Criminal Justice

What Should Happen to the Capitol Invaders?

Now more than ever, it’s important to separate feelings of anger from the needs of justice.

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Much of America came to a screeching halt on Wednesday as supporters of President Donald Trump, driven by unfounded conspiracy theories that the election had been stolen and unwilling to accept his defeat, invaded the U.S. Capitol, shattering windows, storming congressional offices, and fighting with police.

Words like insurrection, sedition, and domestic terrorism were tossed about with angry abandon. Many noted that the Capitol Police seemed a lot more careful and polite about getting the angry mob out of the building than law enforcement in general treated Black Lives Matter protesters in Washington, D.C., though police did shoot and kill an unarmed woman during Wednesday's riot. Arrests were few during the incident itself. Afterward, the FBI began to search out people who participated in the trespassing and vandalism for prosecution. Many more arrests followed.

While it's abundantly clear that America is deeply embedded in a populist culture war, it's dangerous to respond to emotion-driven criminal behavior with emotion-driven legal enforcement. After a year of calls to reform America's policing so that officers don't respond to every problem with violence and to reform our justice system so that we don't lock people up for long periods of time unnecessarily, now is not the time to backslide into bad habits.

The desire to "make examples" out of people charged with crimes out of the belief that this deters future criminals has long contributed to America's extremely high incarceration rate. And yet, as we see with incredibly harsh mandatory minimum sentences as part of America's drug war, the cure is often crueler than the crime and is not particularly effective in controlling people's behavior.

In a country that values liberty, what does "justice" look like for the men and women who trespassed in the U.S. Capitol? We should consider what's appropriate on the basis of the reforms some Americans have been pushing for years.

Limit pretrial detention to those who may be planning more crimes.

America has a pretrial detention problem. We have half a million people who are behind bars who have not yet been convicted of a crime. This is, fortunately, much less common on the federal level, where there are fewer than 50,000 people being detained prior to trial (this isn't counting immigration holds).

Pretrial detention is intended to be used when there's no other option to make sure defendants show up for court dates or prevent them from committing other crimes while awaiting trial. But the reality is that our justice system has been throwing people in jail because they couldn't afford bail requirements or because prosecutors exaggerate dangers, and then apply pressure on defendants to accept plea deals so that they hopefully stop languishing in jail. Pretrial detention has turned justice on its head by punishing citizens before they've been convicted.

We are also in the midst of a pandemic that has hit jails and prisons hard. We do not need to be filling up jail cells with people who, emotional responses aside, were acting out a deluded fantasy and are likely not an imminent threat. Throughout 2020, Reason covered prisons' mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic and the deaths that followed. Twenty percent of the prison population across the country has been infected with the virus.

And in this case, given that the rioters weren't exactly following pandemic safety protocols, the risk here is that these people may bring COVID-19 into jail with them, potentially exposing guards and other inmates.

Seek restitution, not jail time, whenever possible.

The damage to the U.S. Capitol can be repaired. The responses to the Capitol invasion have echoed reactions to violence and looting that cropped up during Black Lives Matter protests, heavily fueled with whataboutism. Some see media quick to tar all these participants as threats to public order while dismissing the violence and destruction that took place over the summer. Others see police treating these angry white folks a lot more nicely than they do protesting minorities, even attempting to justify the behavior of the vandals.

To the extent that these claims are true, they represent ongoing cultural criminal justice concerns that are part of reform efforts. The Justice Department's response to crimes that took place in the Capitol should align with these efforts to make America a country that incarcerates at far lower rates than it does now.

Resist the urge to pile on more crimes based on a sense of outrage. The U.S. Capitol is not, in fact, some sort of sacred, unsullied fortress. It's a big building that serves as one of many laboratories of democracy. It should not be treated as somehow more valuable under the law because of what takes place in the building. It's the people that make democracy function, not architecture.

For those responsible for organizing and encouraging violence, those who apparently planted pipe bombs, and those who directed their violence toward other human beings (not buildings), tougher penalties should apply, but we should still, when possible, strive for restitution rather than incarceration, making them pay for the costs of setting things right, repair or replace what was vandalized, and cover the medical care of anybody they injured. Federal prison terms should be considered for those we believe will continue to attempt to cause harm or try to foment further violence if they remain free.

Hold people responsible for what they did, and only what they did.

On Thursday evening, Capitol Police announced that an officer on the scene, Brian Sicknick, had died of injuries he had received while trying to respond to the assault on the Capitol building.

The response to Sicknick's death brought out some of the worst instincts of Twitter users, with some people saying that anybody who participated in the invasion of the Capitol should be held accountable for the man's death.

Take note of this tweet from Rep. Ted Lieu (D–Calif.) on his personal account:

He's referring to the rule of felony murder, a legal doctrine that allows prosecutors to charge a person with murder if somebody dies during the commission of a felony, even if the offender played no role in the person's death and did not intend for anybody to die.

The felony murder rule is terrible. It's not justice. It should be eliminated. We should not be convicting people of murder when they did not, in fact, commit murder. I bring up Lieu's tweet here because California, the state he represents, mostly eliminated its own version of the felony murder rule in 2018 (though it is worth noting that killing a police officer remains its most significant exception, and so it would still apply here if this all took place in California).

There are many, many penalties we can throw at these people, and federal prosecutors habitually charge defendants with any possible violation they can unearth in order to intimidate them into plea bargains. The only people we should consider charging with murder are those who are actually responsible for Sicknick's injuries.

We have enough laws to address this invasion and don't need more.

There have been dozens of arrests related to the assault on the Capitol. Everything any of these people did that harmed a person or property at the Capitol is a violation of an existing law.

It feels important to point this out because, in the wake of any outrage-inducing criminal event, politicians will quickly come forth to try to take advantage of the situation to introduce laws to make the government more powerful and increase the punishment and incarceration of citizens.

President-elect Joe Biden says he is open to passing more laws to address domestic terrorism, possibly including "red flag laws" that allow the government to forbid citizens from possessing guns even if they haven't been convicted of crimes out of fear of what they might do.

If Trump's presidency has taught us anything at all, it should be that the federal government is extremely powerful. What happened on Wednesday is a result of poor planning and police control, not a result of the government not being powerful enough to stop it.

Fox News pointed out that these trespassers could face long federal prison sentences thanks to Trump's call to prosecute anybody damaging federal monuments, an executive order he put in place to go after antifa members.

Nobody should face 10 years in federal prison for breaking windows, or stealing a bust, or destroying chairs. That's not a proportionate response. That's anger and disgust channeled through the halls of authority, not justice. It will not create peace. It will create martyrs. It won't prevent future violence—it will foment it.

Make sure these people are aware of the mercies extended to them.

There is an irony, of course, that many of these same people believe in the same extremely harsh forms of justice that Trump does. They see antifa everywhere. Some cynically attempted to blame the invasion on antifa. They refuse to accept the harshness of the criminal justice system because they aren't typically the targets.

Resist the instinct to "teach them a lesson" by making them the targets. But do make sure they know exactly what could have happened. Make sure they know that it's only because of the activism of the very criminal justice reformers they dismiss that they're not being treated the way the federal government treated criminals in the 1990s.

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          1. What Should Happen to the Capitol Invaders?

            Trump should pardon them all, laugh loudly, and flip Pelosi the bird.

            1. Trump should PARDON JOE BIDEN for election fraud! That would “show unity and forgiveness, being the bigger man,” while also getting Democrat panties in a twist, which is always fun to watch.

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                    I’ve been a Reason member for 20 years. I’ll wait until you fuckers clear out. No one wants you—not conservatives, not the GOP and not libertarians.

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            2. Perfect!! Woodchipper

          2. What Should Happen to the Capitol Invaders?

            Give them presidential medals of freedom. There is still time. And it would be the greatest troll ever.

        2. So we are watching a formerly free country taking the final steps to transition into another Venezuela…
          Is it really shocking that some people are upset?
          Or should this have been expected?

          1. Hugo Chavez launched a failed coup against the democratic government of Venezuela in 1992. He was tried, convicted, and sent to prison, like Trump should be. But two years later, Chavez was most foolishly pardoned. If we pardon Trump for this coup attempt, we may indeed be going down the Venezuelan road.

      2. Come on now! Antifa’s not perfect, but Antifa would never ever create a homemade insurrection to try to overturn the 2020 POTUS election, especially when Congress was in the middle of certifying Biden’s victory. What those Trump’s boys did by raiding the white house and terrorizing Congress in the middle of certifying Biden’s victory, and causing them to flee is nothing short of vicious, vile, dangerous, and disgusting.

        Those extremist Trump supporters need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; inotherwords, tried and charged with what they did in a court of law, and put behind bars for a really long time.

        1. “Come on now! Antifa’s not perfect, but Antifa would never ever create a homemade insurrection to try to overturn the 2020 POTUS election,..”

          Stuff your hyperbole up your ass to keep your TDS company.

        2. What those Trump’s boys did by raiding the white house and terrorizing Congress in the middle of certifying Biden’s victory, and causing them to flee is nothing short of vicious, vile, dangerous, and disgusting.

          And hilarious!

        3. Go on, man! Clutch those pearls!

        4. if this isn’t satire, you’re a fucking retard my dude. Trumpistas are annoying as hell but tossing people in jail for breaking windows is rather stupid, just like throwing BLM or Antifa in jail for breaking a window is equally retarded. Pay restitution? Yes. Be thrown in a cage? No.

          1. Punishment (fine+weekend in jail) + Restitution (pay percentage of damages) + loosing the 2nd amendment rights (conviction of any crime that carries a possible sentence of a year or more)

            Sound fair?

            1. Doesn’t sound fair at all, no. The 2A loss makes especially little sense. I’m about restitution not retribution, which is what people seem focused on, particularly when it’s their political opponents.

              1. He wants vengeance, so be happy he didn’t include CCP-style involuntary kidney donation.

              2. That’s a confirm, TDS-infected lefty shit to whom you’re responding; do not expect anything like honesty.

        5. this reads like the words from a parody account

        6. “What those Trump’s boys did by raiding the white house and terrorizing Congress in the middle of certifying Biden’s victory, and causing them to flee is nothing short of vicious, vile, dangerous, and disgusting.”

          Thanks to Maypol for inadvertently, I presume, illustrating a point I was about to make and will now make. The author of this article is taking this too seriously. Why discuss penalties as if such things were to be evenly applied when they aren’t. Read Maypol’s hysterical and morally confused comment above.

          On the West Coast we had months of Leftist (and oligarch financed) inner city rioting hand waved away by the Left Powers That Be directly causing injury, destroying property and other offenses against the citizenry and it was treated by the press and the institutional Left as if it was some sort of lark or moral cause. These were people whose livelihoods were destroyed, maybe for a long time. Pelosi and company will clean up the flash mob party mess in a matter of hours. Response of the press to the real, not theatrical, injuries inflicted on innocent people by their terrorists pets? Utter indifference.

          We should all be aggressively indifferent to what happened in DC until folks like the press and Maypol quit playing the special pleading game. In fact, we have a moral obligation to be indifferent.

          Nobody is obligated to play against someone using loaded dice and the Left’s game has been who-whom since forever. One way to make it stop is to adopt the press posture to BLM ‘mostly peaceful’ terrorism when dealing with Rightist political theater.

          Simple fact is BLM and the Left’s philosophical and political forebears where the most murderous people, and criminally dishonorable people, of the last century and they were well into their murder spree long before the German mustache guy entered the scene.

          1. “…Read Maypol’s hysterical and morally confused comment above…”

            You will get posts of no higher quality from Mapol; s/he is a steaming pile of lefty shit, with a raging case of TDS, and it no more connected to reality or facts than is Tony, JFree or the lot of them

          2. Is it possible to be “aggressively indifferent”? Seems like a contradiction.

            I’m trying, tho! Haha.

        7. Come on now! Antifa’s not perfect, but Antifa would never ever create a homemade insurrection to try to overturn the 2020 POTUS election, especially when Congress was in the middle of certifying Biden’s victory. What those Trump’s boys did by raiding the white house and terrorizing Congress in the middle of certifying Biden’s victory, and causing them to flee is nothing short of vicious, vile, dangerous, and disgusting.

          Those extremist Trump supporters need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; inotherwords, tried and charged with what they did in a court of law, and put behind bars for a really long time.

          The capitol high siege protestors should have brought woodchippers with them. Staged them right outside the door so the blood could spray all over the stairs.

      3. Our founders pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

      4. I’m confused; after watching them in action, it would appear the Capitol Police were better prepared than ever ; the question needing an answer is what were they prepared for? Opening barricades and doors into the Capitol for protestors (pick a variety), acting as a guide directly up to the Chamber, and the yet to be explained charter buses given a 5 car police escort front and back, that all showed up just before the trouble began. The masterpiece was when the Cavalry showed up and there were more than sufficient well armed reinforcement, apparently the ‘unauthorized’ occupants were forced to leave the building. So what priority was higher than taking the simple route of shooting ducks in a barrel? Are 50 state manhunts really more efficient, or do they just give you a choice of who to nab first… or at all… BTW why does it appear that every memorable event the Feds get involved in seem to justify a Warren Commission or three…I get the National Geographic channel, and I’ve yet to see an episode worrying about conspiracy theorists becoming an endangered species… is there really enough tin foil to go around as it is?

        Ps: if someone offers Nancy’s or other unnamed laptops to you, don’t pull that Woodward/Bernstein crap and spoonfeed us; Daniel Ellsberg dropped the motherlode right away and on the front page yet. We don’t need no stinkin’ delayed gradification!

    2. Trump should pardon them.

      1. That might be interesting — take our chance on state prosecutions of the marauding clingers, and ensure that Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Donald Trump Jr. are imprisoned under state law.

        1. That might be interesting — take our chance on state prosecutions of the marauding clingers, and ensure that Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Donald Trump Jr. are imprisoned under state law.

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        2. Christ, can’t keep your horrible nauseating stench at Volokh? You really lather that smeg-stank wherever you stumble.

          Go be a Democrat at DU, fuckface.

        3. Trump can pardon any crime in DC too, because it’s federal jurisdiction.

          But in any case felony murder can’t apply because it would probably be impossible to show a preexisting conspiracy to commit a crime.

          But I certainly agree there should be prosecutions. The prosecutors who dropped charges in 2016 when violent protesters disrupted Trump’s inauguration set a terrible precedent. I don’t have any hope they will ever take responsibility for that, and how it encouraged these protests, but that’s how I see it.

        4. I’d have less issue with that if it didn’t smack of using the power of prosecution against political enemies.

          On the other hand, he ran on “Lock her up!”, so fight fire with fire?

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    5. Charged with insurrection and treason. No less than 10 years without any possibility of parole for everyone who actually went in the Capitol looking to kill Congress Critters. The ones who breached the perimeter need at least 2 years with no possibility of parole. People need to learn this shit can’t and won’t be allowed to go on.

      1. You have a cite for the specific statute, or are we just going to wing it?

      2. Wise Old Fool
        January.9.2021 at 6:38 pm
        “…People need to learn this shit can’t and won’t be allowed to go on.”

        Lefty shits infected with TDS should try to hide their hypocrisy, TDS-infected lefty shit.

      3. Contrary to your name, I think that would be unwise. If our primary goal is “less violence”–and I think it should be–these people need to be prosecuted and sentenced fairly and sanely. Perhaps the worst possible thing we could do is to create a group of political prisoners for self-styled freedom fighters to try to free. Now, you’d have a full on grease fire on your hands.

    6. Q. What Should Happen to the Capitol Invaders?

      A. The Same Exact Fucking Punishment That Has Been Meted Out Cretinous BLM /Marauders Lo These Many Months.

      I.e., nothing.

      “People gonna do what they gonna do.”
      -Nancy “Gum Yo Dick To Death Then Eat Some Ice Cream” Pelosi

      1. *Meted Out To… i meant
        (Is there no option for editing of comments on this retarded site?)

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      Democrats and lefties declared civil war 2.0 by committing election fraud, disregarding constitutional law, refusing to redress aid violations of election and constitutional law, and actually declaring war on America.

      There wont be compromise. There wont be submission. There wont be allowances for massive democrat crimes.

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    8. The most you can charge is vandalism and trespass. Just because congress is terrified does nit mean intent at terrorism. Must prove intent to terrorism vs making yourself heard

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  2. Alternatively: brand each of them with the mark of a ‘T’ on their forehead, so that we may know the traitors among us forever.

    I kid. They self-identify sufficiently as is.

    1. Fuck off sarcasmic

    2. Do you suggest the same for the secessionists of Wokadishu?

      1. Yes, but they also self identify sufficiently.

        Oh, wait. Did we just rediscover the horseshoe theory? Neat.

        1. Fuck off sarcasmic

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    3. Accusing people of false crimes and imprisoning them doesn’t do anything to promote the rule of law.

      1. If you take that power away kamala has nothing

    4. I would agree with this in lieu of 10 years in federal max security prison as an alternative if they don’t want the brand.

    5. “I kid. They self-identify sufficiently as is.”

      As do you with every post, lefty shit.

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  5. It won’t matter those in charge want revenge they’ll get it somehow.

    Remember we are entering a new phase – one party rule. And they don’t plan to give up power any time soon.

    Buckle up.

    1. Yep, like to I’ve said for over a year, the last election the US as it is right now, will ever have, was in 2018.

    2. It’s not revenge, it’s justice. 10 years at least for these treasonous fuckers with no parole available.

    3. If the Democrats don’t rule from the center, it will be over in 2 years (mid terms).
      Republicans have less than 2 years to recover from the tRump disaster.

      1. Shit-stain, do you wonder why your 1-st grade classmates laugh at you?
        “tRump”
        That’s why.

  6. Trump should give them medals. Just to fuck with people.

    Trespassing seems like about the worst that most of them did.

    1. I think a pardon would be better than a medal.
      (And it will be fun to watch the heads explode)

      1. Yeah. But medals should be funnier. At this point I’m just judging things by how funny they are.

        1. At this point I’m just judging things by how funny they are.

          Such is life in Clown World.

          1. Not half as funny as YOU fucking are, Moonrocks!

            1. You are garbage that acts like garbage.

      2. Fuck you, Longtobefree, you asshole!

        1. Head explosion noted, stinking pile of lefty shit.

          1. Interesting effect on dipshit, there. I may have to start using this: start a meme!

        2. Are these kinds of outbursts the latest talking points pushed to Lefty Trolls Inc? Just seems weird watching these assholes not even bother with lying anymore, and going instead right to, “Fuck You, Asshole!”

          I guess they think since ‘they won’, they don’t need to bother convincing other people anymore. So be it.

          1. WK has been making a career of it; I assume s/he hopes we all now take his/her anger ‘seriously’, rather than the obvious result of a shallow intelligence, addled by TDS.
            I don’t; it seems to be a response to wild claims of ‘the end of the republic!!!!’ being laughed at by anyone with two brain cells.

          2. They weren’t trying to convince anyone before the election. All their bullshit is performed for an imaginary audience in perpetual awe of how super progressive and extra speshul smart they are.

