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Pornhub Isn't the Problem. That Won't Stop the Politicized Crusade Against It.

The case against the popular pornography site rests on misleading data and hidden agendas.

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It's not hard to understand why Pornhub—a giant clearinghouse of user-posted porn clips that gets massive amounts of web traffic—makes a politically popular scapegoat for problems plaguing the internet more broadly. Those most loudly denouncing the clip site and calling for its demise say a new push to shut down Pornhub is a matter of stopping child abuse.

Pornhub isn't without significant issues. But if advocates are most concerned about illicit content involving minors—rather than with trying to police what happens between consenting adults—then there is strong evidence that Pornhub's problems are much smaller in scope than the problems of popular social media sites such as Facebook, Snapchat, and Instagram. That these sites generally get a pass from Pornhub foes and the press suggests there's something more going on here than just a concern for protecting children. For politicians, activists, and media personalities looking to score an easy win, the campaign against Pornhub appears to be more about moral grandstanding and leveraging generalized shame around pornography than addressing the real problem of child abuse and exploitation.

The new anti-porn coalition

Pornhub's prime position in this discourse seems more related to high-profile public relations campaigns against it than the documented prevalence of harmful content.

Major anti-Pornhub campaigns have been led by the group formerly known as Morality in Media—now the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE)—and by Exodus Cry, a nonprofit "which presents itself as an anti-sex-trafficking organization, but, per the mission statement laid out in their 2018 tax returns, ultimately aims to abolish sex work entirely," as Tarpley Hitt at The Daily Beast puts it. Exodus Cry stems from a controversial evangelical Christian church called the International House of Prayer.

Calling their efforts TraffickingHub, NCOSE and Exodus Cry have been teaming up to portray Pornhub as a uniquely prolific and unrepentant purveyor of smut featuring minors and abuse. But reports from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), tech companies, and law enforcement do not support this contention.

To make their cases against Pornhub, then, crusaders often resort to using statistics in weaselly ways, designed to help casual readers draw false impressions. For instance, in a letter calling for Pornhub to be investigated, Sen. Ben Sasse (R–Neb.) weaves general numbers about Pornhub traffic and searches in with warnings about "the exploitation of human trafficking victims in pornography streamed over the internet."

Shared Hope International peppers its calls to shut down Pornhub with general stats about child sex abuse material. "There were 18.4 million reports of child sexual abuse imagery online in the last year—making up more than one-third of all such reports in the entire history of the internet," the group said in March before accusing Pornhub of "conditioning viewers to tolerate the sexualization of and violence against youth, as well as the objectification of women and girls."

Promotional efforts by Exodus Cry and NCOSE (and the press and politicking that results) also rely on a few other rhetorical tricks. Without evidence, they hold up isolated tales of abuse as representative of Pornhub content more broadly. And despite evidence to the contrary, they suggest Pornhub is particularly bad for attracting and permitting illegal content, with executives at Pornhub indifferent to (or even encouraging of) pictures and videos featuring underage teen girls. Lastly, they suggest that the only feasible solution is to take drastic aim at porn or digital privacy more broadly—sometimes both.

A recent piece by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof neatly hits these notes. On Pornhub, "a search for 'girls under18′ (no space) or '14yo' leads in each case to more than 100,000 videos," wrote Kristof, before adding that "most aren't children being assaulted." (Conflating role-playing with actual abuse is also a common feature of anti-Pornhub advocacy.)

Kristof tells us that "after a 15-year-old girl went missing in Florida, her mother found her on Pornhub—in 58 sex videos." But police say 58 is the total number of at least semi-nude photos and videos of the runaway teen (most of which did not feature sex) that they were found across a range of websites, including Periscope, Modelhub, and Snapchat along with Pornhub.

That doesn't absolve Pornhub, of course. But it is yet another reminder that the problem goes beyond this particular site—something anti-Pornhub crusaders tend to studiously ignore.

A Google News search reveals ample activist campaigning and political hubbub about Pornhub, but few stories of actual prosecutions involving predators who used the site. The Florida case is one of the same handful that keeps making the rounds in anti-Pornhub articles. Another oft-repeated story occurred over a decade ago. Meanwhile, countless new stories about mainstream apps and gaming sites being used for exploitation receive little attention outside local crime news.

