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Biden Applauds Derek Chauvin Guilty Verdict, Condemns Violent 'Agitators and Extremists'

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President Joe Biden addressed the nation on Tuesday following the conviction of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin on all three charges. Biden applauded the verdict and said that George Floyd's death was "murder in full light of day, and it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see the systemic racism."

Biden said this outcome was a step forward for racial justice, but that Congress should act to pass legislation that would address misconduct in police departments. He said that should be Floyd's legacy—a legacy of "peace, not violence":

Peaceful expression of that legacy are inevitable and appropriate. But, violent protest is not. There are those who will seek to exploit the raw emotions of the moment, agitators and extremists who have no interest in social justice, who seek to carry out violence, destroy property, and fan the flames of hate and division, who do everything in their power to stop this country's march toward racial justice.

We can't let them succeed. This is a time for this country to come together, to unite as Americans.

Remarks by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi were less well-received. As SFGate reported:

Shortly after former Minnesota police officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty in the murder of George Floyd, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., delivered a bizarre speech that immediately angered and disturbed people following along on social media.

"Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice," Pelosi said. "For being there to call out to your mom — how heartbreaking was that?" she interjected. "Call out to your mom, 'I can't breathe.' But because of you, thousands, millions of people around the world who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous with justice. And now we have to make sure justice prevails in the sentencing. But, you know, that's its own procedure."

Obviously, the idea that Floyd sacrificed his life for justice is a bit presumptuous. Floyd didn't choose to be killed. (The Las Vegas Raiders posted a similarly cringeworthy social media statement.)

Meanwhile, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) cast doubt on the notion that Chauvin's conviction represented some meaningful achievement of justice.

There were also plenty of questionable reactions from the right. Republican Anthony Sabatini, a member of the Florida House of Representatives, described the outcome as "mob justice." Several other conservative commentators echoed this notion.

For a recap of the jury's decision, read Reason's Jacob Sullum.


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Columbia University students filed complaints against Dinah PoKempner, an adjunct professor at the Institute for the Study of Human Rights and former general counsel at the Human Rights Watch, after she used the word nigger in an educational setting while discussing "the comparative legal treatment of hate speech." According to The College Fix:

Students attempted to inform PoKempner why her language was out of line, but without success. They ended up taking their complaints to the Office of Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action, the Office of Multicultural Affairs and Institute for the Study of Human Rights.

According to Columbia's faculty handbook, professors should "engage their students in discussions about issues that are contentious and emotionally charged" and "challenge them to reexamine deeply held beliefs." It also notes such discussions should embrace "civility, tolerance, and respect for ideas that differ from their own."

While the complaints about PoKempner are being looked into, Institute for the Study of Human Rights Director Elazar Barkan "acknowledged" students' post-episode "anxiety about the course." Another administrator will handle grading for PoKempner's class for the rest of the semester.

Adam Steinbaugh of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education urged Columbia to refrain from punishing PoKempner. "A class discussing what the First Amendment protects will naturally raise the likelihood of hearing or seeing words people find offensive," he said. "While students have the right to criticize those choices or to complain about them, an investigation or punishment by the university would be a marked departure from its commitment to academic freedom."


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The Senate will hold confirmation hearings on Wednesday for Lina Khan, an associate professor of law at Columbia University who was nominated by Biden to join the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). Khan's appointment is notable because she's a major intellectual proponent of the idea that the federal government should use antitrust laws to regulate major tech companies. She was the co-author of an influential 2017 paper that argued Amazon's multiple market functions—as a platform, a retailer, a book publisher, and a web hosting service—create "anticompetitive concerns."

In essence, Khan is an adherent of the progressive approach to regulating "Big Tech." What's interesting is that many conservatives have also soured on tech corporations and some—Sens. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) and Ted Cruz (R–Texas) in particular—have signaled an openness to regulating or even breaking up Big Tech. If the Republicans decline to get behind Khan—or even deride her pro-government, pro-regulation approach—it might show that their stated opposition to Big Tech is just for show. Sen. Mike Lee (R–Utah) has suggested that Khan is too inexperienced for the job, which could be his way of saying he's not on board.

Assuming that Khan does get confirmed, she is likely to bolster the Biden administration's misguided efforts to rein in tech companies. Biden previously tapped Tim Wu, a Columbia law professor and close ally of Khan, to join the National Economic Council. This is one area of policy where Biden's views seem to be well in keeping with far-left progressivism, and there's plenty of damage that Wu and Khan can do. How Republicans might respond is something of a mystery, given that petty grievances have caused them to abandon free market principles when it comes to tech.


QUICK HITS

  • Former President George W. Bush criticized the modern Republican Party as "isolationist, protectionist, and to a certain extent, nativist."
  • The Johnson & Johnson vaccine rollout will resume in Europe.
  • Things are going very, very badly in India.
  • New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg: "There Could Never Be a Female Andrew Yang."
  • A school board in Newark, California, went "nuclear" and ordered all teachers to return to classrooms by the end of the month.

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  1. Biden applauded the verdict…

    At least he didn’t comment via Twitter.

    1. There is so much less objectional content in the Roundup with Rico Suave doing them, the commenting is less contentious, and we have to suffer thru a rapid fire barrage of FoE Tepid Takes.
      Im getting bored.

        1. When will Sleepy Joe get around to enacting some commonsense comment control? Nobody needs 30 FoE quips in a single comment section.

          1. Exactly. Just fire off a couple of comments to scare off the crowd

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  2. Biden said this outcome was a step forward for racial justice…

    Oh, did we conclude this was a racial incident?

    1. Well, the Democrats did, but that is their entire platform.

    2. There is no evidence of racial motivation in this incident.

      1. Just a cop who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the lives of anyone not wearing a badge.

    3. When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

      1. Hammers are racist!

        1. Do I need to show you my hammerfor?

  3. He said that should be Floyd’s legacy—a legacy of “peace, not violence”…

    It’s not fair to the deceased to completely erase his past.

    1. If Biden wanted to unify the country around Floyd’s, um, legacy, you know what he could do?

      1. Take lethal amounts of fentanyl?

        1. That *would* be a BFD!

        2. Keep repeating that lie Traitor.
          Doesn’t make it any less bullshit.

          1. Get bent.

      2. Admit culpability from his authoring of the crime bill?

      3. Recognize his white privilege and resign, allowing Harris to become President.

  4. …House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., delivered a bizarre speech that immediately angered and disturbed people following along on social media.

    Botox is a helluva drug.

    1. That bitch is crazy. She thinks GF is JC

    2. Yes, let’s promote the drug addled street thug to sainthood.

      1. “Thank you for giving us the political ammunition we needed to reshape society in our image.”

    3. I suppose she’s too addled to realize if George Floyd was alive today he’s be sitting in jail.

  5. “Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice,” Pelosi said.

    I smell a new Good Friday and Easter Sunday in the works.

    1. Saint George Floyd, patron saint of false premise, hard drugs, and mob rule.

      1. Mostly the mob rule. Next step in social engineering complete.

        1. Mob rule as dictated from on high.
          Party rule is more accurate.
          Gonna be a lot of show trials in the USSA now

          1. It’s the only way to get the “right verdict”.

      2. Don’t forget the parable about him writing bad checks to the merchants in the temple; anti-capitalist too.

    2. It’s almost like she knows something about the circumstances surrounding his death that we don’t

      1. Maybe she’ll get to plead the Fifth?

        1. Can she plead the 750ml for extra protection?

  6. Republican Anthony Sabatini, a member of the Florida House of Representatives, described the outcome as “mob justice.”

