Labor Unions

Stop the Steal? Organized Labor Can't Accept Loss in Amazon Unionization Election.

The pro-union left agrees with the MAGA right: If you can't beat 'em, claim they cheated.

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It was a high-stakes election with big political implications for the country, one that came at the end of a bruising campaign that attracted a lot of media attention. When all the votes were counted, there was a clear winner. But the losing side refused to concede, alleging that their defeat was the result of unfair or even illegal conduct by the winner—and calling for government officials to review and perhaps even overturn the results.

I'm describing, of course, last week's union certification election at an Amazon distribution center in Alabama.

Workers at the Bessemer, Alabama, warehouse voted by a margin greater than two-to-one against joining the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union (RWDSU). It was a sound rejection of the weeks-long campaign to establish the first-ever unionized workforce at an Amazon facility.

Even before all the votes had been counted, the head of the union was calling the election unfair.

Once the votes were counted, the size of the RWDSU's defeat became apparent—the union lost by more than 1,000 votes in an election in which 3,215 votes were cast. This wasn't a narrow defeat that left the will of the voters somewhat inconclusive. It was a thorough rout.

Unless you were on the losing side, of course.

"We won't let Amazon's lies, deception, and illegal activities go unchallenged, which is why we are formally filing charges against all of the egregious and blatantly illegal actions taken by Amazon during the union vote," RWDSU chief Stuart Applebaum said in a statement shortly after the vote was finalized. The union plans to appeal to the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB).

While the (union) president raged and threatened lawsuits, his supporters in the media lobbed accusations of voter fraud and other conspiracy theories.

"How do more than 2,000 workers sign union cards at Amazon's Alabama plant but only 700 vote yes? And why did only half of workers vote when 3/4 normally vote in such elections? Try examining employer intimidation," tweeted Juan Gonzalez, co-host of the progressive radio show Democracy Now.

Given the similarities between the union's reaction to the Amazon election and President Donald Trump's reaction to his defeat in November, it is ironic that the union's chief argument to the NLRB has to do with ballot drop-boxes. Recode reports that Amazon asked the U.S. Postal Service to install a mailbox at the Bessemer warehouse to make it easier for workers to mail in their ballots during the unionization drive. The union claims that making it easier for workers to vote is a form of intimidation because some workers believed the company was tracking who voted—a conspiracy theory on par with some of what Sidney Powell was spreading after Trump's loss.

The idea that making it easier for people to participate in a democratic election is somehow unfair is an argument you might expect to hear from the MAGA right, not the pro-union left. But this is where we are. If you can't beat 'em, claim they cheated.

Trump, needless to say, didn't invent this trend. For four years, we had to tolerate the ongoing drumbeat about how Trump was a illegitimate president who had been elected by the Russians or the inherent racism of the Electoral College or whatever other excuses Democrats came up with rather than deal with the fact that Hillary Clinton was the worst major-party presidential nominee in recent American history.

Something dangerous is afoot here. Elections are a way to peacefully resolve disagreements. When the go-to explanation for an election loss is to accuse the other side of cheating their way to victory, the legitimacy of the democratic process breaks down. That's especially true when the president of the United States is refusing to accept the results, but it's also true in other circumstances.

Amazon won the unionization election in Alabama last week. Overwhelmingly. The losers should admit as much, and move on to the next fight.

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  1. No WIDESPREAD DETECTABLE voter fraud THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME.

    Am I doing this right?

    1. Unions suck, and “stop the imaginary steal” sucks, without regard to who says it, for what lying, whining, crybaby, and cheating reason that they say it.

      But at least unions don’t have the power to turn the USA into a 1-party dictatorshit!

      https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
      Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

      GOP is in danger of turning into GOD… Grand Old Dictatorshit!

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          1. Nope, like the ‘killeverybody’ asshole, spaz gets flagged without reading a single word.
            I do not need to plow through 99% imbecilic prose in the hopes of finding 1% worthwhile.
            If that pathetic piece of shit wishes to make a point, that pathetic piece of shit needs to post other than SPAZ!

      1. “turn the USA into a 1-party dictatorshit!”

        That’s Biden’s job.

