Coronavirus

New York Bill Would Let the State Put People in Detention if Deemed a 'Significant Threat to Public Health'

The legislation gives the government wide latitude to detain those who might have a contagious disease.

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New York lawmakers are mulling a bill that would allow the state to detain anyone carrying or suspected of carrying a contagious disease that makes them a "significant threat to public health."

Democratic Assemblyman N. Nick Perry of New York's 58th District spearheaded Bill A416, which holds that the government may "order the removal and/or detention of such a person or of a group of such persons" in a "medical facility or other appropriate facility or premises designated by the governor or his or her delegee." A confirmed carrier would be released only after he or she is no longer contagious, and a suspected carrier could be set free only when the government proves that he or she "is not infected with or has not been exposed to such a disease."

Those who may have been in contact with the alleged carriers may also be detained and released when they test negative for the malady in question, or if the suspected carrier with whom they interacted is deemed to be negative.

What could go wrong?

The bill's language is noticeably vague in defining the parameters around disease type, leaving the government wide latitude in conducting its risk analysis. Should it pass, Gov. Andrew Cuomo would be the first state leader to have that power at his disposal. The two-term Democrat has navigated the COVID-19 pandemic with an array of inflexible regulations, from what food bars can serve if they'd like to stay open to how hospitals are allowed to vaccinate New Yorkers.

Perry defended his bill on Twitter. "I am an American who understands our Constitution is sacred, and provides us with the right to agree or disagree, and hold different positions on issues that may relate to our civil and constitutional rights," he wrote. The legislation was originally introduced during the 2015-16 session in response to the Ebola virus.

"This bill hasn't been actively pushed for passage because the Ebola threat was ended thanks to a vaccine," Perry continued. "However, many learned scientists believe that the likelihood of such a deadly pandemic is still real, and somewhere in the future there maybe [sic] the need for people to be protected from a person or persons carrying a very deadly and transmittable virus."

It's difficult to believe that the bill's reintroduction didn't come specifically in response to COVID-19. Though it's a serious virus, it is also no Ebola, which carries an average case fatality rate of 50 percent, with some outbreaks reaching as high as 90 percent.

It's also difficult to believe that the bill in practice would not "take away, or violate any rights, or [sic] liberties that all Americans are entitled to under our constitution, either state or federal," as Perry claims. Though he presents his bill as a last-stop measure for a pandemic on par with Ebola, the vagueness of its approach gives the state a great deal of discretion in locking people up who might have some sort of unnamed illness, as well as people who merely interacted with someone who might have that illness.

That's especially misguided when considering that prisons and jails have been a hotbed for COVID-19, with U.S. correctional institutions recently surpassing 500,000 cases.

2020 was a big year for testing the limits of government power. Americans were made aware of how inefficacious certain government regulations and bureaucratic hurdles are while also dealing with widespread business closures that likely have a negligible impact on public health. At the same time, much of the country seemed to collectively question government overzealousness in the criminal justice system, with renewed calls for reform. Assemblyman Perry aligns himself with those latter advocates, though it appears he does not see how his most recent bill might be incompatible.

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  1. Meanwhile, any criticism of this stuff will get you deplatformed.

    Breaking: Talk Radio, British chat show which has been critical of UK lockdowns just got deplatformed from Youtube.

    This is no small thing. Many of you may not follow UK politics and news that much, but I do. The threat to free speech from the major tech companies is a real threat to democracy. I don’t know what the solution is, and I disagree with classifying them as utilities, but unless there’s some kind of major public pushback, it’ll be increasingly difficult to weep about any ugly regulatory solution that causes the tech companies pain.

    1. The UK both privately and governmentally keeps moving the ball towards suppression of speech. It is getting a bit bizarre.

