Excessive Force

Utah Legislator: If You Don't Want to Be Attacked by Police Dogs, 'Stay Home'

The state legislature is considering reforms in response to the use of dogs against cooperative suspects.


After body camera footage showed that a Salt Lake City police officer had sicced a dog on a cooperative suspect, an internal audit revealed what Mayor Erin Mendenhall described as "a pattern of abuse": In two-thirds of the 27 cases where a police dog had bitten someone since 2018, the use of force was questionable enough to consider criminal charges against the officers. The scandal prompted state legislators to propose a bill that would codify the appropriate use of police dogs. But state Sen. Don Ipson (R–St. George) has a simpler solution: If people don't want to be attacked by police dogs, he said last week, they should "stay home."

Ipson made it clear that he was not keen on the proposed legislation. "I don't have a lot of sympathy," he told fellow members of the Utah Senate's Judiciary, Law Enforcement, and Criminal Justice Committee. "We don't want to harm the public. But if they don't want to get bit, stay home."

There are a few problems with Ipson's stance. First of all, Jeffery Ryans, the 36-year-old man who was bitten in the incident that prompted Salt Lake City to review the use of police dogs, was smoking a cigarette in his own backyard when he was accosted by cops on April 24. They were there because someone had called 911 after hearing Ryans arguing with his wife, who had obtained a protective order against him. According to Ryans, he had moved back in with his wife weeks earlier at her invitation. She told him she had asked that the protective order be lifted, but he did not realize it was still in force because her request was pending.

Whatever the circumstances of the encounter, body camera footage obtained by The Salt Lake Tribune clearly showed that Ryans was cooperating with police when Officer Nickolas Pearce told his dog to attack. "Get on the ground!" Pearce shouted. "Get on the ground, or you're going to get bit!" Ryans crouched, then kneeled on the ground with his hands in the air. Pearce nevertheless set the dog on Ryans, who said, "I'm on the ground! I'm on the ground! Why are you biting me? I'm on the ground! Stop! Ow! What the fuck?" But as far as Pearce was concerned, the dog was doing exactly what he was supposed to do. "Good boy," Pearce said.

Last month Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill charged Pearce with second-degree aggravated assault, a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison. Ryans "wasn't resisting arrest," Gill said. "He certainly wasn't posing an imminent threat of violence or harm to anyone, and he certainly wasn't concealed. He was fenced in an area and was being compliant."

Even if Ryans was not on his own property when he was attacked, of course, Pearce's use of force would have been excessive. "It is absolutely appalling that Sen. Ipson would make such a terrible statement in support of police violence," Lauren Simpson, policy director at the Alliance for a Better Utah, said in response to the legislator's comments. "Suggesting that people should just 'stay home' if they don't want to experience police brutality is truly one of the more obscene things to be uttered recently by a sitting lawmaker in Utah."

Contacted by the Tribune, Ipson revised his position. "Ipson apologized for misspeaking by saying Utahns should stay home if they want to avoid being bitten by police dogs," the paper reports, "but he stood behind his underlying argument—which is that committing crimes puts people at risk of encounters with law enforcement." And then, apparently, all bets are off.

"I'm 73 years old," Ipson said. "I've never been threatened by a K-9 dog. If you don't want to have a confrontation with a police officer or a K-9 dog…you don't break the law."

Ryans, who plans to sue the Salt Lake City Police Department, has a somewhat different perspective. The injuries that Pearce's dog inflicted on his lower left leg, which caused infections as well as nerve and tendon damage, required multiple surgeries and lost him his job as a train engineer. "I felt like a chew toy," he told the Tribune. "I didn't know why this was happening to me. That's what was going through my mind: Why?"

Ryans, who is black, thinks his race helps explain the police response. "People need to know black lives matter," he said. "Everybody matters, but you can't just treat people differently because of their religion or their skin color. I developed myself to get to where I'm at right now. I should have the same respect as others. We don't get it."

