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Court Thwarts Trump's Attempt To Exclude Undocumented Immigrants From Census

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A federal court has thwarted an executive order that said undocumented immigrants should not be counted in the 2020 Census. In a Thursday ruling, the court noted that President Donald Trump's July 21 order runs contrary to America's historical method of tallying an area's population—a count that matters for purposes of determining how many seats in the U.S. House of Representatives that area gets. The judges ordered the secretary of commerce not to enact the order.

"Throughout the Nation's history, the figures used to determine the apportionment of Congress—in the language of the current statutes, the 'total population' and the 'whole number of persons' in each State—have included every person residing in the United States at the time of the census, whether citizen or non-citizen and whether living here with legal status or without," states the decision, penned by a three-judge panel from the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.

"We declare the Presidential Memorandum to be an unlawful exercise of the authority granted to the President by statute," the judges concluded.

The case—New York Immigration Coalition v. Trumpwas brought by the national American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the New York Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU of Texas, and Arnold & Porter on behalf of the New York Immigration Coalition, Make the Road New York, CASA, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, the ADC Research Institute, and FIEL Houston.

"The constitutional mandate is clear—every person counts in the census," said Dale Ho, who directs the ACLU's Voting Rights Project, in a statement. "Undocumented immigrants are people—and nothing President Trump does or says changes that fact."

"The court order bars work by the Census Bureau that would allow it to produce a separate count excluding people in the U.S. illegally," notes The Wall Street Journal:

There isn't a citizenship question on the census, after the Supreme Court last year blocked the president's plan to add one. To carry out the president's latest order, the bureau had planned to match census responses with citizenship-verified records from state and federal agencies to estimate how many people in each state weren't legal residents.

This, the judges ruled, would violate the law that requires Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who supervises the bureau, to send a single set of numbers—a "tabulation of total population by States"—to the president. The memo also violated the law because "so long as they reside in the United States, illegal aliens qualify as 'persons in' a 'State' as Congress used those words," the panel ruled.

The Trump administration can still appeal the decision. Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports that "around a half dozen lawsuits around the U.S. were filed by states, cities, immigrant advocates and civil rights groups challenging its legality and constitutionality" of Trump's July 21 order. "The New York case is the first to get a ruling, but there are other issues the New York judges didn't address that could be addressed in the other court cases."


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• Yesterday, the Wisconsin Supreme Court told state election officials "that they can't mail out absentee ballots until the court decides whether to add the Green Party's presidential ticket to the ballot," reports CNN. The ruling comes just a week before "the September 17 deadline for when the 1,850 municipal clerks need to mail out absentee ballots to Wisconsin voters who asked for one is set in state law."

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  1. Cops And Paramedics Are Still Killing Arrestees By Shooting Them Up With Ketamine

    Is it their fault if the perps can’t handle their shit?

    1. Those fucking paramedics, always willing to do Big Cop’s dirty work.

      Now my brother who is a paramedic says the idea that they’re injecting arrestees based solely on a cops order and not their own diagnosis of the situation, is bullshit.
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      Go look at and read the articles he links to. One of them is that sophomoric Duke study (laser beams!) and the other a WaPo article.

      I need crazy pills.

      1. By the way, the Duke one isn’t even randomized or peer reviewed as far as I know, yet it gets peddled around as ‘proof’ it can block droplets.

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      2. There is no solid study saying masks do shit against an airborne virus. This is against decades of research. Some models predict it may. But we see no correlation of areas with heavy mask usage against infection rates. A few of the studies show a reverse correlation.

        First, viruses are small. Masks we are wearing dont do much. Social distancing might due to distance between subjects.

        Second, most people cover their mouths when they cough or sneeze. Want to know how often o see someone in a mask remove it and not cover their mouth when they do so? Don’t want to dirty up the mask you’re forced to wear all day.

        Third, people touch their masks all day long.

        This could go on and on.

        1. Read the box they come in: “Not for medical use”.
          Useless theater.

        2. Some models predict it may.
          Haven’t you heard? Models are proof now.

      3. I need crazy pills.

        Because if you take some pills that make you crazy, you’ll no longer feel crazy in this fucking world? 😉

        I hear that.

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    3. “Undocumented Immigrants”

      You misspelled “illegal aliens”

      1. As if Trumptards know how to spell.

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  2. Yesterday, the Wisconsin Supreme Court told state election officials “that they can’t mail out absentee ballots until the court decides whether to add the Green Party’s presidential ticket to the ballot…”

    So now it’s the Green Party stealing post office mailboxes???

    1. The democrats have sued in multiple states to kick the green candidate off of ballots. Not one article about this here but multiple post office conspiracies.

      1. Somebody remembers what Ms. Stein did to Hillary’s chances in PA, MI, and WI.

      2. My understanding is the Dem lawsuits came after it was revealed that Green ballot-access measures were being funded in part by Republicans.

        At least in some states the Greens have stated they weren’t even aware there were petitions being circulated to get them on the balot

        Its a weird state of affairs where the 2 major parties use 3rd party ballot access as a weapon against the other, while one of the main third parties doesn’t even want to be represented

        1. Wow, all your cites must have gotten eaten by your dog…..

        2. It is telling that the Democrats have done this with the LP for years in tight races and that the DNC is only sueing to get the GP off the ballot not the LP, which (based upon historical evidence) they likely help sponsor behind the scenes (probably without the LPs knowledge as well).

          1. The DNC has also sponsored ballot access for conservative 3rd parties like the Constitiuton party in red and purple states.

            1. Hey loser and sucker and liar medic: Mormons were killed by Nazis but not for being Mormon! Did your cunt Mormon mother tell you? More lies from the LDbS church. I pray your family(the Mormon ones) die.

              1. Don’t be mad just because those hot Mormon chicks wouldn’t let you defile them, rapist.

              2. Mormons, Jehova Witnesses and. seventh Day Adventists were killed for practicing their religion, which was contrary to the Nazi regimes teachings. So once again you are wrong and defending genocide based upon religious beliefs. Keep showing your bigotry.

              3. Talk about gaslighting. You are defending your wish for genocide based upon your belief that it is not the same as Nazi genocide. Really? That’s your best defense?

                1. There weren’t many Mormons in Germany. They weren’t killed for being Mormon. They were killed for the same reason any german could get killed! Again if your Mormon family members told you it’s because they’re liars and cheats. My point is Mormons lie all the goddamn time and you’re a sucker(and loser). Tell your Mormon family members to fuck themselves.

  3. If you aren’t a citizen, you don’t get representation, and the census decides how representation is divided up.

    1. Imagine the case of the Rotten Boroughs in 19th century Britain, where some MPs were sent to Parliament with 14 votes cast. Suppose your Congressional district is East LA and you are elected into office by 6500 votes. Total. That plus the 400 votes for your opponent are how many people are registered to vote in your district. Not the vote total found in most other districts, but imagine the money saved campaigning.

      1. The Democrats have been historically in favor of a serf population to bolster numbers in their districts but who are ineligible to vote.

    2. Except the Constitution doesn’t say “citizens” it says “free persons” so unless you are going to argue that immigrants are slaves, the Constitution clearly requires them to be counted

      1. Just think of it as the “five-fifths compromise”.

      2. Yet somehow we manage to not count tourists and people here on long vacations, even though they are here and “free persons”. So there are persons here that we choose to not count.

        It’s a bit of a conundrum to explain how someone here legally but even extended temporary isn’t counted, but someone not here legally and with an unknown permanency status is counted.

        It doesn’t need to be this hard. Simple test – citizen, permanent legal resident status, counted. Everyone else, no.

        1. He must be busy or something. I’m sure he’s got a response.

      3. Pretending the US Constitution means illegal aliens when it addresses “the people” or “free people” is like pretending the U.S. Constitution is legally applicable to the entire UNIVERSE…

        Hint, hint — The UNITED STATES constitution not the constitution for the UNIVERSE. Look to Amendment 14 – for WHAT constitutes “people” of the constitution. The judges are pulling BS out of their *sses. (cherry-picking words from the constitution to make their own)

    3. The 2A is not a suicide pact. The Census is.

    4. It is weird that illegal residents are counted, but apparently that’s how it has been done for a long time. I don’t think they should be, but it should also be fixed by Congress not executive order.

      1. “but it should also be fixed by Congress not executive order.”

        Explain your logic in this case

        1. It would have to be fixed by constitutional amendment, as the language of the census clause is pretty clear: “the whole Number of free Persons”

          1. But it also has:

            “such manner as they shall by Law direct”

            There is no law requiring the count of those illegally here.

          2. “Free persons in a state” refers to state residents, not people physically present. You’re not a state resident if you’re in the country illegally. Illegals should not be counted under the Constitution.

            1. Where are you getting that interpretation?

              1. Article I. In counting the population of the states to determine how many representatives a state can have in Congress, Indians were expressly not to be counted unless they paid taxes.

                1. What kind of taxes? Because illegal aliens still pay sales, and sometimes other taxes such as property taxes.

                  1. The Indians had to register with Indian affairs. They had (have) their own separate census. Per your own idiocy, without such a census, there’s no way to know who’s paid what tax.

                    1. Or rather, should the ~50% of US Citizens who pay no net income tax not be counted in the Census? This number includes many retirees, low income working families, etc.

                      Moreover, immigrants are required to apply for a Tax ID # and file a Federal Income tax return, regardless of whether they are off-status or working legally on the books.

                2. Plenty of US Citizens pay no income tax.

                  Should they not be able to vote either?

              2. You said “the language of the census clause is pretty clear: ‘the whole Number of free Persons'”, so you made an appeal to common sense. I’m disagreeing with your interpretation, based on history and analogies to other laws.

                More importantly, though, your desire to count illegals as full persons is the same desire as that of slave holders wanting to count their slaves as full persons: it’s an attempt to give disproportionate representation to a ruling class by counting people who are not represented in Congress. It’s anti-democratic and morally reprehensible.

            2. It would be inappropriate for me to go to the next state over on vacation and fill out a census form while I’m there? Weird. 😉

        2. What Kevin says right below.

          1. Or as it turns out, right above.

          2. Except he missed a big part of the clause.

      2. It would have to be “fixed” by a constitutional amendment.

        1. or it could be fixed when people stop cherry-picking parts/words and willfully making their own meaning out of it.

      3. Congress never determined the manner in the first place…. why would a law be needed to undo nothing in law?

        1. Are you sure about that?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census

          “Title 13 of the United States Code governs how the census is conducted and how its data is handled. Information is confidential as per 13 U.S.C. § 9. The census law, coupled with the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 (Title 18 of the United States Code, Sections 3551, 3559, and 3571), provides for penalties of up to $5,000 for not responding or for willfully providing false answers to any question.”

