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CDC Took Mistaken Data on Delta Variant Transmissibility From a New York Times Infographic

Plus: Dominion defamation suit against Trump lawyers can proceed, prices rose 0.5 percent in June, and more...

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Another CDC data flub distorts delta variant contagiousness. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) claimed the delta variant of COVID-19 is "as transmissible as" chickenpox. It's not true.

Chickenpox, caused by the varicella-zoster virus, is one of the most contagious diseases we know of. "If one person has it, up to 90% of the people close to that person who are not immune will also become infected," states the CDC website.

One person infected with chickenpox will infect an average of 10 people when everyone in a population is vulnerable to catching it. (This transmissibility number—referred to as R0—goes down when people have immunity to the disease.)

"The initial COVID-19 strain had an R0 between two and three," computational biologist Karthik Gangavarapu told NPR. The delta variant has an R0 between six and seven. For chickenpox, the R0 is nine or 10.

How did the CDC conclude that these were equivalent?

For one, the leaked document underestimated the R0 for chickenpox and overestimated the R0 for the delta variant. "The R0 values for delta were preliminary and calculated from data taken from a rather small sample size," a federal official told NPR. The value for the chickenpox (and other R0s in the slideshow) came from a graphic from The New York Times, which wasn't completely accurate.

Apparently, the federal agency charged with disseminating COVID-19 data and setting public health policy is taking its cues from a newspaper infographic. Oh my.

Using more accurate data, the delta variant proves more transmissible than O.G. COVID but less transmissible than the virus behind the chickenpox.


FREE MINDS

Defamation suits against Giuliani and others can go forward, says judge. U.S. District Judge Carl J. Nichols rejected a request from former President Donald Trump's lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell and MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell to throw out defamation lawsuits against them from Dominion Voting Systems. The suits stem from claims made by Giuliani, Powell, and Lindell about Dominion machinery used in the 2020 election—machines that Giuliani et al. claimed had been rigged to throw the election to President Joe Biden.

From The Washington Post:

In a written opinion, Nichols said that Powell and Lindell made their claims "knowing that they were false or with reckless disregard for the truth."

"A reasonable juror" could conclude that Powell did not have a video of Dominion's founder saying that "he can change a million votes, no problem at all," as she had claimed, the judge wrote.Nichols also wrote that a sensible juror could conclude that Lindell's insistence on "the existence of a vast international conspiracy that is ignored by the government but proven by a spreadsheet on an internet blog is so inherently improbable that only a reckless man would believe it," referencing Lindell's assertion that a spreadsheet he shared on Twitter as proof of Trump's victory was evidence.

Dominion has also filed defamation suits against Fox News, Newsmax, One America News, and Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne.


FREE MARKETS

Inflation is up. "Rising prices on everything from groceries to gasoline have eaten away the wage gains workers have seen since the start of the year, leaving most Americans earning less than they were before the pandemic began and derailing the White House's argument that paychecks have grown under President Joe Biden's tenure," reports Politico. Prices went up 0.5 percent between June and July, meaning that real earnings are down 0.1 percent.


FOLLOW-UP

The Biden administration continues its Trumpian immigration policy streak, with expedited removals and a surge of deportations. From CBS News:

U.S. authorities are now flying Central American migrants deep into the Mexican interior using a Trump-era public health order that was extended indefinitely last week, according to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials, who said the expulsions are meant to curb repeat border crossings and the spread of the coronavirus.

The Biden administration has also restarted "expedited removal" flights for some migrant families who can't be expelled to Mexico under the public health authority, known as Title 42. Since the end of July, the U.S. has carried out six expedited removal flights to Central America, deporting 242 migrant parents and children under the procedure, DHS officials said.


QUICK HITS

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• Trump's account firm must turn over his recent tax records and financial information, a federal judge ruled on Wednesday.

• A black market in COVID-19 vaccination cards was bound to happen, writes J.D. Tuccille.

• The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is expected to sanction a third dose of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for immunocompromised people.

• Children "are being transformed into a political talisman for the right. And for no reason: Most people, regardless of politics or identity, end up having kids at some point," writes Elizabeth Bruenig, taking aim at rhetoric from the likes of Tucker Carlson and J.D. Vance.

• The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services says Ohio can't impose work requirements on Medicaid.

• Some colleges will be charging unvaccinated students a "Covid fee."

• No self-respecting American should aspire to Hungarian-style nationalism, writes Reason's Matt Welch.

• "Oregon Gov. Kate Brown privately signed a bill last month ending the requirement for high school students to prove proficiency in reading, writing, and arithmetic before graduation," reports Yahoo News.

• Against the Civilian Climate Corps.

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  1. There once was a rube named Tony,
    Whose comments were full of baloney,
    His logic so flawed,
    Which made him a fraud,
    A mouth-breathing socialist phony.

    1. Tony AND Tony the Tiger BOTH say that socialism is GR-R-R-R-REAT!!!

      Sad to say for socialism, Iron Pants Maggie Thatcher amended that to say that the problem with socialism is that sooner or later, you run out of other people’s spotted dicks to eat!

      (Technically, the spotted dicks are free, but you simply can’t find any to buy, except on the black market).

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        1. He gets caught lying every thread. Which doesn’t matter too much to him because that’s what he’s paid to do.

          1. Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer… How is Your new org coming along? Are You gaining many new converts and perverts to “Expert Christian Theologians for Identity Theft?” And where do we sign up for your newsletter?

            In https://reason.com/2021/03/21/why-we-still-shouldnt-censor-misinformation/#comment-8818090 Mamma fesses to her being an identity-thief and sock!
            chemjeff radical individualist
            March.21.2021 at 4:27 pm
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            Reply
            1. SQRLSY 0ne
            March.21.2021 at 5:06 pm
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            Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer, Expert Christian Theologian! Did Jesus appear to You in a vision, and tell You that ID theft is a GREAT, wonderful thing? Or ARE You Jesus, returned to us, maybe?

            1. No, but the Buddha called you a piece of shit, and Zoroaster wants to give you a boot to the sack for being such a fucking idiot.

                  1. “No, but the Buddha called you a piece of shit, and Zoroaster wants to give you a boot to the sack for being such a fucking idiot.”

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                    1. Haha you’re sarc.

                  2. JFC…. Straz the spaz is Sullum’s sock, Sqrlsy the shiteater is sarc’s…

                    Just how many real people post here anyway?

                    1. Only TWO, Gray_Jay…

                      YOU, Gray_Jay, and ALL the rest, are socks of each other!!!

          2. Yes, but this time he does it so obviously, and after only 15 minutes from the first post, and there’s no way for him to weasel out of it.

      2. spastic asshole flagged

      3. You mean Tony the Tugger.

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    2. A. This is not funny Gumby.

      B. Tony is living rent free in your head. May I get a similar lease? I’m weird, but you’d get used to me. I’ve been told I’m quite “boring” and “uneducated.” Whatever that means?

      1. Dunno, you’d have to ask those alleging those things to explain.

      2. Hi KARen!

        “boring” and “uneducated”? No way, buddy. You can only aspire to move up to these descriptions.

        It’s a long way up from retarded pussy. Keep trying.

          1. Shut up Mac and cheese

        1. At least I don’t think the Sex Pistols are the quintessential British punk band

          1. But you do apparently think the words “have” and “of” are synonyms

            1. Sarc messes up the words when he gets shitfaced and pulls out his socks.

              1. Mac and cheese is smart

    3. Good work. You caught 2 trolls with one post.

    4. Don’t need a mask
      Put on your mask
      Double your mask
      Vaccinate fast
      Next thing you know you’re living Fauci’s mistake

      Voila!

      1. The difference between your parody and the original is that the original was SUPPOSED to be farce. What you posted is just the news.

    5. “(This transmissibility number—referred to as R0—goes down when people have immunity to the disease.)”

      Strictly, R0 doesn’t go down — as you said, it’s the number of subsequent infections in a well-mixed, completely susceptible population. What goes down is Rt, the number of subsequent infections in a particular population that has some proportion of unsusceptible individuals.

  2. Apparently, the federal agency charged with disseminating COVID-19 data and setting public health policy is taking its cues from a newspaper infographic.

    Is there an inoculation for inept echo chambers?

    1. Not to worry, since the newspapers are taking their info from federal agency directives.

      Is this what Biden meant by Unity?

    2. Yes, reading the reason comments section

    3. Top. Men.

  3. “Oregon Gov. Kate Brown privately signed a bill last month ending the requirement for high school students to prove proficiency in reading, writing, and arithmetic before graduation,” reports Yahoo News.

    This single item explains pretty much all of the Roundup items now and in the future.

    1. You can learn all that stuff in remedial classes during your two years of Federally-funded community college.

      (The state where I attended high school supposedly has graduation standards, but I know so many people who specialized in pot smoking during high school and didn’t learn any math or writing until they hit community college.)

      1. Not shocked white Mike defends this.

        1. Cawmmunity Cawllege

          1. Where he took Cawntinuing Education and a Cawmmunity Adult Learning program.

            1. Was making a cawmmitment to further his cawreer options.

          2. She cawdn’t handle a University.

            1. Too distracted by cawk

        2. HO2

      2. Figures white mike hung out with the stoners and burnouts.

        1. It is societies fault for his failures though, not his life choices.

        2. Either that, or he spent all his time scolding them.

          1. Right, because if right wingers come to this commentariat and post right-wing echo chamber b.s., and I poke holes in it from a libertarian point of view, I’m “scolding”.

            1. Nothing pisses off right wingers more than the idea that Reason was not founded to be a right winger echo chamber.

              1. It’s hilarious that you trust fund bitches think you’re something above dimwitted

              2. My theory is:

                (a) some of the right wingers were here all along, but we didn’t have that many differences in opinion during the Obama years. I can show you old comment threads from the Obama administration where John and I were in total agreement about everything.
                (b) A lot of the more recent Trump mean girls like it here because Reason has virtually no moderation. It’s the only place they can go without getting banned for acting like assholes.
                (c) Ken is a special case. He has made comments where he has expressed the sentiment that he sees himself as an in-depth political analyst whom Reason should appreciate more, perhaps putting him on staff.

                1. Ken’s posts are more thorough and logical than most of the articles at Reason. Have never seen him lament not being a paid, contributing member or promote that the magazine make that so. Though I have seen the progressive sockpuppet brigade target him numerous times.
                  The measuring stick got changed here to a scale of one to Ken.

                  1. Yup. Mike Laursen’s attacks on Ken have been blatant harrassment, dishonest and always politically motivated.

                2. Imagine a world where people just talked about the issues, rather than trying to diagnose root causes and explain why the world isn’t the way they want it to be.

                  A significant portion of the world does not agree with your politics. To the extent that you sit here and bitch and moan about mean girls while simultaneously making your own snide comments to disparage others, this problem is entirely on you.

                  1. And by the way, you could actually learn from Ken, in that he actually tries to explain his position with reasoned arguments (many of which I disagree with) while you do nothing more than troll with one liners.

                    1. I do read Ken’s comments. And occasionally learn something from him.

                      Ken, on the other hand, widely rejects criticism of his verbose opinions as being “illogical”.

                    2. Not so, by the way. I regularly make comments with actual information and arguments, backed up by citations.

                    3. I regularly make comments with actual information and arguments, backed up by citations

                      Well that’s a bald-faced lie, and contrary to your protestations of libertarianism, I have yet to see you disagree with the Democratic Party on any major issue.

                    4. Ken rejects illogical replies as illogical. Shame on him.

                  2. Valid criticism.

                3. My theory is that you’re a TDS-addled piece of lefty shit with a single-digit IQ.
                  Fuck off and die.

                4. sees himself as an in-depth political analyst whom Reason should appreciate more, perhaps putting him on staff

                  This peevish whining about Ken can only be ENB or Boehm. Are you actually a butthurt staffer, White Knight?

                  1. Brown Knight?

                    1. Are you implying that Dee suffers from incawntinence?

                    2. When nature caws…

                    3. Incawntinence caused by a massive inferiority cawmplex

              3. TDS-addled assholes Mike and Brandyshit in a group grope?
                Fuck off and die, both of you.

                1. “Brandyshit”

                  I perfer ‘Brandyfuck’.

