Election 2020

Trump's Desperate Conspiracy Theories Won't Save His Presidency, but They Might Save His Ego

The only person he needs to convince is himself.

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When Donald Trump claimed he would have won the popular vote in 2016 if it weren't for "the millions of people who voted illegally," he was only trying to magnify his victory over Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Now that he seems to be losing a presidential election, his desperate scramble for explanations has produced conspiracy theories that make his 2016 fantasy pale by comparison. Here are a few of the things the president seems to believe, judging from his remarks at the White House last night.

Joe Biden can win only with "illegal votes."

"If you count the legal votes, I easily win," Trump said. "If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from us. If you count the votes that came in late, we're looking to them very strongly, but a lot of votes came in late."

This is a testable claim. Trump is saying that Biden can win the election only if mail-in ballots that arrived after Election Day, which he deems "illegal," are counted. Yet in Pennsylvania, whose 20 electoral votes would clinch Biden's victory, the former vice president has pulled ahead of Trump even without including late-arriving ballots. "The votes being counted in Pennsylvania do not include any mail ballots arriving after Nov. 3," New York Times reporter Nick Corasaniti notes. "Those are being kept segregated. This count is for votes in by Election Day."

Election officials in states run by Democrats are manufacturing votes for Biden.

"They're trying to steal an election," Trump said. "They're trying to rig an election, and we can't let that happen….The voting apparatus of those states [is] run in all cases by Democrats. We were winning in all the key locations by a lot, actually, and then our numbers started miraculously getting whittled away in secret….They want to find out how many votes they need, and then they seem to be able to find them. They wait and wait, and then they find them, and you see that on Election Night."

Trump's only evidence of the massive, orchestrated fraud he describes is that election results shifted as more votes were counted. But that is a common election phenomenon, and this year it has been magnified by Trump's attacks on voting by mail, which fostered a Democratic tilt in those late-counted ballots.

Contradicting his thesis that Democrats are manufacturing mail-in ballots to assure Biden's victory, Trump complained about vote counting in Georgia, which has a Republican governor and secretary of state. "In Georgia, I won by a lot, a lot, with a lead…getting close to 300,000 votes on Election Night," he said. "And by the way, [it] got whittled down, and now it's getting to…a point where I'll go from winning by a lot to perhaps being even down a little bit."

Exactly who is conspiring against Trump in Georgia? "The election apparatus in Georgia is run by Democrats," he said. That will be news to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

Pollsters deliberately overestimated support for Biden.

"As everybody saw, we won by historic numbers, and the pollsters got it knowingly wrong," Trump said. "They got it knowingly wrong. We had polls that were so ridiculous, and everybody knew it at the time….As everyone now recognizes, media polling was election interference in the truest sense of that word, by powerful special interests."

While it is true that the "blue wave" predicted by many surveys never materialized, Trump is positing that a cabal of pollsters deliberately discredited their profession by conspicuously failing (once again) to anticipate the election results. Why would they do that?

"They thought there was going to be a big blue wave," Trump said. "That was false. That was done for suppression reasons."

Here Trump is making two contradictory claims. The pollsters "thought there was going to be a big blue wave," and they were mistaken. At the same time, they were wrong on purpose, because they wanted to suppress Republican turnout.

"These really phony polls…were designed to keep our voters at home, create the illusion of momentum for Mr. Biden and diminish Republicans' ability to raise funds," Trump said. "They were what's called suppression polls, everyone knows that now, and it's never been used to the extent that it's been used on this last election."

Did polls suggesting a Biden victory demoralize Republicans, as the president assumes? It seems at least as plausible that such polls would motivate Trump's supporters to vote. If pollsters really were determined to defeat Trump, shouldn't they have predicted a landslide for him, which would have suggested to his supporters that they needn't bother voting?

Even assuming that pollsters were willing to sacrifice their reputations in order to get Biden elected, and that they all secretly agreed to do so, Trump suggested that strategy was a spectacular failure. "We grew our party by 4 million voters," he said, and had "the greatest turnout in Republican Party history….We won by historic numbers." Yet Trump also said pollsters are "not stupid people," an assessment that seems to be at odds with his claim that they ruined their reputations for nothing.

Is anyone buying this? The headline of the New York Post story about Trump's comments—"Downcast Trump makes baseless election fraud claims in White House address"—suggests that his fact-free conspiracy theories have limited appeal. They certainly will not impress the courts as they consider the Republicans' post-election lawsuits. Maybe Trump is feeding anger and resentment among his most credulous supporters, but to what end? So he can keep his base energized in anticipation of a comeback in 2024, when he will be as old as the opponent he portrayed as dangerously past his prime?

Trump's 2020 excuses, like his claims about the popular vote in 2016 and the size of the crowd at his inauguration, serve no obvious purpose except to protect his supersized ego—in this case, to assure himself that he is a winner even when he loses. That explanation is consistent with everything we know about Trump from his decades as a public figure, including his "truthful hyperbole" as a businessman, his relentless boasting and self-promotion, his boundless vanity, and his legendarily thin skin. Unless he has been playing an extremely long con on us, it may be time to accept that Trump is exactly what he seems.

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  1. You’re missing the big picture – if Trump has lost the election it can only mean that he has failed to curry enough favor with Vladimir Putin. Everybody knows the Russians control our elections.

    But wait! If Joe Biden has won the election, that must mean……Biden’s a Putin puppet! I knew it! Commie bastards!

    1. Nah, because of the intrepid media investigations, America was wise to Putin’s Jedi Mind tricks. It’ll take more than an animated Gif this time, Ivan!

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      3. Trump’s Desperate Conspiracy Theories Won’t Save His Presidency, but They Might Save His Ego

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        The endless loyalty to their purism of LINOs at Reason and the party of 1% won’t save their ideology, or the democrats shafting them, but it might save their ego.

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    2. Don’t forget, Putin endorsed Joe Biden so we must start the collusion investigation on the day he takes office.

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      2. SPECIAL PROSECUTOR. And what about that 25th amendment thing? Maybe some faithless electors in the electoral college? Will they see the light and save us from the Senile Man? Will the media “normalize” the Biden presidency? Shouldn’t the FBI be getting FISA warrants to investigate the Biden Campaign? Pretty sure Biden violated the Logan act in Ukraine and China. Will the DOJ investigate?

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      1. The Federalist is about on par with Breitbart. It’s bullshit propaganda. Do you have a legitimate cite?

        1. Hey fucktard… try reading the article. They link and quote the election officials.

          My God some of you are dumb.

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          2. Actually, if you read that article, the only personnel it quotes are REPUBLICAN officials—NOT impartial election officials. And nowhere else does the article cite any actual EVIDENCE to back up its claims that some kind of “glitch” miscounted thousands of Republican votes as DemocratIC ones. All it offers are a bunch of hearsay claims about vote counters being locked in the dark and sundry other nonsense.

            And the article’s analysis itself is highly suspect. It says that the call of Michigan for Biden “surprised many” since Trump won the state in 2016—completely ignoring the fact that he BARELY won it in 2016, by less than 1 percentage point. Michigan rarely went for the Republican candidate in recent presidential election history, which is why it was considered part of Hillary Clinton’s “Blue Wall” in 2016. It’s not even remotely surprising that Biden would have won it this time around.

            Try brushing up on your own reading comprehension skills before you call other people childish names. 😉

            1. Trump won that Michigan county after a recount by 56% to 42% – take that and stuff it up your psychotic ‘Republican bias’ horn.

            2. Well, no, actually it refers to documented cases which are being adjudicated in court in the same state where Trump has already won a legal victory because Republican poll watchers have been provably excluded from watching polls, coincidentally at the exact same time when hundreds of thousands of ballots all for Biden arrived and were counted.

              If you ever get tired of being a subhuman piece of shit liar you can always just try telling the truth. Or better yet, make amends with humanity by killing yourself in the most gruesome and public manner possible. Up to you.

        2. Legitimate, like Reason?

          1. Its funny watching reason push federalist ideals today, like amash, while the leftitarians claim a website centered on federalism is fake news.

            1. It’s more funny watching you cry like a baby.

              1. RUSSIA! PEE PEE TAPE! WALLS ARE CLOSING IN!!!!!!!!

        3. Your logical fallacy is: Ad Hominem

          Ad hominem is a logical fallacy that involves a personal attack: an argument based on the perceived failings of an adversary rather than on the merits of the case. In short, it’s when your rebuttal to an opponent’s position is an irrelevant attack on the opponent personally rather than the subject at hand, to discredit the position by discrediting its supporter.

        4. Says a guy that plays with his diminutive pudendum while watching CNN. There is far more thought put into what is published on The Federalist and you will find on any media outlet.

          It is like the Romney vs Obama election when the filth we call the Democrat party had 59 districts in Philadelphia voting 19,605 to 0 for Hussein. Statistically it is impossible for that to happen anywhere but a cheating, Democrat controlled city.

          You’re on par with the Village Idiot.

      2. Recounts in Georgia, Michigan, WI, PA, AZ, and NV are coming.

        Michigan just had to admit they gave democrats 6,000 trump votes x 47 counties. 282,000 votes for Trump in Michigan.

        1. ^EXACTLY; The new results put Trump ahead of Biden.

          Antrim County initially reported that 62 percent of voters chose Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden for president. But the updated results show President Donald Trump received 56 percent of the approximately 17,000 votes, compared to Biden’s 42 percent.

          https://www.theepochtimes.com/michigan-countys-updated-results-show-flip-from-biden-to-trump_3568108.html

          What FLOORS me is the AP (associated press) gave Biden Michigan and one of Trumps Lawsuit was dismissed by a JUDGE with the statement; Votes were counted and Biden won already.

          THE JUDGE used AP-Screwed results to make a ruling??? WTF!

        2. And the heavily GOP county says the problem is now fixed. From the Detroit Free Press
          https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

          LANSING A failure to update software was the reason for a computer glitch that caused massive errors in unofficial election results reported from Antrim county, the Michigan Department of State said late Friday.

          “The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County clerk,” the state agency that oversees elections said in a news release.

          There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals, which were preserved on tapes printed from the tabulators, the state said. The problem occurred when the totals by precinct were combined into candidate county-wide totals for transfer to the state, using election management system software, the state agency said in a news release.

          “All ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results.”

          State officials did not immediately respond to questions about whether they track when and how local officials update their election-related software or whether local officials are required to report needed updates to the state, once they are completed.

          But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state.

          Antrim County on Thursday posted updated and revised numbers for the presidential and U.S. Senate races after discovering major errors in the numbers the county initially sent to the Secretary of State’s Office. The effect of the errors gave higher-than-accurate vote totals to Democratic candidates in the heavily Republican county.

          The revised numbers — arrived at after manually entering the results from printed tabulated tapes for all 16 precincts — show the northern Michigan county is still red, just not as dark a shade as it was in 2016.

          The county is reporting Republican President Donald Trump beat Democrat Joe Biden by about 2,500 votes, with Trump receiving 56% of the slightly more than  17,000 votes cast for president and Biden receiving 42%.

          Political observers had expressed shock early Wednesday when the county transferred numbers to the state showing Biden beating Trump by about 3,000 votes. Antrim is a Republican stronghold where local GOP officials have mostly run unopposed in recent elections.

          In 2016 in Antrim County, Trump got about 62% support, beating Democrat Hillary Clinton by about 4,000 votes.