        2. “13 U.S. Code § 141 (a) The Secretary shall, in the year 1980 and every 10 years thereafter, take a decennial census of population”

          The Constitution says to count “free persons”. This section of the code says to count population. Neither says anything about only counting legal residents. I have no idea what all court cases have been decided (and don’t bluff, neither do you).

          1. I’ve clearly been thinking about the census all wrong.

            NM should claim all of California’s population. We’d have hella congressional representation then.

            1. STOP SAYING HELLA, PERLCHPR!

              1. *laughing*

                Not a terrible point.

                But, I also realized I’ve got the idea wrong. New Mexico shouldn’t count the people in California. We should claim the people in Old Mexico.

                1. Claim everyone driving past on I-10 and I-40.

          2. And which one of these laws did you think was the gotcha regarding illegal aliens? Free persons never meant illegal residents just like it never meant diplomats and people here on temporary visas.

            Do you want to try for a real argument for once in your life?

            1. I wasn’t trying to make a “gotcha”. I don’t claim to be any kind of expert on this matter.

              Where in my initial comment, “It is weird that illegal residents are counted…” did it imply that I was about to put up some brilliant argument defending including illegal residents in the count?

              1. Yes you were. We were talking about counting of illegal immigrants and then lost the law of when census happens temporally. It was a complete gotcha and almost as far off topic as one could go. It wasn’t honest argumentation.

                Read the judges ruling, he cites no law. For some reason he brought up the citizenship question rulings year which has no bearing on the counting question he presided over. His primary thesis was historical norms, not law or constitution.

                Try honest argumentation for once in your life.

                1. You were talking about counting of illegal immigrants. I was talking about the appropriateness of using an executive order to change the way the census is conducted.

                  And, by the way, your second sentence is incoherent.

              2. And btw, last years USSC rule was also not based on statutory consideration but a finding of animus. It was a joke of a ruling.

          3. The Constitution says to count “free persons”

            If you’re in the country illegally, you’re not a “free person”, since you can be removed from the country at any time, and you have neither the rights nor benefits of a free person; the US Constitution applies to illegals only in a limited way.

            This section of the code says to count population. Neither says anything about only counting legal residents.

            Therefore, since neither of them actually defines the terms, and since the inclusion of illegals was an executive decision, an executive decision can undo it. Hence JesseAZ is correct: Congress never determined the manner in the first place…. why would a law be needed to undo nothing in law?

    5. Part of the problem with not counting the illegal residents may also be the estimation method that the Trump administration wants to use. Has estimation been used in the census? Isn’t it supposed to literally be a _count_ of persons.

    6. Except the constitution says that the census is to count people, not citizens, and not eligible voters.

      Minors don’t get to vote and there for technically don’t get representation, but they get counted.

      1. They didn’t count Indians, they counted slaves differently, they didn’t and don’t count diplomats, they didn’t and don’t count those on temporary visas….

        So it must not be all persons.

      2. “Free persons” by definition excludes inmates who are not free. The illegal aliens in detention are likewise not free.

  4. ‘We want China to grow’: Biden stands by supporting expanded China trade
    by Emily Larsen
    | September 10, 2020 05:53 PM
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/we-want-china-to-grow-biden-stands-by-supporting-expanded-china-trade

    1. That’s pretty much been Dem party policy since Clinton, though.

      1. And a huge chuck of the elected GOP.

        1. Yep, especially since Nixon was the one who started the Chinese dick-sucking parade.

        2. Normalizing relations with China is going to go down as the biggest strategic mistake in the country’s history, when it’s all said and done. We should have just left them to get shit on by the Soviets and the Vietnamese, and treated it like the internal commie slapfight that it was.

          1. Getting involved with WW1 is my vote, but it’s arguable. China was eventually going to get its shit together and return to its historical role as a local Great Power. Emasculating the American working and middle classes by helping China do so, was definitely something that could have been avoided, however.

            1. 1. WWI
              2. Libya, after Qaddafi had actually given up his wmd program
              3. China

              Though I think letting Qaddafi get bayonet-raped might actually be #1.
              Actually, yea, it is.
              Killed any chance of non-proliferation from now on

            2. Getting involved in WW1, while regrettable, was arguably unavoidable considering how much our export economy was tied to Europe. Kissing up to China, on the other hand, was completely avoidable. I understand why Nixon and Kissinger did it, from their own strategic perspective, but ultimately we ended up shanking our own long-term economic and geopolitical security by doing so, without any reciprocation in China become less authoritarian or adversarial.

              1. Nixon and his followers trusted, but did not verify. We should have tied access to US markets to political reform and human rights activities.

              2. Yes but the argument could be made that Britain’s blockades were a larger drain on our economy, as Germany was also a trading partner before the war. Unlike WWII, WWI didn’t have a “good” side. Most of the human atrocities supposedly committed by Germany turned out to be British propaganda to keep the US from joining Germany’s side. It was a strong possibility until the end of 1915, and remained a possibility through 1916, the British blockade was very unpopular and German immigrants made up a large percentage of the population (and Irish immigrants who didn’t exactly love England). The German navy made the decision to resort to unrestricted submarine warfare, and even then the actual barbarity of it was overhyped by the British (who also used disguised armed trawlers in much the same tactics as German Uboat commanders). This is what eventually soured US support for Germany. England had been considered a hostile or potentially hostile power for over a century whereas Germany had never been a hostile nation. The history books don’t do a good job of describing how close the US came to fighting on Germany’s side because the Anglophiles won that debate. And WWII and the Nazi atrocities and aggression memory holed US support for Germany during the early parts of WWI.
                Wilson was a huge Anglophile and one of his main reasons for declaring neutrality in 1914 was because he was scared that the US population would side with Germany because of the British blockades.

                1. I wonder how different history would have been if Germany had US manufacturing and raw goods, as well as our Naval assets to back it up.
                  Hitler probably never have come to power, if US and Germany had prevailed, which is very likely as the combined US fleet and German fleets, and the US shipbuilding capabilities would have dwarfed the British fleet. Also, the UK depended heavily on food and manufactured goods from the US and Canada. The US likely would have invaded Canada (they had actual war plans to do exactly that if the US entered on Germany’s side). The US would likely have absorbed Canada (long a dream of many 19th century American politicians and early 20th century ones as well) and many of the British Caribbean holdings (and possibly some of the French ones as well). Germany would have demanded territory in central Europe from the Russians, and Austro-Hungary would have absorbed the Balkans and many of the Russian backed central European Countries. Also, England and France would likely had to have given up some of their African colonies and Middle East colonies to Germany and the Ottoman Empire. Italy would likely have been forced to turn over some of their northern provinces to Austro-Hungary, and possibly some of their African colonies.
                  Depending on how long the war lasted, and how costly it would have been (it is quite possible that US intervention in 1915 would have drastically shortened the war because English Naval dominance would have been sorely tested if not outright broken) if the Tsar would have been deposed.
                  Wilson would likely also not have had an excuse to get his League of Nations founded if the war had been shorter. And Japan, having declared for the Allies may have been checked or confronted much earlier by the US. This has implications for China’s, Korea’s and Vietnam’s modern history.

                  1. Good analysis.
                    Even had we just stayed neutral, it would have ended in stalemate, with no harsh treaty terms.
                    There wouldn’t have been resolution, probably, but Hitler and the Nazis are less likely to take power.
                    WWII still would’ve happened, but it might have been a more united Europe against the Soviets instead.
                    Lots of different ways to go if the US progressives don’t jump into WWI on the anglo side.

                2. “Yes but the argument could be made that Britain’s blockades were a larger drain on our economy, as Germany was also a trading partner before the war.”

                  That. We never tried to push the Brits on their blockade of the Central Powers. Yet the Germans submarine blockade was this great evil. It couldn’t have anything to do with which European countries our leaders were heavily invested in.

                  Getting involved turned a likely stalemate and Armistice into a one sided victory that set the table for WW2. Though I think the Germans still release Lenin onto the Russians like some hideous virus.

                  It also had hideous civil liberties effects here, like the Palmer raids. Just a giant amount of power aggrandizement by the Feds.

                  1. They actual grievances of Germany’s were more legitimate. France and England basically wanted to shut Germany out of the imperialism game they had been playing for four centuries. Not defending imperialism but Germany’s complaint that France and England were blocking them from colonizing Africa, while also colonizing Africa was more legitimate than France and England’s complaint that Germany didn’t have a right to establish colonies while France and England were greedily colonizing all of Africa.

    2. Go look at and read the articles he links to. One of them is that sophomoric Duke study (laser beams!) and the other a WaPo article.

    3. I still stand by the optimistic libertarian belief that more trade with China and more growth of its economy will push them toward being a more free society. And, the opposite, isolating them and ourselves, will lead to both China and the United States being more oppressive.

      1. Might as well stand in front of a Chinese tank.

      2. After nearly 50 years, optimism and delusion are basically indistinguishable.

        1. China has gotten more free and more prosperous in the last 50 years. It’s not perfect, especially lately, but the trend is there.

          1. Just ask the Uighurs. I’m sure they’ll tell you they feel very free. Especially while the Han Chinese political commissar that lives with them is listening.

            1. Every last Chinamen has been freed from the burden of choosing between Emperor Xi and someone else until Xi is dead. Freedom achieved.

            2. Previous generations were only free to choose between zero and 1 child to live in service of the state, the current generation can freely choose between zero, 1, and 2 children to bear in service of the state. Freedom achieved.

              1. One of the most oppressive parts of Chinese government, but even in your example the trend is toward a bit more freedom than in the past.

                1. It doesn’t surprise me at all that you don’t seem to understand the distinction between options, choices, and freedom.

                  1. Of course I understand: “One of the most oppressive parts of Chinese government…”

            3. I acknowledge that the Uighurs are violently oppressed.

              1. I don’t know of any hard evidence of Uighur oppression. Where are the satellite photos? Why hasn’t proof been stolen by hackers?

                And why aren’t we spelling them Weegers?

          2. China’s standard of living has improved, but it’s definitely not more free

            1. I don’t think you can have a significant increase in the standard of living without more freedom sneaking in with that increased prosperity.

              1. “I don’t think”

                You could’ve stopped there. We’ve gone from the certainty of “has gotten” to “there’s a trend” to “I don’t think” without any real in depth challenge or convoluted analysis.

