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Reason Roundup

California Law Would Limit Free Speech at Vaccination Sites 

Plus: Wiretapping social media, Democrats' budget proposal, cryptocurrency regulations, the infrastructure bill, and more.. 

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 8.10.2021 9:35 AM

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A new bill in California would limit free speech in the vicinity of COVID-19 vaccination sites. Violators could be punished by six months in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.

The measure (SB 742) would make it a crime to "approach within 30 feet of any person while a person is making the approach within 100 feet of the entrance of a vaccination site and is seeking to enter or exit a vaccination site, or any occupied motor vehicle seeking entry or exit, for the purpose of obstructing, injuring, harassing, intimidating, or interfering with that person or vehicle occupant in connection with any vaccination services." But prohibited actions here wouldn't just be what we think of typically as harassment or intimidation; they would also include "the nonconsensual and knowing approach within 30 feet of another person or occupied vehicle for the purpose of passing a leaflet or handbill, displaying a sign to, or engaging in oral protest, education, or counseling with that other person in a public way or on a sidewalk area."

That means protesters and pamphleteers would be required to have the express permission of everyone they encountered around the vaccination site or else be in violation of the law.

This is "clearly unconstitutional," opines legal scholar and blogger Eugene Volokh at The Volokh Conspiracy. "The First Amendment protects speech on public sidewalks, including offering leaflets, displaying signs, or conveying oral messages to people who haven't 'consen[ted]' (whether because they haven't thought about the matter, or even if they affirmatively don't want to see the sign or hear the message)."

The Supreme Court has allowed a Colorado law banning "'knowingly approach[ing]' within eight feet of another person [near a medical facility], without that person's consent, 'for the purpose of passing a leaflet or handbill to, displaying a sign to, or engaging in oral protest, education, or counseling with such other person.'"

But this ban was much shorter in distance—8 feet, versus the 30 feet proposed in the California bill—and in its 2000 decision, the Court specifically contrasted this to a 15-foot anti-speech zone it struck down in a 1997 case (Schenck v. Pro-Choice Network). More recently, in the 2014 case McCullen v. Coakley, the Court struck down a 35-foot free speech buffer zone around abortion clinics.

The Colorado law was also content neutral—that is, it applied outside any type of medical facility, not just vaccination sites. "Such subject-matter restrictions are unconstitutional, see, e.g., Carey v. Brown (1981) (holding that a residential picketing ban that applied only to nonlabor picketing was unconstitutionally content-based); Reed v. Town of Gilbert (2015) (holding that a sign ordinance that treated political signs, ideological signs, and signs giving directions to certain events differently was unconstitutionally content-based)," notes Volokh.

In the past, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has gone to bat against these types of restrictions, but "the American Civil Liberties Union said it has no issues with it [SB 742] as written," California Healthline reported.

Kevin Baker, ACLU California Action's director of governmental relations, told Volokh: "Were we to write the law ourselves, we might draw a somewhat different line. But we feel pretty confident that the courts would uphold SB 742 based on the buffer zone/bubble case law largely drawn from the fairly analogous context of reproductive health services. To be clear, however, we are not supportin/g (sic) the bill—we are simply neutral."

The bill is on track to full passage soon, having already passed the California Senate 33–4 and cleared the Assembly's public safety committee.


FREE MINDS 

Judges are issuing warrants to wiretap social media accounts. A case in Maryland has been drawing attention to the issue after Harford County law enforcement got a warrant to wiretap a drug suspect's Facebook activity.

"It's common for investigators to get warrants to collect information stored within social media accounts," the Baltimore Sun points out, noting that law enforcement authorities in the state have been doing it since 2018. "But the Harford case, authorized by a Circuit Court judge in February 2020, was one of only nine social media or digital app wiretaps applied for by authorities in Maryland last year, according to data reported to the Maryland Judiciary."

The tactic shouldn't necessarily raise alarms. "I think there's a reality that when you have a system that allows for users to create content to message others, it will be a valuable source of investigative leads for law enforcement," Aaron Mackey, a senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told the Sun. "What this sounds like to me is use of existing law to access communications….It is perhaps novel that they have deployed it in this particular context, and law enforcement is realizing that they have this capability."

And strong encryption can still keep government snoops away, the Sun adds:

What's available to investigators depends on whether the communications are end-to-end encrypted. Experts say authorities — despite attempts to force companies to allow them to do so — cannot listen in over encrypted phone calls using the wiretap warrant, while other messaging services carry an option of encryption that exposes the communications if not enabled.

While Facebook and Instagram services are not encrypted by default, users can enable that feature manually each time they begin a new message thread. Other popular apps and devices, such as WhatsApp and iPhone's FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted by default, making it impossible for law enforcement officials to listen in.


FREE MARKETS 

Take a peek inside Democrats' $3.5 trillion budget plan. Among its many planks, the proposed budget would make permanent the pandemic's child tax credit and establish a number of new programs and federal benefits. These include:

  • The first Civilian Climate Corps
  • "Universal Pre-K for 3 and 4 year olds and a new child care benefit for working families"
  • Two years of subsidized community college tuition
  • A federal paid family leave and medical leave benefit
  • Dental, vision, and hearing benefits for Medicare recipients
  • "A new federal health program for Americans in the 'Medicaid gap'"

More topline spending details here.


FOLLOWUP

Infrastructure bill headed to Senate passage today (with crypto regulations intact). An amendment on cryptocurrency regulations did not make it into the final version of the infrastructure bill, which the Senate is expected to vote on this morning.

https://twitter.com/jerrybrito/status/1424832132204138503

"We're going to do a lot of damage. Who knows how much innovation we're going to stifle…It's not good, and it's going to bring us back here to clean up a mess that we could have prevented," Sen. Pat Toomey (R–Penn.) said. Toomey was one of three senators—along with Ron Wyden (D–Ore.) and Cynthia Lummis (R–Wyo.)—who had proposed an amendment to the bill in order to safeguard cryptocurrency miners, developers, and others.

I, along with bipartisan Blockchain Caucus co-chairs @RepDarrenSoto, @RepDavid, and @RepBillFoster sent a letter to every single Representative in the House raising concerns about the Senate infrastructure bill being paid for by our crypto industry. pic.twitter.com/MzsEmBbosr

— Tom Emmer (@GOPMajorityWhip) August 9, 2021

More on how the "crypto crackdown plot blew up the infrastructure bill" here. Reason's Eric Boehm has more on the full infrastructure package here.


QUICK HITS

Fascinating thread about how junk aggregator/clickbait sites inserted a fake detail (an orphaned baby) into this story https://t.co/XuhVhcs3cw

— David Weigel (@daveweigel) August 9, 2021

• A beautiful rant about the Food and Drug Administration and how it puts Americans at risk.

• Large school districts in Florida and Texas are rejecting their state's law against mask mandates.

• "When New York decided to stop cracking down on sex workers, it maintained harsh policing of sex workers' customers," notes the Cato Institute. Kaytlin Bailey of The Old Pro Project explains on the Cato Daily podcast why full decriminalization should be the path forward.

• U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has modernized its policy on assisted reproduction. Now, babies born outside the U.S. with the help of technologies like in vitro fertilization will no long be considered by USCIS to be born "out of wedlock," thereby allowing "a non-genetic, non-gestational legal parent of a child to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child if the parent is married to the child's genetic or gestational parent at the time of the child's birth, and the relevant jurisdiction recognizes both parents as the child's legal parents," the agency announced.

• An investigation from the nonprofit White Coat Waste Project (WCW) shines light on experimentation on animals. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) "directed $424,455 to researchers at the University of Georgia in September 2020 to infect dozens of beagles with disease-causing parasites in order to test an experimental drug on them," the Daily Caller reports on what White Coat Waste uncovered. "The task order states that the beagles are to be euthanized 196 days after the start of the study."

• The latest data from the Department of Labor turned up 10.1 million open jobs at the end of June.

• Statistician Nate Silver breaks down the latest U.S. data on COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. "Lately I've seen people ask why the US numbers don't look more like the UK, which had a surge in cases recently but comparatively few deaths. But US states that have vaccination rates ~similar to the UK actually have fewer deaths than the UK, though the numbers lag & may rise," he points out.

Over the past week, the 10 least vaccinated states are averaging 3.0x per cases per capita than the 10 most vaccinated states, 4.3x more hospitalizations per capita, and 6.5x more deaths per capita.https://t.co/i8ElZQJZ5p

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) August 9, 2021

• Mississippi health authorities say there are no intensive care unit beds left in the state as new coronavirus cases overwhelm hospitals.

• The infrastructure package will fuel inflation, warns Stephan Miran at The Wall Street Journal. "While infrastructure, in the long term, will enhance the supply side of the economy and help keep inflation low, its effects in the short term will likely be the exact opposite. A recent working paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research reviewed the evidence of infrastructure investment's short-term negative effects on the economy and found little sign of stimulus effects."

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The measure (SB 742) would make it a crime to "approach within 30 feet of any person while a person is making the approach within 100 feet of the entrance of a vaccination site and is seeking to enter or exit a vaccination site...

    No interference when they're just trying to vote Democrat in peace.