Here's a recent case out of the U.K. involving Facebook and at least 20 12- to 15-year-old boys. Here's a prosecution in Arkansas involving Instagram and Snapchat. Here's another recent prosecution involving Snapchat. And another. And another. And another. This September case out of California involved Snapchat along with Twitter, Telegram, and ICQ. Here's one involving Snapchat and Whisper.

An April investigation in New York called "Operation Home Alone" involved Fortnite, Hot or Not, Kik, Minecraft, SKOUT, Tinder, and other apps popular with kids and teenagers. In August, a spokesperson for the New Jersey Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force said platforms used by child predators included Kik, SKOUT, Grindr, Whisper, Omegle, Tinder, Chat Avenue, Chatroulette, Wishbone, Live.ly, Musical.ly [now TikTok], Paltalk, Yubo, Hot or Not, Down, Tumblr, Fortnite, Minecraft, and Discord.

Facebook reported nearly 60 million potential child sexual abuse photos and videos on its platforms in 2019. (The company told The Verge that "not all of that content is considered 'violating' and that only about 29.2 million met that criteria.") That makes Facebook the source of 94 percent of U.S. tech companies' reports to NCMEC.

Despite aggressive (and admirable) efforts to detect and report this content, research suggests that plenty of child sexual abuse material (CSAM) is slipping by Facebook filters and staff anyway. A Tech Transparency Project study of Department of Justice press releases from 2013 through 2019 found that of at least 366 cases involving Facebook, only 9 percent originated from Facebook reporting content to authorities.

The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC), a U.K.-based organization, looked at "1,220 offences of sexual communication with a child" in England and Wales during the first three months of pandemic lockdowns. "Facebook-owned apps (Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp) were used in 51% of cases where the type of communication was recorded" and Snapchat in 20 percent, NSPCC said in a November press release.

Putting Pornhub in Perspective

The Internet Watch Foundation, an independent U.K.-based watchdog group, says that it "found 118 instances of child sexual abuse imagery on Pornhub" from January 1, 2017, through October 29, 2019.

Terms like child sexual abuse imagery (and CSAM, used more commonly in the United States) are officialese for a broad range of imagery, from the truly sickening to semi-nude selfies shared by older teens.

Mindgeek, the Montreal-based parent company behind Pornhub, has said that "any assertion that we allow CSAM is irresponsible and flagrantly untrue." For a few years now, Pornhub has at least been trying to clean up its act. The company has been doing more—though still not enough, according to many in the porn industry—to crack down on pirated videos, underage videos, and content made or shared non-consensually while also helping adult sex workers share and profit from their work.

In the past few days, Pornhub announced new policies surrounding content and removed all videos from non-verified accounts.

Many of these changes have long been on the list of porn performer and producer demands. Folks heaping praise on Kristof, Fox News host Laura Ingraham, and other Pornhub-critical members of the media overlook the years of work that those in the industry have been doing to pressure Pornhub into working harder to prevent illegal content of all kinds while also ensuring that adults who want to monetize their work can do so.

Little coverage has acknowledged this activism and lobbying from sex workers, nor the broader labor and intellectual property issues behind it. The focus in accounts like Kristof's—or legislation like Missouri Republican Sen. Josh Hawley's latest bill—is on eliciting disgust and condemnation about legitimate problems and then homing in on Pornhub, not taking a balanced look at the larger problem or a sober analysis of what steps might actually mitigate it.

In several cases that Kristof and Exodus Cry muster against Pornhub, the perpetrators of abuse were relatives of the victims. This is a finding that crops up again and again, no matter what type of child abuse we're talking about: Kids are being exploited by family members and others close to them, or while under the watch of state services. Yet rather than focus on difficult but commonplace problems in people's own communities (or favorite family-friendly social platforms) people would rather create boogeymen out of a company willing to do business with sex workers.

Abusive content is portrayed as something ignored by online platforms and untraceable by police when, in reality, perpetrators of abuse are often caught and prosecuted because of help from tech companies. Instead of seeing tech companies as allies in thwarting predators and getting justice for victims, however, legislators and activists are often scheming more ways to make a broader group of people and businesses responsible for these harms.