          3. China has gotten more free and more prosperous in the last 50 years

            This statement is laughable in the face of reality.

            1. Just from people I know. An exchange student from Shanghai, Yphan, came to live with my sister’s family for a year. He has now emigrated to Australia. Being allowed to travel and emigrate is absolutely an example of more freedom.

              1. The exchange student fled.

                Have no doubt about that.

                1. And he had the freedom to do so. Fifty years ago that would not be an option.

      3. Naivete is the worst trait of idealistic libertarianism.

        1. People like White knight are why many people think libertarians are autistic.

          1. That’s an insult to ‘many people’ and the autistic.

      4. More trade with a communist regime gives them more money to buy American politicians, American companies, American academics, and American real restate. It helps them realize their dream of returning to they’re former glory. And they’ll use prison and slave labor to make stuff cheap enough to get to foreign currency the communist party needs.

        1. All true. Prosperity also builds up the entrepreneurial and business elements in society, builds up societal expectations of freedom, exposes the people to foreign ideas. It’s a struggle between the old authoritarian regime and free, commerce-oriented society, but we should acknowledge there are forces pushing Chinese society in both directions.

          1. The people in Hong Kong think you’re a retard Dee.

          2. Entrepreneurial… like when state banks of China force private companies to sell to them?

          3. Prosperity also builds up the entrepreneurial and business elements in society,

            Unless the spoils are stolen/seized by the government or, through insane hyper-patriotic cultural tradition, given to them. Then it’s pretty transparently the same-old authoritarian regime doing business behind a new facade.

            1. This is basic Adam Smith stuff. A centralized authority is just not capable of running a prosperous economy. They have to allow quite a bit of freedom and local decision making, or the economy will not function.

              1. A centralized authority is just not capable of running a prosperous economy.

                They are absolutely capable of grafting off of it and moving onward and outward to other hosts.

                Adam Smith doesn’t even try to get into discussions about anything like an ‘Economic Planck Length’; defining the minimum amount of divisible time/currency an authoritarian can control without mismanaging himself out of existence.

                Indeed, you’re reading of it is retartedly narrow. The assertion isn’t that they can’t exist, it’s that the longer they exist the larger and more mismanaged they become.

                1. Right, so you basically agree with the sentiment of my somewhat causal observation, but are going to nitpick that my comment wasn’t a technically detailed economic analysis. Got it.

                  Also, “they are absolutely capable of grafting off of it and moving onward and outward to other hosts”: I agree, and nothing in what I wrote says that the Chinese government cannot graft off of the economy. Of course, they do.

              2. A centralized authority is just not capable of running a prosperous economy. They have to allow quite a bit of freedom and local decision making, or the economy will not function.

                “Running the economy” is an obsession of progressives, fascists, and old-style Marxists.

                Most other authoritarians are perfectly happy to let the economy run itself. In fact, many authoritarian regimes throughout history have been more free market oriented than what we have in the US and Europe today.

          4. Prosperity also builds up the entrepreneurial and business elements in society, builds up societal expectations of freedom, exposes the people to foreign ideas.

            The idea that prosperity leads to political freedom is an unsupported progressive belief and contradicted by millennia of human history.

            All our trade with China has done so far is turned a not-so-dangerous third world sh*thole country into a serious global threat, a country whose racist and authoritarian leaders are taking a long term view with the objective of destroying Western freedoms and power.

  5. NEW: .
    @KFIAM640
    has obtained an audio recording of LA County Public Health Director Dr. Ferrer repeatedly saying in a conference call that she doesn’t expect K-12 schools to reopen until “we are done with the election” in November. Listen to audio here:
    https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1304122388691337216

    1. The follow up statements that she just used election as a visual for a date was hilarious. She said election so many times on that call.

  6. DOJ records show members of Mueller’s team ‘wiped’ phones during Trump probe
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-records-mueller-team-wiped-phones

    1. https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1304131579397189634

      Newly released DOJ records show that multiple top members of Mueller’s investigative team claimed to have “accidentally wiped” at least 15 (!) phones used during the anti-Trump investigation after the DOJ OIG asked for the devies to be handed over.

      1. https://twitter.com/IvanPentchoukov/status/1304123818135486465

        NEWS: At least 27 phones used by the Mueller team were wiped before they could be checked for records.

        Some phones just wiped themselves, in other cases there was mass password amnesia that required resets.

        Source ppg. 49-52

        1. Wow, look at all those accidents.

          Reminds me of how Hilldog and her team accidentally erased 33,000 subpoenaed emails.

          1. And each accident resulted in a COVID-19 death?
            Or is it only motorcycles?

            1. And each accident resulted in a COVID-19 death?
              You didn’t account for the multiplier effect.

        2. “Mass password amnesia”–in other words, the glowies banged in the wrong password multiple times until the phone locked and had to be reset to default.

          1. “Mass Password Amnesia” would be a good name for a band.

        3. Is that a process crime? Sic the dogs on ‘um.

          1. Probably, but as with Hillary it’s apparently only applicable if you have an (R) behind your name.

      2. Lois Lerner must have shown them the procedure.

        1. Again, it’s hilarious how spoilation isn’t a thing on the .Gov side of the aisle.

          Where’re the orders for contempt of court? Where’re the notices of disbarment hearings for the .Gov lawyers advising their clients to destroy evidence specifically noted in some official discovery order? You know, all of the things that would happen if it were, say, Exxon employees doing this sort of thing?

    2. Mueller’s team ‘wiped’ phones during Trump probe
      Like with a cloth?

      1. Virus protection?

    3. This is astounding to me. Mueller spent half of his report based on obstruction charges as loose as the president using executive privilege as an example…. yet at least 15 phones, one count has 21, being wiped after the start of an OIG investigation. This is literal destruction of evidence. 12 people, Weismann twice, all destroyed their phones on the same manner. How is that not definition of destruction. This is on top of the factory reset if Lisa pages phone.

      1. Principals, not principles. I’m for diverting the Potomac through the FBI and DoJ at this point, and washing the accumulated filth into the Chesapeake. Open their files to a bunch of historians, and let some sunlight try to disinfect the place.

        1. Open their files to a bunch of historians, and let some sunlight try to disinfect the place.

          The historian field is just as useless as any other cathedral profession. Literally everything is based in critical theory tripe.

          30-40 years ago, that kind of transparency would have yielded some intelligent analyses. Now, it would just be complaints about the systemic racism of the civil service exam.

          1. It looks like the stage is being set in this country for a truly nasty holy war. As if holy wars came in any other variety.

            We’re running out of institutions that can help this country peacefully negotiate the differences between various polities. The Courts can’t be relied upon, nor Congress, nor state and local politicians. Police can’t do it, nor academia, nor the entertainment industry. Religion is out. So is Big Science.

            1. +1 “fourth box” incoming. :-/

              Gods, this is going to suck.

              1. Yep.
                Beating cancer is a bitch

      2. “Mueller spent half of his report based on obstruction charges as loose as the president using executive privilege as an example…. yet… This is literal destruction of evidence.”

        DOUBLE STANDARDS ARE THE BEST STANDARDS BECAUSE YOU GET TWICE AS MANY AS LESS PRINCIPLED PEOPLE.

  7. One Graph Demonstrates the Shocking Toll Andrew Cuomo Took on NY’s Elderly
    The vacancy rate in New York’s nursing homes.

    Gee, I wonder what policy enacted by Cuomo could have opened up so much bedspace starting around April 20th.
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/390041.php#390041

    1. Next year he can brag about the low death rate in NY.

      1. And all the new affordable housing on the market.

    2. Cuomo: “They just moved on and went to a better place.”

  8. “The American response to COVID is best characterized as…eccentric,” writes Daniel M. Rothschild…

    So is my grandma, who Rothschild apparently wants to KILL.

    1. Go ahead and say it: Americans, and especially their leaders, are idiots.

      1. Europeans are far worse: historically illiterate, arrogant, ignorant.

    2. Not Old Granny Etiquette!

  9. Sundance, Co-Founded by Convicted Pedophile, Awards Netflix’s ‘CUTIES’ Film Featuring Twerking Preteens
    Co-founder of festival that gave award to film about 11-year-old girls twerking is alleged child molester
    https://nationalfile.com/sundance-co-founded-by-convicted-pedophile-awards-netflixs-cuties-film-featuring-twerking-preteens/

    Sterling Van Wagenen, who co-founded the Sundance Festival with Robert Redford, was sentenced to a minimum of six years in prison after being found guilty of child molestation in June last year.

    Van Wagenen was found to have molested the young girl, who has remained anonymous, on two occasions between 2013 and 2015 in Salt Lake City, Utah.

    1. https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1304234071065845760

      The whole team behind Cuties needs to be investigated. Look what I found. As a director I call tell you it’s not normal to audition 700 little girls with no acting experience. What were they told to do during auditions? They preyed on inexperienced people starstruck by Hollywood.

      1. https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1304271714407325696

        I’ve seen animal trainers & coordinators (rightly) refuse scenes for animal actors that they felt were bad for the animal. Animals are better protected on set than the little girls who acted in Cuties were. Let that sink in.

        1. https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1304220780406898689

          The 11 year old girls who were sexually exploited filming Cuties shot those scenes in front of a director, a DP, a gaffer, their parents, a choreographer, a MUA, a hair person, a camera assistant, a wardrobe person, extras and more. Not one adult protected them

          1. https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1304175108983005185

            Just imagine the director of Cuties on set telling 11 year old girls to simulate sexual moves. If we saw a man or woman doing this in any other context we’d call the police. Why are so many in Hollywood silent when kids are exploited? Is it the $$$? Do you have souls? Speak up!

            1. https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1304099775780810752

              It would probably be easier to dissuade people who believe a secret cabal of Hollywood pedophiles are bathing in kiddie blood on private islands if a section of our media didn’t dedicate themselves to defending this.

              1. Just another “right wing attack on child sexuality”…

                1. “Love is love!”

      2. I’m going to be honest. The more I hear about this movie, the more I wonder wtf. I’m getting all sorts of warning flags from the scenes I’m hearing described.

        1. https://twitter.com/RoxanneForAD46/status/1304309042555174914

          Don’t forget that
          @sagaftra
          shoots with minors require the presence of a studio teacher, who in addition to maintaining educational standards, can advocate for the kids.

          The sad, sick truth is that their own parents didn’t stop them after reading the script. #Desperate

          1. Parents have been whoring out their kids for fame going back the vaudeville days. This isn’t anything new.

            If you don’t want to normalize pedophilia, don’t give Hollywood your money and turn off the TV.