    2. Pardons sound good. Send the media into madness as a parting gift.

      1. Could you imagine the rage that would explode here?
        Sullum would be writing one hundred columns a day.

        1. That’s the best argument for removing Trump from office immediately.

          1. The best reason is he can never hold a fed office again after he is impeached and convicted

            1. “The best reason is he can never hold a fed office again after he is impeached and convicted”

              Bullshit from TDS-addled lefty shits can be ignored.

          2. “That’s the best argument for removing Trump from office immediately.”

            Bullshit from TDS-addled lefty shits can be ignored.

    3. Pardoning all of them should be completely uncontroversial. Left coast cities have been pardoning everyone arrested in conjunction with the BLM riots.

      1. “Pardoning all of them should be completely uncontroversial.”

        awww, *pats head*

    4. You’re dead fucking wrong here, Zeb. They did more than trespass. They did tons of damage and they caused Congress to put a temporary stop to the certifying of Biden’s victory and to flee until Thursday. Trump deserves to be impeached for what the fuck he’s done.

      1. They did less damage than the Kavanagh protesters who swarmed the confirmation proceedings did, and they stopped proceedings to. A supreme court judge who isn’t a president but it’s damn close.

        And, if you want to talk damage, more damage was also done in one minute of the Washington DC protests in May than the entirety of Wednesday’s protest. They caused millions. Back then billionaire lefties and DNC politicians were bailing them out. Why is now different?

        1. Now is different because the rioters were attempting to thwart a core tenet of our democracy — the peaceful transition of power following an election.

          1. You mean the core tenet that leftists thwarted in 2016? K.

            1. Seriously. They did it in 2017. It definitely would have been worse this year if Trump had won. This wasn’t good, but it was hardly some unprecedented assault. There was no possible scenario where these idiots stopped the vote being certified. No threat to the precious fucking institutions.

            2. What about in 2000, when Gore took the election results to court? Or is it unkind to point that out?

      2. “…they caused Congress to put a temporary stop to the certifying of Biden’s victory and to flee until Thursday. Trump deserves to be impeached for what the fuck he’s done…”

        This is the sort of flaming piles of shit put out by TDS-infected lefty shits which suggests engaging them is ever bit as profitable as discussing econ with those still certain the labor theory of value is correct.
        mapol, the world will thank you if you fuck off and die.

        1. Which labor theory of value? Smith’s or Marx’s, because Marx got Smith’s backwards.

          Smith: somethings value is the amount of an individual’s labor they will trade for it. (revealed preference)

          Marx: somethings value is the amount of labor that goes into making it. (i.e. cost not value)

          1. “…Smith: somethings value is the amount of an individual’s labor they will trade for it. (revealed preference)…”

            That is not a “labor theory of value”; that is simply a reference to one possible contributor to what a party is willing to offer in trade.
            Kidding?
            Stupid?

        2. Too bad you forever Trumpers will have to go back into hiding in the darker innards of the internet with your treason and love of racism and white supremacy. We’ll really miss you 🙂

          1. I’m not going to go hiding in the dark innards of the internet, I’m going to keep living rent free in your head forever.

          2. “Too bad you forever Trumpers will have to go back into hiding in the darker innards of the internet with your treason and love of racism and white supremacy.”

            So you’re hoping lefty TDS-infected shits get to pitch your lies and strawmen un-opposed, lefty TDS-infected shit?

            “…treason and love of racism and white supremacy.”
            First, as an uneducated lefty fucking ignoramus, you have no idea what “treason” means. Further, please tell us who supports racial preferences and read what Shelby Steele has to say about the matter:
            “…Steele argues that what really killed Brown – and fueled the protests that followed – are the racial politics that came out of the 1960s, and the devastating effects of government programs that he believes have robbed many black Americans of the ability to improve their lives…”
            https://www.mcphersonpublishing.com/interview-steele/
            Or as a WWII author commented, regarding the French/US Army relations: “…With all the pathologies which dependence engenders…”.
            Suffice to say, you qualify for a TDS-infected lefty ignoramus, supporting racism and white supremacy. You’re simply too fucking ignorant to understand it; being on the left has that problem.

      3. And several of them brought zip ties. You do that if you[‘re planning to take hostages.

        1. Did anyone take anyone hostage, Jeff?

          Grievance troll me about zip ties is someone was bound by them, otherwise fuck off.
          The pictures clearly show a guy using them to hang flags, you dishonest fuck.

          1. LOL. Muh zipties!

            Hard to zip tie any Congresscritters without also carrying any weapons, you dumbfuck. They’re guarded by people with real guns, as Ashli sadly found out.

            Giving this latest troll the benefit of the doubt, my guess is any zip ties were being carried by: this troll’s Antifa buds, for some sort of malevolent mischief OR they were carried by Trump supporters, with the aim of using them on any protesters who got seriously out of line. As was the case in other protests like the Lobby Day one in Richmond.

            1. These treasonous pieces of shit had weapons and molotov cocktails, they didn’t use them because they didn’t find any Congress Critters to shoot. I think as soon as they started to breach the perimeter they should have been shot like the treasonous piles of shit that they are.

              1. You haven’t seen weapons yet, fool

                1. Lefties in cities shit themselves when supplies ran low during covid hysteria.

                  The lefties refuse to admit what is coming.

              2. “…These treasonous pieces of shit had weapons and molotov cocktails, they didn’t use them because they didn’t find any Congress Critters to shoot…”

                The TDS-infected lefty shit MG has been claiming for two days that there is a vid where ‘they’ claim to want to kill people. For some reason s/he can’t seem to provide it.
                So, as one more TDS-infected lefty shit, let’s see the evidence.

        2. “…And several of them brought zip ties…”

          The TDS-infected lefty shit MG has been claiming for two days that there is a vid where ‘they’ claim to want to kill people. For some reason s/he can’t seem to provide it.
          So, as one more TDS-infected lefty shit, let’s see the evidence.

      4. Gosh darn those folks wanting honest elections. Wonder when the Democrats will look in the mirror and discover they are the bad guys now. Not holding my breathe.

      5. They threatened people with actual power. That’s the reason for all this freaking out. Threatening random passersby, burning down small businesses, taking potshots at beat cops, and so on are all totally fine because no one in power was inconvenienced.

    5. Somebody died because a trespasser hit him in the head. There’s that.

      1. He died of a stoke – not head injuries.

        1. A trauma induced hemorrhagic stroke is the usual cause of death from head injuries.

          He was murdered, as were the lady that was shot and the one who was trampled.

          1. According to sources familiar with the matter, authorities believe Sicknick’s death was driven by a medical condition. They’re also investigating reports that he was attacked with a fire extinguisher or another item at the Capitol, sources said. So far, reports of an attack *haven’t* been confirmed…

            https://www.yahoo.com/gma/capitol-police-officer-dies-injuries-045700773.html

            1. This. Wouldn’t there be pictures blasted everywhere of Officer Sicknick’s bloody head, well before now, if he did get conked on the head with a fire extinguisher?

              That said, arrest and prosecute the people who did hit a cop with that, if it happened at all. And it’s nice to see the Leftist contingent here finally start to give a shit about police injuries suffered when trying to control a riot. About fucking time.

              1. Arrest anyone they can positively ID and who breached the perimeter against the police, more years for those who actually went inside. 10 years minimum for all of them. Some of the ring leaders should be charged with treason and life in prison

              2. It’s pretty easy to see if there was any head trauma that could have caused a brain injury like that.

                We will know soon enough.

          2. Wasn’t he checked out and sent back on duty? Doesn’t sound like murdered.

          3. “He was murdered, as were the lady that was shot and the one who was trampled.”

            The TDS-infected lefty shit MG has been claiming for two days that there is a vid where ‘they’ claim to want to kill people. For some reason s/he can’t seem to provide it.
            So, as one more TDS-infected lefty shit, let’s see the evidence.

        2. if they check again i’m sure they will find out he died of the Kung Flu

  7. “Many noted that the Capitol Police seemed a lot more careful and polite about getting the angry mob out of the building than law enforcement in general treated Black Lives Matter protesters in Washington, D.C., though police did shoot and kill an unarmed woman during Wednesday’s riot.”

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how do you like the narrative?

    1. though police did shoot and kill an unarmed woman during Wednesday’s riot
      Not sure whether that counts as polite or careful.

      1. Did the shooter knock and announce before opening fire?

      2. The woman shot dead in cold blood at the capital was white. That’s all the justification needed in our new normal!????

        1. Play stupid games get stupid prizes, there should have been a lot more people shot and they would have been a lot less reluctant to enter and desecrate our capitol.

          1. You’re playing a stupid game, fool

            1. lol, like I said Trumpsters are in their death throes. Parler cancelled off the various mobile stores. Soon to be kicked by AWS. Kicked off facebook, twitter, etc when they dare to raise their heads with empty threats and hate filled drivel. So yeah I’ll keep playing games 🙂

          2. “…to enter and desecrate our capitol…”

            Oh NOOES! Not desecrate TDS-infected lefty shit’s CAPITOL!!!!
            NOO!

            Stuff your assholic comments up your ass so your TDS has some company.
            And try to finish 6th grade.

            1. Better than the TDSS that Trumpsters have “Trump Dick Suckin’ Syndrome”

      3. Lol she was trying to get in to attack people working in the building when they had went and barricaded themselves in as deep as they could in that building and had no where else to run. That dude should have unloaded his clip into her and the rest of them trying to kill/kidnap the employees working in the Capitol.

        1. “unloaded his clip”

          Good to know you don’t own and are unfamiliar with firearms, fool.
          The State is just minutes away.

        2. Well if those are the new rules of engagement against unarmed protesters I am ready to roll with that.

          1. Of course but could be wrong:

            “Michael Sherwin, acting U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said that his office has started a federal, excessive force investigation over the shooting and killing of former U.S. Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt in the Capitol on Jan. 6. Sherwin confirmed the investigation with CBS News. His civil rights section will lead the prosecution, which is being investigated by D.C. police and the FBI.”

        3. Wise Old Fool
          January.9.2021 at 6:51 pm
          “Lol she was trying to get in to attack people working in the building when they had went and barricaded themselves in as deep as they could in that building and had no where else to run…”

          TDS-infected lefty shit seems to have lost his/her cite. Perhaps that’ because it’s bullshit. Yes, I think that’s it!

    2. One group is a “mob”, the other group are “protesters”. The language choice is telling of a bias.

      1. These were neither, these people were looking to kill pence, senators and representatives. They had weapons, molotov cocktails, and zip ties. they are domestic terrorists that need to all be treated as such, probably just throw them all into prison at gitmo and find their leaders.

        1. turn off CNN

        2. “These were neither, these people were looking to kill pence, senators and representatives.”

          TDS-infected lefty shit seems to have lost his/her cite. Perhaps that’ because it’s bullshit. Yes, I think that’s it!

  8. I wonder, what should happen to the looters, rioters, arsonists and murderers that were pillaging cities across the country for months last year?

    1. Rich billionaires should bail them out and Democratic politicians should eulogize them on Twitter.

    2. They were just “protesters”, apparently.

    3. And what should happen to the mayors and governors who dusted off their Kente Cloths, knelt in support, and vowed solidarity with BLM, then once again vowed to fix all the social injustices. Promises they have been making since the riots of 1968, by the way, and still have no intention of keeping.

    4. They’ll get arrested too, if they don’t knock it off now. Biden won: their services are no longer required. Unless a counter-protest is needed against the Right.

      Night of the Long Knives might be coming soon for you DSA fucks…

      1. > Night of the Long Knives might be coming soon for you DSA fucks…

        The Disabled Students Association?

    5. I wonder, what should happen to the looters, rioters, arsonists and murderers that were pillaging cities across the country for months last year?

      They get a promise of monthly gibs from the public treasury? - aka reparations.

      1. No, Democrats talk a big game but always, always fail to deliver.

        There will be no free healthcare, no free education, no erasure of school loans, no reparations. Leftist election policy always involves offering the biggest giveaways with fingers crossed they don’t win and have to implement it. It takes the naivety of young and low information voters to fall for it every four years. Dem voters should be mocked an pitied every chance you get.

        1. Mocked? Yes. Pitied? No.

  9. For the protestors, who were simply exercising their 1A right to petition the government for redress of grievance, nothing at all.

    The people who did commit crimes, they must bear the consequences of their actions. For those who were not violent, and did not cause any property damage, it would be a very magnanimous move on the part of a POTUS Biden to commute their sentence to time served. Washington pardoned the Whiskey Rebellion participants after a few years. For those who caused property damage or injuries, toss the book at them.

    Now the guy who took the selfie while sitting at Speaker Pelosi’s desk….that man deserves a medal. 🙂

    1. Stop! Stop! Your answer has no histrionics, no hyperbole. It is almost as if a Reasonable response based on the facts is available. It cannot be. We are called Reason magazine after all. How can we embrace the voice of reason?

    2. It was a public building and there is zero excuse that it was closed to the public.

      With that being said, democrats wanted war and war is hell. These people we not even armed and the police shit themselves.

      Wait until barrett .50 cal rifles blast the engines of these tyrannical cop armored cars. Heaps of metal sitting at their police stations.

      1. “Wait until barrett .50 cal rifles blast the engines of these tyrannical cop armored cars. Heaps of metal sitting at their police stations.”

        That would require your fat ass to get out of it’s chair……so….not gonna happen. They have nothing to worry about.

  10. What should happen to the protesters? The exact same thing that has happened to political protesters in this country in 2020.

    Nothing.

    Let them eat cake.

    1. That is not true. Many have been charged in follow-up investigations.

      1. In Portland specifically, the prosecutor is dropping charges regularly. The same goes for Seattle.

        Those two cities are not enforcing the rule of law, so let’s at least be consistent with the same kinds of protests in DC.

        1. Moderation4ever isn’t all that moderate. He has a different set of standards for you if you’re not a (D).

        2. Well check the Wisconsin State Journal Saturday January 9, 2021 for an individual charge in the 2020 summer riots.

          1. “Well check the Wisconsin State Journal Saturday January 9, 2021 for an individual charge in the 2020 summer riots.”

            No, lefty shit, you made the claim, you provide the cite.
            You claim to be at least out of high-school; is that a surprise?

          2. I didn’t mention anything about Wisconsin, did I?

            1. No you did not. I was simply supporting my original comment that there have been follow-up arrests and charges for rioting over the summer and fall. I can not speak for all locations. I can tell you that people have been charged in connection with rioting and property destruction in Madison.

      2. “…Many have been charged in follow-up investigations.”

        Well, we’ll give M4e a pass here; counting beyond 5 or 6 is not among his skills, so that probably counts for “many” to him.

  11. In the new social order of NO CRIME MATTERS I guess they just have to be treated like “mostly peaceful” protesters and forgotten about.

    1. When DC burned in May from the BLM protests and when Kavanaugh protesters invaded the rotunda and wrecked shit it was different because it was for a good cause something something.

  12. Arrest all the rioters, including antifa and BLM.

  13. What Should Happen to the Capitol Invaders?

    For most of them a simple trespass charge, sentenced to do some community service should suffice. For those that damaged property, they need to pay restitution, serve a few days in jail, and then do community service on release. For those who committed assault, 1 year in prison or whatever an assault charge gets you in DC.

    1. Due a Trump EO aimed at the portland rioters, a lot of these guys are going to be facing 10 year minimums.

      https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-protecting-american-monuments-memorials-statues-combating-recent-criminal-violence/

      Cue Alanis Morissette.

      1. Yeah it’s almost like you were completely wrong about Trump.

        1. Quite an extrapolation, but I’m listening…

          1. Wait, you admit it then act like you’re oblivious?

            Oh ok you’re a troll. Never mind.

            1. I’m really not following. How was I completely wrong about Trump?

              1. Your response was different than the caricature in his head. Therefore, you were wrong!

      2. “Due a Trump EO aimed at the portland rioters, a lot of these guys are going to be facing 10 year minimums.”

        Do you have any idea what an “ex post facto law” is? Just asking, since you are suggesting that one is going to put people in jail.
        Did someone up your ‘stupid’ meds?

      3. Protesting by causing damage is a 1st amendment right Trumps Eo is unconstitutional

    2. Whatever they do, I pray they don’t do what they did to the Hammond father and son (terrorist ranchers). Don’t over charge these people for gods sakes it will only lead to more distrust and acrimony.

      1. Oh you just wait.
        It’s downright creepy what USA Today is demanding. The establishment is going to make an example of them, to make sure anyone who may oppose them thinks twice.
        These guys are going away for life.

      2. The Hammonds are hardly terrorists and they bear no relationship to these Capitol occupiers. They were victims of corrupt and oppressive government. These MAGAts were commiting sedition in favor of extending and expanding the incumbent corrupt and oppressive government.

        1. “These MAGAts were commiting sedition in favor of extending and expanding the incumbent corrupt and oppressive government.”

          Big Asshole is confused:
          “These MAGAts were commiting sedition”
          Big Asshole should find out what “sedition” means, but Big Asshole won’t; TDS is sufficient to fuel Big Asshole’s idiocy.
          And Big Asshole here seems to favor big government which, if you’ve read his posts, is not surprising.
          Gee, Big Asshole, some congress shits got frightened, so mow ’em all down, right? Can’t have statists skeered!
          Fuck off and die.

  14. Let them implement a Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.

    1. Isn’t it already? They certainly don’t have to follow the Supreme law of the land on Capitol Hill.

      1. It’s existence was brief in time, but an eternity in memes.

        1. Fuck off sarcasmic

  15. Perhaps what is needed is something like a Truth and Reconciliation Commission used in South Africa at the end of Apartheid. Have the people speak to each other. These days that might be more painful for some than time in prison.

    1. You realize that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa investigated crimes by *all* factions?

      Anyway…you win the Hyper Bowl trophy.

      1. M4E enjoys displaying his ignorance of many different topics. We can add recent history of South Africa, and struggle sessions in China, to the list.

        1. Hey, if Robert Reich suggests it, can’t be all bad.

          https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1317854244586901504

          1. Lot’s of people tend to overlook Reich…

            ^^ That’s ^^ a “short” joke…

            Because he’s seriously like *barely* 5 feet tall…

            1. Would that be Government overReich then?

      2. I have no problem with this. Anyone charged with rioting for any reason should be offer the chance to participate in exchange for leniency. The exception would be those that killed the police officer.

        1. I hope you were never employed at anything above, oh, the janitorial level.

    2. My idea of Truth and Reconciliation is I’ll Live and Let Live if You Live and Let Live…or Not! Such a deal!

  16. Damn, Scott, that’s a pretty long article to maintain a straight face throughout! Applause, applause! You almost had me believing that you were serious about using these new concepts of “socially just policing” on people we hate just as much as people we like. You know that’s not going to happen, and the about-face on policing by the usual suspects isn’t even going to merit a mention. If you can’t go from “All Cops Are Bastards” to “Back The Blue” in the blink of an eye and then back again without breaking a sweat, you’re not going to make it in this business.

