to a society than to tell a baby born today, that she has grievances against another baby born today, simply because of what their ancestors may have done two centuries ago.”

    “There’s simply no point in doing that to our children, and putting critical race theory into our classrooms in part does that. Putting critical theory into our classrooms is not combating racism. It’s fanning the flames of what little embers are left. I encourage you to support this resolution. Let racism die the death it deserves,”

    1. But wtf does this guy know amirite?!?!

      I think the white liberals pushing this stuff need to tell this guy to take 5 seats, and that he needs to LISTENNNN! to what capital fucking B BBBBlack people are say….

      ….Oh, he’s what now?

      Countdown to the Joy Reid pulling the Uncle T card on him in 5, 4….

    2. Let racism die the death it deserves

      To which a progressive activist responded, “to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for tolerance’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.”

  61. So where from here? How did sex work (or any business, really) go before there was the Internet? Can’t they do that again?

    And also, if you can’t use the Internet for sex work, why not use it for some other kind of work?

    Or most radically of all, go into some business that doesn’t involve sex and doesn’t use the Internet!

  62. The Texas Education Agency said that it will halt enforcement—for now, at least—of Gov. Greg Abbott’s order that schools can’t impose mask mandates.

    That has so many layers of negation, I can hardly unpack it!

    What would it mean to “enforce” an order to not mandate masks? Just stop wearing them.

    1. Enforcing that order would mean punishing people who prevent kids willing to learn from entering schools without a mask.

  63. “It’s impossible to know how much of this decision relates to marketability and venture capital funding, and how much relates to insurmountable political and financial pressure. But the latter is a very real issue, and not one so easily overcome. It’s plagued platform after platform that provide a digital home for sex workers.”

    Even when hotel chains wanted to charge people to watch dirty movies from the menus of their televisions in 1980s, they edited all the videos so they were softcore–no penetration, no money shots, etc. You just can’t get major corporations with large investor populations and mutual funds behind them to finance, distribute, or broadcast that kind of thing.

    A direct analogy would be the same kind of dynamic behind the WWF during the “Attitude Era”. Turner was a big corporation that wanted to virtually integrate its own content onto their cable systems rather than broadcast content by the WWF. So McMahon had to go find other cable outlets that weren’t owned by Turner and compete with Turner. But how do you compete with a major corporation with deeper pockets?

    The correct answer is that you start creating content that people want to watch–but a major corporation like Turner’s won’t emulate because it’s too raunchy.

    “The Attitude Era branding, used from 1997 to 2002, accompanied WWF’s move into adult-oriented television content, which controversially included an increase in the levels of violence, profanity, vulgarity, and sexual content”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attitude_Era

    Turner simply couldn’t emulate a “bra and panties” match–where one woman had to strip another to her bra and panties to win. Turned couldn’t have the Dudly Boyz slamming women through tables. Meanwhile, ECW was doing things that the WWF wouldn’t even show–and generating a cult following with that content that could never translate to national audience and gain big time national sponsors as advertisers. There were things the WWF couldn’t do for fear of losing the sponsors they had, and even more things that Turned couldn’t do–because he had bigger and better advertisers.

    OnlyFans made their name doing things that Patreon wouldn’t or couldn’t do, and now that OnlyFans has become big enough, they want to go after the kinds of sponsorships that stopped Patreon from hosting that kind of content in the past. The main libertarian lesson that should be drawn from this is that government censorship of pornography is unnecessary because entrepreneurs are far better at gauging the tolerance of their audiences for offensive content.

    The secondary question is why so many libertarians have a hard time seeing that this kind of thing isn’t at play when we’re talking about what average audiences are willing to tolerate on social media in terms of misinformation, racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Why are the social media companies so much more prudish, in this regard, than half of their users? They’re no doubt subject to the same pressures of advertisers, but another fat part of the answer has to do with these standards being imposed on them by the government through the Democratic party. There’s no doubt in my mind but that if the Democratic party weren’t trying to break these companies up, they’d do a much better job in moderating their content to the standards of their users–rather than the standards of the social justice warriors who control the Democratic party.

    1. “Grow using an initial customer base, then betray them when you see the opportunity to reach for a bigger one” may be a common business plan, but that doesn’t obligate the original customer base to like it.

      That doesn’t change that Operation Choke Point was real, and probably still is real, just a bit more covert now.

  64. THOTS demonetized, SIMPS remonetized.

    Discuss.

  65. Sex is not a crime. Selling things is not a crime. Selling sex is not a crime. And that, my friends, is the bottom line. Take it to the bank.

  66. I think I’ll call this the Tumblr gambit. Ban explicit content on a platform known for it. Yeah, that is going to end well…

    Yes, I acknowledge the pressure, but they absolutely could and should have come out swinging. This move will likely end them as a company and they not acting like it. It has been obvious for a long time now that they needed to create a separate brand for the clothes-on side of the business. They didn’t need to dump explicit content to grow that side, and I doubt that the policy change will even help remove the stigma anyway.

  67. I’m pretty much convinced the anti-sex crusaders, regardless of which political side they belong to, actually hate women. Just look at the Victorian era, for example. Sex was so repressed that they even covered up table legs so as not to remind anyone of human legs, and then you had the most miserable kind of street prostitution, including Jack the Ripper preying on those pitiable people.

    I will never understand the weird and utterly perverted desire to think of something you personally don’t like golf, or pro wrestling, or country music. Why should I have any problem with other people enjoying those things? What is wrong with assholes who feel they have to impose their preferences on others?

    1. *think of something you personally don’t like…AND BAN IT.

      I would like to ban the lack of an edit button, however.

  68. So, according to Reason, “insurmountable political and financial pressure” comes into play with OnlyFans, but Facebook and Google are totally free private actors who never are pressured by anyone and should be able to ban whoever they want!

    I can’t tell whether people like ENB just terminally stupid or whether you write this nonsense thinking your readers are terminally stupid.

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