    1. Kungpowderfinger   4 years ago

      Kevin Baker, ACLU California Action's director of governmental relations, told Volokh: "Were we to write the law ourselves, we might draw a somewhat different line. But we feel pretty confident that the courts would uphold SB 742 based on the buffer zone/bubble case law largely drawn from the fairly analogous context of reproductive health services. To be clear, however, we are not supportin/g (sic) the bill—we are simply neutral."

      To be clear, the ACLU doesn’t support free speech

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        Yeah, nice to see the ASCLU is in full effect.

        The Some Civil Liberties Union.

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      2. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Tacit approval is still a form of approval. Not attacking a bill completely against what you claim to stand for is just as bad as supporting it.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          "What!? That was an attack on civil liberties? Oh man, we totally missed that. Oh well, too late now.

          1. Nardz   4 years ago

            I wonder if we'll see even that much from Reason at some point regarding the January 6th political prisoners

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

              Their tacit approval is pretty obvious at this point.

            2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

              Only when they get the OK from WaPo and NYT.

      3. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

        "the American Civil Liberties Union said it has no issues with it [SB 742] as written,"

        The ACLU has chosen its sides in all matters of society and culture, and some things are just more important than liberties.

    2. Eeyore   4 years ago

      Maybe it is time for them to simplify the law and just make it illegal to speak anywhere you are not allowed to smoke.

    3. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

      I wonder how the people who are against such activities at abortion clinics will respond. My guess is they'll support it without so much as a wink at the inconsistency.

      1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Wait, what? Liberals/progressives would tend to be against pamphleting at abortion clinics or at vaccination clinics, so there wouldn’t be any inconsistency. And conservatives would tend to be consistent about allowing pamphleting in either scenario, so again no inconsistency.

        So, what political camp are you referring to?

        1. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

          LOL you're right. I'm not sure what I was thinking...it's been one of those mornings.

          1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            Understood. Some mornings there isn’t enough coffee in the world.

    4. Dillinger   4 years ago

      >>within 30 feet of any person while a person is making the approach within 100 feet

      how many fucking yardsticks are we supposed to carry around?

  2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

    Barack Obama Has Been One of the Worst Ex-Presidents Ever
    BY
    LIZA FEATHERSTONE
    Since his retirement from politics, Barack Obama has displayed an astonishing lack of regard for the public good. Instead of serving his fellow human beings, he has mainly devoted himself to a rigorous program of conspicuous self-celebration.

    He’s distinguished himself as an enemy of labor and friend of racist cops. NBA players began to go on strike last August after Jacob Blake, a black man, was shot by police seven times in front of his kids, in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Amid a national uprising over the shooting and many other acts of racist police brutality, Obama called LeBron James and players’ union leader Chris Paul and urged them to get back on the court and finish the playoffs, which they did.

    Obama was also instrumental in shutting down Bernie Sanders’s bid for the presidency, a huge setback to the movement for social democracy in the United States. When Sanders was leading in the primaries, Obama worked to organize the other rival candidates to drop out and back Biden, making it impossible for Sanders to win. He then persuaded the democratic socialist senator to drop out of the race.

    https://jacobinmag.com/2021/08/barack-obama-worst-ex-president-wealth-birthday-covid-public-interest

    The legend is building.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Even the communists at Jacobin are finally catching on that the Davos Crowd and their political flagship are trying to resurrect the second estate.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

        Obama/Biden have always been hostile to the far left. Obama even compared Liz Warren to Sarah Palin in stupidity.

        Yet somehow Ken Shulz keeps making shit up about how Bernie Sanders/AOC "really run" the Democratic Party. I know Ken is a solid Team Red player which means he HAS to make shit up but that one is a knee-slapper.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          Go to prison.

        2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          Neither Bernie nor AOC are old left. Bernie and AOC are the Party's youth wing leaders. Their job is to shake their fists at the old fuddy-duddies in-charge and say "enough". "We demand change (which just happens to coincide with your 3rd-way social engineering)".
          It's all theater.

        3. JesseAz   4 years ago

          You still believe buden is acting as a moderate. Your kinship in pedophilia is making you blind.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            And giving him hairy palms to boot.

          2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

            You're as eat up with QAnon shit as that Pillow-guy nutcase is.

            1. chemleft radical retard   4 years ago

              This is just deepfake, right?
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XqF4wA-dco

        4. Sevo   4 years ago

          turd lies. It's what turd does. turd does not post without lying. If turd uses numbers, they are either outright lies or fudged such as to make them worthless.
          turd lies; turd is a psychopathic liar and too stupid besides to even understand that he's lying.

        5. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          To be fair, Ken hasn’t pushed the OAC/Bernie-pull-the-strings narrative lately. He might bring it back for the reconciliation bill.

        6. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

          Yeah, Biden has toats been super-hostile to the far left.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

            No, he politely ignores them and is openly hostile to their ideas (Medicare For All, GND)

        7. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

          What! Not invited to Obama's unmasquerade party? The worm turns.

    2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      "He’s distinguished himself as an enemy of labor"

      LOL — The 1980s are calling. They want their economic policy back. Obama knows the modern Democratic Party exists to serve the rich. Good for him!

      "and friend of racist cops"

      This is indeed troubling. However at least Obama never did anything truly monstrous like putting Brown children in cages.

      #IMissObama

      1. CE   4 years ago

        First term Obama would be a Republican these days.

    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Lol. Jacobin. You aren't even hiding what team you're on anymore.

    4. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      No mention of the hedonistic maskless party on his $12 million dollar estate during a deadly pandemic?

      1. CE   4 years ago

        Setting a good example for life getting back to normal and ignoring ineffective ideas like mask mandates.

    5. Sevo   4 years ago

      turd lies. It's what turd does. turd does not post without lying. If turd uses numbers, they are either outright lies or fudged such as to make them worthless.
      turd lies; turd is a psychopathic liar and too stupid besides to even understand that he's lying.

    6. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      Well, he was one of the worst actual presidents ever, so he might as well stick with what he's good at.

    7. CE   4 years ago

      Sounds like good advice Obama gave LeBron and CP3. If they had protested again and shut down the season, NBA TV ratings would have been destroyed and Paul wouldn't have just signed a 4-year, 120 million dollar contract extension.

      It's a lot easier to fight for social justice when you have some money.

      1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

        CP doesn't have 4 years left in those legs.

  3. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/_BarringtonII/status/1424851581095264258?s=19

    “Boyle said… that suspending the reading, writing and math proficiency requirements will benefit "Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of colour."

    No Asian, White, or African mentioned.

    [Link]

    1. Zeb   4 years ago

      Benefit in what sense, I wonder? Do they think that getting a passing grade is more important than actually learning stuff, or what? Seems pretty racist.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        It's extremely racist

      2. mad.casual   4 years ago

        Do they think that getting a passing grade is more important than actually learning stuff, or what?

        Well, it's been true pretty much since the beginning that a college degree increases your earning potential by a million dollars or whatever and, more pertinently, that it's a lump sum at completion policy and not a $250K/yr. sort of increase.

        But, yeah, if she thinks that potential value of the diploma is going to remain that high after kids start showing up to jobs unable to read, write, and do math, she's mistaken.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          And as if employers won’t figure out the class of socially passed students is a class of potential hires they need to scrutinize.

      3. sarcasmic   4 years ago

        But if they fail then it will hurt their feelings. Better to pass them regardless of proficiency, that way their feelings won't get hurt.

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 years ago

      Three (3)! different latins though.

      Haha. JFC, what clowns. This is the dumbest time in history.

    3. Ben of Houston   4 years ago

      You know, I seem to remember not that long ago, one of the most harmful policies of inner city and minority schools was considered to be that they passed anyone. Even if they couldn't read, they could pass on up through the grades.

      Wait, not that long ago. LAST YEAR! Kids getting into high school and teachers actively forced to pass them despite being unable to read. What kind of service are we giving them?

      Do you think that you are being kind? If so, you're a moron. This is the kindness of negligence. Standardized tests were put into place to measure this, and we had to implement high stakes testing in order to stop the practice of just shoving students out the door without basic skills.

    4. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

      Does this mean he doesn't want Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of colour to be proficient in reading, writing and math?

  4. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    I think there's a reality that when you have a system that allows for users to create content to message others, it will be a valuable source of investigative leads for law enforcement...

    Obviously the Constitution's drug enforcement clauses kick in to negate any other privacy protection it might otherwise afford.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

      They're right under the virus and vacc clauses.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Take a peek inside Democrats' $3.5 trillion budget plan.

    LOL

  6. Nardz   4 years ago

    LOL
    He said this seriously...

    https://twitter.com/mjf_dfw/status/1425067373841850370?s=19

    Last I checked there isn’t a cheap, easy way to vaccinate yourself against obesity.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      Beans and rice. Park at the end of the lot. Take the stairs. Don’t use the complimentary Walmart scooter.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        Take smaller portions and stop eating before you're totally full...

      2. mad.casual   4 years ago

        He was gonna check the internet to make sure his assumptions were still correct but he left his phone all the way over there and that's just too much work.

      3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

        Eat real food, not too much, and mostly plants.

        1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

          And stay away from the GD sugar.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

      This tweet is unavailable.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        He must've gotten dunked on too hard

        1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

          What was the gist?