          County Clerk Sheryl Guy told the Free Press Wednesday that officials sent the initial results to the state without checking them. But they later asked: “How could Democrats take over this county?” she said.

          Because most counties in the state — especially smaller ones — use the Dominion Voting Systems equipment that Antrim County does, concerns were raised this week about whether other county results could have been posted with errors.

          But that’s not the case, according to the Department of State, which stressed in the news release that the votes were correctly tabulated and the printed tapes showing the results were also accurate in Antrim.

          “In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results,” the release said. “Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results.”

  2. And what he is is nothing but a con man, who still has been able to con about 70M Americans, including the majority of commenters here. He’s conned vendors to his business, investors to his business (and yeah, stop with the debt to equity BS), and many of the people he attracted to be in his administration, as they will no doubt admit to.

    He’s in essence trying to blow the whole thing apart if he’s about to be booted…he will take anything and anyone down with him.

    This is what a child says “I didn’t lose. I won but it was stolen from me, everyone else cheated.”

    Here’s what a mature adult says “The people have spoken. Congrats to my opponent, and I will work with him if he asks to help America.”

    Fat chance on the latter from the current fascist wannabe we have currently as President. Remember when Obama’s admin and he himself did all they could to transistor with Trump? Think Trump will do that? Don’t make me laugh.

    1. Except Obama wasn’t Trump’s opponent. Between your child and mature adult, which one did Clinton behave like?

      1. In her concession speech she said this

        “Last night I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans.”

        Which is exactly what an adult would say. Which is exactly what the man-child Trump will NOT say.

        1. What do you think are the chances that Trump will even do a concession speech? He is gonna be the sorest loser ever.

            1. Hey look, Chipper’s sockpuppet agrees with Chipper!

          1. Let review the Constitution. Election day is currently on Tuesday following the first Monday of November.

            The Congress may determine the Time of chusing [sic] the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

            Allowing ballots postmarked after that date is unconstitutional. Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court not only modified the law, it violated the Constitution.

            The stupidity that characterizes your body of commentary is amazing.

            1. Fortunately the PA supreme court never ruled that ballots postmarked after election day should be counted, so your comment is irrelevant.

              1. You are correct. They only ruled that ballots with illegible or no postmarks at all, and with signatures that do not match those on file, and those that arrive after election day, should still be counted because fairness and democracy demand nothing less than elections being decided by untraceable envelopes that do not arrive on time, sent by people whose identities cannot be verified

                Oh, and the rule change was made ….. not by the Legislature, but by a PA court.

                If that rule change is struck down, and it should be, thousands of PA ballots may be tossed.

                1. now do AZ

                  and GA

                  it just so happens that in all these different elections the same shit happened. Trump up on election day votes, mail in / absentee flipped it to Biden. Is this liberal conspiracy going on in every state? How did he lose GA? How did he lose AZ? Are there 50 coordinated state elections to steal it from trump?

                  Maybe better to ask yourself how he could be so unpopular that he lost the swing states back to Biden, and could barely hold on to his staple red states. Almost lost NC, lost AZ, lost GA.

                  But ya its a conspiracy, sure. Its the imaginary ballots in PA that flipped it. Not the fucking red states he lost.

                  Take the L, get a better cult leader next time

          2. None. He’s a baby.

          3. He is gonna be the sorest loser ever.

            Clinton literally just got done saying a week before the election that she was robbed. And you’ve been pushing Russia conspiracy theories for 4 fucking years literally every day while Trump lives rent free in the vacuous space between your ears.

        2. And at the same time, the Steele Dossier was being shopped by people who said all the right things in public.

          Do you seriously think virtue consists solely in one’s public social signaling?

        3. Is that why The Hag wrote an entire book blaming everyone but herself for her loss?

          Goddamn but you’re a stupid piece of shit.

      2. By the way, you don’t have to be the opponent to the current President to transist with the incoming one. It’s what an adult would do. He won’t.

        1. What about opening an FBI investigation on tbe incoming president? Is that also what an adult would do?

          God you democrat fanboys are pathetic.

          1. What about opening an FBI investigation on tbe incoming president? Is that also what an adult would do?

            Only if they also illegally spied on the incoming president by lying to a secret court.

      3. Clinton behaved like a mature adult. Did she demand any recounts? Did she make any baseless and completely unproven claims of electoral fraud, just because the vote didn’t go her way. PLEASE.

        1. People who commit vot fraud generally don’t ask for recounts.
          Hey, thanks for pointing out more circumstantial evidence supporting the likelihood of fraud!

          1. More proof that the absence of evidence is the evidence.

    2. Sleep well knowing you support the corrupt lying democrats who conned you into voting for far left policies. You’re a dupe living in a fantasy world but if you wish to be a tool go right ahead. People here love beating the shit out of you.

      1. I’ll sleep real well, thanks! Hey…wear your mask, ok?

        Best,
        Jack

        1. Never fell for Lefty kungflu hysteria. Domt wear a mask anywhere.

          Trump vs Biden will be a great way to toss illegal ballots and Trump wins reelection. Thank Gore for setting that SCOTUS precedent.

          1. you lost in your own state, Trump cant even carry red states.

            he is unpopular, take the L kid

    3. Here’s what a mature adult says “The people have spoken. Congrats to my opponent, and I will work with him if he asks to help America.”

      Just like Hillary did!

    4. “”And what he is is nothing but a con man,””

      Are you new to politics? It’s cons all the way down.

    5. Yep. Conned us right into deregulation and lower taxes. I feel jipped.

      1. And screw that ME normalization with Isreal. Better to give billions to Iran to develop their missile tech for 10 years before they finish their nukes.

      2. Send some money to his legal defense, ok?

    6. As soon as I find the word “fascist” or “Hitler” in a comment, I know I’m reading the wisdom of an idiot.

      One can make a far more compelling argument that it was Obama, a racist ex-crackhead, that was far more fascist in how he ruled this country. Remember his whimsical admiration for the communist Chinese government and how they could enforce their will without the encumbrance of a legislature to restrict it?

      1. Enjoy your evening! I will!

        Best,
        Jack

        1. Found another cache of kiddie porn on the dark web, pedophile?

      2. When did Obama ever express “whimsical admiration for the communist Chinese government and how they could enforce their will without the encumbrance of a legislature to restrict it”?? I remember Thomas Friedman saying some B.S. like that years ago…never Obama.

        1. Let’s go ahead and refresh your memory then you stupid piece of radical left wing dog shit.

    7. Trump should just leave now. He’s done more than enough damage already. The real problem is that his zealots will keep conservatism from being voiced by a major party for quite some time. We need a left and a right. Now we just have left and stupid.

      1. You sound sane today sane.

      2. Exactly. You nailed it. Trump is Trump. He’s always been a con man looking to fill his pockets at the expense of suckers. All his sycophants, most of the commenters here, are the latest who he has taken advantage of. It’s those sycophants who are more pathetic than him.

        Here is what will happen…he will start a new media network. Ask for money and donations, and these idiots here will do it. They’ll donate to his legal defense.

        They are buffoons. He’s counted on them all his life. They’re here at Reason.

        1. Every policy you’ve ever advocated, every position you’ve taken, has the known effect of forcibly taking money from the working and middle class to give to a cadre of rulers and cronies.
          You want feudalism, we want liberty.

          1. “They are buffoons. He’s counted on them all his life. They’re here at Reason.

            You nailed it. Trump is Trump. He’s always been a con man looking to fill his pockets at the expense of suckers. All his sycophants, most of the commenters here”

            And Nardz comes along to answer the call looking like a thirsty hooker at a benjamin. Way to be a predictable, lil bitch

        2. Psychological projection is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves by attributing them to others. For example, a bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target. It incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping. Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.

      3. No, the real problem is that totalitarians are trying to steal an election via 3rd world dictator style fraud, and if they succeed in doing so will have a mandate to do anything they want – regardless of what the senate or Supreme Court says.

        The real problem, for you, is that we may actually fight for this country, and you’ve left us no option for retaining freedom other than the most extreme, merciless violence.

        1. You’re a weak blowhard who would never do anything that would endanger your couch and jelly donut. But have a great evening, ok?

          Best,
          Jack

          1. Fuck around and find out Shreeky. Go LARP as a revolutionary like Garrett Foster some time instead of sitting on your bloated fat ass jacking your micropenis to kiddie porn and Portland Antifa footage.

          2. Keep pushing faggot. Your kind are so close to giving real Americans a valid pretext to slaughter you.

            God help you if you do. Since you’re all so stupid as to not understand that we have all the guns, and all the training and experience.

            1. your yearly paintball excursions with your queer larping wanna be militia dont count as training, bitch

              what you and nardz will do is piss and moan like the impotent little bitches you are, go grab another handful of cheetos, froth over your keyboard, rinse and repeat until you need your next viagra refill.

              do yourself a favor, work on yourself, work on some meditation, relaxation, something. or go bust some heads at an antifa rally until they swarm you and curb stomp your ass. either way, the world will be better with less of them and less of you.

      4. And you’re a bleeping moron. You should stick your head back into your shorts and gnaw on your chicken sandwich.

    8. Jackand Ace, you are a brave soul for setting foot into this fetid sewer infested by slithering and snapping antidemocratic Trump zombies posing as libertarians.

      1. They’re all blowhards. Tough guys behind a keyboard.

        1. Hey look, shreek agrees with his sockpuppet!

    9. One day he’s a fascist, the next day he’s a fascist wannabe.

      Make up your mind, tankie.

      1. He wannabe be President for 4 more years. He actualabe nothing but a loser. Like you!

        Enjoy your evening!

        Best,
        Jack

    10. who still has been able to con about 70M Americans

      You’re not conned. The corporate media wouldn’t do that to a smart person like yourself.

  3. Trump lost. His cheerleaders here were dead wrong in all their predictions.

    lol

    1. – I predicted that it will a close call
      – I predicted that Trump will lose the absolutely irrelevant popular vote by a slightly bigger margin
      – I predicted that he’ll lost a slight amount of white support
      – I predicted that he’ll gain on all fronts from the minority margins, including gays et al
      – I predicted that he’ll most definitely take FL
      – I predicted that the ‘polls’ will be utterly wrong, well outside their margin of error (Wisconsin +17… ridiculous)

      So to sum it all up, I was more correct than I was wrong, and I was certainly better at predicting the outcomes, than mainstream media, pollsters and pundits such as Nate Silver. Trump had not yet conceded, and Biden had not yet won, since a President is elected by the electors, not by the winner of the mainstream media ‘calls’. A lot of things can happen between now and inauguration day, so we’ll see how it’ll pan out…

      1. So is it Steelers or Ravens?

      2. Such as Reason’s Stossel as well. In the middle of election night his site predicted a Trump win.

        1. I’m still convinced that he won though, since he did indeed win on ED. We cannot be certain of anything that has been delivered after ED, nor can we trust the counting and results.

          The democrats wanted that the moment they enforced a ridiculously dodgy change to the election system less than 2 months prior to ED. If they would be honest, they would never have done this. If they would be honest, they would never have allowed additional shenanigans related to signature, postmark, and deadline. If they were honest, they would have allowed the republicans to monitor the process. Alas, it is obvious that their not honest, the only question is, how far their disingenuous scheming went?

          1. “He won on ED.” Just because Trump claimed victory and claimed there was fraud doesn’t make it true. The votes haven’t been all counted yet.

            Goddamn you Trump supporters are delusional.