            1. Your point is accepted, but I still want to see Villeneuve’s, “Dune” though. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jJj2yHM3d3Y

        2. They apparently have a scene where an 11 year old takes and posts a picture of her vagina to the internet.

          1. +11 summons ChemJeff

        3. And you have the press DEFENDING it.

          You can make a movie condemning child exploitation WITHOUT exploiting children. I have tons of faith it is doable. Just like I could make a movie about how terrible lynching people is…without having to actually lynch anybody.

          Fuck Netflix and fuck critics defending this bullshit.

          1. From someone I trust who’s actually watched it, believe it or not, the message of the movie is actually wholesome. It’s a rejection of both the sexualization of children and the traditional Senegalese Islamic culture of the protagonist’s family.

            But damn, do they sexualize those girls in order to tell us at the end that such things are garbage and should be reviled. There’s something wrong in making a kiddie porn story to tell people that child pornography is bad.

            1. As has been said, it’s like making a movie about how torturing animals is bad by torturing animals.

      3. They preyed on inexperienced people starstruck by Hollywood.

        , their parents,

        The sad, sick truth is that their own parents didn’t stop them after reading the script.

        AYFKM? I’m pretty sure at least half these parents were on the phone with sex-change doctors hoping their kid gets chosen to transition for the sequel.

    2. There was a kind of funny take at Washington examiner that the left is desperate to prove QAnon right with this movie.

        1. Everybody needs their boogeyman.

    3. That’s not a shock, though–Hollywood is full of sex pests and pedophiles.

      There was a hilarious article on Yahoo about Halle Berry and it mentioned her little blow-up at Bryan Singer during the “Days of Future Past” filming. She repeatedly kept using the euphemism “troubles” to describe Singer’s legal issues with banging teen boys.

    4. Apparently this movie fails the Dost test used to determine if something is child porn.

      Lila Rose
      @LilaGraceRose
      For those claiming that the filmmakers did “nothing illegal,” the law & case law is crystal clear here. The filmmakers & Netflix have violated Title 18, section 2256. The Fifth Circuit created the “Dost test,” a 6-factor test to determine if images are child porn. Here they are:
      1. Whether the focal point of the visual depiction is on the child’s genitalia or pubic area;

      2. Whether the setting of the depiction is sexually suggestive, that is, in a place or pose associated with sexual activity;
      3. Whether the child is depicted in an unnatural pose or in inappropriate attire, considering the age of the child;

      4. Wether the child is fully or partially nude;

      5. Whether the visual depiction suggests sexual coyness or a willingness to engage in sexual activity; or
      6. Whether the depiction is designed to elicit a sexual response in the viewer.

      The #netflix film blatantly zooms in on sexual parts of little girls as they dance suggestively, partially clothed, for adult audiences, as explicit sexual “exploration.” It fails the Dost test.

  10. “the ACLU’s Voting Rights Project, in a statement. “Undocumented immigrants are people—and nothing President Trump does or says changes that fact.””

    DNC voter importing continues unabated. If you can’t win over the old electorate, bring in a replacement.

    1. Do Canadians qualify for the census?

      I mean, come on. We’re undocumented commenters of American life and affairs!

      1. Maybe we should register for mail-ins.

        1. Ohhh you should do that it would be halarious

        2. When caught, point and shout “Hey look! A Russian hacking the mail system!” and then run in the other direction.

          1. I’m going to say it’s racist. If Mexicans can be a race why not Canadians?

            1. They do look different with their beady eyes and flapping heads.

  11. I know a lot is lost in the vomitorium our political process has become, but in a sea of bullshit I wanted to take a minute to remember just a few of the good people we lost 19 years ago.

    Joe Coppo was a dad and a man about town in the town I grew up in. He coached baseball every year and most everyone wanted to be on his team; he had a reputation for working well with the kids who weren’t the best players and being thrilled when one of them got a hit or made a play. I was never on his teams but knew him and his sons through baseball.

    Tim Stackpole was FDNY and was childhood friends with my father. In ‘98, he was on the roof of a massive fire in Brooklyn when it collapsed, killing two other firefighters. He was in the hospital and rehab for the next three years before returning to FDNY in March 2001 and was promoted to Captain less than a week before 9/11. After miraculously surviving the ‘98 fire, he was killed when the towers collapsed.

    Finally Steve Siller was FDNY. He grew up in the same neighborhood where my father’s family used to live. He had finished his shift and was on his way home when he heard what was going down, and he turned his car around to go help. By then the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel had been closed to traffic, so he put on all his gear and ran through the tunnel to the WTC, about three miles, and was killed when the towers collapsed. Every year, there’s a great 5K in NYC that’s organized by his parents. People and firefighters come from all over to retrace his steps through the tunnel to the new WTC. I’ve run it a few times and my most vivid memory was overhearing a father tell his young son before the race “Don’t worry, there’s only good people here today.”

    We could go on forever about what our country did wrong afterwards, but to me that’s for another day. To me it feels important now more than ever not to lose sight of the fact that those who suffered most that day were doing nothing but trying to be do their best, to be good people.

    1. Amen.

      Those people had courage.

      People pant shitting in a mask pretending to care or be heroes aren’t. To me that’s a good contrast.

    2. Good post.

    3. ^^ This.

      The great thing about the United States is that at some point, when push comes to shove, people stop caring about which hat you wear and just try to help. Often the measure of your humanity is just how small that shove has to be before you are willing to do so.

      As sad as the current political climate is, 9/11 showed us that no matter how flawed and downright wrong we often are, that humanity shows up when needed.

    4. A dictionary is your friend: “I know a lot is lost in the arena exit our political process has become,”???

      1. Also “a place in which, according to popular misconception, the ancient Romans are supposed to have vomited during feasts to make room for more food.” Misconceptions aside, that seems like an apt description of our political climate.

        1. I had no idea of NOYB2’s definition.

          I got your point, Mookman. Hell of a story, and incredibly moving. So many lives irrevocably altered that day. So many heroic stories.

          1. And so much more worthy of ponderance/remembrance.

            “No necks were stood upon in the making of this tragedy.”

    5. Architectural pedantry – but:

      A Roman vomitorium was not a room where people went to practice bulimia after feasting themselves nearly to death.

      It was in fact the egress tunnels (exits) in large gathering spaces, such as arenas like the Coliseum. Because after the event the crowd would ‘spew forth’ from the venue.

      1. ‘I did not know that.’

        Was there a term for such a Roman bulimic room?

  12. More bad economic news.

    Charles Koch current net worth: $55.5 billion

    Barely enough to keep him in the global top 20. That court decision is nice, but merely counting the undocumented won’t be enough to return our benefactor to prosperity. Mr. Koch’s businesses require unlimited, unrestricted immigration.

    #OpenTheBordersToHelpCharlesKoch

    1. #AndNeedyStatesDuringTheCensus

  13. https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1303787815147315203

    France’s COVID hospitalisations at one-month high as cases surge

  14. Mentally ill

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1304291625040924672
    Misty Dawn Poole-Bohannon was arrested today in Portland, Ore. & charged with trespass and interfering with public transportation.

    1. But good porn star name.

    2. Mystic runes to protect her from Covid?

      1. Runes against face recognition?

    3. Ngo’s mugshot postings are incredible. I read somewhere that something like 80% of Antifa in Portland are on drugs of some kind, and the mugshots just solidify it. These people almost all look like some second-grader played with the Create-A-Face software on a clone machine.

      1. And there seems to be over representation of trannies and pedophiles in their ranks…

        1. And teachers…

        2. It’s not really a surprise that a movement based on the abolition of police would attract a roaches’ nest worth of criminals–they want such a society because they think they’ll be able to commit crimes with impunity (and the Antifa DAs letting them off without charges reinforces this).

          It’s not really a coincidence that every person who got tagged by St. Kyle had a criminal record.

          1. I wonder if they’ve thought this through. With no police we’d be left to deal with pedos via our own means. Jail is vastly preferable.

            1. No, they haven’t thought it through. I’ve mentioned before that they don’t quite realize yet that “no cops, no prisons, total abolition” means that it’s open season on them, too.

              They don’t actually mean it, though, because the minute a hair on their lily-white heads is harmed, they’re crying for police help, and they’re constantly getting let off by Soros’s commie DAs. They want what any other commie wants–special privileges for the party elite that they believe themselves to be a part of, and suppression for anyone who doesn’t fall in line. That these types are usually among the second or third wave of “counter-revolutionaries” to be sent to the gulags or lined up against a wall and shot never occurs to them.

              They’re aren’t called “useful idiots” for no reason.

              1. Ooooooh, new sign for the protests.

                “DEFUND THE POLICE – OPEN SEASON ON ANTIFA – NO BAG LIMIT”

                1. “Looters will be shot, survivors will be shot again”

            2. Perhaps parents should deal with pedos… By actually supervising their children?

              1. Yup, just keep em locked in your basement 24/7/365 and no pedo can get to them. Good idea.

                Kids have to be unsupervised, at least part of the time, to actually develop into adults. You need to make your own mistakes and learn to sort things out with your peers without Mom handling all of your problems for you.

                1. Yeah, there’s a medium where parents can maintain oversight and still provide enough freedom for kids to broaden their boundaries. At some point, if you don’t accept that keeping your kids locked away from the world isn’t the best way to raise a functioning adult, you’re going to end up with a kid that’s severely emotionally and intellectually stunted, and will lash out when that bubble isn’t provided. That’s a big issue with a lot of these Antifa protesters in particular–most of them were raised in very privileged circumstances and never had to learn how to deal with adversity in a healthy way. The fact that they aren’t suffering the consequences of destroying their community isn’t helping one bit, because they continue to think they deserve to act however they want.

      2. The “funny” thing about it to me is “Simona Arteaga, 39: third arrest at violent protest; says she’s a model”. All the others, to a man, is looking dead on at the camera. She’s the only one that isn’t. She’s also the only one who appears to have been previously charged. You could readily interpret that all the others are just LARPing and she’s the only one who’s actually seen some shit.

    4. It’s as if Portland is run and populated by the Manson family.

      1. I never thought before this year, that I would see politicians willingly watch their cities and economies burn, just to possibly hurt some other politician in Washington.

        Yeah, yeah, it’s still not as bad as the unrest in the 60s and 70s, but one giant difference then was that DAs and Mayors weren’t in cahoots with the rioters.

