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Overcriminalization Killed Daunte Wright

A police officer pulled the trigger. But Wright shouldn't have been pulled over in the first place.

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When a cop killed a man in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, yesterday, the officer had reportedly pulled him over for hanging air fresheners on his rearview mirror*. It wasn't just the latest high-profile case of abusive policing—it was important reminder of the ill effects of criminalizing the most trivial behaviors.

Daunte Wright, 20, died after the officer allegedly mistook her gun for a taser, according to Brooklyn Center Police Chief Tim Gannon. After pulling Wright over for violating a Minnesota law that prohibits drivers from hanging objects—a rosary, fuzzy dice, an air freshener—from their mirrors, police noticed there was a warrant out for Wright's arrest. Upon trying to detain him, Wright re-entered his car, at which point officers struggled with him. One deployed and fired her gun.

"Holy shit," she says on the body camera footage. "I shot him!"

Although Gannon did not specify what the warrant pertained to, The New York Times reports that Wright failed to show up for a court appearance on two misdemeanor charges, one for carrying a pistol without a permit and the other for fleeing officers last summer.

News of the shooting prompted both peaceful protests and rioting in Brooklyn Center, a suburb of Minneapolis; a slew of businesses in the area were destroyed. Police in riot gear sought to break up crowds with tear gas and flash bang grenades.

Not long ago, that same area was engulfed in riots over the death of George Floyd, who was arrested after allegedly using a fake $20 bill to buy cigarettes. Officer Derek Chauvin, who knelt on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes last May, is now on trial for murder. The Minneapolis police chief recently noted under oath that Chauvin flouted department protocol in doing so, with expert medical witnesses testifying that Floyd died of obstructed breathing.

The outcry over Floyd's death thrust several previously seldom-discussed issues to the forefront of the national dialogue. Take qualified immunity, the legal doctrine that makes it difficult for victims of government malfeasance to hold state actors to account in civil court. Not long ago, talk of qualified immunity was confined to scholarly panels and magazines like this one. Now it's being seriously discussed in legislative bodies across the country, with New Mexico recently becoming the third state to roll back the doctrine.

But one topic that still hasn't received enough attention is the consequences of overcriminalization. Police accountability, training, and transparency are certainly important: If an officer cannot distinguish between a firearm and a taser, we have a problem. But it's also a problem that cops could pull Wright over for this reason in the first place.

Eric Garner, one of the most publicized victims of police brutality, died after former New York City police officer Daniel Pantaleo choked him for the crime of selling loose cigarettes. Other victims aren't as well-known. Like Ramon Lopez, who died after Phoenix police officers chased, tackled, and pinned him on searing hot asphalt because someone had called 911 to report him for loitering in a parking lot, "jumping around," "looking at people's cars," and wearing "ripped pants."

Serious criminal justice reform should include an effort to criminalize fewer things. We need to slash away the laws that make virtually everyone a criminal—and that lead to so many unpleasant, and sometimes deadly, confrontations with law enforcement. Daunte Wright might be alive today if his vehicle had an up-to-date registration and if that air freshener had been hung from a state-approved spot.

*UPDATE: In a press conference Monday, Brooklyn Center Police Chief Tim Gannon clarified that Wright was pulled over for expired tags, after which point officers also zeroed in on his air fresheners. Immediately prior to his death, Wright told his mother via phone that he was pulled over for violating the Minnesota law that prohibits hanging items from a rearview car mirror.

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  1. “Overcriminalization”

    Did your editor tell you that’s how you spell “resisting a lawful arrest”?

    1. The point is this guy never should have been pulled over to begin with. An officer pulling someone over for having shit dangling from the rear view is just looking to fill the quota book.

      1. Yes let’s pretend it was the stop not the resisting.

        God dammit why do you fucking assholes try so hard to make people agree woth cops.

        1. All reports I have read (including Reason) are citing the shit dangling from the mirror as the reason for the stop, not the warrant. Dude resisted and received a bullet instead of a zap due to officer negligence. That is partially on him for resisting but my point and the correct point of Reason remains: he should never have been pulled over to begin with.

          Laws against air fresheners are 100% about generating revenue.

          1. And he never should have resisted.

            Stop being an asshole.

            1. Follow it back further. He never should have committed the crimes that got him warrants. He didn’t get detained because of fuzzy dice in this mirror.

              1. I am personally friends of the family of Daunte Wright. They tell me that another unpublicized reason for the warrant for the arrest of Daunte Wright, is that he DARED to blow on a cheap plastic flute, without permission! For that alone, it seems to at least some of us, that he deserved to die with cops acting as judge, jury, and executioners, on the spot!

                Stay ye SAFE from the Flute Police!

                To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!

                1. “I am personally friends of the family of Daunte Wright. They tell me that another unpublicized reason for the warrant for the arrest of Daunte Wright, is that he DARED to blow on a cheap plastic flute”

                  Ah Libeling a dead man for your dumb personal crap, stay classy.

                  1. The unclassy people here are the racists and fascists who see NO limits to the powers of the Almighty State, to kill over air fresheners on your rear-view mirror, or cheap plastic flutes, or scratching your own ass, without permission, it seems! NO limits to the powers of the Almighty State! And NO limits to your utter shamelessness, power pigs! As long as it is not YOU AND YOURS who get fucked up by Government Almighty! Hypocrites!

                    1. No we get it, you’ll commit libel on a guy who died so recently he’s still warm because you’re awful and seflish.

                    2. With each comment your asshole factor increases.

                    3. Keep on lusting for the deaths of people whose skin color is different than your own, for the most trivial excuses, assholes, and then blame other people! “Stay classy” indeed!

                    4. So we are racist for pointing out you’re libeling a dead man for your own petty bullshit?

                      Peak progressive everyone.

                    5. You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
                      https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
                      From the conclusion to the above…
                      These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.

                      SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an authoritarian asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that authoritarian asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!

                    6. 4 spaz flags

                    7. I am personally friends of the family of Daunte Wright

                      Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It’s a pity Daunte Wright’s family never gave him “The Talk”. Given that, this is on the family.

                  2. What you’re calling “libeling” is actually sarcasm in the educated world. But we understand why would want to create a straw-man to take attention away from yet another unwarranted police killing.

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                2. Fucking SQRLS, you crack me up!

                  1. Thanks! That is PART of my intent…

                    1. You’re generally a failure.

                    2. Fuck you for making everyone in this thread dumber sqrlsy.
                      Fuck. You.

                3. Please comply, when being arrested.

                4. Why johnny ringo, i believe someone just walked over duante’s grave.

              2. And those “crimes” could be just as illogical as the fuzzy dice.

                So, follow it back even further: there is some illogical “crime” that you yourself have committed in the past-one that you got away with but, could just as easily made into a warrant if caught.

                Did you once have fuzzy dice in the window or anything blocking your view? Virginia Beach VA was notorious: on your front window you had your base pass, vehicle inspection sticker, parking pass, apartment pass, Virginia Beach tax stamp, and ezpass-again, all on the front window. Throw a Mickey D’s hamburger wrapper on the dash and “suddenly” cop pulls you over because your view was blocked.

                “Well, I see here you have a warrant for pulling the tag off a mattress..here’s your taz…I mean bullet to the head”. You criminal.

                1. Oh, and lets not forget, according the link the article, the police and EMS are excluded from this law. So… hanging something from the mirror might obstruct your view, but the police and EMS apparently have x-ray vision and can do whatever they like.

          2. Sure, because blocking 10 to 15 percent of your vision area always leads to improved safety, right?

            1. How big are your fuzzy dice?

              1. Your mom loved em.

                1. She does have a strange obsession with fuzzy dice.

              2. Or, how small is his windshield?

            2. If you have your seat reclined so far back that you need a periscope to see over the dash, the air fresheners are not a problem.

            3. Any port in a storm, even if it is the racist one, right?

              1. I should have written “especially if it’s a racist one” up there.

                1. I am not a racist. I am a realist with actual experience in the ghetto. I lived among the denizens of the ghetto for the first two decades of my life. I attended school in a developing ghetto during busing and “white flight”. People of all races are qualified to be denizens of the ghetto, they all tend to act, dress, and speak the same during their time in the ghetto. Their movements are exagerated, their clothing garish. Why is it racist to point that observation out? I suppose that saying, “they tend to have whimsical names” is racist too? Wrong again, it is merely an easily provable observation. Go live there, then try to not notice the funny parts. To deny that males in the ghetto leave their seat way back or do the “Detroit Lean” could be due to your lack of life experience. Hell, many of my old friends still do it.
                  Lighten up.

                  1. MVP. MVP.

                  2. Had some “friends” that called it the Mean (N-word) Lean.

            4. Police (and EMS) are excluded from the law. Apparently when driving with lights and sirens they don’t need as much vision/field of view?
              Or, some lawmaker saw some kids having too much fun and wanted to squash their fuzzy dice?

          3. From what I’ve read, the “air freshner” reason is what he told his mother before the cops approached him. Other reports are as follows: “The footage showed three officers around a stopped car, which authorities said was pulled over because it had expired registration tags. When another officer attempts to handcuff Wright, a second officer tells Wright he’s being arrested on a warrant. That’s when the struggle begins, followed by the shooting. Then the car travels several blocks before striking another vehicle.”

            1. Expired registration tags isn’t much better.

              1. Automated license scanners will pull you over every time. But guess that makes the lie heard round the world better.

                1. Reg tags exist as an excuse for municipalities to drum up revenue for violations. The scanners are just as bad as the cops.

                  Fuck man, I haven’t had to affix tags to my car since like 2005. The cops will figure out something better to do with their time, and the state can figure out a more honest way to squeeze the citizenry.

          4. There’s another reason – pretense.
            The Arizona State Patrol pulled me over on I-40 three years ago because my GPS unit was under my mirror and ‘obstructing my view’.
            After a short but animated discussion, I accepted their generous offer to check my rental car for narcotics or other contraband.
            After 45 minutes they joyfully announced that my car was free of bad stuff, they gave me a warning for the GPS and I left. My hands shook all the way to Needles.
            It seems to me that if the police want to stop you, they have a big toolbox of laws to accomplish that. So it’s not just revenue.

            1. Why the fuck would you allow them to search your vehicle? Are you insane? Go kill yourself. I blame the cops for negligence in not awarding a free Darwin when they had the chance. And you get on here and publicize this fucking stupidity? You’re an undercover agent, I knew it.

          5. You’ve read daily mail, aclu, and Binion. Try reading the actual reporting on the stop. It was expired tags.

            1. Well we have yet to hear the full details of that part of the story. Apparently he had just bought the car. I bought a new car 2 years ago and the dealer was delinquent in sending me the plates. I drove the car for 2 months before I had plates on it, but was never pulled over because I am white.

          6. I concur, but to add insult to a death that shouldn’t have happened, LE’s should stop being taught to shoot first and ask questions later. Furthermore, after further review, it was not a mistake. Yes. the officer said “Shit, I just shot him” well if she had been trained properly she would’ve grabbed her taser and not her weapon. At no time were any officers involved in any mortal danger that they couldn’t have gotten away. I also think the police that did the initial stop were just bored and looking for someone to harass. And if the harassee was an African- American, so much the better. It appears that the Minnesota police is just like the police I grew up around in the South.

            1. They are,always taught to shoot last, which is what occurred.

              Valid arrest, warrant for firearm, fighting with police, to evade, again, for which their was a prior warrant.

              Had he complied, he would be alive, just as so many others.

              The officer will be fired. She made huge mistake.

              1. Warrant for exercising Second Amendment rights, right?

                1. Well, he was black, so yeah.

          7. agreed

          8. Yeah, he got pulled over for the mirror. What you’re saying here is that a guy who failed to show up for court previously on charges that included fleeing from officers, and thus had an outstanding warrant, should have been able to drive around in peace without officers pulling him over? Can this guy in particular really make that claim?

            Protests are still in order, though. Killing him was not justified, and if they didn’t intend to kill him that’s a mistake we can’t tolerate.

          9. Those laws about things hanging off of mirrors are public safety laws. A pencil can block a drivers view of a bicycle or a motorcycle. Plenty of places to hang one.
            This was a career criminal with an evading and gun charge.
            The community is well rid of these characters that have been acting out when contacted by the police.
            As a pro driver I have had a kid on a bike come out from behind a telephone pole and into the front if my truck. Only excellent reflexes and God saved that boy.
            Get a license. Insure your car. License your car. Obey the king’s commands. Go to court and tell it to the judge. The cop may not show up or remember if you don’t make a scene.
            The clear window is for safety not revenue.
            Just about 3 million miles of not killing anybody. Bunches of safe driving awards

            1. I guess an antenna is an issue? Because some of my cars/trucks have antenna on the passanger fender.
              The law is bullshit simply because it excludes EMS and police – they can hang whatever they want from the mirror.

          10. We need to eliminate the crime of resisting arrest period. In fact I would eliminate the right of police to arrest anybody except to stop an ongoing criminal act that was threatening to harm somebody or damage property. All of these unnecessary deaths result from attempting to arrest somebody who doesn’t need to be arrested in the first place. No need to forcibly transport them to the precinct to issue a citation – except perhaps when it is not possible to establish the person’s identity.

          11. Reason and the commenters about police related incidents demonstrate how willing people are to avoid the truth completely. Duante was pulled over for expired tags. Officer Anthony Luckey (who appears to be black) was making coplike conversation while the female training officer ran Duante for “wants and warrants”. Duante was wanted for failing meet the terms of probation for an armed robbery charge. As usual, this individual had previously run from police.

      2. Police don’t make the laws. They are tasked with enforcing them.

        1. Everyone is entirely responsible for their own actions, period. “I was just doing my job” is never an excuse for anything.

          1. What the fuck are you on about? Blaming police for legislation was the point you fucknutted past like a gimptard.

            1. Well, it’s a point that is always worth making. Sorry if it was a bit of a non-sequitur. But at least you got a chance to be a dick to someone you don’t know on the internet, so good job!

              1. Oh god shit the fuck up faggot.

                1. Your mother must be proud.

            2. No, he’s saying that “just doing your job” is just as good of as an excuse as the Mỹ Lai massacre.

              1. By your response you are implying that enforcing the vehicle code is a war crime! A ludicrous assertion.

                1. I did not imply or make a comparison to a war crime.

                  I implied and compared the excuse given in such scenario.

        2. And nobody at Reason will let the buck rise any higher than the police. Even though they are merely creatures if city government.

          When they start going after them wake me up, otherwise it’s all a show meant to fool the rubes

      3. That is a lie. The vehicle had a bad tag. Binion is a lying piece of shit. This is how the “I can’t breathe” and “hands up don’t shoot” nonsense got started. Ghetto reporting.
        Think for yourself for one second, are “Air Fresheners” probable cause or reasonable suspicion? No. Could he pull him over without probable cause or reasonable suspicion in Minneapolis in this political climate? Hell no.

        1. I’m betting robbie will have an article tomorrow about how many idiot journalists ran with the airfreshener before checking the story.

          1. I admit, it was very enticing. What a tale!

        2. Show your evidence that the stop was for a “bad tag”. Because your appeal to logic is broken. Probable cause means the cop has to have a reason to believe that you committed a crime. Hanging anything from your mirror is a crime there. (Stupid but that’s their law.) The cop seeing something hanging from the mirror goes beyond mere probable cause to actual evidence of the crime and would have been more than sufficient to justify the stop. Political climate has nothing to do with it.

          1. It’s in the police report

          2. “Show your evidence”

            go fuck yourself it’s publicly available and you shit the discussion up before you knew

            1. So the appropriate response is to shit it up even more?

              (Yes, I realize I am further shitting it up now, before some clever person points that out)

              1. No we should just lest assholes like him and you shoot off unchecked.

                What the fuck is wrong with you people?

                1. Had he and so many others complied, they would be alive.

                2. Lots of assholes, lots of shitting.

          3. Well, would you rather believe his Mother and girlfriend? They are now “winners” in the Minneapolis ghetto lottery. Air Fresheners my ass.

            1. Lucrative work if you can get it.

              1. It ain’t work!

                1. Dude you can’t say that. Getting up everyday to pretend to be advocating for your poor dead relative that just made you a millionaire? That’s work. You’ve got to bring your game face every day. Being pissed all the time is hard. Interviews. Sucking black minister’s dick. You tellin us that ain’t work?

            2. I haven’t seen anything about a bad tag but I have limited resources.
              Maybe they saw the air freshener and that triggered a tag check which may have been bad.
              If the tag check was good the cops may have rolled on. Or the may have stopped him just to remind him not to hang stuff in the window.
              Then rolled on.
              Once the warrant came back it was all on the driver.
              I for one will not miss him. He apparently sold poison to kids.

          4. Show your evidence that the stop was for a “bad tag”.

            How about every actual news report on the incident? So..where’s your evidence that the stop was for an air freshener dangling from the rearview mirror?

            1. My evidence is in the article above which says “After pulling Wright over for violating a Minnesota law that prohibits drivers from hanging objects”. I’m okay with people who point out errors in articles. Lord knows the Reason authors are far from perfect.