                  1. Yeah, it rhymes.

                  2. I like BrandyBuckFutter

            2. If you want to upset a conservative, you lie to him. If you want to upset a liberal, you tell him the truth.
              -g k Chesterton
              *side note, the man who was Thursday is essentially how the fbi currently operates

            3. You’re a lefty, not a libertarian. You’re not fooling anyone.

              1. White Mike is so dumb he thinks libertarians are folks that use the Dewey Decimal system for their work.

                1. He does love a good cawd catalog.

            4. White Mike is no Edgelord

      3. I’m honestly not understanding which side of the elimination of standards or federally funded community college you are coming down on with this comment.

        I can state, without a doubt, that incentives matter. And when community college becomes completely free and there cease to be merit based standards, there will be no incentive for the pot smokers who didn’t work in your high school to work any harder in community college. Then they’ll take the standards out of community college and give everyone 4 free years at a college or university to earn a bachelors degree that’s teaching them basic literacy and numeracy.

        The cycle ends in the ultimate extension of the state as parent for life.

        1. Judging by the level of competence we see white Mike demonstrate here, that would be welcome to him

        2. Because I wasn’t coming down on a side in the comment. My positions are anti-free community college handouts for the Feds, and pro high school graduation standards.

          1. Few can translate bird squawking to English Dee.

      4. Because so many inner city students go on to community College…

      5. Students who take remedial courses in college are far more likely to drop out within the first two years, and far less likely to ever graduate college at all.

        1. And even if they do succeed, it often takes them longer. I had some friends at college who were truly failed by inner city schooling and had to go into remedial math before college algebra. Some actually did get their degree. However, none graduated in 4 years. They were simply behind.

          And none of my friends were anywhere near as bad as some of the kids that I have seen passing high school. Some make Forrest Gump look academically advanced

          1. But high school diploma equity!

      6. I wish I could tell if you were being sarcastic or not. However, I can’t even tell these days.

        1. I was being sarcastic, but understand how it is hard to tell these days.

  4. I was told that labor is only a small part of the cost of goods and services and if we giver everyone a raise there will be no inflationary consequences.

    That math was brought to you by the same “economists” who brought you the cost-curve bending Obamacare analyses.

    1. Did they get their cues from a newspaper info graphic as well?

      1. There were never any infographics detailing the math of Obamacare as they would all have made people want to read what was in the bill before supporting it.

    2. The most important component in producing goods and services is government directives. Just ask the people in Cuba.

      1. I was told here that the only reason we are alive is because government.

        1. You’ve been listening to white Mike, brandybuck, and collectivistjeff too much

        2. “You didn’t build that.”–Some guy once

      2. “If we were told by government when to plant and when to sow, we would soon have all the bread we want”, no I think I’ve messed up that quote somehow.

    3. Exactly. White Mike, jefftard, etc spent the whole beginning of summer saying all these private businesses didn’t pay enough and we should all go out of business if we can’t pay more.

      We all argued that the current increases in pay were due to competition with govt stimmies, not competition in our markets. And thus would lead to inflation.

      “Inflation is up. “Rising prices on everything from groceries to gasoline have eaten away the wage gains workers have seen since the start of the year, leaving most Americans earning less than they were before the pandemic began and derailing the White House’s argument that paychecks have grown under President Joe Biden’s tenure,” reports Politico. Prices went up 0.5 percent between June and July, meaning that real earnings are down 0.1 percent.”

      Well white Mike, jefftard, etc… Get on your knees and start sucking the d of your betters, to paraphrase hihn/kirk/peepants

  5. • Children “are being transformed into a political talisman for the right. And for no reason: Most people, regardless of politics or identity, end up having kids at some point,” writes Elizabeth Bruenig, taking aim at rhetoric from the likes of Tucker Carlson and J.D. Vance.

    Well, it’s a good thing we can count on the left to never to do this. Ever.

    1. No shit. “It’s for the children” has been a lefty slogan as long as I can remember, especially regarding gun control legislation.

      1. Well you Mormons outbreed everyone and raise little fascists. What else is everyone supposed to do?

        1. I dont get the point of this person. He’s on a formerly libertarian website, getting mad at people for promoting the 2nd amendment? Is this real or a 50 center?

          This is a great account to track the shitholery that Reason has become.

          1. No Idaho Bob is Mormon. I’m pro 2nd amendment. Mostly so we can kill Mormons.

          2. Is this real or a 50 center?

            Both?

            1. If I’m a 50 center I’m doing a shit job.

              You, Jesse, Nardz and your fascist pals post more than anyone. If anyone’s getting paid it’s y’all.

              1. Canadians are big hires for the Trump campaign.

                1. He has his share of allies in the Conservative party. He has a lot of critics as well.

      2. You have that right, Bob.

    2. And for no reason: Most people, regardless of politics or identity, end up having kids at some point

      I seriously question the reasoning that asserts that homosexuals and transgendered people have kids at the same or even similar rates as straight couples.

      It’s almost exactly like Elizabeth Bruenig is using children as a talisman for equality.

      1. Elizabeth looks exactly like you’d expect someone with her politics to look.

        1. I’ll note that she isn’t even smart enough to notice the class disconnect here. “Most people” don’t, in fact, end up having kids at some point. That’s why first-world countries tend to have low birth replacement rates, and have been trying to backstop their unsustainable welfare states for decades through immigration to make up the difference.

          In fact, the people in Liz’s class–upper class and upper middle class credentialed white urbanites–are, in fact, highly likely to NOT have children because taking care of a kid as a career professional is hard work and pretty expensive. That’s the disconnect that Vance and Carlson are alluding to.

          Liz’s complaint here is ultimately disingenuous anyway, as nothing people with her politics say can be taken in good faith.

          1. Don’t they? I’m pretty sure that more than half of people manage to reproduce. Educated, career oriented people might have one kid in their late 30s or something, but I think even most of them do.
            Still, I”m not sure what her point is supposed to be.

            1. “Still, I”m not sure what her point is supposed to be.”

              Tucker Carlson bad.

            2. “Right-wingers are using our tactics and it’s not fair.”

            3. Don’t they? I’m pretty sure that more than half of people manage to reproduce.

              How distinct is ‘most’ from ‘more than half’ in your mind? If you said 55% of women (I think we can, for expediency, assume that Breunig isn’t speaking favorably of a situation where 65% of men and 40% of women are reproducing) have children, there’s plenty of anecdotal/polling and more empirical evidence to suggest that you’re pretty grossly overestimating. Moreover, I think a bit of her point is thinly veiled ‘Idiocracy! The reThuglikanz is going to outbreed us!’ To which I can only say in reply, “Welcome to the ass end of evolution, bitch. Shoulda sat through one more biology class, one less gender studies class and applied the lessons learned.”

              A relevant (set of) fact(s) that she may or may not be aware of:
              Birth rate per woman:
              2016 – 1.821
              2017 – 1.766
              2018 – 1.73
              2019 – 1.705

              Own children per household:
              2016 – 1.89
              2017 – 1.9
              2018 – 1.9
              2019 – 1.93

              Since 1975, BPW has vascillated between 1.7 and 2.1, while OCPH has vascillated between 1.81 and 2.1. However, the gap in 2019 is the greatest gap, in either direction since 1975.

              Admittedly, the numbers are fuzzy and allow for creep, but stats across the board (TFR, BPW, Population increase, Total Births, unwed births, mean age at first birth, etc.) Show her ‘mostly’ to be closer to ‘narrowly’ and, more significantly, the larger ‘fuck families’ narrative to be a political, if not evolutionary loser. Again, I’m not sure she’s aware of these statistics, but it refutes her uneqivocal suggestion that ‘most people have’ kids while supporting her ‘Those filthy breeder republicans are using children to ward off our LGBTQIABLM agenda!’ To which I, once again, can only say “If you want to pretend it’s not a tiger when you pull the tail that’s fine, but don’t come to me when you get the teeth.”

              1. I think “most” means more than half.

                1. So, as I said, if 65% of men and 40% of women are reproducing, do you think that’s what Breunig means when she says “Most people, regardless of politics or identity, end up having kids at some point”? It’s more than 50%.

                2. Depends on the degree. 51% of Senators voting a bill into law isn’t really “most” by my perception, for example.

                3. “Most” starts at maybe 80%. Below that, it’s “the majority”.

    3. Her claim runs counter to the smug in-group ‘knowledge’ and feminist resentment tropes that smart people don’t have children and women choose career over family.

    4. “It’s okay because the other side does it too!”

      1. Repeated from below: “The party we’ve demonized as trying to keep women barefoot and pregnant since the 60s stole our pro-child rhetoric!”

    5. George Carlin put it best: Children are not the future! Because by the time the future becomes the present, the children have grown up and are no longer children!

  6. Test… being blocked by reason for reporting CDC numbers.

    1. Everyone panic?

      One of things I’ve noticed at looking at the CDCs excess rath estimates is that the number of excess deaths is positive virtually every year. This implies the model they use runs cold for expected deaths in a given year. This could happen due to a few bad assumptions in the model: no immigration, expected increasing of life expectancy, etc.

      The metric excess deaths means nothing if the model is bad. But this is the number the media tends to use without any introspection. Looking at raw deaths numbers, last year is within family of random noise variation.

      Yet we panic.

      I will post numbers below. Reason is blocking the format for some reason.

    2. From CDC
      2015: 2,712,630
      2016 : 2,744,248
      2017 : 2,813,503
      2018 : 2,839,206
      2019: 2,855,000
      2020: 2,913,144

      Numbers updated Feb of this year.

      1. That’s quite interesting, and thank you for sharing it, Jesse. I had thought the number of US deaths in 2020 was something like 3.2 million though? At least, a number like that had been posted in these comments in the last month or so. Obviously I hadn’t bothered double-checking…

        2.913 vs 2.855 doesn’t sound anywhere near catastrophic enough to justify the silliness from public health officials which is persisting today. Even though motor vehicle-related deaths had to have declined significantly in 2020, providing space in the death numbers for Covid-related deaths. Homicide likely ticked up in 2020 as well, but that’s a rounding error on this scale.

        Anyway, thanks again to posters like you, and the gentleman who extensively posted state by state numbers in these pages over the last year.

        1. I’ve seen something like Jesse’s numbers before. If you look several Counties have gone back and revised the number of COVID deaths downward. One of the reasons that there isn’t a large change is that some people with other medical issues that might have died anyway, were attributed to COVID. Last July a co-worker’s son hit a deer with his motorcycle and was killed. About the time of his accident he came up positive on a COVID test. The cause of death on the certificate was “Traumatic Head Injury w/COVID”.

          1. This was total deaths. Had been looking for full numbers for a while. In March I was only finding numbers up to Nov of last year.

        2. The cdc makes changes to the numbers for a few months. They go from initial estimates and then modify numbers as state data comes in. Why I stated when those numbers were from, Feb of this year.

        3. I’ve seen both 2.9m and 3.2m reported by CDC, after a “revised estimate”

          1. Hmm, maybe those different numbers refer to “dead” and “dead but still eligible to vote”.

            1. Couldn’t be – not nearly a big enough gap

    3. JesseAz’s numbers are bogus, of course. Deaths in 2020 were about 3.36 million, maybe a little higher.

      1. Nah, theyve been revised down numbnuts

      2. My numbers directly from the CDC in February are bogus? LOL.

  7. Hooray, it’s Census Data Dump Day!

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/12/redistricting-census-data-503994

    Since the Census data is what determines redistricting decisions, now would be a good time to discuss things like:

    – why single-member districts exist at all, why not have state-wide candidate slates for House members
    – why the House should or should not remain capped at 435, based on a law written 100 years ago when the population of the US was much smaller
    – how redistricting ought to be accomplished, so it doesn’t simply turn into government choosing their voters

    1. Statewide and proportionate maybe? If Libertarians or
      Greens get 5% of statewide vote, then they get 5% of congressional seats.

      1. Sure, something like that. There’s lots of possibilities.

        It boggles my mind why we are so stuck on single-member winner-take-all districts like this.

        1. Because we’re still clinging to the delusion that the single member represents the people who live in that district.

          1. Yes. We were founded on federalist principles that got overturned the last 100 years. The design of government was to put the power closer to to people and not a centralized executive at the top.