  7. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Among its many planks, the proposed budget would make permanent the pandemic's child tax credit...

    HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS TAX CUT?

    1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

      Is it a credit? I thought it was an advance on the deduction, which will probably bite some people in the ass come tax time.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        If you took the time to actually read things you wouldn't be so confused all the time.

        Not sure why you participate on political discussions when you openly state you are intellectually lazy.

        1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

          Sarc is right. It's an advance. People can opt out of it.

          "Important changes to the Child Tax Credit will help many families get advance payments of the credit starting this summer. The IRS will pay half the total credit amount in advance monthly payments beginning July 15. You will claim the other half when you file your 2021 income tax return. These changes apply to tax year 2021 only."

          https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/advance-child-tax-credit-payments-in-2021

          1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

            So JesseAz made a snide insult as usual?

            This is my surprised face....

          2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            "Sarc is right"

            There's a proposition that you don't hear too often, even from fifty-centing sockpuppets.

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            Sarc is right. It’s an advance. People can opt out of it.

            Sure, you an opt out, but they make it a pain in the ass to do so.

            Better to just hold it in a savings account in case you have to use any of it at tax time.

          4. sarcasmic   4 years ago

            Did JesseAz specify what I was wrong about, or was his comment about me instead of what I said? I'm sure it was the latter. The guy is obsessed.

            1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              Here's your attention, sarcasmic.
              Enjoy.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    We're going to do a lot of damage.

    ROTFLMAO

  9. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    Jeff Stein of the Washington Post (unintentionally?) describes OpenBordersLiberal-tarian's First Law.

    No $15/hour minimum wage hike in Dems’ budget plan, from what I can see. Has just entirely disappeared from the Washington policy debate after the parliamentarian’s non-binding opinion. Very, very hard to see how it would get done in Biden’s first 2 years … so, then: When?

    Democrats know their real base is Silicon Valley, Wall Street, multimillionaire entertainers, and billionaires. None of those groups would benefit from a minimum wage increase. Indeed, billionaire employers like Reason.com's benefactor Charles Koch would be hurt.

    #VoteDemocratToHelpTheRich

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Indeed, billionaire employers like Reason.com’s benefactor Charles Koch would be hurt.

      Which is why importing Guatemalans unencumbered by minimum wage laws is more important than ever, right?

      Open Borders Uber Alles.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        We need more brown bodies for the rich to exploit.

    2. CE   4 years ago

      They sure won't pass it after the midterms when they lose control of both Houses of Congress.

  10. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1425074668919209987?s=19

    NEW - Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and Michael Bloomberg team up to form a joint venture to drill for about $1.4 trillion worth of rare natural resources for electric car batteries on Greenland's pristine land.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      Green land indeed.

    2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      I don't trust those three farther than I can throw them, but good. Right now China controls to much of that.

      1. mad.casual   4 years ago

        So? For the last 110 yrs. we've driven cars and powered homes without the need for the specific rare resources.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          I want us to use both. Great batteries and internal combustion engines.

          1. mad.casual   4 years ago

            So? For the last 120 yrs. we've driven vehicles powered by diesel electric motors without the need for the specific rare resources. The resources in question are specifically required to create an all-electric motor pool and there's plenty of evidence to indicate that it's impossible to do so for the US, let alone the rest of N. America, S. America, Europe, Africa, and Asia.

    3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      Wait, what happened to Trump's plan to buy Greenland?

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        Gates outbid him.

    4. CE   4 years ago

      Hey, it's not their fault the ice sheets are gone and mining is easier now.

    5. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

      do we need to melt more of that ice/snow pack to make it easier?

  11. Roberta   4 years ago

    Am I the only one who thought "California Law Would Limit Free Speech at Vaccination Sites" would be about tattooing the part of the arms where the injections go?

    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Probably. 🙂

    2. Eeyore   4 years ago

      Seems like a valuable guide for the beginner intravenous addict.

  12. jcw   4 years ago

    So we have one side who doesn't respect the individual and will crush our country in debt, and we have the other side who doesn't respect free and fair elections and will crush our country in debt.

    Finally, the true libertarian moment.

    1. Nardz   4 years ago

      "Free and fair elections"

      LOL
      This is what gaslighting looks like.

      1. mad.casual   4 years ago

        They're so free and fair they're beyond scrutiny. Now, seriously, stop scrutinizing them.

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          Do not question your state betters.

        2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Free , fair and fortified!

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

        So where are the bags of fraudulent ballots? Where are the reprogrammed voting machines? Where is the tangible proof of MASSIVE FRAUD?

        All you have are paranoid concerns. All you have are "behavioral and statistical anomalies" as you mentioned in a previous post. That doesn't prove fraud. All that means was that this election was unusual in that it occurred in the middle of a pandemic with greatly expanded access to absentee and mail-in voting. OF COURSE this election is going to look "anomalous" compared to all of the others because no other election had been conducted under these particular set of circumstances before. It doesn't mean there was MASSIVE FRAUD.

        Show us the tangible fucking evidence of fraud or shut the fuck up.

        Your guy LOST to a doddering senile old man who ran a terrible campaign, because your guy is a terrible human being. Just own it.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          "So where are the bags of fraudulent ballots? Where are the reprogrammed voting machines? Where is the tangible proof of MASSIVE FRAUD?"

          All over the place. People have been pleading for investigations since election night, and team Blue has employed an army of lawyers to stop them.
          https://hereistheevidence.com/

          You're a fifty-centing shill, so you actually already know this, but nobody hires 100 lawyers to hide a legitimate election victory. Nobody has the DOJ interfere in a state ordered audit because they won fair and square.

          1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

            ML....It will all come out, eventually. It will take years. The people who acted wrongly will eventually be named, and the truth of what happened in several states in the 2020 election will come out.

            1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

              And no one will suffer any consequences.

              1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

                Yes. Nothing else will happen.

        2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          The ballots were printed on cheap bamboo-based Chinese paper, so they disintegrated.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            "I can't refute their replies, chemjeff. But I've got your back. Here's a funny little strawman I made."

        3. Nardz   4 years ago

          Look how desperate the fat fucking regime mouthpiece gets. "It totally looks like fraud, and was set up to make fraud as easy as possible, but that's just because this thing that they've been lying about for 18 months straight made everything different than normal!"
          - a month of full court press from media, which is documented as taking orders from the DNC, with articles about how Trump would be winning at the end of election day (though the margin was much bigger than predicted), except Biden would win because of mail in counts
          - "We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics"
          - 30m more votes than ever, a 25% increase from the previous high
          - pauses in vote reporting in swing states, using outright fabrications as excuses
          - expulsion and/or blocking of observers
          - video of boxes of ballots removed from concealment and counted after announcements that counting was stopped for the night
          - thousands of affidavits from people alleging first hand witnessing of suspicious, illegal behavior and/or fraud
          - massive inconsistencies between states like GA and PA with neighbors FL (and the rest of the southeast) and OH without legitimate explanation, when they should be somewhat similar
          - statistically impossible ratios for mail in ballots, with Biden often receiving 100% batches
          - lack of signature verification, destruction of evidence, attempts to block any and all attempts to examine results, censorship of people questioning results and procedures, and no understanding/explanation whatsoever by the winning party of how they won beyond "orangemanbad", despite it's inconsistency with human nature and previous elections (for example, Trump winning 18/19 "bellwether" counties and Rs winning 27/27 "toss up" house districts)

          No, all you have to respond with is:
          - "there's no evidence" (and attempts to block all search for evidence), then when evidence is presented you say "that's not real evidence"
          - "poll workers and government officials and media wouldn't lie" except they have, continuously, about the election, covid, Russia, racism, and numerous other events
          - "you're a conspiracy theorist", you may think it adequately dismissive, but the term has been applied to so much that has turned out to be accurate in the last 18 months (let alone the beginning of Trump's presidency with the Obama administration using the FBI and IC to attempt to frame Trump)

          You've got nothing beyond "trust me, bro" coming from sources which have repeatedly proven themselves the least trustworthy sources which exist, and requiring we reject all logic, personal observation, math, and precedent/history.

          1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

            -expulsion and/or blocking of observers
            – video of boxes of ballots removed from concealment and counted after announcements that counting was stopped for the night

            And literally over 99% of those ballots going to Biden.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

            There is so much nonsense here, it's hard to know where to start.

            – statistically impossible ratios for mail in ballots, with Biden often receiving 100% batches

            The two campaigns had different GOTV strategies. Trump encouraged his voters to vote in person on election day. Biden encouraged his voters to vote by mail. That is why the mail-in ballots were "statistically impossible" (not really). Given the different strategies of the two campaigns, there is no reason to expect statistically that mail-in ballots should be equally distributed among Trump voters and Biden voters.

            But if you believe this explanation is insufficient - SHOW US the batches of mail-in ballots that you believe are fraudulent, and demonstrate the fraud. You simply can't, because they weren't.

            – massive inconsistencies between states like GA and PA with neighbors FL (and the rest of the southeast) and OH without legitimate explanation, when they should be somewhat similar

            Why should they be similar? GA and PA were swing states. FL and OH less so. The two campaigns paid far more attention to GA and PA than they did to OH and FL. Your assumption that "they should be similar" is a faulty assumption for this reason.