              But simply making a claim that the article is wrong without even mentioning (much less linking to) a contrary source? And trying to back up that unsourced claim with obviously faulty logic? Sorry, that gets no deference.

              1. My evidence is in the article above which says “After pulling Wright over for violating a Minnesota law that prohibits drivers from hanging objects”. I’m okay with people who point out errors in articles. Lord knows the Reason authors are far from perfect.

                Several Reason authors…including this one…have a history of articles based on bogus claims. “Far from perfect” is a gross understatement, and you citing the claim made as “evidence” doesn’t really put you on solid ground here…especially given that virtually every story published so far by just about every major media outlet has cited the expired registration as the reason for the stop.

                But simply making a claim that the article is wrong without even mentioning (much less linking to) a contrary source? And trying to back up that unsourced claim with obviously faulty logic? Sorry, that gets no deference.

                Neither does your blind acceptance of a baseless claim as fact.

              2. Accepting Boehm at face value puts you dangerously close to ChemJeff territory.

                1. Bunion (apologies to that other child half wit)

          5. Do you prefer Reuters. The Chief of police made the statement. Stop gobbling Binion’s goo.

        3. “Think for yourself for one second, are “Air Fresheners” probable cause or reasonable suspicion? No.”

          Uhhh, “yes”. You nor the driver of the car gets to decide what “reasonable suspicion” is.

          That decision does not rest with the courts, you, or any other person but the cop at the time of the stop. The courts may get to decide “reasonableness” later, after the fact.

          The cop doesn’t need reasonable excuse nor a legal one. In fact, the cop can claim ignorance of the law: Heien v. North Carolina

          And if that doesn’t work, there’s always qualified immunity.

          1. I spent an entire semester learning reasonable suspicion and probable cause. It is fairly straightforward. These cops are under a microscope. There is no way that they would want to go to court without a solid reason for pulling this clown over. This author knows that Wright was pulled over for a bad tag. He chose to omit the most important fact in the entire case.
            Air fresheners my Irish ass. Use your brain.

            1. Then it was a waisted semester.

              I’ve been pulled over for “weaving in and out of lane”. (Hint: I wasn’t)

              That was the cops “reasonable suspicion”. It did not matter if it were true or not. It did not matter if it were a law or not.

              I pointed to MY dash cam: officer I’ll be glad to compare my camera footage with yours in court. He declined-

              1. You spelled W-A-S-T-E-D wrong, Dipshit.

                So, a cop pulled you over for a minor infraction and you showed him your recorder. Man, are you super cool! Can we hang out? Your recorder probably didn’t back him down. Maybe he just hates dealing with frail, male Karens that drive around recording everything and everybody. I certainly avoid them. They give me the creeps.
                The officer probably took one look at your soft hands and thin wrists and let you off. He probably took your weaving to be a lack of grip strength and ability to hold tight on the steering wheel. Or….was it your steely stare when you backed him down?

                1. Bruh, you take your blood pressure meds lately?

                2. “ So, a cop pulled you over for a minor infraction and you showed him your recorder.”

                  And after all your blow-hard…you still missed the point.

                  What infraction?

          2. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-minnesota-shooting/police-say-u-s-officer-in-black-mans-killing-mistakenly-fired-gun-instead-of-taser-idUSKBN2BZ21A
            Or, just a ghetto shit stain that drove a car with bad tags while wanted on a warrant. He called Mommy as he was being pulled over to bail him out, Mommy probably told him he was on his own. This was her big chance to get a big settlement out of her criminal son if he selects the “George Floyd” technique of handling a lawful arrest. He is worth what now, 20, 30 million? Mommy is probably at Lexus dealership already.

            1. What’s the purpose of “good tags”?

              If I am driving down the road, erratically, speeding, being an overall menace, but I have “good tags”, do the tags justify my behavior?

              I am driving down the road safely, obeying all traffic laws and on top of that being courteous and aware of my surroundings, but with no “tags”-should I expect a bullet to the head?

              1. So, it is a bullet in the head now? My, my are you excitable. I never said that tags give you any extra rights. Besides, in case you are unaware, driving isn’t a right, it is a privilege. You don’t have the right to drive however you want.
                You forgot to mention in your tirade if you were a felon with warrants and a history with guns. That would be an important part.

                1. Can you pick a side and just stay with it? Jesus are you the goddamn dmv too?

                2. The history with guns being a charge for carrying without a permit, which is supported by the letter and intent of 2A and thus is not a crime in 19 states.

                3. You for it to mention in your tirade the purpose of “good tags”.

        4. The air freshener thing is not true, they can and will stop you and cite you for that.

      4. The point is this guy never should have been pulled over to begin with. An officer pulling someone over for having shit dangling from the rear view is just looking to fill the quota book.

        If that was actually the point then “Overcriminalization Killed Daunte Wright” was a pretty braindead way of wording it.

      5. There is a reason for the “shit hanging from your rear view mirror” laws – people used to hang overly large items like CDs, which spun, attract attention and reflect sunlight and headlights into the drivers eyes.

        They might just as easily have run his license plate while stopped behind his car at a stoplight.

        Having two warrants out for his arrest would have justified his being stopped, the spinning crap argument is just a deflection.

        This was a wanted man, he gave police an excuse to run his name looking for warrants, and resisted lawful arrest.

        Why do these victims think they can out-run, out-shoot, beat-up armed police officers.

        Let’s remember, it was the you g man’s choice to try and run away from police after they (tried?) to cuff him… Without that decision, the officer never would have reached for her taser.

        1. And that’s not even relevant, because as it turns out…the stop was for expired registration, not the “air freshener” claim by Wright’s mother that the author just blindly accepted as fact and then ran with.

      6. The officer is enforcing a law that elected officials enacted. Yet no one ever looks at them. We blame the cop for Garner, but he didn’t make selling loosies illegal. The article tries to make a point but misses it.

        1. What’s the purpose of “good tags”?

          If I am driving down the road, erratically, speeding, being an overall menace, but I have “good tags”, do the tags justify my behavior?

          I am driving down the road safely, obeying all traffic laws and on top of that being courteous and aware of my surroundings, but with no “tags”-should I expect a bullet to the head?

          1. If I am driving down the road, erratically, speeding, being an overall menace, but I have “good tags”, do the tags justify my behavior?

            That’s just about the most braindead question I’ve seen all week.

            I am driving down the road safely, obeying all traffic laws and on top of that being courteous and aware of my surroundings, but with no “tags”-should I expect a bullet to the head?

            No, you should expect what happens in 99.999% of such traffic stops: Either a warning or a citation, and then be allowed to go on your way. On the other hand, if you have a multiple-offense arrest warrant…including for running from police…and then choose to resist arrest and flee police again you should expect some sort of physically violent attempt to prevent you from fleeing. That involving one or more bullets fired at you should generally not be part of that response, but it’s a possibility in the heat of the moment.

            TL;DR version: Your straw man is idiotic.

            1. The status of the tags are no indication of my driving skills or abilities.

              Again, what’s the purpose of “good tags”? I want to hear your libertarian stance on this.

              1. The status of the tags are no indication of my driving skills or abilities.

                Nobody said they were. You’re still working on a straw man of your own creation.

                And now you’re switching to red herrings. The purpose of automotive registration is irrelevant with regard to your comment that I responded to…which was a about expecting a bullet to the head.

        2. “ but he didn’t make selling loosies illegal.”

          How many police officers witnessed Garner selling loosies?

          How many loosies were found on his body after he was killed?

          How many loosies in ones possession does it take to justify being killed?

          1. No bites, huh Douchebag? Fuck you in your loosie. Nobody gives a shit about the fat bastard anymore.

            1. Cop. Or cop’s bitch.

            2. Looks like I reeled in a big one.

        3. I agree. Both should be looked at. Individually we are responsible for our actions. “Doing my job” (Nuremberg defense) is not an excuse. Societally we expect police to uphold the edicts that are passed down. When bad laws are passed a conflict arises between an officer’s duty and discretion. We should be looking at how an officer in question navigates that conflict, but we should also be looking at the entire chain of governance up to and including the legislation and legislators. The chain of governance is probably more important, because without resolution there we will see the same conflicts over and over.

      7. He was pulled over for expired tags. Binion is propagating a lie.

      8. He actually had a bad registration. He wasn’t pulled over for objects in his mirror. The col was an idiot! She was obviously nervous and fucked up big time. She’ll never go back to that job again in any form due to her own consequences as well as nobody should hire her for police work. But you should never resist arrest no matter what. It’s not worth it. They knew he had an outstanding warrant and no doubt he knew that himself and that’s why he resisted arrest. He should have dealt with the warrant and this would have never happened! First don’t drive around with a bad registration. It’s asking to be a target, second dont drive around with a bad registration and an outstanding warrant on top of that, third never resist arrest if you know you’re in the wrong for at least two issues. Registration and warrant both of those he was aware of no doubt! Yes the cop is 100% wrong and fucked up, but again this all started because he had a bad registration and a warrant or he would have most likely not pulled over if he had a clean record and up to date vehicle papers. I’ve been pulled over 3’s this year. Twice for a headlight out, which I knew was there and second for not wearing a seatbelt which I knew was wrong . So I had to suck it up and take the tickets. Thankfully everything else was clean on me. That’s why I just took the tickets and paid them. There’s was no point in arguing. I was in the wrong all 3 times and knew what I was doing when I hit in my car with a broke headlight and not wearing a seatbelt

        1. Good points. Who the fuck would drive with expired tags and a warrant? Obviously this guy was dumb as bricks. And then his plan is to just pull over like they don’t run his shit? He didn’t think ahead one bit. And for that, well, sucks to be stupid.

      9. Wright was charged with carrying an unregistered gun. He had an outstanding warrant for failing to appear in court to answer that charge. His license plate was expired, meaning he was driving illegally. He resisted his justified arrest when stopped. He tried to flee the scene, with the arresting officer still partly in the illegally-driven vehicle. The gun warrant alone would have appropriately allowed cops to pull Wright over, even if the car were in order. Should he have been shot? Probably not, but let’s not pretend that Wright is dead primarily because he did not obey basic laws, and because he physically resisted his lawful arrest, not because of an air freshener.

        1. None of those actions should have resulted in government attention. The gun charge was on it’s face unconstitutional. It should not be a crime to resist arrest. Expired plates should be a civil matter, not involving the police.

      10. No, this little criminal had expired plates. His death was not a matter of if, but when. These little thugs have zero respect for anyone or anything so they are always ‘resisting’. You reap what you sow.

      11. You mean exercising his Constitutional Rights without a government permission slip?

      12. He was pulled over for an expired tag and the air freshener was added afterward. The expired tag does not fit the narrative so it is not revealed.

      13. “The point is this guy never should have been pulled over to begin with.”

        Daunte Wright had an open warrant for an armed robbery. Perhaps that guy should have never shoved a gun in an innocent person’s face in an attempt to steal their money.

      14. Did you not read the update: EXPIRED TAGS, a Legitimate reason for stopping a vehicle. From behind it’s nearly impossible to tell the color of skin of a driver unless it was a convertible. Try it. Next time y’all are out driving, or going somewhere, try to guess the color of the skin of the driver directly in front of you & keep track of your guesses, whether right or wrong. Then pretend you are a police officer & are ‘racially profiling’ the driver directly in front. Note how accurate you are. Then judge a police officer for racial profiling.

        There were 2 TWO things mr. Wright did wrong: 1) he ignored the court appearance which necessitated the warrant & 2) he ran or walked away from the police officer. There were 2 TWO things the police officer did wrong: 1) she was too quick to go for her taser/firearm & 2) she failed to look to grab the correct ‘firearm’. They were BOTH culpable in mr. wright’s death. She has been arrested & will stand trial & mr. wright will hailed as a hero that he is Not. A criminal, no matter how his family ignores his criminal activity, is still a criminal & is responsible for the consequences of his actions. Did he deserve to die? NO!!!!! Everyone, No Matter the Color of their skin, is Responsible for their actions AND Everyone, No Matter the Color of their skin, is Responsible for the consequences of their actions!! EVERYONE!

    2. Way to miss the point. There wouldn’t have been an arrest to resist if the legislature (that is, the rest of us) hadn’t given the cops such a stupid excuse to initiate the confrontation.

      No, you shouldn’t resist arrest. But no, we also shouldn’t make stupid and unnecessary laws. People think these laws against fuzzy dice are somehow “okay” because the consequences are small. Cases like this remind us that the consequences are always potentially lethal.

      In other words, if it’s not worth killing someone over, stop making it illegal. The ‘no fuzzy dice’ rule doesn’t make the cut. Neither does the ‘no loosies’ rule. Butt out and let the police focus on crimes that actually should be criminal.

      1. Way to miss the point. There wouldn’t have been an arrest to resist if the legislature (that is, the rest of us) hadn’t given the cops such a stupid excuse to initiate the confrontation.

        As I said above, were that the point then the title of this piece wouldn’t have been “Overcriminalization Killed Daunte Wright”. Saying that the stop was triggered by a stupid law that shouldn’t be a stoppable offense is a valid argument. Claiming that it’s what killed him is not.

        In other words, if it’s not worth killing someone over, stop making it illegal.

        So you’re arguing for the elimination of all traffic codes that constitute stoppable offenses?

        1. “ So you’re arguing for the elimination of all traffic codes that constitute stoppable offenses?”

          Well, we could start by removing traffic codes were a victim can not be produced.

          To throw “all” in there is a straw man.

          1. In this day and age, victims produce themselves, too often.

            1. Contrarian alert. This man will argue the color of the sky because his wife left him for someone who isn’t such a cynic.

          2. To throw “all” in there is a straw man.

            It would appear that you don’t know what a “straw man” is. Here was the assertion to which I responded (I even directly quoted it in my original response):

            In other words, if it’s not worth killing someone over, stop making it illegal.

            Tell us which part(s) of which state/local traffic codes you think are worth killing someone over.

        2. Cops should not be policing traffic. There is no structural incentive for them to do anything other than revenue generate. With regards to traffic, cops should only be involved in property crimes like road rage and vehicular assault. Insurance companies should police traffic, vehicle safety, and driver habits. They actually stand to make money from safety, and have all the necessary mechanisms to resolve disputes and claims. Accidents involving uninsured drivers can be handled by acquiring insurance which includes coverage against uninsured drivers, and through normal tort claims.

          Forced insurance and registration schemes in vehicles work pretty much the same way the Affordable Care Act does, and are just as unnecessary – people just like the peace of mind that a mandate brings, even if it actually makes outcomes worse and erodes liberty.

          1. Accidents involving uninsured drivers can be handled by acquiring insurance which includes coverage against uninsured drivers,

            That already exists. The problem is that it adds to the cost of premiums, and it would add even more if the number of uninsured drivers increased.

            and through normal tort claims.

            Ah, you’re one of those who actually believes that you can squeeze blood from a stone.

            1. Premiums may increase, but I would be willing to bet that the costs of the increased premiums would be far less than the socialized costs of paying cops to police traffic. The benefits of having a property crime focused state police would also recoup costs, as recovery of property and apprehension of criminals would likely be higher. You would also see far less asset forfeiture and such, important because extrajudicial asset confiscation accounts for more losses than all burglaries combined. I am positive that overall this system would be cheaper and would trend towards lower, optimal costs.

              Of course many uninsured drivers would not have the ability to pay claims. Unexpected tragedy is literally the reason people voluntarily buy insurance, so like we agreed, uninsured drivers coverage would be the primary mechanism for dealing with this. The insurance companies would pursue those that are liable and take them to court, which would result in arrest, garnished wages, etc. The purpose of this would be to recoup costs and help keep down premiums. Two uninsured individuals (or their estates/representatives) would have to settle in court, unless there was a reason to consider the liable party criminally liable.

              I don’t think this is really all that weird. I am just describing how insurance interacts with a sound system of property law. I think it is stranger that we have adopted this crazy Affordable Care Act style system which is generally considered beyond reproach.

              1. Premiums may increase, but I would be willing to bet that the costs of the increased premiums would be far less than the socialized costs of paying cops to police traffic.

                You should probably steer clear of casinos. Urban/suburban police patrol units will still be needed, and much traffic enforcement is already performed by those patrols, so you’re largely just giving them less to do while they’re driving around looking for “the real bad guys”. Also, the cost of those units is spread across the entire tax-paying population, whereas the cost of uninsured motorist add-ons is not.

                The insurance companies would pursue those that are liable and take them to court, which would result in arrest, garnished wages, etc.

                Which adds even more cost…significantly so…to the process, which will be passed along to the rest of us.

      2. No sir, it’s YOU who are missing the point.

      3. They (probably) instituted that law after the fine citizens of Minneapolis failed to show up for their court dates, and were issued warrants. It’s a stupid pretext for stopping someone, but if you don’t have an OUTSTANDING WARRANT FOR YOUR ARREST then you (probably) have nothing to worry about.

        1. Making a law to have an excuse to stop people and check them for warrants is even shittier justification than the largely BS safety one.