      1. As Brian Rose indicates above, Talk Radio is a regulated media entity in the UK in good standing. That in an of itself puts an interesting… spin on the gravity of this (sorry for the mixed metaphors). From my perspective, that means that the UK, which is nominally more inclined that the US to have restrictions on speech due to the lack of constitutional protections, regulates their news media, and whatever Talk Radio’s perceived warts are, remains in good standing– in a country that historically tends towards cultural conformity.

        To me, this is almost bigger than the tech giants’ blackout on the New York Post story about H. Biden’s laptop. That was a single story. This would be like deplatforming Good Morning America because they had a guest on who signed the Great Barrington Declaration.

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            1. Do you WANT to be arrested?

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            “Four! Stop it! Stop it! How can you go on? Four, four!”

            “How many fingers, Winston?”

            “Five, five, five.”

        2. What is interesting is that Section 230 says the platforms are not responsible for the content their creators put up, but, in this case, YouTube is holding Talk Radio responsible for the views its guests put forward in a public policy debate.

          How can you have debate on pressing political matters when merely broaching certain views is forbidden?

          1. How can you have debate on pressing political matters when merely broaching certain views is forbidden?

            I think you stumbled across the feature that masquerades as a bug.

          2. The tricky part is that I don’t want to force private companies to be the place to “have debate on pressing political matters.” One of the big problems I have is with how much people try to politicize every goddamn aspect of my life. I don’t want my blacksmithing forum to become a place for pressing political debates. I want it to be a place to talk about blacksmithing.

            That said, YouTube has styled itself as a place to have these debates- and they are being disingenuous fucktards about it. I have faith that if the government can keep its sticky fingers off the scales some of these sites will get taken care of. Twitter is already under duress from Parler and MeWe is coming up strong.

            Consider that in 1998, the question on any VC’s lips when talking to you was, “What are you going to do when Yahoo copies your business?” 6 Years later it was, “Yahoo is in trouble”. But it was only 2016 that Yahoo ceased to be an independent entity and was bought by Verizon. That transformation took nearly 20 years, and many of the Yahoo products are still around under new management.

            It is hard to see YouTube being unseated, but when you see celebrities like Rogen bailing on them, you can at least entertain the possibility that their censorious nature is starting to cost them. The only way to limit those costs is to entrench their status with the help of Government.

            1. “The tricky part is that I don’t want to force private companies to be the place to “have debate on pressing political matters.” ”

              Sadly, that decision is being taken out of your hands.

              1. “Sadly, that decision is being taken out of your hands.”

                Yes, changing Section 230 will have that effect. Today, the owner of my blacksmithing forum can ban people/posts who want to have SJW arguments. If some sort of “content neutrality” rule is introduced, that will go away.

                1. No it won’t. Content neutral doesn’t mean no rules.

                  Stop acting like the net neutrality crowd.

                  Youre also comparing a forum to a general platform.

                2. This is nothing more than sour grapes from the Trump right who got tired of people deleting their conspiracy delusions. They just want to see their paranoid stories without them being censored by sane people. Consequences be damned. They’re forgetting the “Me today; you tomorrow” rule of politics.

                  1. You mean the conspiracy about Hunter Biden being investigated?

                    1. Oh, wait, you mean the conspiracy about the virus coming from a lab?

                    2. Oops, my mistake, you mean the conspiracy that cloth masks don’t stop viruses.

                      Double oops, you actually think cloth masks stop viruses. Ignore this example.

                    3. Maybe it was censoring anti-lockdown protests? Not exactly a conspiracy theory, but you know those protesters would have probably ran around spitting in old people’s faces, so it was necessary.

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                3. Today, the owner of my blacksmithing forum can ban people/posts who want to have SJW arguments. If some sort of “content neutrality” rule is introduced, that will go away.

                  Yes, hopefully the entire blacksmithing forum will not be “owned” anymore, and instead such discussions will take place in a public space. That’s the way the Internet used to function before it got hijacked by ad companies.

            2. Twitter is already under duress from Parler and MeWe is coming up strong.

              The media is working on that problem.