            But again - if I'm wrong, then SHOW US the actual fraud that took place in GA and PA. Alluding to vague "inconsistencies" when there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for such inconsistencies is not good enough.

            – video of boxes of ballots removed from concealment and counted after announcements that counting was stopped for the night

            This has been debunked so many times. Here it is, once again:

            https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/georgia-election-officials-show-frame-by-frame-what-really-happened-fulton-surveillance-video/T5M3PYIBYFHFFOD3CIB2ULDVDE/

            Now, if you think this is a lie, then SHOW US why you think it is a lie, and your evidence for it. You cannot.

            – 30m more votes than ever, a 25% increase from the previous high

            Yes. There was a pandemic and mail-in voting was made much easier, therefore, more people participated. Again, a perfectly reasonable explanation that does not rely on an assumption of MASSIVE FRAUD. But again, if I'm wrong, SHOW US which of those 30 million ballots were fraudulent, and why you think they are. You cannot.

            – thousands of affidavits from people alleging first hand witnessing of suspicious, illegal behavior and/or fraud

            I read some of those affidavits. The ones that I read, relied on second-hand/third-hand information, hearsay, and projections of sinister behavior onto otherwise innocuous activity. But if I'm wrong, SHOW US the affidavit where the affiant observed direct unambiguous fraudulent behavior. You cannot because they didn't.

            No, all you have to respond with is:
            – “there’s no evidence” (and attempts to block all search for evidence), then when evidence is presented you say “that’s not real evidence”

            There is no evidence of MASSIVE FRAUD. All you have is conspiratorial thinking.

            – “poll workers and government officials and media wouldn’t lie” except they have, continuously, about the election, covid, Russia, racism, and numerous other events

            Oh they are perfectly capable of lying, just like any human being is. But claiming that they are, collectively, all lying about the election, just because some of them may have lied in the past about other things, is a logical fallacy. If you think they are lying ABOUT A SPECIFIC CLAIM, you have to demonstrate the specific lie.

            – “you’re a conspiracy theorist”, you may think it adequately dismissive, but the term has been applied to so much that has turned out to be accurate in the last 18 months (let alone the beginning of Trump’s presidency with the Obama administration using the FBI and IC to attempt to frame Trump)

            Fine, if you are going to go full nihilist and just imagine everyone is lying, then I have to ask, why do you accept so uncritically the claims of the affiants? Why do you accept uncritically what Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump say about the election? Why do you think THEY are telling the truth, and not, say, just engaging in sore loserism and grifting? Trump raised about $250 million for his post-election challenges. He has spent less than 10% of that. Where did all the money go? Hmm? Aren't you at all curious about that?

            1. Nardz   4 years ago

              "Trust the proven liars, not your lying eyes, bro."
              -collectivistjeff

              Now go fuck yourself you abject lying bitch.

              1. Nardz   4 years ago

                Dude's whole argument is that fraud is unfathomable, and that patterns of behavior and statistical consistency aren't indicative of reality.
                But no matter how hard collectivistjeff tries, 2+2=4, not 5.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                  Dude’s whole argument is that fraud is unfathomable,

                  Nope - fraud is perfectly fathomable and possible. But claims of fraud require PROOF, not hand-waving claims of "statistical anomalies" and "I just know they're lying".

                  and that patterns of behavior and statistical consistency aren’t indicative of reality.

                  No, they are absolutely indicative of reality. The challenge is how to interpret these patterns and these statistics. There are perfectly reasonable explanations for these patterns and these statistics that do not rely on assumptions of MASSIVE FRAUD. If you want to try to falsify these assumptions then go right ahead. But you cannot.

                  But no matter how hard collectivistjeff tries, 2+2=4, not 5.

                  Yup, 2+2=4 (in the base 10 number system). And 2+2=4 even if a Democrat says it is so.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                There we go. You can't offer a substantive rebuttal, only insults, fallacies, and conspiratorial thinking.

                You have no meaningful proof of any actual fraud. All you have are suspicions and nihilism.

                The question remains, though, Nardz: What did Trump et al. do with all the money?

                https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-rnc-raised-hundreds-millions-pushing-baseless-election/story?id=75633798

                But of the more than $280 million raised since after the election, the Trump campaign and the RNC -- which were the main forces behind Trump's post-election legal challenges -- reported spending only about $13 million on legal expenses, filings show.

                Here is the reality, Nardz:

                Trump's claims about a stolen election were a SHAM. It was a CON, a grift to get you to give him your money and enrich him at your expense. This is who Trump has always been. A liar projecting an image that is very different from reality. You have been conned yet you continue to do their bidding. Wake up and realize what has happened to you.

            2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

              https://news.yahoo.com/dominion-sues-newsmax-one-america-131640016.html

    2. CE   4 years ago

      If one side is planning to spend 6 trillion dollars and tax revenues are 5 trillion dollars, yes they will crush the country in debt.

      If the other side is planning to spend 12 trillion dollars and hike tax revenues to 6 trillion dollar dollars, guess which side is going to be crushing the country in debt even more?

      Getting hit by a 100-yard-diameter meteor is bad. Getting hit by 600-yard-diameter meteor is a lot worse.

      1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Electing people from a political party that undermines free and fair elections is also very bad.

        I for one, do not want to play the game of supporting either two piss-poor choices. Playing that game is for suckers.

  13. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1425078005802708998?s=19

    How bad are things? Things are so bad that a college dropout with no medical training whose best friend was Jeffrey Epstein is the single most powerful influencer of global health policy in the world.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Fascinating thread about how junk aggregator/clickbait sites inserted a fake detail (an orphaned baby) into this story ...

    I'm beginning to wonder if we can no longer trust journalism.

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      Too late to abort now.

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      This is going to put Fusion GPS out of business.

    3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      Fist, your mere suggestion of such is a threat to the First Amendment!

  15. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Large school districts in Florida and Texas are rejecting their state's law against mask mandates.

    Oh, heavens, which mandate to enforce?

  16. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    When New York decided to stop cracking down on sex workers, it maintained harsh policing of sex workers' customers...

    So the dealers get off scot-free???

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Somebody’s got to go to prison.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The task order states that the beagles are to be euthanized 196 days after the start of the study.

    SNOOPY!

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      Better to just give them infectious diseases, conduct your research, and then let them loose. Better still to just conduct zero medical research. Best to use the public to conduct your research.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The latest data from the Department of Labor turned up 10.1 million open jobs at the end of June.

    Booming Biden economy.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Jobs Americans won’t do.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Over the past week, the 10 least vaccinated states are averaging 3.0x per cases per capita than the 10 most vaccinated states, 4.3x more hospitalizations per capita, and 6.5x more deaths per capita.

    Can anything account for this outside of vaccination rates?

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      Can anything account for this outside of vaccination rates?

      Of the 64 people shot in Chicago this weekend, 100% were vaccinated. Including the orphaned baby who was also vaccinated the number rises to 102%.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

        They should have worn masks.

    2. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

      Shhhhhhhh! We can't talk about seasonality and the fact that the states seeing an increase over the summer were the same ones that saw one last year.

      But at this point we're only a couple months from the winter wave rolling over the whole country, and the NPI lovers will once again have to eat shit.

    3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      They also talk in relative terms because the raw numbers aren't scarry enough

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

        ^

  20. JesseAz   4 years ago

    DoJ prosecutors continue to hold exculpatory evidence, asking for another 60 days extension to turning over materials to defense lawyers.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/09/doj-tells-court-it-is-still-reviewing-potentially-exculpatory-evidence-in-capitol-riot-cases/

    They continue to keep people on pre trial detention with minimal access to lawyers and often in solitary.

    Those held include people who committed no violence nor detention.

    On the case above the person did not even enter the Capitol building.

    Amazing watching a libertarian magazine either defend this or ignore this.

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      From the DoJ brief.

      Although we are aware that we possess some information that the defense may view as supportive of arguments that law enforcement authorized defendants (including Defendant) to enter the restricted grounds, e.g., images of officers hugging or fist-bumping rioters, posing for photos with rioters, and moving bike racks, we are not in a position to state whether we have identified all such information.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        They have to be very careful, after all it was worse that 9-11.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          "worse that 9-11"

          The people who claimed that deserve to be beaten with bike locks by 9/11 widows.

      2. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

        WTF! You can NEVER be sure you've identified "all such information".

        1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

          Neat trick, huh?

    2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Finding out that their 'traitorous insurgents' actually weren't won't affect chemleft or White Mike's narrative in the least.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

      Amazing watching a libertarian magazine either defend this or ignore this.
      Again, tacit approval. They can't have it both ways.

  21. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Mississippi health authorities say there are no intensive care unit beds left in the state as new coronavirus cases overwhelm hospitals.

    We should all strive for 100% efficiency like this.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Finally turning a profit.

    2. Jerryskids   4 years ago

      There are 346 ICU beds in the entire state of Mississippi.

    3. Overt   4 years ago

      It's bizarre- if you look at the hospitalization rates for MS on that site, you see that in July 2020 and in Jan 2021, they had higher numbers of people in ICUs than current...so why is it they are out of capacity now?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        Because the journalists are left-wingers and are lying to advance a narrative.