  17. “What Should Happen to the Capitol Invaders?”

    Immortalized in a limited miniseries on a major streaming platform with Tom Hanks as Doug!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VaXlMvAvk

  18. What Should Happen to the Capitol Invaders?

    Same thing that happened to BLM and Antifa rioters who trespassed on and damaged government property.

    But don’t expect Kamala Harris or Biden staffers (who bailed out arrested BLM and Antifa) to bail out any of the folks arrested in DC (unless they are BLM or Antifa activists who disguised themselves as Trump supporters to dupe gullible Democrats and left wing media propagandists).

    1. Why should THEY bail them out? Trump should use the money raised for his legal challenges to do that.

  19. They should get the full measure of justice just like the peaceful protestors in Portland got.

    1. Anyone who committed a crime got charged, if they were caught.

      The fact that you people want to collectively punish all the protesters is why you’re the danger. That and the coup attempt you support.

      1. Anyone who committed a crime got charged, if they were caught.

        In almost all cases the charges were dismissed by antifa allied prosecutors . So that should be the standard.

        The fact that you people want to collectively punish all the protesters is why you’re the danger.

        It’s interesting Biden referred to the entire group as domestic terrorists abandoning the left’s previous practice of distinguishing between protesters and rioters. Yet as you pretend other people support group punishment you make no objection to Team Left doing exactly what you pretend to oppose.

        Revealing.

        1. Except I’m not. I’m only referring to the people who assaulted the US Capitol building while Congress and the vice president were inside as insurrectionists or terrorists. Because that’s what they were doing.

          The rest of the goobers outside were merely hoping to overthrow an election, and as far as I’m concerned you can’t be prosecuted for hoping.

          1. Except I’m not.

            Neither is the person you referred to but that didn’t stop your accusation. On the other hand Biden did and you have no criticism for him or anyone else on the left.

            It’s pathetic so many of you losers base everything on partisanship.

            1. In my case it’s not pathetic so much as rational self-interest. I was a registered independent in my youth, thinking there wasn’t much of a difference between the parties. Then Republicans invaded a country based on lies, caused two near-depressions, and perpetuated science denial, disenfranchisement, and now fascism. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and anyone who has the power to put a stop to Republicans before they destroy the United States as we know it and then move on to destroying the habitable environment of planet earth, is my friend.

              And besides, the entire time you people were trying to convince me that you’re above-it-all nonpartisans for freedom, you were licking every fucking Republican boot you could get your tongue on.

              If someone was murdered by cops, fine, I hate cops. That’s why I’m against people like you licking their boots.

              1. So you’ve fallen victim to propaganda and hate exactly as everyone expected. We understood that as the likely cause of your inability to understand reality.

                1. It’s possible. When I smoke a lot of weed sometimes I wonder if I’m the one who’s been had by nefarious interests. Maybe Trump is the lovechild of Jesus and Churchill and Rachel Maddow is an agent of communists. Do you ever self-reflect like that?

                  It’s just that all the congressmen who allied themselves with Trump look awfully sheepish after his little coup attempt. The parents of the people being arrested for invading the Capitol building are spitting on his grave despite having voted for him.

                  Seems like an awfully safe conclusion that he’s a piece of shit psychopath and also all the scientists are right about science.

                  1. Which scientist? Because science isn’t through, I can find respected scientist in any field that disagree with and have published peer reviewed papers that counter whatever you push as science.

                    1. Science isn’t a Blockbuster video dude.

                      I mean scientists are more right about science than morons from the woods who speak in tongues and the politicians they elect to hurt gay people.

                    2. “I mean scientists are more right about science than morons from the woods who speak in tongues and the politicians they elect to hurt gay people.”

                      Moron from the woods, please cite one (1) prediction of temperature increase/time which was shown to be within 50% of the claim.
                      Not for your benefit, since there’s zero chance you’d learn from it, but to make sure that anyone reading your piles of lefty shit, let’s make this clear:
                      You, as a lefty fucking ignoramus, have no idea what the term “science” means. You assume it is some sort agreement among the talking heads featured on CNN; you’re pretty stupid that way, among other ways.
                      It is nothing of the sort. It is a process whereby a ‘scientist’ proposes a theory, and then suggests various experiments which will either prove or disprove the theory.
                      Now, let’s try again: Cite one (1) prediction from a catastrophist which got within 50% of the predicted value.
                      You can’t; there are none.
                      Fuck off and die, shitstain.

              2. Why are the Trumpistas of today composed of the same individuals and influences that gave us the hanging chads?
                Hint: not identical.

                There have always been differences between the parties. You being an independent in your youth for flawed reasons doesn’t mean you should atone by being hyper partisan now.

                The habit of seeing identity groups everywhere makes people easy to trick. I’m not saying groups aren’t an important lens. But if you haven’t heard and seen members of “team Left” praying for the destruction of the US government since before bush/gore, you’re not paying attention.
                The people at the Capitol were comparatively less organized than the largely-white “Allies Lives Matter” multi-city VR tour last summer. Difference being the day they chose and the location. Enemy-enemy-friend? How about keep your friends close and your enemies closer? But no.
                Having an enemy identity group is not an experience everyone shares. Trying to generate a belief that you Do have an enemy identity group and it’s Republicans – is a lot of work to belong on your part. People often wear their own oppression differently; it doesn’t crystallize into an enemy identity except for some individuals and some histories in some situations. The whole “I really belong, I accept what someone said is your enemy as my enemy” charade is signing up to be a tool.
                A walk on part in the war versus a lead role in the cage is no longer the paradigm.

                1. TL, DR; try giving us a hint.

          2. “the people who assaulted the US Capitol building while Congress and the vice president were inside as insurrectionists or terrorists. Because that’s what they were doing.”

            Hey Tony! What about these guys? They assaulted the US Capitol building while Congress and the vice president were inside.
            https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/04/kavanaugh-protesters-senate-capitol-hill-nr-cabrera-johns-vpx.cnn

            What should’ve happened to them?

            1. They actually caused more damage, Tony, than Orangehitler’s fans.

              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/04/kavanaugh-supreme-court-protests-washington

              But they were bailed out by billionaire Democrats. Was that right?

      2. “That and the coup attempt you support.”

        Shitstain normally sticks with just plain lies, but recently he’s been reaching for the outer limits of hyperbole, with the same damaging result for his cred.
        Fuck off and die.

  20. If you think the Portland protesters and these people are analogous, then what do you plan to do when their punishment isn’t?

    Fuck all I bet.

  21. Trump himself says that people who attack government buildings get 10 year sentences. That seems a bit light to me for these traitorous thugs, but lets go with that. Since they are Trump supporters then they should agree with their sentences.

    1. “…That seems a bit light to me for these traitorous thugs, but lets go with that…”

      That’s because you’re a fucking lefty ignoramus.

    2. Remember how after Bush was elected, the Left screamed that dissent was patriotic?
      And then when Obama was elected, dissent was suddenly racist?
      And when Trump won, resistance was not just patriotic, but compulsory?

      Well, dissent is racist again and resistance is now treason.

  22. Much of America came to a screeching halt on Wednesday as supporters of President Donald Trump, driven by unfounded conspiracy theories that the election had been stolen…

    I don’t think people realize the more journalists and pundits fall over themselves applying those unnecessary (and often redundant) qualifiers to “election conspiracy theories” the more people are going to believe they’re being managed and lied to.

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    2. I’m pretty sure the nation didn’t screech to a halt on Wednesday as hard as it did in Feb.

      Maybe if your entire world revolved around the Capitol building and you’ve submitted to and/or embraced the bans on other activities, yeah, the protests brought it to a halt. But for normal people who’s lives don’t revolve around Washington, saying these protests brought the nation to a halt would seem to be disingenuous or even derogatory to the BLM and pussyhat protesters who couldn’t seem to bring Washington to a halt even if they tried.

      1. Someone (a lefty shit) Wednesday, claimed there was a drastic difference between the BLM rioters and the rioters in DC since the latter “affected 330 million people!!!!”
        Only if you were “affected” by CNN bullshit.

    3. More like none of America came to a screeching halt.

      Hey Reason, you need to understand that the reason we don’t believe you anymore is because it’s obvious you’re lying.

    1. The cops defense will be he was trying to shoot the Black guy (per Capitol Police policy) but she was in the way.

      1. The cop does not need a defense. It was completely justified.

        1. No, it wasn’t.

          1. I am normally highly critical of police shootings and I think that this was about as justified as could be. There were members of Congress not far away on the other side of the window/door she was climbing through.

            1. You are normally highly critical of police shootings but the victim here had bad politics, so it’s cool y’all.

              Hypocrite.

            2. “I am normally highly critical of police shootings…”

              Except when your raging hypocrisy gets in the way.

            3. “I am normally highly critical of police shootings and I think that this was about as justified as could be… SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY A RACIST BECAUSE OF SHE LIKED ORANGE HITLER. SHOOTING SUPPORTERS OF THE TANGERINE TYRANT IS JUSTIFICATION IN AND OF ITSELF!!!”

            4. How was shooting an unarmed person justified, she wasn’t assaulting anyone There is no proof she intended to assault anyone, and why only shoot her then? She wasn’t even charging the officer. And a second officer was closer to her and had seen her actions longer and didn’t feel she was a threat. Fuck, you are literally dancing on her grave because she supported Trump.

              1. ANYTHING is justified to the left.
                How do you not see this yet?
                I bet the coming totalitarianism no different than Nazi Germany or the Soviet union will come as a surprise.

                P.S. – I should say “no lesser” not “no different” because the Global Socialists have exponentially more power than the Nazis or Soviets had

            5. What, EXACTLY, makes a politician’s life more valuable than a Citizen’s life?

  23. Same thing that happened to everyone in Portland?

    1. Or the DC Capitol Hill rioters from 8 months ago.

      1. The Chicago 7 also come to mind.

  24. Many noted that the Capitol Police seemed a lot more careful and polite about getting the angry mob out of the building than law enforcement in general treated Black Lives Matter protesters in Washington, D.C.

    There are certainly many assertions of this. Unfortunately this is mostly because left wingers make such claims regardless of whether there is any reasonable basis. In reality left wing rioters screamed in the faces and threatened police who took the abuse stoically. Many police expressed support for them. Police abandoned many buildings to BLM rioters and only prevented rioters from entering many others, allowing them to freely damage the outside including attempted arson.

    Police made little effort to arrest rioters and almost all of those who were had their bail waived or paid by left wing groups and any charges dismissed by allied prosecutors.

    The most obvious disparity though is how left wingers reacted both rhetorically and tactically. BLM riots drew a careful distinction between protesters and rioters with only the latter drawing mild rebukes often months into the riots. Wednesday resulted in claims everyone involved are domestic terrorists. It also took local law enforcement months to increase police presence. It took about 6 hours on Wednesday.

    So yes there has been quite a difference in how police treated the groups.

    And isn’t it interesting we’re suddenly allowed to compare this riot to BLM? Comparisons are fine as long as they benefit left wingers.

    1. A national whack-a-Nazi is in order nonetheless. They infiltrated cops, and it’s time to root them out, because as Americans we kill Nazis, we don’t put them in charge of law and order.

      People noticed that black people sleeping in their beds or selling loose cigarettes or running away get turned to pulp while a white boy can shoot up a church or wave an AR-15 around in public and be treated to a mani-pedi by the cops the next day.

      Or BLM could have no legitimate grievances and it’s all a lie. Who can say? Obviously if you want to know how black people are treated by cops, you should ask the nearest white person.

      1. We kill commies, too.

        1. That we do. Or we did. There are no more commies. We killed them all.

          So if anyone is claiming there are still commies to kill is probably lying and being a fascist. Fascists always claim the communists are coming. The Nazis went after communists before the Jews!

          1. There are a number of communist in the US. And we have never come close to killing all the communist either in the US or in the world. What a fucking stupid claim to make. In fact the number of communist killed in the US can be counted on one hand and none were killed for being communist by the government but for specific acts of treason.
            Fuck you are worse than the rioters on Wednesday.

            1. I am getting the impression that you think people deserve to be murdered by the state for having the wrong political ideology. Maybe you should dispel that, if it’s not the case.

              Communism failed. We won the cold war, and that’s in no small part because communism is dumb.

              There are about 5,000 communist party members in the United States, none of them with any political power, and none of them involved in any violence.

              If you think they are a threat worth paying attention to, you’re an idiot. If a politician is trying to scare you by referring to communists, they’re almost certainly a rightwing demagogue trying to manipulate you.

              Rightwing authoritarianism, unlike communism, thrives in this world. Even our old cold war foe is being run by that model now. And the Republican party has essentially crossed the line, and it did itself no favors by allying with said Putin over America.

              1. No, you stated we have killed the communist, I stated the government didn’t kill any communist and your take away is that you suspect I support viewpoint killing. God you are stupid. No, no one should be killed or prosecuted (since that is exactly what I’ve been arguing against prosecuting people because of their viewpoint) for their views. If I don’t support prosecutimg people for their viewpoints and have been calling you out for exactly that, why would you think I support the government killing them for their viewpoints? Fuck that is blatantly disingenuous gotcha bullshit

              2. Communist countries in the world that are thriving, China and Vietnam. Communist countries that are authoritarian, China and Vietnam. Wow once again you just stated an easily disproved stupid statement.

                1. So we’re both allegedly opposed to authoritarianism, but China and Vietnam are communist largely nominally. The only reason their communist parties survived is because of their willingness to be economically pragmatic.

                  Whatever you are scared of about communism, it’s not going to get anywhere near you. The United States has the world’s most powerful army backing up global capitalism. There are literally millions of corporations headquartered in Joe Biden’s home state. You won. Take the victory.

                  1. I’m your huckleberry

            2. “…What a fucking stupid claim to make…”

              You’ve been here long enough.

          2. Communist / Fascist / Socialist…. all one in the same.

          3. Democrats are Communists, stupid.

      2. Nazis, Nazis everywhere. That’s totally sane.

        But listen to the lady in white. She’s there to help you.

        1. I am betting there are more self identified marxist and communist in the US (it is okay to even claim publicly you are a marxist without fear of public censure) than fascist.

          1. It depends on the definitions doesn’t it? Tony and the other idiots believe everyone they disagree with is a fascist so that’s a lot of people.

          2. You couldn’t fit all the left-wing authoritarians in the US in Delaware, but you could probably fit all the right-wing authoritarians in the Dover Downs.
            As for actual US Nazis, they could hold their convention in the Christiana Mall food court.

            1. As for actual US Nazis, they could hold their convention in the Christiana Mall food court.

              Trump deported the last known actual Nazi living in the US. No joke.

  25. Are you kidding me?
    These people used considerable violence with the purpose and effect of obstructing the Congress from performing one of its most important functions. How is 10 years disproportionate? It feels like a minimum to me.

    1. Those who committed acts of violence should be punished appropriately. Otherwise, delaying a vote for a few hours isn’t exactly an existential threat to the system.

      1. What would be an existential threat?

        Oh oh let me guess some black college students in Portland burning a car.

        1. Viewpoint discrimination – such as Democratic governors and mayors’ treatment of anti-lockdown protestors compared to BLM protestors – is an existential threat to the rule of law.

          1. Maybe the anti-lockdown protesters should have worn masks and demonstrated that they were protesting for the right to be responsible citizens instead of reckless disease vectors.

            You don’t have a civil right to infect other people with disease.

            1. Yeah you can only use your 1Arights if you follow the rules we set forth, which includes following the exact rules you are protesting, otherwise you can’t practice your 1A rights. That is totes not authoritarian.

              1. You don’t have a first amendment right to infect other people with a disease.

                1. You can only infect if you are infected. And the science on masks say at best they only minimally reduce the spread if you are infected. So your statement only applies if you feel the protestors were infectious. The idea that they may be infectious but we don’t know therefore we are restricting their 1A rights, can be applied for any airborne or respiratory illness and contact illness. That is a stupid distinction. And yes some of those that exists are far deadlier than COVID.

            2. They aren’t infecting other people with a disease if they don’t have it, dipshit.

              Your talking points tonight are worse than usual.

              1. An infected person has a disease whether they believe it’s a Chinese hoax or not.

                1. Which isn’t the same as them all being infectious. Your distinction only applies if you are arguing all of them were infectious which could only occur if they all were infected, in which case there would be no need to worry about it spreading since everyone already had it.

                2. wow. this is really stupid, even for you.

          2. This. Tony and his ilk, and the politicians he supports proposals since Wednesday are starting to piss me off more than the riots on Wednesday. And making me more sympathetic to their grievances (the rioters). I have condemned Trump since November 3rd in his stupidity. I condemned the rioters, I stated I would use force if necessary to defend any effort to overturn the election without solid evidence of malfeasance, despite the fact that I voted for Jorgenson and would have been far happier with a Trump victory than a Biden victory. But the lefts full tilt, hypocritical in my opinion, to use these riots to punish the right, is making me angry enough that I am quickly starting to believe that they will use this as an excuse to institute one party rule .

            1. So the entire planet including Republicans in Congress are abandoning Trump over this, and you have gained sympathy for him?

              Stop worrying about leftists. They aren’t the ones who committed terrorism against the United States in this instance.

              If Trump’s stupidity costs the Republican party and its ideological allies power, all the better. Or, depending on your point of view, that sucks, we should have picked a sane person as president.

              Heal thyself dumbfuck. You did this to yourselves.

              1. They aren’t the ones who committed terrorism against the United States

                Oops, what’s this Tony?

                https://twitter.com/SamanthaJoRoth/status/1267291110197657600

                “The nation’s capital is legitimately on fire in every direction. This is unreal”

                1. Oops, what’s this Tony?

                  https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1347046181357162496

                  “Photos of Capitol building in the US being overrun and under siege by lefty Dems over the last decade.
                  Those things were covered as great activism”

                  1. Oops, what’s this Tony?

                    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/04/kavanaugh-protesters-senate-capitol-hill-nr-cabrera-johns-vpx.cnn

                    “Protesters were arrested at the US Senate building as hundreds of activists descended on Capitol Hill while lawmakers were holding confirmation hearings”

                    They destroyed $700,000 in property and got $50 fines which were covered by a Democratic billionaire.

                    You’re a fucking fraud, Tony. You waved this shit away back then but now you pose, and huff, and puff, and posture.
                    What a pile of garbage you are.

                    1. So it’s bad if leftists do it and not bad if Trumpists do it a million times worse. I know, you’ve explained that many times. It’s why you’re an insane person.

              2. I didn’t vote for Trump and condemned his pollyandish stupidity and condemned the riots but also don’t think they are worse or different than left wing riots. And the terrorism angle applies to the left also, if your definition of terrorism includes destroying federal property, even in DC as the left riots shave also done that. I don’t need to heal myself eciae I have consistently condemned violence on both sides and don’t only condemn violence obecuae of viewpoint. In fact Nardz will tell you he is pissed off some because I have condemned Trump for three months now and have condemned his supporters for their actions.