              1. Hilary supporters didn’t claim fraud with no evidence. They pointed out she won the popular vote, but didn’t make baseless claims of voter or election fraud.

                Trump did make baseless claims despite winning in 2016. Sorry if I don’t take his claims seriously this time.

                1. Really? They say Russian interference gave Trump the election but could not point to a single instance of it in the vote count.

                2. Wait. So the last 4 years of Russia and their 100k in ads didn’t happen?!?

                  1. Russia has tried to meddle in our elections. I don’t think that by itself is a big deal.

                    Trump and his associates soliciting and accepting help from Russia is problematic.
                    “Russia if you’re listening”

            1. Enough examples of questionable behavior to support an assumption of fraud exists. The left become ostriches when it comes to the discussion of election fraud, sticking their collective heads back in the hole where it usually resides and pretend it doesn’t exist. The bottom line is that there is NO CHAIN OF CUSTODY for a mailed in ballot. As evidence, it is invalid in a court of law and it should be as evidence of a vote. Couple that with the courts interfering with state law to allow ballot signatures not to be verified and questionable postmarks to be permitted and we have a voting process that is a joke. There is no way to determine the validity of any mailed n ballot. Joe and the insistence that every vote be counted is a way to divert attention from the fraud.

              Then there is the sheer idiocy of Joe Biden which exceeds the idiocy of Trump. Joe will not be able to reenter us into the Paris agreement when he takes office because it is a treaty and must be ratified by congress. The fact that congress deferred that authority to Obama and illegally allowed him to enter into that treaty doesn’t mean that idiot Joe can unilaterally become a participant. It has to be ratified by Congress and if the Republicans hold the Senate, then that is not likely to happen. Even idiots like Sotomayor will have to agree that the President does not have the power to enter into a treaty without the consent of Congress.

              47 years in congress and Joe Biden is still the moron he was in college.

              1. If “Enough examples of questionable behavior to support an assumption of fraud exists” then you should have no trouble citing these examples or at least telling people where they can find info on them. I’ve seen all these anecdotes of ” fraud” or “irregularities” posted tonight and they’re all too vague to even look into.
                Someone earlier kept posting about 1000s of ballots in “swing states,” but wouldn’t post specific states.

                The Antrim Michigan stuff turned out to be cons exaggerating what happened and failing to mention the glitch had been fixed.

                It’s stupid to argue with people on here. This is the most closely watched, most scrutinized election ever. Any fraud, shenanigans, or irregularities will be caught if they happen.

                The most plausible explanation is Cons are doing what they accused Dems of doing in 2016. They’re trying to deligitamize/nullify/overturn the election before we even know who won.

            2. The Michigan Republican Party said on Friday that a software glitch led 6,000 Republican votes to be counted for Democrats in Antrim County, incorrectly flipping a typically red county blue and spurring demands by Republicans for other counties to check their tallies.

              The same software was used to tabulate votes in dozens of Michigan counties, said Laura Cox, chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party.

              “In Antrim County, ballots were counted for Democrats that were meant for Republicans, causing a 6,000-vote swing against our candidates. The county clerk came forward and said, ‘Tabulating software glitched and caused a miscalculation of the votes,'” Cox said in a Friday news conference. “We have now discovered that 47 counties used this same software in the same capacity.”
              Oops, there was a software glitch… that unfortunately stole thousands of votes from Trump and added it to Biden… and it may have affected 47 counties… where the republicans were not even allowed to monitor the counting process… oh and it was in Michigan, what are the chances, eh?

              1. It should be investigated and if there is wrong doing found those responsible should be held accountable.

                From the Detroit Free Press
                https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

                LANSING A failure to update software was the reason for a computer glitch that caused massive errors in unofficial election results reported from Antrim county, the Michigan Department of State said late Friday.

                “The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County clerk,” the state agency that oversees elections said in a news release.

                There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals, which were preserved on tapes printed from the tabulators, the state said. The problem occurred when the totals by precinct were combined into candidate county-wide totals for transfer to the state, using election management system software, the state agency said in a news release.

                “All ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results.”

                State officials did not immediately respond to questions about whether they track when and how local officials update their election-related software or whether local officials are required to report needed updates to the state, once they are completed.

                But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state.

                Antrim County on Thursday posted updated and revised numbers for the presidential and U.S. Senate races after discovering major errors in the numbers the county initially sent to the Secretary of State’s Office. The effect of the errors gave higher-than-accurate vote totals to Democratic candidates in the heavily Republican county.

                The revised numbers — arrived at after manually entering the results from printed tabulated tapes for all 16 precincts — show the northern Michigan county is still red, just not as dark a shade as it was in 2016.

                The county is reporting Republican President Donald Trump beat Democrat Joe Biden by about 2,500 votes, with Trump receiving 56% of the slightly more than  17,000 votes cast for president and Biden receiving 42%.

                Political observers had expressed shock early Wednesday when the county transferred numbers to the state showing Biden beating Trump by about 3,000 votes. Antrim is a Republican stronghold where local GOP officials have mostly run unopposed in recent elections.

                In 2016 in Antrim County, Trump got about 62% support, beating Democrat Hillary Clinton by about 4,000 votes.

                County Clerk Sheryl Guy told the Free Press Wednesday that officials sent the initial results to the state without checking them. But they later asked: “How could Democrats take over this county?” she said.

                Because most counties in the state — especially smaller ones — use the Dominion Voting Systems equipment that Antrim County does, concerns were raised this week about whether other county results could have been posted with errors.

                But that’s not the case, according to the Department of State, which stressed in the news release that the votes were correctly tabulated and the printed tapes showing the results were also accurate in Antrim.

                “In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results,” the release said. “Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results.”

                It should be treated skeptically because Ronna ROMNEY McDaniel is involved. Mormons are liars and cheats. They cannot be trusted.

                Fuck Ronna McMormon and her piece of shit family. Goddamn pervert worshipping fascists.

          2. Your entire post is one giant conspiracy theory. Democrats are unimpeachable, irreproachable, honorable people without any willingness to engage in partisan shenanigans. Any suggestion to the contrary is just you channeling your inner Alex Jones.

            Take a deep breath, and trust the government — it is the most libertarian thing you can do.

            1. Geiger Goldstaedt: is that German or Dutch or something?
              There’s plenty of people who aren’t Trump fanboys who are skeptical of the government. There’s a difference between being skeptical or vigalante, and simply screaming “FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD” before all the votes are counted.
              If there is any fraud or shenanigans it won’t be possible to keep it hidden.
              Trump and the GOP have been screaming fraud for years, but the only major election fraud was done BY REPUBICANS.
              If anything we should be making sure the GOP doesn’t cheat.

              1. “If there is any fraud or shenanigans it won’t be possible to keep it hidden.”

                Fraud, by its nature, is clandestine and difficult to uncover. Take a wild guess why fraud often flies under the radar.

                1. With all the attention and claims of fraud during this election I have a hard time believing someone wouldn’t discover it and expose it if it’s occuring.
                  Again Trump and the GOP have been screaming fraud for years but haven’t produced any evidence except the GOP cheating in North Carolina’s 9th in 2018. With

                  1. Fraud takes years to uncover, if it is uncovered, and is even committed by the people we are exhorted to trust unflinchingly.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/philadelphia-election-judge-admits-to-stuffing-ballot-boxes-for-democrats-in-three-separate-elections/ar-BB14qWhl

                    You are full of shit.

                    1. “you’re full of shit”
                      Sorry I missed that local Dem primary four years ago.
                      There’s a big difference between something like that happening in a local election and fraud in a presidential race.

                      There still isn’t any evidence to support the Trumpers claims. Maybe after all the votes are counted there will be, but I highly doubt it.

                    2. In a local election like that there’s less attention paid and people to look for fraud.
                      In this election you have every Trump supporter doing whatever they can to find evidence of fraud. It’s the most scrutinized and publicized election ever. I don’t know what’ll happen after the votes are done being counted, but if there’s anything fishy people will hear about it. By screaming about it before we know who won you’re just hurting your cause. Why should people believe Trump when he claimed there was fraud in 2016 but there wasn’t?

                    3. You know Lefties are worried about Trump fighting election fraud in court.

                      Trump won recounts in 2016.

                      They are sending in the bots to sabotage public opinion in support of fair elections without election fraud.

              2. And fraud has been occurring for years. A de facto example is that in every close race, the ballot fairy delivers enough Democrat ballots and the race is declared.

                Fanboys like you that possess the machismo of a squirrel are fond of calling people names from the anonymity of the internet.

                1. Please cite evidence of “ballot fairies” or at least point me in the right direction? Sorry I can’t just take your word for it.
                  I’m fond of calling out bs on the internet. I’m no more a pussy than you deplorable.

              3. So skeptical of government youre happy a statist running to vastly expand government won. Okay then. Youre just an idiot I guess.

              4. When a state ag refuses look into fraud it is quite easy to keep hidden retard.

                1. JesseAZ which state AG refused to look into fraud?
                  “Statist” haha! Haven’t heard that in a while. I don’t like Biden, but he’s not Trump. Maybe if the GOP nominated a candidate who wasn’t a goddamn reality show host turned racist crackpot uncle.

              5. If there is any fraud or shenanigans it won’t be possible to keep it hidden.
                Trump and the GOP have been screaming fraud for years, but the only major election fraud was done BY REPUBICANS.

                Has the part of you that knows Biden won legitimately because elections are never stolen talked with the part of you that knows Trump was illegitimate because the Russians stole the election for Trump. I’d like to see the two of them in conversation.

                1. “If there is any fraud or shenanigans it won’t be possible to keep it hidden.”

                  Why does everyone have a such hard time comprehending the nature of fraud? Bernie Madoff defrauded people for **at least** twenty fucking years, in large part, because nobody bothered to actually look.

                  1. Hahaha comparing a Ponzi scheme to the most covered and scrutinized election ever is just dumb.
                    Why do you have such a hard time realizing that Trump, his campaign and legal team, the GOP, many of his supporters, the media, and other countries are looking for fraud, irregularities, or whatever in this election?
                    Of course typically those who commit fraud try to hide it. Some don’t get caught.(talking about fraud in general not election fraud).

                    You Trumpers are doing exactly what you accused Dems of in 2016. The election isn’t even decided and you’re already trying to void/overturn/discredit it.

                    Can you at least wait until we know who won? If Trump wins will you be saying this?

                    1. “Why do you have such a hard time realizing that Trump, his campaign and legal team, the GOP, many of his supporters, the media, and other countries are looking for fraud, irregularities, or whatever in this election?”

                      The entire crux of their allegations is that they are NOT being permitted to do this by, among other things, being denied access to ballot tabulation facilities and for counts being performed in the dead of night when election officials claim there was no counting happening.

                      I know you understand this.

                    2. If that’s the case then you should be able to point to specific cases? If that’s happening people need to tell the media and get as many eyes on it as possible. I’m skeptical because it seems people are posting vague anecdotes about fraud that can’t be checked because they’re too vague or there’s no location. Then just say things like “the evidence is right there you’re just ignoring it.”
                      People were posting about a glitch in Michigan. They were posting what appeared to be text from articles saying it affected every county and gave Trump votes to Biden. When I actually looked up some articles about it that wasn’t the case at all. It was limited to one county and the problem had been corrected.
                      If you think there could be some kind of cover that’s just not realistic. There are too many people like you that cannot be convinced fraud isn’t taken place and any irregularities will be shouted from the white house. The problem is Trump has been making false claims about election or voter fraud for 4 years so it’s hard to know. It’s like the boy who cried wolf.
                      To be fair I’m dumb for arguing with you. So no matter what happens nothing will convince you there’s no election or voter fraud?

