Labor Unions

This Labor Day, Police and Teachers Unions Are Making a Bad Year Worse

Americans are being forced to confront the downsides of powerful organized labor in an already miserable year.

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Labor Day is a celebration of the labor movement and its representation of the interests of workers in American society. Unions have historically been a force for good as workers fought for better conditions. But 2020 has brought us a reality check about just how toxic organized labor—in the form of police and teachers unions—can be. These organizations aren't solely responsible for the ongoing disaster that is this year, but they've done their best to make it worse.

On September 4, the Sergeants Benevolent Association, which represents sergeants in the New York City Police Department, tweeted: "He we go America this is what a first class whore looks like RITCHIE TORRES. Passes laws to defund police, supports criminals,  & now because he's running for office he blames the police to protect what he voted for. Remember Little Ritchie? Meet LYING RITCHIE @RitchieTorres"

Later deleted, the semi-coherent and typo-ridden slam targeted New York City councilman and congressional candidate Ritchie Torres for his allegation that city cops were engaged in a "slowdown" to protest police reform efforts like the ones he supports. The tweet's take-no-prisoners tone is an only slightly exaggerated variation on the usual police union responses to proposals for law enforcement limits and accountability.

New York City's Police Benevolent Association, which represents rank-and-file officers, opposes standardized penalties for police misconduct. In July, it joined in a lawsuit with unions representing firefighters and corrections officers to block the release to the public of records of police officers who have been disciplined.

The union representing New Jersey state troopers similarly sued to keep disciplinary records secret. San Francisco's police union filed a lawsuit challenging the city's right to revise its use-of-force policy. California police unions joined together to defeat a bill that would have barred officers guilty of serious misconduct from further police work.

None of this is unusual. "Over the past five years, as demands for reform have mounted in the aftermath of police violence in cities like Ferguson, Mo., Baltimore and now Minneapolis, police unions have emerged as one of the most significant roadblocks to change," The New York Times noted in June. "The greater the political pressure for reform, the more defiant the unions often are in resisting it."

What is remarkable is that the examples above all came after a Minneapolis police officer killed George Floyd and sparked protests calling for changes in the way police go about their business, especially in minority communities. In context, the unions' response looks like even more of a raised middle finger to an angry public.

In the following months, many of those protests have turned violent. Maybe the riots would have happened anyway; you can't cripple an economy and sideline much of the population with lockdown orders without provoking consequences. But police unions played a big role in bringing us to this point by resisting every effort to make law enforcement less confrontational and intrusive. And their continuing resistance to reform pours fuel on the fires burning in many American cities.

Teachers unions, too, bear responsibility for worsening the catastrophe known as 2020. It's a union's job to protect the health and safety of its members. But teachers unions consistently went far beyond that mandate, choosing to play politics and push an unrelated anti–school choice agenda rather than focusing on reasonable accommodations in the middle of a national crisis.

As New York City officials struggled at the end of August to get schools reopened with precautions in place to prevent the spread of COVID-19, the United Federation of Teachers engaged in brinksmanship, leaving parents uncertain as to when, or whether, their kids would be able to resume educations cut short in the spring. The next day, city officials caved and school reopening was pushed back 11 days, subject to union conditions.

Teachers at Arizona's J.O. Combs Unified Community District conducted an organized sick-out, leaving families scrambling at the last minute.

United Teachers Los Angeles (UTLA) demanded wealth taxes, police reform, and a moratorium on charter schools as necessary preconditions for reopening public schools. The union settled for concessions that were more job-related.

"Teachers won newfound respect at the start of the pandemic as parents learned just how difficult it was to teach their kids at home," Politico noted of the flurry of union arm-twisting across the country. "But teachers unions now risk squandering the outpouring of goodwill by threatening strikes, suing state officials and playing hardball during negotiations with districts."

Even as they hold children's education hostage, teachers unions want to keep the kids themselves as prisoners, unable to choose other forms of learning beyond the walls of hobbled government schools. 

The UTLA, along with other unions and Democratic Socialists of America, calls not just for a moratorium on charters, but also on voucher programs that help families pay for private school. They're not alone.

"The Association opposes voucher plans, tuition tax credits, or other such funding arrangements that pay for students to attend sectarian schools," the National Education Association (NEA), the country's largest teachers union, says in its 2019–2020 resolutions. "The Association also opposes any such arrangements that pay for students to attend nonsectarian preK through 12 private schools in order to obtain educational services that are available to them in public schools to which they have reasonable access."

Additionally, the NEA insists that homeschooling "instruction should be by persons who are licensed by the appropriate state education licensure agency, and a curriculum approved by the state department of education should be used." That would severely restrict the availability of DIY learning and eliminate its attractiveness for many families seeking something different from government schools. 