              Make sure free speech is always placed in scare quotes.

              1. Ironic quote of the decade:

                “There are consequences with people using apps like Parler,” said Quran. “Facebook and Twitter have to be ready when they come back because many of them will want to instigate violence and spread more misinformation.”

                “Hate spreads,” added Quran. “People are going to lose trust in the idea of community, they won’t be civil with people they disagree with.”

                1. “Hate spreads,” added Quran. “People are going to lose trust in the idea of community, they won’t be civil with people they disagree with.”

                  “So if they don’t spout the approved political narratives, we just shut them up!”

                  I warned you fuckers that this was all forecast when Sarah Jeong, a woman who LITERALLY WROTE THE BOOK, “Internet of Garbage,” on how to justify censorship of speech that didn’t conform to left-wing paradigms, was hired as an editor for the New York Times. People like Jeong are MASSIVELY connected to the Media/Tech/Democratic Party hydra, and her hiring was a signal that the Establishment Left in this country was about to go full Oceania.

                2. Also, it should be noted that these tactics by Facebook and Twitter are the same ones used against ISIS, which had a massive social media footprint in its early stages in 2014, so don’t be surprised if the CIA is providing consultation to these guys as well.

            3. It is hard to see YouTube being unseated, but when you see celebrities like Rogen bailing on them, you can at least entertain the possibility that their censorious nature is starting to cost them. The only way to limit those costs is to entrench their status with the help of Government.

              It’s hard not to wonder if even the threat of regulation won’t help push Youtube into whirring blades of the Dispose-all a little harder.

              1. “It’s hard not to wonder if even the threat of regulation won’t help push Youtube into whirring blades of the Dispose-all a little harder.”

                You have already SEEN YouTube and the government telegraphing how this is going to work out. If you disagree with the CDC, you get ban-hammered. Simple. YouTube doesn’t have to fend off critics, they just have to fend off the government by deleting anything that disagrees with the government.

                Right now that is risible but perhaps justifiable as “Public Health”. But it is surprising how far “public health” will get you. My kid is doing an elementary school research paper on whether or not we should ban cigarettes, and is only allowed to use certain sites like government sites. And right there on the National Institute of Health are official documents explaining that cigarette sales feed corruption and fuel studies that deny climate science. Those are official positions of government agencies that YouTube can happily use to eliminate contrary voices, and the government is ready to help.

            4. Rogan didn’t bail on youtube because of censorship. He went to Spotify for the money.

      2. Except it is YouTube doing it, at best at the behest of the UK government.

        Is it libertarian for a private company to suppress speech as a government’s catspaw?

        1. Of course it is.

        2. No, it is not.

          Almost every private company in america is completely beholden to government dictates, to the most ludicrous petty micro-management levels you can imagine. They are hardly free enterprise.

          The answer, of course, is not MOAR GOVERNMENT though. the answer to the problem is the direct opposite of the that.

        3. Soft fascism is supported by people like chipper.

    2. “I don’t know what the solution is”

      I do. If you don’t like Youtube’s policies, go start your own video sharing site.

      #Libertarianism101

        1. “Who could argue against love for all people and freedom of speech?”

          Who is the monster at the end of that article? Why, you are, Brian Feldman.

          “The era of tech companies playing dumb about who’s harnessing their tools is coming to an end.”

          1. “No one wants to do business with you” is not the same as “the government bans your speech through use of force.” Or is it? Conservatives oppose government because they prefer that social norms be set by the local community, the families, and the church. How is that any different? Isn’t Amish ostracism just another type of cancel culture?

            1. Sigh, every argument is a fallacy with you. Amish ostracism is a choice that every member of that community can either abide by or not. They can’t put you in jail if you talk to a shunned person. Participating in business with a company not properly licensed by the state can be a felony or, at the least, invalidate any contract you need enforced.