            Just because we lost those ideals doesn’t mean we should continue on that direction.

          2. Which is silly. If you have a 50/50 district, it’s silly to think that 1 person can represent the entire district. Why not have 2 people, or more?

            1. And of its 25. 25, 25. 25 that district gets 4!

              1. Everyone gets a government job!

                1. Running the government.

      2. 5% of a congressional seat is an asshole.

    2. Shorter jeff .. why can’t the mov rule anything and states become single party representation!

      Youre an idiot.

    3. 1. Shrug. Coalition building is going to happen before or after the election. Though I suspect having single member districts does make it easier to interact with your Congresscritters they have fewer of them.

      2. Total agreement. The Senate is too democratic at this point and the House isn’t nearly democratic enough. There should be thousands of these guys.

      3. My preference is for districts to take state/municipality/etc borders into account when drawing them. Local government needs to mean something at the Federal level. But there’s not any system that doesn’t eventually devolve into government choosing its own voters.

      1. Congresscritters they have fewer of them.

        *since they have fewer constituents.

      2. As far as #3, there are efforts to make the redistricting process less political by outsourcing it to independent commissions and the like. These ideas have their own problems, but I think it’s a step in the right direction at least.

      3. “the House isn’t nearly democratic enough”

        Speaking of which, in my fantasy world, Congress would be moved out of D.C. and start meeting in, say, Des Moines, Iowa.

        1. Sure, white Mike.
          Totes believable.

          1. I’m just assuming he misspelled ‘Portland’.

            1. Eh, I’d be ok with moving congress to Portland – provided no funds were spent for new buildings and the capitol police were left behind in DC

        2. The Hawkeye Squawk guy

      4. Repealing the 17th Amendment and the Permanent Apportion Act would be a pretty substantive step towards fixing a lot of the bullshit going on right now, as would going to a district-style Presidential election system nationwide like Nebraska and Maine have (each district gets an electoral vote, and the total vote winner gets the two statewide electoral votes). I’ve said for a while that the rest of Illinois shouldn’t have to be dominated by Cook County, while the Jackson, Wyoming area shouldn’t have to be represented by a neocon like Liz Cheney, and neither area should be forced to suck it up and deal with the fact that they aren’t really represented in the Electoral College every four years. We probably need to double the number of representatives at this point, while a district-style Electoral system would be a lot more fair and perhaps even compel candidates to campaign more often in supposedly “safe” states, to try and gain individuals districts even if they couldn’t win the state itself.

        1. My thoughts exactly.

        2. I don’t think repealing the 17th amendment would have a positive effect. Instead of occasionally getting a populist candidate the people of the state like, all of the candidates would be selected by connected political insiders. Meaning 99 of the 100 senators would probably be the same, and Rand Paul would still be an unknown eye doctor.

          1. Possibly. But there would likely be a lot more turnover within the Senate as legislatures / governors change parties, and that’s its own reward.

            Many states would also likely continue to elect theirs at-large; I think that this would be concentrated in those with a comfortable partisan split in national elections but whose governor is often the out-party (MT and MA come to mind), though I’m sure there would end up being a ton of exceptions to any rule.

            The upshot though is that it changes who the Senator works to satisfy: instead of pandering to the same voters as Congressmen and working he’ll represent the interest of the state government itself. That changes his voting calculus. It also changes the importance of state legislative elections, potentially increasing voter engagement at a level where each citizen’s vote is more important

            1. The last part is the most important. We need the Senate to be standing up for the States against the Feds. As it is now, they are on the same team (Team Grow the Government).

              1. Yep. The States have no representation in the legislature, which they were supposed to by the founders design.

            2. Totally agree. Have been a huge proponent of repealing 17A for as long time now. I would happily repeal 16A also. 😉

          2. Prior to the 17th passing, people were a lot more involved in politics at the local level. There was certainly corruption and glad-handing in this process, yes, but state legislators also had to be cognizant of the fact that they could get replaced in elections by people who might not be so eager to play ball with the existing Senators.

            Going back to the 17th would actually be more democratic because places like Chicago, Denver, New York City, Seattle, etc. would at least have their population and hence, political, dominance nerfed to some degree.

    4. It’ll never happen, but I think it would be cool if, in bicameral legislatures, one chamber would only have the power to, say, cancel existing laws and cut funding. Perhaps require every law to have an expiration date, requiring the law-passing chamber to renew it before it auto-expires.

      1. That was Heinlein’s idea.

        1. I probably got it from him, and don’t remember.

          1. Or any of the many other posters here who proposed it with much more detail many times

    5. Meh. With smart phones, why even bother with representative democracy. Let’s hold votes every hour and directly tell each other how to live.

      (And the other alternative, aiming for a minimal, boring government, seems incomprehensible to most people.)

      1. We can run the polls on Twitter, after it is cleansed of “misinformation”.

    6. State wide candidate slates is a very bad idea. It mean NO Republicans in a strong Democrat states. And while commentariat doesn’t care, it also means no Democrats in a strong Republican state.

      The point of representation is to be represented, and having L.A. and S.F. choose my local representative is NOT representative democracy.

      However, you idea of uncapping the number of representatives is a very good one. No reason that everyone has to be crowded into the same chamber, “virtual” representative chambers can be a thing. Or build a new chamber to house everyone if you must. There are enough large brutalist agency buildings around, just take one over and kick the bureaucrats out.

      The districting problem will never be solved. Like death, taxes, and inflation, it will always be with us. California when to a “neutral” committee. Where no one is allowed to be a member if they have been an active member of political party within the last two years or something. Basically, no one with any interest in politics can be on the redistricting committee. Yet the committee is still rubberstamping Democrat districting plans.

      Decades ago they had to redistrict the city I was in to make room for a new high school. I came up with an algorithm to do it fairly while taking income and race into account. It wasn’t that hard. The data was there. It was shot down because it took control of the district away from politician’s hands.

      The point of redistricting is so the party in power can remain in power.

      1. It depends on how you apportion the seats. You could end up with more Repubs in heavy Dem states. If your state has a 60/40 split in all districts, you end up 100/0 in Congress. If the seats are apportioned according to the vote, you get 60/40. It would also encourage 3rd parties, so you get say 57/37/6 instead of 100/0.

    7. I like the idea of having representation in the house as local as possible. One part of a state might differ from another enough to make that significant.
      I’d like to see a lot more reps in the house. They are too few to be representative. Would address some of the problems with single member districts.

  8. “Prices went up 0.5 percent between June and July, meaning that real earnings are down 0.1 percent.”

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    So what? Middle class families might be having a harder time buying the necessities?

    Newsflash — Koch / Reason libertarianism doesn’t care about the middle class. Our philosophy exists to make the richest people on the planet (like our benefactor Charles Koch) even richer. That’s why we overwhelmingly supported Biden. And the Biden economy has been terrific for billionaires.

    #InDefenseOfBillionaires

    1. Inflation is patriotic.

    2. But for the last 6 months I was told inflation wasn’t happening

      1. now it’s happening, but it’s a good thing (where’s the chart?)

    3. “Koch / Reason libertarianism doesn’t care about the middle class.”

      nail on the head

    4. Almost as laughable: Democrats care about poor people.

      #InDefenseOfBillionairesWhoWantToRunThings

  9. The suits stem from claims made by Giuliani, Powell, and Lindell about Dominion machinery used in the 2020 election—machines that Giuliani et al. claimed had been rigged to throw the election to President Joe Biden.

    Does this mean people will shut up about the machines being rigged?

    Haaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah right.

    1. Suck that regime dick there

      1. If the machines were rigged then isn’t the a great opportunity to show this in court? C’mon, this is a good thing, right?

        1. But that’s not what you’re celebrating, you’re celebrating you’re anticipation that people who question the rulers will be silenced

          1. *your anticipation

          2. I’m celebrating? Really? Are you high?

            1. It’s sad how much you lie to yourself

              1. High it is.

                1. Reminder that sarcasmic admits he’s a troll:

                  sarcasmic
                  August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm
                  Flag Comment Mute Use

                  I so don’t care anymore. I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out, while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is a circus.

                  https://reason.com/2021/08/12/cdc-took-mistaken-data-on-delta-variant-transmissibility-from-a-new-york-times-infographic/#comment-9044167

            2. I mean who can tell what with all of your negative posts against the party in power this year. Both of them. People get lost in your criticisms of Biden due to the avalanche of gop strawman arguments you push. Forgive him for missing those 2 posts when backed into a corner.

              1. Scar:
                Biden made a gaff that he didn’t mean and you misunderstood. See I criticize both sides

          3. Seriously. What would I celebrate and why?

            Questioning rulers is great. But the wild ravings of a disgruntled gameshow aren’t proof that the election was rigged. Not to me anyway.
            Doesn’t mean I’m happy or sad about the outcome. It is what it is, and it’s not going to change. So why spend all this energy beating the horse? It’s dead. It’s not getting back up.
            It’s time to accept reality and deal with it, instead of screaming at Twitter about this or that conspiracy.

            1. …gameshow *host* aren’t…

    2. Threats of lawsuits already got a few right-wing TV pundits to issue retractions.

      1. See it here, folks: white Mike advocates threats to silence people.
        I think it lives in Idaho, and I’m sure its address wouldn’t be too hard to find.

        1. Should we threaten to sue him?

          1. Throw a chemistry book at him.

          2. Mostly peaceful protest is always an option

        2. So if I say threats of anal rape in prison stop you from murdering people, does that mean I advocate for anal rape?

          1. I always just assumed you did.

    3. Do you mean in 2016 or 2020?

  10. Rising prices on everything from groceries to gasoline have eaten away the wage gains workers have seen since the start of the year…

    Nothing else to do but subsidize things.

    1. No it’s easier than that.
      Price controls.

      1. Long queues and shortages keep prices low.

        1. But may violate panic-demic lockdown orders. Perhaps we can organize stay-at-home virtual queues.

          1. Maybe some sort of lottery.

            1. Involving stoning?

    2. Real wages are down? The answer is obvious: more stimulus checks!

  11. Meanwhile on MSNBC…

    Anchor Nicolle Wallace said, “On the ex-president’s statement. I have been grappling with how to cover it without amplifying it. The ex-president met with the mother, Ashley Babbitt. I want to ask you if you agree with Officer Hodges, who was one of the four Capitol police officers who testified before the 1/6 Select Committee investigating the insurrection that the insurrectionists were domestic terrorists.”

    Former Trump administration DHS official Miles Taylor said, “Yeah, in fact, I agree unequivocally.”

    Wallace said, “Can you fathom an example of a politician of another party meeting with the mother of a domestic terrorist and the other party really just sort of shrugging it off? Where are we? I mean, where are we in our politics that the ex-president, inciting violent extremism, meets with the mother of, by your definition and by Officer Hodges, the mother of a terrorist, and everyone kind of shrugs it off?”

    1. Unarmed protestor = domestic terrorist

      Despicable fucks.

      1. Michael Brown was unarmed when he was shot. You pieces of shit remember that?

        1. The gentle giant was trying to get the police officer’s firearm. The officer was responding to a call where Brown fit the description of someone that stole from a store and assaulted the clerk while doing so. There is video of this.
          I was highly critical of the “police caused deaths” aka murders of Eric Garner and Freddie Gray. In Brown’s case, there are consequences to going after a police officer’s firearm. Especially when you are being investigated for a crime.

          1. I know all that but what I question is why Wilson got out of vehicle if he was in fear for his life. From I read Wilson’s testimony was never actually challenged by cross examination unlike the other witnesses.

            1. I know all that but what I question is why Wilson got out of vehicle if he was in fear for his life.

              This is logic on the order of, “Why didn’t he shoot the knife out of the attacker’s hand?”

            2. Wilson was in his vehicle when the struggle happened. Iirc two shots were fired during the “in vehicle” struggle.
              He’s an LEO. He’s not running away after the situation develops. So he got out after the first two shots.
              I watch self defense and police shooting videos for training. It is interesting to watch videos where there are multiple bodycams and other footage. We didn’t have a lot of video for this incident. Had we, maybe the “facts” would be different. Maybe not.