                1. He’s shitposting, soldiermedic76.

                  Tony shrugged his shoulders when far worse was done the Capitol in May.
                  He didn’t give a shit all the other times the rotunda was invaded by lefty protesters who all did far more damage.
                  He didn’t call the lefties that invaded the Senate Chambers during the Kavanagh confirmation, “terrorists”.

                  The fact that this is portrayed as “terrorism and insurrection” by the same people who portrayed all the other incidents as “legitimate protest” is some of the greatest gaslighting the world has ever seen.

              3. I did t say they are I am saying if you continue you will gain sympathy. People are abandonomg Trump and his movement but you start punishing people simply for supporting Trump, or punish Trump rioters harder than left wing rioters you will reverse that motion.

                1. Didn’t state.

                2. Let me clarify the first sentence. I didn’t say Trump and his supporters are currently gaining sympathy (although from personal observation many of the same people who I know who were angered and hurt by the rioters actions and condemned Trump on Wednesday are now condemning the left) I said if your ilk continue on the path you started on Wednesday and seek to be doubling down on, people will move from condemning Trump back to supporting him or at least his followers. I have not defended Trump so much as defended his followers and the mischaracterizationd of them by thee left for the past 4 years. The more the left mischaracterized and attacked the character and motivation of any Trump supporter the more it made me sympathetic to his policies despite the fact I found him personally repulsive.

              4. “So the entire planet including Republicans in Congress are abandoning Trump over this,”

                Most of the Republicans in Congress were never in Trump’s corner to begin with, they just thought it politically suicidal to admit it.

                Now they think it’s survivable.

                1. “Most of the Republicans in Congress were never in Trump’s corner to begin with, they just thought it politically suicidal to admit it.

                  Now they think it’s survivable.”

                  Judging by, e.g., Dan Crenshaw’s recent editorial in the WSJ, their staffers are telling them, “Not so fast there, guys. You might want to start kissing your constituents’ asses right fucking now.”

                  The Republican Party is in deep shit. It doesn’t take much of their base to say, ‘Fuck This,’ for no Republican to have a shot in any but 25 percent or so of Districts ever again.

                2. No I think it’s still suicidal and they’re currently being forced to blow their own brains out.

            2. Proof the Big Lie works.
              I mean, we’ve gotten no explanation for a bunch of behavior that looks like cheating and is inexplicable otherwise, and have nothing but the numbers given to us by people with a history of corruption and dishonesty to go on to decide who wins elections.
              Guess there’s no need to find out why they lied about a burst pipe, or why they stopped counting in a number of locations at the same time, or why Biden mentioned he had a vote fraud team… because it’s all a crazy conspiracy theory.
              Sure, statistical analysis is broadly applicable to the world… except elections.
              Sure, thousands of poll workers have gone on record with concerns, with nothing to gain and a lot to lose… but they’re obviously liars, while the staffing companies full of people previously convicted of fraud and major media and politicians must be telling the truth.
              And sure, they’re censoring dissent and promising totalitarian persecution of their political enemies, but they’d never stoop to cheating elections to gain power and wealth.
              Nope, nothing to see here.

              Good to know that elections need nothing more than the media telling you who won to be legitimate.
              U.S.S.A!
              U.S.S.A!

            3. I never voted for Trump. The last Republican I voted for espoused ‘No new nation building.’ and I didn’t vote for him in his second term when he went to war to rebuild Iraq. Tony said that Trump should’ve called out the Armed Forces to liquidate the protestors. Pretty objectively, Tony is personifying the batshit insane, bloodthirsty warmonger that he’s projected Bush, Cheney, and Trump as being. In rank order of most-to-least likely to “push the button”:

              1. Tony
              2. Kennedy
              3. Cheney
              4. Trump
              5. Bush

            4. have you seen this video? It wasn’t just fur coat and horns dude

              https://youtu.be/cJOgGsC0G9U?t=977

              1. That was a small portion of the tens of thousands of people that were peacefully protesting outside.

                Nice to know you’re such a collectivist though.

        2. No, those people should be punished for the ordinary crimes they committed too.

    2. One of its most important functions is to ignore facts, integrity, and the basic rights of Americans with a pretend counting of electoral votes? ….Ok, touché

      1. *Punctual and localized* counting of electoral votes. Count the votes at Langley or Camp David or AF1 two days later and the Republic is lost.

        It’s important for The Great Reset that we count the votes in the same building that rose emaculately from the swamps 200 yrs. ago and has stood, completely undisturbed and unmolested, since 1812.

    3. For decades left wingers have been extolling civil disobedience as a virtue conferring sainthood, but the first time there’s a similar event from their enemies the about-face gave them whiplash.

      1. An essential component of civil disobedience is accepting the consequences thereof, including arrest and prosecution.

        1. Correct.

          An essential component of rule of law is equal application, but we don’t have that.
          Can’t maintain a civil society in such a state.

        2. At one time, an essential component of civil disobedience was that you disobeyed by violating the law you were protesting. Eating at the lunch counter. Drinking from the ‘white’ water fountain. Sitting in the front of the bus. Gandhi making salt by the sea. This sort of civil disobedience is predicated on the idea that the law being violated would be unpopular and repealed, if the public saw people being arrested and prosecuted for violating it. So you make the government arrest you quite publicly, and getting prosecuted is a key element of the strategy.

          The left wants to use civil disobedience to oppose popular laws, so violating those laws would just result in public approval for their being arrested. So, instead, the left violates OTHER laws, in an obnoxious fashion, in order to become such a nuisance that people will give them their way just to make them go away: Block roads, chain yourself across doors and gates, take over public spaces and exclude others, vandalism, arson, looting.

          And then defends their lawlessness by appealing to the law breaking of the earlier form of civil disobedience. But object to being prosecuted, because that prosecution would be popular, and thus counterproductive.

          What we saw in D.C., to a limited extent, was the right adopting left-wing style disobedience. But it’s not going to work, because the left is majorly into double standards.

    4. Their goals were much more. They wanted to install an unelected president. Some wanted to hurt or kill members of Congress. They even had gallows setup outside the Capital.

      1. Your pearl clutching about the gallows outside shows you are completely unfamiliar with typical leftwing protests.

        1. Oh he’s familiar. He knew there was a guillotine at the DC protests in May. He acknowledged that yesterday.
          He’s just deliberately trying to gaslight you.

      2. They wanted to install an unelected president. Some wanted to hurt or kill members of Congress.

        Mindreading is so wonderful. Did the people setting fire to the occupied federal building not want to kill people? Or is the difference that there were important left wingers in this group?

        They even had gallows setup outside the Capital.

        I wonder where they got the idea.

        https://www.foxnews.com/us/amazon-jeff-bezos-guillotine-dc-protests

        But it just goes to show left wingers will accept anything from other leftists but the second someone else acts their judgement completely changes.

      3. And can you prove that? Beyond reasonable doubt, all their defense lawyers have to say is they were their to protests for the majority, who never got past the rotunda, and to get their grievances heard. Even if you could prove that they supported overturning the election, that is still protected speech, no matter how stupid. Anyone who destroyed property, or committed violence may be charged with sedition but stating we want Trump to win, and we think the election was stolen and that congress should vote to not certify the electoral college results is protected speech rather you like it or not.

        1. Even calling for a civil war or overthrowing the government, did they didn’t actually participate in direct violence, is protected speech. I have seen no reports the protestors, or at least a majority of them, were armed. Considering a number of left wing protestors and rioters, some of whom did also damage federal property and commit other acts of violence, have also called to overthrow the election and have protested in 2016 to get congress to decertify the electoral college to overturn Trump’s victory (albeit they didn’t break into the capital building but I could be mistaken, but I believe they were allowed to protest in the rotunda whereas Trump supporters were barred from the Capital grounds on Wednesday) charging Trump supporters with treason or sedition would be prosecution based upon viewpoint rather than equal application of the law. The left’s overreach on this may well backfire. I was pissed and heartbroken by the actions Wednesday,but am quickly getting more pissed at the left every day since. Your calls are as unAmerican and as big a threat to our Constitution and Republic as the rioters actions on Wednesday.

        2. And can you prove that?

          Why don’t you ask Zip Tie Guy what his plans were.

          https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/01/was-there-a-plan-for-hostages-or-killings-at-the-capitol.html

          1. So charge him with attempted murder. That is one guy, is that all the rioters? And protestors? Didn’t you this summer condemn anyone who grouped all the protestors and rioters into one group? How is that different?

            1. For what? Walking around with zip ties?
              I suppose you could eventually kill someone with them, but a pointed stick or a rock would be more effective.

              Speaking of rocks, some of the Kavanagh protesters had rocks and the BLM protesters had Molotov Cocktails when they invaded the capitol, and they only got $50 fines.

              1. If they can tie the zip ties and rocks to a plan to murder that is conspiracy to commit homicide. And if they have evidence of that charge him. That is what I meant. Charge if they have the evidence that he carried these with the intent to commit homicide.

                1. They were using the zipties to hang flags. There’s pictures of them doing it.

                  I think in a normal situation this shit would be laughed out of court, but I think the establishment is out to set an example, and if a guy was walking around with a bottle of the water they’ll charge him with plotting to drown people.

                  1. Okay if true then homicide or attempted homicide charges would be to much. Based upon the story he posted, which does seem a bit hyperbolic and short of evidence and definitely biased, at least one was armed and they had formed the zip ties into flex cuffs. However, if you have a story that disputes his citation I would love to read it. As I can believe slate is misrepresenting the facts, especially given the over the top hyperbole in a good portion of the story and the tone of the author’s obvious bias in describing the facts.

                  2. And I am not doubting your assertion, basically I am asking out of a true desire to gather evidence to form my own opinion.

              2. Pointed stick? What about fresh fruit?

            2. I don’t think it’s “attempted murder”. But I don’t think it demonstrates harmless “frat boy” behavior either. Neither I nor Molly claimed that they were ALL intent on murdering Congress. But there were SOME, like Zip Tie Guy here, who definitely seemed like they had more on their mind than just taking selfies.

              1. Actually Molly did not state some she made a collective intent to murder. She did not distinguish the tone of her post was a universal condemnation and guilt for intent to commit homicide.
                This is her exact quote “The people at the US Capital tried to kill the VP and members of Congress that was their stated goal, on video, when they broke it. This is not at all about their political message.”.
                Notice the collective “the people”. She didn’t draw any distinction it was a universal condemnation.

                1. Neither did Biden, who labeled hundreds of thousands of people traitors and terrorists.
                  But keep thinking traditional civil norms still apply.

              2. And all I ague is to charge them no harsher than anyone else who committed similar acts during and political protest. Period. Charge them only as harshly as those who you support have been charged for similar actions.

                1. The events of last Wednesday are dissimilar. The rioters were attempting to thwart a core tenet of democracy — the peaceful transition of power following an election.

                  1. Just like leftist protestors did in 2016, but the difference was they were allowed to protest on capital grounds but this time right protestors were blocked. That is the only difference i see. Blocking their protests undoubtedly led to some of the violen

              3. If the zip ties were meant to hang posters or flags, carrying them is not sinister (notice I stated if) and isn’t harmless frat boy stuff because it doesn’t even rise to harmless frat boy stuff. I use zip ties all the time on the farm, they are damn handy, if you caught me with them would you accuse me of doing something sinister.

          2. I was staring it on a generalized statement in reference to her generalized statement that that was the stated goal of all of the people involved Wednesday.

          3. Lol that article.

            They try and make it sound sinister and destructive, but it sounds like Friday night at Tony’s loft.

            “The miscreants smear shit on the walls and smoke weed in conference rooms. Someone gets shot; someone else has a heart attack, possibly under ludicrous circumstances. When they finally get rousted, they cry to the cameras about getting maced.”

            He forgot to mention the broken pane, but absolutely horrific stuff. I can see now why Jeff is all atwitter. Smoking weed is bad.

  26. The best thing would have been just to nuke DC while this was going on.

  27. How does the intentional and successful disruption of the Congress of the United States in its effort to carry out its constitutional duty not add up to insurrection?
    18 U.S. Code § 2383 – Rebellion or insurrection
    Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    1. Same reason nobody in Wisconsin was charged with insurrection.

    2. You would have to show that voicing grievances is insurrection. Those who didn’t invade offices or the floor, could argue they simply were voicing their grievances. The rotunda is generally open to the public, and protests have been allowed in it numerous times during the past 4 years (actually for most of it’s history). I condemn the rioting but also condemn people like you who are using this as an excuse to punish one group more harshly than others have been punished in the past. If you want a civil war, try leveling sedition charges. Many of us who were appalled Wednesday are quickly becoming more sympathetic to the rioters. Because of shit like what you posted and Biden’s proposed red flag laws, which amount to taking away guns if you disagree with the government vocally. Notice it says without any conviction based upon perceived danger to the workings of the government. That is to fucking broad.

    3. “How does the intentional and successful disruption of the Congress of the United States in its effort to carry out its constitutional duty not add up to insurrection?
      18 U.S. Code § 2383 – Rebellion or insurrection
      Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

      You badly need to research the phrase “non-sequitur”.

  28. Looks to me like we’ve already teetered over the edge into full blown tyranny and Reason continues to be oblivious.

    1. Not oblivious, enthusiastically supporting it

  29. I like the “this would have been a massacre if it was a BLM protest” narrative because:

    1. Some of the protesters are black
    2. Some of the cops are black

    1. And we have the entire year of 2020 as the counterfactual.

  30. It wasn’t that long ago that the usual suspects around here were throwing around accusations of “sedition” for the ‘crime’ of leaving bottled water out in the Arizona desert so that migrants didn’t die of thirst.

    And yet, quelle surprise, these same suspects have difficulty with using the word when it comes to actually breaking into the US Capitol and disrupting the lawful business of Congress. Shocking.

    1. I would say neither constitute sedition, but whatever.

    2. I expect you have some examples of “the usual suspects” claiming in these comments that leaving water bottles in the desert is sedition? Or will I have to bring out my shocked face again?

    3. “It wasn’t that long ago that the usual suspects around here were throwing around accusations of “sedition” for the ‘crime’ of leaving bottled water out in the Arizona desert so that migrants didn’t die of thirst.”

      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.

    4. That is a serious fucking strawman. Too bad it only exists in your mind.

      1. Men of straw is all Jeff has left.

  31. For the most part, I agree with the authors views. The US justice system is far too heavily focused on pointless and expensive retribution and punishment. It should be informed more by reason than by emotion. But I think that the invasion of the Capitol building should be seen as different from other protests that destroyed property. Many of the people who broke into the building have said that they intended to start a revolution and bring down he government by force. The fact that they had no chance of success and that their attempt was pathetic doesn’t lessen the seriousness of the crime. But again, the author is right and lengthy prison sentences are not the answer, except in a few cases.

  32. One question I have, isn’t the capital rotunda open to the public? And the galley? Not the floor or the offices, but most didn’t go past the rotunda, so can they be charged with trespassing? Also, haven’t protestors held protests in the rotunda in the past? How were they treated?

    1. Anyone who committed violence, or committed vandalism should be prosecuted but punishing anyone in the capital that day, if they didn’t enter restricted areas, would just lead to more division.

    2. No part of the Capital was open to the public that day. They give White House tours, but that does not make it ok to break down the doors and windows anytime you want to.

      1. Have they allowed protests in the past? They allowed left wing protestors during the Kavanaugh hearings in the rotunda, e.g. this is selective enforcement based upon viewpoint. That is as UnAmerican as the ones who invaded the floor and stopped the vote. In fact viewpoint discrimination is a larger danger in my opinion.

        1. The Capital that day was closed to all visitors and protesters. It does not matter what happened two years ago. They broke down doors, broke windows, beat a capital police officer to death. They are the scum of the earth.

          1. It does. Because if it was closed only to keep out these protestors that is viewpoint discrimination. And yes it does in court matter what happened two years ago, because if the defendants can prove that the closure on Wednesday was not standard protocol they can prove that this was a violation of the 1A while others have been allowed in the past to enjoy the same rights they were denied. It is called precedence. If the precedence in the past was to allow protestors in the rotunda, blocking protestors this time was a break with presence and therefore unconstitutional, because it created a standard on speech that hadn’t been applied to others. The USSC has been very consistent on this, that any hindrance on the 1A must be equally applied. If protests were allowed two years ago, if left wing protests were allowed two years ago, but right wing protests banned access this time, that demonstrates unequal hindrance on the right to speech and access to their elective representatives and thus unconstitutional under current supreme court juris prudence on political speech. The fact that you state that making different rules than were applied in the past demonstrates that you support viewpoint discrimination. You are as dangerous as the rioters on Wednesday, if you support viewpoint discrimination. And stating it is okay two years ago that protestors were allowed in but it was okay to block protestors on Wednesday, is viewpoint discrimination.

            1. Unclear on the distinction between speech and criminal conduct?

              1. Quite clear. Are you unaware of the difference between equal justice and retribution against people you disagree with?

              2. I swear to god the Trump Administration has broken more people’s minds…

          2. Well Molly you’re so transparent. It absolutely matters what happened two years ago. Or any time.

            There’s this concept of justice. Or fairness. Apparently you’re not familiar with them but try google.

          3. Now the breaking doors is destruction of property and is a crime but you can only prosecute the ones who broke the doors down, not the ones who followed through the broken doors. The difference is, if they didn’t destroy anything, or harm anyone, prosecuting them is a dangerous break from precedence. Or charging them with more than misdemeanor trespassing, which is all the protestors who disrupted the Kavanaugh hearings were charged with. That is the legal precedence. Period. You are justifying harsher sentencing based upon the fact you disagree with Wednesday’s actions. That is as UnAmerican as those who invaded the house floor and stopped the vote. Although, there is some precedence even for that, as a number of democratic Representatives and some protestors in the past have also “occupied” the house floor to prevent a vote on matters they disagree with.

            1. Yes you can, trespassing is still trespassing.

              1. And I said charge them with misdemeanor trespassing the same as other protestors were charged with in the past.

          4. MollyGodiva
            January.8.2021 at 7:35 pm
            “…It does not matter what happened two years ago…”

            It does to those other than lefty shits lying to defend their claims:
            “Anti-Kavanaugh protesters keep up the fight, even after he’s confirmed”
            “(CNN) — Protesters opposed to Brett Kavanaugh’s appointment to the US Supreme Court swarmed over Washington on Saturday – massing at the Capitol, disrupting the confirmation vote in the Senate and banging on the Supreme Court building doors when Kavanaugh arrived to be sworn in…”
            https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/06/politics/kavanaugh-protests/index.html

          5. “It does not matter what happened two years ago. They broke down doors, broke windows, beat a capital police officer to death. “

            What about eight months ago, when they broke down doors, broke windows, burned buildings, flipped cars and beat capital police officers?

            Also; “beat a capital police officer to death”

            Meanwhile in between all the gaslighting:
            “Many details regarding Wednesday’s events and the direct causes of Brian’s injuries remain unknown, and our family asks the public and the press to respect our wishes in not making Brian’s passing a political issue,” the family said.”

            I’ll bet. If Jeff and his authoritarian pals had their druthers, poor Brian would be turned into their very own Andreas Bauriedl.

