Coronavirus

This Psychologist Thinks Mask Mandates in Schools 'Offer Distinctive Opportunities for Learning and Growth'

Writing in The New York Times, Judith Danovitch also argues that masks inhibit nail biting and nose picking.

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The usual argument for requiring K–12 students to wear face masks, regardless of their vaccination status, is that such mandates are necessary to prevent COVID-19 outbreaks and keep the infection rate in schools low. In a New York Times essay published yesterday, University of Louisville research psychologist Judith Danovitch takes the case for "universal masking" in schools a step further, boldly arguing that forcing students to cover their faces all day actually helps them learn.

That claim is counterintuitive, to say the least. As many critics have noted, masks make it harder to understand and be understood, both by muffling speech and by concealing facial cues on which humans rely to communicate, which is especially burdensome for younger children who are still learning that skill. Masks interfere with the social interaction that for many students is one of the few bright spots in an otherwise dreary and draining day. Masks make it harder to breathe by obstructing the nose and mouth and harder to see by fogging eyeglasses. They make ears hurt and faces itch. The inconvenience and discomfort caused by mask mandates, coupled with the stress of enforcing and complying with them, add new distractions and anxieties to restrictive environments that were already unpleasant in many ways.

Danovitch says parents' concerns about the impact of face masks on communication skills are "understandable but unwarranted," since "children in cultures where caregivers and educators wear head coverings that obscure their mouths and noses develop skills just as children in other cultures do." Furthermore, "even congenitally blind children—who cannot see faces at all—still learn to speak, read and get along with other people."

Danovitch concedes that "masks are inconvenient, uncomfortable and bothersome." But "as long as they are needed," she says, "we should take advantage of the fact that they offer distinctive opportunities for learning and growth."

How so? By obscuring the lower half of people's faces, Danovitch says, masks force students to focus on the eyes, which is "at least as important as looking at mouths to understand whom you are looking at and what they are trying to convey." Masks also enhance the importance of other cues, such as context, gestures, body language, and prosody (e.g., the intonation, stress, and rhythm of speech). Mask mandates therefore can help sharpen children's ability to decode those elements of communication, Danovitch suggests. This supposed silver lining is similar to arguing that forcing children to wear blindfolds all day, by depriving them of sight, can sharpen their other senses, which is probably true but nevertheless does not seem like a compelling argument for such a policy.

Danovitch adds that mask mandates can "help teach children to pay more attention to their own bodies." So would forcing them to carry 50-pound weights, eliminating lunch breaks, or banning restroom visits.

Danovitch also thinks mask mandates improve self-discipline, especially in younger children. "Keeping a mask on over the course of a school day involves the kind of self-control and self-regulation that many children find challenging," she writes. "Younger children must inhibit the urge to pull off their mask, and older children must be mindful of when their mask is slipping down or when it's OK to take it off….Research on self-control and self-regulation suggests that children who master the skills needed to keep their masks on will grow up to be better at achieving their long-term goals, solving problems and handling stressful situations."

Some might argue that the urge to pull off your mask (which is by no means limited to "younger children") is a signal of physical distress rather than a lack of discipline. And what Danovitch describes as "self-control" and "self-regulation" is actually the habit of doing as you're told, even when your body rebels.

While it's true that schools accustom children to following the sort of annoying rules they will frequently encounter in their adult lives, that is hardly an unalloyed good. Students who are trained to obey when they encounter invasive and indiscriminate search policies supposedly aimed at making schools safer, for example, are apt to be submissive as adults when they encounter police officers who overstep their authority. Children who are conditioned to accept arbitrary impositions in school are less likely to challenge them as adults. And while that might make them more patient in long DMV lines or more tolerant of security theater at the airport, there is a cost to getting along by going along.

Danovitch's comical insistence on seeing secondary, character-building benefits from the rigors of mask mandates reeks of desperation. She even argues that masks inhibit nail biting and nose picking. I am not making that up.

In the same spirit, one can think of other advantages. Masks make it easier to verify whether you have bad breath, for instance, and they conceal pimples on much of your face. They thereby alleviate major adolescent anxieties. And for rebellious teenagers, masks make it easier to discreetly chew gum or use smokeless tobacco.