          1. Maybe so, but if your city has an endemic problem of outstanding warrants for arrest, you try to find a way to bring more of those warrants to fruition. Either way, that is a problem of legislation, and not police enforcement. Furthermore, the stop was for an expired tag. But I’m sure the fuzzy dice narrative will become the Truth, facts be damned.

            1. If you really want to bring warrants to fruition, you do it by going to where you know the subjects will be – their places of residence or work. In a free society, you don’t do it by giving cops excuses to arbitrarily stop anyone they feel like “just in case”.

              1. Fruition? He was operating an illegally tagged vehicle on a public road with warrants. A cop spotted him. He brought it all on himself. If he went to court, he would not have a warrant.
                “giving cops excuses”
                Are you really that crazy? They are doing their job. He is a law breaker, a felon. Known to have gun charges and known to shoot that gun off in public. He is wanted in front of a Judge to answer for that warrant. If you don’t like the system, don’t break the law. Besides, it can and will go bad. You want equity? This female cop is equity. She screwed up and she will surely pay for it. If this stupid kid did not have warrants while operating an illegally tagged car, he never would have encountered this stupid woman. Trust me, the way that stupid woman acted, she certainly didn’t want to be in this situation but, being a cop put her there. Not one time have I heard that country and cities need more good female cops, they just wanted female cops. Welcome to 2021, our military is “woke even worse” and those Guardsmen have M4s.

                1. I hate my job, I hate my life
                  And if it weren’t for my two thumbs, I’d be crying every night
                  I know I shouldn’t go on, the fucking net again
                  But I just can’t let someone else, show me up again
                  So then he scrolled down to, the next comment in this thread
                  Made a snide remark, and we all wished he was dead
                  I hate everythinggggg

                2. Where have you seen “shoot a gun off in public?” I have only seen carry without a permit…a charge which doesn’t generally see much support from libertarians.

            2. If the warrant was so important, maybe they should have tracked him down before this?

              An expired tag is a paperwork issue, it should be handled as a civil matter not a law enforcement matter.

          2. Good thing that isnt what happened cunt

        2. “ you (probably) have nothing to worry about”

          That’s right folks, nothing to see here. If you have nothing to worry about, you should let me search your home. Your car. Run through your emails and phone calls.

          After all, you’re not a criminal, right?

          1. Well Johnny Craphouse lawyer. You can always turn down the vehicle search. Besides, weren’t you bragging about driving around with your MYcamera, “Karen Edition” locked and loaded and scaring off cops? They wouldn’t try that guff with you, right?

            1. Pay for sex.

              1. Or at least borrow the neighbors Victoria’s Secret catalog.

            2. You can turn down the vehicle search until they parade a trained dog around your car who will then alert on command of the handler.

      4. Kid wouldn’t have ran if he didnt miss his court date for felony possession of a hand gun. You guys really should choose better martyrs.

        1. Ah ok cool! Libertarians for gun control!

      5. What’s the “unnecessary” law? He had an outstanding warrant for failing to appear in court to answer a gun charge. That has nothing to do with fuzzy dice. Know the facts before you opine.

        1. The gun charge is unconstitutional on it’s face. If they warrant was so important, maybe send a patrol car to pick him up instead of letting him roam the streets at will. If the warrant was not serious enough to send an officer to arrest him, dismiss it.

          1. And if the cops had sent someone to arrest him on the warrant, how do you think that would have gone? He would’ve just gone with them, no questions asked, and accepted his fate, like he should’ve done here?

            And guess where the best place is to argue a law is unconstitutional? But he already had problems finding that place once, hence why he had a warrant in the first place.

    3. Reason continues to lower the bar… where is James Cameron? We need him to raise the bar!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJADQsOq_qo

    4. Compliance would have saved so many lives, as with this one.

      It is pure idiocy not to bring that up.

    5. I have trouble with an officer mistaking a plastic taser for a handgun.

      1. Many duty pistols have boxy plastic grips as well.

        Still an Earth shatteringly bad mistake. Negligent homicide at the very least.

    6. If he hadn’t been stopped for an idiotic reason there would have been no arrest to resist.

      1. He was stopped for an expired tag. That’s not idiotic, or unreasonable. His outstanding warrant alone would have justified his being pulled over.

        1. Cops should not be policing traffic. There is no structural incentive for them to do anything other than revenue generate. With regards to traffic, cops should only be involved in property crimes like road rage and vehicular assault. Insurance companies should police traffic, vehicle safety, and driver habits. They actually stand to make money from safety, and have all the necessary mechanisms to resolve disputes and claims. Accidents involving uninsured drivers can be handled by acquiring insurance which includes coverage against uninsured drivers, and through normal tort claims.

          1. This is obviously not something that ANYONE is talking about, because once the state assumes a role it rarely ever vacates it…but yeah, cops should not be policing traffic. It is stupid, and a waste of time. Cops should be resolving property crimes. That’s it.

            1. Unpoliced traffic is quickly going to become lots of property offenses.

              1. Traffic should not be policed by cops, but should be policed by insurance companies according to the service contracts and coverage agreements. A free market solution would likely consist of voluntary vehicle monitoring and on-road insurance contractors who police drivers. Poor driving habits are penalized through premiums and fines, which are consented to in the course of procuring the insurance service. A competitive insurance market would quickly settle on the most ideal combination of coverage, penalties, and policing. If you do not want to consent, you may drive uninsured – but will still be 100% liable through tort law. If you are concerned about uninsured drivers, driving insurance may be procured which covers damages from uninsured drivers. Uninsured drivers will be pursued legally by the insurance companies. In the event that the driver cannot be negotiated with, state police will be engaged in order to bring the driver to court.

                This is freer, higher performing, and a more efficient use of police.

                1. Third world driving is something I’ve directly experienced in El Salvador and Nicaragua.

                  Pass.

                  1. The United States has no centralized healthcare (kind of). El Salvador does. Compulsory insurance does not result in high quality.

                    They’re third world countries, like you said. The people are poor. The roads and cars suck. The system of law sucks. Insurance there sucks. Compulsory insurance won’t produce a first world driving experience there, the same as a free market won’t produce third world conditions here.

    7. The author conflates “abusive policing” with “overcriminalization”. Even if the air freshener was the reason for the stop, which we’re now told it wasn’t, enforcing a law is not abusive policing. Lay the blame where it belongs … with legislators who pass stupid laws and governors who sign them.

  2. Upon trying to detain him, Wright re-entered his car

    Ok I see where the over criminalization happened.

    1. Amazing how people get color blind to some people’s ridiculous behavior win pulled over by the police.

      1. DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

  3. “it was important reminder of the ill effects of criminalizing the most trivial behaviors.”

    The idea that the killing was BECAUSE of overcriminalization is absurd unless @reason can show proper criminalization would not have resulted in the killing.

    1. I believe their point is that he wouldn’t have been pulled over [but for the silly law], and two warrants for misdemeanor offenses would not have popped up, and then he would not have been shot instead of tasered.

      Looks like a proximate cause sort of thing.

      1. I don’t disagree, but they do themselves no favors minimizing his role in the outcome.

      2. How about the “proximate cause” being a police officer who somehow cannot tell the difference between a taser and a service gun?

        I suppose the Minneapolis police chief will testify that this, too, was not consistent with police officer training.

        Police training in Minneapolis sure seems to be deficient, doesn’t it?

        1. The lack of law abiding citizens seems to be a problem as well. My town is the same size as Minneapolis and we only have 1/4 th the violent crime.

        2. This didn’t happen in Minneapolis.

          1. You got me. But the rioting will be in Minneapolis, right? Makes sense, after all, this didn’t happen in Minneapolis. It guess that there would be rioting in Minneapolis because like fungi in the forest, all ghettos are interconnected.

            1. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1381750719993294850?s=19

              #BLM protests and riots have been announced for Brooklyn Center, Minn., Seattle, New York City, Portland, Berkeley, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, Omaha, Kansas City, Washington D.C., Fort Lee, N.J., Hoover, Alab., Fort Wayne, Ind.

              1. Because this will fix all the wrongs in this case.

                Lake Wobegone style and all.

      3. I believe their point is that he wouldn’t have been pulled over [but for the silly law], and two warrants for misdemeanor offenses would not have popped up, and then he would not have been shot instead of tasered.

        Looks like a proximate cause sort of thing.

        But it’s a stupid point, as there are a hundred other things you could point to that led up to the confrontation…including his failure to show up in court when he was supposed to. Singling out a valid stop (even if the traffic code behind it is a stupid one) is pretty arbitrary…unless you’re just pushing a narrative.

        1. So was it an air freshener hanging from the rearveiw mirror or expired tags?

          1. Expired tags you retarded fuck.

      4. Except…that is not true. He was pulled over for an expired tag, and lest we forget, an outstanding warrant is enough to pull over a driver to begin with. The myth is that air fresheners in any way contributed to this shooting.

    2. I’ll have a go:
      Constitutional carry (like in 19 other states) would have produced no gun charge, thus no warrant.

      If we are to have registration (I have posted a few times in this comment section about alternatives), then registering once when an owner takes ownership of the car seems sufficient. Registration schemes exist only to extort the people.

      And the air freshener needs no further explanation.

      ***Of course, resisting arrest is a bad idea. He was stupid, she was stupid, someone died***

  4. “After pulling Wright over for violating a Minnesota law that prohibits drivers from hanging objects—a rosary, fuzzy dice, an air freshener—from their mirrors,”

    And this was, no doubt, brought into being with the best of possible intentions. All to make it “safer” for the good citizens of MN.

    1. I never saw that little six year old girl. She was hidden behind my fuzzy dice.

      IF IT ONLY SAVES ONE LIFE

    2. Lots of states have this law. I think it is a case of “legislature monkey see” “legislature monkey do”.

  5. So should cops enforce warrants, or not?

    1. *** scratches head ***

      How about cops enforce warrants, but automatically provide a photo ID and register you to vote as part of the process?

      1. Best off the cuff comment. Thread Over.

      2. Nicely done.

      3. But only if the suspect is a BIPOC, illegal alien or has outstanding warrants for failure to appear.

    2. Without answering your question (because it isn’t a very honest or good one) I will point out that enforcement will have as an ultimate consequence, the potential for death at the hands of law enforcement. Consider what you want enforced very carefully.

      1. Just some of the offenses mentioned in the article,

        (carrying a pistol without a permit) depends
        (fleeing officers) yes
        (selling loose cigarettes) no

        1. (carrying a pistol without a permit) no
          (fleeing officers) usually yes, given lawful arrest
          (selling loose cigarettes) no
          (registration renewal) shouldn’t require renewal unless changing ownership
          (objects on the mirror) no

      2. I’ve been pulled over by the cops and not once shot by the police. I also don’t have any outstanding warrants for my arrest (to my knowledge anyway).

        The real question is why so many people fail to show up for court, and what we can do about that in a classical liberal society. Giving people a pass doesn’t seem like a good answer.

        1. Neither is shooting them.

          1. Actually, I’d have to disagree. At least in extreme cases.

            I live in a liberal shithole city in CA where the racial and ethnic demographics are about 20% each. No one group holds anything close to a majority.

            I can tell you that most of my non white neighbors and friends would be happy to see anyone shooting some of the low life thugs that ruin this place for all of us.

            But, it’s always the “he was a good boy” crowd that gets the news coverage. The majority of people see right through this. No matter their fake government provided identifying label.

        2. You wouldn’t here to write it if your were shot by the police. So everybody who has not been shot (yet) can think that nobody gets shot.

          1. That isn’t even what I wrote. Have you been tested for reading comprehension? How about sarcasm?

            1. Sorry, detecting sarcasm is difficult nowadays.

        3. “The real question is why so many people fail to show up for court”

          Because they haven’t actually been notified?

          I’ve never been had up on criminal charges, but I have only found out about a (nonsense) financial claim against me three years after the court case. The idiots claiming I owed them money had falsely stated that they’d been in communication with me, had confirmed my current address, etc, when in fact they’d sent two or three letters to somewhere I’d stayed for a few nights years previously. It wasn’t particularly hard to sort it out, not least because the court was seriously unimpressed with their behaviour.

          1. BS!

            Courts require proof of service in all such cases. BTDT

      3. So we can only enforce laws worth killing the accused over? What the hell are you smoking?

        So everything is legal/unenforceable UNLESS “The Community” agrees it is worth killing someone over?

        In this case, he was killed because he chose to resist arrest, leap back into the car and try and get away…

        1. I’d say he actually did get away in the sense that they weren’t able to arrest him.

          To me the bigger problem is the cop couldn’t tell the difference between left and right nor a taser and a pistol – they carry them on opposite sides for this very reason, negligence. Add to that the officer could easily have shot and killed anyone in front of them because there was no muzzle control or trigger discipline at all, negligence. Finally, the cop’s hand sweeps out of frame and comes right back empty in under 1 second, did the officer really holster the weapon that fast or drop it? If they picked it up from the street, negligence.

          That said, have no fear, the officer is part of the qualified community of the negligent immune.

          1. They should put that post on the building with the statement, “Shit happens and we take any cop we can get, don’t break the law or one of them may shoot you accidentally”.

            1. Cool story bro

    3. “ So should cops enforce warrants, or not?”

      Should warrants be issued when no victim can claim harm?

      1. Good Q. If observing 2A is ground for warrants and bills of attainder, why not warrants and license to kill for saying something hurtful under color of the First Amendment? In Houston exercising 4th Amendment rights with 2A capabilities is grounds for instant execution, plus a reward, bonus, raise and promotion for the First Responder™. How long before the bailiff can blow the head off of anyone claiming the Fifth Amendment in open court?

  6. Good luck under this administration for not having unpermitted gun possession criminalized.

    1. Unless you are a Hunter.

      1. I see what you did there. 🙂

  7. police noticed there was a warrant out for Wright’s arrest

    Let’s not pay attention to this part at all. Being a wanted criminal and repeatedly fleeing police is bound to end well.

    1. Let’s pay attention only to that part and use it to distract from the point that it’s a stupid law and that there is always a risk that any confrontation with police will escalate to lethal force.

      1. You think what you’re doing is any better?

      2. Let’s pay attention only to that part and use it to distract from the point that it’s a stupid law and that there is always a risk that any confrontation with police will escalate to lethal force.

        It’s not necessary to pay attention only to that part. One need only realize that it’s the part that mattered the most here, because without it…and without Wright’s decision to try to flee from arrest AGAIN…the traffic offense he was pulled over for being a stupid one is pretty irrelevant. Any non-criminal would have been look at a ticket at worst, and more likely a warning and been on their way.

        1. Well, that’s not quite right.
          If the tag was expired, they’d tow the car.

          I was commenting based on his (erroneous) assertion that the stop was for something “stupid” like an object dangling from the rearview mirror…for which nothing more than a ticket would be issued. But even an expired registration does not result in towing/impounding the vehicle unless it has been expired for more than 90 days.

      3. What is a stupid law? Requiring a permit to carry a gun? Requiring you to appear in court when charged? Requiring you to renew your car registration? Requiring you to comply with police directions when being arrested? Please, enlighten us.

      4. So, don’t confront the police and it will end well in 99.99999999% of cases.

  8. I agree that pulling someone over for air freshners is stupid. But that was not the proximate cause of Wright’s death. That fact that he had outstanding warrants and attempted to flee the scene (again) led to the shooting. But I also agree that police not being able to readily differentiate between their gun and their taser is of great and continuing concern. Just ask Oscar Grant.

    1. Look at all the totally-not-racists in this comments section!

      The reason he is dead is because the chick cop couldn’t tell whether she was holding a gun or a tazer. They did not even know he had warrants at the time of the pull over, and a warrant for arrest is not a death warrant.

      Your vigorous defense of murdering cops is noted though. Do you actually have any libertarian beliefs, or just another embarrassed “conservative”?

      1. “They did not even know he had warrants at the time of the pull over, and a warrant for arrest is not a death warrant.”

        They did when they were arresting him, which he resisted.

        Of course, you have to play shitty games because you’re a garbage human.

        1. I’m the shitty human? Buddy, you’re defending what was clearly gross negligence that ended in death by the police.

          The cops are already owning up to this one. There is no doubt that this was not a justified shoot. You are defending the cops harder than the cops’ union even is.

          1. Yes SQRLSY, you’re the shitty human.

          2. “Buddy, you’re defending ”

            He is?

            No he isn’t. You’re straight up lying.

            1. Strong argument. Let me see if I can make it more succinct for you.
              …ahem…: “Nah-uh.”

              Are you very low intelligence, or is english not your first language?

              1. Then you should be able to quote it.

                1. “They did when they were arresting him, which he resisted.”

                  Right there, where he defends their use of force, claiming it was based on his having a warrant.

                  Or is your argument that he chose to cite the warrant for the purpose of….I can’t even think of an alternative explanation. That’s how ridiculous this vein is.

                  Just own up to be cop-suckers, and quit with the childish word games. (That you can’t even win.)

                  1. “Right there, where he defends their use of force,”

                    You misspelled “acknowledges” because you know you’re wrong and were lying.