            1. The officer was reportedly bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher.

              1. And no one is saying don’t charge the offender with homicide, but to charge everyone, even those not involved would be an abuse of power. Stop arguing strawmen.

              2. Key word there is “reportedly”. I’ve been burned by the media too many times from their initial reporting to believe them.

                If it runs out to be true, the perp and the perp alone should be charged.

      2. And since they have allowed protestors as recently as a year ago protest in the rotunda during critical votes (e.g. supreme court nominations) selective enforcement will not lead to unity but to more anger on the right. The lefts constant drumbeat since Wednesday to eliminate Trump supporters and punish them is making many moderate conservatives and libertarians pissed off and more sympathetic and I condemned Wednesday’s actions and still condemn them. But I also strongly condemn the left who is using this as an opportunity to punish people for differing viewpoints. If they have allowed protestors in the rotunda in the past, why did they not allow it on Wednesday? It may actually have led to less violence. Shutting them out, when they’ve allowed others in the past pissed people off. And then when they did break in, the mob took over.

  33. And Biden’s proposal on red flag laws, as I haven’t seen anything saying anyone was armed other than the idiots who placed IEDs (which already carry heavy felony terrorism charges) seems like a recipe to punish wrong think.

    1. One of the big reasons I opposed Trump’s stupidity over the past few months and Wednesdays battle was because I knew some on the left would use it as an excuse to punish anyone who disagrees with them. And they are proving me correct.

      1. See every one of Tony’s posts since Wednesday afternoon for reference. They are gleeful over this and will use it to the full effect while also maintaining these riots were different, worse, than three months of riots over the summer and increasing left wing violence since 2015.

        1. Yes because those protests were for something good and just, and this is an attempted coup by a madman and his crazed cultists.

          The fact that you’re continuing to try to discredit the entire BLM movement and message by collectively making them all responsible for all violence that happened anywhere nearby simply piles on to your support of fascism.

          Right now you’re expressing support for both the madman and his vicious scapegoating of minorities. You’re just wrong on every side of this.

          1. I don’t discredit the BLM movement, I disagree with their actions but support police reform,as I have stated multiple times on Reason. In fact I have argued multiple times with a number of the conservatives about the need for police reform. Fuck, again you just stated it, the only difference for you is because you feel BLM good, Trump supporters bad and fully support different standards based upon that. I say the standards need to be the same.

            1. Blm does not support police reform.

              They may have claimed to do so…. But at every turn they have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

              You can no longer pretend that this is coincidence.

              The purpose of BLM is to foment racial animus and to raise money. That is all.

              And it has worked. leBron James has outed himself as a full-on racist. MLK is no longer the standard bearer for racial equality. His dream is now disfavored.

              Instead we have anti-racism. Which means we should not all be treated equally, colorblind society is a bad thing, and we need to opreas former opressors for justice.

              Just because someone pretends to be on your side, don’t let your guard down. Evaluate what they actually do.

              1. Which has been my stance I support police reform but don’t support BLMs tactics nor many of their aims.

                1. You still fail to see the left for what it really is.

          2. And where did I support Trump? How many times in this comment section today alone have I repeatedly stated I condemn Trump’s attempts over the past three months? In almost every single post I’ve made.

            1. Are you a good little progressive? No?

              Then you are a Trumpist. Now shut up and do as you are told. Just be quiet and listen to your betters.

              1. They did listen to their betters. Their moral superiors on the left told everyone that it was OK to storm buildings and break shit. Those peaceful protesters were just following the learned instruction of our leftist moral teachers.

            2. There’s no middle where these people are concerned, Soldier. You’re with them, or against them. When they tell you that what’s they’re going to do to you is your fault—pro tip: they were planning on doing it anyway.

              Being nice and respectful is going to get you treated as an enemy, just the same as those who aren’t respectful in pointing out their bullshit.

              This isn’t like other times, man.

          3. And how many times have I stated I condemned the violence and destruction of property today in this comment section? Again almost every single post. What I’ve stated is I oppose treating them differently because I disagree with their views. Fuck, for you to state any differently is pure disingenuousness on your part. I can only conclude that you are purposely lying now to discredit me. That you are not at all even attempting to be honest.

            1. You’ll realize soon enough that they are going to come after you too.

              1. Oh I know it, I just don’t support giving them ammunition to justify it. If and when violence occurs , I rather they initiated it because then public support will be against them. Think strategically.

                1. I do think strategically, which is exactly why I speak with fucking urgency.
                  To be honest, it’s probably already too late.
                  The State will murder us, and it doesn’t matter what we do or don’t do. The public will not give a shit because the Left’s control of information is absolute and people still want to pretend that things like Nazi Germany can’t happen here.

          4. “Yes because those protests were for something good and just, and this is an attempted coup by a madman and his crazed cultists.”

            If you need help with that strawman, that other lefty shit MG is right down-thread; s/he is a lying lefty shit nearly as dishonest as you and I’m sure s/he will be more than willing to lend a hand.

          5. “Yes because those protests were for something good and just, and this is an attempted coup by a madman and his crazed cultists.”

            A1 protects even lefty shits making asinine comments like this.

          6. HAHAHAHA! The cause doesn’t matter, Tony.

            Either you can peacefully protest, or you can’t. You fucks said that was OK, so those peaceful protesters just copied what they were told all summer was OK. And now you’re all bitchy because nobody gives a shit anymore.

            1. Okay go vandalize something then. Try to overthrow the election again. At least you’ll know the cops will treat you gently before they throw you in a cell.

              1. Poor lefties.

                These protesters and vandals were unarmed. Cops shit themselves.

                You wanted a civil war 2.0 and its coming.

  34. “What Should Happen to the Capitol Invaders?”

    Along with Antifa, BLM, Proud Boys, Q-Anon, Westboro Baptist, KKK, Neo-Nazis, Nation of Islam, and any other rabble I missed…

    Thunderdome Pay-Per-View!

    Two Groups Enter, No Groups Leave! Two Groups Enter, No Groups Leave!

    1. Oh, and all proceeds from the Thunderdome Pay-Per-View should go to all innocents injured and towards repair and restoration of all homes, stores, roads, and property destroyed in these past 7 months.

  35. To all who are comparing this to the BLM protests. They are not at all the same, nor even close. Yes, some BLMers committed crimes and they should be prosecuted. BLM was protesting cops (government agents) killing and otherwise abusing black people. The Trumpers were trying to install an unelected president and some were trying to kill members of Congress or the VP. The were urged on by the president himself in an attempted self-coup. They were insurrectionists and traitors to the US. They broke into the US Capital building and beat a police officer to death with fire extinguisher. They speared feces and urinated in the hallways. They were scum of the earth and anyone who defends them or minimizes what they did are traitors along with them.

    1. Both are protected speech. The fact that you state that is a distinction demonstrates that you are calling for prosecution based upon speech. And FYI more than one of the riots this summer also called for the overthrow and forced removal of the president who was legally elected. So the difference is far less than you make out. In fact, in Seattle and Portland they were demanding a complete overthrow of the government and the installation of a government that hey demanded. So in at least two instances I can think of the difference doesn’t exist at all. And in Portland they actually set fire to an occupied building while calling for the overthrow of the government and tried blocking the exits (attempted murder) and all charges were dropped. So the difference only exists because of viewpoint and who was protesting.

    2. “To all who are comparing this to the BLM protests. They are not at all the same, nor even close…”

      Correct.
      BLM riots caused death a financial harm to folks like you and me.
      This one frightened congress-shits.

      1. And charges were dropped in most cases. But Molly is asking for them to throw the book at them because they said stuff she dislikes.

    3. Stating they want Congress to vote to keep Trump President (which is actually not their immediate demands, they were trying to get congress to decertify the electoral college and send it back to the states) is protected speech. The only thing they can be convicted of is any crimes that they committed. And then they can only be charged to the extant that previous people who committed similar crimes were convicted of. Charging them more because of the content of their speech or because of why they were protesting is viewpoint discrimination, and unconstitutional.

      1. Nope, their convictions will be judged based on their actions that day, not on other peoples actions on other days. And their message does not matter.

        1. “…And their message does not matter…”

          Except to TDS-afflicted shits like you.

        2. Actually, juris prudence in the US require courts to consider how they have treated and charged people for similar crimes. The fact you keep ignoring that, means you are calling for a separate standard based upon viewpoint. You are completely ignoring how the law is supposed to work. Part of the BLM protests is that they believe minorities are not treated the same as others and point to how whites have been charged in similar crimes. And they have a point. I think it is more based upon rich vs poor, not skin color but whatever the reason, offering harsher sentences than people who commit similar crimes based upon viewpoint, skin color or money is wrong and no one should support it. Period.

          1. And expressing opinions outside the accepted coastal elite spectrum in DC is also seen as declasse’, and deserving of harsher legal action.

        3. “will be judged based on their actions that day”

          You are such a fucking hypocrite. You’re talking about judging their actions, but all you keep talking about is their intentions. (Which, btw, you cannot prove or know.) BLM/Antifa actions resulted in tens of billions in damage and dozens killed. But you give them a pass. Yet, their actions caused serious damage. Their “convictions” or inventions are irrelevant.

          You are morally corrupt and you don’t make any logical sense. ENB, is that you? Or Sullum? If you’re not one of the writers here, you appear to fit right in.

        4. Oh Molly, the fact that they *copied* BLM/Antifa IS the message.

          They exploited a precedent, established over many months by crazed Biden supporters.

    4. Leaving out the breaking into the capital building, how is asking congress to vote to decertify the electoral college to keep Trump as president any more dangerous or different than the left wing protestors who protested in 2016 to have congress decertify the electoral college and elect Clinton over Trump? If it isn’t, than the difference between one riot, BLM, and these riots, is simply because of viewpoint.

      1. Clinton conceded the night of the election. And two wrongs don’t make a right.

        If the Electoral College worked like the deliberative body it was set up to be, Trump would never have been president. It exists to prevent people exactly like him from being president. I’m glad we both agree it’s broken and useless.

        1. Once again your statement amounts to you defending viewpoints you agree while calling to punish those who voted for someone you didn’t like. And you call other people fascists. You are literally calling to punish people because they like Trump as president. Because you just created a double standard. It was okay in 2016 because you don’t like Trump but it is wrong this year for his supporters to be given the same opportunity to protests because you dislike Trump.
          And no the electoral college isn’t broken. I felt Clinton was also not suited to be President. But you disagree. That is your opinion, you can’t prosecute people based upon that opinion.
          Finally, I have condemned Trump since November 3rd for not conceding, however Clinton did concede but then also voiced her support for those who protested for the electoral college to put her in rather than Trump. The difference is a simple, meaningless phone call since both supported efforts to use the electoral college and Congress to overturn the vote.

          1. No challenge to the Electoral College results occurred in 2016 let alone one supported by Hillary Clinton.

            1. Bullshit, there were protests and several Democrats even voted against certification.

        2. Gore conceded in 2000 and then spent weeks suing for recounts and also supported efforts to decertify the electoral college. Again, your disgust at Trump and his supporters efforts seems to be purely based upon the fact that you were upset that it was the wrong party doing the protests this time. I also think Biden is as unfit as Trump, if not more (I lean more towards more) and feel Harris is definitely unfit based upon her loose interpretation of individual liberty, that is my opinion. And no more or less worthy than your opinion. Your opinion isn’t supreme. If you think any opinion besides your own should be ignored or punished, you are the fascist not the people you label as fascist. As you pointed out, before they went after the Jews, the fascist first went after political opponents (which included more than just communist, but federalist and pro-republuc and pro democratic, and pro monarchist groups).

          1. Gore did not support efforts to decertify the Electoral College. You are at best mistaken in that regard.

            1. No, he had his subordinates do it for him

        3. “…If the Electoral College worked like the deliberative body it was set up to be, Trump would never have been president. It exists to prevent people exactly like him from being president. I’m glad we both agree it’s broken and useless…”

          Pulled that right out of your ass, didn’t you?

      2. Meaning drawing a difference between one riot and another riot is a fools errand and pure partisanship. Prosecute the ones who committed violence, or destroyed property. Charging any of the others is a break from precedence. Nobody except three or four who were shouting during the Kavanaugh hearings, including those protesting in the rotunda were prosecuted for trespass. The only difference is those protestors were allowed in, while these ones were blocked. In 2016, protestors were also allowed in the rotunda and the capital grounds to protest the electoral college certification vote. So again the difference is one group was legally allowed to protest on the capital grounds in the past while this group was banned. Again, anyone that destroyed property or committed violence should be charged, but only to the extent that others who have committed similar crimes have been charged.

        1. Sorry bud but there’s a line in the sand. Protest all you want. Storm Congress with the intention of overthrowing the results of the presidential election, and that makes you guilty of treason.

          This isn’t to say that you’re morally in the wrong, necessarily, but the US government has an interest in not being overthrown by a bunch of meth-addled yokels.

          I don’t know what precedent you’re referring to since this is the first time this has happened since the Civil War. The United States prevailed over the traitors then too.

          1. Protestors were allowed to protest the electoral college vote in an effort to convince congress to decertify the electoral college in 2016, inside the capital building. That is precedence. Blocking this group from having the same right this year was a break with precedence. The ones who destroyed property to get in wshould be s
            Charged with criminal destruction of property, the ones who used violence should be charged with the violence they committed. However the fact that in 3016 protestors were allowed to protest the exact same thing as the protestors on Wednesday were protesting, means you can’t prosecute them merely for what they were protesting.
            The question that needs to be asked is why these protests were denied entry in the first place, when there is a history of others being allowed access to capital grounds to protest. That is what I am asking.
            The precedence is also the ones who disrupted the Kavanaugh hearings were only charged with misdemeanor trespass. So they were allowed in the building to protest but only were charged when they disrupted the vote. And charged with a misdemeanor at that. That is also precedence. And again the two biggest distinctions is they were allowed access but this group was not and no one has yet explained what is different. And don’t give me COVID, because BLM protested in the capital rotunda despite COVID restrictions. So again, the blocking of protests appears to be based upon viewpoint. And prosecution for entering the grounds for anyone who didn’t destroy property or commit violence is based upon their opinion and viewpoint.

            1. No they weren’t, no they didn’t, stop lying, and two wrongs don’t make a right anyway.

              Just get off the damn ship dude. Your face is mashed against the iceberg.

              1. “No they weren’t, no they didn’t, stop lying, and two wrongs don’t make a right anyway.”

                So they really didn’t do it and won’t do it again?
                Your lies are tiresome, lying pile of lefty shit.

                1. Do you know how morality works at all? Did you have parents? Were you raised by farm animals?

                  Somebody doing something bad in the past does not justify an attempted overthrow of the United States government.

                  I know we’re not talking about what you want to be talking about right now, but it’s OK because the things you want to talk about aren’t real.

                  BLM protests were not spotlessly without violence. The difference is no politician, such as the president of the United States, did anything but condemn that violence. BLM never once tried to overthrow the US government.

                  Your team tried to destroy the constitution, and that’s why you don’t get to have any political power anymore.

                  1. Nobody is justifying it, least of all soldiermedic, you fucking hack.

          2. “Sorry bud but there’s a line in the sand…”

            That you drew at your chosen location; IOWs, your bullshitting once again.

          3. Aww, you’re just pissed that nobody gives a flying fuck that this happened. Those people exploited precedent and now your panties are in a twist because you thought only the left was allowed to break shit.

    5. I’m not a Republican and I’ve never been able to stand Donald Trump. But this post is a smelly load of bullshit. You’re saying that the BLM protests were fine because you agree with their politics and the capital was bad because you don’t. You’re assuming their objective when in reality they all didn’t have the same objective. It’s garbage.

      The capital protestors are going to get it worse because they hit directly at the seat of power and there was a death, and maybe that’s fair.

      But the BLM protesters did a lot more damage – in the $ billions – AND they did it mostly to poor/lower middle class people who couldn’t afford it. Lives were substantially destroyed. But you don’t care about the poor. Fuck ‘em, right? If they wanted your sympathy they should’ve had more assets.

      Your attitude is un-American in that you give zero shits about justice. Your attitude toward people who are less that you is revolting. You’re as disgusting as the worst of the people on Wednesday.

      1. The people at the US Capital tried to kill the VP and members of Congress that was their stated goal, on video, when they broke it. This is not at all about their political message.

        1. Yes, they’re awful. And most of the worst will pay.

          The BLM people burned people of marginal economic means out of their homes and businesses. Or looted them into the poor house. Pulled people out of their cars and beat the hell out of them.

          And you’re excusing that because of politics. Shame on you.

        2. I haven’t seen anyone accused of trying to kill them, but BLM and Antifa as I pointed out also tried to kill government officials by locking them in a building while they set fire to it. So this isn’t a difference, even if there was an attempt on the VPs life . Which I haven’t seen substantiated yet. However charge anyone who did attempt murder, yes. You can’t charge others (while you can but it’s wrong) if their aim wasn’t murder. So everyone broke in or just a few to commit murder?

        3. “The people at the US Capital tried to kill the VP and members of Congress that was their stated goal, on video,..”

          Thank you for your cite.
          Given you lie constantly defending one piece of lefty shit after the other and trying to justify your TDS and given that vid hasn’t shown up even on such propaganda sites as CNN, I’m calling bullshit until you deliver such vid, and it has to be believable, not some 2-second clip.

          1. Two people were killed, a police officer, and no one had yet stated his death was deliberate, and a protestors, who was deliberately charged. No one has yet been charged with attempted murder. Though it does appear that the zip tie guy could and should be charged with conspiracy to commit homicide if not attempted murder. That is one guy, but it seems to be one isolated incident. Not all the protestors. It is telling the same people who denounced anyone condemning all the BLM protestors because of the actions of a few are now condemning all the protestors and rioters based upon the action of one person. Charging everyone, rather BLM, or the Wednesday rioters, for the actions of one or two people is wrong period. There is no different standard. I condemn anyone who disagrees with that statement.

            1. Agreed. To pick an example; if the cops are able to isolate a person who beat that other cope to death (or close enough he later died), he deserves to be charged. And those breaking windows or damaging the building need to be adequately charged with those crimes.
              My disagreement with MG here is strictly limited to her claim:
              “The people at the US Capital tried to kill the VP and members of Congress that was their stated goal, on video,..”
              Again, MG is nearly as notorious as Tony for simply lying to support her/his claims, and a vid showing that has yet to show up anywhere.
              So, unless MG provides a cite, s/he is, again, full of shit.

              1. I could have been clearer as well,I meant to say almost exactly what you said. There is no evidence of wide spread attempt to commit homicide

            2. Here’s the video of Ashli Babbitt’s murder by a plainclothes Capitol cop:
              https://twitter.com/i/status/1347056697899163648

              1. I think you misunderstood what I was stating. The cop who shot Ms. Babbitt deserves to be punished. As does the person whose actions resulted in the cops death. I am disputing Molly’s statement that the protestors/rioters where intent on killing. Two people were killed, one the cop, who we still don’t know enough to know how and why he was killed or by whom , and one rioter who was killed by a cop, she was unarmed and was not presenting a danger to anyone. Unfortunately it looks like charges won’t be brought in this case either.

