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Don't Give the Capitol Rioters Power Over Tech and Policing Policy

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Pundits are learning all the wrong lessons from the Capitol riot. Despite yesterday's chaos, Joe Biden has now been certified as the president-elect. The vote to certify his victory was completed this morning at 3:33 a.m. Along the way, what is normally a standard and unremarkable procedure was instead interrupted by the first breach of the U.S. Capitol since the British burned down much of Washington, D.C., during the War of 1812. By the end of it, four people were dead.

What the hell happened yesterday and how it happened will take some time to answer properly. But as tends to be the case in times of crisis, people are proving eager to cram this unprecedented experience into familiar frames and take from it evidence for their pet policy proposals.

Exhibit A: the techlash. Because the groups who broke into Congress yesterday organized through online platforms, or were motivated to organize by information on them, people with perpetual axes to grind against social media want to put the blame on Big Tech.

Once again, we see neutral communications tools taking the fall for the things people communicate through them. But had Wednesday's mob not had Facebook Messenger, or Parler, or whatever else they were allegedly using to organize, does anyone really think they would've just called the whole thing off? There are plenty of private web forums and endless options for digital chat. No apps, no problem, either: Text messages, emails, and phone calls can spread the word just fine.

Attaching magical significance and responsibilities to particular platforms may make people feel like they're Doing Something to address a confusing and distressing situation, and it may hit at entities that mainstream politicians and their tribes love to loathe anyway. But it doesn't address any root causes of the phenomenon that distress people, and it leaves American politics mired in an eternal game of whack-a-mole with communication facilitators that simply squelches the speech rights of law-abiding people while distracting from the hard work of addressing the underlying issues that drove that communication.

Techlash is only one of many destructive frames developing around yesterday's events. A lot of people are calling for President Donald Trump and other Republican lawmakers who disputed the election results and encouraged protesters to show up in D.C. to be prosecuted for incitement.

It's certainly not wrong to call out Trump's obvious role in making this happen, or the way senators like Ted Cruz (R–Texas) and Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) contributed to the conspiracy theories driving it. But we absolutely don't want to open the can of worms that is broad interpretations of criminal incitement. Or treason. Or terrorism.

By all means, prosecute specific people for specific criminal acts, like vandalism and physical attacks on Capitol cops. But we don't need to reach for the highest possible criminal charges, or prevent protesters from flying home, or prosecute literally everyone who entered the building, or aim for punishment beyond people directly responsible for bad behavior.

Another disturbing and unproductive trend has been lamentations about why more excessive force was not used.

Of course, there was some serious, even lethal, force used. One woman protesting was shot to death by police inside the Capitol. "By day's end, four people would be dead: one from gunfire and three from medical emergencies officials have yet to explain," notes The Washington Post.

To be sure, there are still a lot of unknowns about how rioters were able to break deep into the heart of Congress and remain there for quite some time without much resistance. But there are also some plausible explanations, such as that Capitol police were outnumbered, that D.C. didn't want the National Guard called in since Trump controls it, and that authorities had expected a smaller crowd and were trying to avoid an excessive and potentially escalating presence.

"Defense Department officials had previously said they anticipated around 350 members of the D.C. national guard would be enough to support Washington, D.C., police during the protests this week, mainly to assist with traffic control," reports The Wall Street Journal. "They wanted to avoid the optics of having any U.S. military personnel on the steps of the U.S. Capitol, and ordered the officers to avoid straying east of 9th Street in downtown Washington, blocks from the Capitol grounds, officials said."

It certainly can't be stressed enough how differently D.C. protesters against police brutality were treated over the summer. But however unfair the disproportionate responses are, we should never condemn de-escalation and restraint from authorities. The point is that police and those in charge should show all protesters—regardless of cause, skin color, or perceived political party alliance—the same restraint they (mostly) showed yesterday.

Which brings us to another bit of ridiculous rhetoric cropping up around the Capitol protests, riots, and break-ins yesterday: If you didn't condemn vandalism, looting, and violence at summer Black Lives Matter protests, you're a hypocrite for being aghast now.

The group of people who supported Black Lives Matter and anti-police-abuse protests generally but did not oppose violence and destruction is actually fairly small. While many opponents of the protests insisted that support for any of the protests equated to support for everything that took place during them, the vast majority of people (at protests and commenting from afar) did disapprove of, speak out about, and even try to stop those who were using the protests as an excuse to smash shit up, steal, and start chaos. So while this sort of gotcha isn't exactly aimed at strawmen, it does describe a rather small group.

But we needn't sort all that out for this line of logic to be lacking. A mass break-in to the U.S. Capitol to interrupt presidential certification on behalf of a man who did not win is quite a bit beyond a few trash can fires and spray-painted monuments, or even whatever more serious violence did break out in isolated patches at summer protests. The MAGA hordes yesterday sent the entirety of Congress and the vice president into hiding. They forced Capitol police to barricade the House chamber to stop them from storming in. They broke Capitol windows and rifled through lawmakers' offices. You have to be willfully obtuse to see that as on par with some localized acts of vandalism.


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  1. NOTICE: All the “mostly peaceful protests” jokes have been taken.

    1. Well I’m just glad to see it’s finally been settled that mass gatherings involved in damaging property and disorderly conduct constitutes a riot, not a protest.

      Not really a joke, but funny the nomenclature changed so quickly.

      1. This will change in a few weeks at the next BLM riots.

        1. Probably. And just to be clear, I’m not defending a bunch of people acting like idiots at the Capitol building, but it doesn’t take a far-right boogyman to see the hypocrisy here.

          1. Any pointing out of the hypocrisy makes you a trump cultist and traitor. Ask WK.

            1. We are all cultists now, whether through Trump or Biden… except me, of course. I’m a beacon of objectivity and neutrality.

              1. Objectivity cultist.

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          2. There’s no contradiction in saying that what these people did yesterday was pretty stupid, while laughing at the absolute farce of it all and the performative face-fanning by the left-liberal establishment.

            You have millionaire basketball players and coaches complaining that “it would have been different if it was a bunch of black people” with no self-awareness whatsoever, claiming that no tear gas was used and no one was shot when that’s exactly what happened; a bunch of Boomer right-wingers storming the Capitol and taking it over with utter ease, only to mill around for 15 minutes because they hadn’t actually expected to get that far, and then fuck off out of the place; Antifa and BLM seething in anger that they failed to do to the White House this past summer what these same Boomers did with far less people and media/corporate support; a picture of an ex-Army Ranger Congressman, Jason Crow, who worked to stop funding to pull troops out of Afghanistan earlier this year, pissing his pants in terror on the House floor at a bunch of American flag-waving hillbillies roaming around the building; Democrats who spent the last four years screeching that the Constitution was an “outdated document” that they were going to gleefully subvert and degrade once they were back in power, appealing to “ARE CONSTITOOSHUN” and “ARE DEMOCRACY”; the media completely flip the narrative on what constitutes a riot/protest, simply because the protesters weren’t fellow Democrats.

            Buckle up, guys, the ride only gets more insane from here!

            1. Shit’s gotten beyond stupid. We’re living an Orwell novel.

              1. Can we have Lewis Carroll instead?

                1. I’ll take ayn rand

                  1. I’m wondering if it’ll be Dan Abnett.

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            2. Several months ago DNC protesters protesters rioted in Washington DC and caused millions of dollars worth of damage, and nobody said fucking boo, and had loads of excuses.

              This time the damage was a couple of broken windows (one caused by staff), a candy drawer was opened, someone sat in Pelosi’s chair and several flags were hugged.

              The DNC’s riots in DC were 10,000 X worse a few months ago, but everyone is having vapors over this?

              Did you guys even watch the videos of the MAGA storm the Rotunda? They kept inside the velvet ropes and walked in an orderly fashion FFS. The security guards weren’t even watching them, except to tell them not to leave the line to take selfies.

              Fuck this gaslighting.

              1. Here is a reminder of the BLM riots a few months back.

                https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1346951451705270272

                The ones that Reason barely batted an eye at and the media defended.

                1. Great minds think alike, Jesse

              2. “Reminder that our nation’s capital looked like this at the beginning of the summer and most Democrats/media shrugged it off as mostly peaceful”

                https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1346951451705270272

                  1. And Kamala’s own words…

                    “They’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop,” she told him. “This is a movement, I’m telling you. They’re not gonna stop. And everyone beware because they’re not gonna stop. They’re not gonna stop before Election Day and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. And everyone should take note of that. They’re not gonna let up and they should not.”

            3. Well stated Red and note since teh protesters clearly never thought they would get that far had no plan of what to do when they got there.I’ve only heard they wanted investigations or recounts I haven’t heard anyone say they were there to force Trump to be president has anyone else? without that it is not insurrection or sedition or a coup its just a protest that got out of hand by the crazy participants. but notice they didn’t burn anything down.

            4. Absolutely. The die is cast.

      2. Well I’m just glad to see it’s finally been settled that mass gatherings involved in damaging property and disorderly conduct constitutes a riot, not a protest.

        I don’t think you understand. Nothing has changed. Leftists looting small businesses and burning them to the ground is mostly peaceful protest and the voice of the unheard, while right wingers barging being allowed by cops into a government building is rioting. Definitions are all about context.

        1. Silly me. I need to get a twitter or start facebooking more so that I can keep abreast of these things.

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    2. Only 93% of them have.

    3. Hello.

      Oh now these are rioters? Wow. Cleanest riot I’ve ever seen. One could say they were peaceful rioters.

      You’re so full of shit Elizabeth it’s not even funny anymore.

      And what the fuck did you do when those assholes burned, looted and killed for 100 days while DEMOCRAT leaders egged them on?

      We all know.

      You sad little woman.

      1. They did the same shit with the Tea Party. How they were terrorists assaulting politicians at town halls. The TP would leave their parks cleaner than when they arrived. Compared to occupy wall street etc they were angels. But not according to the media narrative.

        1. I doubt she gave a shit when they stormed the homes of Mayors or the Wisconsin legislature.

          She should stick to the porn beat.

          Or trying to get someone fired on Twitter.

          That’s her lane.

          1. Too lazy to look. But didn’t she defend antifa harassing rand Paul and cotton?

            1. This isn’t it but it’s another of hers in the same vein.

              “We needn’t endorse the means of desperate people to acknowledge their ends are worth fighting for”

              https://reason.com/2015/04/27/resistance-isnt-always-rational/

        2. Not littering is white privilege.

        3. Just call it Occupy the Capitol and say it’s for social justice.

    4. Remember when the police were literally evil nazis for using teargas to disperse a crowd of armed rioters trying to burn down a building with people inside?

      1. These cops used tear gas inside a building which actually can lead to death as the gas doesn’t disperse.

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    6. NOTICE: All the “mostly peaceful protests” jokes have been taken.

      Fine.

      “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for”- HRC

    7. I’m not afraid to ride it out for many more months though. Sounds like you’re just a cuck or whatever the term is these days.

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  2. Pundits are learning all the wrong lessons from the Capitol riot.

    Most likely disingenuously using the riots to push already held beliefs.

    1. It appears to have been orchestrated to boot.

      1. Is that you really saying to boot or is that your Canuckistani accent saying to bout?

        1. What are you talking aboot?

    2. Four dead? One, a middle aged white veteran unarmed woman, was shot to death by the police. You could say ‘all lives matter’ but that is a racist trope, so just ignore it or blame her for her own death.
      The other three deaths were older people who were unable to get medical help in the middle of the riot.
      Damages were probably less than $10,000 and the twenty or so police who were injured were not seriously so. The number of people entering the Capitol look on video to be less than 100, out of the 2-300,000 involved in the march.
      No burning, no looting.
      The big issue is that these demonstrators were the middle class working people who were to blame for everything that is wrong with America. Not a single journalism, modern film theory, or gender studies graduate in the bunch, so they couldn’t have any idea of true injustice.
      Just a bunch of employed plumbers, auto repairmen, truck drivers, and carpenters.

      1. Holy fuck, there were really over 200K people at that thing?

        1. I’d also like to get an estimation of the total numbers.

      2. There is another MAJOR issue involved here:
        Member of the *GOVERNMENT* felt threatened!!!!!!
        Last summer, folks like you and me were threatened and killed by violent lefty shits, and it was called ‘protesting’.
        Here, once, CONGRESS SHITS felt threatened and therefore it’s ‘insurrection’!
        BTW, were any of the rioters armed?