  15. Throughout the Nation’s history, the figures used to determine the apportionment of Congress—in the language of the current statutes, the ‘total population’ and the ‘whole number of persons’ in each State—have included every person residing in the United States at the time of the census…

    Something about taxation without representation. I suppose they could always exempt illegal residents from having to pay any taxes. Wouldn’t that be an interesting can of worms that no legislator ever would offer unless it was in service of buying votes, which isn’t applicable here. OR IS IT?

  16. Some people sat in jail for weeks and months based on evidence that turned out to be fake.

    DOCK HIM A WEEK’S PAY AND GET THIS GO-GETTER BACK ON THE JOB.

    1. And refund the pay after a few years long impartial investigation that wipes the record like a democrat’s phone.

  17. “Throughout the Nation’s history, ”

    Now do me.

    1. No thanks.

      1. Careful, that’s a good way to get sued.

  18. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1303886469258338307

    Kristina Narayan was arrested at the Portland #antifa riot where firebombs were thrown at people. She’s the legislative dir. for the Ore Democrat speaker of the House
    @TinaKotek
    .

  19. Unprecedented wildfires are pummeling Oregon, prompting hundreds of thousands of residents to flee.

    Mostly peaceful nature protests.

    1. Nature doing its part to make up for missing emissions

  20. For those of you who are unaware, “Lift Every Voice and Sing” is the black national anthem. The NFL will be singing it at the beginning of every NFL game in week 1 along with the national anthem.

    Last night, the Kansas City chiefs decided to stand up for both the national anthem and the black national anthem–good for them! But the Houston Texans decided to stay in the locker room for both the national anthem and the black national anthem. They wanted to disrespect the national anthem, but they didn’t want to do that and then rub it in by standing during the black national anthem–so they hid in their locker room.

    The Miami Dolphins have also apparently decided to stay in the locker room both during the national anthem and the black national anthem.

    I don’t know what your hometown team is planning to do during the national anthem and the black national anthem this weekend, but I know what I’ll be doing. If your team is too ashamed of America to come out and stand up during the national anthem, then I’m too ashamed to have them on my TV screen. And if your team is hellbent on disgracing a national anthem that makes everyone who sings it question whether the country is free and whether we’ve brave enough to do whatever it takes to make it free again, then that’s even worse.

    Fuck the NFL.

    1. P.S. The Star-Spangled Banner is like the Second Amendment set to music.

    2. I long await the day when football becomes reviled as cockfighting. Looks like it will be sooner than later.

      1. I’m looking for where I can start watching rugby, which isn’t quite human cockfighting (like MMA) but they do play without helmets–and you gotta respect that. Also, the only thing most people know about rugby is probably a cultural appropriation by progressive standards, and pissing off progressives and social justice warriors always adds to the fun.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiKFYTFJ_kw

          1. Because a journalist somewhere is complaining about a rugby player being insufficiently woke doesn’t mean rugby is as woke as the NFL.

            1. He was actually suspended…. by the rugby federation.

              I can give you examples of their support for trans players on the women’s side as well if you want.

              1. They’re still not as woke as the NFL.

      2. We’re just waiting for the en vivo proof that playing football in Pop Warner and High School lowers average IQs by 10 points or so due to CTE. Proof of some small, but statistically significant amount of permanent intelligence deficit.

        Then it will be as popular as boxing.

    3. At least David Johnson looks like a real running back again.

      1. Did he or didn’t he shit on the flag?

        I have a hard time rooting for somebody after that.

        Michael Vick may have overseen a dog fighting ring that killed pooches for losing too many matches, but at least he didn’t shit on the flag.

        Speaking of rehabilitating people, is anybody else watching season 2 of the The Boys on Amazon Prime Video?

        SPOILER ALERT!

        To make a long story short, when Jubilee joined the the Justice League, Aquaman totally Harvey Weinsteined her. Jubilee eventually exposed him in public for it, and Aquaman became a social pariah. He joined the Church of Scientology in an attempt to back into the Justice League, and watching Aquaman ride that whale onto the beach (and what happened next) in an attempt to rehabilitate himself was the funniest thing I’ve seen on TV since Preacher went off the air. I was rolliln’.

        Anyway, I think they may be actually rehabilitating a sexual oppressor on that show. His attempt to reestablish himself socially was portrayed in a sympathetic way. If they rehabilitate him, it may be scripted as something of a triumph. The new Sup is social media maven, and she’s portrayed as evil as hell. If he fails to rehabilitate himself, it looks like they’ll sell it as a tragedy.

        1. Thinking you have the wrong david johnson, actually a good guy.

        2. 1) a real fan would have been able to do it without mixing dc/marvel

          2) seaaon 2 has been slow to start and frankly, boring

        3. The Boys looks absolutely hilarious.

          Dark, and a lot more likely of an outcome if there actually were superpeople.

          1. The 1st season was pretty hilarious because it was based largely on the very hilarious Dynamite property, the 2nd season is all new and has been dragging.

          2. Anyone who thinks that someone developing superpowers wouldn’t immediately go full Magneto and genocide non-supes is relentlessly naive. It wouldn’t matter if it was Literally Hitler or some loser nerd, the first thing they’d do is use their powers to beat up and torture the people they hated. Hell, even the comics acknowledge this.

            1. Which is underlying to the whole idea of superheroes. That’s always what made Superman so likeable and enduring: he absolutely had the power to torture or to oppress, but instead he chose not to. He only wanted to help. He’s a character of pure generosity in spirit.

              Recent iterations of the character have forgotten that, of course. It was never about how fast he could move or how strong he was or how invulnerable he was that made him awesome: it was about how human he was.

          3. The last episode with the whale literally put Jonah inside the whale.

            He doesn’t want to be a prophet, and he doesn’t want to save Ninevah.

            And when they come to fish him out of the whale, he says, “No, I’m good. I think I’ll just hang out”.

            I thought it was just another Watchmen rip off, but it actually has its own story to tell. I think a lot of people are turned off by it because their expectations are for comic book superheroes or Watchmen. They should be thinking of it like Preacher. It’s fucking hilarious–sans laugh track. Although a lot of people are not smart enough to get the joke, are the butt of the joke, or both.

      2. True.
        Atrocious game plan from Houston though, and Deshaun played like crap

        1. Cook hurt. And shows how dependent he was on Nuk.

          1. I think he’ll eventually be ok without nuk, but he was bad last night. Played like he didn’t want to be there

    4. Please someone switch lift our voices to “down in the river to pray”

    5. https://www.outkick.com/gallup-poll-sports-industry-image-took-big-hit-in-last-year-among-republicans-and-independents/

      Of all professions, Professional Sports is the third worst liked by the public- right above Pharma and Politicians. WOW.

      And this drop has happened in the past 5 months- since April. These stats have been tracked for 20 years, and professional sports has never been this bad. These guys do not understand WTF they are doing to their future. And they will perpetually blame COVID and Trump for it, rather than their own foot-shooting temper tantrums.

      1. “And this drop has happened in the past 5 months- since April. These stats have been tracked for 20 years, and professional sports has never been this bad. These guys do not understand WTF they are doing to their future.”

        Why would I watch a bunch of urban millionaires do something with a ball, when they mostly hate my guts, and when they have nothing in common with me at all?

        So much free time on weekends now. Or during the week.

        1. Basically this.

          I understand this is complicated. I think about being a young black man who has come into a town where he is idolized and celebrated, only to be treated like shit by a local cop one day and being powerless to do anything about it- or finding out that his son or brother had even less recourse when it happened to them. That is truly shitty.

          At the same time, punishing me, the person celebrating you, is not going to help. I- and millions of fans- was giving you the tools necessary to affect change. You make millions that could be donated to social change organizations. You could be speaking out in a respectful way about race and the like while still doing the things that make you celebrated. Instead, you take away the thing that made you celebrated as if it was a “Gift” that you can withhold. Well, that isn’t the way it works. We actually were involved in a trade, and if you want to take away the stuff for which you were celebrated (and paid) then don’t expect to be celebrated any more. *shrug*.

          1. It’s not like DeShaun, JJ, and Patrick are going out there thinking “f*** the fans, we’re more important than them…” but that’s the message they’re sending.

            Not divisive: playing football at football game.
            Divisive: preaching at football game.

            1. Not divisive: playing football at football game.
              Divisive: preaching at football game.

              That was a big reason Tebow’s demonstrative praying on the field was so grating. I don’t doubt his faith is sincere, but you don’t glorify God by allowing your act of devotion to be turned into a meme by the media.

        2. I don’t think these organizations or the players realize how much of a disconnect exists between the guys on the field and the people in the stands/watching on TV.

          As late as the 1970s, a lot of NFL players, black and white, had to work offseason jobs to make ends meet. They and the fans were both legitimate working-class people, who often rubbed elbows in the same bars and greasy spoon diners off the field. Hell, even Vince Lombardi sold insurance in the offseason.

          Now, thanks to TV money and free agency, games are expensive enough that usually only upper middle class and wealthy people can afford season tickets, but blue-collar and regular middle class people would still try and go to 1 or 2 games a year, maybe more for sports like baseball. The latter would still make time to watch the games on TV at home or at the sports bar, and buy the merchandise and jerseys because that was “their team,” regardless of who played for them. They supported ludicrous tax breaks for these organizations because sports fandom was the last vestige of community bonding left in the 20th century as people became increasingly socially isolated.

          That shit is going to be coming to an end. The next organization that tries to blackmail a city into giving it a sweetheart deal on a lease or they walk, is a lot more likely now to be told, “Well, bye,” without any regrets other than from the local journalists covering the jock beat, who are now seeing their job security flash before their eyes.

          1. The NFL actually has some competition now too.
            Not just college, but the XFL is going to start up again after being bought by The Rock (aka the most charismatic human being alive today).
            If the XFL just does what it was doing last spring, and stays away from woke bs, they’re going to become a real alternative.
            The NFL will eventually win, but it will be costly.

            The NFL is making the same mistake, as you allude to above, that elites often do: they think the opinions of their peers, including players and corporate sponsors, are common. And they don’t realize that commoners don’t think they should be disrespected.
            And disrespect to the fans is exactly what the woke bs is.
            But even in the face of boos, they’ll say the fans are wrong – never considering that those fans have a legitimate perspective and they’re not wrong for getting a different message than the “unity” insisted upon.

            1. Because the “unity” being pushed is unity via submission.
              Maybe Average Joe doesn’t think America is inherently racist and evil.
              And Average Joe isn’t buying the idea that the millionaires preaching to him while he just wants to enjoy football are as oppressed as they claim to be.