The attack on Ryans is reminiscent of a case that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit heard in 2018. Alexander Baxter, a burglary suspect arrested in 2014, alleged that Nashville cops sicced a police dog on him while he was sitting on the ground with his hands in the air. Even if that was true, the 6th Circuit ruled, the officers "did not violate clearly established law" and were therefore entitled to qualified immunity. In other words, the court said Baxter was not allowed to sue police under 42 USC 1983 for the same alleged behavior—siccing a dog on a nonresisting suspect—that Utah prosecutors thought was clearly felonious.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to review Baxter's case. Justice Clarence Thomas dissented. "I have previously expressed my doubts about our qualified immunity jurisprudence," he wrote. "Because our §1983 qualified immunity doctrine appears to stray from the statutory text, I would grant this petition."

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  1. Clarence Thomas, that corporate/establishment tool!


    1. I learned everything I need to know about Mormons at Mountain Meadows.

      1. That they feared Federal overreach?

        1. Hey Chuck I’m sure you support the cops and Ipson because you Mormons stick together no matter what! You never let facts, logic, or common sense get in your way. You believe you’re better than everyone right?

          The truth is you’re not better than everyne, but WORSE. Your life has less value than mine because you worship a con artist pedophile. You also believe a bunch of goddamn nonsense about native americans coming from the middle east. Despite there being zero evidence supporting your beliefs you’ll never admit you’re wrong. All Mormons are stubborn and will never admit being wrong.

          You’re a rotten people who can’t be fixed. Since you insist on forcing your backwards views on everyone you need to be eliminated. I’m not gonna stand by and let you people destroy the country.

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        2. Chuck won’t respond because what would he say? He’d lie obviously because he can’t help but lie. He’s also a coward. Mormons talk about being for small government, but only when it suits them. They love “federal overreach” if it’s waging war in Iraq, rounding up brown people, or subsidizing their churches or schools.
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        3. He’s referring to the consensus opinion at the time that polygamy amounted to barbarism, and that it didn’t belong in the fledgling America.

          So troops were sent to enforce the new law that banned polygamy.

          Brigham Young, knowing this, began a doomsday campaign complete with preparations for all Mormons to desert Utah and head for Mexico.

          Next, he made a deal with the nearby Indians to sack the Fancher wagon train, with Brigham “allowing” the Indians to steal their cattle and whatever else they wanted.

          Mormons up and down Utah then began harassing the Fanchers, claiming that these wagons from Missouri were talking shit about their prophet, that they’d personally killed him.

          The Fanchers were just a large lot of family and friends heading to the gold rush in San Francisco. There’s no way they were talking shit on someone else’s home court. Especially since they needed to do business with the Mormons to get supplies and food.

          The Mormons closed their doors to the Fanchers, causing them to press on with hardly anything. Then they got to the end of Utah and the Indians attacked. The Fanchers by this point knew something was up, and they rallied the wagons in circle, enclosing the women and children, while defending with limited guns and ammo.

          The mormons made a big mistake though when they were discovered to be dressed like Indians during the siege. Not knowing what to do now that the entire Fancher party was aware that Mormons were attacking them, not just Indians, the mormons tricked them in to giving up their guns in a fake truce. After the guns were surrendered, each Mormon unloaded on one of the Fanchers.

          But they didn’t stop there, in the end, over 120 women and children were savagely massacred – bludgeoned, brain bashed, scalped, shot and ddecaptitated. Two 15 year old girls begged for their lives, and they were gang raped before being scalped – by Mormons.

          The bodies were left in the sun to rot, the Mormons did leave all children under 7 alive, and took them back to town. The children would later wonder why their new guardians were wearing their parents jewelry or clothes. Sick, sick fucks.

          The troops arrived and saw the dead people, now stripped and looted. They gave them a proper burial and erected a rock cairn memorial.

          Brigham Young denied and covered up the incident for twenty years. Finally he gave one man up as a scapegoat to the feds. Eventually Brigham made it down to the battleground and desecrated the rock cairn, stating “veangence is mine, and I have had a little.”

          The assessment of Mormons is sadly, correct. They are pieces of shit and need to have their religion stamped out.