    They did somehow manage to make Chauvin a sympathetic character.

  7. Biden Applauds Derek Chauvin Guilty Verdict

    Finally back to the way things should be, with our wise political leaders having a direct say in how court trials turn out! Because “justice”

    1. Well, he doesn’t live anywhere near any his Chicago hood anymore. He and Michelle have no reason to pander to the little people anymore.

      1. Commenting after the trial is over is fine. Doing it before the trial is over would be inappropriate.

        1. Biden did both.

  8. KHÀAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN!

    1. The Wu-Khan Clan ain’t nuttin’ ta fuck with!

  9. Students attempted to inform PoKempner why her language was out of line, but without success.

    The professor attempted to educate students, but without success.

    1. She should assign them all Huckleberry Finn

      1. Or that book by Dick Gregory — the title escapes me at the moment.

      2. I’m your huckleberry.

  10. If the Republicans decline to get behind Khan—or even deride her pro-government, pro-regulation approach—it might show that their stated opposition to Big Tech is just for show.

    Big Tech is in for some regulation.

  11. “Assuming that Khan does get confirmed, she is likely to bolster the Biden administration’s misguided efforts to rein in tech companies.”

    LOL

    The tech companies (like most other corporations, and Wall Street, and Koch-funded libertarians) want Biden in charge. The Biden Administration will do nothing that inconveniences Bezos and Zuckerberg.

    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. The Biden Administration will do nothing that inconveniences Bezos and Zuckerberg.

      Or at least, nothing substantially different than my employer burdening me with a job to do and a paycheck.

  12. “Mr. Biden will release the new goal during a virtual summit at the White House on Thursday and Friday, part of an effort to assert global leadership on climate issues amid tensions with China. The new target seeks to reduce over the next nine years emissions by 50% from levels in 2005.

    . . . . Mr. Biden has invited 40 world leaders to the event, a group that comprises European allies and some autocrats from U.S. rivals that are among the world’s biggest emitters and fossil-fuel producers, including Russian President Vladimir Putin. The White House has noted that invitees include 17 countries responsible for about 80% of all global emissions, an effort to supercharge ambitions going into negotiations scheduled for November to raise targets for reducing emissions.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-to-propose-cutting-u-s-emissions-in-half-by-2030-11619002815?

    Someone should tell Mr. Biden that treaties require the approval of two-thirds of the Senate before he can ratify them, and that can’t be changed–with or without the filibuster.

    It’s true that Biden can run over the separation of powers and institute the treaty anyway, much like Obama did with the Paris accords and the Iranian nuclear deal.

    It’s also true that the next Republican president can come into power and undo whatever Biden does just like Trump came in and undid the unconstitutional treaties Obama signed.

    Any country that actually makes concessions on climate change on the basis of an agreement that hasn’t been approved by two-thirds of the Senate is foolish to do so, which is why some countries, like Brazil, are insisting that the U.S. pay them not to destroy the Amazon up front.

    There needs to be a massive protest in Washington DC against Biden and the Democrats–the sooner the better.

    1. Look at this racist insirrectionist

    2. Maybe Pelosi’s comments will precipitate it.

    3. Biden also has a new 1 trillion dollar request after the infrastructure bill gets done. But no more mean tweets.

      1. One or two trillion a month is going to start adding up.

        1. He’ll make it up on volume.

    4. Except that when a republican president tries to undo an illeagal order they now have to jump through a bunch of procedural hoops.

    5. Biden plans to turn off the gas at home to teach China a lesson. Is Hunter getting paid in dollars or yuan these days?

  13. Former President George W. Bush criticized the modern Republican Party as “isolationist, protectionist, and to a certain extent, nativist.”

    Well, at least he’s not criticizing a sitting president.

    1. Bush is no isolationist! He was…….during Vietnam, but he changed his mind after he was to old for the draft.

    2. He worked hard on his legacy of Forever Wars.

    3. You can have a debate and persuade those who disagree about the merits of your positions or you can bitch about the plebs not following orders, George.

  14. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine rollout will resume in Europe.

    European genocide.

    1. What, have 12 unarmed Europeans been shot in the last year?

      1. They had to have arms, silly. That’s how you get the shot in.

        1. They could probably give it to you in the end if you prefer.

  15. “it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see the systemic racism.”

    Is that so?

    1. Systemic racism is like cockroaches. Even if the problem seems to follow you wherever you go, just blame it on the neighbors. In this case, the systemic racism crawls through the walls over from bordering neighboring red states. Damn racist Republicans

      1. just blame it on the neighbors

        Yep, blame on those god damned Canucks.

    2. This question is racist.

      1. As well as denying the established scientific consensus.

      2. Wendell Scott is a racist.

  16. “Former President George W. Bush criticized the modern Republican Party as ‘isolationist, protectionist, and to a certain extent, nativist.'”

    I’ve been saying for years the GOP needs to return to the early 2000s neocon era. Serious thinkers like David Frum and Bill Kristol should be setting the party’s agenda.

    Of course alt-right white nationalists will seize on the idea that neocons gave us the Iraq War. While that’s arguably true, and the war might have been a mistake, it was nowhere near as depraved as Drumpf’s draconian war on immigration.

    #LibertariansForABetterGOP
    #PutTheNeoconsBackInCharge

    1. PS — I forgot to mention that Reason.com’s editor-in-chief KMW used to work with Bill Kristol at The Weekly Standard. This demonstrates the considerable overlap between neoconservatism and Koch / Reason libertarianism.

      1. Thanks, Mr President

        1. Actually, I wasn’t even old enough to vote when Bush last ran in 2004.

          1. Will you be in 2024?

    2. I think we found out who OBL really is.

    3. “Former President George W. Bush criticized the modern Republican Party as ‘isolationist, protectionist, and to a certain extent, nativist.’”

      Former President George W. Bush is a neoconservative who took us neck deep into Iraq, and God only knows if we’ll ever get out of there.

      He’s also a socialist jackass, who expanded Medicare, when the program needed to be cut, and initiated TARP, which used our future paychecks to bail out deadbeat homeowners and Wall Street investors.

      We haven’t even started talking about the way Bush wiped his ass with the Constitution and our constitutional rights.

      If the modern GOP is being denounced by George W. Bush, then they must be doing something right!

      1. I mean, is somebody seriously hyping this as an indictment of the Republican party from a libertarian perspective?!

        That doesn’t make a bit of sense.

        1. Sounds exactly like what they said about Ron Paul in the 2000s.

          1. “Former President George W. Bush criticized the modern Republican Party as ‘isolationist, protectionist, and to a certain extent, nativist.”

            This is the kind of thing Shrike would say to us today!

            Even George W. Bush thinks you Republicans are wrong. Why don’t you listen to George W. Bush?!

            It’s something a partisan idiot would say–who didn’t know anything about Bush’s record, libertarianism, or how much libertarians’ hated George W. Bush.

            . . . unless, it was meant to show us that the GOP today must be doing a damn good job.

            Incidentally, the whole Tea Party experience was a reaction to Bush’s policies–with Obama’s being more of the same, especially on TARP and forever wars.

            If the modern GOP is total repudiation of everything George W. Bush and Obama stood for, then we have no excuse not to support them–especially as they’re the primary opposition to Biden and the Democrats, who are even more authoritarian and socialist than Dubya and the Obama.

        2. They’re both a shit sandwich.

          I’ll take “isolationist” over “militarily adventurous” any day.