                    1. Apparently, saying something happened is defending it.

                      This will definitely not be used against DOL later when he pulls his stupid shit.

                  2. I can’t even think of an alternative explanation

                    Yes we are aware you’re not very bright.

                  3. DOL embarrassing himself again.

        2. Should resisting arrest be a capital crime? The bootlickers are out in full force today. The fact that the kid did something stupid doesn’t negate the officer’s extremely negligent behavior – you know, when she shot him with a goddamned gun instead of a taser…

          1. “Should resisting arrest be a capital crime? The bootlickers are out in full force today.”

            The fact that you’re a stupid mother fucker who doesn’t recognize reality is nit in fact evidence that other people are bootlickers.

            There’s a reason you play these rhetorical bullshit games.

            1. The reality is, a cop shot the kid with a gun that she thought was a taser. Which she admits on tape. The OP says him trying to flee is the proximate cause of his death. I would argue the cop’s extremely negligent behavior is the proximate cause of his death. That’s what I’m getting at. Many commenters here don’t want to address that part of it.

              And as the article points out, this all could have been avoided if cops weren’t armed with a million laws for bullshit stops.

              1. Fuck off SQRLSY

              2. Or, you know, he could have simply submitted to the officers. If he didn’t resist, the officer wouldn’t have tried to reach for her taser, when she mistakenly grabbed her gun.

              3. the kid

                20-year-olds are kids now?

                Think of the children.

                1. I think Obamacare defines kids as 26 years old or less. Of course technically everyone is somebody’s children.

                  Well, people like me might get a pass given the little white hair that’s left and my parents are both long dead. Still, the folks would count as some “body” more or less so it’s all a bit ambiguous depending on how you phrase it.

          2. So you’re ok with “everyone who disagrees with me is racist” I guess.

          3. “Should resisting arrest be a capital crime?”
            That depends completely on the manner of resistance, doesn’t it? In this case, the officer, by all accounts, did not intend to use lethal force, but did attempt to stop a person who was wanted by authorities. She should certainly be held accountable for making such a consequential error as mistaking her gun for a taser. But, really, there is plenty of fault to spread around in most of these shootings.

      2. Chick cop? Hey, look at the misogynist in this comments section! C’mon, Man. You know that this story is new and is clearly tainted with ghetto nonsense. The truth is always slow to arrive.
        I highly doubt that any Minneapolis cop is looking to pull over motorists in the ghetto for any reason. What is the point? They won’t be prosecuted anyways unless you have probable cause and reasonable suspicion. Why would the cop risk himself over a minor crime in this day and age? I read several stories about this and they are all conflicting.

        1. There’s a video. She yells taser three times then shoot him with a glock. After she shoots him, she basically says, “Woops, I shot him”, and the look on the other officer’s face is telling.

          This isn’t about whether or not the dead man was guilty of anything. This is about whether it was appropriate and legal to shoot him. By the cops’ own admission, this was a mistake. So all the guys arguing for the cops here are basically saying they shot him on accident but they should have shot him on purpose anyway? You see the disconnect in the logic here.

          The one lady cop was the cause of this. I have seen enough police videos of women officers being overwhelmed physically by subjects and sometimes resorting to the worst uses of guns I have ever seen (and that’s saying something). Women should not be on the beat, or in the infantry, and I’m sticking to it.

          This has nothing to do with race, other than the usual broad issues about those who are regularly interacting with police, etc.

          1. Now, knowing the capability and current state of police forces, I will be even less apt to break any laws.

            1. We get it, you and sqrlsy aren’t gay, you’re bi.

      3. “Look at all the totally-not-racists in this comments section!

        The reason he is dead is because the chick cop couldn’t tell whether she was holding a gun or a tazer.”

        Lol
        Embarrassing

      4. Look at all the totally-not-racists in this comments section!

        Like anyone needed yet another reason to not take you seriously.

      5. They knew before they asked him to step out of the car. Watch the tape again.

      6. Lol. You said a 10 year veteran deserved to be shot in the head for trespassing you stolen Valor fuck.

      7. Ironically, you don’t appear to “reason” very well. The root cause in this chain of events was Wright violating a gun law and being charged. The proximate causes, in order, were, failing to appear in court, letting his tags expire, resisting arrest, failure to comply with lawful police orders, attempting to illegally flee the scene, and a police officer firing their sidearm instead of a taser.

  9. ” . . . If an officer cannot distinguish between a firearm and a taser, we have a problem . . . ”

    You do know that many tasers look like a pistol, right?
    https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B07PN6MHHQ/reasonmagazinea-20/
    (note that until the taser is out of the holster the cop can’t see the (alleged) safety yellow cap that shows it is a taser. By then if it is NOT a taser, it’s too late.)

    And in some cases the light will not be so good, and there is a limited timeframe to decide which is which.

    1. It’s not that hard. The taser is usually worn in a reverse (cross) draw to make it even easier. The safety and aiming devices are completely different. One is painted fucking bright yellow.

      There is video of the shooting, ya know. The officer yells “Taser Taser”, which is clearly their SOP meant to help distinguish between taser and handgun deployment, right before she shoots him with a glock. She even says “Oh no, I shot him.”

      Big payout coming for the family.

      1. Big payout coming for the family

        Leave it to you to zero in on what’s important.

        1. That’s entirely in your head.

          1. Actually sugar, it’s entirely in your quote.

            1. Then quote it.

              Specifically where I suggest that the payout is what is important.

              Oh, it’s not there? Well then, I guess it is all in your head.

              See how logical arguments work? Try it.

              1. I did sugar.

                Are you very low intelligence, or is english not your first language?

                1. There is no mention or even suggestion of importance.

                  Thus, it is all in your head.

                  I see you still don’t understand logic. Your local community college may offer philosophy courses which would greatly improve your abilities in this area.

                  1. There is no mention or even suggestion of importance

                    I thought I didn’t quote it?

                    Oh dear sugar you’re all turned around.

              2. De Oppresso Liber
                April.12.2021 at 4:19 pm
                Then quote it

                D. Frohm
                April.12.2021 at 4:10 pm
                Big payout coming for the family

                You’re really bad at trolling

                1. 2 dummies!

                  No one ever called cop-suckers “smart”.

                  1. 2 dummies!

                    How you know SQLRSY knows he fucked up.

      2. Only in Minneapolis. In my town, they don’t pay criminals for being criminals.

    2. If a cop has to look at his/her weapon to know if it’s the lethal one, something is very, very seriously wrong. How do you possibly not know your right from your left? Or if you, for some stupid reason, choose to put both holsters on the right, up from down?

      Lighting has nothing to do with it. Cops draw their weapons in the dark all the time. They have to get it right. Getting it wrong (for example, drawing the taser when they needed the pistol) is potentially lethal the other way. Getting it wrong is inexcusable.

      1. I presume that you’ve been in a fast-moving, high-pressure scenario that requires split-second accurate decisions? That you know for a fact that you’d react correctly and grab your Taser rather than your gun?

        1. For clarity, I’m not justifying the shoot at all. I just find it laughable that Internet cowboys think that any type of person will be 100% accurate in such a situation. Drawing the wrong weapon happens occasionally. Even the most well-trained individuals cannot achieve 100% accuracy under pressure. And in a country of 330 million people, even tiny inaccuracy rates will result in deaths.

          1. What would happen to an ordinary citizen making the same mistake? Same thing should happen to the cop. Or perhaps even harsher punishment since the cops are supposed to have all of this great training and should be held to higher standards than people who don’t.

            1. Depends. Does the ordinary citizen live in a state that follows the common law on citizens’ arrests? Then the exact same thing would have happened. Does the ordinary citizen live in a state that recognizes that we hire police to enforce laws and that they are, therefore, not at all comparable to ordinary citizens?

              1. No. In a state that follows the common law on citizens’ arrests, the citizen could maybe use that as a defense in his trial. It would not stop the citizen from being immediately arrested. Maybe the prosecutor would look at the situation and drop the charges. As far as I can tell, the cop in this situation faces no charges at all (and given qualified immunity, probably never will).

                1. Qualified immunity has nothing to do with criminal liability. It merely holds that law enforcement officials cannot be held civilly liable for certain acts. This is an open and shut case of involuntary manslaughter and the cop will likely be charged with that. Given Ellison’s extreme overcharging in the Chauvin case, it’s entirely possible she’ll be charged with much worse offenses.

                2. Seriously? You’re concerned about getting arrested or not? The real question is about whether or not a conviction is likely to follow.

        2. Yes, I’ve been in exactly that kind of fast-moving, high-pressure scenario requiring split-second accurate decisions. (In my case, Army, not police.) That’s why we train so much and do things like put the holster in the same spot every time. When your brain thinks Tazer (or whatever weapon), your hand grabs the right one from muscle memory, not because you have to think about it or look at it.

          I don’t know that I’m perfect but I do know that there is no excuse for failure.

        3. Yes, I know that for a fact. Now what?

          1. It must be nice to be in an epistemically impossible situation.

      2. Have you ever handled weapons when you are stressed? It gets difficult very quickly in a stressful situation. Look it up, it is a medical fact. The stress and adrenaline work directly on your ability to handle weapons properly. You also get tunnel vision when adrenaline is pumping through you. It takes months of serious training to get guys to identify it and counter it. You hold your breath, your heart rate goes through the roof, you lose feeling in your extremities and your digits don’t work properly. Ask any real combat vet about it or you can read “On killing” by Grossman.
        That is why the military drills combat arms types hard when they are tired and stressed out. They try to induce stress so the soldier knows what it feels like and can overcome it’s negative physical impact. The cops certainly don’t get that level of training. Stressing people out in training is a no-no, especially when it comes to female officers so nobody does it anymore.

        1. All true. Which is why that level of training is essential. If cops aren’t getting that level of training (and I agree that most probably aren’t), that’s equally inexcusable.

        2. Good comment. I’ve had a panic attack and it does indeed make it essentially impossible to operate normally. I’m not too proud to admit I’m a big coward, and lots of things can stress me out to the point of inducing a panic attack. I avoid fights for this reason.

          Still, we should hold the cop accountable for using lethal force when she clearly intended to use nonlethal force. These kind of mistakes cannot be ignored. If she were to lose her job for insufficient training, that’s too bad. But there must be an accounting.

      3. Agreed. That, however, is the proximate cause of Wright’s death, not the root cause. She should not have mixed up her weapons, but he should never have been in that position in the first place.

        1. It has nothing to do with proximate cause. It gets to state of mind. Murder requires intent. Manslaughter doesn’t.

    3. There’s no excuse for mistaking her gun for her tazer. Whatever the extent of liability (manslaughter, negligent homicide, 3rd degree murder) would be appropriate to such an action is what she should face here.

      1. Assuming a jury buys her story that she intended to draw her Taser (which seems plausible based on her reaction in the video), it’s involuntary manslaughter at most under Minnesota law. The only way she’s getting worse is if the Taser usage was somehow not justifiable and constitutes a predicate assault under Minnesota’s truly twisted felony murder law.

            1. Politicians and media really need to stop casually throwing around words like “murder.” Murder is a specific set of crimes that require a particular state of mind (intent or extreme disregard for the value of human life). These are extremely difficult charges to prove. Using the word “murder” when it’s all but impossible to prove state of mind is super dangerous. It gets the masses worked up and pisses them off when there’s no conviction because there was never a good case for murder in the first place. But I guess “this cop is a manslaughterer” just doesn’t make for a good sound bite.

  10. We either need to decriminalize all minor things, or we need to punish the hell out of them. This halfway between state where we have a million rarely enforced laws is rife with abuse. We use these laws only to target people we don’t like or would like to catch for other things. Likewise the light sentences and plea bargains given for minor infractions makes it so it is easy not to be concerned about the punishment for things like skipping a trial.

    I agree, it should not be illegal to hang a small air freshener from your rearview mirror. But when things are illegal they should result in severe penalties.

    Upon travelling to Singapore (a known dictatorship with severely harsh penalties, and laws against things like chewing gum) the first thing you may notice is just how much less you get treated like a criminal. When landing in the airport the Flight Crew reminded us that even a small personal quantity of narcotics would get you the death penalty (as if to warn the passengers to leave their stash on the plane), so I expected a full on police state, with strict customs and boarder control.

    1st was the Immigration counter where they were super friendly and stamped my passport (I travel all over the world and Singapore is seriously one of the very easiest), and then there were two doors to choose from for Customs. This is where some countries will search your bags and detain you for breaking out in a sweat (including the US where I have had my bags searched numerous times), I picked the “Nothing to Declare” door, and was literally jaw-droppingly, stunned to see I was suddenly outside the Airport. This was literally one of the strictest countries in the world, and you didn’t even have to speak to a customs agent.

    I have been to Singapore numerous times since then, and although I would never want to live under some of their laws (freedom of speech in particular is bad there), I am always stunned by how effective their methods of law enforcement and crime control are.

    Nobody litters, nobody jaywalks, people are polite and kind, and the cops you see have white gloves and are directing traffic. It is shockingly different that the US, where cops are everywhere, wearing tactical gear and treating everyone like criminals.

    They have mastered the use of punishment as a deterrent to crime, and so there literally is no minor crime. You’d have to be nuts to commit a crime in Singapore, so nobody does.

    Contrast that to the US, where we live in what feels much more like a militarized police state, where we are treated like criminals while the police let property crimes against us run rampant without even an attempt at investigation. It often makes me wonder, if we have a law against it, shouldn’t the penalty be high enough to deter the crime? Instead we have this squishy middle place that we make everything illegal, with minor repercussions, but then only enforce it on those we want to destroy.

    TLDR, reduce what things are illegal, and whatever thing remains important to enforce at the threat of death and violence, should be punished severely so as to provide serious disincentive to ever commit a crime.

    1. We can have our current systems of laws and enforcement with one major change: actual accountability for police misconduct and crime.

      1. Although I do think caning or some other corporal punishment is actually more humane and effective than a prison sentence for lower level or property crime. Helps with the question of what to punish homeless criminals with, also.

        1. You think someone deserves to be shot for trespassing.

          1. He also fantasizes about mowing down civilians with an Apache helicopter. He’s truly a sociopath.

      2. Agreed. But the same should be true for criminals. If this idiot was in jail he would be alive today.

    2. Are you auditioning for Resident Reddit Thread Ambassador?

    3. So, the death penalty, when carried out within a short time frame without delay, works there? Who knew?

    4. It the purpose of the law is to have everyone guilty of something at all times. Then selective becomes one of the biggest powers of the ruling class. It’s been brought up many times, expecially when it comes to CA where they will make a bill and then write in who doesn’t have to follow it I.e. Ab 5. It’s not about good governance it’s about power

      1. Dude, drive through any ghetto and see how many people are breaking laws. It is overwhelming. In the ghetto, nobody follows even the most basic laws. They have no idea what the laws even are. Let me know if you see someone use a turn signal or does a legal lane change. It is a mess.
        Then, come to my town. I have not seen a street crime in years. It is rare to see someone pulled over. We have the same laws as the nearby city, but people tend to be law abiding. If you told me that such a place existed when I was a kid in the ghetto I would have thought that you were lying.

    5. A sunset provision in all laws would do wonders. If it’s actually an important law, the legislature can be bothered to re-enact it every 5-10 years or something like that.

    6. That’s a good point. Obviously death penalty for drugs is insane for anyone with any libertarian leanings. But (if I trusted the government to do it well) I could almost get behind killing anyone who commits a violent assault against anyone and very harshly punishing property crimes. I think we’d see muggings and robberies and burglaries decline real fast. Being well armed already seems to help the US relative to many other countries in that respect.

    7. I agree 100%. But we have an army of lawmakers, who don’t want to be out of work.

    8. I understand this was stupidly written before the facts were known, but this has nothing to do with air fresheners. I imagine that the “no hanging from the mirror” law was designed to avoid people polluting a clear view of the road (a reasonable goal), but that is not why Wright was stopped, and not why they were arresting him.

  11. It’s so weird how you and SQRLSY always show up at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME.

  12. The “consequences of overcriminalization” include being pulled over for actions that maybe don’t rise to that level of inconvenience. But let’s not conflate that consequence with what actually caused the ultimate outcome here: outstanding warrants and failure to follow lawful orders.

  13. I’ve never heard of a law like this – people around here have all sorts of things hanging from their rear-view mirrors. These days it’s mostly surgical masks.

    Do we know for sure that it is why he was pulled over? From what I’ve heard, his mother told the media that he told her that is why. Not the most air-tight evidence ever, but it’s what we had as of this morning. I haven’t seen the body cam videos yet, just descriptions. Maybe that will clear it up.

    I do recall that we had a similar incident here in St. Louis where a police officer ‘accidentally’ shot a shoplifting suspect when she meant to use her stun gun:

    https://apnews.com/article/d34f5a774a974c3691902b168d95d120

    But luckily the shoplifting suspect survived.

    Also in the linked article: “The shooting is among at least 13 since 2001 in which officers said they mixed up their guns and stun guns, University of Missouri-St. Louis criminologist David Klinger said. He noted that police officers typically train by drawing their gun, not their stun gun, and that becomes habit.”