        1. How is this insurrection if CHAZ wasn’t?

        2. The pictures of them cowering in the aisles is borderline pornography.

      3. The Police injuries didn’t even require medical attention according to AP.

        1. That is terrible lawyering on their part. How can you get medically retired on disability if you deny medical attention?

      4. If that women had been black and carrying a gun or knife there would be more rioting for the cops to be hung and cries for her children but today silence for an unarmed woman shot by police. they are literally saying she deserved it.

        1. Not all lives matter an equal amount.
          Some lives matter than others.

          1. No lives matter. Some deaths are useful.

        2. There is no such thing as a hung cop.

      5. Just a bunch of employed plumbers, auto repairmen, truck drivers, and carpenters.

        You’re employing plumbers and carpenters and letting them into your home during this unprecedented pandemic?

  3. RESIST!
    Not my president
    IMPEACH!

  4. All hail our new overlords!

    1. Good start bro.

    2. Unless you typed this while on your knees, it doesn’t count.

      1. The lefty shit right above you would have, but he was too busy liking someone’s boots.

  5. But we absolutely don’t want to open the can of worms that is broad interpretations of criminal incitement. Or treason. Or terrorism.

    We always knew it would be the LARPers and not the looters to spur the new (not really) federal government into action against its seditious citizenry.

  6. A mass break-in to the U.S. Capitol to interrupt presidential certification on behalf of a man who did not win is quite a bit beyond a few trash can fires and spray-painted monuments, or even whatever more serious violence did break out in isolated patches at summer protests.

    I’ve decided to embrace being gaslit.

    1. Her description of hundreds of millions in damage, murders, attempted murders etc is fucking a total revealing of how much a piece of shit she is.

    2. I try really hard to give ENB the benefit of the doubt. But that’s embarrassing.

      It’s not a just memory hole … it’s a memory black hole that swallows whole galaxies of information.

      1. And there ain’t any Hawking radiation, either

      2. Why do you try to give her the benefit of the doubt? What has she written over the last year that makes you think she deserves it?

        1. ENB puts the effort in and gives us Reason Roundup. Even if my snark doesn’t convey it, I will always be grateful.

      3. Speaking of holes, I wonder what she has tattooed down there.

      4. I too try and give her the benefit of the doubt, but this line is fucked.

        The people yesterday are quite frustrated at their government, and they chose to take their frustration directly to the seat of government in order to send that message. BLAntifa took their frustration at their government to the streets of dozens of cities and burned thousands of buildings, destroying millions upon millions in property damage and upending many lives of normal people for MONTHS straight.

        How is this the same at all? And why would the focused attack over about 6 hours be considered FAR WORSE than sustained attacks nationwide on public streets for several months?

        There is no entity I hate more than journalists. They’re fucking scum.

    3. I will say to ENB’s credit, she has actually posted a more measured article than her Twitter feed had indicated she would post. She should honestly look at the quality of this post and compare it to the tenor of her tweets, and think about what that means.

      Not that her take here is without criticism. When she complains about the treatment of this summer’s riots vs yesterday’s, it is noteworthy that she is glossing over DAYS of riots.

      The first weekend of the summer riots, the police largely backed off and did nothing. Curfews didn’t come along until the following week. By then, the police precinct in MN had been burnt to the ground and millions of dollars of damage had been done.

      Meanwhile, 3 hours into this riot it was over. And ENB is talking about disproportionate response. How unfair it is that the federal government didn’t respond to 3 hours of unrest in the same way it (or states) responded to 3 months of it. Please.

      1. Days? Months.

        1. “Days? Months.”

          I mean it was days before the cities started introducing curfews and breaking up gatherings that went beyond that. And it was days- The first week after memorial day, our city was teargassing people who assembled after dark. But the weekend before, Santa Anna was looted heavily in the absence of police.

      2. The same bitches who were crying that a few Antifarts got party-vanned in Portland this summer are suddenly grateful for a robust police and federal officer presence.

    4. I hope I can chalk that comment up to her still being in shock, and I hope she dials that one back. Because that’s a pretty atrocious stance to take.

      Also, we don’t have to compare these two riots and see which one is worse. It’s a completely unnecessary thing, and we should stop and take a look at why so many instinctively do it.

  7. We will crush the rebellion with one swift stroke.

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  8. The National Association of Manufacturers!

    Once you’ve lost the industrialists?

    1. Shit interrupted their crony cocksucking party with Biden staff. Have you seen the DOW?

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  9. Here’s how Trump responded yesterday.

    I legit laughed out loud watching his tweeted call for order. I mean, holy hell.

    1. SleepyJoe would have sent in troops.

      1. I would have to check with Kamala first. She would know how to respond. We’d then empower a riot Czar to bring those dog ponies to heel.

        1. Shes busy cribbing MLK speeches to plagiarize.

  10. My how reason and the cosplay libertarians changed their tune yesterday. After 9 months if riots to fight “systemic racism” which included dozens of deaths, hundreds of assaults, thousands of business owners losing their jobs…. now violence is bad only when the right commits it.

    The true irony is every member of the GOP, yes this includes Trump, came out to denounce it while it was happening yesterday. This is the opposite of what reason and democrats did for the BLM riots who chose to either rationalize it or defend it. There are dozens of examples of democrats even encouraging more of it. BLM Chicago even marched to protect the rioters and looters from a previous March. They have insurance they cried. Protests are uncomfortable they said. Cuomo defending his statements from March against his statements yesterday was hilarious.

    On top of that the cops last night killed a young unarmed white woman. And how did Twitter and the media react? They blamed her, Trump, and called it white privilege. This after defending armed areatees getting shot by police. Including people who fired first at the cops.

    Hypocrisy was the true thing uncovered yesterday. But the ignorant see it as righteousness.

    1. And by the way… yesterday could have been mitigated with an actual fucking audit. Half the country believes the election was stolen. Instead of taking 2 months to prove it wasn’t they instead told that half to sit down and shut up. Called them insane, called them seditionists. Sullum being a glaring example.

      1. JesseAZ, I have said something similar. I believe that our Congressional Leaders should jointly announce the formation of an electoral commission (like the 9/11 one) and perform a nationwide vote audit, with the goal of publishing the final account of what happened in the 2020 election. That commission would be formed AFTER Joseph Biden takes office. A year later, we get the report. Passions will have cooled.

        What White Knight doesn’t quite grasp yet. You cannot summarily dismiss the concerns of 1/3rd of the electorate (~50MM people), treat them with total contempt, and actually think nothing will happen. They MADE themselves heard. And they will KEEP making themselves heard. Ignoring them leads to what we saw yesterday.

        In a crisis like this, you have to step back and think.

        1. XY, you need an audit trail to have an audit. And much of the evidence in this fraud has been deliberately destroyed. In Civil Trial Land, that gets you sanctioned, and your client gets a presumption against them that all of that missing evidence would have been damaging.

          Here? None of that is going to happen. The only thing an Audit Commission (or whatever it would be called) would achieve is to royally piss people off even more. It’s not like the Election is going to be voided, is it?

          Moreover, since no one—from the time of LBJ finding a keg of votes, to Gregoire counting and counting, to now—has been or will be punished for voting fraud (unless they’re a Trump supporter), why would there be any commission or investigation that could upset what has been a really profitable technique?

          1. At least going after those who destroyed evidence would have placated this somewhat. Then again, ga refused to even charge the hundreds of known double voters.

            1. Agreed. Send somebody to jail for this. Jeez.

              More of what you reward, less of what you punish. Pretty damned big rewards this time.

        2. If 1/3 of the country genuinely believed the earth was flat, should the government establish a commission to try to prove to them that it is, in fact, round?

          If 1/3 of the country genuinely believed that the moon landing was faked, should the government establish a commission to try to prove to them that it was, in fact, not faked?

          It is not possible to disprove a conspiracy theory because they are by their nature non-falsifiable. There is always a seed of doubt that can be amplified by the conspirators to continue to push the goalposts down the road to the next unsupportable, nonfalsifiable claim that they demand be ‘investigated’.

          We’ve seen this same phenomenon already. Specifically in Georgia, there were recounts, hand recounts, investigations by state authorities, failed lawsuits (often dismissed by Republican judges themselves), certifications by Republican state officials, federal courts (again with Republican judges) dismissing the lawsuits. And yet the belief in MASSIVE FRAUD persists.

          ONE MORE INVESTIGATION ISN’T GOING TO CHANGE THAT. If there were an audit, commission, one more investigation, etc., Jesse et al. will find one more nit to pick in the process and we will be right back to where we are now – an undiluted belief in MASSIVE FRAUD.

          The real solution here is to attack the actual problem – the tendency of individuals to get their news from ideological “info-tainment” bubbles that only delivers “news” to them that make them feel good, not news that genuinely informs. The real failure here is a failure in how news is delivered, not a failure in too few investigations or audits of nonfalsifiable conspiracy theories.

          1. You’re quite an idiot Jeff. Mean that in all honesty.

            There is more evidence of voter fraud based on the dozens of actual indictments, 1000s of found votes, destroyed evidence, known violations of laws such as curing ballots (which get handwaived away as an executive change, not a legislative one) etc than there is of systemic racism.

            You’re not a serious person.

            1. What makes conspiracy theories so insidious and so hard to stamp out is that there are actually kernels of truth embedded within them.

              So for instance, there were actually dead people who ‘voted’ in the last election. It is true. But the rational person will look at the evidence and say “that is regrettable, and that shouldn’t happen, but the safeguards in place couldn’t have prevented more than a few of that to occur, and so it is a problem but not an earth-shattering one and something to be looked into before the next election rolls around”. However, the conspiracy theorists will look at the evidence and say “SEE? SEE? That is just evidence that MASSIVE FRAUD is occurring and this is just the tip of the iceberg! We must dig deeper to uncover the vast conspiracy fabricating the votes of dead people!!!!!”

              It is untrue to say that there is ZERO fraud. But it is also a fallacy to try to claim that the existence of some evidence of fraud means that there is gobs more right around the corner.

          2. Shorter Jeff:
            “Nooooooooo! Don’t investigate anything!
            It’s conspiracy theories! I know I’ve said different for the last four years, but election fraud is crazy talk.”

          3. My side.

            Your side.

            Don’t look at me.

          4. the actual problem – the tendency of individuals to get their news from ideological “info-tainment” bubbles that only delivers “news” to them that make them feel good, not news that genuinely informs.

            Yes, we should all get our information from socialist indoctrinated graduates of journalism schools. Jeffy has a 5-year plan to implement the new policies.

            1. Actually, I suggest consulting a range of sources.

              But, you do you and continue to shove words into my mouth.

          5. Haha. Yeah. People are too stupid to figure out which news sources are trustworthy. You’re concern is touching.

            Damn, you’re a condescending douchebag, Jeff.

        3. “…You cannot summarily dismiss the concerns of 1/3rd of the electorate (~50MM people), treat them with total contempt, and actually think nothing will happen. They MADE themselves heard. And they will KEEP making themselves heard. Ignoring them leads to what we saw yesterday.”

          Sure they can. What is Flyover Land going to do about it? Have another sit-in? Vote Republican? Not vote at all? This 90 minute occupation of the Capitol Building was a one-time thing. My guess is you’ll see new D.C. security restrictions—for the Inauguration will be a good excuse—and they’ll just never be rescinded. Like they haven’t been for General Aviation near D.C., going on 20 years since 9/11.
          The U.S. has nearly 20 years of experience setting up Green Zones for capital districts in Third World pleasure spots like Kabul and Baghdad. Not at all unlikely that they won’t set one up for D.C.

          Those politicians were scared. From their point of view, they spent a ton of money and time to place themselves in a position where they couldn’t be frightened like that. And they will have zero scruples about restricting you and I so that they can feel like they’ll never be that scared again.

          1. This is almost certainly true.

            But what it does show is that they CAN be scared. Despite the media criticism, and the sadness of the reality that we are at a time when actively sending messages directly to government, this small incursion is a good test run. A proof of concept, if you will. A probe for the possibility this cold civil war turns hot.

      2. yesterday could have been mitigated with an actual fucking audit.

        No it wouldn’t have. If there had been an audit, you all would just continue to move the goalposts even further.

        “No no, that audit was the wrong kind of audit! I meant a REAL audit!”

        “No no, that supposedly ‘real’ audit had a Democrat in there somewhere that corrupted the whole thing! I meant a REAL audit only conducted by loyalists that I personally approve of!”