First, they go after the user-generated content platforms like Pornhub (or OnlyFans, or Craigslist and Backpage before them). Then they go after anyone who does business with the platform, from credit card companies and other payment processors to the web hosting services, software, and advertisers that power them. Ultimately, the target becomes anyone enabling adult sex workers to actually work more safely and independently and to profit from their work.

Last week, Visa and Mastercard announced that they would cease their business relationships with Pornhub, after facing mounting pressure to do so. "This news is crushing for the hundreds of thousands of models who rely on our platform for their livelihoods," Pornhub said in response. 

We've been here before, notes sex worker, activist, and author Maggie McNeill. A few years back, activists and officials pressured credit card companies to stop doing business with Backpage—until a federal court said it was unconstitutional.

Now people like Hawley and Kristof—who both have a history of promoting sex trafficking fables—are trying the same thing with sites like Pornhub.

Of course, there will always be more underground platforms, foreign servers, and ways for criminals to evade U.S. authorities and spread their filth. And these more removed platforms, unlike mainstream porn sites, won't be willing to cooperate with the government, making it harder to catch people perpetrating violence, fraud, theft, or abuse. But with payment processor options narrowed, consenting adult porn performers and producers are less able to profit from their legal work and more likely to need to rely on exploitative middlemen.

Once again, their efforts will only end up making things harder for the very people they claim to be concerned with, while also punishing and keeping down sex workers broadly.

Behind the numbers, Room for Optimism

Behind the big, bad numbers, there's evidence that detection of and action around exploitative material is growing, in a way that signals positive change from all sorts of tech companies.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children received 16.9 million total tips about potentially abusive online content in 2019, with about 3 percent of this content originating in the U.S.

Tips to NCMEC came from at least 148 different tech platforms last year, with 15,884,511 tips coming from Facebook; 449,283 from Google; 73,929 from Imgur; 19,480 tips from Discord; 123,839 from Microsoft; 7,360 from Pinterest; 82,030 from Snapchat; 596 from TikTok; 45,726 from Twitter; and 13,418 from Verizon Media; 306 from Vimeo; and 57 from Zoom.

Those are staggering numbers. But it's important to keep in mind that they don't represent verified or discrete examples of child porn. The data reflect the number of tips about content potentially featuring minors that were reported to the NCMEC CyberTipline, often by groups who have a huge legal and financial (not just moral) incentive to overreport rather than underreport. Tips largely come from tech companies, though also from international hotlines, government officials, activist groups, and the general public. A tip simply means that someone raised suspicions about a post or picture, not that the person behind it was necessarily a minor (or even a real person; NCMEC notes that tips may be about computer-generated imagery). One image, ad, or video could be the subject of multiple reports, as well.

According to Palantir's Angela Muller, "viral" content that spurs a lot of reports about the same image or video has contributed to the rise in tips, with much of the sharing being done by people who think they're helping by drawing attention to questionable posts.

Limiting NCMEC data to "cases with an identified victim and one or more adult offenders" yields much smaller numbers, thankfully. From July 2002 through June 2014, NCMEC identified 518 "actively traded cases" (which it defines as those "having been reported on five or more times" to the group's tipline) around the world, involving a total of 933 identifiable victims.

From July 2011 through June 2014, it found a total of 2,598 cases globally with identifiable underage individuals.

The number of tips to NCMEC has risen greatly over the past decade. Yet while many have reported on the rise, few offer any potential reasons for it other than rising rates of abuse and/or indifferent tech companies. This presents a misleading picture, since much of the increase can be attributed to better tech tools and an increasingly proactive approach from tech companies, as well as an increasing number of them partnering with NCMEC.

Pornhub started working with NCMEC in 2019. "In early 2021, NCMEC will release our total number of reported CSAM incidents alongside numbers from other major social and content platforms," says the company.

Tech companies are required by law to report potential CSAM when alerted to it.

For social media and other tech entities, growing legal and political pressure around online content moderation generally has coincided with better tools for identifying and filtering out obscene content and underage imagery. This means more red flags raised, and more required reporting, even absent any actual increase in illegal content.