I would say that Danovitch is trying to make a virtue of necessity, except that the necessity remains unproven, which is the heart of the bitter debate about mask mandates in K–12 schools. If you think universal masking in schools is the only way to avoid a large number of COVID-19 deaths that would otherwise occur, you will be inclined to support that policy. But if you doubt that's true, based on pre-vaccination experience with COVID-19 outbreaks in schools and the weak evidence offered by mandate enthusiasts, the possibility that requiring masks might offer "distinctive opportunities for learning and growth" will not sway you.

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  1. Writing in The New York Times, Judith Danovitch also argues that masks inhibit nail biting and nose picking.

    Has this dumb cunt spent any time around kids? If a kid wants to bite their nails or pick their nose, then by God they’re gonna find a way.

    1. Yup. that booger hook slips right under the mask and can pry away without being visible to the teach. This lady musta growed up in a VERY wierd environment.
      Your comments about kids being programmed to shut up sit down and submit to any sort of ridiculous mandates NOT doing them any long term favours is spot on.

      WOnder…. someone shoud dig up that research piece where someone went to a school and collected facemasks off random kids, swapping them for new ones, then sent the “used” ones to a bio lab to be clutured, all the pathogens identified. The result was amazing.. some fifty different infectious pathogens were pulled from EACH mask (which had immediately been carefully placed into a sterile sealed packaging then labelled and sent off to the lab. Not all the masks contained the same set of pathgens, but each one had a wide variety. NOT ONE had any coronavirus identified in them. and those were specifically tested for.

      So THAT is what this crazy female is pushing, then. Wonder which gummit dweebs paid for her “services”.
      she would have made Goebels proud and happy. Of COURSE the noose paper of record was eager to publish this tripe. She needs to go have a long talk with her pet goldfish.

      Blind kids learning how to read normally? And maybe the fact that kids surrounded by face-covered adults of various sorts still learn “just as well” is bogus. They learn, but more slowly. When little kids are LISTENING to older people they alwayys focus on THE WHOLE FACE. SUre, the eyes help.. but they HELP along with information and cues gained from watching the rest of the face.

      1. This is a pretext to a national mask mandate. They are getting a bunch of SCIENCE! ™ out there to say the costs aren’t that bad, and then they will put it out there.

        The last thing the federal government wants us to do is look at the clusterfuck happening in Afghanistan. They want CNN wall to wall with people arguing about masks. And the people on the left will happily give it to them because they don’t want to talk about Afghanistan either- they would much rather talk about those backwards hillbillies who won’t follow the SCIENCE! ™ they just “discovered”.

        1. If this idiotic opinion piece is government-sponsored pretext, the person in charge of pretext needs to be fired.

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          Total Humiliation.

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          AmeriKKKans are dumber than their own excrement.

          Meanwhile close to 1000 AmeriKKKans are dying every day from Covid Denial.

          The world laughs even louder.

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          1. So you’re saying that Bush lied about 9/11? It didn’t really happen? Or did your dumb ass confuse Iran with Afghanistan? Yeah, I know, it’s like Iran and Iraq, Afghanistan sounds so similar to Iraq that they’re easy to confuse.

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      Disgusting people Republicans.

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    1. Aaron Rodgers did a good job.

      1. Yeah I liked him and the Indian guy from CNN.

        The guy they picked is a douche.

        1. ya 1989 called said give us back our outfit.

        2. I read the only reason he got the job was because Mayim Bialik couldn’t commit the time needed to host all the different versions

          1. I can’t stand her

            1. Republicans just hate women.

    2. America is filled to the brim with Republican Idiots.

      Please take them and dispose of them.

      They are worthless.

  3. Stop reading that smut, it’s rotting your brain.

    1. His what? I’ve seen no evidence of Sullum possessing such a thing.

  4. learning of hatred for authority and growth of hatred for authority … maybe she’s correct?

    1. Stay on your blankly in kindergarten. . . Screw that.

  5. Research on self-control and self-regulation asking permission and following orders suggests that children who master the skills needed to keep their masks on will grow up to be better at achieving their long-term goals, solving problems and handling stressful situations exactly the kinds of mindless submissive drones the government wants.

    Fixed it for the dumb cunt.

    1. Well translated

  6. Schools have all kinds of stupid dress codes. This one isn’t any more traumatic than the others.

    I CAN’T WEAR MY FAVORITE BUDWEISER SHIRT!

    1. Not sure if serious.

      1. Some people just can’t resist the urge to make a point if they think they’ve got one, even a stupid one.

        Note to Bubba: You are making a comparison of things that are too unlike to allow an if/then argument. Dumbass.