The kind of power wielded by organized police and teachers, particularly their ability to defy calls for change, comes courtesy not only of these unions' lock on large and powerful tax-funded services, but also their grip on the major political parties. 

Police unions are key players in the Republican Party. This year, to nobody's surprise, they are publicly backing President Donald J. Trump for reelection.

Teachers unions, for their part, are reliable and even dominant components of the Democratic coalition. The NEA predictably endorsed Joe Biden for president, as did the American Federation of Teachers.

Political candidates who hope for endorsements, funding, and volunteers from these labor unions tend to do their bidding. That means that police reform is off the table for most Republican officeholders, while educational choice is anathema to many Democrats. Such union-fueled obstructionism is awful at the best of times. But in 2020, as law enforcement and government schools alike are consumed by their own flaws, the unions and their cronies make a difficult time worse by hampering efforts to fix serious problems and by standing in the way of people's efforts to experiment with alternatives.

Labor Day may be an opportunity to celebrate the labor movement. But there's nothing to cheer in the conduct of police and teachers unions.

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  2. Of all the things that I regret, it is that we had an opportunity to bust the police unions, and Antifa violence ruined it. For the first time in years, the other public unions were actively shunning the Police Unions.

    It is not clear what can be done at the federal level to bust the police and teachers’ unions. The sad fact is that it really has to be done at the local level where each locality, city and state has passed different laws requiring that these unions get a seat at the administration table.

    1. The same exact thing happened after Ferguson. Find the news stories and watch as national momentum to change policing got co-opted into race pimping.

      1. Blame the media and the race hustlers for co-opting a good project for the same old crusade that will get nothing done. Antifa and BLM have vague goals – they should have the goal of reducing police-citizen encounters that often explode into violence. Target specific laws and police accountability practices rather than trying to change people’s hearts and minds by political theater.

        1. Don’t let a crisis go to waste. They latch on because they can’t get their policies implemented directly. It is the same reason politicians attach unrelated riders to must-pass legislation.

          1. Correct. Find a ‘winning’ horse and grab hold.

      2. Ferguson must not have happened, since Trump wasn’t President yet.

    2. Do you seriously think Democrats at the National level would let that happen?

    3. LeBron says voting will help. He just doesn’t realize that the voting has to be for Republicans this time.

  3. It is also interesting that after months of pushing Qualified Immunity as the panacea for police brutality, Reason has finally shifted to talk about the Unions. I don’t know what changed, but it is welcome. As long as police unions exist, QI will not solve anything. The unions will always be there to ensure that police are shielded from private lawsuits with subsidized (wholly) insurance or other rules that make the state responsible for their actions- which, you know, is the current state.

    1. I disagree. QI and unions are parallel problems. Neither fix will be a panacea but neither fix will be sufficient alone.

      1. And ending the “war on drugs”

    2. What changed is the theme of the upcoming edition of the Reason print magazine is police reform, so they wrote a bunch or articles on the topic.

      Reason has been saying qualified immunity reform is one piece of the puzzle, not the panacea for all problems.

      1. So Dee works for the magazine.

  4. As a Koch / Reason libertarian, I think of labor as something billionaires need to continuously import. That’s why I support unlimited, unrestricted immigration — it’s totally unfair to expect employers like Charles Koch to hire people born in the US.

    #OpenTheBordersToHelpCharlesKoch

    1. I love it when someone jumps in and makes a comment that is completely and totally unrelated to the subject of the article.

      Just type “I hate Charles Koch” and be done with it.

      1. I think you need to become more familiar with some of Reason.com’s regular parody accounts.

  5. “When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.”

  6. “No return until zero cases”. In other words, never!

    1. The most depressing thing about this article is the sign being held in the photo. Someone finally says (writes?) it out loud. No longer flattening a curve, no longer hoping for treatments or a vaccine. The goal is getting closer every day to being “zero cases.” Which means we will live in this dystopian version of life for years.

      1. Years? They can push this indefinitely. This thing will be like the common cold and will always swirl around. Are there ever zero cases of the common cold?

        1. Well, we’ve managed to reach zero cases of influenza this year…

          1. Well, if we tell the hospitals that they get an extra $15,000 for flu, and only $13,000 extra for the Communist Chinese Virus, flu cases will trend up immediately.

          2. But Massachusetts is still requiring flu shots for kids to go back to school for some reason.

        2. Let’s hope not.

          We’ve got to get these left leaning, communist indoctrination camps open as fast as possible. Call the school board! Get public schools open now!

      2. Someone in these comments said they witnessed someone say they “deserve a virus free life”

  7. “No return until zero cases”

    I accept your resignation.

  8. “No Return until Zero Cases”

    For progressives, it always boils down to inflicting their choices on people who don’t share their qualitative preferences, doesn’t it?

    No one’s forcing you to go back to school, buddy. There isn’t anything we do that doesn’t impact someone else in some way, and the idea that no one else should be able to do what they want unless what they do has no impact on anyone else is another way of saying that no one should be free to do anything without your permission.