Notably, CSAM numbers do include pictures and videos taken and shared by minors without any adult knowing. So greater numbers of young people owning their own photo- and video-capable phones and having access to social media sites might also explain part of the rise in reported numbers.

According to the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF), "self-generated sexual content featuring under-18s now accounts for nearly a third of all actioned child sexual abuse material online by the IWF."

Instead of chasing selfie-taking teens, tech execs, payment processors, and sex workers, authorities should focus on enforcing existing laws against those actually committing crimes or posting images of abuse. No one except abusers thinks that abusers should get away with this. But as long as tech companies are making good faith efforts to stop abusers from posting content, and cooperating with authorities to identify such content, they can be partners of law enforcement, not enemies. They are the ones in the best position to help recognize illicit content and report it, as well as to provide records that can help in prosecutions.

If you want to catch child abusers and other porn predators—while also protecting victims and workers—you should work with companies like Pornhub, not against them.

Yet for groups like NCOSE and Exodus Cry, and politicians seeking excuses to get government backdoors into encrypted communications, that will not do. Instead, we get a lot of hype about how tech companies—particularly the ones without many friends in Washington—and general data privacy protections are the real issue.

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    1. If China thinks it can be done without the fear of a U.S. response, Taiwan is done in the next 4 years.

      1. Response? The Democrats would be delighted. Taipei has been screwing up their East Asia narrative for years.

      2. The U.S. can’t let that happen, because of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. That company makes most of the chips used in smart phones and other advanced electronics. It would take the U.S. about 5 years to get a new plant going on U.S. soil. If China invades Taiwan, the U.S. has to respond.

        1. I don’t think they’ll invade, but if they did, and took the foundries intact…why couldn’t the US just decide to buy ICs from the PRC at that point, versus Taiwan/TSC? God only knows what crap the PRC would stick on new chips though…

          1. In fact that would likely be China’s strategy. “Don’t worry, world, we’ll keep shipping you widgets. Just look the other way while we put our wayward son back in his place. Really, this is no different from the whole Hong Kong thing, and we kept all the trains running on time for you then, right?”

            1. China is already in violation of its Hong Kong treaty. However the treaty is only with Britain, so only they have standing to call China out on it, and they haven’t yet. Taiwan might give them an excuse.

          2. That’s exactly the problem. The chips could not be used in anything with a security requirement.

            1. Great! You’ve just made the DoD use case for building out a new bespoke series of fabs in the US! Make Fab25 great again!

              1. Bespoke? What are you, British?

    2. Taiwan may become Communist at some point. Paraphrasing the late Jerry Pournelle, “One day, China will be yelling at the US and Taiwan, about Taiwan. The next day, the US will wake up to find China and Taiwan yelling at the US, about Taiwan.”

      It won’t be by invasion though. China has a gun pointed at its own head with the Three Gorges Dam. It would take a nuke to breach it, in all likelihood (though you never know…), but if breached with a nearly full reservoir, the estimates I saw were 100 to 150 million dead Chinese. As well as the hearts carved out of several major cities along the Yangtze, Wuhan among them. IMHO, Taiwan’s leadership will do just that if threatened with an invasion, the Chinese can’t stop it, and everyone knows it. They certainly can scare Taiwan though, and do it frequently.

      Conquering Taiwan does not address China’s large problems of: a lack of food for its growing population or a lack of young, marriageable women for its unmarried men. The Philippines helps with both. Taiwan: 23.7 million, the Philippines 110.2 million. PI skews younger, too. Arable land Taiwan, 9790 km^2. PI. 115,000 km^2.

      Plus, the PI helps cement PRC claims on a lot of those pesky O&G and fisheries claims in the South China Sea. And the PI doesn’t have nukes.

      I expect a China sliding into the old seat of the US—rebuilding a Clark AFB, modernizing Subic, etc—in lieu of Red Dawn. But that’s where I expect the PRC to flex nuts next. Though only after they can ensure their population won’t starve in the next 6-9 months.

      1. Professional gambler Nick the Greek wrote in his autobiography that to be a good gambler, you need to have the frame of mind that you wouldn’t especially mind if you became bankrupt tomorrow. You’d just find a way to get rich again the next day.