        1. LOL. This is the kind of idiocy you love to promote. You rationalize your globalist instincts and lefty’s actions based on what you believe others would do. Did you have any issue with Abrams forming a PAC to file lawsuits over claims of voter suppression dear? No? Then you’re a hypocrite.

          The fact is that for the last 2 months 90% of the calls have been for audits and for voter integrity. But you don’t care about the latter because you want to make sure the left can cheat and win.

          You’re a globalist joke Jeff. you’re not a libertarian. Libertarians don’t deny the need for election integrity.

          1. No one is “denying the need for election integrity”. That is yet one more of your strawmen.

            Your cries of “but I just want election integrity” are insincere goalpost-moving which will then just be moved down the road a little bit more when the audit/commission/investigation doesn’t turn out the way you want it to.

            You will find some nit to pick and then we will be back to square one. AS ALWAYS.

            The only thing that will satisfy you is if Democrats en masse are marched off to prison for the MASSIVE FRAUD that you are CERTAIN took place.

            But if there actually wasn’t MASSIVE FRAUD discovered by the investigations? Then the investigations themselves are rigged! The audits are incomplete! The commissions are full of Democrat operatives! Keep moving the goalposts!

            Fuck off with your shit and get back to us when you have grown up.

    2. Go to straight to hell, JesseAz. You have been kissing up to this monster, Trump, and now you are a traitor to this country.

      1. Get bent.

      2. SleepyJoe will round up all the traitors in a non authoritarian way.

      3. Lol. Hypocrite in charge has arrived. How goes it chipper? Mad when you get shown to be the lefty shit you are? You and sarcasmic still can’t denounce the BLM violence sweetie.

        You sound just like a good little SS member now. I’ve criticized Trump. I’ve criticized the violence on both sides.

        You spent nye a year saying we can’t blame BLM for violence… yet here you blame Trump who called for no violence and asked them to go home.

        How big a piece of hypocritical shit are you?

        Calling me a traitor? Lol. You are now basically Tony chipper.

      4. “now you are a traitor to this country.”

        You are hilarious White Knight. You are jumping with glee at this small riot, so that you don’t have to engage the other side ever again. Because a thousand people invaded the capital, you can dismiss 50% of the fucking population and never again have to defend your positions.

        Let’s go down that same path. Evidently, blocking legitimate federal proceedings is now “Traitorous”. Therefore, anyone trying to burn down the federal courthouse in Portland is a traitor. As are the people who supported that side.

        Why the fuck should we listen to you, traitor? You carried water for the people who repeatedly fought to stop the federal government from its critical responsibilities.

        1. You are jumping with glee at this small riot, so that you don’t have to engage the other side ever again. Because a thousand people invaded the capital, you can dismiss 50% of the fucking population and never again have to defend your positions.

          Enrage the other side until they lose their temper and then completely discredit them for reacting. Alinksy couldn’t be prouder of him.

          1. My favorite Alinsky book is Rules for Dead Mormons!

            Please tell me if you visit you fat Mormon fuck!

            1. Flag. Refresh.

              1. You deserve much worse than being ridiculed on the internet you fat Mormon fuck!

                Please tell me if you visit you stupid fat traitor!

                1. Flag. Refresh. Memory hole.

          2. They tried doing this with Kavanaugh. They threw every half-baked crazy ass theory at him and reported it as fact, then complained about his temperament when he called them on it.

        2. Ask him about the ACB or Kavanaugh protests.

      5. Perhaps a soothing knee to your neck will relax you.

      6. Go suck a dick White Knight, you fearmongering troll.

      7. ‘Traitor.’ That must make you feel good, denouncing people who hold opposing views, you totalitarian ignoramus.

      8. “…You have been kissing up to this monster, Trump, and now you are a traitor to this country.”

        TDS-infected statist shits should learn the definitions of words if they hope to be taken seriously.
        Fuck off and die.

      9. Dude WK is an ass eating retard. I kept telling you that chronic ass eating causes retardation but you didn’t listen.

      10. “now you are a traitor to this country”

        Fuck DOL, why do you always out yourself.

        1. The passive-aggressive nanny-stater type can’t bear that you are allowed to disagree with them. Instead of walking away, they will put up with endless mockery just so they can punish you when the tables are finally turned. He is Kirkland without the honesty about how much he despises people.

    3. It’s really quite simple…

      You see, police violence is a real thing, and worth protesting.

      Donald Trump having the election stolen from him via fraud is pure fantasy, and absolutely not worth protesting.

      1. You see… you rationalize violence when it agrees with your politics and denounce it when it doesn’t. Youre a hypocrite.

      2. I want you to think very carefully about the bridge you are crossing here.

        You are literally arguing that someone should not be allowed to protest unless it is for something you agree with.

        Do you not understand what a problem that is?

        1. I think he’s being facetious.

      3. At some point, you need to start thinking about why some people are happy to embrace a reason to reject democrat rule.

        1. Because they’re lunatics, fascists and people comfortable working with said fascists for whatever reason.

          1. The left is populated by antisemites and Keynesians, but somehow the supporters of a guy with Jewish kids are the fascists.

          2. People who “reject democrat rule” are “lunatics, fascists…,”? Haha. Wow.

            Obey, bitch.

      4. It makes a lot more sense to protest the Capitol for an election you think was stolen, then it does to burn down businesses and homes because the police killed someone.

        1. That’s just poppycock.

          Everyone knows rampant, random property damage is nothing. They have insurance. Maybe. And if they don’t, who cares? It’s only a few lives destroyed.

    4. Divide the continent.

      The values gap can’t be bridged anymore.

      For example, not interested in being around people like White Knight. He can stay on his side of the divide and I will stay on mine with people I want to be with.

      I do not want to share even a beer with this hypocritical, lying shit stains. They can take their shitty Hollywood, they can take the fucken NBA, they can go on Twitter and virtue signal, they can high-five each other gatherings in large crowds for social justice ignoring the ‘social distancing’ protocols, wear they stupid superstitious little masks, and they can all go fuck each other in orgy of false virtue while bowing to Caligula.

      That’s what these people are.

      1. How, Rufus? The continent looks a lot like these maps: https://www.inverse.com/article/25635-map-remakes-us-trumpland-clinton-archipelago

        They make the ethnic maps of the former Yugoslavia look like a fucking Mark Rothko painting. There’s no easy dividing line for a partition, no “velvet divorce” possible. Any attempt to split the US into two Americas is going to inevitably fracture into a gazillion sub-fights, based on race, class, maybe religion too.

        1. People would move after a division. I would. And I like my city. But fuck the city government.

        2. Then again the real solution is reduce the federal government and centralized governance. But the left will never allow that.

          1. Federalism works! but unfortunately, states and cities can’t print their own currency.

        3. Actually, division would be pretty easy. The left really owns only most big cities and some inner suburbs. The can form coalitions of tiny city-states, build walls, and negotiate trade with the surrounding expanses that actually produce food and energy–if those producers want anything the city dwellers make.

        4. I don’t know, I just spew it. You work out the details. Just make sure we have no access to deep dish.

          1. I knew you were a monster, Rufus.

            Why the hate for any of God’s wonderful, bready, tomato and cheese filled creations? Though they are casseroles more than they are pizzas.

            1. If I wanted a lasagna I would order a lasagna.

              (Actually, I would probably bake my own in a loaf pan with those no-boil lasagna noodle sheets, refrigerate it overnight, and eat it the next day)

          2. You’re one of the good ones, Rufus. Thin crust forever!

  11. Stop calling this an attempted coup.

    A little late to put that word back in the perspective barn.

    1. The face painted tattooed guy in the Water Buffalo lodge hat is a five star general. He was ready to take control as Grand Poobah of the United States as soon as the current and prospective administration was exiled.

      1. Like you wouldn’t want to follow that guy. Dude was legend.

      2. I don’t know man, he looked like a pretty reasonable guy compared to some of those clowns in Washington.

    2. Incorrect. The FOE-certified answer is: That chicken has already flown the coup.

      1. I renounced puns a long time ago.

        1. Good move. As is embracing gaslighting. It’s 2021 for gosh sakes.

  12. “To be sure, there are still a lot of unknowns about how rioters were able to break deep into the heart of Congress and remain there for quite some time without much resistance.”

    How sad that the Reason writers don’t have internet access –
    https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/06/dc-mayor-told-federal-law-enforcement-to-stand-down-day-before-violent-us-capitol-riot/

    1. Watch at policeman leads ‘rioters’ to reporters. I mean, what the hell am I actually watching here?
      https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1346911809274478594

      1. They had those skinny clubs and the protesters were just walking along unarmed, some with their hands in the air, and the guards are acting like the protesters are special ops.

        Weird.

        Even a poke in the ribs with that baton would have stopped them.

        It’s like they were acting or something.

    2. “questions about how rioters were able to break deep into the heart of Congress and remain there”

      I saw the video. By walking slowly and orderly inside the velvet ropes.

  13. I keep seeing people refer to the Trump rioters as “anarchists.”

    You hate to see the anarchist name tarnished.

    1. Hey now, none of that. Anarchists don’t do what those chucklefucks in Antifa do. We respect private property. We also think violence is counterproductive. And those idiots yesterday (assuming a whole bunch of them weren’t mostly Fed assholes, which is a good possibility) did nothing but play right into the hands of the shitbag Leftists and the Media and Corporate crony establishment. You don’t defeat the Cathedral by adopting their tactics….

      1. Ha, you know I kid. Last thing I need right now is to piss off the anarchists. (They do the best Twitter memes!)

  14. At least yesterday wasn’t all bad.

    Reason.com’s benefactor Charles Koch earned a cool $1,000,000,000.

    He’s back in the global top 20. And I predict that by the end of Biden’s first year in office he’ll be back in the top 10.

    #GetReadyForTheKochComeback
    #InDefenseOfBillionaires

    1. Yay, now we can have more open borders articles.

  15. If only they burned down the capitol building then they would have been mostly peaceful

    1. Would take more than one building.

    2. Fuck off.

      1. Fuck off yourself.

        Am I doing it right?

        1. Not sure what this guy is trying to pull culturally appropriating Sevo.

          1. White Excrement has devolved in 24 hours into Bizarro Sevo.

            1. He has been unconsciously looking for the barest excuse to act like Sevo, and a couple hundred people handed it to him.

              1. But that broken window and open candy drawer was the last straw.

                If anyone is going to burn down White Knight’s capital it’ll be the left thank you very much,
                He didn’t have a problem last may when the left actually lit the place up.
                https://twitter.com/SamanthaJoRoth/status/1267291110197657600

      2. I heard this was the time for unity.

        1. He means single thought. He will be for education camps soon. Good loyal lefty shit he is.

        2. It is, but only the right kind of unity.

        3. Legit LOL’d.

          Now someone remind Biden of that.

      3. The hypocrite is mad.

        1. The TDS-addled asshole is more assholish than normal, ’cause TRUMP!!!!!

  16. This time the protesters went after the the right people, all of congress, both sides. The good thing is the Mitch is done, the bad thing is it may may get worse.

    1. may? You are quite the optimist.

  17. The MAGA hordes yesterday sent the entirety of Congress and the Vice President into hiding.

    This isn’t some piece of shit shop owner or dumb fuck driving through the wrong part of Portland we’re talking about here. This is our betters in D.C. who are necessary to direct every aspect of our individual lives.

    1. And it was ANTIFA.

      That goof in the caribou gear is Jack Angeli.

      But Elizabeth is a faux-rational liar.

      Calling it like it is. It took me a few months but there it is.

      Deranged in her TDS to the point of stark, retarded hypocrisy she can’t even see or hide it.

      1. QAnon is Antifa now?

        1. Anybody can buy and wear a stupid shirt, it doesn’t mean much. If I go out tonight in all black, am I antifa?

      2. “That goof in the caribou gear is Jack Angeli.”

        There are plenty of interviews with that guy from before. He is absolutely NOT antifa. He is in several pictures with antifa because he was a counterprotestor. He is most definitely on the right, and trying to disavow him is not productive.

        1. Ok. I recant!

          But still, he made for great theatre.

    2. They might be our betters but they sure looked like pussies crawling on the floor.

      1. That was the most delicious moment of the whole fiasco.

  18. But we should give terrorists power over tech and policing policy when they try to burn down buildings with people inside?

    1. Only if they are crazed Biden supporters.

  19. Note to Billy Binion tweeting mean things about journalists does not equal authoritarian. Mandating the types of cars people buy, the words you can use, the places you can go, the news you can read, and the people you can see that is authoritarian.