        2. Babbitt punched an officer and reached for their gun?

          Ironically babbitt arms were up as she pulled herself into the window frame.

          1. No, but some psycho looking ogre was punching the glass windows with his bare knuckles. It looked tense. There were Congress people right behind that door and those Maga zombies weren’t stopping. I guess you’re suggesting the cops should have just let them continue chasing down the legislators?

            1. You’re not ready to deal with the rules of the game you’re looking to play

              1. Huh?

                1. Your pulling distraction. Trying to redirect the issue.

                  You’re trying to equate the killing of an unarmed political protester and the vile labeling of her as a terrorist, with a cop shooting a guy who was going for his gun.
                  You were hoping to redirect the conversation away from an issue that reflected poorly on your party.
                  …and it kind of worked.

            2. It was more civil before the three guards/security left a few minutes before the shot was fired. There was an opportunity for further deescalation and for whatever reason, they fled. And if the “ogre” was the real threat, does this standard of care now give LEOs the green light to shoot anyone at any protest when one person crosses whichever line/standard is being used to invoke force?
              And why was deadly force used? Law enforcement has other tools.

            3. A psyco unindited co-conspirator

        3. Michael Brown had an officer’s Taser when he was shot. He went for the officer’s weapon, but, ended up with the Taser.

          1. Shoulda grabbed his balls instead like those ancient grecko wrestlers.

          2. I was not aware that was the case in the Michael Brown shooting.

            It was the case in another, later high profile police shooting, that of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta.

        4. Michael Brown was unarmed when he was shot. You pieces of shit remember that?

          LOL, even Eric Holder said that the officer shouldn’t be charged in that situation.

      2. Unarmed protestor = domestic terrorist
        Mother of unarmed protestor = co-conspirator

        You’re insulting respectable despicable fucks.

        1. Seriously, it’s basal, tribal “Your family will be hounded and shamed for generations.” vitriol. Just inhuman.

        2. Showing compassion for mother of victim of police shooting = giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

    2. Hmm. Didn’t a recent president actually meet with a honest to goodness bomb setting terrorist who was throwing a fundraiser for him?

      1. Assata Shakur is celebrated by the left. Check shirts everywhere. blm nominee was literally an eco terrorist.

      2. Clinton commuted the sentence of a person who assisted in the 1983 bombing of the Senate Building. She’s now with BLM.

        1. Did he get a BJ?

    3. Can you fathom another unarmed protestor being killed by police at another mostly peaceful protest and the media taking the side of the police officer who pulled the trigger?

      1. Ashli Babbitt was at the head of a violent mob that was breaking into the Speaker’s Lobby with apparent intent to do harm to the Vice President, congresspersons, their staff and guests.

        1. They were passionate. Watch the video. Moments before there are three guards there standing in the way of the protestors. They suddenly disappear. The glass gets broken by some guy and the unnamed guard shots Babbitt in the head. Is that the standard you want for using force at protests? That isn’t even the standard for using force at riots. Not even in Russia.

  12. Rand Paul, Swamp Creature

    https://www.axios.com/rand-paul-kelley-investment-covid-19-remdesivir-c485076a-4430-41c9-80f4-33b462f27ca6.html

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Wednesday filed documents showing that his wife invested in Gilead Sciences, which makes antiviral drugs, shortly before COVID-19 was classified a pandemic, per the Washington Post.

    Why it matters: Paul, who has repeatedly downplayed the severity of COVID-19, missed the filing deadline for such disclosures by 16 months, saying he did not know about the investment at the time.

    1. COVID was formally classified as a pandemic in March 2020. It was still the #1 news story in the world for weeks before that, and a significant issue that non-idiots (read: the Democrats and Mitt Romney) had their eyes on since December 2019.

      1. And? That justifies missing the deadline about his stock purchase and therefore essentially lying to people about his portfolio?

        1. In your typical dishonest way, you post that the investment occurred “shortly before COVID-19 was classified a pandemic” as though there were some nefarious plot going on or trading on insider knowledge, a la Nancy Pelosi. I observed that, while not formally classified as a pandemic, the hysteria was already in full effect.

          Moreover, he claims he was unaware of the investment. Show some evidence that he wasn’t or just shut the fuck up with your usual bullshit.

          1. I was just quoting the article. If you have a problem with the wording, take it up with the author of the article.

            And right on cue, you expect us to take Rand Paul’s claims at face value and give him the benefit of the doubt. I see. And you want me to prove a negative? Why don’t you provide some evidence that he is actually telling the truth.

            I’m sure when the husband of Nancy Pelosi was caught making some stock moves, you were equally deferential to explanation.

            1. #BelieveJeff!!!

            2. chemjeff radical individualist
              August.12.2021 at 10:07 am

              I was just quoting the article.

              chemjeff radical individualist
              August.12.2021 at 9:49 am

              Rand Paul, Swamp Creature

              God damn Lying Jeffy. This is even pathetic for you.

          2. Oh right, Nancy Pelosi was conducting a “nefarious plot”, but Rand Paul made an “Innocent mistake”. I see how this works now.

            Both Nancy Pelosi and Rand Paul are politicians who were caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

            1. Youre flailing defending the left, including Pelosi.

            2. Pelosi and her husband have been brazenly doing shit like that for decades.

              1. But she *said* that she has no knowledge of her husband’s stock trades! Why can’t we just take her word for it? Huh? Prove that she’s lying!!!

                1. Weird how this turned into you defending democrats.

                  1. After lying about only quoting the article.

              2. By the way, that’s sarcasm. I don’t condone Nancy Pelosi’s husband engaging in stock trades that just so happened to be connected to legislative activity, and then his wife “pretending” that she didn’t know. I don’t condone the same thing when it happens to Rand Paul either.

                1. Oddly you are so against the hundreds of times she’s done it that you’ve never posted about it before.

                2. But do you get that Nancy represents the party that has staked its reputation by opposing money, greed, personal gain, capitalism, etc.? That skews the “both sides” argument, right?

                  1. None of it matters. Jeff is a dishonest lefty, so he’s gonna attack Republicans (even if they’re libertarian leaning) and defend Democrats. It’s what he does.

                    1. R Mac, you are stupid and-or evil, to miss Chemjeff’s criticism of y’all hyper-partisan tribalistic assholes! Chemjeff isn’t “defending the D team”, he is pointing out the CONSTANT double standards of you hyper-partisan right-wing wrong-nuts! Duh!

                      Go take some more smart pills from the bottom of the rabbit hitch! You DESPERATELY need them!

                      (PS… My tribe’s violence GOOD; your tribe’s violence BAD!)

                    2. Sqrlsy’s white knighting for a paid commenter, but R Mac is the tribalist.

                    3. R Mac is the cheesiest of ALL the Mac and Cheeses! Cheeses Christ, Mac and Cheese, can you get ANY cheesier?!?!?!

                      (Or are you really-actually, the One Known Ass Mac and Sleaze?)

                    4. That joke was stupid the first time you tried it sarc.

        2. essentially lying to people about his portfolio?

          No. It was his wife’s portfolio. It say so right in the article.

        3. Meh. It was a small investment. Around 10k and lost money anyway. Lots of people made pharm investments then and now.

    2. I guess when you’re rich and powerful you just don’t notice things like stock purchases. I sure as hell know what I own.

        1. I own you all the time

          1. LOL

            Look how desperate it is

            1. What are you even talking about? You need to chill out.

              1. Nobody likes you sullum

          2. Nardz rhetorically doing you dry, isn’t really an own. Just because it’s up your ass doesn’t make it “yours”.

          3. “I own you all the time”?

            Lord of Strazele, I imagine that your motives are good, really and truly I do…

            But, no need to be a slaver! Right-wing wrong-nuts enslave themselves, to their own ideological idiocies! Prisoners of their own devices! Let’s let them torture themselves, and save us the work!

            (I do admit that yea verily, I, too, cannot resist trying to stimulate their thoughts, by poking sticks through their cages, and tormenting these self-caged beasts).

        2. He probably owns the TV he watches is his mother’s basement, or something like that.

      1. When your portfolio consists of 7 shares of Disney you got for your birthday, it’s easy to track.

    3. Kelley Paul lost money on the investment, the spokesperson added, per the Post.

      Bang-up insider trading.

      Of course, there’s investments and there’s investments. How many thousands were in play?

      1. Probably not as much as the Pelosi’s put on Tesla options just before SleepyJoe said all government vehicles must be electric.

      2. How many thousands were in play?

        Yup. I’d probably run things differently if I were a Senator but I could totally see my wife putting some money on a stock and not finding out until Apr. 15th(-ish). Especially if it were well under her credit limit.

        1. It’s Totally Different When Team Red Does It

          1. This comment only works for you if you have a history of also attacking Ds for it. You actually defended democrat stock purchases before saying it was their family, not them.

          2. An isolated incident of trading on publicly available knowledge, with no statement of the amount of money at issue, and which resulted in a financial loss.

            Yeah, that’s exactly like decades of making millions on insider knowledge.

          3. fat jeff reveals his liberal left wing voting habits by ONLY attacking the GOP.

          4. Kelly loses money so definitely insider trading…
            Meanwhile Pelosi bought 1 million in stock in Tesla a day before biden signed an EO demanding all government agencies buy electric. Also meanwhile, the Democratic senators got their coronavirus briefings before the public and sold off millions of dollars in stocks before the crash last year, and faced no consequences and no regulation.

            It’s like Jeff is some sort of shill or something.

          5. It’s Totally Different When Team Red Does It

            I (and Claptrap) was actually saying that it’s totally different depending on the amount of money we’re talking about. If Pelosi made $1000 bucks, on insider trading, I give precisely zero shits. I probably wouldn’t even be too objectionable to $10K. Even at $100K, my issue isn’t/wouldn’t be as much about the fact that she made money or she’s a Democrat as the fact that she consistently decries the right getting richer while the poor get poorer. I’m not aware of any time that Rand Paul insisted that gains, even ill-gotten ones, be redistributed in the name of equality (maybe, through some twisted hyper-partisan lens, in reference to asset forfeiture).

            But if you really want to inject your partisan politics into the issue I suggest you take it up with “Both-Sidez!!” sarcasmic.

          6. Did rand Paul then write a bill naming that companies tech as a sole source for the federal Gov?

    4. Weird how you’ve never done this for any democrat.

      1. Isn’t it.

        Like when Pelosi bought $10 million in shares in Microsoft back in March, just two weeks before Microsoft secured a government contract worth $22 billion, there was nary a peep from chemleft.
        Or when Pelosi bought $1 million in Tesla a day before Biden EO’d all government agencies buy electric, chemjeff had nothing to say.
        And when Pelosi bet $6 million on Apple, Amazon and Alphabet ahead of the House committee moving forward with bills on Big Tech, Jeff said nary a word.

        Pelosi entered public service with $9 million in the bank and parlayed it into $120 million during the course of her service… but for Jeff the real scandal was when Trump owned $400 worth of the drug company that makes Hydroxychloroquine through a mutual fund. Claimed he was enriching himself.

        1. I want to see pelosi’s tax returns and finances!

          1. A big write off for spoiled ice cream.

    5. I love how this place just filled up with lefty bootlickers. Keep sucking bidens cock you fucking loser

    6. Paul, who has repeatedly downplayed the severity of COVID-19

      Excuse me?

      Paul HAD covid. Pretty bad. Especially after the damage done when the democrat terrorist attacked him.

      He hasn’t ‘downplayed the severity of covid’–he’s questioned it’s source and the efficacy of masks and lockdowns.

      1. And what the hell does that have to do with his financial filings anyway?

        1. I think the real question is why is Reason so consistently anti-Rand Paul, when he’s one of the most libertarian people in Washington?

    7. Right now the only thing I care about in politics is pushing back on the public health tyranny. So Rand is one of the good ones.

  13. CDC Took Mistaken Data on Delta Variant Transmissibility From a New York Times Infographic

    Trust the experts!!! MY GOD WON’T PEOPLE JUST TRUST THE EXPERTS!!!11!!1111!!!!!

    1. Nyt journalists are the experts. Boom.

      1. Don’t forget the University of CNN where Jeff and JFree got their virology doctorates.

        1. University of CNN

          I have to take Queer Studies with Professor Stelter next semester.