          2. The next organization that tries to blackmail a city into giving it a sweetheart deal on a lease or they walk, is a lot more likely now to be told, “Well, bye[.]”

            “Door’s to your left. Go fuck yourself right on through it.”

            Well, a man can dream, anyway.

            1. I’ll always have nice memories of my local sports teams. But I said when this whole kneeling thing kicked off that, if any of them decided to up and move, I wouldn’t be sorry to see them go because the community would be no poorer for their absence. Demolish the stadiums and arenas and put up some condos or townhomes in their place. That’s needed a hell of a lot more than a sports cathedral.

            2. The Chargers don’t really have a hometown anymore.

      2. Back when the whole kneeling controversy first kicked off, Stephen A. Smith showed a great deal of future time orientation about the implications of antagonizing white working- and middle-class fans. I can’t recall who he was talking to about it–it might have been Booger McFarland or some other black commentator, who was arguing that the financial connection to the viewing audience wasn’t relevant because the message was so important. Smith came back with the point that, you could tell your audience to eat shit all you want, but if they decide, “Okay, fuck you then, I’m not watching this or spending money anymore,” then what? Your platform is essentially destroyed because people aren’t buying what you’re selling, and now you’re not making any money, either.

        1. There’s been quite a bit of “fuck the fans if they don’t like it” going on and it’s amazing to me. The fans booed the “moment of unity” last night and I’ve already seen plenty of “HOW DARE THEY!!!” coverage of it.

          The fans are the only reason the NFL exists. The fans’ willingness to buy tickets, beer and nachos is why Patrick Mahomes can make $500m. $500m he can spend creating a great deal of positive change if he so desires.

          Those fans can certainly find other ways to spend that money and time if you give them enough reasons to. These players can be woke AF and making professional lacrosse money if that’s the route they want to go.

    6. Definitely done with the NFL this year.

      1. Unless there is a public apology for all this BS, I’m done with the NFL permanently. NBA also. I’ve not watched a single MLB game this year either. I don’t watch sports to get preached at by idiot players; regardless of their message.

    7. The NFL should fill those empty seats with all the disadvantaged yutes from the cities.
      The action in the stands may get some viewers back.

    8. Sowwy the blacks are disrespecting your favorite song. Toughen up snowflake. The NFL will be better without dumb fans like you.

  21. A new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study suggests restaurant diners are more likely than those not dining out right now to catch COVID-19.

    Thank goodness those raised-fisted Samaritans are dispersing the superspreader diners from their tables of death.

    1. Why didn’t they think to close restaurants?

      1. Yes. People should eat communal potatoes cooked in their own huts, as Marx intended.

        1. But you have to stand in long lines to buy a potato.

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  23. Whites kill themselves at twice the rate of blacks and hispanics (only Native Americans have worse rates), and men kill themselves at multiple times the rates of women in all age groups.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2019-06-20/suicide-by-race-age-in-the-us

    1. https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/contributors/2019/04/12/suicide-rates-prevention-white-men/3436883002/

      Why do white males, with all the advantages we are afforded in American society, account for 70 percent of suicides and kill ourselves at nearly twice the national rate?

      1. White guilt.

      2. “white males… account for 70 percent”
        Suicide privilege. Meanwhile society makes women and minorities feel like they don’t have enough agency to determine their own deaths.

      3. But that’s only part of the story. Women naturally live longer than men–so unfair. Where’s the justice!

      4. Because it’s really stressful being responsible for keeping the engine of the world running.

    2. Men commit suicide at a higher rate, while wemon attempt suicide at a higher rate. For all of the bitching about pay disparity this shows the simple fact that men know how to actually get their shit done

      1. I LOL so hard I spit on my keyboard…

    3. It’s because they feel so guilty about colonization and appropriation.

  24. “I know that’s going to blow a lot of people’s minds but liberalism to me is now the new KKK hood,” Whitlock said. “Bigots use to hide under hoods, now they hide under the label of being a liberal end of progressive and that allows you to be as bigoted as you want to be. If you want to call yourself an antifascist and support of Black Lives Matter as a white person, that means you can go out into the streets, tear down neighborhoods, harass people, say all kinds of disrespectful stuff to white and black people, and it’s all good because allegedly, you’re fighting racism. Allegedly, you’re on the side of black people.”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/09/09/jason_whitlock_white_liberals_are_the_actual_bigots_liberalism_is_the_new_kkk_hood.html

    Yeap.

    1. I’ve seen more black people get called “nigger” and “coon” by white progressives in the last three months than I have by white nationalists in the last 25 years.

      Clayton Bigsby was less racist than your average Antifa/BLM tankie.

      1. I’ve seen more segregation last 5 years then in the previous 50.

  25. Reason site is very good site and..READ MORE

    1. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

      1. That was some Buttplug-level BS.

        1. Maybe ENB’s replacement?

  26. the court noted that President Donald Trump’s July 21 order runs contrary to America’s historical method of tallying an area’s population

    So not based on a law or the Constitution… hmm. .

    1. “So not based on a law or the Constitution… hmm. .”

      What’s THAT got to do with it?

    1. Great. Fairfax. What a hive.

  27. https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1304312311297921024

    Law enforcement officers, remember this when some liberal tells you to start hassling normal people. Don’t screw your friends to please the people who hate you.
    Quote Tweet

    Dave Bondy
    @DaveBondyTV
    · 9h
    .@realDonaldTrump supporters showing support to law enforcement following Michigan Trump rally.

    1. I will never understand conservatives who praise the implements of the state they claim is so depraved.

      1. You don’t understand the phrase, “hate the game, not the player”?

        I have taught my kids from a very young age to show respect especially to people in uniform. And at around 12, I also show them videos about how to deal with cops in a way that protects your rights. The two are not mutually exclusive.

        Granted, I do agree that some of the GOP Law and Order approaches fettish levels.

      2. Not a conservative here.

        Always taught my kids to be VERY respectful to all cops, answer yes sir, no sire, tell them NOTHING….. for self preservation purposes.

        I taught them they are never in a situation where they are more likely to get shot than when they are interacting with cops. So play accordingly.

        1. I don’t have kids, but this echoes something I’ve been saying lately. I’m really white, (well, these days, now that the Irish count) and the thing that’s struck me about most of the police shootings that people are rioting over, got shot in situations where they were behaving in a manner that I would expect to get shot for, as well.

          Half a dozen cops, guns out, ordering you to stop, and you just keep walking away? I’m not saying it’s right, but I’d totally expect to get capped.

  28. https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1303886968443543552

    Alternate reading on the Woodward book: a Defense Secretary (Mattis) and Director of National Intelligence (Coats) plotting to take “collective action” against the sitting president — based on their aversion to his policy preferences — is extremely arrogant and creepy

    1. Mattis kind of gave the game away when he resigned in a fit because Trump wanted to pull troops out of Syria.

      Keep in mind this “warrior monk” was one of the galaxy-brains, along with a lot of other elite balloonheads, that got fooled by Elizabeth Holmes in the Theranos scam.

  29. Mattis Told Then-DNI Coats They May Be Forced to Take ‘Collective Action’ against ‘Unfit’ Trump, According to New Woodward Book
    https://news.yahoo.com/mattis-told-then-dni-coats-201720573.html

    In excerpts of the book,”Rage,” published in the Washington Post Woodward, who is famed for his investigative reporting work around the Watergate scandal, writes that Mattis went to Washington National Cathedral in May 2019 to pray about his concern for the country under Trump’s leadership. Soon after praying for the country, he told Coats, “There may come a time when we have to take collective action” because Trump is “dangerous. He’s unfit.”

    In another conversation with Coats, who left the administration last year, Mattis said the president “has no moral compass,” and Coats responded, “True. To him, a lie is not a lie. It’s just what he thinks. He doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie,” according to Woodward.

    1. “Mattis went to Washington National Cathedral in May 2019 to pray”
      People who actually believe in prayer go to any old quiet spot and get on their knees and pray.
      People who are showboating for a narrative go to a National Cathedral.

      To him, a lie is not a lie. It’s just what he thinks. He doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie
      Which tells me that Coats and Mattis were in reality pissed about opinions, not actual truth. Trump dismissed their “expertise” which infuriated them.

  30. “PUMP THE BRAKES”

    I hate this.

    You pump the brakes when you’re bleeding them to build pressure. If you want to stop or slow down, you don’t pump them, you apply them.

    1. Come on, be fair. English majors who write media shit know nothing about mechanical devices. Half of them don’t own cars.

      1. especially the science editors.

        1. Burn!

      2. The funny thing is they are continually showing they know less and less about language, and history, and politics, and economics, and the world, and… Hmmm shorter list
        The show that thay know they can berate people for not being woke and ruin their lives

        1. Except in this case, it is actually the correct usage of the term- if you are older than a millennial, I guess.

    2. It’s late 80s early 90s slang. My take is that it means more “be cautious” than “stop”.
      If you wanted to be technical about it, it should be “cover your brake”.

      1. I’m not sure exactly what the initial thought process was for the figurative use of this phrase (obviously it’s unlikely much formal thought was actually put into it), but yes, I believe it generally is used to mean “slow down, start thinking about shit and pay attention.” One meaning could derive from the use of a tap on the brakes to turn off cruise control and possibly start a gradual deceleration. That is what I generally think of when the phrase is used I guess- when I realize I need to start slowing down and/or taking more direct control (potentially bad road conditions coming up, cop, traffic ahead, speed limit change, etc.), I “pump” the brakes once to kill the cruise and, if hit sufficiently hard, give a little immediate braking effect in addition to coasting. “Tap” the brakes would probably be and equally effective, and perhaps more accurate, term to use when most people say “pump.”

        Another use of the term I remember, though I’m not sure if it makes sense here, is from before ABS when you would “pump” the brakes when trying to stop quickly in slippery conditions. Basically trying to manually do what ABS does- slow down as rapidly as possibly without simply locking up the wheels and making them slide by rapidly applying more and less pressure to the brakes. When I was younger and ABS was relatively new, I remember older people having a hard time getting out of that habit when they hit the brakes in the snow since they had always been taught to pump like a MFer. ABS works best when you just apply constant pressure and let it do the work, and that was hard to get used to.

    3. In the Long Ago time, there were cars without anti-lock brakes. Jamming those brakes—which were often drums, to boot—often resulted in locking up the wheels, and a slide into whatever you were trying to avoid by braking in the first place. Accordingly, people pumped their brakes, which allowed them to decelerate, yet still maintain control.

      It’s about as old and irrelevant a metaphor as ‘dropping a dime on someone.’