    If you are only allowed to watch movies staring dusly moor and Liza menelli that’s arthuratarian.

    1. The Biden Administration might be Arthuritarian too: “I race cars, play tennis, and fondle women, BUT! I have weekends off, and I am my own boss.”

  20. No mention of what the other medical emergencies were. My guess is tear gas-induced asthma attacks.

    1. At least yesterday let reason be off the hook for having to mention china arresting opposition political opponents. WK is already jealous because now everyone he dislikes is a traitor.

    2. My guess is too tightly clutched pearls, leading to asphyxiation.

  21. The group of people who supported Black Lives Matter and anti-police-abuse protests generally but did not oppose violence and destruction is actually fairly small.

    Yes, the number of mayors and governors is pretty small compared to the total number of rioters and Burn Loot Murder thugs.

    1. She lies even in that statement. Dozens of democrats defended BLM. Many told supporters to get up in their faces, make dining uncomfortable. ENB is as pathetic as Cuomo was yesterday defending his words for blm.

      1. No she did not lie. The number of people who supported the violence and looting and burning *was* small compared to the number of people who supported protesting. It’s just that among Democratic politicians only, the mayors and governors, the majority did support Antifa and BLM.

        1. Fairly small is subjective, but dozens of politicians and rioters defending rioting isnt small. As an example BLM Chicago actually marched in solidarity with rioters and looters after they were arrested. This also happened in Portland and elsewhere. So hundreds of people standing behind rioters and looters through marches literally for them.

          https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/blm-protests-chicago-looters-police-a9665861.html

          So no. It wasn’t a small number. And yes, it is a lie.

  22. quite a bit beyond a few trash can fires and spray-painted monuments, or even whatever more serious violence did break out in isolated patches at summer protests

    Hundreds(possibly thousands?) of vehicles, businesses and other buildings burned and looted = a few trash can fires and spray painted monuments

    vs 3 hrs of Congress being made ‘uncomfortable’

    1. ENB is a liar and a journowhore.

    2. The monuments were spray painted after they were toppled or otherwise destroyed.

  23. Well.

    If there’s one thing we’ve learned is:

    Everyone is an asshole.

    And the U.S. government (like Canada) is so thoroughly broken and corrupt you have remedial morons defending the fact the bureaucracy rules over them.

    There’s no such thing as a legitimate vote.

    1. Can a vote to give up liberty ever be seen as legitimate?

  24. Serious question. We’re they riot riots? Or were they since they support trump we are going to paint them in the worst light riots, my wife had the news on yesterday and there was not a single shot of any violence or looting that I saw

    1. Cops killed a white woman and she was blamed. White privilege according to Twitter.

    2. From what I can gather, they broke some windows to get in and didn’t leave when the cops asked them nicely to leave shot at them. Definitely an escalation from the typical right-wing protest, but I don’t know if it actually qualifies as violent. Maybe I’ve just been desensitized by all the peaceful protesters looting and pillaging last year.

      1. But they said words!!
        Words are Violence!!
        Ergo, ipso facto, henceforth thereunto – VIOLENT RIOTS!!!

        What we need now are common sense speech controls. Fortunately, the great restrictor has been certified, and we can be sure the book of faces an the twits will be authorized to officially control the truth.
        (with a little help from the Communist Chinese Party)

        1. That’s right. I’m here to usher in a new world. And by Usher, I don’t mean that little black fella that writes rap songs. I’m sure he voted for me but that doesn’t mean he deserves a cabinet post. Dr Jill ordered some new cabinets for the kitchen. Redoing the whole thing using the PPP Hunter received for his home building business. Man I love being a senator. Even if it is uncomfortable sometimes with riot words my friends use. Time to heel the country.

  25. Give me a break! EVERY newspaper and news station labeled the Antifa/BLM riots as “mostly peaceful” for months!!!!!

    1. You don’t understand. Do not question your betters. You will learn right from wrong at the SleepyJoe re-education camp.

      1. That’s right. It is a time to heel.

        1. Haha. Ok, twice is no accident. “Heel”. Good one!

  26. So, after last night, where do the Trumpers go?
    It’s obvious the establishment GOP has long hated them and can’t see them now allowing Trump to run in 2024.

    1. It’s going to be a competition to see whether Bernie or Trump can go the longest without keeling over. Winner gets the majority of the anti-establishment voters.

      1. It’s going to be a competition to see whether Bernie or Trump can go the longest without keeling over. Winner gets the majority of the anti-establishment voters.

        Huh? Trump caugh COVID and recovered in a weekend. Biden is almost certainly going to drop before Trump or Sanders.

        1. “Biden is almost certainly going to drop before Trump or Sanders.”

          Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I’m talking about the anti-establishment voters (that wouldn’t have voted for Biden anyway). I think most of those folks, like most people in general, don’t know the difference between socialism and scrotumism (I made that up). So, they’ll glom on to whatever candidate they see has the potential to bust up the status quo.

    2. They will be the grass roots like the tea party was. They’ll flip a few seats. Get a small minority of the gop but be less of a bitch like AOCs squad is to Pelosi.

      1. They will be quickly bilked of their cash, just as the Tea Party was. And I say this with the heaviest heart. Many of the biggest Tea Party PACs spent very little on candidates, and just took donations to enrich their employees. In many ways Trump is doing the same thing. He has amassed a war chest off of donations, despite the fact that he has seen the writing on the wall for at least a month. Even his son yesterday morning was not talking about winning the presidency. His entire speech was about how the Trumps own the GOP now.

        I think it is 50/50 at this point whether or not Trump is prosecuted next year. If he is not, he remains a firebrand directing the GOP. If he is driven into legal hiding, then others will pop up and take his place.

        1. I think it is 50/50 at this point whether or not Trump is prosecuted next year.

          That would be a most welcome precedent and hopefully the beginning of a tradition.

    3. Probably trying to flip the GOP. The GOP establishment themselves are naturally jobbers, so looking from the outside it doesn’t seem like too difficult a task. There are already a couple of national-level names to look to (think of those that voted against the pork bill), and the movement is probably stronger at the state level.

      All this is assuming that we’ll even have real elections in the future, which itself is in doubt.

      1. Why do you think subsequent elections will be any less real than this one? If Team Biden manages to get a pathway to citizenship for however many illegals are currently in the country, plus does any of the open borders policies, they likely won’t have to cheat much to maintain their control of these legislative and executive institutions.

        I agree with you that it will be like betting on the Washington Generals, but the elections will be treated as “real,” by everyone who matters.

    4. Not to the Libertarian Party, to be sure.

    5. Trump will be what, 78 in 2024? He’s not running. My guess is either an LBJ-esque quiet retirement, or—if TPTB are really feeling their oats and want his supporters to say they see five lights—Trump eats a show trial for this or that state crime. Or dead of a cerebral hemorrhage in the next 12-18 months is an oldie but goody too.

      Flyover Land just got told there’s no space for them in either major Party. Many or most aren’t going to pull the lever for GOPe. Maybe they blow off voting for awhile? Maybe they try to achieve power through other means.

      1. Biden is 78 right now.

        1. An old 78. Like 90.

          1. Old and spray-tanned, with crazy hair. Oof. Might be worth it for the inevitable 2nd meltdown and insistence that everyfuckingthing he does/says is a supersecret racist dogwhistle to the hordes of several 1000 white supremacists in the nation.

        2. If Trump can get the media to cover for him taking off work at 9:30 AM, I guess he can run too. You’re right.

    6. Third party, perhaps. The Whigs broke down and the remnants formed the Republican party when the Democrats pushed through the Kansas-Nebraska Act. I could see memberships in the Constitution Party increase quite a bit in the next couple of years.

      1. Too much entrenched money in the existing political parties now, though, for a repeat of that scenario.

        1. The government itself will be utterly destroyed before either of the two big parties dissolve.

          1. “Your terms are acceptable.”

    7. We’re naturally a two-party system and they have neither the cohesion nor the wherewithal to form a viable replacement, so they will go back to being apathetic Republicans, just as they were before.

      The main lesson the GOP will (should?) take out of 2018-2020 is that catering to the hill folk while pushing the upper-middle-class to the Left is suicidal. They’ll incorporate (or attempt to) some of Trump’s messaging and ideas while trying to smooth it out so it’s not so abrasive, just like Dems have done this cycle with the harder Progressivism of their own wacko base.

  27. Hey, Reason. Did you know an unarmed woman was shot dead by a cop? Her name was Ashli Babbit. I don’t know who the cop is. I’m sure you’ll be right on this, now that you know that it happened

    1. “SAY HER NAME”

    2. And three died of ‘medical emergencies’; prolly the wu-flu.

  28. Allegedly libertarian author is more upset about people attacking the government than people torching businesses.

    Fuck you, liz.

    1. I also like the editorializimg of another example of blaming a neutral communications method. So Facebook Twitter and Google saying they are actively one sided is now neteral

  29. “A mass break-in to the U.S. Capitol to interrupt presidential certification on behalf of a man who did not win is quite a bit beyond a few trash can fires and spray-painted monuments, or even whatever more serious violence did break out in isolated patches at summer protests.”

    Billions worth of private and public property damage, looting, arson, assault, false imprisonment was a considerable amount more than a few trash can fires and spray paint. And, yes, there were more than a few people who said all that was justified or excusable in order to bring about political change and many of those political officeholders.

    Seriously, go to hell with playing down the normalization of political violence by the Left that occurred throughout the summer and fall.

  30. You have to be willfully obtuse to see that as on par with some localized acts of vandalism.

    That depends on what the “localized acts of vandalism” are, doesn’t it?

    1. That line by ENB is completely disgraceful.

      1. You mean there’s no difference between dumb punks vandalizing their town and Trump supporters storming the Capital to prevent confirmation of a presidential election?

        Good to know.

        1. Looting, arson, assault and such are more than mere vandalism. And it was in the service of a political cause.

        2. Denounce blm riots yet?

          1. what·a·bout·ism
            /ˌ(h)wədəˈboudizəm/
            nounBRITISH
            the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.

            1. So No. Even after you were caught lying yesterday when you say you don’t support or denounce anything… and were given a post from yesterday where you denounced the riots yesterday.

              Good work buddy.

            2. It’s not whataboutism to point out that months of rioting and $1000000s of damage, prolonged attacks and damage to state and national monuments, state and federal buildings is not ‘vandalizing their own town.’

            3. Here’s some whataboutism for you sarc.

              Here’s a picture of the capital burning last may which caused millions in damage.
              https://twitter.com/SamanthaJoRoth/status/1267291110197657600
              “The nation’s capital is legitimately on fire in every direction. This is unreal.”

              Explain to me why you didn’t give two shits about this, but a broken window and an open candy drawer is beyond the pale.

              1. Except I never said I didn’t give two shits about that. But thanks for arguing against something I never said.

                1. “Except I never said I didn’t give two shits about that”

                  Sure you did. Your silence was deafening.

                  You think we don’t know how you play these games fuckboy?

                  1. I don’t say anything, so you come up with some argument I didn’t make and then soundly trounce it.

                    You know that’s the textbook definition of a strawman, right?

                    1. “I don’t say anything,”

                      That’s a tactic and we see right through it.

                      Because you sure as fuck are saying shit NOW.

                    2. “You know that’s the textbook definition of a strawman, right?”

                      And no actially, it isn’t. You dumb motherfucker.

        3. By the way piece of shit… that “vandalism” is billions in damage, thousands of businesses lost, dozens of deaths, hundreds of injuries.

          God damn your a statist shit. Youre more mad budens certification was delayed 6 hours than the thousands of livelihoods and dozens of lives lost over the summer.

          You truly are a pathetic shit.

          1. I’ll be sure to let you know when your judgement matters to me. Go ahead and hold your breath.

            1. I’ll be sure to let you know when your bullshit is believable to anyone not TDS-infected.
              Go ahead and hold your breath, lying shit.

              1. You’re correct about one thing. Delusional Trump supporters like you will never come to their senses because they’re driven by emotion, and you can’t reason someone out of something they weren’t reasoned into.

                1. You’re basically an alcoholic version of Tony, who himself is alcoholic… better rejoin AA.

                2. You’re the delusional cultist here, sarc.
                  You doggedly repeat obvious gaslighting, even after seeing evidence to the contrary.

        4. The characterization of what happened over the summer as mere “vandalism” and nothing more misses the mark, to put it mildly, and I think you know that.