        1. Kamala perfers the terminology “turn the USA into California”.

    2. Don’t forget…

      “The FALSE and UNSUBSTANTUATED claims of voter fraud”.

    3. Reason’s usual “both sides!”, while refusing to look at evidence on either side, while they shill for the honesty and integrity of the Deep State.

      Another “Libertarian Moment” from Reason.

  2. The workers chose wisely. I have been in 2 unions. Both were absolute shit and did nothing for the dues I paid. One of them just filled my mailbox with propaganda about how evil my employer was.

    I also once applied to work in a UAW show. The benefits for joining? A meager wager and no vacation or health benefits until after a year of employment. I chose the non-union shop which paid more and offered full benefits after passing a 3 month probationary period.

    1. I have been in 2 unions. Both were absolute shit and did nothing for the dues I paid.

      Same here. One was useless (Security Officers Union, which seemed to exist to persuade us not to go on strike), the other worse than useless (the UAW, which organized grad student instructors while I was a grad student, and which demanded that we strike in sympathy with the auto workers every year).

      Of course, I did not choose to join either of these unions (conditions of employment), and I stridently opposed the unionizing of the grad students (although the universities ultimately brought it on themselves), but they took my dues anyway.

    2. In fact, I’ve found the fear of unionization was far more effective at making necessary changes than an actual union is. If there’s a union, then there are hard rules to follow and everyone works-to rule. There is also a huge bureaucracy put in place that makes changes and improvements much more difficult to implement.

      However, the combined fear of new rules and shame that your people want to unionize has caused more than one set of managers to make the changes they needed, successfully averting several unionization attempts.

      That being said, I am a bit surprised at the result, given Amazon’s reputation. It could be that we are only hearing the worst of the stories.

      1. re: “It could be that we are only hearing the worst of the stories.”

        Ya think?

      2. “In fact, I’ve found the fear of unionization was far more effective at making necessary changes than an actual union is.”

        This is a fact in a lot of situations. I have been members in two unions: one sucked and one was pretty good.

        One corporation I worked for was the only large company in it’s industry that was not unionized — they were a family-owned, international outfit which really hated unions. So, to avoid being unionized, the paid us top-dollar, had great benefits, and there wasn’t a time-clock to be seen anywhere. The union folks used to come by once a year to visit us. They never suggested we might be better off with a union backing us.

      3. From what I’ve seen from unions directly, treating non-represented employees well is the worst form of union-busting behavior that an employer can engage in.

        The second worst thing that can happen is employees who have been forced to work under a union contract (regardless of whether or not that contract actually gets them better benefits/conditions/treatment than they’d have without it) not being compelled to give money to the union. Those who don’t join supposedly get every “benefit” of membership except for the right to vote on union matters, and therefore should be required to pay an “agency fee”; which in every case I’ve ever heard of just happens to be exactly the same amount as union dues (which of course means that the ability to vote in a union matter has provably no value). Beyond that, even though the law requires unions to not use forcibly collected money to fund political spending, they rarely admit to any significant portion of dues being devoted to that purpose and from what I’ve seen they don’t even allow that small relief to be extended to the “agency fee” payers (at least not without weeks of fighting through paperwork and a “process” that’s clearly designed to lead to most people giving up before finding out where the end of it might be.

    3. As soon as the votes were in I wanted Amazon shares in my IRA. Companies that cave into collectivism compete as successfully as countries whose voters choose communo-fascist party candidates.

  3. Totally believable. Again, My company had a recent union organization vote. ~140 against the union. 20 for. Not even close. The working man knows the truth behind unions – you’ll lose your job and a chunk of you pay if you go union. The non-union guys have it good to and they know it – there are bonuses and overtime that the union would kill. Thankfully I am not in an engineering union – I have recieved bonuses -double secret, etc. that no union would ever allow as it would totally destroy equity.

    1. that’s utterly stupid. non union workers don’t get pensions or employee match for their 401k so they have to work until they die or until they are too old to enjoy retirement. maybe get some life experience before posting drivel such as what you posted.

      1. Sounds like you’ve worked in the wrong places. My (non-union) job features dollar-for dollar 401k matching, employer-funded healthcare, life, and professional liability insurance, free sick leave, 4 weeks of vacation . . .