                1. The traitor was about to forcefully enter a protected area where Members of Congress were. It was a justified shooting.

                  1. “The traitor was about to forcefully enter a protected area where Members of Congress were…”

                    The protestor was about to enter a room occupied by members of congress; TDS-addled lefty shits think that means they can be shot.

                  2. BTW, you stinking pile of lefty shit, you’ve yet to provide any support for your lies about that vid.
                    Why should anyone believe any of your bullshit?

                  3. “Traitor.” The gall of this bitch.

                    Protester, Molly, protester. Unarmed, and shot for no legal reason. Which is Murder, in a civilized world, but instead this fucker’ll get a medal.

                    But if you want to call anyone who dissents from your fraudulent takeover of this country, a “traitor,” then OK, we can play by those rules. None of us are going to like it.

                  4. Like during the Kavanaugh hearings, did you call them traitors?

        4. You’re just pissed that nobody gives a shit about this. Seriously, NOBODY gives two fucks that this happened.

          And now you feel the need to exaggerate in a desperate attempt to convince people to care.

      2. And 30 people were killed, so the death part isn’t a difference either.

      3. Bevis, BLM really wasn’t the source of the violence. It was anarchists (mostly left, but a few righties), who burned buildings and the like. It was looters who stole. Now, that doesn’t in ANY way excuse what happened, but let’s be fair

        Similarly, there were SOME of the people on Wednesday who didn’t climb up the capitol steps, and so didn’t engage in a felony, but MANY many did, many engaged in beating on cops, many engaged in defacing the capitol.

        I have friends who were there when BLM marched, MANY BLM members tried very hard to stop the looters, stop the burning of buildings. Those who did should be prosecuted, NO question.

        That said, claiming protesting police brutality is the same as advocating the execution of the VP (which is in itself a high crime, in fact it’s advocating the violent overthrow of the government), these aren’t the same and using one to excuse the other is wrong.

        What I see in both cases is anarchic attitudes, extremist attitudes, not seeking resolution or understanding, but simply to act out angrily, violently. We have what really are very similar attitudes on the extreme left and right, the issue is the right’s presence is a much larger percentage of their supposed political party, their party leadership has been (heretofore) unwilling to condemn it, and the right’s stance is all-too-often not based in any fact, while we know the police have engaged in a pretty substantial amount of use of excess force.

    6. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, NOBODY GIVES TWO FUCKS, Molly.

      Seriously, nobody cares.

  36. Scott is right about the defective “felony” jurisprudence. But in the big picture, these dumb hillbillies–like the equally appalling communist anarchists–jointly comprising the 96% voting for the initiation of force, need something. They need to be hunted down and jailed WITH EACH OTHER.

    1. It would appear that there is some bipartisan agreement now that initiation of force is acceptable. Who started THAT precedent?

      But I’m glad at least both sides can agree on something for once.

  37. I agree with Reason here but that still leaves plenty of room for accountability. The whole thing was appalling and seriously fucked up.

    1. The accountability is that it hurt the right wing conservative movement. If the left overreaches and uses this to push through laws that punish people for being conservative or supporting Trump, they should also be held accountable. Neither actions are definsible in my opinion.
      I don’t support BLM on a lot of things they state, though I do support police reform, but I don’t think they should be punished because some people associated with them committed crimes either, nor should they be convicted of crimes harsher than others have just because I disagree with them. I say the same thing about what happened on Wednesday. I liked Trump better than Biden, but that is like saying I prefer getting a shot to having a tooth pulled, I voted for Jorgenson, and Johnson in 2016, but I didn’t support his actions over the past three months and I didn’t support Wednesday’s protests. I simply support not charging them any differently than anyone else who rioted during political protests. Or trespassed during political protests.

  38. ’bout time for some of the commetariat to grow up. The Trumpistas have shown their hand, they are not about the Constitution and rule of law, they are about getting even and evening old scores.

    Justice, in the 18th C,founding fathers, needs to be done with the Insurectionists. Charge and convict to the letter of the law, not one step futher, not one step less.

    Yes, the election was stolen, I get that, but the hard proof is not there, so give up graciously, and figure out how to win back the hearts and minds of the vast middle. Move on. Don’t forget, but move on, don’t let it happen again.

    1. “According to Merriam-Webster, “insurrection” is the “act of revolting against civil authority or an established government.” Other definitions, like that of the Cambridge Dictionary, specify the act is usually a violent one.”
      https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/insurrection-coup-sedition-meaning-trnd/index.html

      So you’re suggesting the 10 or so people who broke windows get charged?
      What happens if their defense draws comparisons to what the BLM folks did in Portland, for example?
      Trump was widely criticized (probably by CNN) for suggesting sending in troops there.

      1. Because there legally it was up to the governor to decide. And then it is the national guard, not federal troops. The only time I think they deployed was for a federal building.

        Posse comitatus act or something.

        There is plenty of room to criticize Portland but it doesn’t defend what happened here. They are unrelated.

        1. “…They are unrelated.”
          Not as regards application of the laws.

    2. And the same for the left. Don’t charge any harder than you would charge or have charged people on the left for similar crimes, e.g. criminal trespass during political protests and or rioting during political protests.

    3. They were just copying you. Every action by the right going forward will be fully and legally justified based on precedents set by scum liberals such as you.

      They are immune, because all they will do is copy whatever you bitches do first.

  39. So much for charging them with treason, sedition, terrorism, war crimes, etc.

  40. Just to set the stage…

    People all over the country are on edge regardless of their political affiliation. There have been many riots over the past year. People are sick and tired of being locked up and frankly many people are just plain grumpy and cantankerous. The corporate media has has stoked up the divisions for the past 4 years with endless badgering of Trump and Trump is an arrogant loud mouth. Democrats have been racing mad that Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election for the past 4 year.

    Any person regardless of their political affiliation that commits a violent crime should be charged and tried in a court of law.

    Any person regardless of their political affiliation that intentionally destroys property or steals property should be charged and forced to pay restitution.

    Any person regardless of their political affiliation who does not commit violence or property damage, but are associated with persons who did should be hauled in and warned about the gravity of their actions.

    Any person regardless of their political affiliation who participates in a protest that turns into a riot, but does not commit violence or property and are not with anyone who did should be left alone.

    There are plenty of bad eggs on both sides and plenty of good people on both sides. There are valid concerns on both sides, but unfortunately too few on either side want to sit down and have a conversation.

    There were a lot of people at the DC riot, however most of the crowd was peaceful. The same can be said of many of the BLM riots. I had the good sense to peacefully protest during the day following the death of George Floyd, but then go back home.

    I mourned the loss of the opportunity to change the bad laws like Civil Asset Forfeiture and Qualified Immunity with wide public support to see it squandered by the looting and violence. I have frequently driven past the very location of the George Floyd incident, so made a huge impact. I primarily blame the Left for destroying the unity and the lost opportunity. The burnt out building will take years to rebuild if they ever are.

    I have relatives that live close to DC and have traveled there many times. I have visited the Capitol Building and have spent many afternoons on the Mall. It saddened me that protestors would breach the building, commit violence and destroy property.

    I completely understand the right to protest and personally feel that a Federal Commission should be created to investigate the 2020 election and create a Lessons Learned document that is completely and fully released to the public if only for improving and instilling more confidence in our elections. Unfortunately, the Right has reduced the chances of such Federal Commission and we are already seeing the over-reaction and calls for over-reaction that will lesson our freedoms.

    Mostly I’m deeply disgusted with the Corporate Media and their egregious and overt behavior.

    The media is supposed to help keep the government in check, but the Corporate Media is simply dictating what is news. While I feel that Section 230 should remain, I do think that various Social Media platforms should be reclassified as publishers. Almost everyone I know has been suspended for literally absurd reasons, while I still see posts that are incredibly bad that remain. There is most certainly a double standard and it’s not even being hidden any more.

    1. You want a commission to tell you the lessons learned?

      I can tell you the lesson they learned. They can do whatever they want. They can shut up anyone. They can say anything they want about you. They set the narrative. If you don’t tow the party line, they can delete you. The lesson learned? It works. Big brother has nothing on these guys.

    2. “completely understand the right to protest and personally feel that a Federal Commission should be created to investigate the 2020 election and create a Lessons Learned document”

      That probably could have happened if Trump and his followers had acted reasonably but that ship has no doubt sailed. It would be politically impossible now.

      Trump destroyed the Republican Party. Best bet for them is get as far away from this as possible. He even threw his base under the bus.

      Even if you did that the true believers would never be convinced. Like russiagate it would make no difference.

      1. “That probably could have happened if Trump and his followers had acted reasonably but that ship has no doubt sailed. It would be politically impossible now.”

        ‘Baby, you know how mad I get when you do that. Why do you do that? Don’t you know I love you? I’ll never hit you again if you act right…’

        “Acted reasonably.” When you had senior Congressional leaders—Waters, Harris, AOC—excusing the rioting all of this summer, but it’s Trump supporters not acting reasonably.

        Jesus Echospinner, take a look at what you’re making excuses for.

  41. All of that on this topic, and we aren’t bringing up the nationwide strategy of leftist prosecutors to publicly state that they will not prosecute rioters? Not a mention of an entire year without any prosecutions of people for actions that involved actually murdering people in the streets? Not a mention of the fact that we don’t even call it a riot? It’s a peaceful protest? Or a mostly peaceful protest? Nope.

    We just move right on to how can we prosecute these people the right way.

    Well I suppose that’s okay. I mean, one of the favorite new things to do is to claim that it is what about ism if you mention anything that happened in the past. So I suppose the past is past.

    But I kind of thought we had set a national standard. throwing a Molotov cocktail into a federal building is not a criminal act. In fact, you are evil if you try to prevent people from doing it. I know this because I lived through the last year. So I would think that we should at least have the threshold that if less damage was caused then the trashing of the federal buildings in Portland, prosecutors should drop all charges.

    Or maybe we could go with the Atlanta threshold. You know, the one where hundreds of police vehicles are set on fire. And it’s just a peaceful protest. Nobody even gets arrested.

    That was actually an interesting article. It’s amazing how you could have so many good points and still be utterly and completely wrong on the overarching story.

    If you had been watching the national news, you would know that the national narrative is that black lives matters protesters have been met with violent oppression and despite the fact that they are entirely peaceful the full weight of the state came down on them. You would also know that the national story is that because these are white supremacists and they have white privilege, they were not opposed in any way by the police. They are not being prosecuted at all. I know this because I watched NBC and MSNBC and CNN. CNN actually had anchors cackling with Glee that there had been 50 arrests and people were being charged already. And then the exact same anchors not 15 seconds later were claiming that it is because of systemic racism that these people are not facing any consequences. Literally the exact same person told me that a bunch of people were being charged and then told me that nobody was facing consequences because everyone is white.

    You want to talk about missing the story in order to make a point? You seem to be operating under the delusion that there are people on the left that are ready to hear a rational argument. I can assure you, they are not. They are completely unhinged. They are utterly insane at the moment. Nothing they are claiming passes any sort of giggle test. And yet they proclaim it with great passion. So I’m afraid you wasted your time typing up this well thought out article. Ain’t nobody listening to that crap.

    1. Black lives matters isn’t relevant to anything going on right now.

      You’re just doing the same old evil playbook. You got caught being evil so you’re throwing up scary black people to try to distract.

      You could just try not being a cunt.

      1. Antifa burned down Target, which was declared a peaceful protest. Antifa barricaded a bunch of people in a police station (including prisoners) and attempted to burn them alive.

        These guys didn’t even set anything on fire and you’re bitching like a bitch.

        (notice how I left BLM out so you can’t throw your dipshit race card?)

        1. Ok but why is that relevant?

          1. How on earth is it suddenly acceptable to you to throw the book at these people?

            I know: anti-White bias has morphed into anarcho-tyranny. We have anarchism for Blacks and Antifa, and tyranny for right-wing, working-class Whites.

            Please try to deny it so I can laugh.

            1. No time like the present to start enforcing laws. Law and order, remember?

              You want exceptions to the law for terrorists because you agree with them, and you’re justifying your support of terrorism by making shit up about what other people believe. This isn’t how any of this works.

              1. “This isn’t how any of this works.”

                TRANSLATION: whaaaa, whaaaa, only I get to play with that toy! No sharing whaaa, whaaa! -Tony

          2. It’s relevant because of this magical concept we have in law called a “PRECEDENT.” It means that when you bitches get away with something, the Right gets to copy you! 🙂

        2. Who declared the burning of a Target a peaceful protest?

          Also Mt. Vesuvius erupted in 49 AD and Trump supporters invaded the capitol building and got four people killed during an insurrection against the American government.

          1. Death toll four BLM riots is over 40, most of them minorities killed by the mostly white progressive rioters.

            1. Attempted coups against the United States:

              Trump 1
              BLM 0

              1. Wait wait, wasn’t CHAZ a secessionist autonomous zone?

          2. “Also Mt. Vesuvius erupted in 49 AD and Trump supporters invaded the capitol building and got four people killed during an insurrection against the American government.”

            And TDS-infected shitstain adds to his amazing total of brain-addled posts.

    2. Nobody even mentions kristallnacht and the Holocaust. That was bad too.

      1. Yes, and you’re cheering on its reenactment.

  42. WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO MY DEARLY DEVOTED CULTISTS AND WORSHIPERS WHO PEACEFULLY PROTESTED AT AND IN THE CAPITOL (I LOVE TYPING IN ALL CAPS)? THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A RHETORICAL QUESTION WITH AN OBVIOUS ANSWER–ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!! THEIR BEHAVIOR WAS “BEAUTIFUL” (MUCH LIKE MY ORANGE-DYED FACE IS), AND NO LAWS WERE BROKEN. THEY WERE SIMPLY DOING WHAT I ORDERED THEM TO DO. WHY THE HELL DOESN’T THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA UNDERSTAND THIS?! MY LOVELY BOYFRIENDS BIN SALMAN, KIM AND VLAD MOST CERTAINLY DO.

    AND I’LL TELL YOU WHAT. IF I WERE ACTUALLY WEALTHY, I WOULD PAY ALL OF THE LEGAL BILLS OF THOSE WHO WERE WRONGLY ARRESTED AND OF THOSE WHO WILL EVENTUALLY BE. AND IF NOT FOR BEING ROBBED OF A SECOND TERM, I WOULD PARDON THEM ALL. AS FOR THOSE WHO DIED AND/OR WERE MURDERED….HEY, S**T (I STRONGLY BELIEVE IN CONSERVATIVE “FAMILY VALUES,” YOU KNOW, HENCE THE OMITTED LETTERS) HAPPENS. ALL OF THEM LOVED ME, AND AT LEAST THEY’RE UP IN HEAVEN NOW SMILING DOWN ON ALL OF US, KNOWING THAT THEY DIED FOR ME, THEIR LORD AND MASTER. I BLESS YOU. AND REMEMBER, FRIENDS, KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT!

    1. I’LL RESPOND TO MYSELF; I LOVE HAVING BABBLING, INCOHERENT CONVERSATIONS WITH ME. TO SUM UP, VIOLENCE IN THE DEFENSE OF LIBERTY IS NO VICE. I BLESS ALL OF MY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN WORSHIPERS HERE!

      1. YOU KNOW, THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA SAYS THAT I HAVE BLOOD ON MY “TINY HANDS.” WELL, I’VE REAL NEWS FOR THOSE MEANIES. I HAVE MY OWN FECES ON THEM FROM WIPING MY FAT, ORANGE-DYED ASS WITH THE U.S. CONSTITUTION THAT I HAVE REPEATEDLY RIPPED TO SHREDS. GOD BLESS AND THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR UNDYING SUPPORT.

  43. Trumpanzees, these feces flinging and smearing Trumpanzees from Donald to the horn hatted buffoon to the most innocuous appearing granny Trumpanzee should spend the rest of their days in isolation in some federal prison.

    “MAGA mob rioters smeared their own feces throughout the Capitol and ‘tracked brown footprints’ in several hallways during violent siege”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9126409/MAGA-mob-rioters-smeared-POO-Capitol.html

    Their sedition to extend and expand the reign of their incumbent caudillo took five lives, for which the principle of felony murder should bear on each of them. Their sedition in aid of corrupt government power, not against it, threatened both our process of transition and line of succession.

    I have much patience for any individual(s) seeking redress against government, especial those that keep their focus on government entities and respect private ones. This troop of Trumpanzees was nearer an incumbent caudillo’s government sponsored para-military rabble fighting for continued and expanded authoritarian rule.

    1. Oh man, you’re PISSED! And I love it.

      It’s funny when liberal scum get their panties in a twist when their lies, fraud, and treachery are exposed!

      Trump dragged you swamp creatures out of your liar and now you’re flailing like slimy bitches! HAHA!

      1. SAY IT, BRO! I LOVE THE WAY YOU TALK, AND YOUR GRAMMAR IS IMPECCABLE. I CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE A VERY STABLE GENIUS, ALTHOUGH NOT QUITE AT MY LEVEL YET. GOD BLESS, AND GO BREAK SOMETHING!

        1. Flag, and refresh.

          1. It’s yet one more parody account, posting under the assumption that the posts are an ‘amusing take’ on how someone views Trump. Every bit as ‘funny’ as Maher’s Bush jokes:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECI4QK_mXA

  44. Nothing, they were peaceful protesters.

    1. YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR. IN FACT, I STRONGLY URGE ALL OF MY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN CULTISTS AND WORSHIPERS LIKE YOU TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST AT THE CAPITOL (AND THE WHITE HOUSE STARTING JANUARY 20TH) AS YOU DID ON 1/6/2021 EVERY SINGLE DAY. OH, AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK HIJACKING THE LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENT. GOD BLESS!

    2. That isn’t going to happen. These are not some local cops and prosecutors. The FBI is all over this.

      Dummies even took selfies and videos of the whole thing and put it all over Facebook.

      1. Screw the FBI. It’s supposed to protect the country from foreign agents and it spends all of its time entrapping 70-IQ Muslims and White people.

        1. When it’s not investigating ‘nooses’ in a NASCAR garage, or wiretapping a Presidential campaign.

          Worthless secret police agency, and it has been since the time of Hoover. What a gigantic crap they’ve taken on their reputation since even the ’00s. If you were to remake “The X-Files” today, it would have to be as a farce.

        2. “and White people.”

          Somehow I knew that was coming.

          1. do you have a problem with White people? It sounds like you do.

      2. Don’t worry, I’m sure Republicans will setup a bail fund for them, then you can get your panties in a twist over that, too.

        “Dummies even took selfies and videos”
        I know right! They don’t seem to have much experience causing mayhem, like you fucks.

  45. It’s after 9:30AM EST.

    Has Reason yet to post an article on Big Tech, in coordination with the left and Democratic party, attempting to not just stymie free and open dialogue, but are actively trying to shut down any website or forum of which they’re unable to control?