              1. And how many years do the Amish have in a progressively (get it?) SJW world?

              2. I did not use the word “fallacy” in my comment. If your argument is that Amish ostracism is fully voluntary because everyone in that community is there voluntarily, how is that different from Facebook, or Youtube, or Twitter? Are you making the argument that if someone forms a social media company that allows hate speech, the government will step in to ban the social media company? The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment.

                1. I did not use the word “fallacy” in my comment.

                  That’s not what he said, you moron.

              3. “They can’t put you in jail if you talk to a shunned person.”

                Only if they are temporarily unshunned first.

            2. You supported operation chokepoint.

              1. Once someone supports Operation Chokepoint, anything they say about letting private companies in the free market decide is bullshit. At that point, it’s just a question of how blatantly they support the administrative state starving out anyone they don’t like.

              2. Blue State Jesse lies yet again. Fuck off.

                1. No, he’s spot on. YOU fuck off.

            3. “No one wants to do business with you” is not the same as “the government bans your speech through use of force.”

              But it’s the government that goes to the social media companies and says “We want you to do X, Y, and Z. Nice company you have; shame if your executives got tied up in a dozen government-initiated anti-trust and tax avoidance lawsuits; bad press too.”

              That’s the way the US government operates these days.

      1. As if legislative authorities don’t give tacit privileges to Youtube that they wouldn’t have to for smaller competitors…

    3. It is because all of the mortality data, relationships to what the transmission curves look like vs lock down dates, etc… the weight of all of that basically shows that the UK lock downs are useless. It is almost trivial to show that their decisions have not made any sense and have likely – like lock downs everywhere – added to the misery they were trying to mitigate.

      And of course, we know that there is no relationship between lock downs and C19 mortality.

    4. “It’s a public utility, these digital platforms.”

      No. No they are not.

      1. I agree with your disagreement. But I believe it’s possible to be both horrified at the reckless power of the tech companies, the danger of their lack of respect for free speech and democratic (small-d) debate, and also be against classifying them as utilities.

      2. They’re not entirely private either though.

        1. That hot-mic moment between Zuckerberg and Merkel was widely misinterpreted. He was just trying to get into her pants.

          1. EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!

            1. Hey now! It’s like Hilary, but German. And Germans are notoriously kinky.

      3. They are if the government declares them to be.

        Remember: electricity, gas, water, and trash also all started out as purely private businesses before being turned forcibly into public utilities.

    5. The UK doesn’t have free speech and never really did, so this is nothing new.

      1. It is actually shocking how unique the First Amendment is even in the west.

      2. They weren’t banned in the UK.

      3. Further, they are in good-standing with the media regulatory bodies within the UK. The UK is acting like Mario Savio, Youtube is acting like Stalin’s Ministry of Airbrushed Photos.

    6. The Commies at unreason support Democrats and Democrats control New York. Democrats support unconstitutional detentions.

      Democrats locked up Japanese-Americans during WWII.
      Democrats locked up slaves.
      Democrats locked up drug users.

      Anyone who believes that Democrats are as good as the Republicans are loco. Democrats support Communism.

      1. The democrats have now destroyed the rule of law. So now it is necessary to reduce their numbers and remove them from power.

    7. THERE IS NO VACCINE FOR RACISM

    8. Revoke 230.

    9. Well, I definitely think all zombies should be detained, if in fact it can be proven that the person is in fact a brain eating zombie who has partaken in a brain eating frenzy. Video of the event, if taken by bystanders, should be available to the general public after a thorough investigation by police has indeed proven that the individual in question has indeed been caught eating the brains of a living breathing human being of any nationality or sexual orientation.

  2. As a Koch / Reason libertarian, I want our benefactor Charles Koch to have the largest possible labor force. That’s why I consistently advocate policies like #OpenTheBorders and #EmptyThePrisons. With Mr. Koch looking to repair the economic damage caused by Drumpf, the last thing we need is more people behind bars or detained for any reason.