                2. GeoffB1972: I’ve never claimed the Russians stole the election. To be honest I don’t think their “meddling” is a big deal. Trump and his associates soliciting their help is concerning (Russia if you’re listening).

                  The GOP fraud I was referring to is North Carolina’s 9th district 2018.

                3. Michigan admitted to gave 6,000 Trump votes to Biden in “computer glitch”. System is used in 47 Michigan cointies.

                  Georgia has recount because of ballot irregularities.
                  Michigan has recount because of computer system “miscount”.
                  ….

                  1. From the Detroit Free Press
                    https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

                    LANSING A failure to update software was the reason for a computer glitch that caused massive errors in unofficial election results reported from Antrim county, the Michigan Department of State said late Friday.

                    “The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County clerk,” the state agency that oversees elections said in a news release.

                  2. Wasn’t able to post the whole thing:
                    From the Detroit Free Press
                    https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

                    LANSING A failure to update software was the reason for a computer glitch that caused massive errors in unofficial election results reported from Antrim county, the Michigan Department of State said late Friday.

                    “The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County clerk,” the state agency that oversees elections said in a news release.

                    There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals, which were preserved on tapes printed from the tabulators, the state said. The problem occurred when the totals by precinct were combined into candidate county-wide totals for transfer to the state, using election management system software, the state agency said in a news release.

                    “All ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results.”

                    State officials did not immediately respond to questions about whether they track when and how local officials update their election-related software or whether local officials are required to report needed updates to the state, once they are completed.

                    But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state.

                    Antrim County on Thursday posted updated and revised numbers for the presidential and U.S. Senate races after discovering major errors in the numbers the county initially sent to the Secretary of State’s Office. The effect of the errors gave higher-than-accurate vote totals to Democratic candidates in the heavily Republican county.

                    The revised numbers — arrived at after manually entering the results from printed tabulated tapes for all 16 precincts — show the northern Michigan county is still red, just not as dark a shade as it was in 2016.

                    The county is reporting Republican President Donald Trump beat Democrat Joe Biden by about 2,500 votes, with Trump receiving 56% of the slightly more than  17,000 votes cast for president and Biden receiving 42%.

                    Political observers had expressed shock early Wednesday when the county transferred numbers to the state showing Biden beating Trump by about 3,000 votes. Antrim is a Republican stronghold where local GOP officials have mostly run unopposed in recent elections.

                    In 2016 in Antrim County, Trump got about 62% support, beating Democrat Hillary Clinton by about 4,000 votes.

                    County Clerk Sheryl Guy told the Free Press Wednesday that officials sent the initial results to the state without checking them. But they later asked: “How could Democrats take over this county?” she said.

                    Because most counties in the state — especially smaller ones — use the Dominion Voting Systems equipment that Antrim County does, concerns were raised this week about whether other county results could have been posted with errors.

                    But that’s not the case, according to the Department of State, which stressed in the news release that the votes were correctly tabulated and the printed tapes showing the results were also accurate in Antrim.

                    “In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results,” the release said. “Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results.”

              6. Wayne County Michigan has been caught engaging in election fraud multiple times. And nothing else happened.

          3. No one first won and then lost. It’s a process of counting votes. When the votes are certified Biden would have won the entire time. Jesus, some people.

            1. Exactly and Biden does not have 264 EC. December is when electoral college votes are certified.

          4. We cannot be certain of anything that has been delivered after ED, nor can we trust the counting and results.

            So how can you trust the counting on Election Day? Isn’t it the same cadre of supposed election thieves in charge of counting on Election Day too?

      3. If Biden wins then Nate Silver’s “forecast” was correct for the presidency.

        When all the votes are counted it may turn out Florida was the only outlier.

        I know Trump and his supporters only want to count votes for rural areas and nowhere else. However every vote should be counted.
        That Biden and those Dems sure are kooks for wanting ALL the votes to be counted and saying everyone needs to be patient.

      4. Good calls.

        All election disputes must be resolved by December 8th so the real election can take place on December 14th. Al Gore ran into that wall in 2000.

    2. The walls are closing in!

    3. Trump will win more states than he did in 2016 thanks to Trump vs Biden SCOTUS case that fixes the election fraud in multiple states.

    4. I heard lots of predictions of election fraud through mail in ballots and as we can all see that’s completely false.

  4. Do the Reason writers not read the comments to the articles? I’ve been responding with something like 40 posts/morning with citations to Dem wrongdoing.

    People who supposedly doubt government are not even willing to consider governments rigging elections? Anyone who believes he’s “literally Hitler” like the left claims to wouldn’t hesitate to stuff a ballot box.

    1. Reason and its writers, I have concluded, are only pretending to be libertarians.

      For the first time in American history, we have a massive and unprecedented nationwide federal election operating under questionable parameters that were put in place at the eleventh hour, susceptible not only to fraud, but rank incompetence. Red flags abound.

      But, because Reason hates the incumbent President, they are trying to convince us that raising questions about the propriety of this election is synonymous with irrational, conspiratorial thinking.

      1. I wanted to cancel my Reason magazine subscription but it’s, like, $3.00 for five years so my prorata refund would be somewhere in the region of $1.50. I’ll stick with it because I’ve found more value in skipping most articles – including those by Mr. Sullum – and heading straight to the Comment section.

    2. No, for the most part they do not read the comments. They haven’t been worth reading because they are dominated by an infestation of Trump fanboys.

      1. And leftists pretending to be libertarians ….. ehem.

        1. seriously. WK has it bad for Trump fanboys.

      2. I know this is hard for you and Chipper, just like it was hard for Tony and Shriek, but disagreeing with you and noting that certain writers and posters don’t even try to make libertarian cases for their arguments doesn’t make us Trump fanboys.

    3. No matter what the left does, no matter how corrupt or dirty their actions are, they will always be to Reason libertarians what the flying pig was to Homer Simpson.

    4. I just read some interesting stuff about SCOTUS reviewing the PA court unilaterally rewriting a law from 2019 that specifically said all votes must be in by 8pm election day. If SCOTUS overturns it, that means all votes that came in the next day are nullified and Trump gets PA.

      1. What leads you to think any of that vote has been counted yet? The late arriving votes are being kept separate.

    5. Every morning they look at your bullshit claims and say “goddamn our website really brings out the morons.”

      If fraud is as rampant as much as Trump and his fanboys say it should be easy to prove. Or at least present evidence and have a court/the media/someone in power take it seriously.

      I’m gonna remain skeptical since Trump and cons have been screaming about fraud for years, but haven’t produced any evidence.

      1. It has been easy. Go read any of the statistical analysis articles. Go watch the video of dem agents telling people to back date ballot reception dates. Go watch them stop segregating ballots like the judge told them to do. Watch the video of them kicking out gop poll watchers and cheering.

        You aren’t ignorant, you’re just a partisan liberal.

        1. Do you have specific links or articles? Again you’re posting vague anecdotes that don’t seem like they can be verified.

      2. It is easy to prove. But when done with the complicity of Blue state politicians it is also probably constitutional so the courts will not intervene. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. Right now.

    6. It’s because Reason is a part of the media empire that the dems are running cover for.

    7. See latest Ra? Just a few thousand Republican votes from one district accidentally counting for Biden.

      https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/06/software-glitch-in-michigan-county-tallied-6000-republican-votes-as-democrat/

    8. I can tell you (having heard it directly from one Reason staffer) at least some of them no longer read the comments here, due to the lack of serious responses making it a poor use of time.

      Sullum sure didn’t jump to the conclusion the Russian collusion hoax was a conspiracy theory so fast. Trump sure changed the MSM’s habit of repeating what the president says as if it’s fact, like they did for Obama and you can keep your plan. Sullum even claims Trump’s only evidence is the fact that the race shifted in the later stages of vote counting, ignoring that Trump said he was going to supply evidence.

      I’m guessing Trump got a secret court order to put an invisible watermark and ID number on all the ballots so they could be verified at the printers supplying the ballots for the states, perhaps in jurisdictions showing voting problems and statistical impossibilities. Those statistical impossibilities (such as more voters in a district than on the voter roles, or ballot dumps with all the votes for one candidate) provide probable cause for a warrant. And what will happen, is a bunch of Democrats committing voter
      fraud will be going to jail.

      Heck, a Democrat election official, and former member of Congress, Michael Myers (not the comedian), was indicted for stuffing ballots a mere 6 months ago in Philly: https://www.fox29.com/news/feds-accuse-ex-philly-congressman-michael-ozzie-myers-of-stuffing-ballots And he was expelled from Congress for taking bribes in the 70s. But that link doesn’t have the important part:
      Myers, a Philadelphia-based two-term Democrat, is charged with conspiring with and bribing Domenick J. Demuro, a former Judge of Elections for the city’s 39th Ward, 36th Division. Demuro previously pleaded guilty in federal court for his part in the criminal conspiracy, and who DOJ says “was responsible for overseeing the entire election process and all voter activities of his division in accord with federal and state election laws.”

      Sullum apparently agrees with the political establishment and MSM, that election fraud doesn’t happen.

      I’ll wait to see Trump’s evidence, and I’m sure it’s a lot more than Sullum’s jumping conclusion of just normal vote shifting.

      1. Let’s see if you’re right about the watermarks. I doubt it will matter.

        The staff get slagged in comments because for pretty everyone but Gillespie, and Soave rarely, they slowly morphed starting around 2011 or so from decent Libertarian takes on issues, to something in practice indistinguishable from Vox.

        If I wanted to read Vox, I’d go there. I’m sorry that many of the writers can’t seem to get hired by their preferred publication.

  5. “We know fraud does not exist, and did not happen, and everything was legitimate, and that is why we are not even going to bother looking. If you want us to look for fraud, then prove it happened. Otherwise, it is just a conspiracy theory.”

    The circular logic on display at Reason all week has been …. enlightening, to say the least.

    1. No need to go looking for fraud.

      The people who would be suspected of fraud all told us that everything was done with total honesty.

    2. Just search the internet for recent news about Domenick J. Demuro, a former Judge of Elections for Philadelphia’s 39th Ward, who in the last 6 months, pleaded guillty to voter fraud, having been bribed by expelled (in the 70s) and convicted (of bribes in the Abscam scandal) former D congressman Michael “Ozzie” Myers who worked as a consultant for Democrat politicians in Philly.

      Is anyone surprised Democrat politicians are hiring ex-felons for their campaigns? I’d think a politician would prefer a clean image, via who they associate with and hire.

  6. Reason Koch libs helped tank a presidency. They support corrupt lying Biden and democrats.

    1. Reason commenters refuse to accept a Biden victory. They support corrupt, lying, stupid Trump.

      1. That’s not near as funny as white liberals that think they are anti-racist when they vote for the guy that helped black people receive longer prison sentences than white people due to their preferred form of cocaine.