          But Rs currently are protectionist. Anyone who wants to restrict voluntary exchange between willing parties can fuck off already.

          “Nativist” is just ripe for arguing all week over how to define it so I’m not even going there.

      2. Former literally Hitler says modern GOP should return to its roots and nominating more Bushes and invading more countries. I think those pesky polaks were next on the list.

    4. No, Troll, BIDENS War on Immigration

      Do try to keep up. Less Kool Aid. ITs making you stupid.

      1. It’s a parody/ sock puppet account, not to be taken seriously. It’s been doing this shtick for years.

  17. New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg: “There Could Never Be a Female Andrew Yang.”

    Transphobe.

    1. *** scratches head ***

      So, “Andrea Yin”?

          1. Jealous.

            1. IT WOULD BE ENVY, GODDAMMIT.

              1. THANK YOU

  18. At this point, any white male attempting to make a career of law enforcement is either a masochist or insane. I strongly advise finding another line of work, stat.

    1. What about the broad who cant tell her shootin iron from her bug zapper?

      1. So far, it looks like she’s gonna walk. The smart money says whatever she gets, she’ll still look lucky next to Chauvin.

        1. She deserved a harsher sentence than him, IMO

    2. Don’t blame her, her nails weren’t quite dry.

  19. A school board in Newark, New Jersey, went “nuclear” and ordered all teachers to return to classrooms by the end of the month.

    I sympathize. For years my various employers have continually insisted I show up for work.

    1. Uh, huh. And if the teachers stay hunkered down in their bunkers, what will the school board do?

    2. Just in time for the last day of school.

    3. They went nuclear… All right everyone we have 7 days left to figure this out.
      That’s like LA city council declaring an emergency due to Wuhan virus then going out to eat because the emergency didn’t start for a few days

  20. Former President George W. Bush criticized the modern Republican Party as “isolationist, protectionist, and to a certain extent, nativist.”

    A truly meaningful statement, coming from a man who did so much for the party’s reputation during his tenure.

  21. “Things are going very, very badly in India.”

    That’s unfortunate.

    However we Koch / Reason libertarians have the answer whenever things are going poorly anywhere on the planet — we simply encourage the entire population of the affected area to immigrate to the US. In this case, I’m sure India’s population of 1.39 billion would love to move here and provide cost-effective labor for billionaires like our benefactor Charles Koch.

    #OpenBordersWillFixEverything

    1. Darn right, that will fix any problems we have with surplus money!

  22. Biden Applauds Derek Chauvin Guilty Verdict

    Of course he did, because this is proof that the system works. There’s no need for reform of the system now. Or any other system, for that matter. Congress, the Justice Department, our intelligence agencies, our healthcare system or our welfare system, our elections, public education, the media, our crony capitalism – none of it is broken and none of it needs fixed. Maybe just a little tweaking, but rest assured we have Top Men in charge and you need to just trust that they know what’s best for everybody. That’s really the problem here – a lack of trust. Nobody knows how exactly the Russians convinced so many good and patriotic Americans to distrust their most sacred institutions of democracy, but perhaps this jury verdict can begin to bring this nation together in a spirit of healing, forgiveness and – most importantly – trust in their moral and intellectual superiors’ fitness to rule.

    1. ^ Mr. Skids gets it.

      1. Ding.
        No more need to fight for reforming Qualified Immunity.
        No more need to fight police unions.
        No more need to fight police records secrecy.
        The system works fine!

  23. Alt text caption: Saint Biden prays aloud, “Forgive them Father, for they know not the thing.”

    1. Really. I was going to ask if he stole St. George’s halo.

  24. Now remember, these Big Cities and their laws and crime and violence are BIG DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CITIES.

    These radical Regressive Dems screaming at the sky are CAUSING the problems.

    Create a problem, demand money to solve it. Old scam.

    Joe can play Purist while his Back Benchers, HIllary Clinton and Maxine Water-Head and “Im Better Than You, I live Behind Walls Pelosi” are the ones calling for violence.

    Keep it up, they might just GET it. in Spades, so to speak.

    Keep it up. Push the people against a wall and the Sniping will start.,

  25. WTH, if Joe Jesus?

    See the blurred out symbol in the background? Is He the new Jesus with the Orb of the Sun God revolving about his head?

    If so, does he even know who he is? Or where he is?

    1. See the blurred out symbol in the background? Is He the new Jesus with the Orb of the Sun God revolving about his head?

      They pulled that same shit with Obama all the time. They’d always photograph him with the presidential seal in the background slightly out of focus so that it looked like a halo around his head. That’s probably going to be SOP for the media from now on whenever a Democrat is president.

    2. He’s Jesus like in the show Preacher.

    3. I think Robert Plant mentions “Joe Jesus” at one point during “In My Time of Dying”.

  26. https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1384870309543690241?s=19

    “@CBSNews
    “Is justice convicting a police officer, or is justice convicting America?”: Ibram X. Kendi provides powerful insight into the trial of Derek Chauvin, and what the outcome of this single trial means in the ongoing fight to address racism at the root of the problem. [Video]”

  27. https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1384708065170124806?s=19

    The Columbus cop based on body cam footage most likely saved a girl’s life. Now go back and see what the blue checks tweeted.

    1. Bryant’s mother Paula Bryant told local TV reporter Lacey Crisp: “She was a very loving, peaceful little girl. She was 16 years old, she was a honor roll student. Ma’Khia has a motherly nature about her. She promoted peace. And that’s something that I want to always be remembered”

      1. She promoted a peace of that knife going into pinkies chest

    2. My views on the hood are consistent with my views on the middle east. Stay out of there and let them kill each other

  28. GWB – the guy who lied about WMDs in Iraq and also caused a decades long war that we lost under Biden (who voted for it).

    But yeah throw us under the bus like the bitch you are.

  29. According to Columbia’s faculty handbook, professors should “engage their students in discussions about issues that are contentious and emotionally charged” and “challenge them to reexamine deeply held beliefs.” It also notes such discussions should embrace “civility, tolerance, and respect for ideas that differ from their own.”

    Catch 22 – it is the student’s most deeply held belief that their deeply held beliefs cannot be challenged.

    1. In that case, what they wanted was a cult, not a university.

      1. Is there a difference?

        1. Well, there used to be. I think there are still some that try to be more than an activism sandbox for SJW dipshits.

  30. “Op-Ed: Why the risks of a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan outweigh the benefits”
    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-04-14/afghanistan-withdrawal-risks-counterterrorism

    ‘The US should be the world’s cop!’

    1. I’m surprised they didn’t just go with “Drumph wanted to withdraw, and anything the Orange Man Bad wanted is doubleplusungood, therefore withdrawing from Afghanistan would be teh badz. QED.”

      1. That’s just what they say behind closed doors.

  31. Biden’s speech was a disgusting mix of moral incoherence and stoking racial paranoia. That the American system of law enforcement is completely permeated with systemic racism but most cops are decent people cannot both be true. There is no evidence that Chauvin’s and the other officer’s actions that day were motivated by racial animus, rather than frustration with dealing with a prisoner suffering from drug induced panic. The idea that Biden endorsed that black people who fear for their lives because they are black is irresponsible fear mongering that will divert attention away from solutions to the actual problems with how police are trained and tactically authorized to deal with difficult situations in enforcing the law. This from a man who has spent the majority of his adult life embedded in the system and is considered the representative of its ruling class.