        China has the cultural, not just governmental, frame of mind that they wouldn’t especially mind if they lost 100 billion people in a war. They don’t value human lives because they have too many. That puts them in the perfect position to play nuclear war with us. They could lose twice our population and happily accept our surrender afterwards.

        Do you want to sit down at that gaming table against them?

        1. Appearing crazier than the other guy has been a MAD strategy since Kahn. I don’t think—from the PRC’s point of view—the juice is worth the squeeze on a Taiwan invasion, and that other targets are riper and juicier. They may differ.

          In a hypothetical (because they’re getting what they want, well short of such extreme measures) strategic nuclear confrontation with the US, the US would cease to exist as a large polity, IMHO. I think orgs such as NTI are hilariously underestimating the deterrent capabilities of the world’s premier industrial superpower. 300 warheads?! LOL. But the PLA leadership group and every major city would also no longer be viable. Who’s going to accept the US surrender? Mongolia? Vietnam? Maybe the Yakuts would still be extant?

          It’s a long ways from the nuclear overkill of the late 70s, albeit I wouldn’t bet against a ‘spoilsport’ CRISPR-aided Captain Trips equivalent existing on either side, but a billion people dying in such a cataclysm, doesn’t sound unbelievable.

      2. I’ve heard the same from other sources. China taking the Philippines also would enable then to blockade Taiwan if they chose to do so.

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  1. I fear this question, but what would come up if you entered “Elizabeth Nolan Brown” into Pornhub’s search window?

    1. Jacob Sullum bondage porn is all you’d see if you did that search.

      1. So you’re saying we should shut it down?

    2. I tried. Got nothing. But I’d be happy to make something with her and submit it.

      1. You’re probably the wrong gender for that, sarc.

        1. And a cuck.

          1. I didn’t even know what that word meant until people like you on this forum started saying I watched other men have sex with my wife. Shouldn’t you be joining up with Tulpa when he says I screw my daughter? You call me a cuck. Why not accuse me of incest while you’re at it? C’mon, JesseAz, be one of the cool kids.

            1. You really hate the cool kids, huh. Had a rough high school life, didn’t you.

              1. You must miss being one of the cool kids, huh. Life peaked in high school, downhill ever since.

                1. Nope, things are still great. Even better because I’m not bitter about the past.

        2. I’m pretty sure she’s hetero. Seriously though, she’s got to be pretty secure in herself to write about (and defend) the things she writes about. I don’t always agree with her, but he’s got Moxie. I think she’d be fun in bed.

          1. she’s got to be pretty secure in herself to write about (and defend) the things she writes about

            Secure or completely morally/egotistically/intellectually compromised. There are plenty of two-bit whores who would stab her in the back to do what she does and more, for much less. There’s plenty of evidence in her body of writing to indicate that she doesn’t give a shit about the truth or anyone’s agency as much as she cares about a paycheck.

            1. Tell us how you really feel….

              Seriously though, criticizing her for doing what she need to do for a paycheck? Dude….

              1. Maybe I wasn’t clear. The people who would stab her in the back and do it just for a paycheck would be more honest, principled, and scrupulous. The real problem isn’t doing what she needed to do to get a paycheck, the problem is doing what she didn’t need to do to earn a paycheck. She didn’t have to lie to earn a paycheck. She didn’t have to back murderers, thieves, and child molesters to earn a paycheck. She didn’t have to horse trade one woman’s agency for another’s to earn a paycheck.

                1. She didn’t have to back murderers, thieves, and child molesters to earn a paycheck. She didn’t have to horse trade one woman’s agency for another’s to earn a paycheck.

                  You say that as if it’s self evident. I often don’t agree with her, but I never attributed it to bad motives on her part.

                  1. Motives are irrelevant. I don’t care whether a toaster chose to burn down a house rather than make toast. It’s objectively worse than a toaster that simply makes toast.

                    If she chose to back murderers and thieves because she lacked the will/thought to do otherwise, she’s a discredit to her (and women’s as much/little she represents it) agency. If she exercised her agency and chose to back murderers and thieves, she’s a discredity to her/women’s agency.