    Fuck that noise.

    1. But in a power-based status society, jobs and salaries are “earned” by patronage and political trading, not by any market exchange of value and actual performance. These teachers and their unions think they not only own their jobs, but also own the entire mission of education–and certainly will not tolerate any options that might challenge their monopoly.

      1. I encourage them to keep pushing it. There are far more parents than there are teachers. This is our chance to get rid of that monopoly.

      2. Progressives mistake credentials for performance. It’s why they think they should be earning six figure salaries for their PhD in comparative literature instead of 14 bucks an hour at Starbucks. And why they want to control who has access to the credentialing.

        1. It’s like a particularly fucked up crossbred version of the labor theory of value plus cargo culting.

          “I’m way the fuck in debt because I went to school for this degree, therefore my labor has a high value.”

    2. Yeah, they call that the “precautionary principle”. No one but the government should be allowed to do anything unless it can be proven to be utterly harmless.

    3. Ken, I blame teachers unions a lot more than police unions for the current state of affairs.

      1. Living in Chicago it’s a tough call but I agree

        1. Ahh Chicago. If you want an education congratulations you can go tk st Ignatius, brother Rice, Marxist, queen of peace… You know any of the catholic schools, because the public schools are worse than leaving the kids hone

  9. “No return until zero cases.”

    If Trump wants to be the hero of this generation, he should do those unions what Reagan did to the Air Traffic Controllers union back in the day. Especially these fucking teachers’ unions.

    1. ABSOLUTELY.

      Fire them.

      This shit has gone on too long and the longer it goes the more the people paralyzed by paranoia will double down.

      And that son of a bitch corrupted cocksucking criminal Fauci is leading that charge.

    2. The air traffic controllers were federal employees on an illegal strike. Teachers are not federal employees, yet.

      1. They take fed money.

        1. That doesn’t make them federal employees.

          1. That’s why I said “they take federal money” instead of “they are federal employees”

          2. No shit? I guess he shouldn’t have said it made them federal employees then.

            1. I guess he shouldn’t have said it made them federal employees then.

              I didn’t.

              1. Wow then that other guy looks pretty silly!

            2. It was implied that because they take federal money they are equivalent to federal employees.

              1. “It was implied ”

                This is how you say “I was wrong and can’t admit it”

              2. “It was implied”

                HEY GUYS WE GOT US ANOTHER IDIOT MIND READER!!!

                1. no it’s the same one as before

              3. >> It was implied

                hi white knight

                1. Hi! Yes Way, Ted isn’t me, by the way.

                2. Are you staking out the intellectual position that nothing is ever implied?

                  1. Exactly. Because clearly anyone that receives federal funds is, unless very specifically stated otherwise, a federal employee.

                    The Rabbi is pswnd.

        2. The feds sent me a check a few months ago. That didn’t give them the authority to fire me. A Reagan v PATCO for teachers will have to come from state or local government.

          1. “The feds sent me a check a few months ago. That didn’t give them the authority to fire me”

            Man I bet you thought you had a point too.

          2. The feds sent me a check

            And you are the same as a school district.

            A Reagan v PATCO for teachers will have to come from state or local government.

            South Dakota v Dole says otherwise.

            Oh yeah you forgot you were totally wrong and this was decided decades ago.

            Man that’s gotta hurt, you being completely wrong and then compounding it by being ignorant of the law too.

            1. Maybe you should read South Dakota v Dole. It dealt with the federal government withholding funds. It didn’t say the federal government can fire state employees.

              1. Maybe you should UNDERSTAND SD v Dole.

                It dealt with withiolding of funds to achieve a desried state behavior.

                God samn guy how fucking stupid are you?

                1. Well, smarter than you in that I know it doesn’t give the President the authority to fire teachers.

                  1. Please quote where said it did smart guy.

                    1. Still waiting.

                    2. A Reagan v PATCO for teachers will have to come from state or local government.

                      South Dakota v Dole says otherwise.
                      Are you not aware what happened with the air traffic controller strike, because that is what you responded to.

                    3. Still waiting

                      Let me help

                      Ctrl f “fire”

                    4. Still waiting

                    5. Still waiting guy

                    6. I’ll take your flight from the field as another surrender.

                2. South Dakota v. Dole, 483 U.S. 203 (1987), was a case in which the United States Supreme Court considered the limitations that the Constitution places on the authority of the United States Congress when it uses its authority to influence the individual states in areas of authority normally reserved to the states. It upheld the constitutionality of a federal statute that withheld federal funds from states whose legal drinking age did not conform to federal policy.[1]

                  Trump “Fire any teachers that won’t come back”

                  States “No”

                  Trump “Fine you get no money”

                  States “You’re all fired”

                  You “Fuck, I’m a moron”

                  1. Damn you are a moron.

                    1. I accept your surrender.

                    2. I’m sure you believe that.

                    3. Rat on a train
                      September.7.2020 at 12:32 pm
                      Damn you are a moron

                      That moment you become aware that you were wrong, frozen forever.