    That said, I’m inclined to support this bill. Andrew Cuomo literally wrote the book on successful pandemic response. There’s no American politician I’d trust more to exercise this new power.

    #LibertariansForCuomo

    1. Minor correction, largest and cheapest possible labor fource.

      1. And by labor force, you mean slaves.

      2. If highly-skilled Mexican immigrants will work for Mr. Koch for 15 cents per hour, that’s the free market at work.

        #AbolishTheMinimumWage

        1. I don’t know what Koch has to do with it, but I agree. Freedom to the people!

  3. I can’t tell you how delighted we white knights are with the policy of neutralizing people and places suspected of carrying a contagious disease.

    Churches and synagogues should be the first to be scrutinized (but not mosques. They’re naturally sterile) and permanently closed as a public health measure.

    1. (but not mosques. They’re naturally sterile)

      Its because they don’t allow dirty grubby women-folk in to sully them

  4. It’s almost like the more power you give to government, the more power government wants. Who woulda thought?!

    1. And the more that (some) people grow dependent on government, for sustenance and guidance, the more government they want.

      Plus Karens.

    2. Prison terms for elected officials who knowingly violate the constitution.

      1. Too generous.

      2. Wish granted. Guess who has the authority to decide that.

  5. SleepyJoe regime will expand on this concept.

    1. We need to centralize it away from the states.

      1. Worked for immigration. Should work here.

        1. Funny. In all seriousness, what IS the last thing the govt did that worked?

          1. Reworked a national election process for the COVID-19 reality.

          2. 17th and 18th century territorial expansion?

          3. Atom bombs?

  6. “Assemblyman Perry aligns himself with those latter advocates, though it appears he does not see how his most recent bill might be incompatible.”

    The Assemblyman will not admit there is anything that can be abusive by this bill before it is passed. If there is any problem caused, it will be the fault of low level members of the executive, not the high minded legislators and governors and the nobly intended legislation.

  7. “UPON DETERMINING BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT THE HEALTH
    OF OTHERS IS OR MAY BE ENDANGERED BY A CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER, OR
    SUSPECTED CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER OF A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE THAT, IN THE
    OPINION OF THE GOVERNOR, AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER, MAY
    POSE AN IMMINENT AND SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESULTING
    IN SEVERE MORBIDITY OR HIGH MORTALITY…”

    And how long before they declare Conservatism a contagious disease?

    1. It will not be limited to “conservatism;” as for those “medical” or “other appropriate facilities” to which you will be remanded, who could read this and not be reminded of the manner in which the Soviets dealt with dissidents?

      1. They’ve already told you: racism is a public health issue.
        And racism is any objection to leftism.
        This shit is not hard to see for any who aren’t willingly blind.

    2. I believe that in multiple occasions “scientists” have produced papers which suggested conservatism was in fact a pathology. I’d google it, but then I’d just get annoyed at the results, and I’m already in a sour mood today.

    3. wait till they extend that to guns since they are already trying to treat guns as a medical issue

      1. Guns, smokers, STD’s , warts, alcoholics, anyone with the sniffles, all these things are potential health hazards, and must be dealt with in a swift and decisive manner. SleepyJoe is just the man for the job.

      2. To follow Diane’s lead here, many “medical professionals” have likened guns to a pathology, specifically a virus. I’m just seeing this first small step as a very large template will all sorts of applications.

  8. Given that sensitive Progressives have told us that speech is violence, and sensitive people suffer physical harm from words, this law provides the essential bridge to locking up people for their opinions.

    1. One very short fucking leap there.

      1. Hair-triggered.

    2. If speech is violence then violence is speech. Thus we have now made assault & battery unconstitutional.

    3. You don’t even need to make those mental gymnastics.

      The government is responsible for public health, which includes public health awareness. To post anything that undermines public health awareness is to undermine public health.