    That’d seem as if it’d be a huge libertarian issue.

    1. Most libertarians are against governments interfering with how private businesses determine the terms of how they operate. That door swings both ways. If Facebook can’t ban people then government could also force them to print what it wants them to.

      Most websites like this are moderated. If the owner wants to they just boot you off. Most commentators here would have been banned even from some conservative leaning sites.

      First amendment does not apply here. I can’t make a newspaper publish my editorial.

      1. Most libertarians are against governments interfering with how private businesses determine the terms of how they operate.

        That makes libertarians apologists and lackeys for corporate misbehavior. A corporation is granted certain privileges in return for ensuring it does not engage in antisocial behavior. There is no absolute, unfettered right is determining the terms of operation, nor should there be.

        1. At least you honestly identify as a fascist. You get credit for that.

          1. I see no reason to hide what I am.

            We have a government that is answerable to and governed by tech corporations and Wall Street. They’ve turned this nation into an economic zone.

      2. “…in coordination with the left and Democratic party,…”

        This is operative issue, the corporatism of the Democratic Party.

      1. That article was posted prior to Twitter acquiescing to the demands of the Democratic party in banning Trump along with hundreds of conservative, while also working to prevent people from using / shut down alternatives to those platforms.

        I’m curious to see what Reason’s response will be, since their previous position was “use a different platform if you don’t like it”.

        1. It is the same argument. If they can’t ban Trump they can’t ban anybody. They gave reasons but that is not the core of the argument.

        2. Parler is still fully online. Also they only blocked a few select people, the most prominent and most risky ones. Trumpers are still free to post their traitors shit all over the place, and they are.

          1. Shitlibs are the actual traitors to the nation. I like how you see Pence rubbing elbows with Pelosi and his security detail gunning down an unarmed woman as American. They’re the opposite of that.

            1. She was shot while breaking into the hallway behind the House chamber while Members of Congress were still there. It was a justified shooting. Being armed or unarmed is not the deciding factor.

              1. “…It was a justified shooting…”

                Only to TDS-addled lefty shits.

                1. Which is why this officer will get a medal, instead of an indictment for Murder.

              2. so what? what did they objectively have to fear from her?

                Patriots think that from time to time, Congress needs to cower in fear. Ashley Babbit is a martyr.

                1. They feared she was going to hurt a Member of Congress, which was their stated goal. Same thing if you were to storm the White House, or the Pentagon, or any other secure area.

                  1. That wasn’t their stated goal, and they hadn’t hurt a member of Congress yet, had they? As a matter of fact, no member of Congress suffered any injuries, did they?

                  2. I don’t know if it was justified or not. The job of the CP is to protect the people inside however there is such a thing as excessive force. It is not up to me to decide that.

                    1. then who is it up to? I think I get to decide my own morality, thanks.

                    2. It was a fucking mob inside the US capitol. QAnoners and neo-Nazis trying to kill congressmen and the vice president.

                      They should be grateful it wasn’t more of a bloodbath, as it would have been if they had more melanin.

                  3. MollyGodiva
                    January.9.2021 at 12:04 pm
                    “They feared she was going to hurt a Member of Congress, which was their stated goal…”

                    You lying pile of lefty shit, you’ve been claiming that for two days without one bit of support.
                    Should we assume you have but a bare familiarity to those things called “facts”, or are you simply a fucking, TDS-addled lefty shit?
                    Or both?

              3. Was she a threat and why didn’t they shoot anyone else breaking in?

                1. And why did the shooting occur after they broke in rather than while people were breaking down the doors? Admit it, if she had been a left wing, minority you would be screaming bloody murder about her shooting.

                  1. Imagine they were Muslims.

                    Jesus fucking Christ.

          2. “…traitors shit…”

            Liar? Check.
            Stupid enough to misuse words? Check.
            Lefty shit with TDS? Check.
            Hints: Get through 9th grade and look up what “traitor” means

      2. Apparently my comment was “flagged for review”………?

        That article was written prior to Twitter banning Trump along with hundreds/thousands of conservatives (at the request of Democrats, no less), and both Google and Apple actively working to prevent people from being able to access alternative “unapproved” platforms.

        Reason’s stance has always been “if you don’t like Twitter, go elsewhere”. I’d be curious to see what their stance is now, since there’s a coordinated effort to not only silence Democratic opposition, but to prevent Democratic opposition from even being allowed to simply exist.

        1. And… flagged again.

          There seems to be an angry leftist (or a few) amongst us.

          1. That happens by accident some times. It doesn’t matter. Nobody reviews them.

        2. Did you try to include more than one link? That does it everytime.

          1. Oh, and the flagging on the side of our posts has nothing to do with what you’re experiencing.

            I used them as an Ignore feature. Doesn’t seem to have any other effect, and it makes these threads far more readable.

    2. Actually I think they don’t moderate this site is it helps protect them from liability for what people post.

  46. “What Should Happen to the Capitol Invaders?”

    The same thing that happened to the Leftists who invaded the Wisconsin Capital Building in 2011, perhaps?

    1. I suppose it depends on whether the acts fall under this order signed by Trump. The Capitol is a federal monument.

      https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-protecting-american-monuments-memorials-statues-combating-recent-criminal-violence/

      1. Except sympathetic prosecutors keep dropping the charges against BLM and Antifa. The people who participated in the Capitol Uprising aren’t Black or Leftists, so they don’t get any sympathy points from the System.

        1. And way too many nazis got pardoned at Nuremberg. What is your point?

          1. You don’t get to spend the entire summer doing the “deny. minimize. justify.” bit on lethal race riots then turn around and drop the hammer on working-class White people.

            Just admit your anti-White bias and we can move on.

            1. I spent my entire summer working, fishing, messing around on my drum kit, and walking my dog. I have no idea what you are talking about.

              1. It sounds like you’re also doing apologia for BLM and/or encouraging uneven application of justice. wtf is that about

          2. ‘And way too many nazis got pardoned at Nuremberg.”

            And you’re the TDS-infected shit who claimed Portland and DC were not related?
            Hypocrisy seems very ‘related’ to you.

  47. They’re heroes and patriots. Why would I support anything other than lauding them and giving them medals?

    Reason claims to speak truth to power and challenge authority, and yet here they are defending the System. Your weak criticisms of the System amount to token resistance at best and obsequiousness at worst.

    1. Oh, metal is defiantly going to be an important part of their future.

      1. Keep being smug, and you’ll get your own desserts soon enough. Cheering on the deaths of patriots while hiding behind the skirts of Mommy State isn’t going to end well.

    2. They’re treasonous seditionists who deserve the 20 year sentence the law allows. If it had been BLM invading the US Capitol, you’d be screaming for the death penalty.

      1. and you’re only screaming for 20 year sentences because it’s right-wing, working-class Whites.

        I didn’t get justice for the race riots for the summer, so you don’t get justice now. Sorry. You should have been consistent over the summer, but you wanted the “mostly peaceful” protests to further your own anti-White goals.

      2. If they were BLM invading the Capitol, they’d have done more than broken a few windows and taken some selfies. Taken a shit on Pelosi’s desk, at least.

        Though it is amusing to think what would have happened if a Capitol PD cop had blasted an unarmed BLM protester in the throat. The Capitol Building would still be on fire. And CNN would be tsk tsk’ing the rest of the violence that resulted from the mostly peaceful protest. Just like they did for the last six months plus.

        1. I am astonished at the lack of self-awareness of the talking heads. It is an amazing skill. They seem to believe it with all of their hearts. As they sat there for the last 10 months telling me that all of those burned out cars are peaceful protests and there is no violence. As they covered prosecutors making speeches saying that they will not prosecute any of the rioters.

          And yet somehow with great passion they all told me that Black lives matter was violently suppressed all year despite being entirely peaceful and this group of white supremacists was met with open arms and not resisted at all. every single station told me that there was no tear gas used, despite showing me footage of tear gas. Every single one of them told me that the police did nothing to stop them, despite having reported an unarmed woman being shot in the neck. It is truly bizarre.

          All of the same reporters and talking heads are passionately telling me that they are not facing any consequences for their white supremacist actions because they have white privilege. yet the exact same reporters and talking heads are gleefully telling me that they are all being prosecuted.

          They do not seem to see any contradiction in this information. Literally one sentence they tell me that because of white privilege they face no consequences. And literally the very next sentence they say that it is hilarious that they are all being charged.

          When I was a kid I read Aldous Huxley and George Orwell and other dystopian writers. I enjoyed it, but I thought that it was just hyperbolic imagery. Now I have met these people. These people have mastered double think. They have no problem loving big brother at all. They have always been at war with Eurasia. They have no trouble holding completely conflicting ideas in their head and believing both of them simultaneously. It is horrifying.

          1. Yes, abjectly horrifying.
            The coming times are going to be horrible beyond imagination.

  48. These are two adjacent sentences in this commentary:
    “””
    Federal prison terms should be considered for those we believe will continue to attempt to cause harm or try to foment further violence if they remain free.

    Hold people responsible for what they did, and only what they did.
    “””

    1. One has to be aware of what they did in the future, obviously.

  49. Anyone who defends this is a serious piece of shit and a traitor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjRXO72v1s&feature=youtu.be

    1. Since when have you cared about things like loyalty, fidelity, law & order?

      Spare us your concern trolling, shitlib. You spent the summer burning down cities and spitting on the police. No one is hearing your bullshit now.

      1. I argued with BLM friends that any violence was both wrong and hurt the movement as a whole (they saw some use vandalism, but did not do it themselves). None of the protests I went to had any violence or property damage, and the organizers had teams of volunteers to ensure that there was no violence or property damage.

        1. Personally I have never been to a protest or political event in my life. I wanted to go to a Jo Jorgensen event this year but they cancelled it because they couldn’t get a permit.

          1. I went to a JoJo event. She spoke well and said many things I agree with, and some that I did not. But it was literally a stump speech, there was even a stump.

            1. “I went to a JoJo event…”

              I’d think better of her if they recognized a fucking lefty shit, and tossed your ass out.

        2. that’s neat.

          The summer race riots killed something like 60 people. That’s just an estimate, of course, because the Media stopped counting and kept gaslighting us into saying they were “mostly peaceful protests.”

          The BLM events I observed were technically nonviolent but they were aggressively anti-White and fervent. They approached cult status.

          To recap, suddenly NOW you care about law & order. Now you care about uprisings and insurrections, despite the fact that your organization terrorized all of America for more than 100 days.

          Fuck off.

          1. Looks like Antifa was right though.

        3. In Rochester the BLM folks beat the shit out of a women trying to save a business. The issue was NO violence should have been allowed period. NO destruction of private property should have gone without arrests and restitution. And the media has a lot of blame on their hands. They created Trump (how much free media did he get the more outragious the more the media covered him). After the riots started the media kept a false narrative going (unarmed black americans were being killed by police systematically-the facts do not support this) and didn’t clearly report the marxist thugs getting a free pass burning and looting and in some cases killing. Trump did one thing though..he showed the bias, the corruption, and the depravity of the media/rules elites..of course it took one to know one..

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  50. So they got the furry horns guy today who turns out to be a ‘Florida man’. Who would have guessed? Also the idiot who posted selfies of himself from Pelosi’s office.

    1. Yes, very good. There have been about 60 arrests as of this writing, and I am sure there will be dozens more as they identify the rioters. Estimates are that 400-600 people entered the Capitol, so already 10% or so have been apprehended and will face justice.

      Now do Portland and the dozens of other race riots from the summer. And idiots say with a straight face that white people are getting privileged treatment. Only if white privilege means being held responsible for your actions.

  51. Trump is America’s first African President in the image of Amin or Mugabe,

    “Donald Trump – America’s African President”
    (Not to make light of government goons’ oppression and democide, past or present; but so on target.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPrJxTvgdQ

    and his Capitol invading MAGAts are his quasi government forces for retaining and expanding his power like Amin’s Kakwas or Mugabe’s War Vets. The articles mistake is viewing the MAGAts as private citizens protesting government rather than essentially government goons protecting their patron African President, Trump.

    1. “Trump is America’s first African President in the image of Amin or Mugabe,..”

      Big asshole here has been waving his TS-afliction for years.
      Fuck off and die.

    2. The reports continue to build confirming that these invaders / occupiers were essentially government goons protecting their patron African President, Trump. Many of Trump’s “War Vets” during the attack on the Capitol were police officers and even police leaders.

      “Police officers and at least one police chief from departments across the United States are facing termination, suspension or other discipline.”

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/01/09/investigating-police-rioters/

      Trump’s over coziness with police and police unions made many of we libertarians queasy from the start. Now it’s proven that we had very good cause.

    3. From two of the Capitol Police:

      The officer even described coming face to face with police officers from across the country in the mob. He said some of them flashed their badges, telling him to let them through, and trying to explain that this was all part of a movement that was supposed to help.

      “You have the nerve to be holding a blue lives matter flag, and you are out there fucking us up,” he told one group of protestors he encountered inside the Capitol. “[One guy] pulled out his badge and he said, ‘we’re doing this for you.’ Another guy had his badge. So I was like, ‘well, you gotta be kidding.’”

      He said that what upset him the most was when he later saw images of a white colleague taking a selfie with the attackers, seeming to enjoy his time with the insurrectionists who were roaming the US Capitol with confederate flags and other symbols of white supremacy.

      “That one hurt me the most because I was on the other side of the Capitol getting my ass kicked,” he said.

      “Our chief was nowhere to be found, I didn’t hear him on the radio. One of our other deputy chiefs was not there,” he said.

      https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/black-capitol-police-racism-mob?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc

      More police found among African President Trump’s Kakwas, and they led his MAGAts raid on the Capitol – maybe, from inside as well as out.

  52. Take away their right to vote since that’s what they were trying to do to us. Gun rights too because I want to be petty.

    Fines and leniency but in exchange for leniency, release one person currently serving a sentence for a similar offense or who has been oversentenced. And they have to pay all of that person’s court fees too.

    1. who is “us”? Druggies and race rioters? GTFO

      1. Those of us who didn’t take three years to get through the 6th grade, like you.

  53. The fact that the media ignored other violence doesn’t change the fact that this was a disgusting act by Trump supporters which played right into the hands of the media.
    You’ve turned the GOP into a cult, and probably have ensured permanent control of government by the Democrats.
    Thanks guys.

    Leader of the Cult
    (spoken)
    “Is she really going out with him?”

    “Well there she is, let’s ask her.

    “Betty, is that Donny’s ring you’re wearing?”

    “Uh Huh”

    “Gee it must be great Tweeting with him.
    Is he picking you for Commerce Secretary?”

    “Unh Uh”

    “By the way, where’d you meet him?”

    (sung)

    “I met him through the GOP, he turned around and smiled at me- you get the picture?”

    “Yes, we see.”

    “That’s when I fell for the Leader of the Cult”

    (motorcyle noises)

    “Democrats were always putting him down”

    “Down, down”

    “They said he acts like some sort of clown..”

    “What ya’ mean when ya’ say that he acts like some sort of clown…?”

    “They told me he was bad, but I knew he was sad…”

    “That’s why I fell for, the Leader of the Cult”

    (Motorcycle noises)

    “One day the Congress said find someone new…”

    “I had to tell my poor Donny we’re through”

    “What you mean when you say that you better go find somebody new?”

    “He stood there and asked me why, but all I could do was cry”

    “I’m sorry I hurt you, leader of the Cult”

    (Motorcycle noises)

    Apologies to the Shangri-Las

    1. >The fact that the media ignored other violence doesn’t change the fact that this was a disgusting act by Trump supporters which played right into the hands of the media

      You mean the one that has been branding them ignorant, dumb, racists for the last 10 years? Maybe they just thought the media would go as soft on them as they have for the violence, rioting and looting that has gone for the last year. Its not their fault the left is a bunch of hypocritical twats.

    2. “The fact that the media ignored other violence doesn’t change the fact that this was a disgusting act by Trump supporters which played right into the hands of the media.”

      Yep, protesting is playing into the hands of the media; a TDS-infected shit just told us so.

      1. Oh, and TS-adled shits like echoasshole loved this.

  54. The arrested another Trumpie genius now. This is the dude who stole a lectern and there is a photo of him holding it smiling and waving at the camera. Oh and a ‘Florida man’ again!

    I used to wonder how Trump got elected in the first place. Now I know.

    Charges are:

    One count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority
    One count of theft of government property
    One count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds

    1. Crime of the century, worthy of many, many news stories.

    2. “I used to wonder how Trump got elected in the first place. Now I know.”

      I wondered how Biden got elected; now I know. TDS-addled shits like you.

    3. Yes, very good. There have been about 60 arrests as of this writing, and I am sure there will be dozens more as they identify the rioters. Estimates are that 400-600 people entered the Capitol, so already 10% or so have been apprehended and will face justice.

      Now do Portland and the dozens of other race riots from the summer. And idiots say with a straight face that white people are getting privileged treatment. Only if white privilege means being held responsible for your actions.

      1. .About a thousand people were arrested during the Portland riots, but only about 100 were charged. The ones that were charged were the ones who had previous records or those who actually were involved with destroying property, committing arson or assault. The ones for whom the charges were dropped were people who were in the streets and didn’t move when cops told them to, mainly people with no police records. There were nowhere near 500-600 people in Portland who actually got past the fence around the Federal building. Lots of things were thrown at the Federal building in Portland, including incendiaries. Protestors and rioters in Portland faced tear gas, batons and immediate arrests for not moving fast enough where the cops wanted them too. That didn’t happen in the Capitol.

        We’ll see if even 60 people are actually charged here. Most of the time there are many fewer charges that stick than arrests.

  55. Funny how all the politicians and bureaucrats ran for their lives from the hells angels when they “walked” in. Not one made a stout effort, with the police and security of course, to halt the escalation or to physically defend themselves; and of course, the Prez quietly entered an armored limo to escape the hazing which he and his frat boys ordered.

  56. James Madison termed this the “tyranny of the majority” – when citizens’ demands exceed constitutional legal limits. The key is you don’t fight the “tyranny of the majority” with the same tactics, you defeat it with a “constitutional rule of law” system.

    In past conflicts government officials have used somewhat “overt-blacklisting” like McCarthyism which then devolved into “covert non-confrontational blacklisting” like Cointelpro in the mid 1950’s and repeated again after 9/11. Replacing one tyranny with another.

    In 2021, we need to start following the U.S. Constitution again, which every official swore a loyalty oath to uphold. The “tyranny” remedy, by officials, only creates more tyranny.

    1. Wise idea, but the Dems have been handed the keys to everything, they won’t be taking their foot of the gas any time soon.

  57. Two questions for all of the treasonous scum.

    How many times do you want us to kick your ass?

    Were the 1860’s and the 1940’s not enough for you?

    1. One question for the lefty idiot who has no idea what”treason” means:
      Were your brains missing before you became a lefty shit, or were they removed when you decided to turn into one?

    2. who’s “us”? your motley crew of soyboys, hipsters, and minorities?