    1. “From what I’ve heard, his mother told the media that he told her that is why”. “Not the most air-tight evidence ever, but it’s what we had as of this morning”.

      Have you ever in your life seen a mother of a felon admit any wrong doing to the police? Have you ever seen a mother of a felon take responsibility for her criminal son’s actions? The mother wasn’t there. She was on the phone at another location. Besides, what kind of a son calls Mommy when he is being pulled over? Sounds to me like he was prepping her to get bail money.
      This is the very reason that they canceled the reality cop shows. Reality in the ghetto is a solid 180 from what the media reports. “Da trooff hurts”.

  14. he was pulled over for having an outstanding warrant. so stop rehashing lies.

    1. That’s false. They didn’t even know who was driving when they pulled him over. He was stopped for an expired registration tag…routine stop that gets officers killed.

  15. I think the focus should to not “act the fool” when the polices give you an order. Cop with a gun walks up and tells you to do jumping jacks, do the jumping jacks and seek justice when mister trigger happy isn’t jumpy.

    1. Bingo!

      Hey, you were in the military weren’t you?

  16. A reminder: democrat run city, democrat run state. The blame lies exactly at the feet of the most illiberal authoritarian donkey party.

    1. Nope. Somehow Trump will come up.

  17. Millions people of all races get pulled over every year, many for minor offences. They don’t get shot because they don’t resist or run from police. Let’s start with the basics before you go pinning this on the cops.

  18. No.

    He didn’t die from over-criminalization. And neither did the guy selling illegal cigarettes.

    They both died because they had a history of criminal activity, and were currently engaged in criminal activity. And, most importantly, THEY RESISTED ARREST. ARRESTS THAT WERE ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED, AND IN FACT, REQUIRED.

    An officer was just recently shot when he allowed a female suspect to slip away and get back into her car to retrieve a gun, and shoot him. After…..the vehicle she was driving was determined to belong to a fugitive, just like yesterday.

    And if you review the cigarette guy, and listen to the tape just before the physical altercation, you will find that he said, “Not today.” HE DECIDED THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ARRESTED, AND FOUGHT POLICE.

    If I did either, I’d be dead, too.

    Right now, police (and citizens) are so jumpy because CERTAIN people believe that they are not only above the law, that the law is for their benefit (rioting and lawsuits) and not their regulation in any way, shape, or form. Which is going to lead to more hair trigger moments, unfortunately.

    1. Eric Garner was not selling cigarettes that day. The police started harassing him because they recognized him from selling on previous days. That day he had just broken up a fight.

    2. You are incorrect as to Eric Garner’s death. He wasn’t arrested for selling loosies. He had been arrested for that in the past, but on the day he was killed loosies weren’t involved. There was a fight between two other people in front of the bodega and the owner called the cops. When the cops got there the two guys fighting had already left. As the police were questioning the people there, they said Garner had helped break up the fight and defuse the situation. Since the alleged perps were gone, the cops decided to hassle Garner, since they recognized him from previous arrests. Yes resisting arrest was unwise, but the asshole cops were abusing their power and engaging in a knowingly false arrest.

    3. This is from the very pro Eric Garner Wikipedia account:

      “NYPD officers approached Garner on July 17 on suspicion of selling single cigarettes from packs without tax stamps. After Garner told the police that he was tired of being harassed and that he was not selling cigarettes, the officers attempted to arrest Garner. When Pantaleo placed his hands on Garner, Garner pulled his arms away.”

      Garner was a long time criminal, under *reasonable* suspicion, and resisted arrest. It was a case of suicide.

      I, and many others, simultaneously condemn illegal police activity, and also condemn the coddling, and indeed glorification and enrichment of criminals and criminal culture at taxpayer expense.

      1. And, again, in the video I saw and heard at the time, Eric Garner proclaimed, “Not today.”

        Too many people believe that they are now above the law, and can choose whether or not they will cooperate.

        All of which doesn’t even take into account the state of mind active law enforcement personnel must be laboring under. They are under siege, politically, financially, in terms of personnel “criminal” and civil liability, and, oh, yes, THEY ARE GETTING KILLED, ATTACKED, HOSPITALIZED AND ABUSED EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY

        Again, if a police officer is breaking the law, throw the book at him, or her. But, support law enforcement, as a concept and as an institution and as a profession. Soon, I fear, we will find out the price we will pay for destroying law enforcement. It will be a lot more than the millions paid out to the “victim’s” families. It may be your life, or the life of YOUR family members. When it happens, call Al Sharpton for help.

    4. When we declare open season on people looting and/or being violent towards others, the madness will stop.

      We have historical proof right here in the usa

  19. Ya can’t fix stupid.

    1. Sure you can. But you have to start from birth and follow up throughout their youth. Two parents really helps.

    2. I’d say stupid was fixed and he is no longer a problem

  20. When I was younger, I used to get shot or strangled and killed by the police all the time.

    But then I decided to just do what they tell me to do. I stopped fighting with them, grabbing for their guns, and trying to run them over with my car.

    And it’s amazing!

    I haven’t been shot or killed a single time since!

    1. The “strangling” always sort of turned me on.
      I called a Chicago cop a “pig” while trying to impress a few hippie girls in the local park. I suffered a broken nose and a few hours cuffed to the wall at the station. You won’t believe this, but my “square” father made me apologize to the policemen for my behavior with my nose broken and my shirt soaked in blood! Who does that? Then, he apologized for my bad behavior and promised that he would fix me. Weird, huh? Thanks, Dad. I’m all grown up now and have no criminal record.

      1. Dude. You should not have apologized. WTF, that’s called police abuse!

        1. Uh, you had go be there.

          I ride a motorcycle. Lots of cage drivers infringe on my rights.

          But I’m hardly retarded enough to assert my rights against a two ton vehicle with sn entitled idiot bend the wheel.

          Sure. I’d be “right”. Dead right.

  21. Rational people would think that Minnesota localities would have revisited these moronic petty laws after Floyd. Makes you wonder what government does all day besides collect the check.

    1. Rational people would think that Minnesota localities would have revisited these moronic petty laws after Floyd. Makes you wonder what government does all day besides collect the check.

      Rational people would first consider the shit-level of “journalism” that takes place at Reason these days before blindly swallowing their regurgitation of bullshit claims as though they were established fact. As it turns out, the stop was for expired license plates…not for an “air freshener dangling from the mirror” as Wright’s mother claimed.

      1. Well, it’s stupid that the law requires you to register your vehicle. #fascism

        1. Sure. That’s an argument worth having. But that’s not the argument Bunion is making.

      2. Rational people would first consider the shit-level of “journalism” that takes place at Reason these days

        The smart libertarians left here years ago. Come over to the Dark Side:

        https://glibertarians.com/

    2. Minnesota was second best state with Libertarian Party spoiler vote leverage of 65, compared to 80 for New Mexico. (That leverage is the LP vote share times that State’s electoral votes.) You have to expect a violent looter kleptocracy to hang on to the initiation of deadly force as long as it can. However, unequal but apposite retaliation–especially by voters–can be counted on to overcome deadly force laws. New Mexico politicians just now legalized recreational weed, thereby eliminating Minnesota’s deadly coercion.

  22. The predicate of the argument, that “the officer had reportedly pulled him over for hanging air fresheners on his rearview mirror”, is false making the entire argument false. The stop was predicated on an expired registration and such work is normal and expected police duty. The shooting was predicated on resisting arrest and diving into the car which appeared to me to be an attempt to get a weapon. This is not an out of control police problem, it is a failure to obey the lawful commands of law enforcement. The officer’s acclaimed carreer is over because she drew the wrong weapon in defense of herself and her fellow officers. Had there been a weapon, she’s be up for a commendation. It’s a dangerous world we live in.

    1. How do you explain the officer pulled the wrong weapon?

      1. For the same reason surgeons operate on the wrong leg…for the same reason my wife tells me to turn right when she means left (this one happens a lot)…for the same reason chefs cut their fingers when chopping vegetables…for the same reason truck drivers try and make sports car maneuvers at 90 mph only to flip the semi on its side…

        Humans are prone to mistakes–some big, some small, some with massive consequences, some with none. I get that an innocent person lost his life. It’s terrible, it’s tragic, and it shouldn’t have happened. But just because someone died here doesn’t mean the explanation must be complicated or sinister.

        1. Don’t you get it, Marco? People who read Reason have never made any mistakes in their lives before. Especially not in high-stakes, high-pressure situations.

        2. Innocent persons don’t have outstanding warrants.

          1. I meant “innocent” in the sense that he didn’t deserve death, not innocent of any or all wrong doing.

            1. Then you misunderstand the word.

      2. How do you explain a man with warrants driving around with a bad tag?

    2. Just as The Kleptocracy infiltrates the Libertarian National Committee with communist anarchists, screamers and christianofascist brainwashees, so it infiltrates the Reason Commentariat.

  23. “Oh no, it wasn’t he air freshener. It was diversity-equity and inclusion that killed the beast”

  24. Isn’t it comforting to know that Reason hires rocket scientists to be deputy assistant, junior trainee, second week on the job interns to determine which law violators the police should dare to stop.

    Violating the law, with outstanding warrants doesn’t qualify for police having the nerve to interfere with the free passage of lawbreakers – at least not in Minneapolis.

    I feel so comfortable, so warm and fuzzy, as should all Minnesotans, knowing that Billy “Inspector Clouseau” Binion is on the job, even if it is while in his parent’s basement assessing the proper application of the law!

    Reading the irrational comments posted above, fully explains why Minneapolis has become the lawless HELLHOLE it now is!

  25. There are no accidental discharges. Only negligent ones.
    This was not an accident this was bad training and an officer not thinking.

    1. Negligent, huh? Like driving around with a bad tag and a warrant, then resisting arrest? Yeah, I get it now.

      1. “Negligent, huh?
        “Like driving around with a bad tag”
        Yes
        ” and a warrant,”
        Yes+
        “then resisting arrest?”
        No

        Mistakes happen, and there are consequences for making mistakes. The lady cop meant to use her tazer and used her glock instead. That’s a fuck-up she should face consequences for.

        The deceased made a lot of intentional mistakes (aka bad choices like getting a warrant, driving on an expired registration, and resisting arrest), and this time the consequences of his mistakes, combined with her mistake, were fatal.

        That’s really all there is to it, but some people need to make it fit a narrative.

    2. So superiors to blame and officer not paid to think?

  26. As someone who follows these things I agree that too damned many things are criminalized these days. But, unfortunately, the premise of your piece is incorrect.
    The Chief of Police Gannon said that Mr. Wright was pulled over by police because he had an expired registration tag. (Coincidentally, I was recently pulled over for the same reason.)
    You apparently adopted the line of Mr. Wright’s mother who said her son called her as he was being stopped and told her that police pulled him over just for having an “air freshener on the rear view mirror.” (As a parent I attest that a kid down-playing a problem is not unusual) I wonder if you also saw that his father, Aubrey, told reporters that the air freshener explanation “didn’t sound right” because his son’s car had such heavily tinted windows. (see Washington Post report)
    I like Reason and subscribe to the magazine because of the care taken with in-depth reporting. I think this article missed the mark in a most basic way.
    And a post script: Wright, Floyd, Garner, Lopez and others lost their lives not because they were driving with a dangling air freshener, passing a phony $20 bill or selling loose cigarettes. They died because they disobeyed a law enforcement officer’s order, resisted arrest and foolishly tried to flee. If we could only instill the idea that running from police is an often deadly act many lives might be saved.
    Diane Dimond

    1. If only we could get people to obey the law. And I don’t mean that in a slavishly statist way. I mean in a philosophical sense. Some laws are obviously bad laws, and should be broken.

    2. Yes, that is good advice for people. But we also need to train police to react appropriately and that their personal annoyance doesn’t ever justify an escalation of force. Police are supposed to be trained to deal with people. Regular people aren’t in general trained to deal with police.
      Seems like in this case, the guy was being an idiot. As was the cop who pulled the wrong thing from he belt.

  27. Stupid headline, stupid article. There were obviously mistakes made, not the least of which is a cop forgetting which of their two pistol-shaped weapons is an actual pistol. But the real reason this guy was killed was because he tried (again, apparently) to flee the police. Not a smart move.

    Yeah, going to court sucks, being a prisoner sucks. Maybe show up for your court date to avoid being a prisoner. I got pulled over and ticketed for speeding. I had two choices: go through the legal system to resolve my issue, or ignore the summons and wait for the police to revoke my license, issue a warrant for my arrest, or some other sanction on my freedom. I paid the fine because I like my freedom, and besides, I had broken the law. I knew I was breaking the law when I drove over the speed limit, just like the late Mr. Wright knew he was breaking the law when he fled the police.

    Either we have a society governed by the rule of law, or we don’t.

    1. Absolutely. The real reason isn’t stopping the guy for air freshener. That was just great. So is leading the entire planet in per capita incarceration, because of stalking and locking blacks up at 100 times the world per capita average imprisonment rate.

      1. Light on logic, heavy on the race hustling. Do you have an actual argument?

      2. Al Sharpton is “in da house”. “Stalking and locking blacks up”? Why don’t you take a walk through the Chicago ghetto tonight? You will then understand who stalks who.

      3. The real reason isn’t stopping the guy for air freshener. That was just great.

        That wasn’t even why he was stopped…which makes your comment even dumber than it already was.

      4. Your entire argument is fake.

    2. Thank you.

    3. National Socialist Germany was governed by Kristallnacht laws, and Positive Christianity racial laws. Every Libertarian vote is a declaration in favor of freedom, hence against the initiation of force. New Mexico had the highest Libertarian Party vote leverage in the 2016 election, and just voted to stop cops from murdering kids on the pretext that their car deodorizers might disguise “the wrong” plant leaves. Voting against the force-initiating kleptocracy increases freedom. Voting to perpetuate rule by violent looters gets more violence and looting, and gets it faster.

      1. Duante Williams once brandished a gun and demanded money from a woman who had opened her doors to him. He initiated force, and gave up his right to be free from retaliation, a long time ago.

  28. Look at these white supremacists justifying having the world’s highest per capita incarceration rate. “Libertarians” rationalizing the incredible rate at which white people stalk black people in America.

    1. As a black woman I vehemently disagree with you. I see this country as being amazing insofar as the opportunities that abound if you have the right job skills. My parents raised me to respect the police. I have never had a negative encounter with a police officer and here in Miami where I grew up there were always allegations of police “brutality.” I hope I didn’t misinterpret your comments but I am tired of hearing about “systemic” racism.

      1. My respects to you Ms Josephson.

      2. I am tired of hearing about “systemic” racism

        There’s an easy trick to overcome that just substitute bullshit for racism.

      3. Thank you, sincerely for affirming that being a black person does NOT automatically mean being tolerant of criminal behavior. I have known a number of black people, mostly ex-military, who likewise are not proponents of the progressives’ support of criminal behavior when it suits their latest whims of virtuosity.

    2. Clearly, crime statistics are above your comprehension you race baiting, ghetto buffoon.

    3. Psst…tonight’s stalking starts at 9:00 pm. Meet up at the armory.

        1. Why do the Proud Boys behave like this? https://t.co/ph6bKkBvN5

  29. I think you have to be out of your mind in the world today to go into policing or teaching. The vast majority of the public already hates you and is only to happy to see you fail, put on trial and hung out to dry.

    1. Not in my town. Only in the progressive run cities. We had a cop get killed two years ago. There was a blizzard when his funeral procession traveled through town. The streets were lined with mourners, shoulder to shoulder. The cops are still very respected where I live.
      Only criminals and the truly ignorant hate all cops. It is ridiculous. I happen to know several local cops and they are very good people.
      Only progressive city teachers are hated. Our teachers were back in the classroom last August, teaching kids. Perhaps that is why our kids don’t often break the law. They weren’t left to brain rot on Facebook then encouraged to loot and fight police over a Junkie.

  30. Really sad, ???? on so many levels. RIP ????

  31. It’s more than a bit disingenuous to say he was pulled over for “having an air freshener on his mirror.” He was pulled over because hanging things from your mirror is a safety issue, as it can obstruct the driver’s view by creating blind spots.

    Now, intelligent people of good will can disagree about whether that is a good safety rule or not, but that would require them to both not deliberately misrepresent the actual topic at hand.

    Like a hack.

    1. It’s more than a bit disingenuous to say he was pulled over for “having an air freshener on his mirror.” He was pulled over because hanging things from your mirror is a safety issue, as it can obstruct the driver’s view by creating blind spots.

      It WAY more than disingenuous. It’s blatantly false. He was pulled over for expired registration. The freshener dangling from the mirror was noted after the stop.

    2. so true

  32. I would suggest that a contributing factor to the shooting was the fact that you had a woman trying to do a man’s job. If you’re going to be going around attempting to arrest violent criminals, it helps to be an intimidating presence. This guy didn’t appear to be all that big, but once he decides he’s not going to obey the officer, what recourse does she have but to go for her weapon? You think she has secret ninja training that allows her to jackslap perps into next week if they act up? If the cop had been 6 foot tall and 200 pounds of muscle, do you think this punkindilly might have thought twice about disobeying the cop to start with?