      * Pedalling lies about vaccines confuses the public.
      * encouraging people to use guns undermines public health
      * dissuading people from combatting climate change will certainly impact public health.
      * Racism is a huge public health problem, so any speech that keeps people from rooting out and destroying racism undermines public health.

      Once everything is linked to public health, arguing against that policy is prohibited.

  9. …a suspected carrier could be set free only when the government proves that he or she “is not infected with or has not been exposed to such a disease.”

    Ha.

    1. Converting suspected carriers to cremated corpses is the fastest, cheapest, and most effective way from point A to point B.

      1. Can’t we just skip to point Z?

  10. Just pass a law that you aren’t allowed to be sick. Works for everything else.

    1. Seriously. Why didn’t they just do that in February and save us all a lot of pain?

      1. Turkmenistan leads the world in COVID suppression. All their policies should be emulated.

  11. Good.
    Now we can lock up all the crazy folks with TDS!
    Should make the next election a lot less complicated.

  12. This just naturally begs to be applied to mental hygiene. Just look:

    the government may “order the removal and/or detention of such a person or of a group of such persons” in a “medical facility or other appropriate facility or premises designated by the governor or his or her delegee.” A confirmed [critic] would be released only after he or she is no longer [spreading material critical of the government], and a suspected [critic] could be set free only when the government proves that he or she “is not infected with [critical views] or has not been exposed to such [views].”

    Very little needs to be added. And as for the lip service offered regarding the Constitution, that can just remain the same.

    1. All detainees will be released after they pass through Room 101.

      1. Arbeit macht frei

    2. “A governor or his or her delegee. “

      I like that.

      Get out of this ER. You have no authority here.

  13. a suspected carrier could be set free only when the government proves that he or she “is not infected with or has not been exposed to such a disease.”

    Because fuck the 4th Amendment.

    1. A minor inconvenience.

      1. Except for the poor bastard being held indefinitely, of course.

        1. All part of the omelette, of a well ordered and efficient society.

          1. Great Resets don’t just spring forth, Venus-like from a mysterious clamshell. They take work, preparation and a lot of enforcement.

            1. I thought it just took that stupid red button Hillary used with Russia.

              1. That was a promo from Office Depot; they just told her it was hot wired to Putin’s genitals.

  14. “I am an American who understands our Constitution is sacred, and provides us with the right to agree or disagree, and hold different positions on issues that may relate to our civil and constitutional rights”

    Umm…

  15. “New York lawmakers are mulling a bill that would allow the state to detain anyone carrying or suspected of carrying a contagious disease that makes them a “significant threat to public health.””

    So, political opponents. Got it.

  16. This is literally the opening chapter of many a dystopian sci-fi novel..

    1. Novels, you say. That would be fiction.

    1. I like that ‘connoisseur’ is non-gendered because it’s French.

      1. Oh yea, Romance languages have masculine and feminine forms for nouns.

        1. Feminine is connaisseuse.

    2. I’m gonna have to do a closer inspection of Congresswoman Gabbard to determine if there truly is a difference between male and female.

  17. Next on the agenda, designating Trump support as a contagious disease.

  18. People who put others at risk of contracting Covid-19 with their reckless behavior are no different from drug pushers who try to get people addicted. The drug pushers go to jail and so should deliberate Covid infectors.

    1. Drug pushers don’t cause addiction.
      Thanks for exposing your idiocy.

    2. That’s the worst analogy I have ever encountered. At least with drugs, you have a good time before you get sick. You don’t have to talk someone into trying COVID. And the war on drugs has been so successful, who wouldn’t support a parallel war on COVID?

      I suppose you get to decide what constitutes “deliberate” when it comes to COVID infection.

      Is this one of those Poe’s Law things?

  19. I thought New York already had the authority to indefinitely lock up people who carry diseases. They did it back in 1915 (and kept her imprisoned until she died in 1938).

    1. Without evidence.

    2. Why weren’t they doing it with any other infectious illness? The 1967 flu killed a larger percentage of the population than COVID has.