          1. When Trump supporters say “whatabout Portland!” they’re saying “Storming the Capital was ok because they started it!”

            1. As the saying goes “Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind”.

            2. Doesn’t change the fact that Mickey Rat is correct and ENB’s statement here is completely dishonest. Also, flip your statement from “Trump supporters” to “TDS victims” and “Portland” to “the Capitol” and you basically have what Jesse and everyone else says about you. Don’t play that game, it’s dumb.

            3. No, the GOP and Trump both denounced the violence yesterday. So did most of those you call Trump cultists here.

              What they also did was demonstrate your blatant hypocrisy over and over when you continued to refuse to denounce the riots over the summer.

              You’re a hypocrite.

        5. Maybe a better comparison would be the protests at the Michigan Statehouse. In that situation, many armed people walked in and stood around to protest. I think we’d all agree that was a legitimate protest.

          Did these ‘rioters’ actually threaten violence?
          I agree with you that something happening in the Capitol is different than what happens on main street, but in many ways you’re comparing apples to oranges.

          1. Yes, it’s much more appropriate when it happens in a capitol building.

        6. “You mean there’s no difference between dumb punks vandalizing their town and Trump supporters storming the Capital to prevent confirmation of a presidential election?”

          “prevent confirmation”? As a TDS-addled piece of shit, how would you propose they might accomplish your fantasy?

          1. Did you see LC’s comment yesterday that since only 12 votes had been counted for Trump when the session was suspended, Trump would win?
            Similar to Trump saying that Pence could declare him the winner.

            Definitely not saying that’s true. Just providing some perspective.
            But the rioters seemed to have some sort of reasoning to think what they were doing would change the outcome.

            1. Did you see LC’s comment yesterday that since only 12 votes had been counted for Trump when the session was suspended, Trump would win?

              Yeah. If we were a proper banana republic instead of an emergent one then that was the perfect time for the Junta to show up to declare a conclusion to proceedings. It’s Maduro-esque.

            2. Did you see any interviews with the protestors or the signs (before facebook and twitter starting removing them)? The majority there were asking for election audits and reform.

              1. And most of the BLM folks were looking for various police reforms and some kind of nebulous recognition of structural racism. But then someone picked up a brick and away they went.

                There’s no whatabouting this. The actions today have set whatever cause they have back tremendously by encouraging the neutral-to-sympathetic crowd to run away screaming in the other direction.

                The Democrats and the left are stronger today because of the events of the last two months, especially yesterday’s shenanigans. It isn’t anything but an enormous, self-inflicted blunder.

                1. “by encouraging the neutral-to-sympathetic crowd”

                  That doesn’t exist.

        7. “You mean there’s no difference between dumb punks vandalizing their town and Trump supporters storming the Capital to prevent confirmation of a presidential election?”

          Ooops, you slipped again Sarc. Here you are actually making a value judgement and viewing the protests on capital hill as worse than the protests in the cities. You did it yesterday too.

          I have no major beef with you, Sarc. But imma call a spade a spade. For whatever reason, you believe it is more acceptable for people to burn down police precincts, disrupt (and attempt to destroy) federal courts, and destroy private businesses in the name of racial justice than it is for some people to disrupt government proceedings in the name of election fairness.

          You can go back and read my posts- I think Jesse, Trump and these protestors are wrong. But I also think most religious people are misguided. Yet if someone is allowed to gather to protest racial justice, then they ought to be allowed to gather to worship their god. And if you are going to excuse people disrupting government activities and trespassing for racial justice, it is only consistent to forgive the same among the trumpaloos.

          1. For whatever reason, you believe it is more acceptable for people to burn down police precincts, disrupt (and attempt to destroy) federal courts, and destroy private businesses in the name of racial justice than it is for some people to disrupt government proceedings in the name of election fairness.

            I never said either is acceptable. What happened last night was Trump followers attempting to cancel a Constitutional process. That’s a big deal in that it could potentially have an effect on the entire nation, as opposed to localized destruction. I’ve never said that property destruction and violence are ok. But I’m not going to play Jesse the Inquisitor’s game and repent something I never believed.

            1. “I never said either is acceptable”

              You keep acting like this is some sort of chrckmate move.

              When you bitch about yesterday but sit silent on Antifa for months, you said plenty.

            2. My right to a speedy trial is also a constitutional process. And it is absolutely bizarre to see a libertarian like yourself claim that for some reason the administrative process of counting electors is more important than a detained person getting a fair hearing in a court house without fear of being burned alive in the building.

              Both are absolutely wrong. Both should be absolutely condemned. Full stop. We don’t need to weigh one against the other, or say “That one is different.”

              Either violence for political ends is right or wrong.

              1. Fair enough, although I’d say that speedy trials have been put on hold more because of the government’s reaction to the pandemic than protestors/rioters.

            3. What happened last night was Trump followers attempting to cancel a Constitutional process.

              Your framing here is a tell. Just saying.

          2. acceptable for people to burn down police precincts

            It’s not unacceptable.

  31. https://twitter.com/PhilipTerzian/status/1347031691962036226

    Remember the prolonged occupation of the Wisconsin #capitol in 2011? It was a #Democratic insurrection against a Republican governor and the press coverage sounded like William Wordsworth: ‘Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive/But to be young was very heaven!’

  32. Facebook lost 2.4% of its value when it became clear that the Republicans wouldn’t hold the senate. Google’s parent also lost more than the Nasdaq average when the results of the Georgia elections became clear.

    The biggest story regarding social media, yesterday, had little to do with scary protesters–and almost everything to do with the Democrats taking control of the senate.

    If it hasn’t become obvious yet, it should be now–using the government to regulate speech online is wrong no matter what, but the Republicans forcing social media to tolerate conservative views online was vastly superior to the Democrats forcing social media companies to censor the competition–from both a libertarian perspective and from the perspective of investors.

    Both the Democrats taking the senate and Biden in the White House are absolute tragedies for libertarianism–on this issue and a whole range of other issues. And everyone at Reason who spent the weeks ahead of the election focusing on unimportant anti-Trump trivialities should be ashamed of themselves.

    As libertarians, we are in deep shit because the Democrats won. Conservative protesters are right to see the media and the government as their enemies. Capitalist libertarians should see the Democrats and the government (one in the same now) as our enemy, too.

    President Trump was right to call the media the enemies of the American people, and now that the Democratic party and the U.S. government are one in the same, it’s safe to say that the U.S. government is the enemy of the Constitution.

    Those of us who love our rights and liberties and the Constitution for protecting them from the government will not be collateral damage in the Democrats’ war against conservatives. They see libertarians like us as the enemy. It’s about time we saw them the same way.

    1. For the time being, the Supreme Court is not the enemy of the American people or the Constitution; however, I expect that to change.

      The reason FDR didn’t pack the Supreme Court was because it was unnecessary. His threats were enough to intimidate the Court into ruling his way.

      We libertarians still scream about how Wickard vs. Filbrun was the worst decision since Dred Scott–for good reason. But people forget why such a terrible case was decided that way. In short, it was because the the Court was making its rulings under the threat of FDR packing the Court if they didn’t rule the way he wanted.

      That’s where we are again.

      The Supreme Court often gets it wrong without being under threat of a president packing the court with Kelo, Gonzales v. Raich, and the infamous “penaltax” decisions being notable examples. With the Court ruling under threat of being packed if they don’t play along, don’t expect any favors from the Court.

      They’re not less subject to pressure than mere mortals. There just aren’t many ways to pressure them. One way is threaten to pack the Court.

      Meanwhile, this crop of Democrats could easily pack the Court for reals. They might just do it out of spite–even if it’s unnecessary.

      1. “…the infamous “penaltax” decisions being notable…”

        That was after Obama took the unprecedented measure of calling out the SCOTUS on the Citizens United decision during the State of the Union. I would submit that Obama had the court under threat at that time and Roberts caved because of it.

      2. It is already over ken. The USSC has allowed district court judges to make a democratic presidents EO law and not allow it to be ended with an EO.

      3. Joe Manchin is now the most powerful US Senator.

        A month ago in an interview, Manchin dismissed and even ridiculed claims by conservatives and Republicans that Democrats (if they won both Georgia seats in Tuesday’s runoff election) would pack the SCOTUS, end the filibuster, add two new states, and impose AOC’s proposal to destroy the US carbon energy industry.

        I suspect that Mitch McConnell has already offered Manchin the chairmanship of any committee in exchange for him voting to keep Mitch as Majority Leader. and to begin caucusing with the GOP.

        1. I bet Manchin caves when his party’s cause is on the line like he has in the past.

          1. Me too. Maybe he gets a carve-out for West Virginians. It won’t take much.

            Let’s see what happens to the filibuster. If it goes away early in this new Administration, then we’ll know.

      4. And Reason will fall in line.

        Libertarian mOMeNt.

  33. https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1347046181357162496

    Photos of Capitol buildings in the US being overrun and under siege by lefty Dems over the last decade.

    Those things were covered as great activism, and Cons did not attack it as anti-democratic since media didn’t cover it as such. Cons whine about media but parrot

    1. Hey White Knight!

      I know you’re still lurking around here, you disgusting piece of shit.

      I want you to try to explain away the photos in the link in Ra’s post, as well as this link: https://twitter.com/SamanthaJoRoth/status/1267291110197657600

  34. https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1346989752910692363

    This is my city, DC, on fire — last May. I didn’t receive a single text message on that night. But this afternoon my inbox was flooded with concerned messages from friends & family. We supposedly don’t believe the media anymore, yet it still manages to shape our perceptions.

  35. https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1347047137335533570

    “A throng of protesters pushed past a police line, storming up steps to pound on the doors of the U.S. Supreme Court on Saturday after the Senate confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh.” – NBC, Oct 2018.

    I don’t recall Cons/GOPers flipping out about democracy being crushed by this

  36. https://twitter.com/KenWebsterII/status/1346943309802065923

    I’m so old I can remember when a mob of angry Democrats led by Wendy Davis stormed the Texas Capitol to protest abortion laws and the media loved it.

    1. This just explains the modern leftist. No individual thought. Just repeat the television narrative. It is easier.

  37. https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1347036515654901760

    These images capture the horrific scene that took place outside of the Capitol building today.

    Truly disgraceful.

    Oh wait—my mistake. These are actually from the BLM “protests” over the summer.

  38. https://twitter.com/awstar11/status/1347058305579974656

    I was equally against the Antifa/BLM riots this summer as I am against the riots in our Capitol.

    I won’t excuse either side’s behavior and those who do, only encourage more of it from both sides.

  39. The MAGA hordes yesterday sent the entirety of Congress and the Vice President into hiding. They forced Capitol police to barricade the House chamber to stop them from storming in. They broke Capitol windows and rifled through lawmakers’ offices.

    It’s about damn time!

    You have to be willfully obtuse to see that as on par with some localized acts of vandalism.

    “But it’s different when we do it!”

  40. OOH — White Knight is mad!!!!!

    They defiled his government holy place!!!!!

    1. No, he’s just concerned about the prospect of political violence being normalized in American civil society. After he spent the better part of last year doing his best to normalize political violence in American civil society.

      1. No he was defending the blm riots all summer

        1. That’s what Moonrocks said.

          1. Sorry moonrocks I misread you

            1. It happens to the best of us.

  41. https://twitter.com/PaulieAbeles/status/1347013911854329858

    “Protesters Against Kavanaugh Confirmation Occupy Senate With ‘We Believe Anita Hill’ Chants” Media had no issues with this, either.

    1. https://twitter.com/Diana24724/status/1347047999449538560

      Double standard?
      Demonstrators occupy Chuck Grassley’s office as they watch Dr. Christine Blasey Ford testify on Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct before the SCOTUS in the Hart Senate Office Building, on Sept. 27, 2018. Photo by Kevin Dietsch for
      @UPI

    2. This is not the time to bring up historical precedents.

      1. They don’t care anyway.

    3. It’s one thing to make a bleating ass of yourself during a legislative session; it’s quite another to do it at the moment where the election results are formally recognized.

      Context is important. So is perception. People are flipping out because it looks like a putsch attempt, however ham-handed, and an assertion of power by the President over Congress.

      The best solution forward at this point is for Trump himself to invoke the 25th and depart early for Mar-a-Lago. Won’t happen, but whatever.

      1. It’s one thing to make a bleating ass of yourself during a legislative session; it’s quite another to do it during a legislative section.

        wut?