      2. Nardz   4 years ago

        Staff attrition?

      3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

        They sold their extras?

      4. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

        NY needed them for their nursing homes.

    4. TangoDelta   4 years ago

      It's nice to see CON laws in action working exactly as they were designed. No need, no certificate, no beds. What could go wrong?

  22. Jefferson's Ghost   4 years ago

    "'...the American Civil Liberties Union said it has no issues with it [SB 742] as written," California Healthline reported."'

    Of course they don't. They obviously need to reread "The Constitution for Dummies."

  23. JesseAz   4 years ago

    Texas Supreme Court denies the Texas fleebaggers of their pay they are requesting for not showing up to their jobs.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/abbott-wins-texas-supreme-court-denies-dem-lawmakers-request-to-restore-pay-after-walkout

    1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

      Denied a majority Republican legislature of pay. Good work!

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Way to read the article or the bill Sullum.

        Who wants to tell him who it effects?

        1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

          You tell me. I suppose you believe the funding veto only effects Democrats. What makes you believe that? I read the article and it wasn't explicitly clear but it seemed to suggest that Abbot had vetoed all funding for legislative salaries.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            It effects staffers. Reading is not difficult. Just mouth the words. The executive can not hamper the legislativor pay itself. It effects their offices.

          2. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Well I will stand corrected. The Supreme Court did also include lawmaker pay.

            Odd you support only defending the gop though and seemingly applaud democrats getting paid for not doing their job.

        2. Sevo   4 years ago

          "Who wants to tell him who it effects?"

          Who expects the steaming pile of lefty shit to understand if it were somehow put in single-syllable words?

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        It hurts your allies, too, so it's not all bad.

  24. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The infrastructure package will fuel inflation...

    Inflation is infrastructure.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      I hope it’s not fossil fuel!

  25. JesseAz   4 years ago

    Oregon believes kids should graduate high school without being able to read or do math at any level.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/oregon-suspends-high-school-graduation-standards-to-make-equitable-rules-for-students-of-color

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   4 years ago

      That will work well when the kid applies to an out of state college.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        CRT math doesn't require actual math and seems to be based on visual meme.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        Colleges won't be far behind. Around 25-40% of incoming freshmen already need remedial math and science courses, and some colleges are getting rid of SAT and ACT scores.

        Don't be shocked if the GRE, LSAT, and MCAT goes away in about 10 years for incoming grad students, too, because being able to have basic knowledge of your chosen profession, and demonstrating advanced reasoning skills, is rayciss and sheeeeeeeiitt.

        1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

          When I taught Intro. to Finance at a state university, which was taken mostly by college juniors, I had to hold a special session in order to teach decimals and fractions. I think it goes without saying which of my students needed the session.

  26. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1425015113178832898?s=19

    France: A migrant from Rwanda bludgeoned a senior priest to death who had given him shelter. The African migrant was currently released on bail for allegedly setting fire to the cathedral of Nantes when he killed the priest yesterday.
    [Link]

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Immigrants like this should be given a Greek letter rather than identifying where they came from.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        #WokeWorld

    2. CE   4 years ago

      "...was currently released on bail for allegedly setting fire to the cathedral"

      You need to set stuff on fire to get released on bail? Sounds like Portland.

  27. JesseAz   4 years ago

    AOCs jan 6th story keeps expanding. Now claims she had fears of being raped.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2021/08/09/watch-aoc-says-she-feared-being-raped-on-january-6-n1468232

    Mind you, the story she tells is prior to a single person entering the Capitol building. The knocks on her door were done as a security check before anyone came through a door.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      Was Cuomo in DC that day? Charlie Rose? Al Franken? Any Kennedys? Bill Clinton? Matt Lauer?

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Damn. Good point.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 years ago

        Well Biden was president elect. So there was concern. She does have nice hair.

      3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

        Hunter Biden was in town

    2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Rapists always knock first.

    3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      If I concocted a story of being practically raped and murdered at an event, and then everyone found out that I was never there, I'd die of shame.

      Not those clowns though.

    4. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      She wasn't even in the building at the time.

  28. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/_BarringtonII/status/1425086873903452160?s=19

    Twitter suspends Marjorie Taylor Greene's account for one week - CNN

    Greene tweeted that the FDA "should not approve the covid vaccines." She also claimed the vaccines were "failing" and that they were ineffective at reducing the virus's spread.”

    Ummmmm [link]

    1. Nardz   4 years ago

      https://twitter.com/Theo_TJ_Jordan/status/1424927660493484041?s=19

      Have you all seen this clip yet? I dont use other SM so I cant confirm, but I heard today it was pulled from both YouTube and Facebook (acct suspended on FB, that from one I do trust).

      Why would this banned?!? We're talking not allowed to be spoken. Mind-boggling where we are. [Video]

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        But this is just fine...

        https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1424936953296957442?s=19

        Mike Brown is a tragic reminder that state sponsored murder exist. He and many others serve as angels of our conscious to keep fighting for true racial justice.

        Those who are complicit and standing on the sidelines enable this injustice to continue.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

        Wow that vid should be mandatory. Dude lays it all out in plain English in 6 minutes.

  29. JesseAz   4 years ago

    NBC analyst says we need to be nicer to politicians and ignore their hypocritical parties.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1425067993868943374

    1. CE   4 years ago

      We should be nicer to retired politicians, for sure.

  30. JesseAz   4 years ago

    Coming to a blue city near you.... France send out police for random checks of vaccine passports to people shopping or eating at cafes.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PaoneAntony/status/1424730996738568195

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      It’s not like anyone might get shot one day or anything.

    2. CE   4 years ago

      France was well trained under the Occupation.

  31. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

    In the past, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has gone to bat against these types of restrictions, but "the American Civil Liberties Union said it has no issues with it [SB 742] as written," California Healthline reported.

    Maybe the ACLU should change its name since they clearly don't care about civil liberties anymore.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      Trans American Civil Liberties Union or TACL U.

  32. JesseAz   4 years ago


    Nate Silver
    @NateSilver538
    Over the past week, the 10 least vaccinated states are averaging 3.0x per cases per capita than the 10 most vaccinated states, 4.3x more hospitalizations per capita, and 6.5x more deaths per capita.

    https://nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

    Add nate silver to another pundit ignoring the seasoning spread of the virus that mimics last year.

    1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

      It's especially maddening because in May when cases were dropping everywhere and the 'experts' claimed they had no idea why, WE WERE TELLING EVERYBODY TO WATCH OUT FOR THE SUNBELT SUMMER SPIKE THAT WAS COMING.

      And sure enough it showed up exactly when and where we said it would. So the media blames........the people.

  33. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1425098463117811719?s=19

    The CDC published a COVID-19 planning document that suggested relocating “high-risk individuals” to “green zones” or “camps” in order to keep them away from the rest of the population.

    [Link]

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      It’s for their own good.

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      Camps for concentrating high risk individuals?

      1. CE   4 years ago

        They can call it the Cuomo plan.

  34. Nardz   4 years ago

    Lol, it won't let me copy the direct link to the article. Hopefully the tweet stays up for at least a few minutes

    https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1425093698673647617?s=19

    Our societies will, in the end, pay dearly for this cowardice and malice.

    "Surgeon fired by College of Medicine for voicing safety concerns about Covid shots for children

    POSTED ON: JUNE 23, 2021

    SASKATCHEWAN: The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms represents Dr. Francis Christian, Clinical Professor of General Surgery at the University of Saskatchewan and a practising surgeon in Saskatoon. Dr. Christian was called into a meeting today, suspended from all teaching responsibilities effective immediately, and fired from his position with the University of Saskatchewan as of September 2021."

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      https://www.jccf.ca/surgeon-fired-by-college-of-medicine-for-voicing-safety-concerns-about-covid-shots-for-children

      Remove the trailing /

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        No, Reason wasn't preventing copying the link - Twitter was

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          Ahh. Gotcha. Sorry.

          1. Nardz   4 years ago

            No need for apology.

            Big Tech is just shameless in their propaganda. Can't voice doubts, or even ask questions, about mass human experimentation without risking censorship/expulsion, but totes ok to straight up lie about extensively documented facts in order to rouse fear and create racial tension...

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      Oh, Canada.

  35. Jefferson's Ghost   4 years ago

    "An Oregon high school diploma does not guarantee that students who earned it can read, write or do math at a high school level."

    "Governor Kate Brown dropped the requirement that students demonstrate they have achieved those essential skills by signing Senate Bill 744 into law. She declined again Friday to comment on why she supported suspending the proficiency requirements, reported OregonLive."

    So, then, will she trim the budget by laying-off all English and Math teachers?

    Remember when education consisted primarily of the "three R's."
    I imagine that was too long ago for many readers here.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   4 years ago

      Well writing and arithmetic never started with an "R". So they are correcting that error.

    2. mad.casual   4 years ago

      Remember when education consisted primarily of the “three R’s.”

      No, but I can remember when education required you to understand a history book, which had at least one of the three as a prerequisite.