      1. Or a little icon of a floppy disk for saving a file. Or a record scratch sound effect in a movie to indicate an unpleasant surprise.

    4. It’s an anachronism from before the widespread availability of anti-lock brakes. With older cars, you need to pump the brakes while stopping or they will lock up.

  31. https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1304136648658214914
    Fun fact: if you, today, started your senate career and stayed as long as Joe Biden was in the Senate… it would be 2056 before you decided to become Vice President.

    1. He’s old. Trump is only about 3 1/2 years younger.

      1. the point being he’s a lifelong political creature and if you want anything good to happen from him being elected you are probably deceived.

  32. “A veteran Raleigh police detective is off the job while the department and the Wake County District Attorney investigate more than a dozen fraudulent drug cases,” reports a local ABC affiliate. “Some people sat in jail for weeks and months based on evidence that turned out to be fake.”

    Omar Abdullah. Probably another of those Right-wing, White-Supremacist cops.

  33. https://twitter.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1304101704812568577

    For those claiming that the filmmakers did “nothing illegal,” the law & case law is crystal clear here. The filmmakers & Netflix have violated Title 18, section 2256. The Fifth Circuit created the “Dost test,” a 6-factor test to determine if images are child porn. Here they are:…

  34. “Throughout the Nation’s history, the figures used to determine the apportionment of Congress—in the language of the current statutes, the ‘total population’ and the ‘whole number of persons’ in each State—have included every person residing in the United States at the time of the census, whether citizen or non-citizen and whether living here with legal status or without,” states the decision, penned by a three-judge panel from the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.”

    Because the country did something in the past, doesn’t mean we should keep doing it in the future. As America becomes increasingly socialist, expect the U.S. to follow other socialist countries and become increasingly intolerant of immigration.

    As people are increasingly forced to pay for each other, they become increasingly picky about those who benefit from their “generosity”. As an American citizen, go sign up for free heart surgery in Canada or the UK, and not only will be denied service. You’ll probably be escorted to the nearest international airport.

    We counted people in the census regardless of whether they were citizens in the past when we were apportioning the number of representatives to the House and the Electoral College. Now that they’re increasingly using this as a means to redistribute wealth, that will and should change. The left will be leading the charge on this.

    P.S. Why didn’t he cite the Three-Fifths Compromise directly? Isn’t that what we’re talking about–how to count slaves (and Native Americans) in the census? How do you write about this case and not mention the Three-Fifths Compromise?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise

    1. “Judges Uphold the Logic of the Three-Fifths Compromise” wouldn’t be an entirely accurate headline, but it wouldn’t be entirely inaccurate either.

      1. “Five Fifths Compromise”

    2. P.S. Why didn’t he cite the Three-Fifths Compromise directly? Isn’t that what we’re talking about–how to count slaves (and Native Americans) in the census? How do you write about this case and not mention the Three-Fifths Compromise?

      I see we both posted similar complaints at the same time. But given that I type with one finger and often take breaks in the middle of my thinking about what I’m typing, I’m going to claim I thought of it first.

      1. Great minds think alike!

    3. But is it appropriate to use an executive order to change the way the census is counted?

      1. I supposed it depends on what the law says.

        Did the judges cite a law that was being violated?

        Aren’t we talking about them citing what was done in the past?

        1. I don’t know. I’m certainly not an expert in this area, and just heard about it this morning.

      2. Unless it is countermanding the constitution or an actual statute, then *yes* it is appropriate. How else does the executive order the government to change a long standing policy?

        But in this specific case, the 3/5s compromise just is immaterial. The Constitution Article 1 Section 2 specifically says that the apportionment of representatives shall include all “the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other
        Persons.”

        It says nothing about citizens. And it isn’t like the framers were forgetting to talk about citizens- in the preceding sentences, they say that Representatives must be citizens for 7 years, but that they are there to represent ALL the people, via the calculation given above.

        If Trump wants to exclude illegals, he needs to change the Constitution.

        1. “free Persons”

          Which trespassers, aka illegal aliens, arguably aren’t

          1. How is a person “free” if their presence is unlawful and they are subject to imprisonment or deportation at any time?

        2. It says nothing about citizenship, true, and I don’t think anyone’s asking that the enumeration be limited to citizens. But they don’t count persons who are only transiently at a location either, i.e. just passing thru on business, tour, visiting, etc. The Constitution doesn’t say not to count people in their hotel rooms, does it? Yet they’ve always drawn the line between resident and non-resident. Why not draw the line at legal residents instead of residents generally?

    4. This.

      Anybody without an ax to grind can infer from the US Constitution the purpose of the census, and that that purpose is not served by counting as part of its “population” those who aren’t legally entitled to be in the country. They don’t count non-residents as “population”, so why would they, in a legal process, count illegal residents? The only reason this ostensible oversight occurs in the wording of the Constitution is that at the time it was written there were practically no rules about who was entitled to reside in the country, and its drafters didn’t anticipate attempts to pack states with persons who would be legally excluded from residency. They anticipated the Indian question and the slave question, but they didn’t anticipate this one.

  35. “Throughout the Nation’s history, the figures used to determine the apportionment of Congress—in the language of the current statutes, the ‘total population’ and the ‘whole number of persons’ in each State—have included every person residing in the United States at the time of the census, whether citizen or non-citizen and whether living here with legal status or without,”

    Well, I suppose that might be technically true if you accept that for the first few censuses Indians weren’t considered human beings. Otherwise, you might have to conclude that this is a false statement and the census has not in fact always counted “every person”.

    1. Was is that they weren’t human beings, or was it that Indians were viewed as being properly under another’s sovereignty? AIUI, foreign diplomats and their families weren’t included in the Census either.

      That property was allowed to be used for apportionment was really bad—why couldn’t a free state farmer count their working livestock under that logic?—but understandable, given the slave states were going to be little bitches about it, and not join the Union, if slaves weren’t allowed to count.

      Maybe those states should’ve been allowed to stay out?

      1. No, the Constitution names three groups.
        1) all free Persons
        2) Excepting the Indians *who are not taxed*
        3) other persons (aka slaves).

        It renders down to a formula. Apportioned population = (freePeople – IndiansNotTaxed) + (3/5*Slaves).

        It’s all very simply laid out. Diplomats and other foreign *residents* still fall within group 1 (assuming they are not slaves/indians)

        1. 1 exception to this: Washington DC. Because it is not one of the States, it does not get Representation, so anyone- including diplomats- living there don’t get counted.

          1. Diplomats also aren’t counted. Why? Because they are properly viewed as being under another’s sovereignty. So are illegal aliens.

            To give States a bonus from counting illegal aliens—who totally, pinky swear, won’t vote Democrat—induces those States to break Federal Law by letting those aliens stay long enough to be counted.

  36. https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1304409841436364806
    well, there is one other reason:

    imagine you are a testing company like quest or labcorp.

    you see a bonanza here in the COV testing business.

    what’s the revenue maximizing choice: 40 cycle tests that pick up FAR too many cases, or 30 cycles that have 90% fewer…?
    Quote Tweet

    Ethical Skeptic ☀
    @EthicalSkeptic
    · 11h
    There is only 1 reason to use a cycle threshold greater than 30… and that is if you are attempting to pad numbers to incite panic and despair in your target population, or punish/jackboot them into compliance to royalty.

    … such activity, is a human rights crime.

    if you doubt this, consider:

    the US is doing 600-800k tests A DAY.

    that’s prob pushing $20-25 billion a month in testing revs.

    if you think that’s a market being taken lightly amidst this feeding frenzy of crony capitalism, then i have a lovely portfolio of bridges to sell you

    1. the US is doing 600-800k tests A DAY.

      that’s prob pushing $20-25 billion a month in testing revs.

      You might be off by several orders of magnitude on your cost estimating.

    2. Given that every positive test can, because of contact tracing, theoretically result in some number of additional tests for people who wouldn’t otherwise be tested (since they are not even a little bit sick), the perverse incentive for the testing labs to find as many positive cases as possible couldn’t be more clear.

      1. You guys all nailed it. The whole thing is a scam. We’re picking up people who will never get sick and never spread the virus.

        Even then, the numbers are dropping.

  37. https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1304205485768404992

    The same people who think complimenting a woman is sexual assault are now insisting that there’s nothing at all inappropriate about filming close up crotch shots of 11 year old girls twerking

    1. https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1304094033388736519

      I’m shocked that a film normalizing pedophilia could exist in a society where children are brought to the library to be read stories by drag queens

      1. Great. Now jeff is going to defend no background checks on pedophiles in costumes having kids jump on them at libraries again.

      2. It’s all part of a society that treats sex as good-bad, as Alan Watts quoting someone else said.

        On one hand, parents treat their teenagers, especially their boys, as aberrant, backward, or timid if they don’t date and show sexual interest. They shame masturbation because apparently the urge is supposed to be directed outward, not inward. They seem to expect the kids to get right up to the brink of sexual intercourse without going over it. And they keep laws on the books that are only sporadically and capriciously enforced regarding certain kinds of sexuality-related activity such as exchange of lewd photos.

        It’s all part of the conundrum of adolescence that’s been imposed by modern society, basically because such institutions as apprenticeship and arranged marriage have been closed off to them, and that, as one blogger notes, is often spuriously blamed on the developmental biology of the teens themselves.

    2. That’s because for those people, 18 is too old.

    3. But does the movie pass the Academy’s new diversity guidelines?

    4. Did the Obamas brainstorm this series?

      1. +$65k pizza party flown to the White House in the middle of the night…

  38. “US consumer watchdog accuses Amazon of selling sanitizers, essentials at inflated prices”
    […]
    “”Increased demand and lack of supply are literally why there are price-gouging laws,” Harman said…”
    https://gulfnews.com/business/retail/us-consumer-watchdog-accuses-amazon-of-selling-sanitizers-essentials-at-inflated-prices-1.1599732991566

    That’s what he said.

    1. Also webcams

    2. I’d like to ask these people how they think the “normal” price for things is decided and why the price should be the same forever and under all circumstances.

      1. Well, the prices had better NOT be the same: That would be evidence of collusion!
        And if the pricing is too low, why, that’s undercutting to put your competitor out of business.
        We just need Harman to determine the ‘correct’ price for everything that’s being sold.

    1. This is “dog bites man,” as it’s been going on for about 30 years or more.

      Hell, I had an 8th-grade history teacher back who openly shilled for the Democrats. He wasn’t quite sure how to take it when the Berlin Wall came down and the Warsaw Pact fell to pieces in the span of about two months.