      2. There has been no victory of any kind yet.

    2. The Koch’s didn’t support Biden, they just didn’t support Trump. Copied from a liberal site exposedbycmd.org:
      In federal races, CMD has documented Koch support for Vice President Mike Pence’s political committee, 19 Republicans running for U.S. Senate, and 151 Republicans and seven Democrats running for U.S. House. …
      At the state level, the Koch political network is supporting two governors, three state attorneys general, nine justices for state supreme courts, three judges for the Texas State Court of Appeals, 71 candidates for state senates, 167 for state house seats, and two running for the Texas Railroad Commission. Out of the candidates identified, only three of the senate candidates and eight of the souse candidates are Democrats.

  7. Reason and the pro-war ‘libertarians’ really kicking their TDS into overdrive like it’s going out of style.

  8. If it makes Trump feel psychologically better to believe it was a bunch of conspiracy theories that got him ousted, then good for him. We all have the right to fantasize about whatever we want. But right now, it looks like he will have to get the fuck out of the white house on January 20th. Or maybe he’ll be handcuffed and escorted out of the building. Now that would be fun to watch and probably highest ratings of anything on tv or internet. At least he’ll have that.

    1. You could call it a parting gift.

    2. Talk about having fantasies.

      1. I guess we won’t really know till 01-20-2021.

  9. https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/06/politics/donald-trump-election-2020/index.html

    Trump has told people he has no plans to concede even if his path to victory is blocked

    Out-take from there…
    Biden’s campaign voiced little concern at the prospect of Trump clinging to power.
    “As we said on July 19, the American people will decide this election. And the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House,” campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said in a statement.
    The Trump campaign released a statement Friday morning making clear it will refuse to concede the election, calling any projections of Biden as the winner “false” and the race “far from final.”

    SQRLSY comment: The end of the Trumptatorshit is in sight! Hoo-Ray! I for one hope that the Bidentatorshit will be run in a more adult, and less narcissistic and random, manner! Time will tell!

    If the United States government does NOT escort a certain “Orange Man Bad” trespasser out of the White House, in a certain not-so-hypothetical-scenario-now-any-more, then democracy in the USA is DEAD! Long live democracy, even if it ain’t as libertarian as I, for one, would like it to be!

    1. Walls finally closed in.

    2. I mean if it was on CNN it *has* to be true!

    3. See how it offers a direct quote from the Biden campaign but offers it’s own paraphrasing of what it thinks the Trump campaign says.

      This is what it does. In between retarded shitposting, and eating literal buckets of shit.

  10. Humm, who do I believe more about the likelihood of fraud. Sullum, or a CPA.
    https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/

    1. monsterhunternation.com… Well that just screams reputable news source.

      1. Yes, because he’s a retired CPA who now writes books. The monster hunter nation being his fanbase. Odd how I never claimed it was a news site. Meanwhile a “glitch” in the software in Michigan swung another 6000 votes in Biden’s direction. Giving him and the Dem rep the county in question. Fraud and corruption bitch.

  11. I’ll be generous and suggest Trump might think that the news and polling organizations were sticking with their “blue wave” messages hoping that some Trump voters would just stay home and note bother voting.

  12. I have a feeling Trump and his supporters won’t accept the outcome of the election if he loses. He’ll try to deligitamize by claiming fraud. Remember when he and other conservatives kept saying Dems we’re trying to overturn/deligitamize the 2016 election? Hillary conceded on election night and didn’t ask for recounts. She didn’t claim massive fraud without
    evidence. Trump claimed fraud despite winning the EC.

    It appears Trump and many of his supporters are going to be unwilling to accept a Biden victory. Hopefully for the good of the country they move on quickly.

    1. I have a feeling Trump and his supporters won’t accept the outcome of the election if he loses. … Trump claimed fraud despite winning the EC.

      So regardless of whether Trump wins or loses, he claims that the US election system is rife with fraud, showing that it’s not about winning or losing. And Trump is right: the US election system is an embarrassment to the nation and needs fixing. The US as a whole should adopt a system like other civilized nations, as some states already have.

      It appears Trump and many of his supporters are going to be unwilling to accept a Biden victory.

      Why not? Biden/Harris with a Republican Senate is a perfectly good outcome for Republicans, with the gain in House seats being icing on the cake. The Republican party is well-positioned for 2022 and 2024.

      Democrats didn’t do themselves any favors by pushing so hard for these two losers.

      1. If the system is ride with fraud Trump and his supporters should have no problem showing evidence of it and getting a court/media/the public to take it seriously?
        When all the votes are counted maybe there is some evidence of wrong doing? Until that evidence shows up I’m going to remain skeptical because the GOP and Trump have been claiming fraud for years, but haven’t produced any evidence.
        On election night he said he thought he had won and made claims of fraud. Well that was 3 days ago. Shouldn’t there be an investigation or an announcement that they’re investigating something?
        He claimed 3 million illegals voted for Hilary in 2016. It’s been 4 years. Where’s the evidence?

        Call me old fashioned, but if you’re going to accuse someone of wrongdoing you should have SOME evidence.

        1. They have multiple times. You just don’t want to read the comment that show you exactly what you are asking for.

          1. Now I’m seeing things like “were showing you mountains of evidence of fraud, you lefties just ignore it.”
            Please cite this evidence or point me in the direction where I can see it?

        2. if you’re going to accuse someone of wrongdoing you should have SOME evidence.

          I didn’t accuse anybody of wrongdoing, I said that the US election system is an embarrassment to the nation and needs fixing. The evidence for that is… every single election. Both Democrats and Republicans agree on that, they just don’t agree on what to do about it.

          Elections should be conducted according to uniform, well-known rules, they should be auditable, and people should be able to have trust in them. America’s elections are none of those.

          Call me old fashioned, but

          I don’t call you old fashioned, I call you an ignorant, semi-literate partisan.

          because the GOP and Trump

          Stop beating a dead horse. Trump is history. Biden has won. You got what you wanted and you deserve it, good and hard!

          1. The constitution leaves elections up to the states. In my state it’s auditable and transparent and done by mail.
            Sorry I confused you with all the Trump worshipping morons who think if they scream fraud enough times people might believe them.
            All the bullshit Trumpers accused Dems and liberals of after 2016 they’re doing themselves before we even know who won. It boggles my mind how fucking stupid the Trumpers are.

            Anyway sorry I assumed you were a moron like 90% of the Trumpers on here.

            Biden hasn’t won yet.

            1. The constitution leaves elections up to the states.

              What does that have to do with anything? I merely observed how elections should be held, and how most modern democracies actually hold them. If the US is constitutionally incapable of implementing rational voting procedures, that would be an unfortunate defect in the US Constitution; it doesn’t change anything about what US voting procedures actually are today.

              Fortunately, the US Constitution doesn’t mandate inconsistent voting procedures. States could voluntarily agree to uniform voting procedures, like they do in many other areas. Furthermore, the federal government could, in fact, impose constraints on voting procedures both under Article IV and under Equal Protection.

              In my state it’s auditable and transparent and done by mail.

              That’s insufficient. We also want a voting system in which voting happens at a defined time, in which voters are free from pressure, in which their votes remain secret, and in which vote totals can’t be manipulated by third parties. Vote-by-mail fail to make those guarantees.

              While many countries have limited forms of absentee ballots (usually requiring documented, written justifications), all-postal voting is used very rarely outside the US (I don’t know of any nation using it for national elections). Almost all voting in other nations is conducted the same way it used to be conducted in the US: with pen and paper in a voting booth. And they do that for good reason.

              1. You’re just spouting the usual shit cons spout because their policies and candidates aren’t popular. They try to restrict voting because it gives them a better chance to win.
                One party encourages as many to vote as possible. The other wants to restrict voting as much as possible. Until cons can prove fraud is as rampant as they claim maybe they should shut the fuck up and let us vote how we want if it’s safe and accurate.
                Why does it need to happen at a defined time? That just disenfranchises people who have to work unless you make it a holiday. Even then not everyone can have the day off. Mail voting isn’t any more susceptible to 3rd party interference than regular voting. Mail voting allows me to vote in the privacy of my own home. That’s as pressure free as it gets.

                Most modern democracies have universal health care. So who gives a shit how they vote? We should do what works best for us.

                1. They try to restrict voting because it gives them a better chance to win.

                  There is zero evidence that holding elections with paper ballots, in person, and requiring ID has any partisan effects. None.

                  Most modern democracies have universal health care.

                  Yes, they do, and it works. But their kind of universal healthcare is diametrically opposed to what Democrats and progressives have been pushing in the US.

                  Why does it need to happen at a defined time? That just disenfranchises people who have to work unless you make it a holiday.

                  Correct: elections should be on Sunday or they should be a national holiday. Glad you recognize that too.

                  So who gives a shit how they vote? We should do what works best for us.

                  Neither US elections nor US healthcare work well, and the fault for that lies almost entirely with Democrats. And to add insult to injury, Democrats push their broken policies by falsely advertising them as being successful in other countries. You just did it yourself again. Americans are just too stupid to know any better. You sure are.

    2. Dude, she wrote a friggin book about how she was screwed over.

      Remember when Hillary supports cried, threw temper tantrums, and declared Trump was not their president?
      When it comes to whining about losing the race, the dems set a really, really high bar.

      1. In that book she didn’t claim Trump or his supporters committed election fraud. She discussed reasons why she got less EC votes. She didn’t claim it was stolen. She didn’t call for Trump to be “locked up.”

        A small group of troublemakers rioted. Most Hilary supporters condemned rioting and violence.

        1. “she didn’t claim Trump or his supporters committed election fraud.”
          That’s because they didn’t and don’t. That’s what corrupt lawless Dems do as they’ve done for many decades, e.g. JFK & LBJ, the delusions of godhood of the godless whom, along with their fools, God will punish painfully soon enough.

          1. Russ Davis: where’s your evidence of voter/election fraud?
            Are you Mormon? If not I can’t say your god doesn’t exist because I don’t know, but he sounds like a goddamn asshole.

            Anyway I won’t hold my breath for evidence of fraud. Trump claimed there was 3 million illegal votes in an election he won the EC(lost the popular vote) and we still haven’t received any evidence.

        2. In that book she didn’t claim Trump or his supporters committed election fraud

          Can we agree that she claimed that Trump supporters and the GOP were guilty of racism, white supremacy, structural racism, and voter suppression?

          1. NOYB I fail how to see talking about structural racism and bigotry is related to voter fraud in anyway. You’re entitled to your opinion, but I believe the GOP and Trump has a problem with racism and bigotry.

            1. NOYB I fail how to see talking about structural racism and bigotry is related to voter fraud in anyway.

              I suggest you think it through a bit more; the phrase “voter suppression” might give you a hint.

              You’re entitled to your opinion, but I believe the GOP and Trump has a problem with racism and bigotry.

              Since Democrats embrace and openly demand racially discriminatory policies while Republicans oppose such policies, it’s clear that Democrats are the racists.

              1. The GOP are the ones who favor discrimination. Unless you believe Democrat policies are discrimanating against whites? There’s no point in arguing with you then.
                If you can see all the people who supported BLM this past year and say “structural racism and bigotry” isn’t a problem then Im not gonna change your mind.
                I was talking about election fraud. You’re the one who brought up racism and discrimination.

                If I’m wrong in my assumption sorry.

                1. Democratic policies discriminate against asian people the most. But also white people as well. If they end up passing reparations for slavery, it will be racism toward every other race other than black people, as innocent Americans will be punished for the crimes of the Democratic party.