    1. The speech wasn’t supposed to mean anything other than be a set piece for Biden’s supposed popularity. Everything Biden says in public is presented as a confirmation of his inevitability. He was destined to make that speech, and thank God he was able to make it in the nick of time–right before his mind went completely blank.

    2. Biden’s speech was a disgusting mix of moral incoherence and stoking racial paranoia.

      Which speech was this? The one where he said he was opposed to busing because he didn’t want his kids growing up in a racial jungle? That was like 45 years ago, I’m sure he’s changed his tune since then.

    3. This from a man who has spent the majority of his adult life embedded in the system and is considered the representative of its ruling class.

      And don’t forget he was also one of the chief architects of some of the worst policies of that system (the 1994 Crime Bill, mandatory minimums, the sentencing disparity between crack* and powder cocaine to name just a few).

      *Kind of ironic that crack is apparently his son’s drug of choice. You’d think at some point the old man would have sat him down and told him “Now son, if you want to powder your nose and ‘party’ once in a while that’s OK. Lord knows your old man, ‘Diamond Joe’ has enjoyed a bump or two while partying at a Night Ranger concert in his day, but stick to the powder stuff, not that crack shit the jungle bunnies smoke! ‘Crack is whack!'”

  32. New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg: “There Could Never Be a Female Andrew Yang.”

    New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg is a racist.

    1. You misspelled sexist – – – – – – – –

    2. New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg is a racist.

      Sounds like she’s also a sexist telling womxn what they can’t do just because of their gender. /sarc

  33. Former President George W. Bush criticized the modern Republican Party as “isolationist, protectionist, and to a certain extent, nativist.”

    So has CNN decided that Bush isn’t a literal Hitler after all, the same way they decided John McCain and Mitt Romney weren’t so bad after all? I wonder what brought on that change of heart? What new facts have they learned to make them change their minds?

    1. Just when they thought the Republicans couldn’t get any worse, they digged down further.

      That’s about it. I wonder what Hitler fascist they’ll put forward in 2024 and beyond. We’ll probably look at Trump more favorably then too just by virtue of association.

      1. I wonder what Hitler fascist they’ll put forward in 2024

        But Schumer, Pelosi, Buttigig, Clinton, Harris, AOC, Bernie, etc. aren’t Republicans.

      2. Yes, sure, Bush killed tons of people globally. But he likes open borders so he’s all thumbs up now.

        Fuck that useless family.

  34. https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1384853005456056322?s=19

    Now im straight saying ok, abolish police and leftists still sliding into my replies angry about it

    pick one, cops should have stopped Ma’Khia stabbing that chic, watched and done nothing, or abolish police so they weren’t there at all

  35. https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1384724862237806595?s=19

    We’ve got a real problem in this country with all of these vultures and hyenas running around trying to exploit every death they possibly can regardless of what the actual facts are.

    There is some serious evil out here operating under the guise of social justice

    1. His name is SleepyJoe.

    2. Social justice has always been evil in disguise.

      1. Historical social justice movements:

        KKK
        Communism
        Nazism

        All were movements explicitly for social justice as defined by their team. They had no other argument but their message of social justice.

        1. The Eradication of the Savages
          The Colonization/Balkanization of Africa
          The Inquisition
          The Crusades (at least the portion retconned to ‘convert by the sword’ anyway)

          It’s bizarre to look at the vast sweep of The West’s history, decry the domestication of savage peoples by force as the greatest evil which eclipses any/all good that may’ve come from it, and then faithfully recreate it.

    3. Yep. There will be another reason to riot tomorrow or the next day, so all this capitulation will gain them nothing at all.

    4. CIA or Chinese version of it, plus some grifters and hustlers.

  36. Nice to have a sane and good man as president again.

    Beats the piss out of the old one, who remarkably is just about as shitty as all the commenters here.

    1. Irony much?

    2. Beats the piss out of the old one, who remarkably is just about as shitty as all the commenters here.

      Lol, talk about a self-own.

    3. “who remarkably is just about as shitty as all the commenters here”

      But White Knight and sarcasmic swear they never start shit here.

      1. And then you go and mention me in reply to a comment I didn’t make, on a website I am just now getting around to visiting.

        You need to think about why you think about me so much.

  37. https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1384621133836681220?s=19

    Look, reasonable doubt is supposed to be the standard. It is supposed to prevent innocent people from being punished. The logic is that it is better to err on the side of innocence. As Ben Franklin said, it is better that 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man suffer.

    No honest person can possibly look at the facts of this case and say there is no reasonable doubt. It isn’t possible. I have my own opinions about what actually happened but REASONABLE DOUBT is all that’s required. Guilt must be proved BEYOND it. That didn’t happen.

    I hope people would agree that it is an egregious miscarriage of justice to convict someone of a crime where reasonable doubt is present.

    I’m sure it will be appealed and I hope, overturned

    Just like you cannot fight racism with racism, you cannot fight injustice with injustice

    1. There’s no reason to cling to outdated myths about how our justice system is supposed to work. Not as long as Hillary Clinton continues to breathe free air at any rate.

      1. Justice is a wonderful thing to talk about, but in the real world of 21st century politics it’s just not very practical.

    2. Nardz….The jury answered the question on reasonable doubt.

      This now moves to sentencing, and appeals.

      1. So did Nazi and Soviet and Jim Crow juries

        1. The analogy, particularly to the nazis, is a poor one. I’ve been reading your comments for a long time now. We agree on a lot, Nardz. But please drop the nazi reference – it just doesn’t fit. You don’t need Godwin’s Law to make your point.

          Chauvin is guilty. He is certainly guilty of manslaughter, and quite probably of third degree murder. All the other charges are just the prosecution stacking up charges to get a conviction of any kind.

          All the points you made will certainly be brought up on appeal. Personally, I feel that Congresswoman Waters crossed the line from advocacy to outright intimidation. POTUS Biden was not much better. The prosecution should be sanctioned for their behavior relative to discovery. And the settlement on the eve of the trial certainly influenced the jury.

          1. You are way the fuck off, dude.
            Your position that nothing is comparable to the nazis because you’re Jewish is incredibly racist.
            Grow up.

            1. There are a few things comparable to what the nazis did. This trial is not one of them. That is my point, Nardz.

              1. The nazis certainly had comparable trials, which is the point.
                Just because a totalitarian regime dresses up their demonstration of power with a jury doesn’t mean the jury’s decision is independent of the Party’s dictates.

    3. The piggy’s going to jail, he’s going to get quite the welcome from the other inmates I’m sure. More piggies need to be thrown in jail for their abuses. Fuck the pigs.

      1. Lol

        I hope the leftists get the abolition of police, because police are the only thing keeping them alive.

      2. Keep applauding abuse of prisoners from other prisoners within the prison system. It shows just how civilized you truly are.

        Of course in reality he’ll be in protective custody, it still ceases to amaze me how many people think it’s cool or great that prisoners get abused while in prison. It takes a pretty worthless individual to think of this as a high point of the US legal system.

    4. Hell, the prosecution having three different theories about why Floyd died is reasonable doubt.

      1. No reasonable doubt, the pig had his knee on Floyd’s throat even after he said he couldn’t breathe, even after he had passed out. It shows a reckless disregard for human life. The pig’s getting exactly what he deserves.