          1. When I heard about the Mormons killed in Mexico last year or the year before, I cannot say I felt it wasn’t karma.

        4. Chuck won’t respond because he’s a piece of shit pussy.

          All Mormons are stupid scumbags, but the ones born into the church have the excuse of never knowing anything else. It should be considered child abuse to brainwash your children into worshipping a pedo con artist. The people not raised Mormon, but convert as adults are a special kind of stupid. Glenn Beck is an example(explains why he’s fucking insane). If you’re dumb enough to convert as an adult you need to be stopped from breeding. All Mormons need to be stopped from breeding, but the converts should be made a priority.

          Goddamn they’re the last people who should be having kids, but THEY BREED LIKE RABBITS! They are trying to take over. They try and convert everyone they come in contact with. They lie about their beliefs and their history. They’re all so set in their ways they won’t even consider that maybe what the church taught them isn’t 100% correct. That’s why when confronted with evidence that contradicts what they’ve been taught they lie about something else or just ignore.
          Goddamn scumbags are rotten to their core. Just a bad group of people. Part of why they act so friendly is so people won’t notice what pieces of shit they are. Also to try and convert people.

      2. It doesn’t matter who anybody is. Anybody, regardless of religion, race, ethnicity, or color, is capable of being vicious like that. This kind of abuse of power knows absolutely NO boundaries.

        1. Mormons are much more likely to vicious assholes. They believe their backwards beliefs are better than everyone else’s beliefs. So it’s ok for them to try to aggressively convert or just force their beliefs on others. If they become convinced someone won’t accept their beliefs they figure they might as well die so they can be converted once they die(baptism for the dead).
          Yes anyone can be a dick like the cops, but Mormons are far more likely to be assholes to non Mormons.

          Goddamn bigoted scumbags.

    2. It’s not just Clarence Thomas, but pretty much the whole SCOTUS! It’s beyond disgraceful.

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  3. Not sure why people dont blast these dogs dead for biting them.

    Then when tyrannical cops and district attorneys charge you will killing a cop and demand the death penalty, you bring up that dogs are property in almost every state.

    You cannot be charged with killing property.

    Subtract your $500 restitution for replacement of a police dog from a $1 million Fourth Amendment violation settlement.

    1. Don’t forget that it’s SOP in many police departments to shoot dogs on sight.

    2. “Not sure why people dont blast these dogs dead for biting them.”

      Because they don’t want to die?

    3. Actually, killing a police dog is a felony in some states.

      1. You cant kill property. These felony statutes for shooting a police dog dont stand up to constitutional scrutiny.

        We gave police dogs this magical protection when we militarized police forces around the USA.

        In the military, we called dogs military working dogs. If they got shot or blown up, oh well.

        1. Yeah, but if you shot their dog, they would shoot you. Hell, they’re liable to shooot you anyway, so don’t give them an excuse.

        2. One has to also bear in mind that this militarization of the police departments throughout the United States is not a new thing. It began under G. W. Bush, continued under Barack Obama, and has continued since.

    4. Because you will get shot dead by the (human) cops long before you can draw on the dog.

      I know it’s the internet and we’re not supposed to think hard before posting but come on.

      1. You poor guy. Youre Not big on rational thought.

        1. Advocating murder by cops for shooting some police property (the dog).

          1. He’s not advocating – he’s clearly making a statement of fact. If you shoot s police dog, you will be killed by the cops. There is no alternative scenario.

            1. Because cops are scum.

    5. Not sure why people dont blast these dogs dead for biting them.

      Yeah, I can’t imagine how that might turn out badly for them.

      1. By the time you are thinking about shooting a police dog because it’s attacking you, things have already turned out badly.

    6. The reason why people don’t shoot these dogs is twofold.

      First, they’re seldom facing the dog while armed. If they even had a gun to begin with, the cops disarm them BEFORE sending in the dog.

      Second, if they do harm the dog, the cop will shoot them for it. You have to be alive to get any benefit from suing. Even if they survive being shot by the cops, many states have laws that make attacking a service dog of any kind – which includes police dogs – for any reason a crime. In some states, it’s even a felony equally as severe as inflicting the same level of harm on a human officer. Civil courts generally won’t let you sue a cop for something if there is a pending criminal charge against you related to that incident.