    1. I can only speak for myself, but around cops I am always careful about my behavior. I know they’re armed and I know they sometimes have itchy trigger fingers. Why this doesn’t persuade more people to act like puppies with cops is something I can’t explain.

    2. do you think this punkindilly might have thought twice about disobeying the cop to start with?

      I do think that. Being blatantly disrespectful while disobeying orders is very popular among the denizens of the ghetto. It is almost as if a parent taught them that in the home.

      1. I honestly don’t think it’s the parents. These people tend to fetishize ghetto culture, delivered to them by rap music. “These people” being, of course, criminals, not blacks per se.

        For whatever it’s worth, I, the law abiding citizen, grew up listening to classical music and classic rock.

        1. Just talk to a few people in any urban ghetto. They never stop hating on cops. They don’t teach their children anything useful, only that cops are bad.

          1. Cops are DANGEROUS. That is an entirely separate concept from cops being bad. A shocking number of cops do seem to be “bad” in the sense they are violent thugs. But every armed cop is indisputably a dangerous person. They are less dangerous if you comply with their demands. Some are complete idiots, and they are the most dangerous ones of all.

            1. EVERYONE who wields deadly force for a looter kleptocracy is dishonest, evil or unqualified for honest work. Defunding the politicians by purging the LP of communist anarchists then voting libertarian is a non-violent solution.

    3. I would suggest that a contributing factor to the shooting was the fact that you had a woman trying to do a man’s job.

      I would suggest you bother watching the video before commenting further. She was only 1 of 3 officers present. The other two were male, and she wasn’t even the one who pulled him out and cuffed him.

    4. The cop trying to cuff him was a huge black guy. Watch the fricken video.

  33. This case SCREAMS that we must have common sense gun control!

    The only three time proven elements of common sense gun control are:

    1) Police must not routinely be allowed guns while acting in any official capacity.

    “Ironically, the only gun control in 19th century England was the policy forbidding police to have arms while on duty.”
    ~ Don B. Kates, Jr.

    Time proven, common sense gun control.

    2) Actual criminals committing crimes with guns should go to jail. Daunte should have, already, been safely jailed away for his previous crimes.

    3) Gun safety training can not be started early enough nor reinforced often enough. This was a idiotic error by an idiotic cop, trained by an idiotic system that is all about compliance and cop safety instead of public safety.

    Common sense gun control would have saved Daunte’s life!

    1. Hard to justify disarming the police with 2A.

      1. The 2A has nothing to do with police having any right to arms – it is proscription against government not a grant to government.

        Indeed, at the time; it was explicitly understood that those in government were outside of its protection because they pose(d) the risk to the right.

        “Who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country…? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”
        ~ George Mason

        1. Yes, but the argument is people are armed. Criminals especially tend to be armed because of lax enforcement of gun laws, the ease with which straw buyers (often their girlfriends, had so many of those when I sold guns at a Walmart) can acquire guns and ammo, and the fact they cannot rely on the police for dispute resolution, means criminals will almost certainly be armed. With this in mind, cops will object to being disarmed in an official capacity, and so will anyone who sympathizes with cops.

          I’m not arguing with the merits entirely. In a perfect world cops would not need to be armed to carry out their official duties. But in a perfect would, there would be no criminals, let alone armed criminals. So the idea that cops are expected to do their job when they’re the only people guaranteed not to be armed is ludicrous. It’s a problem of equivalent power.

  34. Giving somebody a traffic ticket for the hanging object is not “criminalizing” anything. On the other hand, failing to show up in court and violating gun law ARE crimes–and they should be.
    What is needed is less making excuses for illegal behavior , and better compliance with the law. The vast majority of Americans manage to get through their entire life without being charged with a crime–and they pay their traffic tickets and move on.
    Daunte Wright would be alive toady if he had shown up for his Court date and not carried a gun illegally. There was officer negligence here, to be sure, but as far as enforcing the law, the officers were doing what is necessary for our society to survive. Making excuses for illegal behavior is irresponsible and wrong.

    1. The gun law shouldn’t be a crime. There are 19 states which recognize constitutional carry and would not have criminalized him for carrying the weapon.

  35. My sister was pulled over for having a dream catcher on the mirror. guess what she didn’t get shot. Is it stupid law yes but there are ways around death by cop, most times.

  36. Wright was pulled over for expired tags, not for the air freshener. Anyone who bothers watching the video becomes quickly aware that Wright knew he was in trouble. He got out of the car and turned his back to the officer for the cuffs. No talking, no sass. Just turned around with his hands behind his back.
    Then after about ten seconds, he started resisting, got into the car, the female officer yelled “Taser Taser Taser”, the other officer cleared the door and she then shot him.
    Had the kid not resisted, he’d be alive today. The cop made a mistake and it’s going to haunt her for the rest of her life. She’s likely to lose her job, and go to trial on a charge of negligent homicide at a minimum.
    But this author has his basic facts wrong. It wasn’t a ‘fuzzy dice’ arrest.

    1. By, “author”, did you mean race-baiting scumbag that wants to be partially responsible for the next round of rioting and looting? After all, a riot is media gold whether it is caused by false premise or not.

    2. So the officer could have just written a citation for expired tags right?

      What the hell is happening in this country?

      This happens every day now.

      1. The guy had two outstanding arrest warrants, one for a weapons charge…. so no the officer couldn’t have just written a citation.

        1. He had two misdemeanor warrants. One for the crime of having a gun. Libertarians are good with a forced arrest and shooting for resistance to that.

          1. I’m good with officers taking steps to apprehend wanted criminals, yes.

            1. And does the crime ever become a problem for you? For example, does Biden’s gun licensing, registration, and taxation scheming bother you? Because this guy was basically caught up in the Michigan version of that.

              Granted, he shouldn’t have resisted. He’s and idiot, she’s an idiot, someone died.

              1. This future rocket scientists attempted to rob a woman with a gun. I am fine with police taking people who attempt armed robbery into custody. And, just for the record, I am not at all sad when police kill such people.

  37. Both the guy and the cop are idiots and this is what happens when idiots collide.

    1. Lol savage and true

  38. Is a chain from the rearview to the BFs ball-stretcher legal?

  39. “the officer had reportedly pulled him over for hanging air fresheners on his rearview mirror. ” Reported by whom? Perhaps you might have said that it was reported by a distraught relative who was not a witness to the shooting and acted as a reporter instead of simply inflaming a situation with a rumor. No, this young man was pulled over with expired tags. You might want to make the case for cops not pulling anyone over for such things but it’s a bit less outrageous in how it actually happened. Had he not had TWO warrants out for his arrest (while the ultimate reasons for the warrant may be described as “minor”, both were bench warrants and the cops were acting under orders from a judge and had zero discretion on how they proceeded) the stop would have resulted in a simple ticket. Had the young man not decided to act in about the most dangerous way one might, it would have likely been a routine arrest.
    This will happen again. And again. The only way to ensure it doesn’t is to either:
    A) Stop all traffic stops by police that do not present a certain imminent public danger.
    B) Stop all police enforcement of bench warrants over judicial contempt when the original crime is minor.
    C) Take all deadly force weapons from police while on routine patrol.
    D) Use androids with perfect AI to make arrests.
    Other than one or more of these actions being taken, the hundreds of thousands of law enforcement interactions will inevitably result in thousands of chaotic violent situations between panicked and desperate individuals on one side armed and alarmed cops on the other with a statistical likelihood that a few (or a few dozen) will “go south” due to reasons that range from depraved through incompetent to the rare and random terrible mistakes that are made by cops, surgeons and airline pilots.
    Of course, we might greatly lessen, if not eliminate, the possibility of such tragedies by avoiding encouraging panic by all sides in our society.

    1. Hell, while you are at it, why not train unicorns with friggin laser beams shooting out of their horns?

    2. Or laugh out of existence the concept of “public property”. Has no one ever noticed that’s where the police hang out and most of these unnecessary murders take place?

  40. As is all too common and all too detrimental to a critically important cause, Wright’s criminal past and present makes him a flawed poster boy for serious and needed policing reforms. Looking past his flawed example, it is easy to see that traffic stops enforce most interactions between ordinary citizens and police and that every interaction is an opportunity for disaster. Limiting total enforced police interactions and limiting those that occur to occurring with criminals is a key police reform, thus severely limiting traffic stops is key – probably to only truly dangerous offenses like reckless driving.

  41. “Laws” = politicians’ whims. Police shoot people who ignore whims.
    Police and politician’s whims don’t exist where the only penalty for a universally criminal act is ostracism.

    1. And criminals like Wright shoot people for fun.

    2. Laws prohibiting the initiatory use of force, like murder, are a whim?

      1. No, but clearly US law is no longer based on any sort of principle like property (which includes person, and thus implies murder to be a crime of the highest order). Carry permits, registration renewal, and air freshener location restrictions are all infringements of property by the state, and thus undermine property rights. Laws can be perfectly justified and good, but The Law (overall) is arbitrary.

  42. Let’s not debate the criminalization. Why are items prohibited from hanging on rear view mirrors. Because they can block vision while driving. I know elderly people who drive with the handicapped placard hanging from the mirror, and move it to get a clear view from the right. Mirrors are bulkier than they used to be, because of features like auto-dimming, lights on the underside of the mirror, direction indicator, etc. Putting a handicapped placard on my 2010 Malibu was a pain. It’s worse with my 2019 Impala.

    I live in a town with large amounts of commuter parking. The parking passes used to be a cling sticker that went in the back window. Then they switched to a small hang tag that went on the mirror. The police started to write tickets, because people were driving with them on. But, they were about 1/4 of the size of the handicapped placard. They reason for the switch was that people complained that the cling stickers were hampering the view in rear view mirrors, and back windows became more raked.

    1. Why is criminalization necessary? Can’t motorists decide for themselves? It’s not like vehicle accidents are liability free. If you can’t see around your air freshener, save yourself the $hundreds and take it down.

      Justifications can conceivably be constructed for any law. That doesn’t mean that the law is just.

  43. There is a chain of bad decisions that led to his death.

    He chose to wave a gun around and get arrested for that. He then chose not to show up in court. And then now, he chose to resist arrest.

    I don’t think he should have been pulled over, whether for expired tags or the air freshener story. But those warrants would have caught up to him eventually. Would he resist in a different situation?

    1. “I don’t think he should have been pulled over, whether for expired tags or the air freshener story.”

      I agree that the air freshener thing wouldn’t be a valid reason to pull someone over. In fact, in some jurisdictions, I believe, there are some citations that an officer can write on a motorist that they aren’t allowed to actually pull you over for doing. (Like a driver not wearing a seat belt.) But if they have pulled you over for something else, then they can write you a citation for that relatively minor thing. It is possible that this is the case in Minnesota, I don’t know. It isn’t an unreasonable regulation to say that you can’t have things in the middle of your windshield in your car that could obstruct your view of your surroundings. Something like that should not be criminal, obviously, but a civil violation that is subject to no more than a fine that couldn’t be the basis for a stop isn’t “overcriminalizing” it.

      On the other hand, an expired tag is sufficient for a stop. Vehicles are registered for a few good reasons. Registration fees are essentially taxes that help fund state and local government operations related to motor vehicle transportation. The tag is proof that you have paid this tax. Not paying taxes you owe is a crime. Secondly, most states require proof of vehicle insurance (particularly liability) to register your car, so the tag is also proof that you have insurance that would pay for at least some of the damage you could cause in an accident. It is also proof of ownership, which is significant in the sense that vehicle theft is a problem, and a vehicle that is not registered might be driven by someone not authorized to drive it, or possibly even not authorized to drive at all. After all, someone that isn’t keeping up with their vehicle registration might not have kept up a valid drivers license.

      Driving a car is a major responsibility. Tens of thousands of people die every year in accidents, so enforcing motor vehicle rules is a major responsibility of local and state police forces. I see a person getting pulled over for having an expired tag as a necessary action for an officer to take if they see a vehicle on the road with expired registration and they aren’t already on a higher priority duty.

      1. Cops should not be policing traffic. There is no structural incentive for them to do anything other than revenue generate. With regards to traffic, cops should only be involved in property crimes like road rage and vehicular assault. Insurance companies should police traffic, vehicle safety, and driver habits. They actually stand to make money from safety, and have all the necessary mechanisms to resolve disputes and claims. Accidents involving uninsured drivers can be handled by acquiring insurance which includes coverage against uninsured drivers, and through normal tort claims.

        Forced insurance and registration schemes in vehicles work pretty much the same way the Affordable Care Act does, and are just as unnecessary – people just like the peace of mind that a mandate brings, even if it actually makes outcomes worse and erodes liberty.

        1. Um, are you suggesting that insurance companies have people out patrolling and pulling people over for speeding, running red lights, having broken taillights, etc.? First, what would give them the authority to require someone to stop? What if the person violating the law isn’t one of their customers? Second, stopping someone for a traffic violation inherently involves the use of force. The violator is being required to stop and receive the ticket. If the stop is done by someone not carrying any weapons and with no authority to make arrests, all that really does is leave that person unable to defend themselves if the person stopped violently reacts to someone trying to give them a ticket. Or what if the person violating traffic laws simply won’t stop? Now, the insurance enforcer with no weapons or authority to use force has to report that to law enforcement officers that do carry guns and they will then have to find that person and enforce the law with force.

          What you wrote just seems like something you didn’t think through at all.

          1. Yes, partly. The only thing that would give them authority to make a stop is the contract that exists between the insurance company and the driver. Contractors who are making the stops would probably work for multiple companies and process stops accordingly. Companies would quickly settle on some common set of basic rules, which seem likely include rules that already exist now, like speeding and honoring road markings, if we assume that there was some miraculous decentralization from what we have now. If you do not pull over you are penalized or lose coverage. Breach of contract could be grounds for a claim, so a violator may find themselves without coverage and legally obligated to finish paying out their premium and penalties. If a driver is insured and falsely fined (or mistakenly fined under the rules of another company), I could see this being settled between insurance companies and the driver would be compensated. There are mechanisms in existence for this – a simple one that comes to mind is USAA reimbursing ATM fees.

            This is only one part of a potential solution. We have driver habit monitoring devices in vehicles already. People consent to those because they result in better risk knowledge and safer driver habits, which drives down premiums. In a free market this would probably be the go to solution. Drivers of lesser known risk would probably face premiums that are not negligibly higher. This also further enforces the case for private enforcement being functional and practical – what happens if a driver speeds and violates the law while being monitored? What happens if they refuse to pay? There are mechanisms in place for these events right now.

            With regards to the ‘stoppers’ being unarmed, maybe they would be (like security guards are). Maybe they wouldn’t be, like mall cops. The primary mechanism is the contract. If a person chooses to get violent over such an encounter then that is obviously grounds for more traditional policing, because a property crime has occurred. This is a detail that would be resolved in the course of producing the service. Does arming ‘stoppers’ reduce more risk than it produces? Will clients tolerate it? Firms would do a risk analysis based on incidence X impact, calculate an annualized loss expectancy, add the cost of weapons systems and training, calculate impact on consumer demand, and make a decision from there.

            For uninsured drivers there are many many solutions. One that seems immediately feasible is that the owner of any given road might set basic rules and expect that they be enforced. That is, failure to follow road markings could result in penalties owed to the road owner (state or private). This might entail a stop by a private contractor who works for both the insurance companies and the state, or simply capturing vehicle markings and fining the driver later. For infractions owed to the state, they might be directed to court in order to settle. In this way we have a kind of hybrid system, not fully privatized/anarchic but the police are not responsible for traffic enforcement. In this system we have contractors who service safety from the side of driving habits, and enforce road rules according to the service contracts of the road owner. Even if roads were fully privatized with many owners this system could still function just fine. Society might need a law regarding clear signs and contracts in order to prevent people getting unwittingly hosed, but the mechanisms themselves would still work fine.

            I’ll cap off with a couple points:
            -Road activity that involves serious endangerment or theft constitutes property crime, and maybe this is an appropriate time to call the police. Things like stolen vehicles, serious road rage incidents, destruction of roads and property, etc.
            -Having police handle traffic enforcement is a mixed bag, and overall does not seem to improve traffic safety. Off the top of my head, the Albuquerque Police Department (APD) has undergone several studies and the number of APD stops did not appear to correlate with any reduction in vehicle related damages.
            -Policing as we do it now is incredibly, insanely expensive. Traffic policing constitutes the majority of police work. It is estimated that United States citizens spend roughly $6.1 Billion per year on just traffic tickets (annual average of 41 million * average ticket cost of $150). This is on top of the salaries, pensions, equipment, etc that are paid to police. Cops are expensive. Plus, we all still pay for insurance anyways.
            -Traffic stops are a major cause of death for police. Vehicle related accidents overall are the leading cause of death for police. A company which engages in risk responsive business would probably prioritize other enforcement methods rather than stops, because stops are dangerous for everyone.