                    And, my bad, it was thieves, murderers, and serial rapists of infirm elderly women.

            2. Jesus, dude. What did your ex do to you to make you hate women so much?

              1. I said whores, you assumed women.

          2. I think she’d be fun in bed.

            Ew, hard pass.

    3. You would get a home made video of Mikey raping his ENB doll made from styrofoam and old pantyhose.


  2. To make their cases against Pornhub, then, crusaders often resort to using statistics in weaselly ways, designed to help casual readers draw false impressions.

    And why not? It worked for COVID, it can work here too.

    1. Same with guns, conflating homicides with suicides and any number of hijinks. Their ends, being based on sound moral positions, justifies by any means necessary to achieve them.

    2. When moral crusaders resort to weaselly statistics to generate false impressions, they’re hypocrits.

      When women resort to weaselly statistics to generate false impressions about things like dress size, bust size, or number of sexual partners, it’s the moral crusaders’ fault.

  3. Actually they and the scumbag left that supports degenerate behavior are exactly the problem.

    Anyway good to see we’re back on track here with hookers strippers drug dealers and porn as the real topics of today.

  4. The case against the popular pornography site rests on misleading data and hidden agendas.

    But that’s never the case with Facebook, Twitter and Google’s censorship of the unwoke, right ENB? Then it’s just legitimate businesses deciding who to serve, right? No outside political agendas at work there…

    I’m sorry ENB but you so thoroughly destroyed your credibility on this subject with Twitter and Google censorship, that any protests you make on behalf of Pornhub is rank hypocrisy.

    1. Totally. She should write articles explaining why it should be shut down. That would be more honest. And moral. And correct.

      1. How would it be correct?

  5. I dedicate this to ENB.

  6. The real solution is to find a way to make people under 18 uninterested in sex. Perhaps some manner of drug supplements and hormone treatments. It’s all for their own good. For the children.

  7. So the nyt ran a story that completely lied about porn hub causing visa and Master card to unperson them. So porn hub and Johnson and Johnson are 2 companies that have been royally fucked by the nyt. I hope they get sued out of existance

    1. It’s sad to see the solid journalism of the New York Times be duped by right-wing Christian groups.

      1. Who hasn’t duped the NYT?

  8. “Those most loudly denouncing the clip site and calling for its demise say a new push to shut down Pornhub is a matter of stopping child abuse.”

    Standing between the American people and free Pr0n is probably the dumbest place to be in American politics.

    You know how everybody knows that electric neck massagers aren’t really intended for women’s necks?

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Wand-Massager-Women-Couple-Electric-Handheld-Massager-20-Vibration-Modes-8-Speeds-Rechargeable-Quiet-Waterproof-Cordless-Neck-Shoulder-Back-Foot-Musc/992691097

    The only worse kept secret may be that Americans of all parties and persuasions love them some pr0n. It’s the real third rail of politics. If you want to survive, don’t touch it.

    1. P.S. Speaking of mainstream pr0n, AT&T finally capitulated to Roku over HBOmax. You’ll be able to download HBOmax on Roku tomorrow.

      HBOmax will be rolling out a free tier sometime after Christmas. I wonder if that’s due to competition from PornHub?

      1. HBO is becoming the most Woke Streaming Service in all of Christendom. I’m about to cancel if it gets any worse.

        1. Maybe the new stuff. There’s still the back catalog, and from The Sopranos to GoT, that’s some quality mainstream pr0n.

          Millions of Americans still haven’t seen the back catalog. They’re gonna love it, especially if it’s on the free tier.

          That would be f’n revolutionary if you could get quality, mainstream, high production T&A on the free tier. That’s PornHub level quality at a PornHub level price.

        2. At least they warn you about SMOKING along with murder, rape, “strong” language, and ultra-violence.

      2. Ken Shultz bowdlerizing the word “porn” is the funniest thing I’ve seen on here today.

        1. What are you, 14 years old?

          I think people have been spelling it that way on the internet since before AOL.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet#Pr0n

          1. I think you are the juvenile one here, Ken.

            1. You know what “LOL” means, right?

            2. Oh shit, Chipper. You think Ken bowdlerized it as Pr0n? Is this your first year on the internet?

              If you’re not under 15 you just seriously made a fool of the yourself.