                    4. You quit like a bitch it’s right there.

                    5. If you think the funder has no authority to control the funded, not only are you wrong, you’re too stupid to converse with.

                    6. If you think the funder has no authority to control the funded, not only are you wrong, you’re too stupid to converse with.
                      An organization accepting of federal funding does not give the President the power to fire the organization’s employees.

                    7. Dam you slapped him so hard he’s stopped rssponding and just started stuttering

                    8. “An organization accepting of federal funding does not give the President the power to fire the organization’s employees.”

                      Cite?

                  2. All that anger is going to give you ass cancer.

                    1. I’m sorry pointing out how wrong you were upset you.

                    2. Hey White Knight, why the new sock?

              2. It’s obvious you went to Wikipedia and read the intro because your summary makes it clear you have no idea what that case was about.

      2. So it’s up to the Governors to fire them?

        1. Governors or mayors. Teachers work for state or local government. Trump can’t fire them.

          1. Courts have held that

            1) educstion is a constittionally protected right

            2) the President has a duty to protect the Constitutional rights of citizens

            He could nationalize and fire the teachers. It IS within his authority. You couldn’t be more wrong.

            1. educstion is a constittionally protected right

              No, and apparently you missed yours.

            2. ‘Constitutionally protected right’ does not mean ‘the Federal government controls its provision’.

              It doesn’t even mean that government has to provide it.

              It just means that government can’t get in the way of you getting it.

              1. And there is no federal right to education. Many state constitutions explicitly grant a right to education, and courts have held such a right under those constitutions, but that doesn’t make it a federal right.

    3. He can’t. Reagan was able to do the Air Traffic Controllers because they are federal employees. The teachers work for local governments, Trump has no authority to do anything to them.

      1. They take federal money.

        1. Doesn’t matter; they are still not federal employees. There is the matter of the contract between the union and the local/state government. The federal government is not a party to the contract.

      2. The national drinking age is 21 precisely because of authority that you claim the President doesn’t have.

        1. The President didn’t declare a national drinking age. The national drinking age is 21 because Congress passed a law making federal transportation funds contingent on raising the drinking age.

          1. “The President didn’t declare a national drinking age. ”

            And I never claimed he did. You don’t read for comprehension do you?

            1. MatthewSlyfield: Reagan was able to do the Air Traffic Controllers because they are federal employees.
              You: The national drinking age is 21 precisely because of authority that you claim the President doesn’t have.

              Sure reads like that.

              1. “Sure reads like that”

                I covered that which you would know if you read well.

                “You don’t read for comprehension do you?”

                This thing you are doing all over this thread where you are arguing with people because your reading skils suck?

                Yeah you should stop. I’m the third person I can see who you made assumptions about and were subsequently shown to be wholly wrong.

                1. The new socks are getting testy.

                    1. I’ve been Hinhfected before. I learned there is a time to stop feeding the trolls.

                    2. Ok but why are you sharing how you feel?

                    3. You were wrong so trolls. Got it.

                    4. “I learned there is a time to stop feeding the trolls.”

                      Conveniently it is always right after you make a point you can’t support.

            2. Actually, you did.

              Because the claim was that the President doesn’t have the authority to fire teachers just because schools take federal money.

              Then you claim that the national drinking age exists because of presidential proclamation – ie, the authority Rat said the President doesn’t have.

              When actually the national drinking age isn’t actually national and exists because *Congress* made receiving highway funds contingent on implementation by the states.

              Very different things. And certainly not a power the President has.

      3. I guess his next gig after he serves 0 or 1 more term as President could be governor of Florida or something.

        Highest entertainment value would be Supreme Court Justice Donald J. Trump.

        1. If RBG resigns/kicks it late into his 2nd term he should totally nominate himself.

    4. Teachers aren’t federal employees, so I don’t think he can do that. My uncle was one of the air traffic controllers Reagan fired, and he learned very quickly that everyone is replaceable.

      I’m with you in spirit, though. Maybe governors can do it?

    5. We could pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting contracting with public employee unions.

  10. “Police unions are key players in the Republican Party. This year, to nobody’s surprise, they are publicly backing President Donald J. Trump for reelection.”

    Well, yeah, after the Democrats they had supported for so long threw them under the bus.

    1. It’s more piecemeal, state by state, city by city. Tuccille’s statement is untrue, whether or not a national union is supporting orangemanbad. And, it’s an election year; team blue will be feigning interest in law and order ‘to protect communities,’ just as every four years they feign interest in the lives of the working poor, middle class, and non-white folks.