          1. It’s a trap

            1. See what did you there, I have.

              Shame to let a nice pun go unrecognized…

              1. Thank you, everyone else gets to use it!

                1. But I’d like to note here that I 100% acknowledge Chumby as the pun king of these here parts

  14. The Biden administration continues its Trumpian immigration policy streak, with expedited removals and a surge of deportations.

    Technically it’s fruit from the Obama tree, at least.

    1. But then how would ENB both sides?

  15. “‘Oregon Gov. Kate Brown privately signed a bill last month ending the requirement for high school students to prove proficiency in reading, writing, and arithmetic before graduation,’ reports Yahoo News.”

    Good.

    I learned in college that supposedly “objective” methods for measuring intelligence or academic achievement are almost always racist.

    #LibertariansForEquity

    1. Proficiency testing discriminates against dingers.

    2. Proggies are racist. As Phil Ochs sang – “I love Puerto Ricans and Negroes, as long as they don’t live next door”

  16. Even hunter biden was worried about being blackmailed due to his laptop and videos. But leftists say nothing to see.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hunter-biden-pillow-talk-video-laptop-las-vegas-blackmail

    How many laptops do crack addicts have?

    1. Why does he feel compelled to record all of idiocy?

      1. Because he’s a crackhead with low impulse control, and if he lived in the ghetto rather than in DC as a Democrat swamp creature’s son for 50 years, he’d be rotting in jail rather than having the media cover for his dumb ass all the time.

        1. I think there’s a Freudian impulse to get caught too, and finally suffer not only consequences himself, but also his family.
          Seems like a deeply unhappy dude.

          1. Maybe, but I think it’s really because he’s a spoiled shit who’s had the roads of life snowplowed for him since he was a kid, and he’s never suffered any real consequences for his actions. His interviews and overall behavior indicate that he’s probably a sociopath that’s been enabled by his over-indulgent father his whole life.

            1. Plus, it does make you wonder where Hunter picked up the idea that underage extended-family members were fair game for trying to fuck.

              1. This dude communicates with his sister and they talk about what kind of escorts he should have for public appearances. That’s not a normal family.

            2. 100% true, red rocks, and that’s what I see as cause of his possible self loathing and self destruction drive. He’s always been a fuckup, and instead of helping him not be a fuckup his father just used him, probably while reminding him how much better his brother was.
              Who knows, but a lot of his behavior seems like attempted suicide bombing due to resentment.

    2. Nice try. But the American intelligence community declared that the “Hunter Biden laptop story” was, in fact, Russian disinformation.

      #StopSmearingHunterBiden

      1. True, true. Those Ruskies used the same hookers that Trump used for his watering pleasure to ensnare the unsuspecting Hunter into snorting coke off their asses. Truly turning the tables on the poor lad.

      2. Just to be clear, this a different laptop that he thinks was stolen by a Russian crack dealer he partied with in 2019. The IC hasn’t weighed in on this one yet.
        #libertariansforcensorshipofanythingaboutHunterBiden

    3. Sure Hunter fucked his underage niece and took pictures of her naked, but the Washington Post and New York Times regarded little Barron Trump as a real villain.

      1. Barron sounds German. Add the Red State affiliation and we have the Red Barron reboot.
        Mein Gott!

        1. Barron sounds like an airplane

          1. I was thinking cheap frozen pizzas.

            1. Molly’s womb.

    4. Biden: Russian asset.

  17. Apparently, the federal agency charged with disseminating COVID-19 data and setting public health policy is taking its cues from a newspaper infographic. Oh my.

    Your daily reminder that the CDC is incompetent.

    1. Not Oh my.

      Yes “You’re fired!”

    2. Biden’s handlers found a CDC director who is even worse than Redfield.

  18. Huh. So there was actually a negative correlation between ending the extra unemployment benefits, and labor force participation.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/04/early-end-to-federal-unemployment-pay-in-26-states-not-getting-people-to-work.html

    Twenty-six states announced their intent to end federal pandemic-era benefits starting in May. They officially pulled out in waves over June and July.

    UKG, a payroll and time-management firm, found that shifts among hourly workers in those states grew at about half the rate as states that continued the benefit — the opposite trend of what one might expect.

    Specifically, in states that ended benefits, shifts grew 2.2% from May through July; they grew 4.1% in the others that kept federal aid intact, according to UKG’s analysis.

    “Unemployment benefits were not the thing holding people back from going to work,” according to Dave Gilbertson, a vice president at UKG. “There are other elements out there, particularly in their personal lives, making it really difficult to go back to work.”

    1. You honestly can’t be this stupid… look at state employment rate spre and post ending enhanced UI you ignorant fuck. Please tell us when UKG became a powerhouse for economic theory. Almost like you’re simply posting whoever agrees with your initial assumptions.

      1. You honestly can’t be this stupid…

        It’s chemjeff.

      2. Yep. Surely no one would use ADP actual payroll data to do this analysis.

      3. The other confounding variable is that labor force participation is based on those looking for work/employed. If a person drops out of the job market all together they don’t count. So when you take away their free ride, that is another person looking for a job who wasn’t counted at all before

    2. There are other elements out there, particularly in their personal lives, making it really difficult to go back to work.”
      Such as?

      1. School, child care, transportation…

        1. Wait. . You mean people have to live their lives?? The horror.

        2. Mask mandates, lockdowns, vaccination passports…

        3. School, child care, transportation…
          These things have never happened before to anyone! It’s like some kind of dystopian nightmare!

          1. These things have all also been greatly upended by the pandemic.

            If you’d like to go back to work, but you are having a hard time finding a daycare provider, and/or your kid’s school is still online, it makes the decision to go back to work that much harder.

            1. These have all Ben upended by Gov mandates.
              Fixed that for you

              1. 100000000%

      2. Lazy Ness, stupidity, disabilities like prickly heat, tripolar disorder, and ennui.

    3. Let’s keep paying people forever. Seems reasonable.

    4. Let’s assume that this data is correct, Jeff. What is your point for posting it?

      As a self-professed libertarian, are you arguing that we should keep sending people other folks’ money so they can stay idle? Are you saying that ending unemployment checks should not be supported by libertarians if it means they will stay unemployed?

    5. When all else fails, look at the rate of growth and don’t mention the baseline.

  19. For one, the leaked document underestimated the R0 for chickenpox and overestimated the R0 for the delta variant. … The value for the chickenpox (and other R0s in the slideshow) came from a graphic from The New York Times, which wasn’t completely accurate.

    So, let me see if I got this straight: the CDC took data from an inaccurate infographic from the New York fucking Times (an authoritative source for medical information for sure), made their stupid mask guidance based on those inaccurate numbers, and then the NYT (and other mainstream news sources) uncritically parroted the CDC’s guidance while using those inaccurate to continue to produce fear pron. That about right? Nice little incestuous circle jerk. Good job, fuckwits. Bra-fucking-vo

    1. And good job on me for properly closing the blockquotes tag. Can I get a round of applause?

    2. Pretty accurate assessment, except the CDC based their most recent mask guidance on questionable data from an outbreak of COVID-19 at a wedding.

    3. Well, to be sure, it worked for the Steele “dossier”.

    4. It is more that they are making these decisions constantly, and then using whatever data they can scrape up to support them after the fact.

      1. ^^ Exactly. The ‘science’ is just dug up to justify whatever they already decided to do.

  20. “The Biden administration continues its Trumpian immigration policy streak”

    Nope. Impossible.

    How do I know this absolutely cannot be true? Because AOC sincerely cares about immigrants. If Biden pursued the same white nationalist policies Drumpf did, I guarantee she’d be out there crying by a fence again.

    #LibertariansForBiden
    #LibertariansForAOC

  21. https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1425788864430551046?s=19

    JUST IN – Australian capital #Canberra enters “hard” lockdown. Melbourne extends lockdown as Sydney introduces “no jab, no job” policy.

    1. Also: New Zealand seals border for the rest of the year.

      1. Saying, “This is the kiwi need to protect ourselves.”

      2. New Zealand seals border for the rest of the year.

        What a bunch of racists those kiwis are.

        1. Cue Pulitzer-winning image of “drowned” Guatemalan child on a New Zealand beach, who expired after swimming all the way there.
          So heartless.

    2. all for one new infection. the problem with lock downs is that they will never end what you are trying to prevent except for something like ebola which kills in short order. this is a known fact that has been replicated throughout the history of mankind. As soon as you reopen you will get more infections without 100% immunity which can never occur with lockdowns.

      1. Delays the inevitable.

      2. This is especially true with a virus that has been observed traveling through cats, dogs and deer. Humans hiding in bunkers doesn’t stop it from spreading among animals at will.

      3. And anyone who doesn’t know that that’s how it will all play out in the end is an idiot. At this point they just can’t admit how wrong they have been. What are they going to do, hold out for a perfect vaccine that provides sterilizing immunity to everyone who takes it even if it means locking everyone down for 10 years?

  22. “Apparently, the federal agency charged with disseminating COVID-19 data and setting public health policy is taking its cues from a newspaper infographic. Oh my.”

    To increase its circulation, the “New York Times” made a change some time ago. They decided to become a version of “The Onion.”

    Except they forgot to tell anyone. And nobody noticed.

    1. Well, some of us noticed.

      1. +

  23. https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1425789960746115076?s=19

    Incredible article.

    Israel, with a nearly entirely vaccinated adult population, now expects this coronavirus wave to be the worst yet – up to 2,500 serious cases compared to 1,200 in January.

    Note: the article doesn’t mention vaccines once. It’s like they never even happened. [Link]

    1. Wonder which vaccine(s) Israel has administered.

      1. Some company called “Saline Solutions”.

        1. If that were the case, it would cause the patients to be salty.

          1. I hope they used Kosher salt.

        2. Props if they managed to jew the Israelis.

      2. Israel primarily uses the PFZ/Bio-N-Tech vaccine. They signed a data sharing agreement with PFZ to obtain vaccine more quickly. In return, PFZ got clinical data from a very diverse population. Israel has a very diverse population, racially. Israel has immigrants from over 150 countries.

    2. Booster shots will totally solve that problem… It’ll solve .Gov’s issues with figuring out who really got the jab(s) and who didn’t, at any rate.

    3. What a coincidence, Israel Must go back into lockdowns because of a Massive Surge predicted right as a slew of massive tax hikes are introduced by a leftist government. I suspect this has more to do with preventing Insurrectionists from assembling than anything else.

      1. See? It’s right there! Taxes cause Covid!

  24. Reason has received 15 nominations for the 2021 Southern California Journalism Awards.

    Wake me when flyover country sends it some accolades.

    1. They better all be for Rommelman. The Dispatch from ‘x’ stuff was great, neutral reporting rather than refeeding Twitter feeds from other journalists and pundits.

      1. You do realize the morning roundup is not journalism. It’s just a blog post to read with your morning coffee. The whole point is it is supposed to be full of links to tweets and news stories.

  25. Trump’s account firm must turn over his recent tax records and financial information, a federal judge ruled on Wednesday.

    Impeachtree Accounting.

    1. The strange part of the ruling is the judge even stated it was essentially a political action and allowed the legislative branch to influence the executive under threat even after a president leaves office. The judge recognized the danger in this action and simply ignored it because “but Trump. “

      1. “But Trump” is the overriding legal justification for the evisceration of all legal and constitutional protections. The Framers recognized this, which is why they included Article VIII: But Trump…

        1. Really? I had thought it was called, “But Drunk Driving!”?

          Now of course it’s, “But Respiratory Virus!”

          1. The “But Respiratory Virus!” is a subsection of the “But Trump” article.

            1. ‘Trump’s not here, man.’

              And yet, they still are lying.

  26. A black market in COVID-19 vaccination cards was bound to happen…

    I assume there’s some law this is breaking.

    1. They’ve charged multiple people with felonies. The cards have the CDC seal so it is considered reproduction fraud or counterfeit fraud.

      1. How about a ‘fair use’ exception, as the fake cards will probably save more lives than the real ones.

      2. teh seal is small enough that a person could make minor changes such that it would look fine at first glance without a magnifer and comparing to another. 99% wouldn’t notice.