          2. I wish these things had an edit button lol. To clear up a few points:
            -Stops would probably not be the primary enforcement mechanism. Monitoring probably would be. Stops are dangerous and probably usually present more risk than benefit.
            -‘Stoppers’ could contract for insurance companies, road owners, and/or the state.
            -Stoppers may or may not be armed. That is a business decision point.
            -Uninsured drivers would probably still be liable for the rules of the road, and would settle claims in court. Insurance is pretty heavily incentivized when it becomes the primary safety mechanism.

          3. I don’t have all the answers about how an entire market would provide a service. That takes millions of decision points by producers and consumers, businesses and clients. I also am not claiming to have utopia – we are talking about road safety and property crime. Shit still happens. I do think that what I have presented is a less compulsory, more property rights friendly, cheaper, and more functional way of enforcing road rules and safety.

  44. Maybe it was mentioned, but did the author call Daunte “her” at one point?

  45. I had absolutely no idea that it’s illegal to hang an air freshener or fuzzy dice on your rear view mirror in far right wing fascist Minnesota.

    No doubt it was one of their many republican governors and state legislatures they’ve had over the years that passed this most idiotic law.

  46. warrants matter.

  47. Way to miss the point, Reason……

    He wasn’t being detained for an air freshener. If that’s all you do, at worst you get a ticket… that will most likely get thrown out in Court.

    He was being detained for outstanding warrants, including for illegal possession of a handgun…

    ….. and the officer would have never even reached for a taser had he not been violently resisting arrest and then attempting to flee the scene.

    No doubt the officer royally screwed up and is going to be accountable for it….. but the air freshener is a complete non-factor in this situation….

    Yes such laws are stupid nanny state stuff and everyone sane should oppose them….. but it actually has nothing to do with why this kid got killed…..

    1. Carry permits are stupid nanny state stuff too. So are vehicle registration renewals. Rights restricting, revenue generating statutes regarding victimless personal property ‘crimes.’

      Resisting is almost never a good idea (almost meaning stuff like one of those psycho cop cases you hear about from time to time, like the one that arrested his wife’s lover and tried to kill him). The combination of resisting and severe officer negligence created an unfortunate dynamic. But the warrants and stop were all over stuff that should make libertarians fume.

  48. This article reminds me of those articles that claimed Saint Michael Brown got killed just for “going to the store”.

    1. Wasn’t that Trayvon Martin? I thought Brown was killed because he put his hands up and told the cop he was thinking about turning his life around by applying to college?

  49. You’ve already had to make one correction to your story. How about having a little patience to wait until the facts are known. These early narratives solidify into “fact” and often they are wrong (“Hands up. Don’t shoot”). Who knows, maybe waiting will enable you to make an even more convincing point, and one more supportable. Then again, in journalism it’s better to be first than to be right, isn’t it?

    1. They didn’t make a correction. It’s an “update”. Bunion declined to actually correct his article. Almost like the narrative is more important than the facts in this case.

  50. Oh the irony that one of the reasons he was resisting arrest was he had a pistol w/o a permit…why did he need a permit to have a pistol in the first place. If MN had not taken away his natural right for self defense….just saying..

    As for the cops..if MN voters desire they can disarm the police..again that would solve accidental shootings by cops and the BLM leader in her million dollar LA home would have less to grift on..

  51. Let’s be REALLY clear about this. This man was NOT shot for merely hanging an air freshener in his car. Most likely, had he not already HAD SEVERAL WARRANTS OUT FOR HIS ARREST for already flaunting the law as if he somehow were above it, he would most likely have been issued a warning about the rear view mirror law, and sent along his way. HE, and ONLY HE, is responsible for the actions that followed. Where the living hell has personal responsibility for one’s own actions and poor decisions gone???!!! He KNEW he had outstanding warrants, and he CHOSE to run, and by doing so he also CHOSE the consequences of HIS OWN ACTIONS. Personal responsibility for one’s own actions and the consequences of their poor choices and decisions has devolved into victimhood mentality and entitlement.
    Yes, it is a tragic situation all the way around, because his mother is right – he did not have to die, but when when he chose to flaunt the law and run, that was a chance HE CHOSE to take. He gambled not only his own life by his actions of attempting to flea, but that of his passenger’s, as well. Perhaps, had he shown up for court and taken responsibility for his prior charges, no warrants would have been issued in the first place, and we would not be having this discussion now, his mother would not be grieving, and cities would not be burned down yet again. But he CHOSE to see himself as above the law, he CHOSE to risk the consequences of running from armed officers after they request he stop, and therefore the responsibility for any riots, chaos, and death that follow in the wake of this – as I’m sure they will – lies SOLEY at HIS feet.

    1. And , had he been Hunter Biden, he would have been invited on national tv to explain how Rudy Guliani planted the air freshener in his car.

    2. You sound like a libertarian. You are no longer welcome here.

    3. “HE, and ONLY HE, is responsible for the actions that followed.”

      He was responsible for the expired tag that got him pulled over. He was responsible for not following officers reasonable directions. He was not responsible for an officer mistaking her handgun for a taser and fatally shooting him. Nothing that he is reported to have done warranted deadly force.

      1. Nothing he did should have warranted a stop or arrest either. Carrying a gun without a permit, expired vehicle registration, and hanging an air freshener from the window. By the time we got to resisting we had ‘non’ crimes.

        But also yes, resisting is not a good idea and OH MY GOD that woman should not be a cop any more. Really unfortunate dynamic unfolded during this stop.

  52. Call me crazy but I’m pretty sure, after one day of wildly speculative and breathtaking coverage, that anybody knows why this guy died. Amazing how crack REASON, CNN ETC reporters have insights delivered to them from on high that makes it possible to write entire pieces about something they know next to nothing about. Way to get that clickbait though.

  53. All this time and neither the author nor the editors at Reason have had the integrity to acknowledge their error and correct this bullshit excuse for a story.

    1. Reason is unabashedly unobjective at this point.

    2. They did update it with the statement about the tags, but I had known before this story was posted that the whole thing about the air fresheners was coming from what members of his family were reporting based on what he said to them over the phone. And I knew that police had said that it was expired tags. This was just sloppy reporting, plain and simple, from someone looking to fulfill an ideological narrative rather than be skeptical and check facts.

  54. One must keep in mind that the Federal Gov., State and City create the laws. It is they that have the ability to change them…OR…increase how aggressively they are enforced. Far too many Cities actually include the revenue from fines in their operating budgets. They rely on the enforcement of minor encounters with the public to fund their government activities, salaries, and to obtain resources.

    Be it known that THIS ADMINISTRATION is actively and vigorously pursuing GUN CONTROL calling it a threat to public health and safety. Having a warrant for the illegal possession of a handgun and then fleeing from an officer are NOT minor offenses in any way.

    When the license plate is expired (State Offense) and he is pulled over the officers already know that they are dealing with someone who had recently been in possession of a handgun and has shown past behavior of fleeing. How were the officers to know that he did not have another handgun in the car? Of course the hanging of items from the rearview mirror is a local ordinance offense. Perhaps one to increase City revenue from traffic fines.

    The tragedy of course was the errant use of the officers firearm when she intended to have grabbed the taser. For that the officer should be personally accountable for the civil suit of wrongful death. The City is accountable for her actions as her employer.

    Aside from this wrongful action it begs the question, “Does this justify the vandalism and theft of private property?” “Would someone be justified to break into a home and steal their belongings just because something totally unrelated to them has occurred?” Frankly, I believe that shooting an arsonist/looter would be justified where the shooting of the traffic stop with warrants was not.

  55. Eh. I’m super skeptical of police use of force and certainly look forward to the officer catching a nice negligent manslaughter charge (as she deserves… this isn’t the kind of mistake you can make), but even so I’m skeptical of this premise. Would the outcome really have been different if he had been pulled over for anything else, including his warrants directly? This doesn’t even seem like the best example of police use of force this week, much less worth this article.

    I mean, I don’t know the context of his warrants either, so if you want to poke holes in them, go ahead. Illegal gun possession is certainly sometimes the result of unconstitutional statutes, though I see no evidence so far of that being the case here.

    1. Carry permits arguably go against the letter and spirit of the second amendment. Now if we’re talking the whole constitution? Doesn’t matter. That document either permits every abuse we see or is powerless to stop it.

      Resisting is an unfortunate thing here. He was getting hit with carrying a gun without a permit, expired vehicle registration, and hanging an air freshener from the window. Those are all bullshit victimless crimes. But practically speaking, resisting that bullshit will get you slotted. Particularly if you toss in some officer negligence.

      1. I want to clarify that I don’t necessarily think any person should resist a normal individual arrest. Practically speaking it never goes well, and legally speaking the arrests are usually warranted and I’m not sure how you would categorize lawful resisting vs unlawful (other than it being lawful to resist unlawful arrests that carry no crime, drummed up charges, etc. Courts have upheld that many times)

  56. During the call, she said she heard scuffling and then someone saying “Daunte, don’t run” before the call ended. When she called back, her son’s girlfriend answered and said he had been shot.

    HANDS UP
    DON’T RUN

    Will they ever learn? Ever?

  57. Where did all these commenters come from?

  58. Is Reason going to comment on the following cases:

    * Amanda Blackburn, a pregnant woman raped and murdered in her own home by “youths”?
    * Zemir Begic beaten to death with hammers in St Louis by “teens”?
    * Mohammad Anwar, killed for his microaggression of resisting a carjacking by DC “victims of 400 years of redlining”?
    * The son of Melissa Coon in Kansas City, who was doused in gasoline and set afire in an act of “racial justice”?
    * John Marvin Weed, victim of a fatal suckerpunch at the Great Frederick Fair by “marginalized persons”?
    * The massacre of the Carl Parker family in Mississippi’s Quitman County by “oppressed peoples”?

    Has Reason even heard of these cases?

    1. Those are all horrible crimes, but this is a complete non sequitur and these aren’t the types of stories reason covers. Racial dynamics aside, reason focuses on governmental and socioeconomic news. A bad police encounter that sparks riots is in line with that. Individual crimes committed by private persons generally are not.

      1. But it’s all bullshit. The problem isn’t racist cops. It’s stupid criminals. As some one above said, Hands Up Don’t Run. All these idiots have that in common. Floyd resisted. Wright ran. And don’t tell me they ran because they were afraid the cops were going to kill them, the were killed because they ran. And that military officer story doesn’t add up. His whole “I drove a mile to a gas station with better light” is total bullshit. What kind of an idiot does that? I’ll tell you what kind, the kind who thinks its a good idea to get rid of something in the car before interacting with police. What all these shot criminals have in common is not the color of their skin, but the stupid brains in their dumbass heads.

        1. I have done that. A mile is 60 seconds on the highway. I drove for about 90 seconds with hazards on to a gas station with lights and cameras. Not only is that safer for you, it is safer for the police. 1/3rd of officers killed is from car accidents and being struck by cars, and in most years it is the leading cause of officer death.

          For the record, I was basically pulled over for having a shitty car. The officer was enraged that I dare tow him along for a minute, but when I told him it was for both our safety he calmed down (thankfully). I asked him why I was pulled over and he said ‘I wanted to make sure your vehicle was up to code.’ Car was a POS but there was obviously nothing unsafe or out of code. It had just passed emissions and inspection that year (as he could see on his laptop when he pulled me over).

        2. To the other point, yes absolutely it is often stupid criminals and yes absolutely these things are being drummed up by race hustlers. That said, there are obviously tremendous problems with policing in the United States. Union contracts and qualified immunity make it pretty much impossible to fire a bad cop, much less convict them of crimes. Worse still is the absolute devolution of US law into arbitrary edicts. We do not have law based on property rights anymore, we have a compliance regime packed full of edicts. Your average citizen breaks federal law every day (not to mention state law). We are all criminals.

          That said, no you should probably not resist a lawful arrest. It never seems to work out, and I don’t see how it ever could unless you’re planning on disappearing to a beach somewhere (which also is probably a bad idea).

  59. Also, the people who are rioting, looting, vandalizing, and committing arson are excused because of overcriminalization. I’m sure that the people who lose their businesses are consoled by this.

  60. This website is called “Reason,” and the individual that wrote this article didn’t even have the correct “reason” why this entire situation occurred in the first place. SMDH!

  61. Wow these articles really bring out the butthurt trolls these days. I remember not too long ago that an article like this was routine and completely uncontroversial around here.

    1. Lot of folks here seem to enjoy carry permits and vehicle registration renewal schemes lol

    2. I remember not too long ago that an article like this was routine and completely uncontroversial around here.

      That’s the problem. Stories based on nothing but blindly accepted and regurgitated bullshit (like this one was) have become far too routine here.

      1. Like Enough About Palinn said, that’s why https://glibertarians.com was created.

  62. …”New York City police officer Daniel Pantaleo choked him for the crime of selling loose cigarettes.”
    That’s a twisted way of describing what happened. You missed a couple steps.

  63. https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1381841382734589952?s=19

    Hey there’s a real riot going on right now. Just thought you ought to know because evidently you don’t.

    “@FBI
    Help the #FBI find individuals who assaulted federal law enforcement officers at the U.S. Capitol on January 6. If you know this person, submit a tip at “

  64. I’ll hit this thing from 3 ends:
    1) Obviously the air freshener was what led to the stop, but not the attempted arrest and not the shooting. IT DOESN’T HELP THE CAUSE WHEN YOU USE SHITTY JOURNALISM.
    2) This guy seems to have lived pretty unlawfully…which probably leans towards him not being a very good guy. That said, prior to resisting the broken laws appear to have been carrying a gun without a permit, expired vehicle registration, and hanging an air freshener from the window. If you support any of these laws what the fuck kind of libertarian are you?
    3) That chick should not be a cop.

    1. Obviously the air freshener was what led to the stop

      This is why you should read the thread before commenting. No, the air freshener was NOT what led to the stop.

      That said, prior to resisting the broken laws appear to have been carrying a gun without a permit, expired vehicle registration, and hanging an air freshener from the window.

      You left out “fleeing police” (one of the two offenses on his active arrest warrant).

      If you support any of these laws what the fuck kind of libertarian are you?

      It isn’t an issue of what laws anyone here supports. It’s an issue of there being an active warrant that the cops in question were bound to enforce.

      1. 1) Fair, I had read a few articles but only discovered that the claim came from the mother shortly after I posted this comment. The stop was probably due to registration. I don’t think that invalidates my point – the point being that the journalism here is pretty horrid. The guy resisted and the cop was negligent. Stupid + stupid = someone dead. Thank you for the correction.
        2) *”prior to resisting”* I think it is interesting that the crimes he is accused of resisting arrest for are all nonviolent and generally not libertarian. Too bad he didn’t live somewhere like Tennessee. Even registration is more lax there. He wouldn’t have been charged with any of this.
        3) I commented on this above, but I think this is an interesting aspect of the dynamic. Individually we are responsible for our actions. “Doing my job” (Nuremberg defense) is not an ethical defense. Societally we expect police to uphold the edicts that are passed down. When bad laws are passed a conflict arises between an officer’s duty and discretion. In part we should be looking at how an officer in question navigates that conflict (the negligence stands out here, but I think they were justifiably in ‘use of force’ territory. If she would have grabbed the taser we wouldn’t be talking about this…that’s why you keep your taser somewhere far from your gun, like the opposite side). We should also be looking at the entire chain of governance up to and including the legislation and legislators. The chain of governance is probably more important, because without resolution there we will see the same conflicts over and over. I don’t think the laws are out of scope. I think it is worth noting here that constitutional carry might have prevented this whole conflict. I doubt very much that Michigan is thinking about that though…

        1. I think it is interesting that the crimes he is accused of resisting arrest for are all nonviolent and generally not libertarian.

          That might be interesting, but it’s not relevant to the issue of whether or not he should have been pulled over or arrested. What it is relevant to is how the arresting officers would be expected to deal with him, knowing that he had already demonstrated a willingness to resist/flee arrest.

          “Doing my job” (Nuremberg defense) is not an ethical defense.

          Using that as an excuse to cover immoral actions is when the “Nuremberg defense” comes into play. But doing your job because that’s what you’re paid to do is what any employer (including we the taxpayers) expects. These cops weren’t rounding up undesirables or breaking into people’s homes to stifle political dissent. Your invocation of the ND here is a ridiculous stretch.

  65. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/03/us/us-crime-rate-rise-2020/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

    (CNN)Major American cities saw a 33% increase in homicides last year as a pandemic swept across the country, millions of people joined protests against racial injustice and police brutality, and the economy collapsed under the weight of the pandemic — a crime surge that has continued into the first quarter of this year.

    Sixty-three of the 66 largest police jurisdictions saw increases in at least one category of violent crimes in 2020, which include homicide, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault, according to a report produced by the Major Cities Chiefs Association.

  66. https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1381745303997534216?s=19

    It wasn’t an accident. Policing in our country is inherently & intentionally racist.

    Daunte Wright was met with aggression & violence. I am done with those who condone government funded murder.

    No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can’t be reformed.