                  I have no problem telling people who support BLM that they are supporting a racist organization. Any organization that honors Louis Farrakhan is racist. Trump should have had Biden denouncing him rather than antifa. The media was obsessed with Trump denouncing David Duke. Louis Farrakhan is still a darling among many Democrats. Anyone who supports BLM is supporting an organization that is culturally poisonous to black people.

                  I’m black and while I support their desire for police reform, their larger philosophical and political views are destructive and foolish. White people aren’t just rednecks. There are black rednecks too–more precisely quite a bit of black thugs and savages that the Democratic Party coddles and courts, and they feed their power and influence among black people. When BLM and the Democratic Party cannot acknowledge the reality that some black lives [just like some white lives] are rightly shot by the police because they are violent sociopaths who are clear and immediate threats, those violent sociopaths, and the sick culture they bring with them, are going to be protected and cultivated to the peril of mostly other black lives.

                  When you have Democrats declaring that science and hardwork are white supremacist values–the victims are going to be black people who have been taught to shun “white” values–aka universal human virtues.

                  And of course, the Democratic Party is responsible for most of the ills that have harmed black people throughout American history — slavery, black laws, jim crow, the welfare system. Only the drug war is shared equally by the two parties, and as much of its roots were racist, it was and is also just anti-hippy and extension of the Christian prohibitionist impulse.

                  The Democratic Party has always been the racist party. But also the party with really good propaganda and branding. And the psychotic courage to put on their website that they have been fighting for civil rights for 200 years. And the faith that people like you won’t blink. Hopefully you lose your faith.

                2. The GOP are the ones who favor discrimination.

                  I don’t know of any GOP laws or policy proposals that “favor discrimination”. The GOP wants race-blind, equal treatment under the law. Can we agree on that?

                  Unless you believe Democrat policies are discrimanating against whites?

                  Can we agree that Democrat policies explicitly and deliberately discriminate by race? Whether that amounts to “for” or “against” is both a value judgment and an empirical question.

                  In terms of values, Democrats are saying that blacks and Hispanics are so inferior that, unlike other groups, they can’t catch up without explicit government intervention.

                  In terms of empirical results, affirmative action, non-discrimination policies, expanded welfare, social/racial justice programs, and public education have been dismal failures, meaning that even if the Democratic policies were morally justifiable, they actually harm the groups they are claimed to help.

                3. So structural racism elected Biden. I hope someone is looking in to this.

          2. The GOP and Trump are guilty of voter suppression.
            Why do they want to make it harder to vote? Why do they talk constantly about voter fraud while not producing evidence? It also helps put the election in doubt if Trump loses.
            The GOP has been trying to suppress voting for years, and Trump has amplified it.
            Trump voted by mail in Florida? Yet we’re only hearing baseless claims in states he’s losing.

            1. The GOP and Trump are guilty of voter suppression. Why do they want to make it harder to vote?

              The majority of Americans want voter identification, in person voting, and public counting of votes. Those are rational, nearly universally accepted principles of how a democracy should be run. Most of Europe runs that way. They are no more “voter suppression” than requiring a driver’s license is “driver suppression”. There is no evidence that they “suppress” any votes.

              Not only do Democrats (and you) engage in baseless claims of voter suppression, you furthermore hold the racist view that minorities and immigrants (like myself) are somehow incapable of following such simple rules.

              1. “the majority of Americans want voter identification, in person voting, public counting of votes.”
                What are you basing that on? Most states have voter ID laws, but how many were voted on by referendum vs state legislatures? those laws disenfranchise low income voters so I believe they’re unconstitutional. They’re poll taxes in disguise.Voter ID isn’t the same as drivers license because driving isn’t a fundamental right.

                Vote counting in public is required everywhere. Please cite where this isn’t happening? Of course like almost every goddamn claim of voter fraud on here it’s some vague anecdotes that can’t be verified.

                You being an immigrant doesn’t make your views better than mine or anything. You’re spouting the same bullshit racist cons spout.

                1. What are you basing that on? Most states have voter ID laws, but how many were voted on by referendum vs state legislatures?

                  Polls and referenda.

                  those laws disenfranchise low income voters so I believe they’re unconstitutional

                  There is zero evidence for that. In addition, states address this by making government ID free.

                  Vote counting in public is required everywhere.

                  False.

                  You being an immigrant doesn’t make your views better than mine or anything.

                  It means that (1) I have experience and knowledge that goes beyond the US, and (2) I can authoritatively call bullshit when Democrats claim that they have my best interests at heart.

                  You’re spouting the same bullshit racist cons spout.

                  In fact, you are spouting the same bullshit that racist progressives spout, not surprising since progressives are overwhelmingly educated white upper middle class voters who look down their noses as anybody less educated than they are and have no idea of the needs and struggles of minorities, immigrants, and blue collar workers. I mean, your contempt for those you consider inferior and your bigotry are right there in your handle.

    3. No, the deep state and congressional democrats jut made up endless bulls it to try and impeach Trump.

      Also, you should commit suicide.

      1. You mean when Trump tried to hold up foreign aid to make it contingent on them investigating Biden?
        Nothing shady about that.
        Fuck Romney and his magic underwear, but why did he vote to convict Trump?

    4. I have a feeling Trump and his supporters won’t accept the outcome of the election if he loses

      The Democrats never accepted Trump’s election, why would Trump supporters accept Biden?

      -jcr

  13. It worth noting for all the lawsuits have generally been seen as frivolous. Trump is too cheap to use top flight lawyers and instead is using ambulance chasers. The result is that lawsuits make him feel better and do little else.

    Also worth noting that top lawyers would not take a case like this.

    1. I’m no fan of Rudy, but he was a federal prosecutor before he was NYC’s mayor.

      Now, if you want to remind me that prosecutors are generally horrible people who will rabidly go after blood when they smell it. I agree.

      1. Like Kamala?

      2. Rudy Giuliani was at one time held in great regard in this country. His decline, as with many other is his contact with Trump. Trump corrupts and destroys all he touches.

    2. Also worth noting that top lawyers would not take a case like this.

      Of course not. Most top flight lawyers are wealthy, privileged Democrats getting rich at the hand of the regulatory state and corporate law. Why would they kill the goose that lays their golden eggs?

      “Ambulance chasers” are lawyers who stand up for the little guy against insurance companies and big corporations, and they are willing to take cases even if the client isn’t super-rich. The fact that you think that that makes them disreputable speaks volumes about you.

  14. Trump’s Desperate Conspiracy Theories Won’t Save His Presidency, but They Might Save His Ego

    TDS is still in full swing, I see.

  15. See, voter fraud is a crime that would be really difficult to convict a specific person of committing. But it seems like it would be pretty easy to prove if it took place or not.

    If John Smith died in 2002, and has voted in every election since then, it’s pretty obvious that someone has cast a fraudulent vote in John’s name. Independent investigations by journalists and nonprofits have exposed some things along these lines, but the government hasn’t really done an in-depth study on the issue. The fact that one side of the political spectrum raises a massive screaming fit any time the subject comes up is a red flag for me, though.

    The Democrats don’t want to look too closely at voter fraud, and the Republicans are willing to dismiss the issue as well out of fear of being branded racists.

    Now we have a guy with a lot of money, a lot of free time, a massive platform, a big axe to grind, and zero fucks to give about being called a racist by the media.

    1. And I say have a go at it.

    2. The way to eliminate concerns about voter fraud is simply to hold elections properly: paper ballots, election day deadlines, voter ID, bipartisan and public counting.

      1. Voter ID is racist.

        Deadlines are racist.

        Bipartisanship is racist.

        Counting is racist.

        Stop being a fascist.

  16. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHObmaan05X/?igshid=5wo5950pscsz

    Six feet please. Cuck.

    I swear. We’re a weak, scared, pathetic society.

    1. The pussification of the West is nearly complete.

    1. Better pray there was fraud. Lol.

      1. better pray it sees the light. obviously there is fraud.

  17. Libertarians for South American style sham elections to install totalitarian collectivism.

    Good work, guys.

    1. Fuck you.

      They voted their conscience, and that is all that matters.

      For god’s sake, you sound like the type of person that would just blatantly disregard RBG’s dying wishes.

      1. They voted their conscience

        And by “their conscience” you mean “virtue signaling”?

        1. Your sarcasm matter needs service.

  18. One of the more colourful takes I’ve heard is that this is a DHS sting operation to entrap the DNC.

    1. I read that. The problem is, the same people saying it are the ones breathlessly telling us about “30,000 sealed indictments!” Qtards, in other words.

      Be funny as hell if that happened though.

  19. I first came to the United states in 1959. In 1960 JFK stole the election from Richard Nixon and Democrat Ward Chairmen and Union Leaders carried boxes of ballots through Cook County and JFK won. Fast forward to 2020. I left the United States in 1972. I returned in 2012. I became a Citizen of the United States. Now I live in Pennsylvania and the Democrats are cheating their way to stealing the Presidency. This is on Facebook.
    Read it. Reply if you can.
    Bartholomew Chiaroscuro asks,

    “Here are some questions to ask yourself if you think that what is happening
    is normal and Trump is being a petulant loser:

    1/Why were all of the places which saw a sudden surge in Biden votes key swing
    states?

    2/Why did these surges occur after counting was ceased?

    3/Why was Trump significantly ahead in most of these just before counting was
    halted?

    4/Why are all of the key surges in Biden votes from postal votes?

    5/Why does all mainstream media dismiss the possibility of postal fraud before
    investigating it?

    6/Why were Biden wins declared so early when counting could still swing those?

    7/How is it statistically possible for 100,000 or in one case nearly 200,000
    randomly selected votes to go to only one candidate? How can you possibly
    believe that 100,000 ballots go through the post and arrive in order ALL for
    the same candidate? This is the equivalent of imagining that a line to vote
    had 100,000 Democrats before the first Republican.

    8/Why did Biden virtually stop campaigning in the final two weeks?

    9/Why would Rust Belt areas whose jobs have returned under Trump vote for a
    Green New Deal that will destroy their jobs?

    10/How could even by the fraudulent figures that include the dodgy postal
    votes we see a 4 million rise in Trump’s vote without that translating to a
    better performance? It’s not a slight rise. It’s a massive rise. And the
    only thing negating it are huge slabs of postal votes that appeared at the
    last minute for Biden.

    11/According to the fraudulent figures, Biden secured more votes than any
    other candidate in history. Who really thinks an uninspiring figure like Biden
    after 47 years of not being hugely popular even in his own party suddenly
    sweeps the nation with his magical charisma in the best performance in all
    history?

    It’s clear as well how it’s going to be played. The media will put every
    question and every anomaly in boxes labelled ‘conspiracy theory’ and
    ‘fake news’. They are already doing it, immediately dismissing all
    questioning of postal votes and everything from the Trump team.

    The crucial 270 electoral college votes will be announced to Biden, all
    dependent on blindly accepting hundreds of thousands of potentially false
    votes. I think whatever the reality of the ones still to be announced, you can
    bet your life that the media will declare that Biden has won the ones he needs
    to pass 270.

    The legal challenges will be portrayed as the petulant tantrums of a beaten
    man.

    Huge pressure will be brought on Trump to just concede. Republican Never
    Trumpers will be on air 24/7 saying he must accept the legitimate result. If
    it drags on too long, expect to see international leaders including Boris
    doing the same.

    We will be told that any proper investigation of electoral fraud is an affront
    to democracy and a totalitarian move by a beaten administration.