      1. Jefferson's Ghost   4 years ago

        "No, but I can remember when education required you to understand a history book, which had at least one of the three as a prerequisite."

        And, one sometimes even had to write a paper about it, perish the thought!!!

    3. Chumby   4 years ago

      Rape, Reparations and Reassignment surgery

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        Well played

  36. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

    The first Civilian Climate Corps

    Will they wear brown* green shirts?

    *To anyone currently getting their panties in a bunch over a random Nazi reference, note that this is what's commonly known as "a joke." If you don't get it, just move on.

    1. Nardz   4 years ago

      Fuck echospinner the passive-aggressive totalitarian leftist simp

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        Absolutely.

    2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      What should I do if I get the joke? Stay?

      1. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

        Sure, why not? As long your wearing non-bunching underwear.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          I usually run commando, so it’s all good.

        2. Chumby   4 years ago

          Underwear made from genetically superior cotton.

        3. Dillinger   4 years ago

          chicks dig me because I rarely wear underwear ...

  37. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

    "it's going to bring us back here to clean up a mess that we could have prevented," Sen. Pat Toomey (R–Penn.) said.

    Isn't that Congress' main job? Cleaning up messes they created, which then creates another mess they have to go back and clean up, which creates another mess they have to go back and clean up, which creates another mess they have to go back and clean up, and so on, and so on ad infinitum.

    1. Eeyore   4 years ago

      I thought that was Science's job.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        The Science

  38. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

    The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) "directed $424,455 to researchers at the University of Georgia in September 2020 to infect dozens of beagles with disease-causing parasites in order to test an experimental drug on them," the Daily Caller reports on what White Coat Waste uncovered. "The task order states that the beagles are to be euthanized 196 days after the start of the study."

    If you want to make an omelette, you gotta kill 196 dogs.

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      It's 2021 dammit! Killing beagles for research is a reprehensible waste of life. Declare an emergency, skip the beagles, spend the $424K on propaganda advertising, and conduct your research directly on human subjects.

      1. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

        I assume that the "disease-causing parasites" they infected the pooches with are parasites that only infect dogs.

        So first, do gain of function research on the parasites so that they can infect humans, then conduct the research on human subjects after it "accidentally" escapes the lab.

        *adjusts tinfoil hat*

    2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Fauci is a monster.

      1. Dillinger   4 years ago

        kinda need a monster if the plans advance death.

    3. Chumby   4 years ago

      Surprised NIAID hasn’t been hounded about this.

    4. Eeyore   4 years ago

      If you can't convince them with dead children, try dead puppies.

  39. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://summit.news/2021/08/09/journalist-im-going-to-miss-being-locked-down-pines-for-another/

    “When I walked out of my town’s massive conference center in early April, a second Pfizer shot fresh in my arm, a flood of emotions swelled in me. Creeping behind the feelings of joy and anticipation, I felt a strange bit of sadness that, all the way home, I could not shake. When I walked into my house and my three-year-old dashed into my arms, it hit me,” wrote Venutolo-Mantovani.

    “I think I’m going to miss being locked down, I realised, in disbelief.”

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      She really needs to just quit her job and be a housewife.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        What kind of idiot would want an emotion wreck like that for a wife?

      2. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

        Actually the journalist in question is a dude. I can understand assuming it was a woman. I did at first, since it's usually women who hyphenate their last names and whine and whinge about not having enough time with their kids after buying the lie that they can have a career and a family and fully enjoy both aspects of their life without any regrets* (e.g., that they can have their cake and eat it too).

        *If people choose to try and have a full time career and be a parent that is, of course, their prerogative, but the idea that they won't have to make trade offs and compromises and won't feel bad about not miss out on anything is fucking daffy.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          Actually the journalist in question is a dude.

          My critique stands.

          1. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

            Touche. As I said, it definitely comes off as the typical whining of a "career woman" who ends up shocked that she really can't "have it all" and that life involves choices, trade offs, and sacrifices. Like not having as much time with your kids due to your decision to also work full time.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              Yeah, there isn't any difference between that hyper-emotive bilge and something that might have been in Cosmo or Ms. magazine 20-30 years ago.

              1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

                So true, Red. They (cosmo, ms readership) were just Crybabies then; now they morphed into Crybullies.

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                “We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.”

                1. MT-Man   4 years ago

                  True and a good movie.

                2. Chumby   4 years ago

                  The first rule of CRT is don’t talk about CRT.

    2. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

      The main thrust of the argument is that the lockdown gave Venutolo-Mantovani an excuse to slow down, not have to go into the office, and spend more time with his family.

      IOW, stupid twat doesn't recognize that he can either ask his current employer for more work/ life balance and to work from home more and instead wishes for the government to impose his preferences on everyone at the point of a gun.

      I couldn't think of a more succinct summation of the mindset of the modern progressive if I tried.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        Thats the thing - the pajama class likes the lockdown lifestyle for themselves, but only if everyone else is forced to put their lives on hold too. Otherwise, they might miss out on something

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   4 years ago

          And don't forget the 'Essentials' that need to continue to deliver the comfort the pajama class needs daily.

          1. Nardz   4 years ago

            How better to cement class status?

  40. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York told CNN's Dana Bash that she was afraid she was going to be raped and killed on January 6, when a mob of pro-Trump insurrectionists laid siege to the US Capitol in a failed effort to overturn the 2020 US election results.

    LOL, keep in mind she wasn't actually in the Capitol when the tourists waltzed in.

    Bitch is revealing a hell of lot more here than I think she realizes. But considering her boyfriend, it's not a surprise that she's having rape fantasies about brutish blue-collar Republicans.

    1. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

      Claiming she feared for her life wasn't getting her enough attention, especially when it was debunked within a day or two of her initial claims, so I guess she decided to do what proggie dipshits do best: double down. Now she claims she wasn't just afraid for her life but was afraid she was going to be raped. LO-fucking-L. What a stupid cunt.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        There was some NSFW Twitter post out there called "I want to get pounded by a Republican" that was posted by some lefty thot after a protest event where she saw a male with actual testosterone for the first time in her life.

        That post was the first thing I thought of when Cortez talked about how she thought she was going to be raped. She clearly wants a muscle-bound Republican plumber to lay the pipe to her.

        1. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

          She clearly wants a muscle-bound Republican plumber to lay the pipe to her.

          It's times like this that in a sick way I kind of miss SugarFree.

          1. LibertyWeeb   4 years ago

            I get where you're coming from, but wanting SugarFree fiction is a serious Monkey's Paw situation.

        2. Chumby   4 years ago

          Jose the Plumber

  41. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/now-time-strike-root-confidence

    Because of this instability, this fragility, it is incumbent on us right now to say “No,” everywhere. Threats of job loss over vaccination? No, force them to fire you. The lawyers will be standing 20 deep to take your case to court.

    In Moscow the restaurants lost 80% of their business overnight after the city instituted a vaccine passport to eat out. The response? Russians just said, “No,” and cooked. This is your model.

    All during the ‘pandemic’ in my home town I avoided places that mandated a mask and ignored the warnings on those places that tried to browbeat me into wearing one.

    I walked in, was polite, did my business and left.

    I wore masks out of politeness to locals outside of my hometown. But, that’s it.

    1. Nardz   4 years ago

      Today, we are being coerced to accept second-class citizenship for not getting vaccinated where the vaccines do nothing to stop the spread of the virus. This is being framed as irresponsibility when, if anything, the vaccinated carry higher viral loads making them potential super-spreaders endangering everyone else.

      I don’t need to get an experimental gene therapy to validate your life choices.

      I need you to see that there is more to life than following the mandates of psychopaths and pathological liars to err on the side of caution.

      No wonder there’s an increasing cohort of people moving into Stage 5, just saying ‘No.’ The time for virtue-signaling is over. The time for lying about masks, death statistics and the basics of virology is over. This is a political operation and we need to treat it as such.

      If you got the jab, fine. If you didn’t have a side-effect, great!

      If you got COVID afterwards, had mild symptoms and recovered, even better. I’m glad you survived.

      But, it stops there. Don’t worry about me. Now it’s your responsibility to understand what the true stakes are and find a future that doesn’t end in derangement, a permanent underclass and mass death.

      So, let’s stop pretending that any of this now is about public health, and hasn’t been for more than a year. If anything it has always been about your personal health and therefore getting a vaccine should be a personal choice.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        Anything beyond that is pure politics serving the interests of those who have been caught red-handed lying about every bit of this and profiting from our shared misery egregiously.

        It is about the failure of the state to make good on its basic promises for decades and coming to terms with that honestly. Now the State’s lies about COVID and the vaccines are distractions from their failures, dividing us to not only maintain that power but expand it exponentially.

        Our confidence in them is gone. That much is crystal clear. What isn’t obvious to many is that their confidence in our willingness to go along with them is also gone. That’s why they are so swiftly moving into Stage 4.

        Because that is the far scarier state of play for them.

        The more we simply go to Stage 5 and say, “No,” the quicker this entire operation collapses and we can get on with Stage 6, fixing what was broken.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Americans are too weak to fight back.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

          Oh my dear Lord. You people are ridiculous.
          There is no worldwide conspiracy to seize dictatorial power under the guise of a pandemic.
          The vaccine is not a massive "psy-op". They don't have microchips either.
          You all are paranoid nutters. And this is what I suspected what "being red-pilled" all along meant. It doesn't mean "seeing the world as it truly is", as it means in The Matrix. It means "seeing conspiracies around every corner".