    2. I don’t love porn. So I don’t get where you get the idea that Americans of all parties and persuasion are pro porn.

      This is more of Reason’s “Republicans are icky and you shouldn’t vote for them” nonsense. As if the ability to download free porn is what makes a “free” society.

      What’s funny is that banning stuff like porn, prostitution, and pot actually result (in the long term) a net increase in freedom, but libertarians can’t see past next week.

      1. I didn’t say they were pro-porn.

        Americans love them some free pr0n!

        They don’t talk about it. So what?

        Ask the shoppers in line at Walmart, and plenty of them will say they don’t support trade with China.

        Watch what they do. Don’t get too distracted by what people say.

        1. Pron is not the issue, block one pron site and two more will go into business. The real threat is that pornhub has become a large enough host to serve all the content that our techlords actually want suppressed.

          That was their fatal mistake.

          1. “The real threat is that pornhub has become a large enough host to serve all the content that our techlords actually want suppressed.

            That was their fatal mistake.”

            Yeah, this. And not mentioned by ENB at all, LOL.

            Wasn’t pornhub, a few months ago, hosting videos (for a brief time) from doctors pointing out COVID bullshit? After said videos got yeeted off youtube? Did they do it for election fraud videos too?

        2. Screeching anytime someone takes action against porn sounds pretty pro porn to me.

          And a lot of Walmart shoppers are idiots.

      2. banning stuff like porn, prostitution, and pot actually result (in the long term) a net increase in freedom

        How does that work?

        1. Fewer leftists

    3. Years ago I bought a personal massager from a drug store for a Secret Santa gift at work, because in my naiveté I thought they were things people used on their sore necks. It went to a young woman I worked with. I always wonder if it ever ended up in her cooch.

      1. Anything is a dildo if you are brave enough, haven’t you seem the meme? Also, I’ve seen videos of women using electric tooth brushes, so I am betting it did.

  9. Despite aggressive (and admirable) efforts to detect and report this content, research suggests that plenty of child sexual abuse material (CSAM) is slipping by Facebook filters and staff anyway.

    Give them a break, they’ve got their hands full deleting pro-Trump accounts.

    1. Ditto for wikipedia.

      The problem is not porn, it’s the samizdat they want to control

  10. To make their cases against Pornhub, then, crusaders often resort to using statistics in weaselly ways, designed to help casual readers draw false impressions. For instance, in a letter calling for Pornhub to be investigated, Sen. Ben Sasse (R–Neb.) weaves general numbers about Pornhub traffic and searches in with warnings about “the exploitation of human trafficking victims in pornography streamed over the internet.”

    Do you suppose they learned this tactic reading your articles smearing everyone you dislike as racist?

    1. I wouldn’t be surprised if ENB ghost-wrote for some of those campaigns. Reason gives her a (thin, fraying) veneer of libertarianism over her solid authoritarian, progressive core.

      1. ENB bitching about the aesthetics of our gallows.

    2. Those are the exact same tactics that lefties use to cancel conservatives on Facebook and Twitter, and ENB knew about them, and was perfectly fine with them, and even advocated for them.
      But now it’s her sacred cow getting gored, and all of a sudden it’s just awful.

      Bloody hypocrite.

  11. Another news item today, and it’s directly relevant here: The US Comptroller of the Currency has proposed a regulation that would make access to the banking system a civil right, hopefully preventing both any future Operation Choke Point and the kind of blacklisting that Visa practices (not only against porn but against non-woke political viewpoints).

    US citizens can review and comment on the new rule here.

  12. These anti-porn people are everywhere man. You guys have spent so much time being hysterical about phantom communists that you missed the Christians trying to steal your porn. It’s always the Christians. They are the threat to your freedom, as they always have been. There are no communists. But the people stealing your porn from under your nose want you to think there are.

    1. When Iceland made porn illegal and the UK firewalled it because it was “anti-feminist”, it was secretly those awful xtians.

      When Japanese censors put blurs over genitals in porn, it’s secretly those awful xtians.