    We will be told it is time to ‘heal the wounds’, which in reality means
    accept the most blatant election rigging we have seen in modern times from a
    western nation.

    And anyone questioning any of this will be portrayed as a crank. We will see
    the effective transfer of the power of election from the general public to the
    Media. What is announced is reality, rather than what actually happens.

    The only way I can see this going differently is if Trump has been smart
    enough to secure footage and incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing that can
    be released to the public over the heads of the Media.”

    1. If there is fraud like Trump and you claim with all the scrutiny on voting and the media this election it should be exposed. You have Trump supporters looking under every rock and behind every bush.
      If fraud occured it will be exposed.

      The problem is Trump and the GOP have been claiming fraud for years but haven’t produced any evidence. It’s like the boy who cried wolf. Maybe if he hadn’t made baseless claims for an election he won people would take it more seriously now.

      1. I noticed you failed to weight in on the probablity that all those undisputed facts above are just coincidence.

        1. I replied to the numbered stuff in a comment a few comments down. It wouldn’t let me reply to PeterWatson for some reason.
          “Undisputed facts?” He didn’t cite any sources or even say where these “undisputed facts” occured so there’s no way to know what he’s referring to.

          1. Still avoiding the remarkable coincidence. The source would be the publically available vote count. The above is just a summary of how the vote totals changes. It is common knowledge.

            1. I wasn’t sure if you were joking or not with your “undisputable facts” comment. I guess you aren’t joking? I would be happy to try and look into these “undisputable facts,” but he didn’t leave any citations and I can’t find a state called “swing state!”
              The comment doesn’t mention which state or state. It just says “swing states!”

              Are you sure you’re not screwing with me?

              1. *The comment doesn’t mention which state or STATES. It just says “swing states!”

                Corrected that typo

            2. Spiritus Mundi:

              I don’t know what the following is referring to. He didn’t cite anything or name the state or anything.

              “7/How is it statistically possible for 100,000 or in one case nearly 200,000
              randomly selected votes to go to only one candidate? How can you possibly
              believe that 100,000 ballots go through the post and arrive in order ALL for
              the same candidate? This is the equivalent of imagining that a line to vote
              had 100,000 Democrats before the first Republican.”

              I don’t know what he is referring to. He didn’t leave any citations. How are we supposed to know where he got these figures from or what they’re referring to.

              It’s conjecture until they explain where and what these votes are? Not “undisputable facts.”

              1. Argue they must because…brainwashed into believing bullshit.
                6 Democrat run states require adult supervision in order to complete a legal and certifiable election result. The knowing incompetence on display is a national disgrace. If Florida can count and certify on the same day these states have displayed the inability of the Democrat party to be able to run an election without the result being in question.

                Elections were designated critical infrastructure by Obama in Jan 2017. Trump’s CISA agency has been across securing this election and it will know the weak spots each state refused to secure. This is now a national security matter. Rest assured these 6 states will get all the adult supervision needed to return a legal and certifiable result. Once all the ballots without chain of custody or actual living person origins are weeded out, the result will be a clear Trump win.

                The other result will be Federal supervision of all future elections. A good thing, the Harry Reid ballot harvesting machine will be terminated forever.

      2. For 1-3 what states is he referring to? We can’t look up “surges after they stopped counting” in “swing states” if he doesn’t say which states.

        4. It was known for months that mail in voting would favor Biden because Bden encouraged people to vote by mail when possible and Trump discuraged it.

        I posted replies/questions to each number a few co down. It wouldn’t let me repost it or copy and paste it.

        8. Biden didn’t stop campaigning the last two weeks. Pennsylvania could decide the election and he spent time there and other rust belt states.

        10 and 11 could be increased population and turnout. Just because PeterWatson finds Bden uninspiring doesn’t mean people won’t vote for him.

    2. It is easy to squawk about fraud, but hard to produce actual evidence thereof. It is time to quit singing it and to start bringing it.

      1. There are mountains of evidence people keep posting, but you leftists pretend it doesn’t exist and then demand to see evidence… that you will continue pretending doesn’t exist.

        1. Other than the hundreds of thousands of examples of demonstrated voter fraud and miscounting do you have any evidence? The plural of anecdote is not data. Checkmate MAGAs!

        2. If there are “mountains of evidence” then it should be easy to cite it? All I’ve seen is crap like “how do you explain 1000ballots for Biden showing up in swing states?”
          “What state?”
          “Why won’t you admit there’s fraud!?!”

          If there is a link it’s to some far right door’s Twitter account and it’s been removed because social media is trying to not spread misinformation.

          For the millionth time: voter/election fraud is a crime and if it happened in this election it’s be a huge scandal. Wouldn’t Trump or Barr at least be able to say something like “we are opening an investigation into accusations of fraud I’m X swing state?”
          We would have a media outlet or journalist report about possible fraud considering how big a deal it could be?

          Any of these things could happen because votes are still being counted and we don’t know the outcome yet.

          All I’ve seen is baseless crap on social media.

          1. It isn’t difficult to prove fact to brainwashed leftists, however their inability to accept fact that doesn’t align with their programming….not my problem.

            6 Democrat run states require adult supervision in order to complete a legal and certifiable election result. The knowing incompetence on display is a national disgrace. If Florida can count and certify on the same day these states have displayed the inability of the Democrat party to be able to run an election without the result being in question.

            Elections were designated critical infrastructure by Obama in Jan 2017. Trump’s CISA agency has been across securing this election and it will know the weak spots each state refused to secure. This is now a national security matter. Rest assured these 6 states will get all the adult supervision needed to return a legal and certifiable result. When completed all 6 states will return a clear Trump win.

        3. Please where are the “mountains of evidence” Nardz?

          1. Look through every thread, dumbass.

            1. All I see are the same vague anecdotes that are unverifiable! Jesus Christ! If you think that’s “Mountains of evidence” you’re a fucking moron.
              I’m dumb for wasting time arguing with y’all.
              The Michigan stuff is easily debunked. I’ve posted this a few times, but I keep seeing the same bs.
              From the Detroit Free Press
              https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

              LANSING A failure to update software was the reason for a computer glitch that caused massive errors in unofficial election results reported from Antrim county, the Michigan Department of State said late Friday.

              “The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County clerk,” the state agency that oversees elections said in a news release.

              There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals, which were preserved on tapes printed from the tabulators, the state said. The problem occurred when the totals by precinct were combined into candidate county-wide totals for transfer to the state, using election management system software, the state agency said in a news release.

              “All ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results.”

              State officials did not immediately respond to questions about whether they track when and how local officials update their election-related software or whether local officials are required to report needed updates to the state, once they are completed.

              But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state.

              Antrim County on Thursday posted updated and revised numbers for the presidential and U.S. Senate races after discovering major errors in the numbers the county initially sent to the Secretary of State’s Office. The effect of the errors gave higher-than-accurate vote totals to Democratic candidates in the heavily Republican county.

              The revised numbers — arrived at after manually entering the results from printed tabulated tapes for all 16 precincts — show the northern Michigan county is still red, just not as dark a shade as it was in 2016.

              The county is reporting Republican President Donald Trump beat Democrat Joe Biden by about 2,500 votes, with Trump receiving 56% of the slightly more than  17,000 votes cast for president and Biden receiving 42%.

              Political observers had expressed shock early Wednesday when the county transferred numbers to the state showing Biden beating Trump by about 3,000 votes. Antrim is a Republican stronghold where local GOP officials have mostly run unopposed in recent elections.

              In 2016 in Antrim County, Trump got about 62% support, beating Democrat Hillary Clinton by about 4,000 votes.

              County Clerk Sheryl Guy told the Free Press Wednesday that officials sent the initial results to the state without checking them. But they later asked: “How could Democrats take over this county?” she said.

              Because most counties in the state — especially smaller ones — use the Dominion Voting Systems equipment that Antrim County does, concerns were raised this week about whether other county results could have been posted with errors.

              But that’s not the case, according to the Department of State, which stressed in the news release that the votes were correctly tabulated and the printed tapes showing the results were also accurate in Antrim.

              “In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results,” the release said. “Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results.”

    3. Good questions but they have to prove it.

      Hope that’s what they’re working on.

      1. You know when you can’t read or understand the text you can just not reply, right?

    4. Lord, would you like me to call paramedics for you? KoolAid overdoses can be fatal.

      1. Good reply. Substantive.

  20. Jake’s usual delusional unreason. Contrary to his deranged lies and fraud true history will show the irrefutable fact that Trump won the election of legal votes, and only manifestly corrupt, debauched, depraved, degenerate, deranged criminal liars and their fools say otherwise. 100s of thousands of legal GOP ballots have been tossed plus 100s of thousands of illegal Dem ballots introduced to try to steal the election, including who knows how many late ballots illegally predated & ballots illegally hidden from poll watchers to be tampered with and all other manner of corruption by depraved, hypocritical losers who’d laughably scream if the shoe were on the other foot, the delusions of godhood of the godless. Trump and friends are all that stands between us and an insane communist takeover by the evil, lawless, corrupt loser Harris slut who slept her way to the top (no one with one brain cell imagines incompetent cipher crook Biden could last a week). It’s a war for the soul of America, for Dems are manifestly, irrefutably evil. Only God can save us, though since due to Him we survived 8 years of evil 0bama, he can enable us to survive Harris’s reign of terror. Sadly the fools who imagine going along with the crocodile will keep them from being eaten first don’t know history, since that shows they can be among the first to go, e.g. the French Revolution and the Nazis.

  21. Whether Trump won or lost really has little to do with whether there was fraud in Philadelphia and Detroit. There’s always fraud in the Democrat machine towns, even if it’s just to favor one Democrat over another. It’s how they do things.

    If you wish to tell me that Biden won and that a proper accounting of all the legal ballots would show that, I can’t rule out the possibility. But don’t try to tell me that a proper accounting of all the legal ballots will actually take place. That’s as naive as believing Trump never tried to take a deduction he wasn’t entitled to.

  22. Well the “Cuties” writer is dripping with contempt for poor old Trump. All good…a “Corn Pop Biden” presidency should be pretty funny..what is funnier is how fast the “white supremacy” bs of the libertarian party will go away now…you know all those elected officials who were for taking away the bill of rights for anyone not white..so many of them. And Matt and “Cutie” boy can go to their NYC parties (once Cuomo declares victory over covid on January 21st) and be the cool kids again…

    But Corn Pop will be very funny

  23. How is it not plain as day that the Demonrats cheated across the board? If not for their blatant treachery there is NO WAY that Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell would have held on to their seats.

    1. They obviously don’t care all that much about the senate.
      Spineless Republicans aren’t a threat to the oligarch class. Trump is.
      That should scare you.
      The fraud was not hidden. If they get away with it successfully, there is no reason for them to ever worry about consequences or much about opposition.
      That should scare you.
      And totalitarians have a well established history of destroying at least large portions of their supporters, in addition to everyone else they rule.
      That should also scare you.

  24. For 1,2,3 unless you mention specific states we don’t know what you’re referring to.

    4. It has been known for weeks that mail in ballots would favor Biden because Democrats encouraged people to vote by mail because of Covid and Trump discouraged vote by mail.

    5. If it didn’t occur what is there to investigate? Shouldn’t the FBI or some govt agency investigate it considering it’s a crime. If it’s occuring like Trump says shouldn’t he be able to at least announce an investigation will occur?