      1. Cops send in dogs to find suspects, so you dont know what your talking about.

        Then you advocate murder of a person for defending themselves from a dog violating their 8th amendment right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment.

        Having your flesh torn open is excessive force.

        I would just shoot the police dog.

        1. Listen old timer, he just explained that you won’t have a gun on you because they don’t sic dogs on armed suspects. So you better be pretending to not have a gun on you the day they show up with the dog. Your position is just entrenched baffoonery, typical of our geriatric population. You couldn’t think of an alternative solution to a problem if you had a week to figure it out.

          Worse still, you’re the type of selfish fuck that’s gonna burden everyone with your dementia, instead of just manning up and taking a one way trip to the woods.

          Try to fucking comprehend what you’re reading numb nuts.

    1. If and when the Supreme Court is packed, the Green New Deal is implemented, our gun rights have been effectively neutralized, and Joe Biden is writing the consent decree that decides what we are and aren’t allowed to say on social media, we’ll see how libertarian Joe Biden is.

      Authoritarian socialism doesn’t become libertarian capitalism just because a bunch of ninnies wish it to be so.

      1. I believe it’s the social media companies themselves limiting what can be said on their platforms. They are private companies so they can do what they want. The libertarian approach would be to not use their platforms and start your own.

        1. The social media giants work hand in glove with Intel Community – you’d be hard-pressed convince me otherwise.

          All that bullshit about “reigning them in” is Kubuki theater. It’s one of those things democrats and republicans can agree on, because it gives them a better vice grip on power.

  4. Seems like Reason has published several dozen articles highlighting abuses by police ever since riots occurred following George Floyd’s death (which was likely due to an overdose of fentanyl).

    But Reason still hasn’t published any of the massive new evidence documenting the corruption by the Bidens.

    1. Don’t worry. Corruption in urban police departments will be stopped when Democrats win the upcoming elections at the federal, state, and local levels and put an end to Republican incompetence and obstruction.

      1. If you believe that, I have a few dozen bridges to sell you. There are just as many Democrat-controlled cities with out of control cops as there are Republican-controlled ones.

        1. What Officer Pearse did by siccing the dog on Ryans was vicious–and beyond disgusting. I’m glad that Office Pearse is being charged with assault or whatever. Here’s hoping Ofcr. Pearse does end up in the slammer for a long time. He deserves it.

      2. Congratulations on the most brain-dead post of the week.

    2. Too local for Reason.

    3. Was there a further release of info besides the Post original story and the Boblinski(?) press conference?

    4. Your wrong on Floyd – other coroners have come to different conclusions and there is apparently enough evidence (probable cause) to keep Murder 2 charges going. BTW, the first coroner noted there was fentanyl in the system but came to no conclusion. Other reports have suggested it may or MAY NOT have had an effect – everyone is different.

      As for the Bidens, Lots of hand waving and look at the wookie stuff going on, but no one able to point our an illegal action that Joe Bidden did. Not like Joe hired his son-in-law or daughter.

      BTW, If tRump looses, what is the over/under on him pardoning himself?

  5. If you don’t want to get bit like a thug, don’t leave home like a thug!

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    1. Magic underwear.

  7. This story is a violation of Facebook/Twitter/Youtube’s terms of service and community guidelines.


    Depiction of violence.

    All hail free speech.

  8. Sounds like Russian disinformation plus some Mitt Romney supremacy. Oh and don’t forget, Joe Biden is a crook.

  9. “I’m 73 years old,” Ipson said. “I’ve never been threatened by a K-9 dog. If you don’t want to have a confrontation with a police officer or a K-9 dog…you don’t break the law.”

    Lord knows breaking the law is the only way to have a confrontation with the police.

    1. This! I’ve had the fun of being a victim of a crime and then getting threatened with arrest because I insisted the cop actually look at the videos of the crime taking place and speak to the witnesses who saw it. Turns out the guy the that assaulted me, my daughter and a women who worked next door my business was an employee of the ex-cop’s business across the street.

    2. It would be tragic if someone reported that Sen. Asshole was pimping children and he happened to get bit by a police dog.

    3. Part of Ipson’s bag of tricks might include being white.
      It’s certainly in MY bag of tricks. Been there since I was born.
      Thanks, Mom and Dad! Saved my bacon more than once.