      1. Do you talk that way about the US Armed Forces to their face?

        Of all the mass delusions you people are under, the idea that you can win this is my favorite.

        1. American colonists, VietCong, Afghanis (twice)…

          All fought superpowers. All won.

          Don’t forget, that massive military you have will be really useless when the dollar collapses! Then how many of them will be willing to kill their own people for useless pieces of paper (cotton)?

    3. Democrats started civil war 1.0…and the kkk. And segregation…

  58. Hmmmmmmm, so there are those who say that the insurgence was started by one man, John Sullivan. Even though it was trump who incited the insurgence. It was trump, all trump. But if the John Sullivan conspiracy theory is correct, then Trump voters are even more ignorant, stupid and gullible that anyone ever thought. They let one man from the far left encourage them to break the law. How stupid is that D: D: D: But from what I read from the Trump voters here, that is definitely a possibility. After all, Trump duped you all into thinking he was the greatest president ever, right? most trump voters are a bunch of conspiracy theory followers anyway. So it’s only natural that they would follow someone from the far left. It’s like the old saying. If you stand for Trump, you’ll fall for anything.

    1. Genuine question, what do you consider the worst thing that Trump has done, something bad that no other president has ever done?

      1. Attempt to destroy the United States.

        What do I win?

        1. “Attempt to destroy the United States.
          What do I win?”
          An award as a fucking lefty ignoramus; the best you could ever hope for.

      2. How about the most recent worst thing he has done. He staged an attack on the capitol. And yup. he did stage that attack Although I’ll be every last one of you will say that he didn’t do it. The list of worst thing he has done can go on and on. But we’ll just leave it there for now.

    2. HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY Y-U-G-E-L-Y DEDICATED AND LOYAL CULTISTS AND WORSHIPERS WITH THE CLAIMS THAT THEY’RE GULLIBLE CRETINS! LIKE ME, MY PEOPLE ARE VERY STABLE GENIUSES WITH Y-U-G-E-L-Y UNBELIEVABLE IQS. WHY, THEY EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CONSERVATISM, FASCISM AND LIBERTARIANISM.

      1. I get his style and hyperbole isn’t for everyone, but that doesn’t make him a bad president to the point you have to steal elections and send 70 million people people to reducation camps.

        I guess I’m asking what are Dems trying to prevent by unseating Trump?

        1. I guess I’m asking what are Dems trying to prevent by unseating Trump?
          Getting caught.

        2. They’re trying to prevent some orange fatass civilian from bringing his angry mob into the jaws of certain death as they attempt to overthrow the government of the United States. You’re welcome.

          Steal the election… Next you’re going to accuse Biden of being orange and fat.

      2. 😀 😀 😀
        This is the best response on this whole article. I just laughed my ass off.

        1. Given that you’re a TDS-addled lefty shit, that’s no surprise.

          1. Ok trump voting loser.

    3. I despised the hag, but nowhere did I consider her the cause of all the idiocy regarding Trump’s election, but assholes with raging cases of TDS seem to have ‘issues’:

      “…Even though it was trump who incited the insurgence. It was trump, all trump…”

      It was a TDS-infected asshole who posted this. It was a TDS-infected asshole, all TDS-infected asshole.

  59. I’m wondering why Paul Krugman hasn’t come out singing their praises? They took a page from his book and were merely jump-starting the economy breaking all those windows.

  60. I hope do the best in Capitol now.
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  61. The scandal is that more blood was not spilled.

    They brought bombs into the US Capitol.

    They also smeared their shit everywhere.

    For the first time in his life Trump saved lives.

    1. Capitol bombers should get Presidential Pardons and then go on to be fundraisers for partisan ‘protest’ organizations.

      It’s the Clinton way, doncha know.

      1. Sure, after they serve 16 years like Linda Evans did, President Ocasio-Cortez can think real hard on the matter.

    2. I saw the article in the (IIRC) Daily Mail about the Capitol protesters supposedly tracking feces thru the Capitol.

      The article was accompanied by several pix, none of which showed the alleged tracked or smeared feces.

      Got pix?

      1. Apparently the source for this allegation is “someone” in Chuck Schumer’s office.

        Not exactly an impartial source.

      2. I have pics of them attempting to murder the US congress and overturn the election, will that do?

        1. Pictures of people in a building are not proof of “attempted murder,” nor are they proof of “overturning an election,” whatever that means.

          I have a video of a Capitol police officer actually murdering a protestor, Ashli Bennett, would you like to see?

          https://vimeo.com/498853941

          1. I have about 360,0000 dead Americans to have sympathy for before I get to terrorists who were dumb enough to assault the US Capitol without a plan.

            Luckily for them the cops were incompetent, or a lot more of them would be stains on the floor.

  62. They behaved like Antifa, so they should be treated like Antifa.

    1. Given positions in the biden usurper administration?

    2. There have been about 60 arrests as of this writing, and I am sure there will be dozens more as they identify the rioters. Estimates are that 400-600 people entered the Capitol, so already 10% or so have been apprehended and will face justice.

      Now do Portland and the dozens of other race riots from the summer. And idiots say with a straight face that white people are getting privileged treatment. Only if white privilege means being held responsible for your actions.

      1. “Estimates are that 400-600 people entered the Capitol”

        Does that include the ones who were allowed to enter open doors and then stood in rope lines for the guided tour?

  63. Unreason wanted a civil war 2.0 and are gonna get it good and hard.

    Commies are not going to fair well when the bloodletting starts. Cops shit themselves with unarmed protesters.

    1. What happened to Trump’s second term from 21 to 25? You were so sure?

      It’s almost like you’re a backwards, inbred, white trash redneck from rural Georgia. Ya know the asshole of America that the majority of America laughs at.

      Shut the fuck up you fascist traitor.

      Trials then string up the traitors! It’s what we should of done post civil war to the backwards southerners.

    2. Georgia did not fare well in the last one LC.

      Be careful what you wish for.

  64. They should have all charges dropped, and be released. Same as the rioters in Minneapolis, Seattle and Portland. If already in jail they should be released immediately so they don’t get covid.
    Equal justice under the law.

    1. People who make war on the United States have rights, but not that many. And life isn’t one of them.

  65. It’s now 8AM EST on Sunday, January 10th.

    Reason, alleged “Libertarian” site, has remained silent while Big Tech works in conjunction with Democrats to not just silence opposition (including the current POTUS), but works to restrict access to “unapproved” sites.

    In the past, Reason has smugly told those who were concerned with the coming censorship to “create their own platform”. Will Reason decry coordinated censorship now that “create your own platform” has shown to be utter BS? Will Reason change their “argument” from “create your own platform” to “create you own server”, or will “create your own…” be Reason’s de facto get out of jail free card, no matter how ridiculous and unfeasible it is?

    I’m curious.

    1. You’re also not a libertarian.

      Why should a private business be able to exclude people from their premises that break the business’s policies?

  66. Ms. Pelosi also said she had spoken with Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, about “preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes.” . . .

    But some Defense Department officials have privately expressed anger that political leaders seemed to be trying to get the Pentagon to do the work of Congress and Cabinet secretaries, who have legal options to remove a president.

    Mr. Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief, and unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal, they cannot proactively remove the president from the chain of command. That would be a military coup, these officials said.

    Real sedition.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/424946/

    1. Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov. The Soviet Lt. Col. who prevented a nuclear war.

      A lot of us know the story. The Soviet early warning system erroneously detected a launch from the US. The order was given to launch a counter attack. Petrov suspected it was a false alarm, turned out to be a flock of birds or something. He disobeyed orders and proved the false alarm.

      He was neither rewarded nor punished for his actions which saved the world from a nuclear war.

      There is a list of such incidents. There is near zero chance of an event in the next few weeks which would justify a nuclear attack. Trump anyway, one of the things to his credit, is not a war guy.

      Last thing I am worried about and there are things I am worried about. Those are domestic.

    2. Impeachment begins Monday. The vice president supports using the 25th amendment, so there are plenty of options.

      Why do you think the vice president wants to remove the president 10 days before he’s leaving anyway? Could it have something to do with the fact that the president sent an armed mob to kill the vice president and his family?

      1. So you’ve graduated from intellectual dishonesty to outright lying now?

        1. Consider this: People who storm the US Capitol with the intention of murdering congressmen and overturning an election don’t also have the best ideas about tax and environmental policy.

  67. Nothing will happen as they say they are the patriots…

    1. And, according to you, above the law.

  68. Democratic House. Democratic Senate. Democratic President.

    Liberal-libertarian mainstream. Liberal-libertarian victory in culture war. Liberal-libertarian control of strongest educational, cultural, political institutions.

    Admission of two or three states. Enlargement of Supreme Court. Enlargement of House (with it, Electoral College). Universal health care. New voting rights statute.

    The American future.

  69. WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO MY DEARLY DEVOTED AND LOYAL CULTISTS AND WORSHIPERS WHO PEACEFULLY PROTESTED AT AND IN THE CAPITOL (I LOVE TYPING IN ALL CAPS, BUT I NO LONGER HAVE TWITTER TO DO SO)? THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A Y-U-G-E-L-Y RHETORICAL QUESTION WITH A Y-U-G-E-L-Y OBVIOUS ANSWER–ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!! THEIR BEHAVIOR WAS “BEAUTIFUL” (MUCH LIKE MY FAT ORANGE-DYED FACE IS), AND NO LAWS WERE BROKEN. THEY WERE SIMPLY DOING WHAT I ORDERED THEM TO DO, AND WHATEVER A PRESIDENT SAYS IS LEGAL. WHY THE HELL DOESN’T THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA AND THE MAJORITY WHO DIDN’T VOTE FOR ME UNDERSTAND THIS? MY SEXY BOYFRIENDS BIN SALMAN, KIM AND VLAD MOST CERTAINLY DO.

    AND I’LL TELL YOU WHAT. IF I WERE ACTUALLY WEALTHY, I WOULD PAY ALL OF THE LEGAL BILLS OF THOSE WHO WERE WRONGLY ARRESTED AND OF THOSE WHO WILL EVENTUALLY BE. HOWEVER, HOPEFULLY, I’LL STILL BE ABLE TO PARDON AT LEAST SOME OF THESE INNOCENT PATRIOTS. AS FOR THOSE WHO DIED AND/OR WERE MURDERED….HEY, S**T (I Y-U-G-E-L-Y BELIEVE IN CONSERVATIVE “FAMILY VALUES,” YOU KNOW, HENCE THE OMITTED LETTERS) HAPPENS. ALL OF THESE INNOCENT VICTIMS LOVED ME, AND AT LEAST THEY’RE UP IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW SMILING DOWN ON US, KNOWING THAT THEY DIED FOR ME, THEIR LORD AND MASTER. I BLESS YOU. AND REMEMBER, FRIENDS, KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT, AND DONATE TO MY LEGAL DEFENSE FUND!

  70. Those who ascended the Capitol steps should be charged with unlawful entry of a federal building (a federal crime), each and every one of them.

    Those who shouted that they wanted to “hang Pence” or “hang Pelosi” should be charged with advocating the violent overthrow of the US government and making terroristic threats.

    Those who defaced or desecrated the building, or stole articles from it or invaded private materials, should be charged with theft of federal property, defacing a federal building, stealing the mail and in some cases, violating the secrets act.

    In short, they should see a federal prison for a long time, longer depending upon the offense. THAT is certainly what happened to those protesters over the summer who assaulted officers or burned federal buildings. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Further, these folks, unlike BLM protesters, attempted to support the usurpation of one branch of government by the other, those who attempted to do so should be charged with sedition.

    Last, those who were party to in any way, the beating death of the CPD officer, should be charged with felony capital murder for they engaged in a felony which resulted in death.

    it’s that simple.

    Believe in a lie, be gullible enough to accept the lies GOP leaders tell you, and then act when they exhort you to “be strong” and engage in “trial by combat”, well, then you’re the willing dupe of evil and unfortunately, ignorance is no defense. You get to go straight to jail, do not pass go, and do not collect $200.

    1. Who can argue with that? Not me.

  71. Protesters that just got into the exclusion zone, they should he charged with trespassing.

    Those that made it into the Capitol Building should be charged with criminal trespass and any charges applicable to avoiding metal detection devices and search on entering.

    For those that caused damage they should be charged as above with the additional charge of damaging government property.

    For those that assaulted and fought with capitol police they should be charged with assaulting a government official and rioting.

    For those involved in the murder of that officer, they should be charged with murder.

    I hope that these charges are not controversial. Those things are crimes and criminals should be charge with their crimes.

    No one is above the law.

    1. “NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW,” YOU SAY? WELL, I’VE NEWS, “REAL NEWS,” FOR YOU. I AM, AND MY DEDICATED, LOYAL, PATRIOTIC CULTISTS AND WORSHIPERS ARE, TOO. GO “INJECT SOME BLEACH,” LOSER!

        1. I WILL “GO,” AND IT WILL BE B-I-G-L-Y! ONE OF MY Y-U-G-E OBJECTIVES IS TO RUN AGAIN AND WIN IN 2024. THAT IS, IF THE ELECTION ISN’T STOLEN FROM ME BY THE CORRUPT DEMOCRATS. LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!

  72. Dang, now that parler is permanently gone, you alt- right fuckers don’t even have a place to post your cool capitol invasion pics and videos anymore. I don’t think you all understood what I meant when I said to start your own social media sites. I really didn’t mean to use tools and hardware from left leaning corporations. You need to build your own servers, internet connections, dns servers, domain registrar’s, co-locations and such. It sucks because you’ll never be able to build them, but you’ll have to if you want to compete with the liberals. 😀 😀 So c’mon, get a move on and start working. I’m pullin for ya. Well, I’m actually pulling for you to fail, but at least I’m pullin for ya. 😀 😀 😀

  73. So let me get this straight. After years of hysterical whining about someone kneeling during the national anthem and taking down statues of Christopher Columbus, we get vandalizing and smearing shit all over the US Capitol in an attempt to overthrow the US constitution.

    Then… then… “Bake my fucking cake, Twitter.”

    1. I MISS TWEETING LIKE A LITTLE BIRDIE ON MY ONCE PRECIOUS, BELOVED TWITTER FOR HOURS EVERY SINGLE DAY. THEY CAN KISS MY FAT ORANGE-DYED ASS!

  74. I hope you win very very bigly in 2024. But watch your back. The cowards are about to impeach you, then you’ll never be able to run for president or any other office. So resign now and hopefully Pence will give you a pardon. Then I think you’ll still be able to run in 2024. Oh, and also. You might want to flee to Russia for a few years. I don’t think they will extradite you once you get there. It sounds like you and Putin are pretty tight. So he’ll take care of you till 2024. Stay safe and have a great trip!!!

    1. THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS AND ADVICE, COMRADE, AS THEY ARE Y-U-G-E-L-Y APPRECIATED. NOW, SPEAKING OF “COMRADES,” VLAD HAS ALREADY TOLD ME THAT I CAN CRASH AT HIS PAD. I BLESS YOU!

  75. I think what happened in America after these events will go down in history and will never be forgotten, I hope everything will be fine.

  76. I agree with this article for the most part.

    So we’re going to actually enforce the law now for this “mostly peaceful” protest. Versus the oh never mind approach taken before?

    Will the next BLM/ANTIFAs rioters get the book thrown at them?

  77. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. What country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

  78. “driven by unfounded conspiracy theories that the election had been stolen”

    I mean, yes, if you ignore all the evidence, then technically speaking, it’s “unfounded”…

    1. Ace, there is NO such evidence, for if there were, Trump’s lawyers would have presented it in court. They did not. When asked if they were making ANY allegation of fraud (in court, where you cannot lie), they said “NO”. So, I mean outside THAT lack of evidence, that Utter complete and total lack of evidence, where you fail to prove your allegation of criminality, which IS your burden, then yes, outside that, you had a lot of evidence.

      1. “Ace, there is NO such evidence, for if there were, Trump’s lawyers would have presented it in court.”

        It was presented to the Georgia legislature a week or 2 ago. Can reversing Trump and Biden’s totals from a certain county (down to the precise number) be “proven” in court? Probably not, especially when the Dominion machines delete their actual picture of the ballot and permanently replace it with what the adjuster changed it to. Can you PROVE (in a court of law) that those cases of ballots under the table tipped the scales to Biden? No, but it’s still obvious what happened (and it was still lawbreaking, just nothing that would move one vote anywhere).

        Incompetence doesn’t prove innocence.

        The courts can’t stand the idea that democracy in the US is a lie, and refuse to say it. It would be killing the people’s “god”. There are literally hundreds of sworn statements throughout the country of voter fraud, and no one seems to care or notice. Now, they could all be lying or idiots, but that seems increasingly unlikely. Again, even if PROVEN in a court, it needn’t move one vote anywhere, but it’s still obvious what happened.

        Now, if you are still interested in truth, I can link to LOTS of evidence.

        -An An-Cap who wouldn’t have voted for Trump with a gun to his head

  79. The same thing that would have happened had a BLM protest stormed the Capitol: a bullet in the head

  80. “Fox News pointed out that these trespassers could face long federal prison sentences thanks to Trump’s call to prosecute anybody damaging federal monuments, an executive order he put in place to go after antifa members.”

    Hypocritical Trump-lovers are trying now to differentiate people who actually went into the capital building to break windows, smash down doors, and vandalize offices from so-called anti-fa (mostly unemployed opportunists with no affiliation to anything) who graffitied confederate monuments. I’m sure they’re regretting Trump’s executive order that they cheered when those statues were defaced.

    I’ll agree that the Trump protest was “mostly peaceful” with the exception of anyone who went past those low barriers and anyone who attempted to do so. Anyone who went past those barriers was just as much a criminal trespasser as those who went past the barriers of the federal building in Portland. Anyone who sprayed chemicals at police, wrestled with them or vandalized property should have been arrested then and there. The Capitol police screwed up bigly by not having appropriate security.

  81. Prosecution for such violations of law as can be shown.

  82. Trump and Linseed ain’t gonna be bullying girls for much longer. The other upside is that all the Trumpista catamites planted here to teach us how God’s Own Prohibitionists “do libertarianism” are scratching each others’ eyes out. Just think of them staring at teevee and hearing Biden’s obnoxious veep for 4 years. Schadenfreude city!

  83. Charged with sedition, insurrection, and the felony murder of a cop and the others. That should give them some time to reconsider their next Naruto run on the Capitol

  84. Maybe all the Trumpinista crybabies can cry “FREE SPEECH???!!!!” about Ford, AT&T, and the like pulling campaign contributions from the House and Senate members who refused to certify the election, instead supporting the unproven claim that the election was “rigged/stolen” etc.. and then moving to unethically deny 81M the President their majority vote elected..

    Isn’t that a free speech violation, I mean, since campaign spending has been ruled by this absurd SCOTUS to be speech, isn’t Ford COMPELLED by Trump, the winner-in-chief , to give money to candidates they don’t support?

    What should happen to those hapless, feckless fools who wouldn’t uphold their constitutional responsibilities and instead supported sedition?

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