    2. Yeah, the police unions in Seattle, Portland, LA, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, Baltimore, New York, etc. have been key players in the Republican Party in those cities for decades, which is why all the police brutality and systemic racism… oh wait, did you say Republican?

  11. ‘No return until zero cases’.

    Wow.

    I guess stop civilization.

    These people are frighteningly stupid.

    1. And stupidly frightened.

    2. I guess stop civilization.

      That is the explicitly stated goal of many leftists.

    3. They’re not worried. They’ll wait as long as necessary – because we’ll still be paying them to sit around the house anyway so they can afford to.

      And they’ll still bitch that they only get paid 40k for 9 months of work.

  12. I don’t even want to imagine the moral outlook of somebody who thinks Police Unions that get murderers off and unions for public school Teachers that legitimately use their negotiating power to get better working conditions for themselves so they can more effectively educate children, but they’d fit right in at Reason dot com.

    1. You don’t hide very well Shreek.

    2. Hey listen I know you were trying to jam as many trolls into that as possible and got distracted but it’s a fragment, and doesn’t make sense.

      1. Thinking is hard for those who abuse their emotions.

    3. Public-employee unions are the only ones that negotiate their contracts without the adversarial party at the bargaining table. That’s how the employees end up with obscenely-bloated compensation packages and contract clauses that protect them from dismissal or punishment for negligent or malicious conduct. Teachers, bureaucrats, and law enforcement included.

      Now let’s move on to the District Attorneys.

      1. Public employee unions not only don’t negotiate with their adversarial party (the taxpayers), they negotiate with the politicians they help elect (through campaign contributions). It’s a win-win-lose situation.

    4. Bad cops kill maybe a dozen innocent people every year.

      Bad teachers kill millions of innocent people every year: poverty, unemployment, crime, and obesity are all consequences of bad teachers in public schools.

      And it’s the primary job of teacher’s unions to allow bad teachers to keep teaching.

      1. “Bad cops kill maybe a dozen innocent people every year.”

        It’s actually hundreds of people, but in a country this large, your point still stands.

        1. Hundreds are also dozens.

          In the future when you want to be a pedantic cunt while adding nothing at all try to at least be correct.

          1. ” 2″

            banned again?

          2. But a hundred is not a dozen.

            In the future when you want to be a pedantic cunt while adding nothing at all try to at least read what was written instead of commenting on what you think was written.

        2. Cops kill about 1200 people per year; less than 1% are cases in which the person killed wasn’t substantially responsible for their own death. Meaning, the person killed was on drugs, was threatening/attacking the cop, or was committing a felony.

          1. less than 1% are cases in which the person killed wasn’t substantially responsible for their own death.

            That’s highly subjective.

      2. But they can’t be bad teachers, if they have the state approved teaching credential and belong to the teachers’ union.

  13. “Even as they hold children’s education hostage, teachers unions want to keep the kids themselves as prisoners, unable to choose other forms of learning beyond the walls of hobbled government schools.”

    Human shields.

    1. “So, this fall, virtual class discussion will have many potential spectators — parents, siblings, etc. — in the same room. We’ll never be quite sure who is overhearing the discourse. What does this do for our equity/inclusion work?” Kay tweeted. “How much have students depended on the (somewhat) secure barriers of our physical classrooms to encourage vulnerability? How many of us have installed some version of ‘what happens here stays here’ to help this?”

      We know the real reason they’re so adamant about children not being able to opt out of the public school indoctrination system.

      1. Hard to brainwash kids when the people paying your salaries are listening in.

      2. How many of us have installed some version of ‘what happens here stays here’ to help this?”

        I would say that if you’re teaching something and have to implement a ‘what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas’ policy then maybe we don’t want you teaching whatever the fuck it is that you’re teaching that you think needs this.

  14. Pst. Retard. Masks don’t work. Especially outside. It’s all animus with these ignoramuses.

  15. BLM leaders happily tout their Marxism and how they organized BLM to be Marxist

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/nation-world/2020/07/22/politifact-is-black-lives-matter-a-marxist-movement/%3foutputType=amp

    Black Lives Matter co-founders declared that she and another co-founder “are trained Marxists.”

    1. Dummy they were lying then when it didn’t matter not now when it does

    2. Did Marx corroborate that they are Marxist? Yeah I didn’t think so.

      1. “Did Marx corroborate that they are Marxist? ”

        He woudn’t even corroborate that HE was a Marxist.

        “If anything is certain, it is that I myself am not a Marxist”

        Imagine your ideology being so stupid that you have to publicly disown it utterly.

        1. Imagine your ideology being so stupid that you have to publicly disown it utterly.

          Works for the Pope.

        2. It didn’t stop Krugman. Austerity bad. Even when it’s not austerity. Stimulus good. Even when the economy is booming. Because multiplier effect. Even though the sign should be negative for government spending.