        1. The symbolism is important. Which is what was said in the very next two sentences.

          1. Symbolism is the opposite of important. Symbols are a substitute and not the real thing.

            1. You’re an absolute fool if you don’t think symbols matter.

              1. Yeah symbols matter, but I don’t see why the symbolism of appointing the president is different than the symbolism of appointing a supreme court justice.

      2. Rationalization.

      3. It’s one thing to make a bleating ass of yourself during a legislative session; it’s quite another to do it at the moment where the election results are formally recognized.

        The word you are looking for is ‘appropriate’.

      4. People are flipping out because the media is nazisoviet propaganda that deliberately and collusively brainwashes the masses into psychosis

  42. This all wouldn’t have happened if people were allowed to go to Phish shows this summer.

    1. The lockdowns definitely played a roll in this.

      Add the scam and fraud of the election as the final straw and Poof!

      What did people expect?

      But it takes a special kind of low cretin to lazily just blame Trump. Four years of mediocre minds preying on low hanging fruit.

      The point is the divide was already there even before Trump. All he did was – unwittingly or otherwise – expose it. It’s all for those who aren’t so blinded to see.

      The West as a whole is not well.

      But Trump amirite.

      Things are about to get a whole lot worse with those two hoodlums now about to take the reigns.

      Think of it. They scammed their way in. One is a petty crook and the other a monstrous cackling attorney who literally was so incompetent she couldn’t run her own campaign right.

      Two LONG TIME losers are running the most powerful nation on earth now.

      How do you think this will end?

      1. How do you think this will end?

        Hopefully with a good You Enjoy Myself.

        Seriously, know idea. Most likely people will be distracted by something new, the weekend radical kids will grow up and become more conservative, the old cranky conservatives will die, a whole new crop of young radicals will rise and the world will continue chugging on.

        1. This model doesn’t hold as true as the canard posits. There is a large population of Boomers, Gen Xers who are still ignorant, irrational, and emotional versus capable of measured reasoning and not lashing out at those who hold differing views.

        2. It will end with democide and political prisoners en masse, just like it always does.
          The lucky ones will just be financially ruined and subsist as serfs.

    2. I was supposed to see Ween in Dallas four months ago. Still not seeing them until June, assuming all the lockdown shit ends. We’ll see.

      1. Hope you get there, they put on a great show. I was glad just to have gotten to see Oysterhead right before the lockdowns struck.

        1. I saw Louis CK the night before Arizona’s lockdowns.

  43. Nothing Illustrates the Madness of Our Age Quite as Well as Political Prayer Candles
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/nothing-illustrates-the-madness-of-our-age-quite-as-well-as-political-prayer-candles/

  44. https://twitter.com/mbaram/status/1347035532136747009

    In this video, one of the mob shouts through a smashed window, “You only listen to somebody if we act like BLM or Antifa!”

    Someone else chimes in: “The lesson here is that violence works”

  45. Which one of those guys was Nardz?

    1. Maybe the woman that was shot in the face and died.

      1. Shouldn’t have laughed, but I’ll admit it.

      2. The woman who climbed through a barricaded door while a cop pointed a gun at her and told her not to enter? What else was going to happen? Seriously.

        1. I’m recalibrating this statement for various police shootings that have been condemned by the media, and have been the justification of destructive riots, including the nice young gentleman who was merely a good Samaritan breaking up that fight.

          1. The job of police is to make people obey. When someone doesn’t obey the cop gets scared. Scared cops kill people. So when a cop points a gun at someone and tells them not to do something, and they do it anyway, the cop is going to kill them. That’s what they do.

            Whether or not it is justifiable is a totally different matter.

            1. So your cries for qualified immunity are over now that a white woman you despise was killed?

              She was unarmed. At that time nobody was being assaulted anywhere in the building.

              Want to know the conditions for the many riots you still refuse to denounce?

              1. Are you daft? If a cop points a gun at you and tells you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you’re gonna get shot. That’s what they do. I’m not justifying it, I’m saying it was an entirely expected reaction, and you’re a bonehead if you think otherwise.

                1. Maybe she should have taken a knee to the neck instead of eating a bullet, if she wants sarcs sympathy.

                  1. If anyone wants my sympathy they can find it in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

                    1. How does that cop cock taste?

            2. Spoken like a true brown shirt. If that is what you actually believe cops are for you are absolutly not a libritarian

        2. What else was going to happen? Seriously.

          You saw what happened to Asgaard when Hela set foot in the throne room, right? That’s what was going to happen. The brave officer saved hundreds of valkyries from an unarmed woman.

        3. Holy Shit this has caused sarcasmic to actualy start sucking cop cock.

          Like his wife did.

  46. A video is finally out showing what went down with the shooting: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ks8gtj/clearest_view_of_a_terrorist_attempting_to_breach/

    She’s climbing through the barricaded door directly into a guy pointing a gun at her telling her not to enter. 14 years of military service and you come home and get yourself killed like this, and for what? What an absolute travesty.

    1. So she was unarmed. Yet the left defends and riots over armed people being shot during arrests. Weird.

      1. Your gimmick is tired, get a new one

        1. He’s the king of whataboutism.

          1. LOL. You cry this because you can’t admit you’re a hypocrite.

          2. “Whataboutism” is sarcs only available defense when you point out his hypocrisy.

        2. Stick your head in the sand buddy. Deny you’re a hypocrite all you want.

        3. Tell us again about mostly peaceful protesters, Jeff. And explain how the dead girl was a threat.

    2. “She’s climbing through the barricaded door directly into a guy pointing a gun at her telling her not to enter.”

      Maybe that wasn’t the best idea, ya think?

      1. Becoming a cop for the fascist retarded DC political machine? Nope not the best idea

      2. A guy with a known criminal history of violence against cops violating a protection order against a women he allegedly raped walked around his vehicle and reached into his center console while a cop pointing a gun and telling him not to do it… maybe not the best idea.

        1. Maybe Vice President Harris can visit the family of the woman shot and show her solidarity with her cause.

        2. I see. More whataboutism.

          1. Is this what you will cry every time you are shown to be a lefty hypocrite?

          2. It’s not whataboutism. I’m trying to understand what the metrics are. They’re so blatantly hypocritical, that I can’t even track where the next moral outrage will come from.

            1. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

              Right or wrong, justified or unjustified, good or bad, if a cop points a gun at you and tells you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you’re gonna get shot. That’s what this woman did, and that’s what happened.

              Also, turns out she was no angel. Not that that justifies what happened, though it may explain why she defied a cop with a gun trained on her.

              https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9122477/Trump-rioter-shot-dead-storming-Capitol-rap-sheet.html

              1. “Why is this so difficult for you to understand?”

                What’s so difficult for YOU to understand? The issue isn’t that she was shot you fucking gimp.

                You keep acting like you’re rebutting people by pointing out anyone would get shot there.

          3. I see. More whataboutism.

            Fuck dude.

      3. Dear Diary, today I got to watch sarcasmic take up for a cop. Not just any cop, but a cop who shot an unarmed protester. For trespassing. Please articulate the imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury that warranted use of deadly force.

        And shot right past a DC tactical officer standing near her.

        This really is the best timeline.

        1. I didn’t say that what the cop did was justified, I said that it was foolish to expect any other outcome. Learn to read.

          1. Horseshit. You bitch up, down, and sideways whenever a cop uses force. I’ve had to read your whining about the cop investigating your burglary, and trying to pin a case on you instead, a bunch of times. And you, understandably, attributing that behavior to all police. Fine, whatever.

            Now that someone you politically disagree with gets capped by a cop who very likely ND’d into her, it’s all, whelp, “it’s foolish to expect any other outcome.”

            Garbage. Just plain lazy. Not worth my time to engage any further.

            1. You bitch up, down, and sideways whenever a cop uses force.

              That’s false. And I didn’t justify that lady being shot either. I simply said it’s a bonehead move to defy a cop who is pointing a gun at you. That’s all.

          2. If you think that there was no other possible response for an unarmed protester, then you really are ignorant, stupid or a hypocrite. There are a variety of non-lethal means available, to include just pushing her back. If she physically assaulted him, the situation would be different.

            1. Let me try this again.

              If a cop is pointing a gun at you and telling you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you’re gonna get shot.

              Right or wrong, good or bad, that’s the way it is. What the woman did was stupid. Period.

              1. Why do you keep avoiding actual issue? Do you really not understand?

                That’s comical.

    3. She’s climbing through the barricaded door directly into a guy pointing a gun at her telling her not to enter. 14 years of military service and you come home and get yourself killed like this, and for what? What an absolute travesty.

      So you’re saying the police were justified in shooting Jaco Blake?

      1. No, he’s saying “it’s exactly the response you expect”, whereas “justification” is a dry, due process question that happens after the fact.

        And we’re supposed to ignore the breathless articles in the media which called the Blake shooting “unjustified” two minutes after it happened, when not only was it “what Blake should have expected”, it turned out the shooting was also justified.

        For the record, I don’t know what the circs are around the woman who was shot by the DC cop. It may very well have been not only expected, but justified. The point is the hypocrisy in breathless condemnations from the media and blue checkmarks when a very similar event happens, and then the sudden *shrug* when the a few key narrative points change.

  47. even whatever more serious violence did break out in isolated patches at summer protests

    So that ‘whatever’ is a shroud covering the bodies of the people who were murdered in the CHAZ.

    Whatever, ENB, whatever indeed.

    1. You take a disproven book as gospel and worship a pedo con artist. No one should believe a goddamn word out of your stupid goddamn mouth.

      Mormon traitor!

      Kill ALL the Mormons! They’re a rotten goddamn blight on this country!

      I pray your family is raped and tortured! You deserve it you mormon fucking scum!

      1. Flag. Refresh. Your words are nothing.

        1. Crossed the line for me to.
          Dude is unhinged. It seems we always have at least two crazies on the board. Even though Hihn is long gone.

          1. Kar has to be the new sqrlsy sock for when sqrlsy is off his meds. It has simiar single mindedness and is a ranting lunitic.

            1. The guy appeared right after I embarrassed SQRTLY, and responds to every one of my posts in a thread attacking a religion that SQISHY had previously mocked on numerous occasions,

              But it is definitely not that sad, little mental defect, SQUNTLY, as they both have said so repeatedly. The insult-bot KillMyselfRedneck seems to think it lives in Portland, where I lived for 29 years and mentioned numerous times. That is also a complete coincidence, to be sure.

              1. I have one account. If I ever got banned or some shit(not likely. Reason doesn’t read or give two shits about comments) I have a couple of names I’d use.

                Thank goodness you moved to hillbilly Texas. There are too many goddamn mormons in Oregon. There should be 0. Someday the temple in Lake O will burn down with all you traitor mormons in it.

                Goddamn fat stupid Mormon fuck.

          2. Hihn, before he started slipping at the end, could at least present a decent argument. Kirkland/killallrednecks/ohlookmarketthugs/tony/jasoncavanaugh/martinned/loki13/bernard11/novalawyer make assertions, ad hominem attacks, but rarely provide any argument beyond biased sources and their say-so. Which is too bad, a few of them seem capable of intelligent conversation, but incapable of escaping their biases. These comment boards would be great if they hadn’t so often devolved into social media-like nonsense.

            1. As much as he and I argue, and as much of a little bitch that he can be, Tony is the only one of those you listed worth debating. At least he tries, and doesn’t repeatedly resort to boilerplate and copypasta.

            2. And Dumbfuck Hihnsano went completely off the deep end right around the time he started commenting here. I initially tried to discuss with him in good faith, but his lunatic copypastas and thread necroing rendered him as useless as the shit-muncher is now.

          3. He reminds me of the homeless guy that threatened me a few weekends ago in front of the Teriyaki joint. Just step back and be prepared to draw your concealed weapon if he gets really froggy.

        2. Poor christ like suffering fat Mormon fuck! Someone called out your treason on the internet!

          Whoa is you!

          Die you fat Mormon fuck!

          Mormons are destroying the world and must be stopped!

          I hope your fat cunt wife is raped and your traitor sons tortured!

          1. Flag. Refresh. Dark side of the moon.

            1. The comment thread looks like Swiss cheese after I’m done, but it does make things more readable.

            2. Dark side of the LDS Church is every side! Burn them all down with mormons in them

              1. Flag. Refresh. The sound of one hand clapping.

              2. This has got to be a parody

                1. This is what I call the ‘pant-shitters veto’, a device used by particularly unethical people when they don’t get the response they want from their ad hominem attacks or the hecklers’ veto. They escalate to figuratively shitting their pants in the middle of a conversation until everyone else leaves in disgust. They can claim they never lost if you refuse to hold your nose and argue with them.