          1. mad.casual   4 years ago

            It means “seeing conspiracies around every corner”.

            I don't want to see them. I can't turn on my TV without an advertisement of CDC policy. A policies that the CDC itself is having meetings on (but, somehow not conspiring!) to make sure that they aren't the crazy ones.

          2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            With your team's massive attacks on personal liberties and freedom of thought and speech, you can't blame people for thinking conspiracy theories are IRL spoilers.

          3. Dillinger   4 years ago

            are you qualified to explain The Matrix?

          4. Eeyore   4 years ago

            So, because some nutters believe in crazy theories - you can ignore valid arguments that come to a similar conclusion?

            I don't even know the name of this logical fallacy. Seems like a new one.

          5. Zeb   4 years ago

            Keep building those strawmen.
            No one is claiming a conspiracy is behind it all and no one except you has ever seriously mentioned microchips here. The fact is that many governments around the world have taken on dictatorial powers. If you don't find that deeply troubling, I don't know what to say.

        3. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

          But I did read the comments to your article. Is this what you think "libertarians" are?

          9/11 was an inside job, the "3% fought in the Revolution" myth, Americans are brainwashed sheep, get your "safe house" prepped for when the civil war comes, it just goes on and on

          Do you think this is what "real libertarianism" is?

          1. Nardz   4 years ago

            No, but it would be as valid as your interpretation that libertarianism is just collectivist leftism that bitches about (some) taxes

            1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              chemjeff 'libertarianism' begins and ends with government subsidized weed and catamites.

      2. mad.casual   4 years ago

        I don’t need to get an experimental gene therapy to validate your life choices.

        It's so conceptually backwards I had to read it twice to confirm that you wrote it correctly.

    2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      "In Moscow the restaurants lost 80% of their business overnight after the city instituted a vaccine passport to eat out. The response? Russians just said, “No,” and cooked. This is your model."

      That's a function of the legitimacy of the government, but it's also a function of culture.

      Drunk Germans will wait for the pedestrian signals to change at three o'clock in the morning before crossing the street, when there isn't any traffic. Where I was living in Mexico, cars would have run pedestrians over if they police weren't there to direct traffic. The people there won't do anything differently unless the police are standing there making them do it. The legislature made a law--so what?

      There's an old adage that used to go something like this:

      In the United States, if it isn't illegal, it's legal. In Germany, if it isn't legal, it's illegal. In France, even if it's illegal, it's legal. In Russia, even if it's legal, it's illegal.

      I doubt the Russians are any braver about losing their liquor licenses because of their national character. I suspect it's because their liquor licenses depend on the local police and the Russian mob--which are more or less one in the same thing.

      In fact, when the local police and the Russian mafia found out that the restaurants were losing 80% of their revenue because people weren't vaccinated--and thus the restaurants wouldn't have the revenue to pay for protection--the police and the mob probably told the restaurant owners to stop discriminating against unvaccinated people--or else.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        Whoosh

        1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

          Which part didn't I get?

          1. Nardz   4 years ago

            You went off on a tangent about Russia for some reason.
            I suspect it was to make a point about your absolute faith in The Market, but in doing so you minimize the danger that we face.
            But hey, only took a war with 30 million dead to topple the Nazis, and the Soviets faded out after 75 years, so no biggie.

            1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

              "In Moscow the restaurants lost 80% of their business overnight after the city instituted a vaccine passport to eat out. The response? Russians just said, “No,” and cooked. This is your model."

              Their model is different.

              The people who run Moscow may have less power than the local police and the local mob--who are probably one in the same thing.

              I've made this point in regards to living in Mexico, where getting arrested more or less just opens the negotiation. An unjust system doesn't become just because the injustice is meted out to everyone equally. If bribing a guard will get you out of a concentration camp, you want the guard and his boss to be corrupt.

              The mob enforced, local police enforced, corrupt government of Moscow is not comparable to the occupancy permit, liquor license, and health department inspection processes in the USA. You generally cannot pay off the health department, the police, the mob, or the city council to not close your restaurant down. There's no resisting like that in the USA.

              The city, the health department, the police, and your insurance company will shut you down. Incidentally, the reason your local liquor store doesn't sell beer directly to teenagers is because the negative consequences of doing so are severe and inescapable. Your liquor license will be taken away and sold to someone else.

              1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                On the corruption index, Russia ranks better than Nigeria but worse than Mexico.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

              2. Nardz   4 years ago

                "Submit, because resisting tyranny is too hard"

                Damn, Ken, that's way worse than what I thought you were going for.

                1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                  I'm not against resisting, but I'm not sure effective resistance is possible in that way. Any restaurant that gets away with it in large enough numbers to notice will also bring attention to themselves. I wish them all the luck in the world.

                  And I'm not convinced that the reason Americans are less likely to resist is because the Russians are more independently minded than Americans. Corruption can make staying open the path of least resistance. I suspect if Americans could pay off or bribe somebody to look the other way, they would.

                  P.S. Woosh!

  42. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    Just gazing through the headlines, Donald Trump losing the 2020 election was the worst thing to happen to libertarian capitalism in the U.S. since FDR. If you're a libertarian capitalist, even if you hate Trump personally, at this point, you should be nostalgic for the bad old days of the Trump administration.

    "Former President Trump on Saturday slammed the Senate’s $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package just hours before the upper chamber is scheduled to vote on winding down debate, calling the bill a “disgrace” and pushing Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to negotiate a better deal.

    The ex-commander in chief issued the message from his Save America PAC, accusing Republican leaders of satisfying the policy agenda of Democrats and telling GOP senators to think “twice before you approve this terrible deal."

    ----The Hill, August 8, 2021

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/566838-trump-slams-mcconnell-infrastructure-package-a-disgrace

    The 17 or so Republicans in the Senate who are backing this bill are probably providing the means by which the Republicans--or someone like him--will take the Republican presidential nomination come 2024. Just as the Tea Party was a reaction to TARP that culminated in the removal of John Boehner from the Speaker's chair, in 2022 and 2024, Trump and those like him can focus a grass roots movement on eliminating every Republican senator that voted for the infrastructure bill.

    I would prefer someone other than Trump won the Republican nomination for president in 2024. It's like in the Old Testament, when God told David that he couldn't build his permanent temple for him because he'd waged too many wars and spilled too much blood. It doesn't seem fair. David fought those wars with God's blessing. Fair doesn't really enter into it though. If we can't win with suburban women because TDS is such a serious problem, then that's the way it is. You can't defy gravity through levitation regardless of whether that's fair, and you can't dictate terms to the voter market.

    So, how does someone beat Trump in the primaries? I think you have to do what doom metal bands like Sleep and Electric Wizard did. Their greatest influence was Black Sabbath, but how do you market yourself to Black Sabbath fans? They've heard that sound before. Why do they want to hear it again from someone who isn't Black Sabbath? The answer is that you have to be more Sabbath than Sabbath. You take all the things that made Sabbath different from the other bands, and you double them.

    If anybody beats Trump in the primaries in 2024, it will be because they're more Trump than Trump--whether I like Trump on that issue or not. Trump won't win for running against the establishment Republicans if the dominant alternatives to Trump in the primary field aren't establishment Republicans.

    I would expect the frontrunners to be people like Cruz, Nikki Haley, DeSantis, and Pence--as well as Trump. If anybody beats Trump in that contest, it won't be because they're moderate on wildly popular positions like free speech, forever wars, overspending, etc. It'll be because they're more Trump than Trump on the issues. The loudest voice is the only one people will hear over the cacophony, and if they aren't more Trump than Trump, they won't be heard at all.

    1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      Yeah, here's how you beat Trump in the primaries:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaMbKZPBruU

      P.S.

      "The 17 or so Republicans in the Senate who are backing this bill are probably providing the means by which the Republicans [Trump]–or someone like him–will take the Republican presidential nomination come 2024."

      ----Ken Shultz

      Fixed!

    2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Trump, the guy who started the eviction ban, tried to pass his own infrastructure bill, and is still rabble rousing with lies about a stolen election.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        the guy who started the eviction ban

        Pretty sure that was Pelosi and Schumer, but you're paid to lie here, so away you go I guess.

    3. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Trump, the guy who split the Republican Party, essentially handing the Federal government over to the Democrats. Trump, the guy who couldn’t rein in his offensive personality, even if it would have led to his winning re-election.

      1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

        Way to invite the wrath of the Trumpistas. That or they'll just mute you so your criticism of Trump won't hurt their feelings.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          So muting is cowardly?

          1. A Cynical Asshole   4 years ago

            What's that? I couldn't hear you, you were muted.

            Just kidding.

            1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

              I didn't catch it. Got him on mute, just like Ken's got me on mute. But for different reasons.

        2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          Look at sarcasmic go. Just upthread he was bragging that he muted everybody, and now he's bitching about being muted again.

          This is what drinking wood alcohol does to your brain, kids.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            Don’t feed the drunken troll.