      2. Here you go, zeb

        https://reason.com/2021/08/18/is-face-mask-skepticism-beyond-the-pale/#comment-9056035

        Bubba Jones
        August.19.2021 at 10:56 am
        Flag Comment Mute User
        I have a simpler idea.

        We have delegated these decisions to county health boards and local school districts. Just let them fucking do their jobs. If you don’t like some of the decisions, get over yourself. That’s nothing new. I deal with people every day at work who make decisions that aren’t the way I would do it.

        1. Do I understand that you are opposed to local control on this (school conduct) issue? Who do you want to make the decision other than the parents, children, and school boards?

          1. Yes, I’m opposed to mask mandates.

            For the millionth time: NOT MANDATING MASKS (OR VACCINATIONS) DOES NOT IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER PREVENT YOU FROM WEARING A MASK IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

            It’s abusive parenting, but if individual parents want to send their child(ren) to school with a mask, they’re free to do so.
            They have no right whatsoever to demand that others be forced to do the same.
            If they, or teachers, aren’t comfortable in an environment where masks aren’t mandatory, they can stay the fuck home.

        2. You were forced to wear a mask at school weren’t you?

      3. I can’t remember if Bubba was always this stupid. I feel like he wasn’t.

        1. I’m pretty sure the pandemic, the rise and fall of the mean tweeting orange man, and his subsequent replacement with the “most popular president in history” who can’t even form a coherent thought thanks to severe senile dementia has broken a lot of people.

          1. My wife, who’s usually a bleeding heart anarchist, has repeatedly commented that she feels like we’re the crazy ones with all of our friends falling prey to whatever mental illness has broken so many people.

            1. The only reason I post is because it helps me combat the gaslighting.

              1. I miss your gaslighting.

          2. Biden is showing signs of dementia, for sure, but do you acknowledge that Trump’s m.o. for his entire presidency consisted of rambling, incoherent sentence fragments.

          3. Oh, look, a Faux news talking point regurgitated by a loser.

            “who can’t even form a coherent thought”

            LOL!

        2. Yeah, I didn’t think so, but maybe I’m thinking of someone else with “bubba” in their handle.

          1. That is a distinct possibility.

    2. I’ll side with bubba on this one. It goes back to the camel’s nose and tents on slippery slopes. No-one (well, kooks said things) batted an eye when government schools did all kinds of stupid things… from forced de-segregation to DARE and resource officers schools have always (since vaccinations became available) required students to be vaccinated and current. A mask is no different from arbitrary dress codes.

      Parents should dress their children as they desire, educators should accept the raw material presented to them, students should express themselves as they desire and their peers will police the code (as they always have).

      1. “have always (since vaccinations became available) required students to be vaccinated and current.”

        No they haven’t. They don’t publicize it. And they try to imply otherwise. But only a very few school systems do NOT have a process for exempting your kids.

        “A mask is no different from arbitrary dress codes.”

        And guess what, arbitrary dress codes aren’t allowed. They need to have a specific purpose. It is fucking insane that people are just shrugging that America has become a country where my daughter has to cover her face whenever she goes out in public.

        1. I’m certainly not shrugging… I just think this battle should have been fought a hundred years ago and pointed out that we’ve all been shrugging through one federal mandate after another.

          Is this going to be your boston massacre, tea party, or concord? Or will will you adjust as best you can, shrug, and move on?

          (I just re-read all three of our posts to understand why I failed to convet my message; I didn’t date ‘since vaxs became available’. You appear to understand Trump’s vax, I meant polio, measles, etc since the 50’s at least, not just this covid vax).

          1. None of us were alive 100 years ago.
            This shit is happening now.
            If you never take a stand, you’ll always live on your knees.

        2. Get over it… Retard.

          “America has become a country where my daughter has to cover her face whenever she goes out in public.” = Overt

  7. “children in cultures where caregivers and educators wear head coverings that obscure their mouths and noses develop skills just as children in other cultures do.” Furthermore, “even congenitally blind children—who cannot see faces at all—still learn to speak, read and get along with other people.”

    Oh, FFS! “Even people with severe deformities and an IQ below 45 develop skills and get along with other people.”

    1. I guess blindfolding kids would be fine too, then.

      1. shhh you’ll summon spb

      2. Absolutely!
        Once they’re no longer so dependent on actual sight, their echolocation skills will sky-rocket!

      3. “I guess blindfolding kids would be fine too, then.”

        Maleducation is what Christian Conservatives are all about.