  10. The police should not have any dogs including the drug sniffers.
    Rescue dogs are OK.

    1. Precisely correct. (Although rescue is not really a police function)

    2. They don’t have drug sniffers. They have dogs that are trained to “signal” after a subtle cue by their handler.

  11. Ryans, who is black, thinks his race helps explain the police response.

    I wonder if that also explains why his wife sought (and obtained) a protective order against him.

    1. Dogs are fond of chicken grease.

    2. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
      Assuming for a moment that he did something to get the protective order issued, it doesn’t follow that the police had to sic the dog on him.
      I believe the story goes on to say the police officer was ultimately charged with aggravated assault.

      Don’t let your Moral Imperative blind you.

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  13. When we lose sight of the market data on things like this, as libertarian capitalists, we’re taking our eye off the ball. In fact, St. George, Utah is one of the fastest growing areas in the country–and a lot of that has to do with the combination of economic freedom and law and order policing.


    . . . silly statements by local politicians notwithstanding

    You know that adage about how Trump’s supporters take him seriously without taking him literally, and Trump’s critics take him literally without taking him seriously? That’s what we’re looking at here.

    This guy is saying that they don’t need to change the law because the family people living in St. George like the way things are just fine. Anyone who literally believes that the local politicians there want people to stay home if they don’t want to be bit is missing the point. I know local politicians in places like Minneapolis and New York have made all kinds of ridiculous statements to virtue signal–like talk of defunding the police. This is basically the same thing from the other side, but one of the big differences is that people are fleeing Minneapolis and New York because the crime is so bad, and they’re driving up housing prices in places like St. George because of the law and order.

    P.S. Joe Biden is a crook.

    1. It might also have something to do with low cost of living and a Mormon population that like women to get married young and pop out 5+ babies.

      1. You didn’t look at the link, did you?

        “According to the estimates, people moving into the state overwhelmingly made up the 6,200 or so new residents. About 86% came from net migration — a startling figure given that most places in Utah see the bulk of new growth coming from “natural” growth, or more people being born than dying.”


        That’s not surprising since very little of what you say has any grounding in facts (or logic).

        P.S. Joe Biden is a crook.

  14. Any dog trained to attack humans should be put down.

    1. any human training dogs to attack maybe. it’s never the dog’s fault.

    2. And we should believe that because you say so–or are there reasons?

      How do you plan to deprive the owners of these dogs of their property–are you planning to confiscate them while respecting the owners’ due process rights?

      Are your arguments in regards to dogs applicable to other non-lethal means of force like pepper spray and night sticks—and if not, why?

      1. Not saying that I actually agree with the sentiment, but a dog trained to attack people *can* “go off” by itself, unlike pepper spray or a nightstick. The two categories are not equivalent.

        1. That’s why you keep them on a chain or behind a well locked fence behind your business or in your backyard. Keep the gate locked.

          If you steered your car into oncoming traffic, you could potentially hurt other people. The way to avoid that isn’t to confiscate everybody’s cars. It’s to avoid steering your car into oncoming traffic.

          1. We are dog people. So we are looking at moving and high priority is a dog ready yard with a fence or do we need to install one. Because they need that in addition to walking on a leash.

            They are great dogs and never hurt anyone. So one of them is very bonded with my wife. I know from his behavior that if anyone was aggressive to her they would have 80 pounds of very pissed off lab to deal with. That is good. It is not why we have the dog.

            The smaller one is a great watch dog. If anything is around he warns and goes right for it. There was a recent encounter with a skunk which did not go well.

            Some people are dog people others are not.

            Never keep your dog chained up in the yard.

            1. Never keep your dog chained up in the yard.”

              If your dog is trained to attack people, it’s one option.

              Whether people should choose that option is another question.

    3. Dogs trained to indiscriminately attack humans, sure. But police dogs are trained to only attack on command. We don’t blame the pistol when a cop pulls the trigger, don’t blame the dog on the same grounds.

      1. >>Dogs trained to indiscriminately attack humans, sure.

        still not the dog’s fault … they don’t do indiscriminate.