        1. Yeah, but apparently your cushy non-union job doesn’t provide you any exposure to sarcasm.

          1. Poe’s Law I guess. My progressive democrat neighbor could have written the above statement verbatim and I wouldn’t have been surprised. Of course, he still uses terms like ‘robber-barons’, so . . . yeah.

            1. I’m not convinced it was sarcasm. Certain types of articles seem to bring in more idiot lefty trolls.

              1. Sarcasm .vs sincere beliefs –
                What difference, at this point, does it make?

          2. If OneOfOne’s comment was supposed to be sarcasm, it was a remarkably poor attempt. Much more likely that the comment was sincere (and sincerely wrong-headed).

            1. “…it was a remarkably poor attempt. ”

              No, more likely your shameful lack of understanding of employee compensation in the non-union world left you feeling stupid and ignorant with no alternative but to blame the writer. Those of us that are not so ignorantly challenged understood the sarcasm right off.

              1. “No, more likely your shameful lack of understanding of employee compensation in the non-union world left you feeling stupid and ignorant with no alternative but to blame the writer. Those of us that are not so ignorantly challenged understood the sarcasm right off.”

                You.
                Too.
                Are.
                Full.
                Of.
                Shit.

          3. It’s incumbent on the poster to clearly show they were being sarcastic.

      2. Ching! collect your $.50.

        I have worked for 3 non-union and 2 union construction companies.
        They all paid full benefits, made pension contributions and offered vacation pay. Of course, employers don’t like the unemployment grift that union employees engage in, but they pay for it anyway.

      3. You are completely, hopelessly, terminally, full of shit.

      4. Dear OneOfOne,
        You may be the dumbest motherfucker who ever posted here.
        Kisses,
        UCS

        1. Rear Union of Concerned Socks,

          “You may be the dumbest motherfucker who ever posted here,” says the one who cannot recognize obvious sarc. It was dripping so much I had to wipe my hands while you had to wipe your ass.

          Disses,
          CES

          1. Not sure why you’re simping so hard for this guy.

      5. I’m not in a union and I have a defined pension and a 401k match.

      6. “that’s utterly stupid. non union workers don’t get pensions or employee match for their 401k so they have to work until they die or until they are too old to enjoy retirement. maybe get some life experience before posting drivel such as what you posted.”

        You.
        Are.
        Full.
        Of.
        Shit.

      7. That hasn’t been my experience at any level.

        Aside from the 2-3 years I was forced to work under a union contract (which ended when the union was decertified by a 2-to-1 voting ratio), I’ve been a non-union professional for over 23 years with two different employers, and I’ve had both a pension plan and a 401k with matching (I realize that having both is unusual these days) for every day of my career.

      8. that’s utterly stupid. non union workers don’t get pensions or employee match for their 401k

        Your comment is utterly stupid! I’ve worked for two non-union companies where I received both a pension PLUS 401K match. I retired from both several years ago.

  4. IT WAS THE RUSSIANS!

    1. We know what constitutes a fair election already – the Democrat wins. Any other outcome is either voter suppression or, in the case of deep blue districts, knuckle dragging, gun toting, bible thumping Neanderthals grunting their racist demands.

  5. Ahhhh, Reason doesn’t want to admit that Amazon refused to allow the fraud prone methods used for the national election, exactly because they are fraud prone. No mail in ballots at these elections. I wouldn’t even be surprised if they required people to prove they were an employee before allowing them to vote too.

    1. >No mail in ballots at these elections

      They had mail in ballots. The union is complaining that Amazon put a mailbox in the company parking lot.

      1. The union doesn’t think Amazon workers understand that any mailbox anywhere can be used?

        1. The union doesn’t think very much of the workers at all, beyond what kind of dues they can provide.

        2. The union I dealt with argued in court that establishing a plain-code HTML website with a rudimentary message board in 1999-2000 was beyond the technical capability of engineers who design airliners, fighters, rockets, and satellites for a living. There are likely no practical limits to the contempt a union organizer has for the cognitive abilities of those they’re looking to “save from exploitation” (for a fee, of course).