    2. I know, that quote, holy shit.

      I would have to question the assertion that they “develop skills just as children in other cultures do.” In societies where women wear face coverings by sharia law, they do no HAVE to “develop skills” because their interactions with others are carefully monitored and restrained by male relatives. That is NOT “as children in other cultures do”.

    3. Notice how she didn’t address deaf people.

    4. “Even people with severe deformities and an IQ below 45 develop skills and get along with other people.”

      Exhibit A: Judith Danovitch

      1. Tragically, this has not helped VendicarD develop any skills.

  8. You know who else likes mask mandates, especially for women?

    1. The Joker?

    2. The Lone Ranger?

    3. Anonymous?

      1. That would be a Fawkesy lady.

    4. Excellent point.
      When Biden & Co. get all bent because the Taliban is putting women in burqas, they can simply explain that, per Dr. Judy, it’s for their own good!!! (just think of the chewed-fingernails saved!)

    5. For my eyes only. There are a couple of places in NYC for that

    6. Yup… God…

      “You know who else likes mask mandates, especially for women?”

  9. Wow. That’s fucking insane.

    1. That’s what $200K in student loans gets you.

  10. I hope someone spits in her milk.

  11. My problem with masks; I work in a hospital and wearing the right kind of mask [NIOSH approved n-95] the correct way at the correct/necessary times and circumstances, does prevent transmission of viruses; however…

    When I am out in the community at any kind of gathering the vast majority [ok, pretty much everyone] are wearing a surgical mask which does little to protect you, and regardless are almost invariably wearing it incorrectly [nose over the top, haphazardly adorned with gaps at the sides] and are often wearing them where they would do no good [in their car, alone, riding a bicycle, in a park…]; masks are little more than a false sense of security and will most likely do more harm than good.

    For people like this bullshit psychologists, its all about “look at me” and performance, signaling that they are on the correct side and part of the “good” team.

    1. BTW, if they are not wearing a surgical mask [designed to protect patients with open wounds from getting an infection from the medical staff] they are wearing an unclean cloth.

      Is it too much to ask people to quit being stupid? I know, rhetorical question.

      1. All true.

        And as for mandates… They don’t seem to be very necessary. Everywhere that is putting mandates back in place had already sent the rate of mask wearing return before the government caught up.

    2. Hay, Retard…. The wearing of a mask is not done to protect you, but to protect others from you.

      “When I am out in the community at any kind of gathering the vast majority [ok, pretty much everyone] are wearing a surgical mask which does little to protect you, ”

      You still can’t get it right. You must have a very, very low IQ.

  12. “‘ Danovitch says, masks force students to focus on the eyes, which is “at least as important as looking at mouths to understand whom you are looking at and what they are trying to convey.”‘

    This is unmitigated bullshit. People often rely heavily on observation of the mouth to understand what the speaker is actually saying. This is especially true in environments with substantial background noise or other concerns which makes it difficult for the listener(s) to hear. Our eyes, watching the speaker’s mouth, are often a “back-up,” or a reinforcement for what we are hearing. The eyes can convey a lot of things. But not words.

    1. Boy, you got that right! I noticed in my Mom, as she aged, that she would move her lips as she watched others speak: because her hearing was going. I ain’t deaf yet, but I also find myself watching people’s mouths as they speak, especially if they’re talking fast. Now with these masks, I look at their eyes and try to discern what they are saying. Eventually, seeing my confusion, they pull down the mask to speak.

      1. +

  13. Masks are a symbol of submission and token of obedience. They communicate being in public is an imminent danger, that everyone around you is a constant existential threat (even if unintentionally) who aren’t to be trusted.
    Some argue that masks are a way to assuage fear, pretend to have control. I vehemently disagree. Everyone wearing masks does not reduce fear, it vastly increases fear and controls you.
    It is psychological warfare against, and mass conditioning of, the domestic population.
    It is extremely abusive to subject children to such a neurotic, paranoid, oppressive environment.

    As for the vaccinations: I don’t know their long term effect and am not looking to get into the biology/stats of it here, but the psychology/sociology of the place they’ve assumed in our culture.
    Getting vaccinated is basically The Science version of taking communion, which is why boosters will be forever needed – it is a necessarily repetitive ritual. The vaccine won’t be a requirement to go to confession, but to participate in public life. Instead of facing eternal damnation, one faces earthly ruin.