    6. I’m not familiar with different news agencies projection methods, but considering all the eyes and scrutiny on them they don’t want to be wrong. Why did Trump say he won and claim there was fraud We’d morning before any news agency was close to calling the race?

    7. I don’t know what your referring too? Where did this happen?

    8. Biden was campaigning up until the end. He was in Pennsylvania on election day because it may determine the winner.

    9.Biden doesn’t support the Green new deal, and I can’t speak for ALL rust belt voters and neither can you

    10and 11. Population increase and turnout increased.

    1. Doesn’t matter what Biden thinks. He’s in the Corn Pop galaxy.

    2. This was supposed to be a reply to PeterWatson above.

    3. Shouldn’t the FBI or some govt agency investigate it considering it’s a crime.

      Why would they? Much of the FBI hates Trump’s guts.

      1. Or William Barr or someone. My point is there has to be more than just talk for people to take him seriously.

        1. Or William Barr or someone. My point is there has to be more than just talk for people to take him seriously.

          Let me translate Trump-speak for you into intellectual-speak:

          “We have indications of voter fraud, improper application of voting laws, and misconduct in several states. I believe when these are remedied, they will give me the electoral votes to win the presidency. We are still gathering evidence and my lawyers will be filing cases over the next few days to have courts look into these issues. We believe that a proper count of all legal votes is essential to the functioning of our democracy.”

          Feel free to ask if you need other translations.

    4. Sorry buddy the reality that is clear to the entire world is this;
      6 Democrat run states require adult supervision in order to complete a legal and certifiable election result. The knowing incompetence on display is a national disgrace. If Florida can count and certify on the same day these states have displayed the inability of the Democrat party to be able to run an election without the result being in question.

      Elections were designated critical infrastructure by Obama in Jan 2017. Trump’s CISA agency has been across securing this election and it will know the weak spots each state refused to secure. This is now a national security matter. Rest assured these 6 states will get all the adult supervision needed to return a legal and certifiable result.

      Any reasonable observer will see that with only legal votes counted Trump will take a clear win in each state.

  25. The latest is a “glitch” that gave 6000 votes to Biden that were for Trump. Total number of votes in the county? A bit over 16000. More than 33 MI counties use the software in question. What was that about conspiracy theories you hack?

    1. The glitch was corrected and none of the other counties had problems. The country officials(who are republican) saw the error and fixed it before the votes were eventually counted. No one on here seems to care about that part though.

      It’s because most of you are inbred loons who believe every lie Trump says and when confronted with the truth are too stupid and stubborn to admit you may be wrong.s

      1. Using “glitch” is about the most disingenuous thing I’ve heard in a while. Stay tuned as the Democrat-Media Complex starts tossing around words like “sloppy” to cover for their blatant corruption.

        The same party that had people arrested for going to a bar, a wedding, or walking on the beach were okay with “protests” and riots. The same party who looked the other way or nodded in approval when bands of domestic terrorists looted, burned, assaulted and murdered their fellow citizens. The same party that pushes Critical Race Theory and calls for struggle session. The same party that pushed the RuSSiAn CoLLuSiON hoax. The same party that will if they succeed will have us a new war in a couple of years and an economy-devastating lock down.

  26. No need for conspiracy theories. In Antrim County Michigan they had to hand count the votes after a “software glitch” gave over 1/3 of the total votes in the election to Joe Biden in “error” that should have be recorded as votes for Donald Trump. The vote was so far off what would have been expected that questions started getting asked and a hand count was started. 47 counties in Michigan, and untold other counties in other States use the same “Glitching software”. Any and all location using this software should have to hand count each and every ballot. With a know possibility of at least 1 in 3 votes being incorrectly counted wherever this software has been used leaves no alternative but a recount by hand.

    1. The fact is 6 Democrat run states require adult supervision in order to complete a legal and certifiable election result. Trumps CISA agency will assist them along with the FBI and DOJ. Expect arrests and indictments over coming weeks for vote tampering, fraud, bribery, vote dumping. In fact look at the DOJ website it started in September.

  27. Sorry to say you’ve really made an ass of yourself this time Jacob.

  28. He tears at the very foundations of the American faith in it’s institutions as well as calling fairly openly for violence, but it is okay because it salves his weakling malignant narcissitic ego. I somehow doubt that is going to help him much when he reports to Sing Sing to serve out the rest of his days behind bars in Ossening.

    1. He tears at the very foundations of the American faith in it’s institutions as well as calling fairly openly for violence

      You mean like 4 years of Russia conspiracy theories calling the duly elected president a Manchurian candidate, and hundreds of thousands of rioters literally killing, maiming, beating, raping, burning and destroying for the past 9 months?

      Honest question, do you radical leftists ever say anything that isn’t pure, utter projection?

    2. Are you fucking kidding? The Democrats have openly supported violence for over five months! Democrat mayors have pulled out police to allow their ideological compatriots “space to destroy.” The vice-presidential candidate promoted a fund to bail out same domestic terrorists. Biden himself found it difficult to condemn the riots, arson, looting, assaults and murders until polling data came out.

      You think no one has noticed??

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  30. This a pretty disappointing article. Isn’t the fraud pretty obvious? Wow, what’s up with Reason?

    1. This a pretty disappointing article.

      The sky is also blue.

    2. My wife’s FB is filled with conspiracy stories that usually start with…
      “my friend is an official ballot checker and she was told that…”
      Think about how many people would have to be in on a conspiracy large enough to materially affect the election results…

      1. Yet Rhushun Cuhlooshun.

  31. Do any of you have one sentence of evidence of any fraud?

    Be happy. The clown is dead. Think how much fun it will be to hypocritically bitch about every tiny Biden foible.

    1. You could, uhhh read any of the many many citations people have linked to of, you know, legitimate proven fraud.

    2. Tony the 8 year old is here spreading his tropes and cliches as only a grade schooler could. Hey Tony, don’t spread disinfo, this election is critical infrastructure (Obama did it in Jan 2017). The results are a matter of national security. These 6 Democrat states that require adult supervision in order to complete a legal and certifiable election will get all the assistance they need.

      The fact of the matter is that ONLY legally certifiable ballots with a clear chain of custody and provable living voter origin will be counted. When totaled this will result in a clear Trump victory in all 6 states. Get used to this, it is a fast approaching reality.

  32. JACOB SULLUM — yet another Never Trumper to ignore…

  33. Brainwashed leftists, I have some great advice. Google Trump rally 2020 take a quick look at all of the people at each one of them, particularly in the 6 currently open races in Democrat run states. There are often tens of thousands of actual people, real life voters at each event. Google Biden rally 2020, compare and contrast.

    Rather than subject us all to a prolonged screaming fit, as you did after the 2016 election, start to prepare yourself for the reality that once audited, with only legal ballots counted, Trump has clear wins in all 6 states.

    Biden and the complicit media operations have and are attempting to float a false narrative of Biden taking a win. It is nothing more than a primitive, doomed to fail, influence operation.
    The reality is that 6 Democrat run states require adult supervision to complete their election in a legal certifiable manner. We should thank them, their blatant incompetence will result in Federal supervision of all national elections moving forward. Obama designated them critical infrastructure. Trump new CISA agency has been across this election in fine detail. It knows the weak spots and the Feds will be all over this in coming weeks. Expect arrests and indictments for voter fraud or ballot dumping. They’ve been happening in recent months just look at the DOJ website.

    So do yourself a favor, at least imagine the probability that Trump wins when only legal votes are counted. Because that folks is the reality here.

    1. Even without the covids basing support on rallies is an anecdotal fallacy. Take into the account Biden supporters are going to take Covid seriously and stay home, but Trump supporters don’t take it seriously and go to rallies it’s meaningless to use rallies as proof of support.

      1. They’re going to take it seriously except for the ones out “protesting” and rioting.

  34. It never ceases to amaze me how goddamn stupid some of the con Trump supporting reason commenters are.
    One post mentions 100,000 of fraudulent ballots in “swing states.” Of course the person didn’t reply to queries of which “swing state” or states. Then the inbred morons are trying to claim they have “mountains of evidence” of fraud based on shit like that.
    I always forget that most the commenters here are like super far right inbred Nazi right wing. Y’all believe EVERYTHING Trump says. I see “Obama spied on Trump” all the time despite it easily being disproven. Like you folks probably think the John Birch Society was a bunch of commies. Goddamn you people are fucking stupid.

    For the hundredth time. This is the most closely watched, heavily scrutinized election ever. If there is fraud it’ll be found and dealt with through official channels.

    God fucking damn no wonder yall support the stupid, evil Mormons. You’re just as stupid and evil as them. Fuck Mormons and fuck Trump(Fuck Biden too)but at least Biden supporters aren’t inbred morons.

    1. Yes. Very closely watched. And lots of fraud found.

      Suits will be filed on Monday 9 Nov.

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  36. Given the Russian hoax that started on day one.

    Given the Kavanaugh hearings when unfounded, slanderous atracks were levied against a decent man.

    Given the support for rioting, pardon me, the “mostly peaceful protests” over a complete canard disguised as social justice.

    Given the show trial impeachment due to Trumps crime of being an ahole.

    Given the weaponization of the FBI, DOJ, IRS, etc, by the Obama administration.

    Given the increasing racism of the D platform.

    Given the endless string of exaggerations, half-truths, and outright lies perpetuated by the gaslighting establishment.

    Anybody really believe the D’s are above a little ballot stuffing? Really?

    1. Until there’s evidence no… They’ve been screaming about fraud for years and the only major election fraud was done by Repubicans in NC 9th in 2018.

      Brett Kavanaugh is a goddamn child. He shouldn’t be on the SC based on the way he acted during his hearings.
      Repubicans are way more racist than Dems.

      1. There’s plenty of evidence, but you choose to believe the same media that will stand on a burning street and say “mostly peaceful.”

      2. Repubicans are way more racist than Dems.

        Which is why Republican share of POC increased significantly this year. Racism attracts POC?

  37. Wrong again Jacob! Count me in the group that needs to be convinced!

  38. If Trump was a rational individual he could console himself with the thought that, absent the pandemic he probably would have won.

    1. Yep. The one time a real crisis occurred. The phone ringing at 3:00 AM.

      1. Yep. The one time a real crisis occurred. The phone ringing at 3:00 AM.

        Trump closed the borders, provided aid, and otherwise let the states do their own thing. That’s what he was supposed to do.

        It’s clear that Biden/Harris would have abused COVID to exceed their executive authority. Furthermore, Biden/Harris have failed to come up with better policy proposals.

  39. The only evidence is shifting poll numbers?

    This is a Reason “senior editor”.

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  41. I think Jo Jo should go live on the air and give her concession speech thanking Joe Biden for a hard fought race, congratulating him, promising to work together on the few issues they agree on. Just to troll DJT.

    Or, would it be a bigger troll move to publicly refuse to yet conceed the race.

  42. These kinds of articles really upset the idiot Trumpists in the comments…

  43. Jacob,

    You might want to look into election law a little more closely.

    Keeping Republican observers out of the count is prima fascie evidence of fraud. That is at least 4 States. Maybe more.

    You might want to give up your TDS also.

  44. And BTW Drugs don’t cause addiction. Otherwise we would have 150 million opiate addicts in the USA. The actual number is estimated to be around 3.5 million.

  45. While Trump may have “over-performed” with his “base”…

    Millions of more Americans still disliked him enough to vote his ass out…Can’t say I’ll miss him.

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