    3. “ These days, Marxism usually means analyzing social change through an economic lens, with the assumption that the rich and the poor should become more equal.”

      Lots of people do that; that may be stupid, but it doesn’t make you a Marxist.

      BLM is rooted in neo-Marxism and Frankfurt school, a specific ideology involving race, class, culture, and oppression. And these ideas have become fairly mainstream. Bad, destructive ideas often do: that’s how fascism and communism took over large parts of the world.

      1. Real libertarianism would greatly reduce wealth inequality.

        1. Free markets make everybody wealthier, but they also increase inequality.

          Conversely, socialism and progressivism deliver on the promise of decreasing inequality, at the cost of making everybody (much) poorer.

          1. Nope. Our level of inequality would be impossible without the alliance between the ultra-wealthy and big government.

        2. Real libertarianism would greatly increase wealth inequality. And most people would be far better off.

          Freedom allows people to create wealth more easily, and allows them to keep that wealth.

          1. Real libertarianism would greatly increase wealth inequality.

            No, it wouldn’t. Our level of wealth inequality is made possible only by the ultra-wealthy conspiring with ultra-big government to prevent the earning and accumulation of wealth by those outside their club.

    4. If that’s directed at me, I’ve always concurred that some of the leaders of BLM are self-declared Marxists. I’m not even a supporter of the BLM organizations.

      The actually argument I have made (often) is that you should be sure you are actually talking about someone affiliated with BLM, the organization, when you use “BLM” as an adjective. Here, it is totally appropriate.

    5. trained Marxists

      How many shots to the frontal lobe with a ball-peen hammer does it take to complete that “training”?

  16. I wonder how many teachers go grocery shopping during the pandemic? Lots of people shopping and lots of workers that interact with more people day to day than teachers do.

  17. Fine, I accept that you don’t want to return. Your choice. Let’s talk about consequences.

    No salary for teachers until they return.

    No job without completing high school.

    1. The real consequence for teachers and teacher unions if all the classes are virtual is that there’s no reason to limit your kids’ online classes to the local teachers’ union members. If all the teachers are remote, find the best in class remote teachers, who may be in another state, or may not be in a union or may not have a credential.

      1. BINGO!

        This works even better for universities, where stellar professors are more readily identified and ‘personal interactions’ are completely unnecessary.

        If this were implemented well it would close half of our colleges and solve the student debt ‘crisis’ in one move.

  18. There’s an old man who has something akin to early Parkinson’s who is a cashier at my local Walmart. He’s an “essential worker.” It broke my heart to see him there, and I wished I could pay him the equivalent of his salary to go home. Maybe he really needed to keep his health insurance. And I should not be quick to judge – my father is semi-retired and works at a Holiday Inn, and he was very glad to go back to work and feel useful again.

    Nonetheless, I think of that man when I see these young, healthy teachers throwing tantrums, insisting that they cannot teach but that other avenues should be cut off as well. This is not about the children.

    Perhaps we correct the pay disparity. That elderly gent at Walmart should get the teacher’s salary, and she can have his salary to stay home.

    1. That elderly gent may be choosing to work. My parents don’t give a f*ck about COVID. After growing up without penicillin, going through a world war and a genocide, the reaction to COVID is absurd to them. They are certainly not going to waste their remaining years through self imposed prison just because they might die.

    2. Teachers have been gutless cowards since March. We had a union leader who wanted schools to open in 2021.

      How is that remotely ‘for the children’?

      1. Teachers have been gutless cowards since March. We had a union leader who wanted schools to open in 2021.

        That’s greed, not gutlessness. Wouldn’t you want to get a paid year off?

        How is that remotely ‘for the children’?

        Many public school teachers don’t care about children; they care about benefits and retirement.

        1. “Many public school teachers don’t care about children; they care about benefits and retirement.”

          Indeed. When I did my student teaching, the government school teacher I was placed with yelled at and berated her students all day long. She confessed to me she was just trying to make it three years to retirement and a full pension and benefits.

          1. I didn’t know you were a teacher Laursen.

            Explains why your posts are so bad.

            1. Who the fuck is Lsursen?

              Don’t like my posts? Don’t read ’em!

        2. That’s greed, not gutlessness. Wouldn’t you want to get a paid year off?
          Before the carnivorous shut everything down, I took public transport to work. There were a lot of government employees on the train. They would get giddy whenever there a chance of a government shutdown. It was a free vacation. Sometimes they would complain when there were last minute deals to keep the government open.

          1. Are you sure? We’ve seen that your ability to understand conversation is… not fully developed.

        3. There’s greed for sure. But they’re gutless too. Have you listened to how some of these teachers are truly scared of this virus?

          1. Yes. Some are scared to work in school even with the students at home.

            1. Just what you want from a teacher.

              Some lessons they’re giving kids, eh?