    1. Well the progressive crowd isn’t letting this crisis go to waste; there are many agendas behind the mandates, none of which has anything to do with a virus or being healthy.

    2. “I don’t know their long term effect and am not looking to get into the biology/stats of it here, but the psychology/sociology of the place they’ve assumed in our culture.”

      This is why every conversation with my neighbors when they start to pull out their twitter links to studies immediately screeches to a halt when I say, “I don’t care what the science is, you do not have the right to force someone to protect you from a natural threat. You just don’t.”

      The worst thing we ever did was get sucked into “My science is better than your science” bullshit. Mask/Vaccine Mandates are a moral question, and by playing their SCIENCE! ™ bullshit games, we just invited them to hijack the scientists (is it any wonder they are coming out with this article?) and the platforms those scientists use.

      1. While there is a philosophical argument to be had there, the truth is that you can only write that statement having grown up in a post-vaccine world.

        If you were living in a country with a hundred thousand people in iron lungs from polio, where crutches and wheelchairs due to polio were common, where measles killed tens of thousands every year and smallpox killed hundreds of thousands, you would be a lot less sanguine about resting on purely theoretical natural rights arguments…. And your notion of what a swinging fist looks like might be far different.

        1. “you would be a lot less sanguine about resting on purely theoretical natural rights arguments…. And your notion of what a swinging fist looks like might be far different.”

          3 Points:

          1) If I were as morally confused as you are, perhaps I would be less sanguine. Sure, I know a lot of weak willed, scared, petty tyrants who would think that these problems can only be solved by force. Just like AmSoc thinks drivers would merrily crash into each other at every intersection if the government didn’t put stop signs there. I guess you think that millions of parents would happily sit by as their children suffered preventable deaths, but I am more optimistic.

          2) Indeed, we see that 60% of eligible Americans have- voluntarily- vaccinated for this virus that represents very little actual risk to them. So personally, I don’t see a need to get at all concerned. The people who want to be vaccinated (like myself) are vaccinated and the people who aren’t have no excuse for any consequences.

          3) In many ways this is a bullshit formulation. I am sure I would have a different read of disease 100 years ago because we knew a lot less about the disease 100 years ago. But the same moral frameworks existed. My family was a ranching family. If you’d ordered my grandfather to go shooting wolves to protect your cattle, Pops would have laughed in your face. And no one would think the worst of it- because it was your responsibility to protect your own property from nature. (Usually ranchers voluntarily banded together to deal with these problems through trapping bounties.)

          That’s the beauty of morals. Some guy with a political agenda and a PhD can’t publish “new data” that invalidates those basic morals. It’s either right or it’s wrong. Science can tell us the cost of doing the right thing or the wrong thing, but it can’t tell us if it is right.

          1. >>and the people who aren’t have no excuse for any consequences.

            thank you. nicest thing anyone’s said about me all week.

            1. Just so its clear, when I said “consequences”, I meant “contracting the virus and suffering harm as a result”. I did not mean, being coerced or denied basic services.

              I wish no harm on people, whether due to natural causes or due to coercion. But if we are going to have freedom, then we need to understand who has responsibility for actions. If you are unvaccinated and get ill, that is your responsibility- not the responsibility of whoever (unintentionally) infected you. But I will happily stand next to you to resist someone trying to coerce you as a consequence of being unvaccinated (I got the jab, so *I’ll* be fine) 😉

              1. We’re at the point where if we’re going to have freedom, we’re going to have to inflict some harm on people.
                Same as your grandpops shooting wolves.

      2. It’s easy to get sucked into the arguments about science and all that. Because it’s interesting and there’s a ton of propaganda and shit to untangle. But you are absolutely right. We cede too much ground by allowing that to be the argument. There is no point at which science justifies any of the authoritarian policies and that’s the point we need to make most strongly.

        1. Yes there is. Smallpox was that point. Unambiguously.

          The lethality of that virus was so high, and the transmission was so easy. Enforcing universal vaccination was unarguably needed.

          This virus was a fairly pure example for the strongest argument. With no animal reservoir, vaccinating the entire population would completely eliminate the threat forever. So “my body my choice” arguments were undeniably arguments for allowing your decision to kill other people.

          Something like a herpies simplex vaccine might fall at the other end of the spectrum, with low mortality and morbidity cost, limited transmissibility and si!ple avoidance.

          But proclaiming any vaccine mandate as out of bounds for a legitimate society is just wrong based on that one counterfactual.