          1. I made a basic HTML website when I was in middle-school lol.

            1. Exactly.

              The guys who ran the site posted a message to the lawyers who made the claim that they should probably take the train home if they thought that the people who design passenger jets for a living weren’t up to the challenge of a level of computer code that could be learned from a 200 page book over a weekend.

    2. The Comstock law of 1873 exploited the postal monopoly to favor book-burning fascism. Competition with Lysander Spooner’s post offices is kept off the table so long as going postal with deadly force can be appealed to keep freedom and choice out of the racket. Competition can make even mail-in voting more reliable.

  6. There are some great quotes in the various articles.

    The consensus seems to be that Amazon pushes them hard and makes them piss in a bottle between filling boxes, but they get double the normal wage plus health benefits.

    It’s interesting that they basically pay the disgruntled to go away. This is supposedly a bad thing?

    Surely there is some sort of compromise whereby Amazon can give the workers more time to pee. I’m gonna be pissed if I find a bottle of urine rolled up in my chinese socks.

  7. How do 2,000 workers sign union cards, yet only 700 vote yes? Let me guess: if you don’t sign a union card the union knows about it?

    1. Unions do not like secret ballots, they want to know whose tires they should slash.

    2. No idea but perhaps Amazon employees are clever enough that they know the threat of unionizing may get them extra pay but if they actually vote to unionize any extra pay will go to the union’s bank account.

    3. One reason is that unions tell employees, falsely, that signing a union card merely constitutes a request for an election, not an affirmative statement in favor of the union.

    4. Yep.

      That’s why the unions were pushing a while back for “card check” for organization, where if a majority signed cards, unionization happened with no secret ballot election.

  8. Unfortunately, with Biden’s pro-labor appointees now running the NLRB, don’t be surprised if a pretext is found to order a re-run election. It is within the power of the NLRB to do this if they find that Amazon did something improper to destroy the “laboratory conditions” that need to prevail in order for the “true feelings” of the workers to be discerned.

    In theory, if the employer is found to have engaged in misconduct and threats so egregious that a fair election cannot be held, the NLRB can order the employer to bargain with the union regardless of the election result – the so-called “Gissel bargaining order.” But those cases are extremely rare, and I doubt that even Biden’s appointees would have the gall to pull that off. But who knows?

    1. don’t be surprised if a pretext is found to order a re-run election.

      The union is stupid, but they’re not this stupid. Getting thumped twice in a row would make it even harder to play victim to the eeeevil employer.

  9. Whenever a union loses an election, it claims foul play. They always conflate the interests of the union with the interests of the workers. If a worker votes against the union, they are voting against their interest and that is inconceivable, at least in the union’s rhetoric.

    1. Lots of people love to claim that people are ‘voting against their own interests’. Mostly left-wingers, sometimes right, usually directed at rural people (from the left) or urban poor (from the right).

      It’s easy to blame the poor, unsophisticated masses when you don’t win a vote. Hopefully it’s just a line they tell themselves to feel better. Because if they actually believe that people are voting against their own interests, they don’t actually understand the interests of the people they’re complaining about.

      1. To be fair, this argument is a lot more applicable to the urban poor: by their own accounts they live in food deserts with no jobs, crappy schools, crumbling infrastructure, high crime and abusive police.

  10. “How do more than 2,000 workers sign union cards at Amazon’s Alabama plant but only 700 vote yes? And why did only half of workers vote when 3/4 normally vote in such elections?”

    Dude, you are trying to unionize in Alabama. You may as well go in there wearing t-shirts saying “how ’bout them dawgs?”

  11. so as car companies in the south and others such as amazon keep defeating unions why dont people realize that if it werent for government unions and the corrupt northeastern states unions would be dead in america?

    1. Except for government employee unions…

      “How do 2,000 workers sign union cards, yet only 700 vote yes?”

      Because union goons are standing there intimidating people into signing the cards, but people are free to vote how they really feel when the secret ballot happens.

      Which is why Obama tried hard to do away with secret ballots for union votes, and I fully expect Biden’s NLRB to override the vote at least once. Maybe they’ll even force Amazon to accept the union votes be damned.

  12. Were the voters required to show ID?

  13. The union claims that making it easier for workers to vote is a form of intimidation because some workers believed the company was tracking who voted

    Beautiful.