    3. As NOYB2 said, he might prefer to work. He might enjoy being out among people instead of hiding away in his home. The reward could outweigh the risk. But your point is well made comparing him to the young teachers.

    4. The elderly gent at Walmart is getting paid because he’s creating value. If the healthy young teacher doesn’t want to create value any more, stop paying him.

  19. Good riddance to public indoctrination schools.

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  22. Government employees should not be able to unionize, it’s that simple. I can’t opt out of government (ie; tell the police to fuck off), so they should not be able to leverage political pull and circumvent the will of the voters. If you want to unionize, go into the private sector; THERE I can exercise freedom of association. I can choose to not do business with union members.

    If they don’t like it, tough shit. Form a political group and convince the voters you need x money or y laws. We pay your precious salaries, not Congress.

    1. Government employees should not be able to unionize, it’s that simple.

      To paraphrase Obama: “Civilized nations don’t let government employees unionize.”

      Civilized nations also balance the budget and link government salaries and benefits to tax revenues and the economy.

      1. Did Obummer say that? Was it before or during his presidency? He has a habit of saying one thing and doing another.

        1. Obama and other progressives like to say “We should do X because other civilized nations do X.”, for X=single payer healthcare, free university, and a few other things.

          I’m just applying the principle: X=prohibition against public sector unions, limited public sector retirement programs, balanced budgets, much higher middle class taxes, lower corporate and capital gains taxes, restrictions on abortion, etc.

          IOW, I was being sarcastic.

    2. I’m okay with letting them unionize. Just don’t let them donate to politicians.

      1. Great point, CE. Corruption is endemic when you have public sector unions making donations to politicians, while at the same time negotiating contracts with the same public unions. That is a tremendous problem in the People’s Republic of NJ.

  23. “Teachers won newfound respect at the start of the pandemic as parents learned just how difficult it was to teach their kids at home,”
    So says Politico.

    Reality says “Teachers lost all respect when parents at home found out what drivel the kids were being taught, and how a real education can be done in just a few hours a day”. And the teacher – student ratio is excellent when home schooling.

    1. how a real education can be done in just a few hours a day
      Here it is 0845-1130 MTTF plus some online resources like Lexia and Dreambox.

    2. And the teacher – student ratio is excellent when home schooling.

      Good point. Central planners would blush at a 1:2 – 1:4 ratio. And it didn’t cost the taxpayers a dime.

      1. And it didn’t cost the taxpayers a dime.

        Sadly, it’s still costing the taxpayers everything it did before. Now it’s just obvious that they aren’t getting anything other than daycare services for it.

    3. “ Reality says “Teachers lost all respect when parents at home found out what drivel the kids were being taught, and how a real education can be done in just a few hours a day”…..

      And then demand public schools open back up.

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  25. No return until zero cases? How is that supposed to work?

    No more driving to work until zero highway accidents?

    No more taking showers until people stop falling in tubs?

    No more hospital visits for anything until zero accidental/negligent/malpractice deaths?

    No more fast food until heart disease and diabetes are cured?

    1. No more sex until sexually transmitted diseases are eradicated?

      1. To be fair, not driving WOULD lead to zero highway accidents…and you’d just have to hope that enough “clean” people were capable of breeding after the diseased people were cured or died, but that too would be a “self-correcting” problem.

    2. No eating until choking deaths reach zero.

      No breathing until pneumonia deaths reach zero.

  26. First it was flattening the curve because overloading the hospitals would cost lives. Made sense. Never happened.
    Then it became no one can die. Noble, I guess, but completely unrealistic. And of course there are other things to attend to.
    Now it’s down to no one can get C-19. No cases. Nevermind C-19 turned out to be so innocuous most people don’t even know they have it. Nevermind the only virus ever eradicated was Smallpox, after decades of vaccination. The irony is these people run around “SCIENCE!!”.

  27. Public school teachers must be the most fragile, vulnerable people on the planet. Clearly they just need to be put up in a special sterilized facility for the rest of their meager days. Maybe we can replace them with prople who have more robust immune systems, like grocery store workers.

      1. I dunno, I kinda liked “prople”. They’re pros! They won’t refuse to go to work just because disease has not been entirely eradicated from the world!

    1. Replace them?

      We’ve spent months trying to get public schools reopened.

  28. This Labor Day, Police and Teachers Unions Are Making a Bad Year Worse

    1. This Labor Day, Police and Teachers Unions Are Making a Bad Year Worse

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  30. Unions have historically been a force for good as workers fought for better conditions. But 2020 . . . .

    Let’s be honest here – unions haven’t been ‘a force for good’ since the 1940’s, at least. And I’m thinking I’m being generous there. Unions are why American car manufacturers got their lunch eaten by first the Japanese and then the Koreans and had to be bailed out by the government multiple times.