    2. I assumed requiring vaccine passports was breaking some sort of law.

      1. It does, but only the wrong people care about those laws.

  27. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is expected to sanction a third dose of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for immunocompromised people.

    Continuous IV.

    1. the movie THX1138 where everyone took their daily dosage and were monitored while taking it. we are that close to reality mimicking art.

  28. Some colleges will be charging unvaccinated students a “Covid fee.”

    Black market to the rescue.

    1. “colleges will be charging unvaccinated students a “Covid fee.”

      Muh private Cumpany college.

      “But all these colleges received government funding and subsidies.”

      That’s different because shut up.

    2. Some colleges will be charging homosexual students an “AIDS fee” and… No wait, politically protected class. Nevermind.

      1. Right, great analogy, because AIDS spreads by human action as unavoidable as breathing.

        1. Fauci had claimed casual contact could transmit it and that is how gay men became pariahs in the 1980s.

      2. How about a mental health fee for students who take any kind of psych meds? That’s something they actually spend tons of money on.

  29. https://twitter.com/ClaireBerlinski/status/1425142560671080453?s=19

    The anti-vaxxers are playing with fire. No one gets to kill American children without triggering a Jacksonian response. It may be a stupid, brutal response. But it will happen.

    1. Why does Twitter attract so many mentally ill people?

      1. Because it’s full of leftists.

        Mass psychosis is a thing.

        1. They should seek psychiatric tweetment.

          1. You are on fire today!

    2. “Your terms are acceptable.”

      1. Yeah, no shit. I’m vaxxed, and I would certainly love the opportunity to give this rootless cosmopolitan bitch exactly what she’s looking for.

        Note that this whore lives in Paris, and thus doesn’t think she’ll suffer the consequences of the violence she’s threatening.

        1. Leftist totalitarians cannot conceive of consequences, because they’ve yet to receive any consequences.
          This has to stop.

    3. Wait, who is killing American children? I can’t see what she’s replying to.

      1. Vaccine requirements for travel and the ‘anti-vax’ reaction, from what I gather. But, I will largely ignore anything from her, as she describes herself thus: Elite creds. Interesting jobs. Writes books. Good-looking, Cosmopolitan Globalist.

    4. The building’s on fire, people are dying all around, there’s serious doubt as to whether the fire department can do anything to control the blaze and everyone’s ignoring the evidence that they may’ve had a part in setting the fire and Berlinski’s threatening to go full-Jackson on the people in the middle who are, in reality, refusing to play with fire.

      Jackson’s dead and you’re not him. Bring it.

      1. Not to mention that Jackson was a nationalist and populist who absolutely loathed people like her.

    5. Why is she invoking the memory of a white supremacist folk hero that broke the law and his oath to uphold the constitution to enact a genocide on American Indians?

    6. Anti-vaxxers like all the government agencies acting like the vaccines are completely worthless?

  30. Oregon Gov. Kate Brown privately signed a bill…

    Privately, eh?

    1. Muh private government.

  31. Against the Civilian Climate Corps.

    Did you learn nothing from Captain Planet and the Planeteers?

    1. How long before the climate corps are armed?

      1. When EPA upgrades their arsenal. The CCC will get the hand me downs.

  32. The Biden administration continues its Trumpian immigration policy streak

    I think the original version of this movie, where a Democratic president continued his Republican predecessor’s War on Terror policies after mouthing the right platitudes during the campaign only to have the anti-war left go suspiciously silent after spending the previous president’s term comparing him to “literally Hitler,” was better. This is really just an unimaginative re-hash. I give it 0 out of 10.

    1. This is really just an unimaginative re-hash. I give it 0 out of 10.

      Get woke. Go broke.

  33. “Oregon Gov. Kate Brown privately signed a bill last month ending the requirement for high school students to prove proficiency in reading, writing, and arithmetic before graduation,” reports Yahoo News.

    Most of them would have failed anyway.

    1. But they must pass a Covid test.

      1. That, and as long as they’re able to repeat the right CRT mantras it’s all good.

  34. “Apparently, the federal agency charged with disseminating COVID-19 data and setting public health policy is taking its cues from a newspaper infographic. Oh my.”

    While the CDC is getting its data from The New York Times, the Biden administration is bashing Facebook for letting people say things that contradict the CDC–which is far worse.

    In fact, restricting the ability of plebeians to disagree with The New York Times may be a smidge better than restricting their ability to disagree with the government–from the perspective of the First Amendment.

    Regardless, nothing is authoritative just because it comes from the CDC, and everyone who thinks that’s a controversial statement has something important to learn.

    “There are certain requirements that should be met for an argument from authority to be legitimate:

    1) The authority is an acknowledged expert in the field under consideration.

    2) The statement of the authority is relevant to their field of expertise.

    3) There is a general agreement among experts in the field under consideration.”

    https://fallacyinlogic.com/appeal-to-authority-fallacy/

    That last bit is really important!

    In the CDC’s case, that consensus is driven by the data available at one point in time, and the consensus is limited by the availability and quality of the available data at that point in time. The consensus is based on inductive reasoning–it can and does change as new data becomes available–and the consensus cannot take our individual qualitative preferences into consideration.

    If the CDC says that fighting a war to abolish slavery is hazardous to the health of both military personnel and civilians, how much should you care about the scientific consensus? There are rational answers to that question, but none of the rational responses depend on the authority of experts. There is no one at the CDC who can tell you on an authoritative basis whether you should care more about keeping your business open than you do about the risks of contracting the delta variant.

    There is no rational substitute for individuals making choices for themselves with their own qualitative preferences in mind. We sometimes argue about various definitions of libertarianism. One good one might be that a libertarian is someone for whom the appeal to authority is the logical fallacy to which they are least susceptible. And I can’t help but wonder if the people who think we should all just do whatever the CDC says, in addition to being irrational, also have a problem with their self-esteem.

    There’s another candidate for a good definition: Libertarians are people who–quite rationally–believe in their ability to make qualitative judgements for themselves.

    1. The federal government is not the final arbiter on what constitutes “truth.” This is mindbogglingly dangerous position they are staking out, but the corporate media in this country are cheering it on because herp-a-derp VIRUS!!!111! TrUUUUjmmmp!!!!

      1. It’s ultimately about the elitism of progressives.

        They don’t want average Americans making choices for themselves because they’re contemptuous of average Americans.

        1. Meanwhile, markets, which are nothing but millions of individuals making choices for themselves, routinely outperform the central planners–cross culturally and throughout history.

          1. Take a brief pause, and look up what part of the overall market is individual investors, and what part is managed 401k funds and the like.

            1. Someone is making the choices to invest their money in a fund like that–even if it’s passively invested. Even in program trading, some individual is setting the conditions for the trade, and some individual is choosing to invest their money in that account for that purpose. Ultimately, markets are people making choices, and that’s why markets should be as free as possible.

    2. And in related news, still not a peep from Reason on Rand Paul being silenced by Youtube for voicing his opinion informed by his expertise as a doctor.

      1. I’d ask for a link, but it’s absurd to ask for a link to something that’s being censored.

        1. https://archive.ph/Oi8qt

          YouTube suspends Rand Paul for a week over a video disputing the effectiveness of masks.

          1. Thanks!

            Yes, Rand Paul is not allowed to question the pronouncements of the CDC on a Google property–especially when Google is the subject of an antitrust suit aimed at breaking them up by Biden’s Justice Department.

            “In fact, masks do work, according to the near-unanimous recommendations of public health experts.”

            —-The New York Times

            Moonrocks’ link

            And that statement links to a quote from someone at the CDC–from November of 2020.

            “The more people who wear a mask, the more the community is protected and therefore the more you individually benefit,” said Dr. John Brooks, chief medical officer of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Covid-19 response program. “It’s like a herd effect.”

            —-The New York Times, November 19, 2020

            https://archive.ph/VCBh8

      2. Muh private global mega-corporations which cemented their positions due to government investment and sponsorship, either directly via In-Q-Tel, or through their proxies.

        1. Muh private company working hand in glove with the government and taking orders from bureaucrats to censor “misinformation”.

          1. Muh so using their platforms to stop us from contradicting the Biden administration is the only time they care about property rights.

    3. I would argue that the very act of using a government entity – CDC in this case – as the measure for what information is censored, is a violation of the first amendment. This linkage explicitly states that information contrary to the government entity will be censored.

      1. They should be free to use whatever standard they want, but using the Biden administration’s preferred standard under the threat of an antitrust break up of their company for tolerating misinformation isn’t okay.

        1. What if the standard they would have chosen, anyway, un-coerced aligns with what the Biden administration wants? The management of high-tech companies have long been accused of being liberals, anyway — you never address this point in your commentary on this topic.

          1. Then the Biden Admin should have shut the fuck up. Whatever the case may be regarding the Facebook policy, the government should have nothing to say about it.
            The constitution really needs an enforcement provision. I propose that any legislator who votes for a law which is later determined to be unconstitutional, or any executive who enacts any unconstitutional executive orders or meddles with constitutional rights should be taken out back and shot.

            1. Sounds reasonable.

            2. It does: 1st+2nd+9th amendments

  35. CDC Took Mistaken Data on Delta Variant Transmissibility From a New York Times Infographic

    Questioning CDC data is an insta-ban on twitter, Facebook and other pRivAtE c0mpaNieS. What will ENB do without her primary sources?

    1. I think it’s also worth questioning at this point if any inaccurate data reported in the New York Times is really “mistaken” as opposed to “deliberately false.”

      1. Maybe they brought Jayson Blair back.

      2. “Worth questioning”? I’ve been assuming that roughly 90% of everything in NYT and WaPo is a lie for years.

        1. Their newsrooms are filled with unfactsinated people.

      3. Meh, for some statistic about chickenpox, it’s likely they just did lazy research and fact checking. No need to assume malice where incompetence suffices as an explanation.

        1. Yet that incompetence is what they’re basing government policy on, and hundreds of thousands of people are being censored for questioning it.

        2. Notice how often the leftists are using this excuse these days.
          Might make a discerning person who’s been paying attention a bit suspicious.

        3. At this stage of the pandemic game, allowing this level of incompetence can reasonably be considered malice.

        4. >>incompetence suffices

          it’s the fucking CDC there should be zero sufficient incompetence.

        5. No at this point it’s malice. Why does all the incompetence only go in one direction?

        6. Of course Dee is defending this.

    2. When will youtube and twitter ban the CDC for giving out false information from the NYT.

      1. We must trust the “experts”.

      2. I’m finding <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o"this more and more applicable everyday.

        1. Christ, great job on the .html tags.

      3. They should at least get blocked for 24 hours and be forced to delete the tweet.

    3. Thus the wishy-washy wording for what was clearly CDC use of false data used by the NYT to promote fear, posted by the CDC, and re-used by the NYT to promote fear. It may not have been deliberate, it may have been. What is certain, it was grossly incompetent, unconscionably lazy, and worthy of inquiry and dismissal in both the CDC and the NYT. The latter, being a private company, will continue to put out false information to shape the narrative they prefer. The former, however, work for the taxpayer.

      1. “The former, however, work for the taxpayer.”

        Hahaha!

  36. “Dominion has also filed defamation suits against Fox News, Newsmax, One America News, and Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne.”

    Free speech requires us to be able to say what we want and feel about elected officials and the decisions they make, and one of the legitimate responsibilities of elected officials is overseeing private contractors.

    If you don’t think people should vote for Joe Biden because Joe Biden raised a son who is a wreck of a human being and a crook, you should be free to say that. My contention is that private contractors willingly open themselves up to this level of speech when they willingly become government contractors.

    Free speech includes the freedom to say whatever you want about the way our votes are counted and who is counting them, just like you’re free to say pretty much whatever you want about the candidates, and any company that doesn’t want to open themselves up to that level of criticism should choose to avoid doing business with the government.

    1. Yes, you’ve said many times this is how you would like defamation law to work.

      1. And you squawked in response every time.

      2. And you’ve proven to be full of shit every time you post.

    2. Won’t lawsuits against these individuals give them the right to discovery? We might finally get the opportunity to see some of the allegations play out in court, albeit long after any remedy can effectively be granted.

      Then again, Dominion has had more than ample time to wipe or forge its records. You know, with a cloth.