    “Can the company [or State] *prove* the voters were *not* being tracked?!”

  14. Ah another leftist opportunity to pit people against each other, sowing chaos and societal destruction.

    Yeah believe me the people on the left don’t give two shits if you live or die.

  15. The fascists here will eat this up. They’re all about unprovable election conspiracies.

    1. the imbecilic lefty shits will make comments like this imbecilic lefty shit.

    2. Your name would be better if you changed it to raspberryberet

      1. And when it was warm she didn’t wear much more.

  16. Maybe it’s the particular union in question. Working for a cable company in Texas, the proposed union was the Communications Workers of America, populated largely by telephone employees. You know who the union would support; it wouldn’t be us.

    Another office was unionized and could not participate in programs that the company set up because they weren’t in the contract. Promotions were much slower there because they couldn’t self-promote and were bound by the slots specified in the contract. The pay certainly wasn’t any better.

  17. The pro-union left agrees with the MAGA right: If you can’t beat ’em, claim they cheated.

    We’ll just ignore 2016 through November 2020 because we’re all friends here.

    1. The Dems’ inability to deal with losing to Trump was the third to last paragraph in the article.

      Of course, even before the Russia hyperventilation, there was the Obama birth certificate, and before that the Florida chads.

  18. The unions have a hard time adjusting to the 21st century: they’re stuck in the 1930s. Maybe if the unions made themselves more valuable to their members, they wouldn’t keep losing members. Maybe pay for education to make their members more valuable?
    Maybe arrange health benefits to go through the union so members don’t lose out switching companies or being unemployed?

    1. Maybe quit keeping almost all the dues for themselves and the politicians they have in their pockets?

    2. I am a member of multiple professional organizations that offer those benefits. No reason to involve my employer in it at all.

  19. For four years, we had to tolerate the ongoing drumbeat about how Trump was a illegitimate president who had been elected by the Russians or the inherent racism of the Electoral College or whatever other excuses Democrats came up with rather than deal with the fact that Hillary Clinton was the worst major-party presidential nominee in recent American history.

    Something dangerous is afoot here.

    No shit. It’s called gaslighting.

  20. It’s my understanding that Amazon had certain mail-in voting restrictions and required some sort of ID.

    1. In the interest of preserving election integrity, I expect Amazon to boycott itself.

  21. “The pro-union left agrees with the MAGA right: If you can’t beat ’em, claim they cheated.”

    That these racketeering grievance grifters share many similarities is no surprise.

    1. Stuff your TDS up your ass, TDS-addled asshole; your head needs company.
      Oh, and please fuck off and die; your family will be proud.

  22. When the go-to explanation for an election loss is to accuse the other side of cheating their way to victory, the legitimacy of the democratic process breaks down.

    I guess it’s a good thing Nixon never accused JFK of cheating – although he did – so we could go on pretending the democratic process was legitimate. Much more important that the process appear to be legitimate than for it to actually be legitimate, eh? But I think that’s a big part of why Trump got elected in the first place, nobody’s buying the “legitimacy” bullshit anymore. The sheep have figured out the sheepdog doesn’t protect them from the shepherd, quite the opposite in fact.

  23. I’ve read several articles about this vote, but none of them mention asking the workers why they or “someone they know” voted against joining the union.

    Anyone read any quotes from actual Amazon workers?

    1. Ask Alexa, she can probably tell you.

    2. One woman who had voted NO, said that she did not want to pay dues and wanted to keep her full time position and seniority shift preferences. Union bosses, aka Organized Crime, are non-transparent about dues, the formula for dues calculator, hours worked, time spent on the job, etc. It’s a great racket for bosses and seniority guys that are non productive and the hedge funds that get the pension funds then get the taxpayers to bail them out when they tank the fund. Not so good for the young-ins or productive folks or taxpayers.

    3. Wall Street Journal did, I believe. Workers liked the pay, didn’t want to pay dues, and were afraid Amazon might avoid expanding in Alabama.

    4. I’d suggest a bit of research on your part.

  24. I am thinking that in the US the republicans and democrats are in the process of switching sides. This has happened a few times before and it appears that it is about to happen again.