    We’re a long way from the days when the Pinkertons were the villains and long into the days when ‘card check’ and unions making threats of violence – even commit actual acts of violence – and get legal cover for them.

  31. MF can go out to protest with hundreds or thousands of people, but demands not returning to work/school until there are 0 cases.

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  33. The police unions (their errors notwithstanding) are not “making things worse”. That title belongs to other entities.

    We have problems in this country. Teachers union protect predator. American presidents vaporize weddings with drone strikes. These are long standing issues and many apologists and activists get in the way of reforms. But they rarely result in massive unrest and riots.

    Reason continues to operate in a vacuum. As of now, I’m opposed to outright abolishing of QI, which is a dangerous idea in the age of antifa. Reform it, and actually provide additional protection for police officers on the streets.

    Have you seem these antifa idiots set themselves on with molotov cocktails? If cops aren’t physically there to confront these loons and confiscate their many dangerous toys in vans, these people would spread like wildfire. Look how dangerously close they come to mayors and governors. They vandalize their homes and set fires nearby.

    Why does a publication named Reason ignore cultists who eschew reason in favor of their cause? Why do they obtusely point somewhere else? BLM is a cult. I don’t care if police brutality is an issue, it does not give cultists moral cause to burn down cities. Marxist revolutions are also based on grievances and discontent, but people on this side don’t treat the likes of Che as revolutionary heroes.

    1. Rightwing violence far outstrips left wing violence in America right now and has for decades. Name someone Antifa killed. Rightwing ideas are also terrible. How much of their civil rights do we get to chisel away at? A lot?

      1. Aaron “Jay” Danielson
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        Apparently you are deaf, dumb, and blind, or you are an idiot.

        1. Also, don’t be fooled. The people who classify whether violence is left or right-wing are all leftists, or at the very least, statists who can’t bear the idea of individuals existing in society.

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  35. The “no return until zero cases” is indicative of the intellectual depth of the “teachers”. This supposedly educated low-watt bulb is asking to be 100% protected from catching something.
    I passed through government schools when participation was expected, not rewarded. Even then, there were grammar-school teachers who were obviously out of their depth dealing with 12 year-olds.
    And, as is obvious, it has not gotten better.

    1. And if politicians have a semi-operational brain, they’d see a sign like that and realize, ‘Oh shit. We may have to pivot here or else’.

  36. “Unions have historically been a force for good as workers fought for better conditions.”

    It’s sad when a statement like this can be made as a matter-of-fact claim without any evidence whatsoever.

    ‘Unions have sometimes been a force for good’ – defendable.

    But generally a force for good historically? As a claim in a Libertarian magazine? What the hell Reason? A force for good, you mean like the decades unions serially extorting car companies for unreasonable promises that ultimately killed the competitiveness of major american automotive companies and allowed Japan and other Asian auto companies to eat their lunch? If you want to know why Detroit is a hellhole today, the story starts with unions (and only ends with Democrat governance).

    Nor is it clear when public service unions have *ever* been a force for good, historically or otherwise.

    I’d like evidence of something Unions have done in the last, oh, 80 years, that was unambiguously a ‘force for good’ to the degree that it can just be tossed off as a fact in no need of documentation.

    1. ‘Historically’ includes pre WW2, and particularly pre WW1 when unions were instrumental in getting better working conditions for workers.

      The last 80 years the unions have been a mixed bag. Some exposures to hazardous or teratogenic chemicals like asbestos have been identified and workers’ right to refuse such work or have safety equipment has been upheld.

      As working conditions have improved, unions have fewer serious issues to address, and have become both less relevant and more petty. They are slowly fading away EXCEPT IN GOVERNMENT, where they should never have been in the first place.

      Throughout the ENTIRE history the union movement has been corrupt.

      1. Any worker in the United States has the right to refuse such work.

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  41. Is this false equivalence day at Reason?

    Police are making matters worse only because they are failing to protect everyone who isn’t a BLM rioter from the BLM rioters.

    Oh wait you bought into that whole completely substantiated racist police executing poor blacks who were just doing “nuthin”. God what a dope. The media only reports certain incidents.

    Don’t you think if their rampant execution of innocent black people was real that every once in awhile the alleged victim would not be someone like Jacob Blake or Michael Brown.

    And teachers are just following human nature. If you can get paid for not working many folks will fight like hell not o work. Lay them off and their tune would change 100%.

    Note its just public school teachers who feel comfortable protesting not to work but with full pay.

    1. The percentage of urban Black men who are “someone like Jacob Blake or Michael Brown” is very high.

  42. “This Labor Day, Police and Teachers Unions Are Making a Bad Year Worse”

    Don’t neglect their significant culpability in making it a bad year in the first place.

  43. So the NEA thinks that, despite having a PhD, I am incapable of educating my elementary age kids because I don’t have their stamp of approval. How ridiculous.

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