        3. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          I’ve got a whole fan club of Trump mean girls who post little gray boxes under my comments. Every once in a while I look; they never make any reply of substance.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            Incawnceivable!

    4. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

      Ken, a couple of thoughts.

      POTUS Trump will run in 2024. He will not let it go, unless Team R does. VP Pence is not going to run. He can do the rubber-chicken dinner circuit very profitably now.
      Personally, I would be notably less enthused with Senator Cruz.
      DeSantis is a work in progress. Not ruling him in or out.
      Haley....I love her forthrightness in defending the US, and Israel.

      Kristy Noem, to me, is the best of that entire bunch.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        Haley is a neocon with no traction, but it's incredibly optimistic to think the 2024 election will matter anyway.

        #FLexit

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          2016 was America's last somewhat legitimate election, ever. The establishment is never ever going to make that mistake again.

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            Suffice it to say, I don't believe that.

            We'll see what happens in 2022 and 2024.

      2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        Haley's neocon sympathies in the past are a concern. If she were to condemn forever wars, that might be okay. Trump's opinions on our wars evolved before he was president, too.

        Because the Democrats are so awful, the marketability of the candidate is a legitimate concern. Because the Democrats were so awful was a legitimate reason to vote for Trump in 2020, too.

        The Democrats would have a hard time smearing Haley as a racist, a sexist, or for being inexperienced. She has executive experience as a governor, and she has legitimate foreign policy experience, too.

        Despite their disputes, she also left the Trump administration on good terms. Trump might even endorse her if she were winning in the primaries. I don't think Trump would endorse Pence under any circumstances.

        She's formidable.

        1. CE   4 years ago

          DeSantis and Abbott are formidable, which is why the media are trying to make them look worse than Cuomo for dealing with COVID-19.

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            Haley would wipe the floor with Biden or Harris.

      3. Chumby   4 years ago

        What about Rand?

        1. Nardz   4 years ago

          I live Rand, but he's a role player, not alpha dog. I could be wrong, but he hasn't any executive experience to indicate otherwise.
          It's between Trump and DeSantis, with pretty much no decent options behind them.
          But again, 2024 probably doesn't matter. We are Soviet/Nazi America now, except our tyrants have way more reach than any that have ever existed before.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            Rand as a second to Trump.

          2. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

            I'd like to see Rand on the back end of the ticket where he can focus more on the big picture like his dad did.

        2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

          Ken Shultz is pro-Rand Paul--even though I think he made a huge mistake by opposing ObamaCare reform. I don't necessarily bet on my favorite team. Because it's my team doesn't mean it's the team that's most likely to win. I was just talking about the people most likely to win.

          And if Rand Paul were really serious about becoming president, he'd run for governor of Kentucky first.

          You want to be a governor, a general, or a vice president before you run for president. To my knowledge, there have only been three sitting senators who ran for president and won: Warren G. Harding, Barack Obama, and John F. Kennedy. If he were appointed to a cabinet position, that would help.

  43. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

    The First Amendment protects speech on public sidewalks, including offering leaflets, displaying signs, or conveying oral messages to people who haven't 'consen[ted]'

    +1 Charles Schenk

    1. Dillinger   4 years ago

      Lizzie Baer's insolence was hawt.

  44. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

    Huh. So much for local control.

    Florida's Governor Says School Leaders' Salary May Be Withheld If They Require Masks

    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/09/1026299001/florida-governor-desantis-school-superintendent-salary-masks

    1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      get rid of public schools, problem solved

      1. chemleft radical retard   4 years ago

        Noooooooooo...

    2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      Ugh, #DeathSantis is just awful.

      I bet he doesn't want public schoolchildren to be required to take critical race theory classes. We left-libertarians can never support someone like that.

      #RadicalIndividualistsForRacialCollectivism

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

      This should be the job of the Biden administration.

  45. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

    Two years of subsidized community college tuition

    WTF community college is ALREADY subsidized.

  46. CE   4 years ago

    My copy of the Bill of Rights must be out of date. It doesn't mention any "buffer zone" exclusion for exercising freedom of speech.

    1. Eeyore   4 years ago

      You mean it doesn't say, "make no laws unless they mention obscenity or buffer zones"?

  47. Dillinger   4 years ago

    >>researchers at the University of Georgia

    rot in Hell for experimenting on Snoopy assholes.

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      Again, put them at the back of the line until we get through all the people performing gain-of-function research and foisting the vaccine on people. It's not like they're giving syphillis to Guatamalans.

      As a libertarian, 'fuck you, cut spending' and 'not my beagle, not my problem'.

  48. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    The infrastructure bill passes, and Cuomo resigned.

    The 19 Republican senators who voted for it need to be targeted for replacement in the primaries.

    The 31 Republicans who voted against the infrastructure bill need to come together and vote against the 19 who voted for it to replace McConnell as the Republican leader in the Senate. If he speaks for a minority of Republicans in the senate on such a fundamental issue, he has no business being the Republicans' leader.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      Susan Collins isn’t that popular with many Republicans in Maine. The party censured her over the Trump impeachment circus. A few years ago the Ron Paul faction forced Olympia Snowe out (the caucus straw poll had her losing the primary terribly so she declined to seek reelection). And we ended up with King Anus (Angus King, unaffiliated Democrat). But as vanilla Collins has been the general election would likely result in someone worse. And I think she has five years until another election.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        Holding politicians accountable for how they vote may be more important than who would replace them.

        They need to think that if they vote for spending bills--like the infrastructure bill or TARP--that there will be hell to pay down the road.

        We need to pave the road with the spoiled careers for Republican senators who voted for this bill, so that those who follow understand the consequences.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          I was part of getting rid of Snowe for the same. Iirc, just a few years prior she had the highest approval rating of any sitting senator.
          Collins is not up for reelection until 2026…

        2. CE   4 years ago

          "Holding politicians accountable for how they vote may be more important than who would replace them. "

          That's not what you said about Trump...

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            It wasn't true about Trump.

            Who would replace him was probably much more important than holding him accountable for . . . what?

            The bumpstock ban?

            Immigration and the China trade war would have been the same.

            You could have rewarded Trump for getting us out of Afghanistan, creating an alliance to replace us in the Middle East, deregulation, etc., etc.

            1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

              “holding him accountable for . . . what?”

              Wow, your ability to turn a blind eye is astounding.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

      BIPARTISAN!

    3. CE   4 years ago

      200 billion dollars is now a rounding error.
      The NYT headline calls is a "$1 Trillion" infrastructure bill.

  49. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

    "When New York decided to stop cracking down on sex workers, it maintained harsh policing of sex workers' customers," notes the Cato Institute. Kaytlin Bailey of The Old Pro Project explains on the Cato Daily podcast why full decriminalization should be the path forward.

    Old news. Washington did the same thing.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

      Oh, and the policy (no prosecution of sex workers, but bringing the hammer down on the customers) was supported by the media/journalists. That needs to be said loudly and clearly.

      Many of their customers were members of a secretive network of men who not only paid for sex — in some cases scores of times — but would also write detailed online reviews of their encounters and encourage others to do the same.

      Using pseudonyms like “TomCat007,” “Captain America” and “Tahoe Ted,” the men posted thousands of sexually explicit reviews on a carefully curated, Seattle-based website called The Review Board. In great detail, they rated a woman’s performance, energy level and physical attributes, and offered recommendations as if they were reviewing restaurants. The website also accepted free advertisements from prostitutes.

      Some likened The Review Board to Yelp, only for paid sex.

      “Recommend? ‘If you are a red-blooded male, (by which I mean Yep.)’ ” wrote one reviewer.

      “Hell to the yes,” wrote another. “I love tiny Asian girls. And Lomi is as tiny as they get.”

  50. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

    The Supreme Court has allowed a Colorado law banning "'knowingly approach[ing]' within eight feet of another person [near a medical facility], without that person's consent, 'for the purpose of passing a leaflet or handbill to, displaying a sign to, or engaging in oral protest, education, or counseling with such other person.'"

    But this ban was much shorter in distance—8 feet, versus the 30 feet proposed in the California bill—and in its 2000 decision, the Court specifically contrasted this to a 15-foot anti-speech zone it struck down in a 1997 case (Schenck v. Pro-Choice Network). More recently, in the 2014 case McCullen v. Coakley, the Court struck down a 35-foot free speech buffer zone around abortion clinics.

    So the Democrats are declaring all of 2020 to be illegal now. Got it.

    1. Eeyore   4 years ago

      Would installing a pamphlet dispenser in the sidewalk and then yelling at them with a bull horn from across the street be acceptable?

      1. mad.casual   4 years ago

        Massive air drops of pamphlets OK.

  51. JFree   4 years ago

    The A-bomb did not cause Japan to surrender. Stalin did.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      And this is why the Japanese surrendered to the Soviet Union and not to MacArthur.

  52. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

    LOL. 30 ft, 8 ft. 15 ft. Oh, Reason...

  53. Rob Misek   4 years ago

    Speech must be free but intimidation shouldn’t be.

    The line at a vaccination clinic isn’t a venue for debate.

    The people in line have already decided to be vaccinated not to enter a debate.

    Free speech isn’t a license to harass people until they do what you want.

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