          We always go off of “your right to swing your fist ends at my nose”. Lethal communicable diseases are a pretty dangerous fist to go around swinging randomly.

          1. “The lethality of that virus was so high, and the transmission was so easy. Enforcing universal vaccination was unarguably needed.”

            No it wasn’t. Smallpox had existed for millions of years. The creation of a vaccine was a miracle. That you would turn it into a form of coercion is an abomination.

            Hint: if you think that a new invention allows you to overrule peoples’ natural rights, then you are morally confused.

            What if I told you that I could eliminate all murder in the world by giving everyone a new drug- should we force them to get it? What if that drug stripped away their emotions? Still worth it?

            1. Public health laws are a well-established, totally Constitutional thing.

              1. Non Sequitir much? Where did I mention the constitution?

                You think you are clever popping in to drop one liners all over the place, like a rat leaves little shits. This isn’t twitter, you can actually make a point instead of adding noise, you know.

            2. I will note that you never addressed the core principle.

              Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

              In a world with smallpox, refusing to get vaccinated kills other people. Una!biguoisly and inarguably.

              Perhaps you don’t understand immunity and infectious disease…. That would explain your inability to address the issue.

              The analogy is not “eliminate murder by destroying all emotion”. Serenity was a good movie, but that ain’t this.

              Don’t worry too much about not understanding immunity and infectious disease… Anthony Fauci does not seem to understand it and that has been his only job for his entire career.

      3. “you do not have the right to force someone to protect you from a natural threat.”

        Just not so, when the natural threat is viruses growing within the other person’s body. There are plenty of precedents for requiring vaccination, quarantine, hand washing, etc.

        1. “Lavase Los Manos Por La Salud” — city ordinance 12.4.7

        2. Great Mike, there are also plenty of precedents for requiring people to bow down to a ruler chosen by divine right.

          As rich as it is to see a lefty argue that we should do things because that’s how they did it in the long long ago, it is pretty weak tea to me.

          The logic that says I can force a person to stick a needle in their arms because they MAY be a risk to me is the logic that let FDR throw the Japanese into internment camps. So yeah, good, you got a precedent. It is a relentlessly evil, and morally bankrupt precedent, but there you have it.

          1. This is just stupid.

            Are you truly arguing for the right to run around having unprotected sex with unwitting partners when you are HIV positive?

    3. Then doctors, nurses and rescue workers must be very submissive.

      “Masks are a symbol of submission” – Conservative Retard

      Or you could just be a worthless Moron.

  14. I’m not generally a fan of occupational licensing. But Danovitch’s license should be revoked. The comments in the article above demonstrate an appalling ignorance of the way humans (and in particular, children) learn. She cherry-picks a few examples and then makes absurd extrapolations to reach her chosen position. Her position and article deserve nothing but ridicule and abuse.

    1. BS [bullshit], MS [mule shit], PhD [piled higher and deeper]

    2. My question would be if she is a licensed psychologist and is making diagnosis like this what is her liability if then schools use her words to justify mask mandates and then we find out it did adversely affect children? I got a faq report from my HR after they issued a vaccine mandate last week and one of them addressed masking children and they used the old standby “some study’s show” line about masks and children. BS, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of studies that show children’s brains need to see faces to develop correctly and without them they suffer multiple developmental and social interaction issues. And this is not just for humans but in many mammalian species. We will be seeing the after effects of this for years to come.

  15. Shorter version: “The floggings will continue until morale improves.”

    1. Work brings freedom. – Sign hung over Nazi death camps.
      Work brings freedom. – The promise of every Capitalist.

      “The floggings will continue until morale improves.” – Moron

  16. What a cunt.

    1. Why academians shouldn’t be put in positions of authority.

  17. https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1428003820018221067?t=DewA_8d3rDLoyyCiTU80MQ&s=19

    NEW – Klaus Schwab’s WEF has posted its latest dream for us all: “This is how our lives could soon look,” from “ghost kitchens” and “cloud markets” to ID humans by their heartbeats.
    [Video]

    1. I’ve noticed that no one ever points out that Klaus was born in Germany in 1938 and therefore for the first 7 years of his life was likely heavily indoctrinated with Nazi propaganda. For all anyone knows he might have even been a member of the Hitler Youth. I wonder why that is? Is it because he grew up to become a commie instead of a Nazi?

      1. It’s because the allies basically adopted nazism as their guiding principle while villifying its superficial appearance.