    1. Republicans and democrats are already on the same side, against you. It used to be that party nominees almost always ran against Washington D.C. You generally had vice-presidents and Governors running then. In 2012 you had 3 D.C. insiders and one outsider running and it was the outsider that took all the flak. Now they’re making sure
      that no outsider runs again. And so what if they lose their seats, they can get lobbying jobs and remain on the inside .

      1. Was there any point intended there?

        1. I agree with the thesis that team R and team D are both clearly and unambiguously on the side of big government, big spending, state control and authoritarianism.

          It really cannot be argued that Republicans writ large are a conservative, small government party these days.

          1. That is true. Team R needs a critical self-examination. Their base has changed in the last 40 years (demographically).

  25. How is it that so many libertarians are anti-union? As a member of a union, you bargain as an equal, almost, with your employer. As a loner, you beg, and good luck. Where is the liberty in that? Some of you should check out Mark Reiff’s “The Libertarian Argument for Unions.” Sometimes unions don’t win a vote because the company they work for treats them so well. I don’t think that’s the case with Amazon, who mounted a strong campaign based on fear. That’s not exactly liberty, either.

    1. Nothing against someone VOLUNTARILY joining a VOLUNTARY union if they want. And the vast majority of people are what you call “loners” (what we like to call independent and self-sufficient individuals) and are doing just fine, thank you.

    2. “As a loner, you beg, and good luck”

      As a loner, you get a different job.

      1. I’m thinking poor Bill isn’t very good at his job, and his employer isn’t worried about losing his services.

        1. Haha, nice try, but no cigar. Look up William Bracey nuclear engineer.

    3. Bill Bracey
      April.12.2021 at 9:37 pm
      “How is it that so many libertarians are anti-union?..”

      Your question alone suggests you have no idea of what ‘libertarianism’ means.
      If you need further explanation, you have proven that conjecture.

      1. Libertarianism is strictly about government. People interested in libertarianism tend to be individualists who would be suspicious of collective organizations, such as unions. However, that doesn’t have to be the case.

        Libertarians are, of course, against the NLRB forcing companies to negotiate with unions. However, beyond that, Libertarian philosophy allows for voluntary unions (even ones that negotiate mandatory membership to be employed at a particular employer). However, I would suspect most libertarians would avoid getting involved in such an organization.

      2. There’s more than one flavor of libertarian.

    4. Cool story bro, if only it were true.

      The days when unions worked for their members are long gone. Today they only exist to skim workers’ paychecks to buy hookers and blow for mobsters and politicians. Shame on you for pretending otherwise.

      -jcr

    5. After going to Mark Reiff’s own site and reading through his bona fides, it seems that associating him in any fashion with libertarianism is like associating Hitler with Zionism.

      An excerpt from libertarianism.org on labor unions. “Labor unions that respect each person’s freedom of association are legitimate. American labor unions, formed and operated under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), are not.”

      If the union wins an organizing election, all workers are then forced to belong to the union; that’s not voluntary association.

    6. In short, bad experiences.

      I’ve seen some well run shops, both union and non-union. However, the only time I’ve seen a union actually help has been in providing representation against unlawful firing. If your manager isn’t a completely horrible, why would you want a union? It’s like keeping a lawyer on retainer.

      The initial purpose of unions have been mostly obviated by OSHA and HR regulations. You don’t need to strike for safety. Now, they are primarily a wage negotiation tactic, which is better kept in place by competition.

      Libertarians are very against closed shops and mandatory unions.

    7. We are individuals, not termites. I write my own bids and NDAs as a freelancer with a business. This rids me of hustlers and rip-off artists. Remaining legitimate companies then choose whether to have me as a contractor or competitor. If someone makes you a bad offer and you are not competent to write your own bid as a replacement, only then does insect-like collectivism offer its appeal to laziness, cowardice or incompetence.

  26. How do more than 2,000 workers sign union cards at Amazon’s Alabama plant but only 700 vote yes?

    Workers agree to sign cards to stop being hassled by organizers then they vote no because they actually don’t want a union. This has happened many times and it is why unions so desperately want ‘card check’ only ‘elections’ in order get rid of secret votes and be able to intimidate workers into unionizing.