      One interesting thing–he was Jewish, so he was a bit nervous about the prospect of a reunited Germany and what that might entail. Ironically, the EU has essentially become an echo of the Holy Roman Empire, with Germany acting as the de facto head of the organization.

    2. We had a mock election in high school to vote for Ford or Carter.

      The teachers suggested voting for Carter. It was pretty blatant.

      1. Being a kid in the 80s, if you weren’t raised by shitlib parents, was pretty hilarious during presidential election years. Most of the teachers were pretty mopey during those weeks after they came to grips with the fact that the Democrat was about to get his ass kicked.

        1. The Dukakis defeat in particular caused a bit of moping among my CA high school faculty.

          “It’s not fairrrrr!”

          1. Yeah, a lot of them parroted the SNL debate skit from that year–“How the hell did we lose to this guy?”

            Sure, how the hell did you lose to a candidate who had been VP to a popular President, in a good economy, was the former head of the CIA, and had political support from top to bottom in his party? It’s a real fucking mystery.

            1. And yet he loses four years later to the Hillbilly Harvey Weinstein of Arkansas.

              1. A lot of that had to do with Perot running, though, along with the recession. I know there were rumors of some shady shit going on that caused Perot to initially drop out, then come back in the race. Bubba got a lot of play for being the first Boomer candidate for President as well, so there was this “new generation” storyline that could be pushed.

                Bush I was going to have a tough row to hoe, anyway, because he wasn’t adored by the party faithful and a lot of independents like Reagan was, and it would have been VERY difficult in any circumstance for the party to win a fourth presidential election in a row.

                1. Bush I was going to have a tough row to hoe, anyway, because he wasn’t adored by the party faithful and a lot of independents like Reagan was, and it would have been VERY difficult in any circumstance for the party to win a fourth presidential election in a row.

                  Putting on a spiked glove and then fist fucking gun owners didn’t do him any favors electorally, either.

              2. Barely 18 months after being President during the greatest military asskicking in American history, with the 95 percent approval ratings that went along with it.

      2. Reagan won at my elementary school.

  39. “‘Undocumented immigrants are people—and nothing President Trump does or says changes that fact.”‘

    Nitpicking, but, undocumented folks are not, necessarily, “people.” But they most certainly are “persons:”

    “‘…people” refers to a class of persons who are part of a national community or who have otherwise developed sufficient connection with this country to be considered part of that community.”’ Pp. 264-266. (UNITED STATES v. VERDUGO-URQUIDEZ)

    1. It could still be argued that an illegal immigrant has… “developed a sufficient connection with this country to be considered part of that community”

      I’m not super-comfortable with letting California balloon its national political presence based on a high number of undocumented (aka, illegal) immigrants) but I’m also a bit of a stickler for the constitution, so if it says “count everyone” then we gotta count everyone.

      1. ‘”It could still be argued that an illegal immigrant has… “developed a sufficient connection with this country to be considered part of that community”’

        Consider, also, the business owner, say from France, who visits the US on a regular basis, and has friends, or even extended family, here, or even the illegal immigrant who has been housed in prison here for ten years (IIRC, the court mentioned the former possibility in dicta).

  40. Is there going to be any mention of Biden penalizing companies for moving jobs overseas?

    1. Awesome pictures.

    2. Thing is, I think dems ACTUALLY BELIEVE that Joe sixpack will look at those pictures and feel good about how very responsible Biden’s campaign is being and angry about how tragically reckless Trump is. They are betting everything on people being terrified of covid.

  41. We hear so much about how wildfires are an effect of global warming, but, for whatever reason, they rarely emphasize the impact of wildfires on global warming itself. Here’s an exception:

    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2597/smoke-from-wildfires-can-have-lasting-climate-impact/

    To whatever extent California’s efforts to limit the release of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere have been successful, we need to subtract how much has been released in the atmosphere due to wildfires that could have been avoided if it weren’t for environmental regulations that, for instance, made it practically impossible for power companies to maintain their lines in such a way that winds wouldn’t blow branches into their lines and spark fires.

    If Sacramento really cared about greenhouse gas emissions, they’d ignore the tree huggers–at least well enough to let power companies maintain their power lines in a responsible manner.

    1. Had to post this twice to get it as a reply you… sigh
      “If Sacramento really cared about greenhouse gas emissions, they’d ignore the tree huggers–at least well enough to let power companies maintain their power lines in a responsible manner.”

      Unfortunately, a lot of those trees, which should be removed, are on private land. Unless PG@E gets written permission from the land owners, they have no choice but to “trim” them. I spent ten grand removing trees on my property. Not that it did any good….

      1. Aren’t the lines on an easement that allows tree-trimming and removal, whether or not the property owner wants it? They are in Texas, and it is a great way, so I’ve read, of getting rid of problem or diseased trees. Just tell the electrical co-op that the tree is interfering with their lines, and they’ll move quickly to take it out.

        A lot of CA’s problems stem from overall forestry mismanagement, and not from PG&E’s shortsightedness. Not that PG&E is an especially well run utility.

        1. The lines are on easements that allow the trimming but PG$E has been sued by everyone to not trim

        2. From my experience, even ASKING PG@E to remove a tree, is no guarantee at all that it will be done. Getting them to trim one can also be a bit of a challenge. It took me two years of complaints from myself and my tenant to get a tree trimmed. Funny though, two weeks after the Carr Fire, they were, all of a sudden, all over it.

          It was also sort of – well, ironic — to see them removing trees in the Paradise area. Lots of crews removing trees. That was two weeks AFTER the Camp Fire.

        3. Aren’t the lines on an easement that allows tree-trimming and removal, whether or not the property owner wants it?

          Poor Gray_Jay. The poor guy probably thinks that toll roads pay for highway maintenance too.

          1. It’s how things work here. Bluebonnet, et al, are monomaniacal about getting rid of obstructions in their right of way.

            I’ve no idea where toll road revenues go. I’m sure they must still be needed to pay off road construction, as we were told during construction of the Belt that the tolls would cease once that happened…

            (Yay, I kept a straight face typing that.)

    2. California power companies are essentially government-run monopolies.

      They literally have their prices set (or approved) by Sacramento. Same for capacity, method of power generation, everything. They make almost no decisions in the operation of their business.

      1. And they’re effectively run by Sacramento at the behest of tree huggers among others.

        “Faced with the worst summer fire season in 10 years, Gov. Jerry Brown is proposing broad new changes to California’s logging rules that would allow landowners to cut larger trees and build temporary roads without obtaining a permit as a way to thin more forests across the state.

        The proposal — which has the support of the timber industry but is being opposed by more than a dozen environmental groups — would represent one of the most significant changes to the state’s timber harvesting rules in the past 45 years.”

        —-San Jose Mercury News, August 23, 2018

        https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/08/23/california-fires-governor-proposes-easing-logging-rules-to-thin-forests/

  42. CDC is telling people that cloth masks don’t filter out smoke particulates but is also telling people cloth masks protect against virus particles might be peak 2020.

  43. “If Sacramento really cared about greenhouse gas emissions, they’d ignore the tree huggers–at least well enough to let power companies maintain their power lines in a responsible manner.”

    Unfortunately, a lot of those trees, which should be removed, are on private land. Unless PG@E gets written permission from the land owners, they have no choice but to “trim” them. I spent ten grand removing trees on my property. Not that it did any good….

    1. This is more of a surprise than the UAE was. The Emiratis loathe the Iranians and the Muslim Brotherhood, and normalizing relations with Israel was the best way to stick a thumb in their collective eye.

      Bahrain, on the other hand, didn’t display that same level of animosity, and their Shiite population is going to be mighty pissed about this. Something must have been agreed to between the Saudi and Bahrani royal families to bring this about.

      1. Qatar’ll be the one that really surprises me. Are KSA and the Emirates still trying to blockade Qatar?

        1. Yeah, it’s been going on for three years. The Qatari royal family appears to be seeing the writing on the wall, because I just saw reports that there could be a resolution to that pretty soon.

          They might be realizing that they can’t play both sides against the middle anymore and have to make a choice between Iran/MB or the GCC. Considering they share a very delicate jurisdiction with Iran over the Pars gas field, which is basically where all their money comes from, that should make discussions over its future use VERY interesting.

      2. “…and [Bahrain’s] Shiite population is going to be mighty pissed about this. Something must have been agreed to between the Saudi and Bahrani royal families to bring this about.”

        The Bahrainis and Sauds will massacre the Shia again if they get out of line. Nothing happened of note when tanks ran over the last Bahraini protest. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahraini_uprising_of_2011

    2. Trump truly is the worst diplomat ever.

    3. This is shaping up to be the most boring world war ever.

  44. CDC is barely credible.

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  46. Just a little reminder that Team Blue vs. Team Red is all a game, and the folks in D.C. don’t take it as seriously as their loyalists do:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/11/joe-biden-and-pence-meet-at-9/11-memorial-practice-coronavirus-safety.html

    “Vice President Mike Pence and former Vice President Joe Biden greeted each other with an elbow bump at the 9/11 memorial service in New York City.“

    1. the only mention of 9/11 today on Reason

      1. That’s because Reason are a bunch of Islamists masquerading as libertarians,
        amiright.

  47. >>People dining out likely look different in myriad of ways from non-diners.

    plates and forks dead giveaway.

    1. plates and forks dead giveaway.

      The one true way to eat pizza does sound good right about now.

      1. in the 80s my little NJ town had competing pizza joints – Branco’s & Riviera – there was no winner on who was better … it was a nice place to learn east coast pizza

        Dallas pizza is hit & miss. there are legit Sicilians here too and still …

        1. ‘Two guys from Italy’ wasn’t bad, a gazillion years ago when I tried it. There’s always the Grimaldi’s chain. Pretty sure there’s a branch on Restaurant Row in Addison.

          1. Grimaldi’s works. I miss Jersey slices though.

  48. Jimmy’s Food Store in Dallas used to have great Italian food, though I don’t know if they sold pizza. Everything else was fantastic.

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  50. If the Southern District’s interpretation is correct, then that means the Constitution permits open treason by enabling state legislatures to import as many people as they wish and steal representation to increase their influence and subvert the United States.

    Something about their reasoning completely lacks context. You can’t just contradict federal immigration law to give yourself more political power. There’s no way the Constitution truly permits such actions. The Founders would be screaming bloody murder and threatening to go to war against California. Somewhere along the line, laws are being broken or loopholes are being exploited.

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  52. By the judges logic, abortion and gay marriage should be a States Rights issue.

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