        1. ‘Cause sarc had a bad day
          He’s drinking one down
          He’ll make a shitpost to try and turn it around
          He say you don’t know
          But he’s telling a lie
          He guzzled a fifth, and then he went for a drive
          He had a bad day
          Breathalyzers don’t lie
          He’s logging back on, and raging inside
          He had a bad day
          He had a bad day

          1. *golf clap*

          2. Damn it mother’s! You mentioned brethalizers now the squirrel is going to talk about plastic flutes and link his insane thought to nothingness

    5. I hope people would agree that it is an egregious miscarriage of justice to convict someone of a crime where reasonable doubt is present.

      Theories and reasonable doubt aside, my 14-yr.-old asked me the Trillion Dollar Question yesterday: They found him guilty of Murder 2, Murder 3, and Manslaughter 2… How many people did he kill?

    6. There is a single fact that is undeniably true in everything that happened that day. Floyd died while being restrained by Chauvin.

      The only reasonable doubt is that Floyd may have died anyway. If so, then Chauvin neglected to render aid to a dying man and prevented others from doing so. His only defense is ignorance, which would certainly not be sufficient to acquit anyone who wasn’t authorized to arrest Floyd. Why should police get special treatment?

      Arguing ‘officer safety’ and ‘what a reasonable officer would do’ is fallacious and this jury refused to accept such excuses, as is its duty. Whatever case they could cite where a restrained suspect subsequently injured police or bystanders is immaterial to the facts presented here. Floyd was not faking. Floyd could talk, but couldn’t get oxygen. This is something that people authorized to put their knee on another person’s chest should know.

      This is not injustice. It is accountability.

      1. They never proved that Chauvin caused Floyd’s death.
        The lack of evidence of physical trauma is enough for reasonable doubt on murder.
        Manslaughter is a reasonable verdict, despite The State changing their assertion of the mechanism of Floyd’s demise 3 times during the trial.
        And even if the evidence did support conviction on all counts, the manner in which the trial was conducted with the influence of outside factors delegitimizes the whole thing.
        I dislike Chauvin, don’t think he should’ve still been employed as a cop, and think what he did was wrong.
        But the evidence doesn’t support conviction for murder.
        What we just witnessed wasn’t accountability, it was a Soviet style show trial with a decision dictated by The Party.
        This is a real bad road to go down.
        This bodes very poorly for Kyle Rittenhouse’s chances of receiving a fair trial.

        1. This is a real bad road to go down.
          This bodes very poorly for Kyle Rittenhouse’s chances of receiving a fair trial.

          This.

          Many well-intentioned people are saying “well, at least there won’t be any riots!” without realizing it will actually be worse in the long run because now the media and BLM know their tactics work for any future trial outcome that they want to influence. I can’t judge the jury members too much because I know the tremendous pressure and threats they felt. But the decision to cave to it is still wrong.

          1. I agree with this as well. “There won’t be any riots,” would be a horrible reason to convict someone. Hopefully that is not what happened, but the jury is not prohibited from rendering an unjust verdict, just as they are not prohibited from nullification.

            He will get his chance to appeal.

        2. This bodes very poorly for Kyle Rittenhouse’s chances of receiving a fair trial.

          I agree vehemently agree.

          But… Floyd worked as a bouncer. If he had restrained a guy trying to pass counterfeit $20s until police showed up and that person died, despite bystanders telling him the guy was dying and offering to help, what would prosecutors have charged him with? Would they get a conviction?

          If a police officer was at the site of an arson and shot a person who charged at him, retreated, shot a person who pursued him, retreated further, and shot a person while being assaulted, what would prosecutors charge him with? Would they get a conviction?

          Not treating Chauvin any differently from the person who died in his custody is accountability. Hopefully, they can empanel a jury for Rittenhouse that will be able to see that citizens have an equal right to protect life and liberty that police do.

          1. That’s a nice wish, but I really don’t think that’s the lesson that’s going to come out of this.
            The State emerges more powerful and more unaccountable than it was before.

            1. Longer reply below (I was busy all day). But I don’t understand how convicting an agent of the state makes the state less accountable.

              1. The State through an agent of the state under the bus to demonstrate Party dominance, and the way they conducted the trial was exactly how they’d do it in the Soviet Union. They can spy on you, rig elections, and condemn you in a show trial – and they don’t care who knows it.
                Open your eyes.

        3. They took a page from the movie “clue” that is what could have happened, but how about this, but here’s what really happened

          1. You mean the defense, right? Because there is a video of Chauvin kneeling on a man while he is alive and not moving until after he is dead. The burden really was on the defense in this case to prove that Floyd died from something other than what everyone could see with their own eyes. They failed to prove a drug overdose managed to kill him coincidentally at the same time Chauvin was gently restraining him face-down on the pavement while handcuffed behind his back.

            In his century, John Adams would have had to argue that Floyd was killed by a witch to get Chauvin acquitted. Ironic, because they killed witches by pressing heavy weight on their chest until they were dead.

            1. “The burden really was on the defense in this case to prove that Floyd died from something other than what everyone could see with their own eyes. They failed to prove”

              This argument is nothing but State supremacism.
              The defense, in the legal system as designed, doesn’t have to prove anything.
              You’re arguing against presumption of innocence.
              The State changed their story 3 times during the trial.

              1. This argument is nothing but State supremacism.

                It is certainly not an overt argument for it, as that is not my intention, but I can see that the language I used could be confusing.

                Again, there is no question that Chauvin restrained the guy until he was dead. The video shows Chauvin kneeling on the guy continuously for 7 minutes before he expires and then for an additional 2 minutes. The prosecution provided testimony that the methods of restraint were the cause of Floyd’s death. If the defense cannot rebut the restraint as the proximate cause of death, the jury is justified in convicting. The argument for reasonable doubt, that Floyd was dying anyway, is irrelevant. Hastening an inevitable death is no less murder.
                That is what I meant by they had something to prove.

                Notice that my argument is being clarified, not changed. I am not claiming you misunderstood me, as I am not arguing deceptively. Please don’t be like those guys and make this an us v. them thing. A citizen was killed by an agent of the state who should know better. This level of accountability is a positive outcome for the citizens, not an increase in the power of an unaccountable state.

                1. You’re praising Soviet style jurisprudence.

                  1. And it’s utterly amazing that you can take the position you’re taking as the decision not to even charge Ashli Babbit”s killer comes at the same time.

                  2. Sigh, really?

                    Not that I expect you to follow my positions, but I have been arguing that Ashli Babbitt was executed. I agree wholehearted that the difference is purely political.

                  3. You’re praising Soviet style jurisprudence.

                    That would be ridiculous even if it were true. In the Soviet Union, they tortured suspects. And nobody argued their innocence as they only made it to the judge if they were ready to confess. You are marginalizing how bad conditions were in the USSR with that claim.

                    You could have gone with a British Star Chamber, but personally, I would have drawn the comparison to the farcical political trials of the Great Terror. Lefties hate it when you use the actual legacy of democratic socialism against them. Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite, and off with your head.

                    I notice you have quit arguing facts and are now just waving unjustified accusations around. You might not want to base your style of argument on what John would do if he were still around. I can see that we are not going to agree that the prosecution proved its case. I am willing to call it a day.

  38. I’m sorry, but if corporations aren’t people, then systems can’t be racist. QED.

    1. I find it more odd how all of the systems required for “Systemic racism” are run by the Left.

  39. Columbia’s faculty handbook … also notes such discussions should embrace “civility, tolerance, and respect for ideas that differ from their own.”

    Yeah, how’s that working out?

    Adam Steinbaugh of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education urged Columbia to refrain from punishing PoKempner. “… an investigation or punishment by the university would be a marked departure from its commitment to academic freedom.”