      1. For all I know, there’s a cultural difference here. My understanding is that Dominion is a Canadian company, and they don’t have the First Amendment in Canada. Politicians in Canada suing media outlets for defamation is not uncommon in Canada for that reason. And that gets really hairy when you’re talking about not having Section 230, too.

        When somebody’s kid drowns in their backyard swimming pool, the news outlet in question typically won’t even open up the story for comments for fear that someone will speculate about the guilt of the mother in not watching her kid–and open both the commenter and the media outlet to a defamation suit. It’s the same thing with politicians caught in scandals. If you speculate that an elected politician or a candidate did something wrong, you can open yourself up to a defamation claim.

        If that’s the way things are in Canada, this may seem entirely appropriate to a Canadian company. The First Amendment isn’t just the protector of our free speech rights. It’s also an expression of our cultural mores. It’s an expression of what makes us American. People outside the country don’t necessarily understand American culture when it comes to the Second Amendment either. Regardless, we’re different from what you get in Canada.

        1. It seems entirely appropriate to a US judge too.

        2. Did you not know that Dominion is also incorporated in the US and has a headquarters in Denver?

          US Dominion Inc and Dominion Voting Systems Inc are incorporated in the State of Delaware. The Toronto branch is a subsidiary of US Dominion Inc. The plaintiffs in the lawsuit are American corporations. They have a solid base here.

          Did you think their legal team did not know what they were doing? This is every plaintiff attorneys dream case. The defense has major problems here.

          This blather about Canadian culture is nonsense.

    3. P.S. Because Dominion sues individuals and media outlets that criticize the way their machines count votes is an excellent, rational reason for voters to oppose their elected leaders’ decision to use Dominion’s machines. Why should a politician who cares about free speech and his constituents subject them both to a contract with a private company that sues individuals and the media outlets for criticizing them?

      At the very least, responsible politicians who choose to use Dominion’s voting machines in the future should insist on the company waiving their right to sue voters in their district as part of their contract. Doing anything less than that may be tantamount to voter intimidation in some people’s minds. Are you choosing to use Dominion’s machines specifically because you know people are afraid to criticize the results for fear of a lawsuit, and you want to intimidate them into silence?

      Meanwhile, if Microsoft sued individuals and media outlets for criticizing the decision to award them the JEDI contract, that would not only be disgraceful but also would violate the First Amendment–regardless of whether the stories were technically accurate.

      https://www.npr.org/2021/07/06/1013420036/pentagon-scraps-10-billion-contract-with-microsoft-bitterly-contested-by-amazon

      Because the accuracy of speech is a legitimate defense against defamation doesn’t mean speech needs to be accurate in order to be protected by the First Amendment.

      “Joe Biden is a crook!” is a protected statement–regardless of whether he’s never been convicted of a crime, and if you don’t want to open yourself up to that level of criticism, don’t become a contractor of the government.

      1. I’ve said many times I think all voting software should be open source. As a “Jefftist”, as someone called me, I’ll point out that chemjeff has said the same thing many times.

        1. there is no reason that tabulating software needs to be so complicated that it needs to be protected from others. there is only one reason for complication and that is to hide the cheating. why not open source what are people afraid of.

          1. Politicians should definitely prefer open source software in voting machines.

            How can the way our votes are tabulated not be a constant legitimate concern in a democracy?

            IBM paid $34 billion for Red Hat. I’d bet there are enterprising Fedora developers on this already.

            1. In their complaint against Fox, Dominion said specifically that their source code is open to third party review. That means defense can demand expert review of the source code. Everything is discoverable here. You did not read it did you. Obviously not since you do not know that the plaintiffs are US corporations. Open source software makes it no longer proprietary it also makes it far less secure.

          2. “there is only one reason for complication and that is to hide the cheating”

            Not so. Making the source closed allows a company to sell it.

      2. Your defense that a contractor is not able legally to sue against tort damages caused by non government entities is a fantasy. Not even defense lawyers are using it. You do not give up civil rights by accepting a government contract.

        They may argue as they have that their clients are protected by free speech. The plaintiffs will need to prove in court that they are not in this case. They need to show the difference between knowingly disseminating information known to be false and opinion or conjecture.

        No libertarian would argue that Dominion does not deserve their day in court nor that the defense does not deserve one.

    4. Yes Ken we know, the janitor working for the cleaning company to clean the halls of Congress should have his rights taken away because he is an employee of a contractor for the government.

      Your position is so obviously problematic and unprincipled that it can only have come from motivated reasoning, i.e., you don’t think Dominion should have the power to sue your right-wing heroes so you are going to rationalize a way by which that sounds like a principled argument.

      Defamation is a violation of the NAP insofar as it is a type of fraud. It deprives the victim of his/her intangible property rights associated with the victim’s reputation, to the extent that it is monetizable. Ken wants to legalize fraud if it means his heroes are saved from their defamatory behavior. Typical.

    1. SleepyJoe is mentally ill.

    2. Does it even matter anymore? America zoomed past the “totally fucked” point a while back.

  37. Children “are being transformed into a political talisman for the right.”

    But conservatives lag far behind nanny staters, who are now angry. “We invented the meme, and the phrase ‘If it saves just one child’. How dare those Nazis steal our rhetoric!”

    1. The party that we’ve demonized as trying to keep women barefoot and pregnant since the 60s stole our pro-childre rhetoric! No fair!

  38. “Mistaken data.” Uh-huh. How many times can the error be in the same direction before the more likely scenario is intent?

    This has been a comms clusterfuck from the start, and that has to be intentional. It is not possible for that many people to be that incandescently stupid.

    1. .. incandescently stupid.
      Beautiful.

    2. It is entirely possible for a group of people to be this incandescently stupid.

      1. when a person or people are wrong that often, it starts to look like a habit more than an accident. The CDC had to backtrack numbers on Florida, too, and there are numerous instances of messaging more aimed at causing chaos and confusion than in informing.

  39. Chickenpox, caused by the varicella-zoster virus, is one of the most contagious diseases we know of. “If one person has it, up to 90% of the people close to that person who are not immune will also become infected,”

    Back in the 70s people would have pox parties for kids, just to get it over with. Yet when I suggest shingles mixers, people think I’m nuts.

    1. and no one ever saw chickenpox as an existential threat. The infected recovered and moved on.

      1. >>moved on

        missed Halloween 1975 and still mad.

        1. I missed one for strep throat. The world owes me.

          1. scenes of me watching the super-8 film over & over again of the Halloween I missed will be central to the story of my snapping and burning down Hershey Park or something (this was a joke, Preet)

    2. Yet when I suggest shingles mixers, people think I’m nuts.

      You’re advertising the wrong product to the wrong crowd. Hold an HIV and COVID party in a quaint little village in Cape Cod, I bet you’d get thousands of people to show up.

    3. Immunity ONLY comes from vaccination. Exposure doesn’t get anything “over with”.

    4. “Yet when I suggest shingles mixers, people think I’m nuts.”

      Well, that’s because it is nuts.

      Yes shingles is re-activated herpes zoster virus that had been hiding out in the genes of your nervous tissues. And any such flare is indeed shedding active virus.

      But being exposed to the virus will not trigger a shingles outbreak in another individual. In anyone who is naive to the virus it will cause primary chickenpox (which for an adult is not a good thing*.) In anyone who has already had chickenpox their immune system will prevent another primary infection.

      *That’s why parents had the parties, to ensure the kids got it when they were young and better able to manage the illness and also at a time of the parent’s choosing. Nobody had chickenpox parties the week before Christmas.

      1. Well, that’s because it is nuts.

        Dude. As if it wasn’t hard enough to score with a line like “Hey baby, wanna catch herpes?” you’ve gotta come in and be a goddamned cockblock! Find your fucking wings and talk about the time you and a girl caught chickenpox together and she thought the way you put lotion on and scratched your sores together, in sickness and in health, was the most romantic thing ever.

      2. WHOOOOSH

      3. Go away Thomas. This is not the place for you.

  40. {Drumming fingers} Sooo… Trumpian poo eaters. It’s August. Where’s our motherfuckin’ reinstatement?

    1. It happened, but the lamestream media is covering it up.

    2. Pay your mortgage.

      1. At 50 cents a post that’s gonna take a while.

        1. He made $40.25 blowing sailors at the docks. Someone asked him, “Forty twenty-five? Who gave you the quarter?”
          He replied, “Each of them did.”

    3. Thanks for providing another example of what I mean when I advance the counterintuitive notion that modern American “socialism” is, in practice, a pro-billionaire ideology.

      Just look where we are: Democrats have total control in Washington. The 10 richest Americans have gained a combined $217 billion since they took over. And the only Reason commenter with “Socia1ist” in his name focuses his criticism on ………. Drumpf!

      On behalf of Charles Koch, I sincerely thank you for your service.

      1. 21st century progs:
        “Treating people differently based solely on their race is anti-racist”
        “A female penis and a pregnant man”
        “Religion is hate-filled, violent nonsense, except for Islam”
        “Socialism is about enriching billionaire oligarchs and a new aristocracy”

      2. $217B? Wasn’t it $230B last week?

        Uh oh. The Biden boom is over. Maybe they did reinstate drumpf?

    4. I was going to ask when Trump’s going to jail, now that he’s no longer president and can be charged of crimes?

      1. I thought that was going to happen to Hitlery, but— alas— it appears she’s alive and well and even appears to go outside in public to adoring people brainwashed sycophants. That must trouble guys like you terribly. Too bad.

        1. Hey, commie-shit! Pay your mortgage first, and then fuck off and die.

      2. Sometime following the fifth impeachment hearings. They will be like covid booster shots – once every few months.

    5. Soo, commie-shit. It’s August. Pay your mortgage yet?

    1. It’s great to be a part of the new aristocracy.

  41. >>Another CDC data flub distorts delta variant contagiousness.

    and I’m the stupid one lol.

  42. >> Reason has received 15 nominations for the 2021 Southern California Journalism Awards.

    payola! (seriously though, cheers)

    1. Given the state of American journalism they should actually feel ashamed.

      1. This says more about the shoddy state of the media more than anything else.

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  44. HAHAHAHA
    Oh, you can’t make this shit up.

    MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell fled the stage at his cyber symposium at the same time news broke that Dominion’s billion-dollar defamation lawsuit against him would proceed

    https://news.yahoo.com/pillow-ceo-mike-lindell-fled-071620082.html

    This was the same guy just yesterday who said he was going to stay on stage for 72 straight hours. What a joke.

    1. Oh, you can’t make this shit up.
      Mike Lindell fled the stage

      You just did. Contrary to your agitprop article he was back on stage 12 minutes later. He probably went to use the can.

      You’re so shit at this, Jeff. If I was your boss at the fifty-cent factory I’d can your ass for being lazy when demagoging.

    2. Why do we care so much what pillow ceos think?

      1. Because a scarily large number of people in our country are believing a big lie about the 2020 Presidential election having been stolen, and this buffoon is one of the major sources of the lies.

        1. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

          The election is the Big Lie!

          You want proof? Trump lost! That’s proof!

          He only lost because the election was rigged! There is no other possible explanation!

          You’re sucking Democrat media cock by accepting the election!

          Trump won! He won! He had to have won! I know he won! There’s no way he lost!

          So the election is the Big Lie!!!

          1. Did you know Trump got _more_ votes than he did in 2016?! It quite logically follows that Biden could not have possibly gotten even more votes than Trump.

            1. Two TDS-addled pieces of lefty shit in a circle-jerk!

            2. I so don’t care anymore. I only show up to watch the trolls and clowns duke it out, while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is a circus.

              1. Yes, we know. That’s the only reason you’ve ever posted here. Thanks for finally admitting it.

              2. So you’re trolling then.

            3. After 150 years of continual and predictable decline, a senile 78 year old aided by one of the most unpopular VP pick’s ever, campaigned from his basement and oversaw the biggest voter percentage increase ever.

              At 4 am on the dot, after many hours of Trump leading everywhere, Biden suddenly received the most votes of any candidate in American history.

              At his empty inauguration he was surrounded by razor wire and 20,000 troops. But if you question it you’re a traitor and an iNsuRRectioniST.