  27. If Politicians were in business, “I don’t get it; I started an online business where people anonymously order whatever they want or just use other peoples names and promise to pay for the items they order and for some wild reason fraud keeps occurring???”

    Mail-in voting is fraud by willful/?stupid? neglect. The same reason people don’t send billions in cash through the mail either.

  28. Fun fact: You’re NOT “an equal” with your employer. They own the company. They make the rules. The free market determines the value of your labor. If you feel that your compensation is inadequate, go somewhere else. If you have to “beg” for adequate compensation, your labor isn’t as valuable as you think it is. The idea that legalized extortion is somehow a Libertarian value, is ludicrous.

    1. The state of affairs you describe sounds like subjugation to me, and it’s just where corporate management likes it. “They own the company. They make the rules.” Sounds like the motto of the ideal docile employee.

      I follow Reason because I admire their defense of free speech, and their stands against abuse of state power both at home and abroad. But libertarian economics is voodoo at best and slavish bootlicking to the powerful at worst.

      The problem with pure free market economics, to the degree that is exists, is that it inevitably leads to ever greater concentration of wealth and power. There is nothing to prevent the powerful from using their power to get more of it. Workers organizing to get their fair portion of the increasing productivity of their labor is a necessary counterbalance to assure that the benefits of capitalism are felt more widely, so that it does not self-destruct. The demise of unions over the past 40 years coincides with increasing wealth disparities and income stagnation. You think not? Consider that in 1956 my parents bought a new house in a suburb of New York City and then raised a family of four with only the income of a draftsman. Oh, yes, he was in a union. Try doing that today on the pay of a draftsman. You’d certainly need your spouse to work, too, and even then barely reach the same standard of living on the two salaries, regardless of how many times you were willing to pick up and change employers.

      1. Back in 1970 I bought a comic for 12 cents. Try doing that today.

      2. You’re just chuck full of B.S. Free-Market’s don’t centralize *POWER* you idiotic buffoon; because free-markets allows ANY-ONE to compete. “greater concentration” of *POWER* comes from what the very term *POWER* implies. The *FORCE* of Gov-Guns.

        Now stop supporting the pointing of Gov-Guns at it’s own citizens and grow the F-UP.

  29. Hillary’s party’s 2016 platform sought to maintain the individual rights for women copied from the 1972 and 1976 Libertarian platforms, but packaged in promises to outlaw electricity and keep shooting kids over “the wrong” plant leaves. They lost and made up lies to protect their platform committee. God’s Own Prohibitionists did the same after women voters discovered their plans to bring back Islamic coathanger abortions. Their Christianofascist infiltrators, like the Econazi Dems, dodged all blame by inventing hobgoblins.

  30. while the trend has been building for years, i think we can now say that the post-truth era is in full effect. don’t like an outcome, a fact, anything at all…… just refuse to believe it!!! election – it must have been fraud. scandal – it must be fake news. reality has become meaningless to people.

  31. This is just the standard AFL-CIO playbook, and has been for decades.

    There was a union decertification vote at a site where I worked for Boeing about 20 years ago. It took 6 weeks to collect enough signatures to get NLRB to hold a vote, then the Union fought a losing court battle for a year to try to prevent the vote from happening ; all the while running a disinformation campaign in which the only true claim they made was that if the union was decertified, affected employees would lose union “representation” (if the union had actually represented the employees instead of the officers, maybe they wouldn’t have been facing the decertification action anyway), among other claims were that loss of union representation would make State and Federal labor laws unenforceable, and that if the union were decertified the company would revoke certain benefits which could have been revoked at any time under the contract the union had in place (and which had only recently been added to the union’s deal because non-union people in the same job at other sites had been getting them for years).

    After losing the vote by about a 2:1 margin, the union spent another 18 months fighting in court to prevent the results from being certified. After that fight ended, the company then proceeded to back-date eligibility for affected employees recieving certain benefits which the union reps had given back in exchange for personal job security (mainly pension plan participation) to the date of the vote without having to be asked by anyone on the employee side.

    As far as I know, the vow made by Trumpka himself to come back and get the site back under union organization has never been attempted. I’m not sure how much of the site still exists since many of the projects that were being done there were either concluded, cancelled, or spun off and moved to another state.

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