    That’s assuming they have a commitment to academic freedom. I see no evidence of that. Not for Columbia or any other university.

  40. Biden Applauds Derek Chauvin Guilty Verdict, Condemns Violent ‘Agitators and Extremists’

    Did he specifically name Maxine?

  41. https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1384626733991620610?s=19

    Democrat Nancy Pelosi thanks George Floyd for being killed [video]

    1. “His sacrifice became our road to power”

      1. “How many black men does it take to pave a driveway?”
        “3 if you spread them thin enough.” – Pelosi

        1. I’m ashamed at how hard I laughed at that. Or at least I would be if I was capable of feeling shame.

          1. We’re talking about George Floyd sacrificing himself, it’s an anti-racist joke. It’s OK not to feel any shame.

  42. “Biden applauded the verdict and said that George Floyd’s death was “murder in full light of day, and it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see the systemic racism.”

    Well that’s a frightening thing to hear emanating from America’s throne.

    Yes Chauvin was a thug that deserved jail, but upping the change to murder was overtly political.
    Then the witness box was stuffed with fellow perpetrators covering their asses.
    Then politicians began intimidating the jury.
    Then Minnesota newspapers began doxxing the jury.

    The process was a joke.
    It’s a lynching, a kangaroo court and political theatre.

    And because the accused was a piece of shit who contributed to Floyd’s death, we can all just shrug our shoulders at a naked display of political power by the coup junta over justice.

    Every libertarian in America should be scared shitless by what happened here.

    1. “Biden applauded the verdict and said that George Floyd’s death was “murder in full light of day, and it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see the systemic racism.”

      But we will never tell you who murdered Ashli E. Babbitt in the full light of day, because she was only white.

      1. It’s got nothing to do with white or black, stroking racial discord is just one of the Democrats tools to obtain power. If Babbit was a black woman they’d be ignoring her death just as hard.

        The real battle right now is between the White upper-class elite and the Davos crowd attacking the working class with the intention of disenfranchising it.

        Racial strife is just one of the weapons, and they’ll abandon minority issues the second their no longer useful.

        Americans need to be more aware of who their real enemies are and to stop focusing on the proxies.

        1. Youre spitting into the wind. The elite\CIA have successfully driven anti-white racism to keep us separated. This has directly led to increased anti black racism. I dont expect the narrative drivers (whoever they may be) to stop until theyre forced to. I have a feeling we’ll see state sanctioned segregation return in the next 20 years.

          1. Separated for safety.

          2. I have a feeling we’ll see state sanctioned segregation return in the next 20 years.

            Chicago Public Schools have been effectively seggregated for at least 20 yrs.

    2. The government egregiously violates people’s rights constantly, day in, day out. Untold thousands of innocent people are languishing in America’s hellhole jails as we type. But some dumbass old politicians commenting on a trial, where the outcome was already obvious, is a bridge too far? THAT is what we are supposed to be “scared shitless” about?

      Bullshit. It’s just another stupid political cudgel for you Team Red and Team Blue partisans to beat each other over the head with.

      1. Neo-libertarians.

        ‘Neo’ because they rejected classical liberalism? No.
        ‘Neo’ because they’ve effectively adopted the Neoconservative position? No.

        Neo because they believe they’ve transcended the matrix and recognize ‘there is no cudgel’.

      2. “The government egregiously violates people’s rights constantly, day in, day out. Untold thousands of innocent people are languishing in America’s hellhole jails as we type.”

        Wherever did you see me say that this was okay, retard? This isn’t a fucking either/or situation. Just because this is horrible, doesn’t mean that can’t be horrible to.
        You’ve really internalized the exclusionary agitprop, huh.

        “But some dumbass old politicians commenting on a trial, where the outcome was already obvious, is a bridge too far? THAT is what we are supposed to be “scared shitless” about?”

        Yes, you stupid fuck. A thousand times yes.
        If you don’t understand how dangerous this is, you’re beyond help.

  43. i like biden, support from india.

    1. Biden is a senile puppet, and go fuck yourself.

    2. Shikha’s not here, man!

  44. A school board in Newark, New Jersey, went “nuclear” and ordered all teachers to return to classrooms by the end of the month.

    Note: this is Newark, California, not Newark, New Jersey…

    1. I didn’t see that until you pointed it out. I was about to say that if Newark (NJ) only had 253 teachers, it would explain a lot.

  45. https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1384835059010740225?s=19

    The Chauvin verdict will not appease the extremists

    It just proves to them they were right

    “Police officer attacked by Antifa in Portland last night
    [Video]”

  46. https://twitter.com/ScottFishman/status/1384723207773507586?s=19

    The left thinks there’s so much systemic racism because so many of them are racists.

    1. The left (particulary the wealthy, white part) is a cesspool of “those people” racism.

      1. Half of their neighbors are chinese or Indian, and they have hispanics in their homes almost daily. They cant possibly be racists.

        1. Carlos and Juanita were very appreciative of their Christmas bonus this year. I hope that they spend that fifty dollars on something fun.
          It’s doing things like that which demonstrates my commitment to Latinx success in America.

        2. And they don’t know anybody who voted for Trump.

          I love Puerto Ricans and negroes
          As long as they don’t move next door
          So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

          Phil Ochs was a communist, be he was right.

  47. https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1384663543522365440?s=19

    Here are a dozen “journalists” taking a picture of one guy with his arm out. We are in a poorly produced reality show.
    [Video]

    1. Oh, what a relief, he has a raised arm with a clenched fist, I was actually worried it would be a guy with a raised arm and an open palm facing downward.

    2. Is it a man? Looks like a woman to me. Despite the track suit and tennis shoes, it’s pretty clear it isn’t Tommie Smith or John Carlos, that’s for sure.

      1. The tits are the giveaway. Rubin is gay, so maybe he doesn’t notice those things.

    3. that dude’s Tommie Smith is terrible

  48. Now that we decisively ended systemic racism by convicting Chauvin, we can all get back to finding Nicole Brown Simpson’s killer(s).

  49. New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg: “There Could Never Be a Female Andrew Yang.”

    TRANSPHOBIC!!!!!!!!!

  50. ‘There are those who will seek to exploit the raw emotions of the moment, agitators and extremists who have no interest in social justice, who seek to carry out violence, destroy property, and fan the flames of hate and division, who do everything in their power to stop this country’s march toward racial justice.’

    He added, ‘Kamala will help raise bail money for them.’

  51. BIDEN TOO OLD!

    (Peanut Gallery in unison)

    1. Biden is youthful and fresh with undescended testicles and a penis the size of a peanut. I love peanuts.

      1. Biden is the youngest president in history… or was it the oldest…

        He’s a record breaker anyway.

      2. I love peanuts.

        All peanuts equally or do you have a favorite?

        1. He loves the 7-year-old peanuts best, but he thinks any underage peanuts can be… appealing.

        2. His favorite is Linus. He carried a baby blanket with him, and that feeds into SPB’s child porn fanfic.

  52. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1384678042983874563?s=19

    Antifa is now taking credit for the Chauvin conviction due to their ‘courageous’ public terrorism campaign last year and calling for further violent attacks against law enforcement [link]

  53. >>the systemic racism

    Citizens United ended systems?

  54. Some of you who are more knowledgeable about these things than I am, please explain: when that monumental hoard of brazen idiots flooded comments last night, where did they come from and what was that about?