  18. children who master the skills needed to keep their masks on will grow up to be better at achieving their long-term goals, solving problems and handling stressful situations

    Take back the reparations from the Japanese-American children in the camps. The US government compensated them with essential life skills.

  19. In addition to the obvious “politics makes people stupid” angle, this is yet another red flag that psychology is not a scientific discipline. It is, rather, a haven for people who have struggled with mental illness to navel gaze on other people’s dime.

    1. Which is a shame because, while it can probably never be a “real” hard science, it is pretty interesting what people who do their best to do it in a rigorous way find.

      1. The biggest problem I have seen with basic psychology research is the horrible experimental design. I used to work with some of those folks when I was in medical research, and I would attend some of their lab meetings and journal clubs. As a molecular biology at, I was aghast at what passed as rigorous experimental design.

        It isn’t entirely their fault. Designing real experiments with proper blinding and controls that actually measure what they purport to measure in this arena is nearly impossible.

      2. Like when they studied ethnopolitical conflict and found that the only peaceful resolutions throughout history are those where the ones who were oppressed forgave their former aggressors and let it go?

        I think the Proggies figured that one out, that’s why they decided that Civil Rights Movement 2.0 demands would be more akin to the Treaty of Versailles. If you have too few Nazi’s to fight, just create an environment in which they will thrive.

        1. “Like when they studied ethnopolitical conflict and found that the only peaceful resolutions throughout history are those where the ones who were oppressed forgave their former aggressors and let it go?”

          LOL
          One of the first classes I took in college was intro to violence studies, taught by two typical liberal professors whose “understanding” consisted of little more than “violence bad”. We had a guest lecturer from the poly Sci (and the Sci in poly Sci is a joke, but different subject) department one day who had just been on a tour getting all kinds of accolades. As she was lecturing, I realized that it was all headed in that direction even if she didn’t come right out and say it. So, I raised my hand and said it – something like “Then is stable/lasting peace in these situations impossible w/o decisive violence eliminating one side or the other”. To her credit, she said yes.
          The professors immediately flipped out and, unable to get her to contradict the conclusion, quickly changed the subject.

          1. By the way: with the left being as it is in the US, we’re pretty much there…

            1. America is dead as a nation.

              The world rejoices at the ongoing American extinction.

          2. Shit – misread your comment and substituted my own memory.
            You’re correct about sociopolitical conflicts – they only end peacefully when the oppressed side forgives their oppressors after the oppression has end.
            But ethnic conflicts only reach peace when one side or the other is eliminated.

    2. Psychology is an art more than a science. It takes innate talent… Scratch that.
      Psychological insight is an art that requires innate talent.
      Psychology, professionally and academically, is bullshit exactly as you describe, and as politically biased as history can be.

  20. I don’t know about improving education but the nose picking point does explain why some people are acting like wearing a mask is the end of freedom. No stink raised over stuff like seatbelt laws that are only claimed to protect the infringed but OMG, stop people from picking their nose and a mask they say can’t stop a virus somehow manages to stop oxygen.

    1. So you read about nose picking and then skipped down to write this comment without reading any others.

      1. Other comments? You got me there, I didn’t bother reading other comments. But a quick search shows nobody made the points I did about there was no stink raised for motorcycle helmets or seatbelts which only protect the user and in some cases increases risk to the user. So what was your point?

        I’ve worn a mask in public since going on immune suppression in 2015. If nothing else they do stop hand to mouth. Masks are not taking away anyone’s freedom just like they didn’t take away mine, they’ve allowed me more freedom.

  21. Brilliant!
    Absolutely brilliant!!
    This …the so-called thinking from a so-called “research psychologist” with degrees from Harvard & Yale??

    It boggles the mind.
    But it is ingenious, once one grants the fundamental perversity.

    I too have noticed….children with two functional arms, with one being dominant, tend to use that dominant limb more than we would like. BUT, if you chain the dominant arm behind the back, for 9 months at a time, they become better and better at using that non-dominant appendage! Eureka.

    Equally, children become dependent on their two legs, and use them frequently for running and walking. BUT — if we tie their legs to, let’s say, a wheelchair, they inevitably become better and better at using their arms and hands to move from Place One to Place Two. This strengthens their arms AND makes them less dependent on normal leg function! Double Eureka!

    They also, if we’re not careful, use normal levels of ambient light to read and see. This makes them overly dependent on 25-50 lumens to do their homework. BUT — if we put them in a dark cave with only a slight glow from luminous fungi…eventually they become pretty darned good at reading with maybe only 5-10 lumens!