      When the Chinese communists place pornographers in labour camps for corrupting morals, it’s secretly those awful xtians.

      When Iranian cops hang pornographers by the neck from cranes in soccer stadiums, it’s secretly those awful xtians.

      Tony see’s Christians like Hitler saw Jews, secretly pulling the levers of power behind everyone’s back. He never stops to think that somehow this oppressive, prudish country of his delusions produces 90% of the worlds porn.

      If Tony were remotely honest he ponder why out of the many officially atheist countries that have existed, every single one of them made porn illegal.
      But he won’t…
      Because he’s a piece of shit demagogue.

      1. Porn was illegal in the USSR also. And is only sort of legal under Putin.

    2. Might want to check out the Islamic countries views on porn. Hell, on women even showing their face in a lot of cases.

    3. Also, a lot of anti porn activist are females usually leftist feminists.

      1. They also tend to be some of the most vocal anti-prostitute activists.

      2. RadFems are not “leftist” feminists; they are populist feminists.

    4. Man, I sure hope you don’t ever find out about Kamala Harris’ track record with these kinds of things….

  13. The numbers are pretty amazing. Pornhub went from 13.5 million videos to 2.9 million in an instant. A little pressure from politicians and other busybodies, they get canceled by Visa and Mastercard, then they bend the knee and voluntarily delete 78% of their content. Now that this pattern is established, how many other targets do you think they’ll be reaching for this tool against?

    1. The pattern was established a long time ago. See Craigslist.

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  16. A private company like Visa decided it would not allow its platform to be used by a private company like Pornhub for its own reasons, rightly or wrongly. Why are a bunch of so-called libertarians bitching about this or erroneously claiming a violation of the First Amendment?

    1. The words “First Amendment” do not appear in the article or comment section as of the time of this posting, with the exception of your post I’m replying to

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  18. Of course. Most people have major sexual hangups, stemming from shame and a general lack of intelligence. ENB writes a rational and logical piece, once again.

    1. Are you her mom or her boyfriend or something?

  19. “First, they go after the user-generated content platforms like Pornhub (or OnlyFans, or Craigslist and Backpage before them). Then they go after anyone who does business with the platform, from credit card companies and other payment processors to the web hosting services, software, and advertisers that power them. Ultimately, the target becomes anyone enabling adult sex workers to actually work more safely and independently and to profit from their work.”

    Sounds like these crazy fundies are learning from their radical leftist counterparts.

    1. Don’t be so sure that the two groups aren’t together on this, it won’t be the first time, nor the last that their interests and goals overlap.

  20. I’m sure the future Harris Administration will put an end to this senseless persecution. I mean, it’s not like she helped put any other sex industry internet business in the ground by violating their first amendment rights.

  21. Sorry, I have bigger concerns than porn companies having issues.

  22. Don’t get your webcam in an uproar, sweetie. You can still get as nekkid as you want. But thanks for the heads up (hah) that Big Tech’s next big thing (hah again) is prostitution and pimping. Fits right in (hah and hah again) to their value system.

    This comment not approved by Silicon Valley brain slugs (or pimps).

  23. It’s kind of funny, pornhub and a lot of these sites have spent years moralizing and now are on the other end of the moralizing. No I don’t feel sorry for pornhub. There has been quite a lot of news over the years about how much revenge porn, cp, and similar have been on the site for years despite reports and ph would just drag their heels over it.

    Then once it looked like they might be getting some negative attention over it, they massively overcorrected, but against a completely different target. Which lead to instances where all sorts of hentai content for potentially being seen as rape, meanwhile actual rape videos were still on there.

    Now the actual consequences are coming, and despite Reason’s defense of them, I very much doubt that Porhhub itself will be punished. Rather they will just overcorrect again.

    You can see this kind of behavior time and time again, the subject doesn’t have to be porn. For instance, Youtube has gone through several “adpocalypses”, most of which they could have avoided (with plenty of warnings), and yet they always did nothing until it could not be contained, and then passed all consequences onto their userbase. I suspect Pornhub will do the same.

  24. There are so many porn sites nowadays, but, let’s accept the fact the Pornhub is the most popular porn site.

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