    4. Training dogs to attack is animal abuse.

    5. No, the animal in the costume should be put down. Along with his puppet masters back in their offices.

  15. You have a difficult fight and someone violating a protective order and you don’t want police to use force?

    So you don’t want police to protect women from domestic violence anymore?

    1. Someone who is cooperating and obeying instructions is a “difficult fight”?

      1. To a “back the blue” coward, everything is scary and thus all force is always justified. So long as the courts accept it, poltroon policing will continue to be trained and excused.

  16. “The great masses of men, though theoretically free, are seen to submit supinely to oppression and exploitation of a hundred abhorrent sorts. Have they no means of resistance? Obviously they have. The worst tyrant, even under democratic plutocracy, has but one throat to slit. The moment the majority decided to overthrow him he would be overthrown. But the majority lacks the resolution; it cannot imagine taking the risks.” ~ H. L. Mencken (1926). “Notes on Democracy,” p. 50, Alfred A. Knopf
    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

  17. Dear Public Servant,
    If you don’t want to be hung for Treason, don’t violate your oath of office.
    Sic Semper Tyrannis

  18. Most cops in Utah are Mormon, so this doesn’t surprise me. I’m sure Ipson is Mormon. The people on here that say Mormons are usually libertarian are delusional. Mormons say they’re libertarian, but they’re not. They support the war on drugs(and will outlaw alcohol if given the chance). They’re pro death penalty. They love big government as long as it’s far right authoritarian. It’s impossible to reason with them. They refuse to even consider they aren’t 100% right about everything.

    Don’t care if I’m called a bigot. If you defend Mormons you’re defending lying pedophile worshippers.

    1. Mormons are only libertarian to the extent that they don’t want the feds to bust down their doors to prevent child abuse and stop their business scams.

  19. After body camera footage showed that a Salt Lake City police officer had sicced a dog on a cooperative suspect, an internal audit revealed what Mayor Erin Mendenhall described as “a pattern of abuse”

    This has a smell about it if the account is true. I am not saying that is or not but there is a smell. Now this is what the politicians were elected for. When an officer misbehaves it is the responsibility of the politicians to see that justice is done. In this case this officer appears to be involved in about two thirds of the attacks by police dog over the last 18 months. The question is why did it take the POLITICIANS so long to do something about this officer.
    nowi don’t agree with this politician solution either which is according to state Sen. Don Ipson (R–St. George) has a simpler solution: If people don’t want to be attacked by police dogs, he said last week, they should “stay home.” If a suspect is not resisting no matter what the crime that person does not deserve to be attacked by a police dog nor shot. What the suspect deserves is his/her time in the criminal court. If found guilty then time in prison as defined by the law with modifications according to the situation.
    If the politicians would take care of the police officers who are not performing their duties as prescribed by the rules and regulations and by the training that they have been trained. It is the politicians who sets the rules and regulations the police are to conduct themselves. So if the politicians fail their responsibility then soon the officers will fail theirs. So to correct this type of misconduct by officers is to replace the politicians who have oversight of the police and any other politicians that pass regulations or agree to with the police unions to put any regulation in the rule books that allow this kind of activity.
    Now if this is a true case of improper police conduct the city should be liable for compensation to the victim and depending how egregious the actions is also the officer would have liability in addition to the city/state. The city/state’s liability would be handed out as a punishment to the city/state to insure that it did its job to prevent such activity by the officers.

  20. Cops are too militarized and that needs to change.

  21. Fucking pig motherfuckers. 100% uncalled for.

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  23. American copping usually uses a Belgian Malinois, an absolute garbage animal, for their biter dogs.

  24. That Senator Ipson sounds like a complete asshole. “Stay home if you don’t want to be attacked by police dogs”?!?. My ass….what the hell kind of an attitude is that? If the people who voted that S. O. B. in in the first place had even a modicum of common sense and decency, they wouldn’t have voted that Ipson into office in the first place. Here’s hoping his coalition has the good sense to vote him the fuck out of office during the next election.

  25. It will be far easier for the vigilantes of tomorrow to put down the dogs of war than the actual soldiers. The question is; how far are the police willing to go?

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