    1. Daunte Wright was met with aggression & violence.

      No, he wasn’t…you lying sack of shit.

      1. He’s quoting Tlaib so you don’t have to follow the link.

        1. If only there were some sort of punctuation he could have used to indicate that the text was a quotation of someone else rather than his own words. Marks of some sort, if you will.

  67. Can we just change the way they pull you over? Everyone stays in their cars and the driver calls a number and they have a conversation. If it can be settled that way all is well. You get your fine and move on. Things can stay de-escalated.

    1. How do you go about enforcing an arrest warrant that way?

    2. But then the cops don’t get to claim they smelled marijuana, so they can go fishing for more revenue enhancing “crimes”.

  68. “…reportedly pulled over for placing an air freshener on his mirror.” What in the hell does the term “reportedly” cover, and not cover? Reportedly, Reason writers are all pedophiles. But, maybe not. When I see “reportedly” in a story, I equate it with “we’re just making stuff up”.

    The actual report says he was pulled over for expired tags. The word “reportedly” is not needed here.
    Think of all the ways this death could have not happened. Yes, the cops could have not pulled him over, but why wouldn’t they. Cops could just never confront anybody about anything. Think of all the lives THAT would save!

    If Daunte had just complied, he would be alive right now. If Daunte had happened to be someplace different than where the cops were, this would never have happened. There’s all kinds of ways this might never have happened. But it did happen, because Daunte refused to comply. And the cop, in an urgent situation, switched to fight or flight instincts instead of staying rationally focused. It happens.

    Now, let’s ask ourselves by what “logic” people incensed at police brutality then go on a rampage and destroy people’s businesses. Reason, feel free to justify THAT one.

    1. Blacks name their kids Dante or Trayvon and then wonder why this shit happens.

  69. I am interested to know why so many attempt to flee.
    Does fleeing work?
    They have his car. They will be able to find out who is the owner.
    My father taught me that a person can never win an argument/fight with a cop.
    They have guns and radios and can call for reinforcements and even helicopters!
    Your only choice is to submit at the roadside and argue it in court.
    The other reason is that fighting and/or fleeing often results in the cops killing you.
    When complying would result in a trip to jail, and likely rapid release
    Can anyone explain why these people all seem to flee?

    1. People just do crazy things under stress. He knew he had warrants out and didn’t want to go to jail.

    2. Blacks have lower IQs, so there’s that.

  70. While I can agree that pulling a guy over for an air freshener is bonkers, once the cop runs the tags and pulls up a warrant on the guy, is the cop supposed to let it pass?

    1. While I can agree that pulling a guy over for an air freshener is bonkers

      Except that’s not what happened.

    2. He was pulled over so that they could try and find something on him. Young dude diving that car. Could be up to something.

      1. And they were right!

      2. And they were 100% correct!

      3. He was pulled over because of an obvious traffic code violation (expired registration). It’s an incredibly common sort of traffic stop that occurs thousands of times every day, to people of all ethnicities and walks of life without incident (save for a citation or perhaps even just a warning). The difference is that most of them don’t have active warrants for their arrest and then resist arrest and try to flee.

  71. Just imagine if you were an actual journalist. If you took the same amount of time to research this event as you did to reference other events. Not only would you have avoided an incorrect basis for your article, but you could have produced something that focused on issues that need more attention. Including the problem of chronic criminals amongst us.

    But, if you were an actual journalist (along with your peers at Reason), the last four years would have been written about differently. And you wouldn’t be regretting the result of so many fools (such as yourselves) thinking Biden/Harris was a beneficial upgrade.

  72. Ummm. Are we just going to ignore the past few days of riots? Just because it wasn’t your Dollar Store or Gamestop that was burnt to the ground doesn’t mean that we should ignore it. It’s like there are two entirely separate realities. After weeks of continuous coverage of the Capitol riot, now we have nothing?

    1. Peaceful protest. Where have you been.

      If we all act like spoiled, selfish, entitled children the whole country turns into Lord of the Flies.

      Or Somalia.

      Take your pick!

    2. Yes, let’s focus on the violent overreaction of people that otherwise have legitimate complaints. Then we don’t have to listen to their complaints or do anything about any problems that they might correctly be complaining about.

      Or, we can try and deal with two issues at the same time. Implore people to use their constitutionally guaranteed rights to Free Speech, Assembly, and protest peacefully, while also working to investigate the issues that they are protesting about and act on the facts uncovered in a transparent and fair way that will give all sides more confidence that justice will be served.

      We can’t guarantee that we can make all sides happy. In fact, given the tragic outcome here, that is likely impossible. But if things are handled as best as can be hoped for, a positive result for society can still be more likely than further division and destruction.

  73. When I heard the cause of the ‘mix up’ I thought of my old army training:

    “This is your taser and this is your gun. One is for stunning people; one is for fun.”

    1. Having a taser and firearm holstered side by side is evidence of gross negligence.

      1. Opposite sides.

    2. She doesn’t have a “gun”. Nor a rifle for that matter.

  74. I do think there are two issues that degrade the value of policing: 1) over-criminalization is indeed one – why not enforce or limited police resources on significant issues – hanging a air freshener surely isn’t one; and 2) the apparent lack of non-lethal tools to deal with dangerous situations. As a long time albeit now retired avid hunter I found it relatively easy to shoot to scare or wound rather than to kill. I have no issue with the position that police have every right to protect themselves, but….

    1. That was a lot of clueless bullshit to pack into a relatively short post.

    2. You were shooting to wound and you call yourself a hunter?

      Wow! Just wow.

  75. For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
    For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
    For want of a horse the rider was lost.
    For want of a rider the battle was lost.
    For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
    And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

    Sure it was.
    Call it the Butterfly Effect.
    Call it Life.
    Call it the Law of Unintended Consequence.
    Call it whatever.

    We could debate angel-pinhead dancing all day. We could argue fuzzy dice, and old warrants, and expired tags, and illegal carry, and his prior success at “fleeing from police”. We could argue why he wanted $50 to get the car washed. We could ask why he waited until just that instant to leave the house. We could look at every decision he made over the last 17 years and speculate that if he had made a different decision back in 2016, at 2:27 PM he might not have been driving with outstanding warrants and expired tags on THIS particular day.

    But none of that matters in the least.

    Heck, we could also argue the OTHER side and talk about a deliberately underfunded police force which is not staffed to track down individuals with outstanding warrants. We could talk about the out-of-whack Black/White crime rates and the resulting caution exercised by police during traffic-stops. We could kick around why the uniform belts are situated such that tasers and lethal weapons are holstered side-by-side. Speculate about how easy it is to make a mistake when under potentially life-threatening pressure. We could even debate the relative frequency with which female officers resort to weaponry vs. male officers when under threat.

    But again, none of that matters.

    At the moment of ‘collision’ ALL these factors came together in a classic, perfect storm.

    Daunte DID have outstanding warrants…he had a history of fleeing the police….the taser was holstered next to the revolver. And EVEN THEN, if he had simply done as he was told. If he had not resisted arrest…if he had not lunged back into the car (to get a gun?)….if he had not made of himself a potentially lethal threat to the arresting officers….then no one would have drawn a weapon or pulled a trigger, and Daunte would still be alive.

    We’ve heard an awful lot about The Talk.
    Evidently Daunte never had it; didn’t remember it; or chose to deliberately ignore it. Fighting, lunging, and actively resisting the police is NEVER a good thing to do because that’s when Bad Things happen.

    And, tragically, they did.

    1. Fleeing arrest does not warrant a death sentence.

      Neither does skydiving or mountaineering.

      Yet they all court a fatal outcome. Anyone who does not acknowledge this going in dies, at least partially, from ignorance.

      1. Not to be a shill for law enforcement, I knowledge that there are tons of ways law enforcers can and do go wrong…But as a taxi driver told me once about the right-of-way and defensive driving: “There’s right, and there’s dead-right.”

        If there is police injustice and brutality, I’d rather live to fight it and get a settlement. There is nothing cowardly or unmanly or dishonorable about avoiding a fight where other means of recourse are possible.

      2. Exactly right.
        It’s a probability game…as indeed all of life is a probability game.

        As you say, mountaineering does not warrant a death sentence…but yes, the risk of death is higher if one mountaineers, than if one doesn’t. And higher still if one mountaineers without proper equipment. And higher if done without proper training. And higher if done when weather conditions increase risk. And higher if mountaineering while drunk or stoned or walking a narrow ledge while talking on a cell phone.

        So absolutely, in all these cases, IGNORANCE and ATTITUDE contribute to the unwanted outcome….just as they did in Daunte’s case.

  76. Throwdown guns are now replaced by throwdown medical mendacities and imaginary guns “supposed” to have been wherever the citizen’s hands seemet to be headed. When was the last time the cops shot some disarmed person and then FOUND the guns they allege, presume and imagine he surely MUST have been lunging for?

    1. What the hell does any of that have to do with this story?

  77. Since my parking pass hangs from my rear-view mirror, probably not.

  78. Against the law to have an air freshener on the rear view mirror?
    Bizzare but what else would you expect from a Lefty State like Minnesota ? They can’t resist controlling the minute details of peoples’ lives and every once in while it blows up in their faces.

    However there is good news from Brooklyn, Mn.
    Foot Locker donated $200 million to BLM. Their Minneapolis store was just looted and destroyed. To this proves the existence of God.

  79. It was not “two misdemeanor charges”

    file:///C:/Users/DWWHP~1/AppData/Local/Temp/502729366-12-4-Arrest.pdf

    First degree felony aggravated robbery. He was out on 100K bail, but had the bail revoked for not meeting with his parole officer, as well as being a felon on possession of a gun. Not only did he threaten to shoot the victim (in her home) if she refused to give him her money, he tried to choke her as well.

    Yes, the rookie police officer panicked. But the kid could have complied, and would be smoking and watching TV in jail right now. When you fight the cops, or try to flee from lawful arrest, the risk of someone making a mistake goes way up.

    One thing I have noticed is that the family in these incidents is always represented by Ben Crump. The family always misrepresents the circumstances of the event, and most of the reporting media repeat Crump’s PR releases without any vetting or critical analysis. Then there is a riot, after which the truth starts to slowly leak out.

    1. And, he tries it in the press well before the lawsuit is filed. Just like Burris here in the SF Bay Area.

      Good thing I’m not a judge because I’d be justifiably issuing a gag order when he pulls that BS all in an effort to keep his own name in the news and taint any possible jury.

      Isn’t it bad lawyering when the attorney puts his own fame seeking in front if his client’s interests?

    2. file:///C:/Users/DWWHP~1/AppData/Local/Temp/502729366-12-4-Arrest.pdf

      You… you know we can’t access a directory on your computer right?

        1. I would think even extreme libertsrians would agree that violent theft should be a crime.

  80. It is irrelevant what the warrant was for.

    Looks like they are going to charge her with second degree manslaughter.

    People are demanding justice when police go too far and cause death or injury. This is something libertarians have been complaining about all along. Qualified immunity, no knock warrants, asset forfeiture, the wall of blue that protects them, all that needs to stop.

    It is time to demand accountability for police action.

  81. This article turned into complete BS when a the end they tell the truth that he was pulled over for an expired tag. The state has laws that Police Officers are sworn to uphold and if they don’t want the hanging something on your mirror to be illegal it is up to the state to repeal the law not the officer to pick and chose what he enforces.

  82. Overcriminalization is a problem. It makes life more complicated, more expensive, more dangerous than it has to be; but that was NOT what caused Daunte Wright’s demise. He died because he was driving a vehicle with expired tags. After he was stopped, and it was noted that he had hung air-fresheners from his mirror, (OK, that’s penny-ante crap. ) then it was determined that he had two outstanding warrants, one for waving around a handgun for which he had no permit, being cited and released, then failing to show up for court. The other for a prior armed robbery. It also popped up that he had a second armed robbery involving choking a woman and pointing a gun at her to force her to give him the money she had saved up to pay her rent. Sale of controlled substance charge rounded out the history. He was a kid who had no respect for the law, no consideration for his fellow humans and who had a life-long pattern of really bad decisions that negatively affected the people around him. When he was told he was to be arrested, he fought the police, ran to his car and tried to drive off with his girlfriend and his child in the vehicle. The police were legitimately concerned that he would endanger the other occupants of the car in trying to elude pursuit, so an officer attempted to Taser him, but in the heat of the moment grabbed the wrong tool off her belt and accidentally shot him. The cause of his death was his extensive pattern of criminal behavior. It would have made zero sense to give him a citation for the expired plates and ignore the two outstanding warrants. He had already proven he was not going to comply with a court order. Arresting him was the action that made the most sense. His choice to resist and try to flee was the proximate cause of his demise. Obviously Minneapolis PD has some very serious training issues to address, but their basic reaction was correct and the only one to blame for Daunte’s death was Daunte.

    1. I wish people would stop making martyrs and heroes out of human trash like Duante Wright.

  83. Break the law (expired tags, warrant for arrest), fight with the cops, get shot and die. Just another day in gangsters paradise. And I’m supposed to feel sad for him?

    Black culture killed him.

  84. I want to post this as a main comment and not a reply.
    Even as a white Republican I am totally sympathetic to the idea of serious police reform. And there are many of us I am sure, so it could be bipartisan.
    I have noticed that all the unnecessary deaths, such as Freddie Grey, George Floyd and now Daunte Wright occurred due to police attempting arrest to forcibly transport the person to the police precinct. What purpose does that serve in the case of minor malfeasances? I propose that the right of police to arrest a person should be eliminated except to stop an ongoing criminal act that threatens to harm a person or damage property. At the same time the crime of resisting arrest should be eliminated. It’s up to the police officer(s) choosing to use force to prevail if they start it.
    At the same time if the only way to stop avperp harming someone or damaging or stealing property ( such as looters) is to shoot them, I would give police that discretion. After all, the store owner might have the right to shoot looters in some if not all states.

    1. The cop was grossly negligent and deserves to burn for it. No excuses for what she did. She cant be a cop anymore, and needs to be in jail, period.

      Wright was also, it sounds like, a POS, and he created this situation. He apparently assaulted and robbed a woman at gunpoint, and then did not comply with police when they were arresting him for breaking parole. Im getting a little tired of hearing people say “But you dont UNDERSTAND, what its like to be black with the cops. We have to teach out kids that if you are pulled over, its hands on the wheel, yes-sir/no-sir, no sudden movements or you are dead”. But its funny because that is how I ACTUALLY act with cops when I get pulled over as a white man, even when I get pulled over for what I think is bullshit, and it seems like no one has actually told alot of these black men this, despite them beating us over the head with it.

      I think its a travesty that he is dead, as he should have just been arrested and gotten due process. He did bring this upon himself though. If I get absolutely hammered and go sky diving, and I dont check my equipment, it would still be a travesty if the parachute didnt open and I die. It wouldn’t be right that the parachute malfunctioned and I ended up dead. But putting myself in that situation, I wouldn’t get a lot of sympathy.

  85. You could make the argument that once the suspect runs to their vehicle successfully and starts fleeing to the point that your only option is to shoot them, just retreat and call for backup. Follow them.

    Then once apprehended, automatically add a 10 year sentence. Let it be known that if you do this shit we arent going to resort to shooting you, we are actually going to do the opposite, let you run, and we will get to safety ourselves. But we are going to then track you down and you go to jail, guaranteed.

    Cops clearly are not trained well, and we have seen numerous times where in similar situations they resort to unloading their magazine when there is any hint of danger. Maybe it would be better if at the first sign of potential danger when a suspect is out of reach to just let them go, retreat safely to your squad car, and call for backup. Then pursue with multiple vehicles, send a vehicle to his home etc. And he gets an automatic 10 year sentence added to his other charges. Price you pay to ensure everyones safety when you act out and resist arrest.

    The current situation unfortunately produces a win-win for the perp. It is asking for them to resist. If you know you have done criminal things in the past, know the cops are going to arrest you almost certainly resulting in jail-time, and know that the media will guaranteed take your side (making you a holy martyr if you get killed), and if you do get away successfully you bought yourself some more time on the street, why in the hell wouldn’t you opt for resisting arrest? It honestly is the most logical option in terms of risk/reward. The climate we have created is begging them to resist.

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  87. These encounters with police that go bad seem to happen mostly in the 10% of counties in the US that are responsible for 90% of the murders and violent crimes. Even in those counties it is a small part of the county that most crime is committed. These encounters seem to be causing a lot of news coverage and getting a lot of attention by the government and the police seem to be taking the brunt of the blame simply because it would be racist to blame those responsible. If we eliminate the police it will cause the situation to get worse. If we eliminate these areas it would solve the problem. When you have a problem the first step to resolving it is admitting you have it and what it is. Until then this will be used politically and laws will be passed to punish the law abiding citizens that don’t live in these areas.

  88. Conveniently the author leaves out the Gun charge and Missed Court date began with an armed robbery charge. That would be putting a gun to someone to demand their $850. If Reason did real work as they before going down the Los Angeles Lefty Rails they’d be asking how someone awaiting trial on armed robbery and further displaying guns held illegally was ever out of jail.

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