                  1. It’s funny that you think you’re clever Chuck. Mormons don’t have a sense of humor.

                    You deserve to die!

                    1. Not as much as you do, hicklib.

        3. Your beliefs are nothing but bullshit

          1. Flag. Refresh. Like turds down the toilet, so are the words of the insult-bot.

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  49. I keep seeing people refer to the Trump BLM rioters as “anarchists.” “protesters” They are no such thing. They are Trumpian Marxian populists willing to tear everything apart to give complete power to an authoritarian.

    Things you’ll never see in Reason.

    1. Ain’t that the truth. They’re nothing but progressives.

      1. Uniparty globalists writing what their major patrons wish them to write, all while hoping for a much better paying gig in media.

        There’s very little progress in what they’re advocating.

        1. Reason needs to fire everyone but Volkh, Stossel, Gillespie, Rommelman and Robby, and start again.

          1. I’m not really all that impressed by anyone on that list outside of Stossel. The others have potential, but they are clearly stuck in a left-wing bubble and it shows. That said, all of those named generally have a more rational take than the rest of the writers here

  50. I seem to be the only one with the following sentiment, but I don’t care. 2020 brought out my anarchist side.

    Regardless of who perpetrated it…Antifa or Trump supporters, I don’t give a shit about the Capitol building being broken into.

    1. If they really wanted to prevent it, the cops wouldn’t have allowed protesters through the barrier.

    2. Our politicians work for us and they have forgotten it. That building is not like a private business or home owned by an individual. It is a PRIVILEGE that those people are allowed to work in that building in the first place and it is only INSTITUTIONAL TRUST AND CIVILITY that ever keeps it from being ransacked. When those values are missing, it’s the fault of the people who work there. Not the people outside trying to keep them accountable.

    3. To reiterate, I feel this way even if it is Antifa trying to break into the building. I am never going to care about the workplace of “public servants” like I care about private residences and businesses. If politicians are afraid, they have no one to blame but themselves.

    1. All that said, it was obviously a set up. The protesters were not armed and there is footage of the cops letting them through.

      1. What the fuck bro. Take your meds.

          1. Lol, poor Jeff. It’s tough to fifty-cent here.

      2. Can someone link to this video of the cops letting them through? I’ve heard this said several times know, but I haven’t seen it myself.

        1. Sorry, I hadn’t refreshed in a while.

  51. ENB and her antifa buddies are shocked they didn’t think of it first.

        1. Thank you sir.

  52. https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1346966185829683205

    Remember when Trump had to get whisked off to an underground bunker because BLM “protestors” tried to storm the White House, threw bricks and bottles at police, and set stuff on fire, including the St. John’s Church?

    1. “They did it first! So it’s okay if we do it too! I’m such a kindergartner!”

      1. The people yesterday didn’t have bricks or firebombs

      2. I don’t think what’s what this is really about. It’s not about saying that what happened yesterday was excusable, it’s merely been a useful exercise to point out the rank hypocrisy of the media and how they build narratives.

        I was pretty clear yesterday with my opinion on this whole matter, and how what it really comes down to is squandered moral capital by our betters.

        However, I’m not going to shed too any tears when people find a tender spot on the underside of our establishment media pundits and kick it repeatedly.

        1. He’s trying to excuse his hypocrisy.

        2. Listening to NPR this morning, the immediate shift in narrative to ‘riot’, ‘insurrection’, and ‘domestic terrorism’ from ‘mostly peaceful protest’ is definitive proof that the MSM is nothing other than the propaganda wing of the DNC.

          This happened in the same location that protestors attacked police and threatened a sitting senator in the street less than 6 months ago, shouting ‘Say her name!’ at the man who authored the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act, to almost no fanfare.

        3. I want to see more videos of the protests and riots. I don’t watch tv news and most news sites have been pretty shy about showing what happened. Going off of even the generous descriptions of what happened, I have no problem condemning a lot of what happened. While I can appreciate that it is more targeted and less insane than BLM protests, that doesn’t excuse the violence and destruction. Maybe my opinion changes a bit after seeing more video. Regardless, there is a ton of ignorance and gaslighting coming from the left. Most people on the right (including those who have condemned the riots from the left) have condemned the violence here. I’ve seen few examples of that specific hypocrisy

  53. After 6 months of watching protests over police violence that lead to burnt down Wendys, old ladies beat up with 2x4s, and looted Targets, we have a protest over the election that took place at the location where they were certifying the election, and the protestors managed to disrupt the thing they were protesting about.

    Everyone at Reason seems to think that the first protest that managed to be about what it was actually about for the entire length of the protest is the worst thing that has happened in the last year. They have lost their fucking minds.

    1. You paint a pretty tame picture of what actually happened in the BLM riots.

      1. I would explain why an insurection at a Wendy’s is different than Congress when they’re certifying an election, but it would be lost on your stupid fat Mormon brain.
        Especially when the president encouraged it.

        Not only are you a fat Mormon traitor, but a regular traitor too.

        GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY YOU FAT MORMON FUCK! Take your traitor kids and your fat cunt wife too.

        Or else you will be killed with your own magic underwear!

        You Trump supporters are ruining my country!

        So are you goddamn evil mormons!

        Would the world be a better place if all the mormons were dead?
        Of course it would!
        Kill every goddamn Mormon!

        1. Flag. Refresh. The vacuum of space.

          1. Dead Mormons can fill it

            1. But not your empty head Jeff.

    2. How will our government function without Wendy’s? We must protect the Wendy’s from insurrection!

      You stupid fat Mormon fuck!

      Traitor! Kill the Mormon traitors! They must be destroyed!

      Please tell me if you visit Oregon! Now I know you’re not only stupid but fat and slow too!

      1. Flag. Refresh. Your nothingburger insults are nothing. And you are nobody.

        1. Poor christ like suffering fat Mormon fuck! Someone called out your treason on the internet!

          Whoa is you!

          Die you fat Mormon fuck!

          1. Flag. Refresh. Not even an echo remains.

          2. Anyone else picturing bill dotreive from king of the hill when they see a Kar post

            1. I’m more attractive than fat Mormon fuck Chuck and his fat cunt Mormon wife.

              He is a traitor!

            2. Lol.

      2. If you punish a business owner for his business being the site of a police shooting, then that is a damage to our society.

  54. Many/most of the people shown on video breaking windows,
    pushing through doors, repelling up/down walls with ropes and rushing into the Capitol (before dozens/hundreds of Trump supporters followed them into the building) were dressed like (and acted like) the Antifa rioters who took over Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis and other cities during this summer.

    But of course, the left wing news media immediately blamed Trump for causing the riot (without asking any questions or doing any fact checking).

    And of course, Twitter and Facebook haven’t censored or posted warnings on any of these so-called news stories claiming there is no evidence that Trump caused any of the rioters to break into the Capitol.

    Objective journalism is dead, and ENB and Reason have helped kill it.

    1. ENB never criticized the rioting, violence, vandalism and mass thefts by BLM and Antifa all summer that destroyed dozens of US cities.

  55. I agree with Robert Barnes… as long as it’s peaceful (and compared to BLM protests, this looked considerably more peaceful) the occupation of Congress (which IS “The People’s House”) is not something that should particularly concerning.

    1. If the politicians in there had been in any real danger, the protesters would never have been allowed through.

    2. I suppose even Congress can’t trust the police to protect them.
      They should push harder to carry at all times if this was such an existential threat/coup attempt.

  56. The group of people who supported Black Lives Matter and anti-police-abuse protests generally but did not oppose violence and destruction is actually fairly small.

    This is an incorrect statement if your antenna is properly calibrated.

    When huge swathes of the establishment media repeatedly called violent protests peaceful– that has to be counted as “not opposing violence”. Sure, it’s possible you could argue that the number of people who recognized that the protests were in fact mostly violent– and then explicitly supported that violent activity may be fairly small. But when practically every news organization stood in front of burning cities and said, “nothing to see here, everything is peaceful”, that is TACIT support of the violence.

  57. All those excuses about thsi summer’s BLM protests: That’s just a kindergarten child’s way of saying “But they did it too! Wah!”

    Reason condemned the violent protesters in the summer. And they condemning the violent protestors now. Libertarians condemned the violent protesters in the summer. And they condemning the violent protestors now. There is no hypocrisy here. It’s just you fucktards that think since the radical fringe of the Left did it, then it’s okay for the radical fringe of the Right to do it. That’s childish schoolboy nonsense that your momma would smack you for saying. And that’s your problem right there, your momma never smacked you enough as a kid, so you grew up being a whiny snowflake unable to cope with an election loss. Maybe a plastic participation trophy will cheer you up.

    1. You conflate to cover up the weakness in your arguments. These guys protested the election by disrupting the certification of the election. The left protests police violence by blocking freeways and holding businesses hostage.

      Which side is honestly protesting about their concerns, even if they are misguided, in an appropriate time and place and which side is a bunch of immature assholes screaming ‘why won’t you listen to me?!’ in the middle of a street 1000s of miles away from the problem at a populace who generally agree with them?

      This is not whataboutism. It is about the appropriateness of this protest.

      1. Hey Chuck were you raised LDS or did you convert later in your fat pathetic life?

        At least people raised Mormon have the excuse of being brainwashed from birth.

        Anyone over 5 who joins the LDS Church is severely mentally challenged.

        Your religion is not only ridiculously stupid but DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY.
        That’s why you and all the mormons need to go! You refuse to stop.

        You sent your fat fucking kids to bother, lie and trick people on missions.

        I hope your fat cunt wife is raped you stupid fat Mormon!

        1. Flag. Refresh. Moving on…

          1. You mean moving over dead mormon bodies?

    2. No, Nancy rommelman condemned the blm riots. There were plenty of writers at reason (ENB Binion) that supported the rioting

      1. Even Rommelmann didn’t specifically condemn the riots. She just explained them honestly so that people could see they were worthy of nothing but condemnation.

        1. Of course the stupid fat Mormon is to the right of far right cunt rommelman!

          Mormons are fascist traitors!

          Make the world a better place!
          Kill every goddamn Mormon on earth!

          Evil fucking scumbags!

        2. It’s kind of sweet how this fucktard follows you around, like a brain damaged puppy. One wonders if ECT at high amperage would help?

          1. Chuck made a friend, or at least a stalker, that’s halfway to a friend. On a side note how much rent does Kar charge for the space in his head you occupy?

    3. When political violence becomes normalized, then it is the new normal.

      Dismissing the incredible amount of damage done last summer as mere “vandalism” is excusing it.

    4. “Reason condemned the violent protesters in the summer. ”

      Reason isn’t a monolith and cite?

  58. first breach of the U.S. Capitol since the British burned down much of Washington, D.C., during the War of 1812.

    Uh-huh.

    September 20, 2018.
    September 24, 2018.
    October 6, 2018.

    Protesters invading the Capitol in order to intimidate members of Congress is the next thing to routine, sweetie. If it wasn’t a big deal then, it wasn’t a big deal yesterday.

    1. Puerto Rican Nationalists shot four Congressman in the gallery in ’57. Carter commuted their sentences.

      Politics aside, this is just terrible journalism. 30s worth of Googling will show you more than a dozen times that the Capitol has been violently occupied since 1812.

      1. Don’t let facts distract you from the truth!

        I suspect a lot of these people are glomming onto this “riot” as a dodge for their own contributions to making this our new reality.

        Over Biden’s first 100 days, as we’re subjected to court packing, states added, Medicare for All, an assault on our gun rights, and the Green New Deal, spending the last few weeks before the election ignoring Biden’s agenda, ignoring Trump’s libertarian positions, and obsessing over Trump’s tweets will look incredibly petty and stupid–but that probably won’t be the worst of it.

        If people have no way to exert influence on policy or express themselves other than through violence, they will express themselves through violence–and the chances of Biden’s agenda (Green New Deal, Medicare for All, assault on gun rights) and packing the Court NOT provoking a violent reaction are slim. It’ll all happen, if it happens, in his first 100 days, too.

        “70 percent of Republicans now say they don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair, a stark rise from the 35 percent of GOP voters who held similar beliefs before the election.

        https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488

        How idiotic will it have looked to have argued that these people’s voices should be ignored–every day for weeks–after they’ve become violent?