    I don’t remember the last time I saw so many profoundly stupid people flood into comments at the same time saying the same stupid things. And they seemed to wear their stupidity like a badge of honor.

    Actually, I do remember. Circa 2004, I once wrote a comment here to the effect that I was tried of hearing about how the reason for persisting in the Iraq War was for the benefit of the Iraqis. I said that the lives of our troops (not to mention our earnings) were too precious to be squandered for the benefit of people in other countries. If you want to explain to me why “liberating” the Iraqis is in the best interests of American security, I’m all ears. American taxpayers and American troops, however, are NOT here for the benefit of other people in other countries. If you can’t make an argument that occupying Iraq is in the best interests of the American people, then we should get out.

    Apparently, someone over at Instapundit read the comment; they linked it; a deluge of commenters flooded the room (what they used to call an “instalanche” back then); and the average IQ in the room dropped below room temperature.

    I was considered a Bush basher back then by Bush backing regulars, here, at the time, but these Republicans flooded in to call me a racist for not being willing to sacrifice our money and American lives for the benefit of the Iraqis. It was the stupidest thread I’d ever seen–right up until yesterday.

    My God, those people from yesterday were dumb. Where did they come from? Is it the same place as Shrike, Tony, ChemJeff, and White Knight? Who linked us?

    1. You keep getting your ass handed to you when you try to defend conservative orthodoxy.

      Us classic liberals will always win. Try reading ‘Why I am not a conservative’ by Hayek.

      1. classic liberals
        You misspelled warmongering neocon.

        1. If he’s a classic liberal, I’m a Nobel prize winning economist from Austria.

    2. They all seemed to be infected with the same special kind of stupid–proud of their imperviousness to facts and logic. I know there must be progressives out there who aren’t completely stupid, but I don’t think I’ve ever run into one online–at least not in comments. I’m beginning to suspect you have to be stupid to believe the things these people believe.

      Maybe that’s why people like Greenwald, Matthew Yglesias, and Andrew Sullivan left the mainstream media and moved to Substack–because the progressives that read mainstream media are too fucking stupid to understand what they’re reading.

      You know how Star Trek gets made fun of because the characters explain everything they’re doing–as they do it–because it’s a mainstream show and half the audience is of below average intelligence and wouldn’t understand what was happening if they didn’t do that? Well, I think that’s the state of progressive media. If you diverge from the standard plot line, they don’t understand what’s happening. They’re like children with severe cases of progressive autism. If you break the routine, they’re gonna throw a fit.

      That comes across as really stupid and creepy.

      Back in the day, the People’s Unification Church (“The Moonies”) used to hassle people in the parking lot of the airport for change. They were creepy for a number of reasons, but you’d also wonder–what’s wrong with them that they devote their lives to hassling people at the airport for change? I don’t think anybody ever learned anything from a Moonie at the airport–except that the Moonies were creepy and stupid.

      What motivates people like Shrike, Tony, ChemJeff and White Knight and those idiots from yesterday to hassle people at the airport, and why would their handlers want them to fan out across the internet and make progressives seem creepy and dumb–like a cult victim in the parking lot at the airport? I’d like to know. Where are they coming from? Who linked us last night and why?

      1. from last night:
        Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2
        April.20.2021 at 10:47 pm
        Ashli Babbitt attacked the USA much like the 9/11 hijackers did.

        Mother’s Lament
        April.20.2021 at 10:55 pm
        Because an unarmed woman trespassing is just like men flying passenger jets full of screaming people into skyscrapers?

        SPB2 apparently took the short bus in high school.

        Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2
        April.20.2021 at 11:00 pm
        Their goal was the same. Destroy liberal democracy.

        Ken Shultz
        April.20.2021 at 11:04 pm
        You’re a fucking moron.

        Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2
        April.20.2021 at 11:10 pm
        I am precisely correct and you cannot rebut my statement.

        All right-wingers like yourself and your Muslim/Christo-fascist Aborto-Freak slime brothers want to control others with your authoritarianism.

        Like Ayn Rand said “Conservatism (Ronald Reagan) is an enemy of freedom”.

        Conservatives suck ass.

        1. Can anybody else explain why this is here and what it’s supposed to mean?

          1. reads like an alleged example of you getting your ass handed to you because you defended conservative orthodoxy?

            1. All I said is that Shrike is a fucking moron.

              I wasn’t necessarily defending anything but Matthew 7:6.

              “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine”

              —-Matthew 7:6

              Whatever chance there was that Shrike might show he was a reasonable person who cared whether he was right or wrong about anything was laid to rest years ago.

              I’ll rationally engage with trolls, as I did in the thread last night, until I’m convinced they’re completely lost to facts and reason. Shrike wore that out so long ago, it’s ridiculous.

              1. >>All I said is that Shrike is a fucking moron.

                was funny.

          2. Ken, you defend Babbitt and Trump simply because they are Team Red. It is a reflex with you.

            1/6 was a terrorist attack on the US system of democracy.

            Destroy liberal democracy.

            Terrorists are terrorists. Whether Tim Mcvey or Osama bin Laden.

            1. Or Weather Underground, FALN, Resistance Conspiracy, or James Hodgkinson.

              1. Or BLM… or Antifa… or the KKK… or any of the other Democratic party paramilitary fielded over the years.

            2. Shrike apparently missed all the threads, like the one from yesterday (again), that made the case about how the coverage of the Capitol riot was a farce and how defending the shooting of an unarmed protester for trespassing on public property is morally bankrupt.

              But we shouldn’t miss the fact that after years and years of having his irrational thinking exposed every day, Shrike still can’t stop himself from stupidly walking into another ad hominem.

              Here’s the thing, Shrike: Shooting Ashli Babbitt was wrong or right regardless of whether I defend them because they’re team red. Even if I were defending the principle because she was team red, the principle that defending the shooting of unarmed protesters because they’re trespassing on public property is morally bankrupt anyway.

              We know that, and we’ve known it since Aristotle pointed it out 2,500 years ago. Every day for 10 years, you’ve seen someone either make or get called out for an ad hominem fallacy, and you still don’t understand what that means–or why it means that you’re wrong. The simplest explanation for that is that you’re not a very intelligent person, Shrike.

              Here, prove me wrong:

              “You attacked your opponent’s character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.”

              https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

              Read that. Learn it. See if you can manage to avoid smearing that shit all over your own face in the future. I doubt you can. Pointing it out has never worked before. Why would it stick the 5,453rd time? It is reasonable to conclude that maybe you’re not smart enough to avoid common fallacies–not even after they’ve been spelled out for you. But, please, prove me wrong! Avoid making those stupid arguments in the future. I dare you.

              Oh, and just in case you’re confused by this, I’m not saying that the reason it’s morally bankrupt to defending the shooting of an unarmed protester for trespassing on public property is because you’re intellectually limited. I’m saying that the reason there’s no point in engaging with you, personally, in these arguments is because you can’t even grasp simple concepts like the ad hominem fallacy–despite it being explained to you hundreds of times over the course of years.

        2. Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2
          April.20.2021 at 11:10 pm
          I am precisely correct and you cannot rebut my statement.

          Meanwhile, a four minutes earlier…

          Mother’s Lament
          April.20.2021 at 11:06 pm
          So it doesn’t matter to you whether they hurt or killed anyone. Just what you imagine their political goals to be.

          That’s so fucked.

          Here’s the thread: https://reason.com/2021/04/20/jurors-could-not-believe-that-a-reasonable-officer-would-have-done-what-derek-chauvin-did/#comment-8865780

          Buttplug selectively chose posts because… well, did you ever expect him to be honest?