    Triple Eureka!

    As a bonus benefit, when one arm is chained behind them, they can’t use that arm to bother their classmates or their sister. With both legs strapped to a wheelchair, they can’t be carelessly running into traffic. And think of the electrical savings once everyone learns to read by light of luminous fungi!! (Not only does it broaden the capabilities of otherwise lazy children, but it also saves the planet!!!)

    QUADRUPLE EUREKA!

    [Obviously Judith has never worked with humans. Strange, for a psychologist, but maybe not too strange for an academician.]

    1. You don’t get an advanced degree from a top university without developing the ability to write a bullshit essay at the drop of a hat.

  22. Haven’t we had enough of these religions called psychology and psychiatry parading around as if their real sciences?

    Oh yeah, Big Pharma.

  23. Pfff my 8 year old niece sees wearing a mask as an excuse not to brush her teeth since no one can smell her breath if everyone’s wearing a mask. Kids are gross. I predict a lot of future fungal infections and nasty face rashes, potentially even worse outcomes if it spreads to their lungs.

  24. Some ideas are so dumb only intellectuals believe them.

  25. Not putting kids in enclosed spaces with each other more likely to work. Or vaccinating them. Why not authorize shots for them and not start school until they get them?

    1. Because SCIENCE! They are still waiting on clinical trial results for kids under 12. But by then, the vaccines will probably be obsolete

    2. Haven’t you heard? The family values crowd says not sending kids to school so they have to pay a sitter is destroying the kid’s futures. (I agree with you. Crowds of people isn’t a necessity, everyone can handle it now just like they did in 1918.)

  26. I’ve also heard that making kids 12 and over wear handcuffs works wonders to prevent masturbation, which can cause blindness and insanity.

  27. “ That claim is counterintuitive, to say the least. As many critics have noted, masks make it harder to understand and be understood, both by muffling speech and by concealing facial cues on which humans rely to communicate,”

    Muffled? Then practice speaking loudly and clearly and practice paying attention and listening.

    Concealing facial expressions? Then focus on listening to and understanding the meaning of words which is more important than how you feel about someone’s facial expressions.

    More importantly masking teaches children that it’s not all about them. That they mask so others won’t die. Thats obviously missing from many parents teachings.

    Hearing these narcissistic anti maskers make excuses for their ignorance is getting tiresome.

    1. Speaking of tiresome…

    2. Facial expressions communicate a lot more than feelings. It’s an important part of communication, not some touchy-feely bullshit.

      1. Body language certainly isn’t clear communication.

        If it was it would be taught in school to everyone.

  28. A lot of these members of the Mask Taliban have 1 thing in common – they themselves work @ jobs that DON’T require that THEY wear a mask umpteen hours a day.

    1. Like a painter, pest control, Dr, nurse, fireman, lawncare, drywaller, foundry worker, etc? I’m sure the generations of workers who’s careers have required wearing masks for their whole career are crying for you.

      1. I had to wear masks and respirators my whole career. You don’t wear them the whole work day, but when preforming specific tasks that require them. They also are trained in the proper use, care and cleaning of the equipment. They understand what each type of mask and respirator can do for you, and what it will not protect you from. They also understand what is going on is a joke. No fit test. People not clean shaven or with piercing in the seal area not getting a seal wearing them. Masks worn improperly, peoples noses sticking out, or under their chins. People wearing dirty masks raising their risk of illness, not limiting it. My personal feeling is the whole mask thing is a “feel good” effort and a joke. I was lucky enough to retire before this pandemic, but I do have empathy for people being forced to wear masks 8,10 or 12 hours a day.

        1. The clean shaven sealing and fitting is only for respirators not surgical masks. Surgical masks are there to stop you from micro-spitting on people not filter your breath of viruses. I’m positive noses sticking out and masks on chins is rebellion against the imagined infringement on their freedom. I recently read a workplace’s policy and they weren’t required to wear the mask the whole time they’re on the clock, only when around other people. It does suck for those who are around people their whole shift.

          Before immune suppression I’d get sick every year. After immune suppression and wearing masks around others and being aware of public items I touch I haven’t been sick. In my experience it’s not a joke and a little germ-phobia goes a long way.
          This could be taken care of by now if people would take it seriously and stop acting like fighting something they think is biowarfare is an infringement on their freedom.

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