  20. Late late breaking: talkRadio re-platformed after heavy public pressure.

    Thank goodness they had the backing of channels with tens of millions of subscribers to call out Youtube for its bullshit.

    1. If you don’t like YouTube’s policies, just start your own network with tens of millions of subscribers. -Failing at Libertarianism 101

      1. Seriously man… that was huge. And the subtext here is what’s so concerning. If you have the OG’s of Youtube backing you with tens of millions of subscribers, you can shame youtube into action. If you’ve got 5000, 10,000 subscribers etc., you’re just a tree falling in the woods with no one around to hear it.

        The other part of the subtext is Youtube deplatformed them for a terms of service violation. If youtube re-platformed them, did youtube misinterpret their TOS the first time, or simply ignore it on the replatforming?

        I still argue that I think the ultimate solution is not legislative, but massive amounts of lawsuits, both individual and class-action that begin to act like death-of-a-thousand-cuts on these tech companies, forcing them to start acting like neutral platforms, or causing them to fail outright bringing in a new era of tech company with more rigorous TOS.

    2. Well, that is good. At least Alphabet can be embarrassed.

      1. They’re not embarrassed, they’re too busy deplatforming 300 other low-subscriber youtubers who are no more controversial than talkRadio. They merely threw the community a bone to distract them.

  21. Fidel Castro pimped out his Cuban military troops to the Soviet Union in the 70s and 80s to kill Black Africans in Angola. Many troops returned to Cuba infected with AIDS and Castro imprisoned them in military-run “health” concentration camps. It didn’t work. AIDS spread through Cuba anyway.

  22. Nobody saw this coming, right? I mean all the precautions were strictly ‘voluntary; no way they would become mandatory!
    Give power to tin-pot dictators, do not be surprised at the result.

    1. Two weeks to flatten the curve!

      1. It’s always day 1.

  23. We’re all truly losing our minds. This is nuts.

    This it. Tyranny. Look at it.

    Quebec will look at this and try and upstage New York at the Retard Games.

    1. SleepyJoe wants in on that contest!

    2. Quebec cannot even field a competitive hockey team.

  24. 2020 was a big year for testing the limits of government power.

    Too bad it wasn’t a year for anyone to figure out how to actually do public health.

    In theory, I really don’t have a problem with some last resort type measure like this. Course its only last resort if actual public health measures first starts with persuasion, then with incentives and ‘distortions’, then with ‘whoops did we detain you for a week while you were spitting/sneezing on everyone nearby’, then finally with legalizing the whoops. At that means a nice contentious argument about slippry slopes and such

    If there is no public health measure, there is no slippery slope. This is only about detention. And the notion that either the R’s or D’s give a rat’s shit about imprisoning people for any reason at all is ludicrous. The US did not become the world’s biggest prison because D’s and R’s DISAGREE. We became the world’s biggest prison because both D’s and R’s agree that Cuba/Russia/Iran/China doesn’t imprison near enough people for near enough reasons.

    1. As an aside – just in case you were wondering how shitty the US is at incarcerating our own people:
      Incarceration rate per 100,000 people:

      US – 655
      Cuba – 510
      Russia – 338
      Turkey – 324
      Iran – 294
      China – 120

      And yes the China number is bullshit but not by 5x

      1. The good news about China is 120 per 100,000 represents 120 trials because of their 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% conviction rate.

        1. If you weren’t guilty, the wouldn’t put you on trial.

          1. If you don’t like your justice system, go build your own justice system!

            1. It would be funnier if it weren’t true.

      2. Thank you, Joe Biden and Commiela Harris and all “Tough on Crime” legislators.

  25. Holy fuck.

    When this whole COVID mess started, people thought I was nuts for mentioning Korematsu. This should surprise no one. It was inevitable. We can’t contain the virus, so I guess we will now contain people. (We were never going to be able to contain it – it’s a virus. It spreads. That’s its only function – reproduce and spread.)