      2. I was wondering what that was too. I would guess it was Kar, wk, and/or possibly sarc creating a bunch of names and responding to themselves

        1. It was almost instantaneous.

          It may have been some fucked up person’s Twitter feed.

          1. It seemed there were more right wing trolls than lefties, but I wasn’t counting.
            I gave up because the white wing trolls. The FentyFloydGotStomped was just being a douche.

            I guess medical experts saying Floyd didn’t OD, but other unrelated cases have resulted in ODs is reasonable doubt to you.

            I guess the jury didn’t see it that way

            1. The FentyFloydGotStomped was just being a douche.

              lol – if anyone, and I mean anyone is qualified in spotting a douche it has to be you, having so much practice being one.

        2. Nope. I’ve been really busy today and this is the first time I’m visiting the Reason site.

    3. The only online political forum I’ve ever hung out at is Reason, since we’ll before 2004.

  55. former president George W. Bush can suck a lemon.

    1. He was beloved by conservatives 2001-2009 despite his anti-gay, trillion dollar deficits, big spending Medicare Welfare programs, TARP, downpayment giveaway to homeowners, and financial collapse.

      I posted here then. People like Ken defended him 24/7.

      1. I wasn’t here until maybe 2014 so I only complained about W at the site I commented on. Dallas is barely big enough for the both of us.

        1. TARP was largely Bush’s creation, and the Tea Party rose up against both him and Obama. The Tea Party then set their minds to eliminating practically every Republican who supported him–up to and including John Boehner, the Speaker of the House.

          Mitch McConnell managed to survive the Tea Party by making a deal with Rand Paul. McConnell’s friends in the state legislature back in Kentucky would make it so Rand Paul could run for president without resigning as Senator, and Rand Paul would do what he could to protect McConnell from the Tea Party in Kentucky.

          The only other survivors of note were in such deeply Republican territory and had their feet so firmly planted in the establishment soil, they couldn’t be pushed out. John McCain was one of those and Liz Cheney was another. They were mostly neocons, and they became the Never Trumpers.

          All the other vestiges of the Bush era Republicans establishment were washed away by conservative forces at the level of the Republican grass roots. In short, George W. Bush was not a conservative in the mold of Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan. George W. Bush was a southern Democrat in the mold of another Texan–Lyndon Johnson. Bush expanded Medicare a la Johnson’s expansion of social services during the Great Society, and Bush indulged in wars of liberation, just like Johnson did in Vietnam.

          The South invaded the Republican party during the Reagan administration and started acting like they owned the place, but another way of saying the same thing is that the Democratic party completely abandoned the South. It doesn’t mean that the South stopped being the way it was. George W. Bush would fit into the mold of Lyndon Johnson or Bill Clinton before Reagan became president. In terms of policy, George W. Bush was a southern Democrat in all but name.

          Goldwater and Reagan would have denounced him.

          1. >>TARP

            was the end of me biting my tongue about the Bushies since “Read My Lips” …whole family it totally (D) in (R) clothing.

          2. George W. Bush was a southern Democrat in the mold of another Texan–Lyndon Johnson.

            Bush might have talked like a Texan, but it’s more accurate to say that he was closer to the Rockefeller Republican wing like his daddy. His position was due to both the pervasiveness of the neocons within the party’s upper structures by that time, along with Jeb shitting the bed when Chiles beat him in the Florida governor’s race. If Jeb had won that, he would have run for President, not Dubya, because he was considered the more polished and policy-aware of the two.

            Goldwater and Reagan would have denounced him.

            Goldwater and Reagan wouldn’t have liked the current iteration of the GOP, but in the big picture their careers show the decades-long conflict between the party’s northeastern/Beltway, “go along to get along” wing of the party versus the populist wing. Both individuals were far more confrontational and nationalistic, and were labeled as extremists by the press at the time.

            1. The defining characteristics of George Bush’s presidency were the Iraq War, the expansion of Medicare, and TARP.

              The defining characteristics of Johnson’s presidency were his expansion of the Vietnam War and the Great Society.

              Both Bush’s and Johnson’s justifications for their wars were about helping poor unfortunates abroad. Both Bush’s and Johnson’s justifications for their expansions of the welfare state were about helping poor unfortunates at home.

              In those ways, their policies and the justifications for them were so similar to be almost the same–even if, in one case, Johnson was saving the poor unfortunates from communism and Bush, in the other case, was saving the poor unfortunates from radical Islam.

              Goldwater’s revolutionary contribution to Republicanism was the belief that the threat of communism was so great and such a global threat, that it was necessary for the Republicans to abandon their isolationism. However, he wasn’t saying that the point was to save the unfortunates of the world from communism. He was saying that in order to serve the best interests of the United States, we should take our fight against communism global. Reagan’s pragmatism was driven by that kind of rational self-interest–whether he was backing Pinochet or retreating from Lebanon.

              That is different from what Johnson and Bush were doing.

              Those who came up while Reagan was defeating communism with pragmatism opposed the neocon invasion of Iraq from Brent Scowcroft on down.

              https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2007/04/donald-rumsfeld-iraq-war

    2. former president George W. Bush can suck a lemon.

      That’s how Edsels were described.

      1. I’ve been watching early Price is Rights on buzzr or gsn on Saturday mornings they’re always giving away Edsels … usually in pairs

        1. Are you sure? Usually Dagmars came in pairs.

  56. So Biden believes that Minneapolis which has been run by Democrats for 50 years is systemically racist? So Democrats are the racists.

    1. This is the gaping hole in their logic, and why I laugh my ass off when the mayor joins the protests. THEY ARE PROTESTING YOU AND YOUR POLICIES.

  57. The last item in Quick Hits should read Newark CA, not NJ.

  58. >>The Johnson & Johnson vaccine rollout will resume in Europe.

    if the baby powder doesn’t get you the vaccines will.

    1. Lawyer Inc. is now rehearsing it’s new ad campaign.
      “Have you or a loved one died or been harmed by (product name here)?
      Let us help you help us get the compensation we deserve.”

      1. “Hello I’m Gina and this is Spokesperson ROB”

  59. Sleepy Joe’s puppet masters admit that everyone getting vaccinated still won’t bring things back to normal:

    ‘If we let up now and stop being vigilant,’ he said, ‘we’re never going to get back to celebrate our independence from this virus on July 4 with family and friends in small groups.’

    LOL, this nigga. If the vaccine actually works, it shouldn’t matter if it’s “small groups” or the entire fucking city. If you have to keep the limits on, then your vaccine isn’t reliable.

    Besides the fact if you’ve already had the coof, what’s the fucking point of getting the vaccine if these assholes aren’t going to drop every single one of their stupid restrictions? Why should anyone bother?

    Promise us that every single one of these restrictions will be dropped when their arbitrary vaccination mark is hit, and you’ll see resistance to getting it plummet. But as long as they are going to hedge and hem and haw, then you might as well blow it off. No point in getting an experimental vaccine that’s basically being beta-tested right now if it doesn’t result in getting us back to pre-March 2020 social interaction levels and elimination of mask rules.

  60. It was a pretty great day here with the commentariat until SPB2 showed up.

    raspberry and KAR couldnt muster anything but a pathetic single drive-by each. No SQRs or WK

    1. The non-fascists have lives so they can’t monitor the comments on here 24/7 like you incels do.

    2. Hi.

  61. I hope some of you people get what you want. I will be laughing.

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