        How do you walk that back?

  59. “Two LONG TIME losers are running the most powerful nation on earth now.

    How do you think this will end?”
    With our grandkids being forced to learn Mandarin?

    1. We literally will have Pelosi, Schumer, Biteme, and Harris running things shortly. It will be the most anti libertarian government in modern history. I don’t believe they are just going to let reason stay around ginning up dissent against them. Expect this place to enter the dustbin of history along with most other websites that don’t obey and bow to leftism. And no reason’s more recent attempts at obeisance to the powers that be won’t work. Too much history here.

      It’s over folks, the statists and leftists won.

      1. Disagree. Reason will be just fine in the near future. Ultimately, this is a website of limited influence, viewership, and reach. Why spend capital to nudge AWS to pull their plug?

        The Donald, or larger sites catering to Trump supporters, OTOH…

        1. Eventually we’ll all be gone.

          And Elizabeth will be posting for the NPC left-wing monkeys she always pined for.

          We didn’t deserve her and we shall all recede into the night.

          It was a good ride while it lasted.

          Heroic Mulatto, j-sub, Episiarch, Pro-Libertate, Agile Cyborg, Gilmore, OMWC, Alamanian, and the endless cast of misfits we had here was a blast.

          But all must come to an end.

          /raises lighter.

          1. Those were the days, Heroic Mulatto, Agile Cyborg, Gilmore. A group of weirdos -the reason (heheheh) I stopped lurking and started commented, albeit with a different screenname. I think, sniff, sniff, Gilmore rode a crocodile out of his closet to greet the new weirdo.

    2. Mandarin will be the next language of business. They make a great tasting orange too!

  60. MAGAheads storming the Capitol is not the same as BLM burning businesses and killing people.

    The Capitol does as lot more to MAGAheads then any of those businesses did to BLM.

  61. Well, for the first time I’m saying, fuck you, ENB.

    The way she minimized the burning of people’s businesses and livelihoods, of which there were many cases, as “a few trash can fires and spray-painted monuments, or even whatever more serious violence did break out” is simply disgusting.

    1. It should be noted, she also says Trump should be held responsible.

      If so, then all politicians will have to be scrutinized in the same vein, right Liz? And what about stupid, ignorant, pant shitting, gaslighting writers passing themselves off as ‘objective journalists’? Will they be held to account for irresponsible opinions? Plenty of your colleagues flat out lie at the NYT and WaPo.

      Who will deem it all bad? Who will guard the guardians?

      You and your ilk? It is to laugh.

      Do pray how that’s going to be any good for ‘free speech’?

    2. There’s woke, and there’s Reason Woke.

  62. I don’t want to pollute the thread anymore with all the ‘flag-refresh’ posts, so you will just have to imagine me disappearing the rest of the vile screeds by that cowardly cunt who can’t engage ethically.

    His pant-shitters veto will not silence me, but it does make it difficult for anyone to engage with any of my posts, so he gets the win when he makes the effort.

    Keep making it about freedom people. Sic semper Tyrannus!

    1. You’re the tyrant Chuck you stupid fat Mormon fuck!
      Your Church is trying to take over the world and force your backwards, disproven beliefs on everyone!

      Please tell me if you and your fat cunt wife visit!

  63. The only good news for libertarians, conservatives and other sane Americans who support freedom (and oppose socialism) is that West Virginia’s Joe Manchin is now the most powerful US Senator.

    1. Although not a fiscal conservative, Manchin has said he opposes packing the SCOTUS, ending the filibuster, adding two new states, and banning/restricting fracking.

      1. He’s one Senator, how many pork projects do the rest of the Dems need to promise to West Virginia before his opposition becomes negotiable?

  64. 3 different hardcore trumpers at work have been on rants about how it was really antifa. Showed me pictures of horn guys tattoos and how they are antifa tats. Showed me pictures of him at “antifa” rally in past as evidence.

    Literally 5 seconds of googling shows horn guy at Q rally in MAY 2020!!! Jesus christ these people are beyond saving.

    The guy is going on about the “lame stream media”, pro trump, pro Q…when presented with this, they respond with “well its just antifa PRETENDING to be trumpers to throw people off”…

    Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

    All of them seemed to have read and digested the conspiracy talking points and are regurgitating them. And they bitch about the leftist NPC’s…

    1. Doesn’t matter if they were atiifa or not, police were told to stand down and they were filmed letting people through the barrier

      1. “Doesn’t matter if they were atiifa or not”

        You are missing the point. When confronted with “trump supporters doing crazy shit” their reaction / talking point was “well it wasnt us! it was really antifa doing the bad stuff!” And then when presented with evidence (that was VERY easy to find) that this is horseshit and it IS a trump supporter, instead of going…”oh, hmm” the response is “well its not REAL trump supporters, its an extra crazy one!” or “its antifa PRETENDING to be trump supporters”

        And I am told that if we just present these people with the audit / recount / voting data they will be convinced and satisfied that they were wrong. Just one more audit, that’s all they are looking for, shucks!

    2. 3 different hardcore trumpers at work have been on rants about how it was really antifa. Showed me pictures of horn guys tattoos and how they are antifa tats. Showed me pictures of him at “antifa” rally in past as evidence.

      Literally 5 seconds of googling shows horn guy at Q rally in MAY 2020!!! Jesus christ these people are beyond saving.

      Yeah, I’m sure Antifa and Qanon are really rigorous about keeping their own kooks in their own lane. Probably better than the GOP and Democratic Party are at keeping the kooks out of their party.

      Do you think there were no black people in the Klan, no Jews in the Nazi Party, and no Nazis in Antifa too?

      Keep in mind, I’m not saying the riots were planned/perpetrated by Qanon, Antifa, or other. Just saying that the Venn diagram around ‘disruptive protests on Washington’ has many, many other circles. I can remember the proverbial crazy conspiracy kook in my home town in the late 80s, literally hanging out on the square talking about how the government disappears people, convicts and holds them without trial using secret courts. The guy was literally brain damaged but, it turns out, he wasn’t exactly wrong.

  65. Explosives were found. Pipe bombs and
    a molotov cocktails, also some Antifa flags with maga crudely painted over them

    Ok the last part was a lie but ffs. Trump supporters with molotov cocktails? That they forgot to use and just fell out of their pockets for authorities to find later?

    Are they going to ban guns first or skip straight to arresting “right wing extremists”

    1. They need some more blood first. Thankfully, the Inauguration is right around the corner…

  66. With a facile blind eye to the months-long spree of rape, looting, arson, and murder by the politically-favored, oligarch-supported Antifa/bLM factions, whose backers are the ones with the real power over tech and LE policies……..

  67. Haven’t seen this part talked about, but above ENB says not to blame social media and that scope and size would have happened even without it. Does that encourage an adoption of the removal section 230? It’s tough for me personally not to think that social media does create echo chambers and fans flames. I am torn in thought many times between social media is tool for expression but at other times it’s no good it just allows you to have a viewpoint and let it fester to something unhealthy. Right now I’m at the point of disagreeing with her, but I do value that it allows individuals to say their point and be heard i just keep thinking about the echochamber festering and if that is worse than the value it delivers? Idk I’m just curious to hear others thoughts on that part of her article above.

    1. In this context, removing Section 230 would be a cure worse than the disease.

      1. Do you think this event from yesterday though adds to push to have it removed?

    2. Idk I’m just curious to hear others thoughts on that part of her article above.

      Section 230 is patently unconstitutional on its face and has been retconned to supposedly preserve the very freedom it did and does mean to destroy (It was written the way it was specifically to hold Compuserve responsible for its users’ content despite the fact that Compuserve didn’t moderate).

      It should be repealed regardless of any rioting in D.C.

    3. I should also clarify when i say social media Twitter is the system the influences my thoughts with the post above.

    4. Just thinking aloud.

      It may be time to impose penalties on broadcasting and amplifying gross lies. It is also an extremely juice and easy target for foreign information operations. Both of which were in play yesterday.

      We need a fairness in broadcasting type of rule for the internet. If repealing 230 means we can’t have comment sections, but also that facebook can be sued for hosting anti vax or Q cult nonsense, then that may be a trade I’m willing to make. Sorry to say.

      1. And who decides what the gross lies are?

        Where do you draw the line between groups that are heterodox and those that are loony?

  68. Trump should pardon Assange and then declassify everything.

    1. And Snowden of course

  69. “The victim was identified as Ashli Babbitt . . . . A 14-year Air Force veteran and resident of Ocean Beach in San Diego, Babbitt, 35, was shot by a Capitol police officer.

    Babbitt was reportedly climbing through a broken window near the Speaker’s Lobby at the Capitol building when a gunshot was fired and she fell to the ground.”

    https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-police-officer-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-during-riot-placed-administrative-leave-1559778

    The officer who killed her was placed on administrative leave.

    Shooting someone for climbing through a broken window in your home in the middle of the night may be an act of self-defense, but if climbing through that window were the only thing she did, I’m not sure that’s a justifiable homicide. If you don’t want to get shot for entering the capitol building through a broken window, don’t enter the building through a broken window, but if you don’t want to have to answer charges for shooting an unarmed protester, there’s a way to avoid that, too . . .

    Don’t shoot unarmed protesters.

    There seems to be a double standard when it comes to Republican protesters in a lot of ways. Newsweek, for instance, calls them “rioters”, a term I believe the media generally refused to use to describe “protesters” targeting federal buildings elsewhere in the country over the summer. Over the summer, I also don’t believe the government shot people for smashing windows and entering federal buildings, elsewhere in the country, either.

    1. I also don’t believe the government shot people for smashing windows and entering federal buildings

      A few got shot with bean bags. A few got batonned and/or pepper sprayed into submission. A few got relatively peacefully, loaded into vans, processed, and later released. I saw footage of all of the above accompanied by narrative about how violently oppressive our government is.

      The only actual protestors I saw shot dead were Garret Foster and the guys who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse.

      Worst literally Hitler ever.

    2. Shooting someone for climbing through a broken window in your home in the middle of the night may be an act of self-defense, but if climbing through that window were the only thing she did, I’m not sure that’s a justifiable homicide.

      I mean, if I can shoot someone breaking a window in my house and climbing in, I’m not gonna call it a bad shoot when a cop does it.

      1. Don’t shoot unarmed protesters.

        When you’re breaking windows you’ve kinda gone beyond ‘protesting’ to ‘rioting’. That goes the same for Antifa, BTW. Same standard here.

        Was she justified in breaking those windows? If she was then it was because the election was stolen – in which case this was basically war and that’s the risk when you go to war.

        1. Not saying that *everyone* there was rioting or that even most were.

          Just saying that if you’re breaking windows and knocking down doors, that, IMO, is a big red flag that maybe you don’t want to come in for just a discussion.

          FFS, one of those dudes had a handful of flexicuffs.

          1. There are considerable differences between a homeowner confronting a trespasser entering through a window into their home, and the situation at the Capitol.

            I’m disappointed you’ve decided to equate the two. We can continue this in another thread, if you like.

  70. “When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
    -Thomas Jefferson

    Reason is definitively anti liberty

    1. How often would you say that Reason staff have been posting articles about how people’s concerns about fraud should be ignored?

      Was it every day?

      It’s one thing to disagree with 70% of Republicans.

      Quite another to argue that they should be ignored and their elected politicians should ignore them.

      1. Multiple times a day, Ken. I still think Sullum had a bet with someone else in their office. Likely Gillespie; it strikes me as fitting his sense of humor.

        1. I do think Gillespie’s a ‘burn it all down’ sort – nihilism kinda catches up with you as you get older – and is stoking the flames over there just to watch the fire.

  71. Tulpa alert. His socks today are Errol and Hank Ferrous.

    1. No one cares White Knight, you hypocritcal retard.

  72. Wow, Vox Light is really showing their true identity. Billions of dollars in damage and dozens of murders at BLM riots this year, but breaking some windows and taking selfies from Nancy Pelosi’s desk, that is TOO much.

    It’s really sad to see Vox Light become a proud member of the MSM. Pushing the Democrats narrative with nearly every article. From “credible” accusations and “mostly peaceful protests” to treasonous rioting in a blink of an eye. Seriously, don’t you hacks have any integrity whatsoever?

    1. Fuck off sarcasmic

  73. Don’t Give the Capitol Rioters Power Over Tech and Policing Policy

    No, that power must be reserved for BLM and Antifa.

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