    We’re done.

    1. Funny how several countries were able to contain the virus.

      1. Other than island nations that are naturally isolated, who?

        Certainly not China, that’s why the world is in this mess.

      2. You know what, I’m over comparisons with other countries. We are far too large (both in terms of size and population) to be meaningfully compared to any other nation. We have two very large borders on water and two very large borders on land. We are a nation of over 325 million spread across 50 states and several territories. South Korea has 50 million people and is roughly the size of Kentucky.

  26. Hey, I have a great idea. How about we find people who have been exposed to COVID or have it and give them a nice, snazzy patch to wear so we can all identify them. Yellow is a nice spring color. They could be in the shape of the virus particle, or a circle, or maybe a star.

    1. And some identification numbers on the forearm in case you lose the star.

      1. Ooh, good idea!

    2. I love how butthurt you guys are when someone compares Trump to Hitler, yet here you are, doing the exact same thing when it’s convenient for your worldview.

      1. Not the same thing at all.

        1. He’s really amazing in his own way.

      2. I have never been butt hurt when anyone compares Trump to Hitler, although I think the comparison is meaningless.

        I’m comparing a proposed New York law to a law put forth by the German government in the 1930s. Surely you have heard the truism that history repeats itself. I didn’t say anyone was Hitler.

  27. I would hope the first person so detained can simply move for habeas relief. To hold someone without trial or charge is exactly what habeas corpus forbids, and per Article I, Section 9, it can only be suspended in cases of invasion or rebellion. Not disease.

    1. “We are being invaded by the Virus”.
      Problem solved.

  28. And of course the unqualified monsters of the state get to determine who might qualify for prison time…you might be the wrong sex, color, nationality, age, or whatever and that puts you into the Gestapo’s risk group. What a crock.

  29. So we have police given Carte Blanche to arrest anyone on suspicion of infection on one side, and Trump filing lawsuits on the other. Which of these is the threat to democracy?

    1. Everyone knows seeking relief from the courts is the most authoritarian thing you can do.

  30. Terrible horrible bad idea. This is not the way to get people to respond to a public health threat.

  31. New York lawmakers are mulling a bill that would allow the state to detain anyone carrying or suspected of carrying a contagious disease that makes them a “significant threat to public health.”

    Their governor is the worst threat to public health in the state. But he probably gets grandfathered in.

  32. Looks like there’s going to be a lot of Republicans breathing a sigh of relief – they’re back to being a minority party so now they can bitch ineffectively about what the Democrats are doing and promise they’d do stuff different if they were in charge. It’s what they do best.

    1. 50-50 in the Ossoff race, with 98 percent in. Loeffler down 50.5-49.5 in her race, with 98 percent in. LOL. Did anyone expect anything differently? Guess which way that last two percent is going to fall…

      You’re not voting your way out of this one…

      1. Perdue and loeffler won georgia.

        Even with the massive democrat election fraud scheme.

        Y’all really think democrats would not try to steal this election too?

        As democrats got more and more desperate, the democrat political flyers got larger and larger. Outside the polling locale today, there were 10-1 democrat signs.

        Commies prefer to use democracy to enslave you. They learned their lesson from the confederacy.

        1. When they cant get their way, good old fashion tyranny is the eay they go.

          Ask the commies at unreason.

  33. Cool destruction of the very concept of habeas corpus bro.

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    1. “It’s difficult to believe that the bill’s reintroduction didn’t come specifically in response to COVID-19. Though it’s a serious virus, it is also no Ebola, which carries an average case fatality rate of 50 percent, with some outbreaks reaching as high as 90 percent.”

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  35. Coming soon to a federal government near you! But no mean tweets. Congrats Reason, you played your role perfectly.

  36. Never, ever get a Covid test.

    1. Damn right.
      Way too much studying required to pass.

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