        2. “Because a scarily large number of people in our country are believing a big lie about the 2020 Presidential election having been stolen, and this buffoon is one of the major sources of the lies.”

          Unlike the lies you perpetrated regarding the January protest and the lies perpetrated by TDS-addled assholes like you regarding the 2016 election, right?
          Fuck off and die, and please take the other TDS-addled assholes sarc and jeff with you.

        3. he’s free to say whatever the fuck he wants. don’t listen. America.

      2. He likes to bite pillows.

        1. I had a girlfriend like that. Crazy eyes. Don’t stick it in crazy they say. But she… never mind.

          1. You had a GF? She must have been crazy to deal with a TDSS-addled asshole like you.

            1. How old are you?

            2. Seriously. How the fuck old are you?

              Sevo: “HURR DURR YOU NEVER HAD A GIRLFRIEND HURRR DURR”

              Really?

              1. sarcasmic
                August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm

                I so don’t care anymore. I only show up to watch the trolls and clowns duke it out, while tossing in this or that provocation.

                Annnnd just like that sarc’s back to his hypocrisy.

                1. Lol, 3 minutes. Lasted 3 minutes.

                  1. Which seems to be a pattern with sarc, according to his ex-wife.

      3. Because leftists like their political enemies to be silenced and prosecuted.

    3. Today he is claiming he was attacked last night at his hotel, and claims a symposium attendee had his house raided:

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mike-lindell-attacked-hotel-symposium-b1901558.html

      So, is he pulling a Jussie Smollett? Even if he was really attacked, what happened to his boast that he wouldn’t leave the stage for 72 hours?

      Even if it is true, as Mother’s Lament claims without any citation, that Pillow Guy left the stage for only 12 minutes yesterday, again what happened to his boast that he wouldn’t leave the stage for 72 hours?

      In other news articles they are saying he is claiming antifa attacked him and are trying to infiltrate his symposium.

      1. What happened to SleepyJoe’s claim he would shut down the virus?

      2. Well here’s a surprise, I could’ve sworn White Mike was bragging that he blocked me, and now all of a sudden he’s quoting me. Did you spy on my comment when doing battle under one of your other sockpuppets, Mike?

        Anyway, time to expose White Mike as a DNC party shill, yet again.

        Here’s what Linddel actually said, that gave White Mike and chemleft the vapors:

        “So we’re not going on a break. Put up that movie again. Run that movie again. There’s no breaks,” he huffed. “We’re streaming 72 hours! Live-streaming, around the world. This never stops!”
        https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mypillow-guy-frantically-vows-stay-193743909.html

        That’s fucking it. Not “I’m staying on stage for 72 hours”, at all. This is demagoguery in it’s purest form.
        Seriously, how can you two dishonest fucks stand yourselves?

  45. Apparently, the federal agency charged with disseminating COVID-19 data and setting public health policy is taking its cues from a newspaper infographic. Oh my.

    Oh my, indeed. There’s something to be said about the circular nature of the media and our government here, but I’ll let smarter people say it.

    1. So… not Reason.

  46. “Oregon Gov. Kate Brown privately signed a bill last month ending the requirement for high school students to prove proficiency in reading, writing, and arithmetic before graduation,” reports Yahoo News.

    WHY DO DEMOCRATS KEEP PLAYING INTO REPUBLICAN HANDS BY PRETENDING TO BE CHARICATURES OF REPUBLICAN FEVER DREAMS?!!

    1. It’s like they hate critical thinking and accountability so much that they’re determined to do the opposite.

  47. Principal Sharyn Briscoe of Mary Lin Elementary School segregated classes by race. No one noticed.

    An Atlanta elementary school principal segregated its students based on race and one mom isn’t having it.

    Kila Posey filed a discrimination complaint with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights after claiming Principal Sharyn Briscoe of Mary Lin Elementary School put a segregation policy in place. Apparently, she thought it was best for all students.

    Posey told local WSB-TV, “We’ve lost sleep trying to figure out why would a person do this.” She and her attorney, Sharese Shields, believe the segregation policy is a violation of federal law.

    “Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 says that you cannot treat one group of people differently based upon race, and that is what is going on at Mary Lin,” Shields said.

    The mother protested the policy last year when she found out the school would be putting Black students into two different classrooms with two different teachers and white students into six classrooms with six different teachers.

    […]

    She and an assistant principal spoke about the policy on a recorded call. The administrator confirmed classroom segregation was Briscoe’s idea.

    “I just wish we had more Black kids, and then some of them are in a class because of the services that they need,” the administrator said.

    The Atlanta Public School District told WSB-TV in a statement, “Atlanta Public Schools does not condone the assigning of students to classrooms based on race. The district conducted a review of the allegations. Appropriate actions were taken to address the issue and the matter was closed.”

    1. Kila Posey filed a discrimination complaint with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights after claiming Principal Sharyn Briscoe of Mary Lin Elementary School put a segregation policy in place. Apparently, she thought it was best for all students.

      If John C. Calhoun and George Wallace saw that the best way to get broad public approval for slavery and segregation would be to incorporate a 50-year campaign in academia and the media of “blame whitey for everything,” they could hardly have been more impressed by the intellectual gymnastics than I am.

      1. How long did this program go on?

        Am I wrong to wonder by just how much the White students’ test scores went up after the program was instituted?

        1. White students or keep-*them*-out-of-Yale “White” students?

      2. The last time this happened, the feds sent in the National Guard.

      3. And think about the implications of this:

        Sharyn Briscoe, in room full of staffers during meeting: I have an idea, let’s segregate the students by race.

        Staff: *looks around approvingly* (in unison) Great idea… great idea, Sharyn. *begin to furiously take notes*

        Briscoe: *looking at assistant* Can you send a memo to all the teachers to forward a list of all their black students and white students so we can create the new class and teacher assignments?

        Assistant: Right away.

        2nd meeting with teaching staff.

        Briscoe: We are starting a new Racial Justice curriculum, and we’ll be segregating the students by race.

        Teachers: *looking around approvingly* Great idea.

        Briscoe: You’ll be receiving your new classroom assignments in the next week after some logistics have been worked out.

        Third meeting:

        Brisco: Ok, we’ve identified all the students of color, and all the white students and have assigned them to appropriate teachers, notify the students of their new classroom assignments for Monday.

        Staff: *in unison* excellent, great, *furiously taking notes*

        *Monday afternoon*

        Kila Posey: How was school today?

        Little Posey: Fine… got a new classroom assignment and teacher today.

        Kila: Oh? What happened to Mrs. Fitzsimmons?

        Little Posey: She’s teaching the white kids. Mrs. Dupree is teaching the black kids.

        Kila Posey: *spits drink all over table*

        1. I’m REALLY curious as to the performance assessment scores of the teachers that were assigned the white kids. I highly suspect they’re the worst ones in the school.

          1. Imagine if they were the best ones in the school.

        2. Little Posey: Fine… got a new classroom assignment and teacher today.

          Kila: Oh? What happened to Mrs. Fitzsimmons?

          Little Posey: She’s teaching the white kids. Mrs. Dupree is teaching the black kids.

          Kila Posey: *spits drink all over table*

          Not as good as the version where, because Little Posey is blind to race, it slowly dawns on Kila as she figures out that Ashley, Kayley, Mackenzie, Katelyn, Katheryn, Paisley, Peyton, Hunter, Kirstin, and Brittany are all in the other class while Shanice, Aliyah, Nia, Tiara, Jasmine, Deshawn, and Darnell are in class with Little Posey.

    2. If segregating students in classes is so bad, what about the self-segregation that happens at lunch?

      Shouldn’t someone be going through the cafeteria forcing kids of different races to mingle?

      1. Like that is anywhere near the same.

    3. It sounds awful, but I wonder if the reporting is repeating the parent’s story too uncritically. This story says the Atlanta school board investigators, addressed the situation, but the parent is still dissatisfied:

      https://meaww.com/who-is-sharyn-briscoe-black-school-principal-condemned-for-segregating-classes-by-race

      1. So does the story I linked, quoted above:

        The Atlanta Public School District told WSB-TV in a statement, “Atlanta Public Schools does not condone the assigning of students to classrooms based on race. The district conducted a review of the allegations. Appropriate actions were taken to address the issue and the matter was closed.”

        I too, would still be unsatisfied. How did a racist policy that would make Stormfront blush get by so many officials without an objection? Simply undoing the policy isn’t enough. Simply quietly addressing the problem, and leaving the racists in place is not good enough. They should be fired and never be allowed to work in government again. Ever. And they should be named, publicly. Every official that took part in this, rubber stamped it and went along.

        1. Mike’s more than happy with it. TDS-addled pieces of lefty shit aren’t real smart.

        2. Dee didn’t actually read your link, she just scurried to Google to try and find a different article so she could squawk at you.

        3. How did a racist policy that would make Stormfront blush get by so many officials without an objection?

          Getting more insidious/conspiratorial, without the parents knowing. It’s incredible that there were zero objections from any part of the staff. It’s completely credulous that concerns were voiced and those concerns were quietly addressed internally so that the parents don’t find out.

        4. Agreed, but this is something that happened in some school in Atlanta that we are reading about. It’s possible the mother’s version of the story isn’t what actually happened

          1. The school hasn’t denied it. In fact, they’ve essentially confirmed it by saying that they have addressed it. If it wasn’t what was claimed, what was the ‘it’ they addressed?

            1. We don’t know what the school board’s version of the “it’” they found because the school board isn’t telling their version.

              The mother is still complaining, but it seems implausible the school board found literal racial segregation and just left the arrangement intact.

              But who knows. Maybe the mother’s description of what is going on at the school is dead accurate.

              1. White Mike sure is a racist, totalitarian nitwit.

    1. That has to be one of the best strawman takedowns I’ve ever seen.

      1. People are saying all the time it’s the deadliest virus in history, you just missed it. We’ll, actually, nobody has said that.

        1. No one said they said it. They merely act like it. Our policies by definition are acting like it’s worse than the Spanish flu.

        2. “…We’ll, actually, nobody has said that.,,”

          TDS-addled piece of lefty shit seems to have forgotten his posts as White Knight and JFree’s PANIC rants.

          1. In his defense he was hammered

        3. FYI

          Fauci: COVID-19 Worst Pandemic in 100 Years

          Other links:

          Coronavirus crisis is now 2nd-worst pandemic in US history

          1. And with Fauci’s comment, he remains a sneaky little bitch. “Word Pandemic in 100 years.” Ok, technically correct is the best kind of correct. Spanish flu happened 2018… so his statement runs RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT up to the edge. Perhaps he might have said “worst pandemic SINCE the Spanish Flu”, but I suspect Fauci, being Fauci, doesn’t want to make his statement so clear. He want people to wonder if he literally means exactly 100 years to the date at which Fauci uttered the statement… in the time zone he said it… adjusted for daylight savings time.

            1. “Happy Birthday, Dr. Fauci”.

              “Well, I wasn’t born until 3pm so it’s not my birthday yet…”

          2. Fauci worst doctor since Mengele.

            1. Mengele, monster as he was, probably produced some valuable research.

              1. Morals and qualms only hinder the pursuit of knowledge.

              2. +1 Pernkopf Topographic Anatomy of Man.

          3. https://www.idse.net/Covid-19/Article/08-21/MDs-Spreading-COVID-Vaccine-Misinformation-Risk-Losing-Medical-Licenses/64365
            From your link
            MDs Spreading COVID Vaccine Misinformation Risk Losing Medical Licenses

        4. Amazing how they have to scramble to erect straw men to topple.

          1. Right? Nothing says scrambling for strawmen like quoting Dr Fauci saying the same thing.

        5. Be a shame if white Mike were beaten to death.
          Yep, real shame…

    2. beautiful.

    3. Sorry but Bob Saget’s “I know my daughter looks exactly like me with a wig… you can stop sending me this shit.” post is 100X funnier.

  48. The New York Times: When Actual Data Is Too Much Trouble

    1. The CDC, when actual data is too much trouble.

      1. The Center for Dataless Comments

  49. The CDC is best ignored since they are failed Federal Agency

  50. honestly not understanding which side of the elimination of standards or federally funded community college you are coming down on with this comment.

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