Black Lives Matter

81 Percent of Black Americans Want the Same Level, or More, of Police Presence: Gallup

Growing calls to defund or abolish cops in the wake of police-brutality protests are at odds with what most African Americans actually want.

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As calls to defund and abolish the police grow around the country, a new poll by Gallup finds that a large majority—81 percent—of black Americans want the same or increased levels of police presence in their neighborhoods. Just 19 percent of black Americans said they want the police to spend less time in their neighborhoods, a figure that accords with earlier surveys finding that only 22 percent of black Americans want to get rid of police forces as we know then.

Gallup collected the data online between June 23 and July 6 from a representative sample of over 30,000 respondents who were sorted into one of four categories (black, white, Hispanic, and Asian). The survey also found that

Black Americans' reported exposure to local police is slightly above the national average, with 32% saying they see the police often or very often in their neighborhood. This compares with 22% of White Americans and 21% of Asian Americans. Hispanic Americans' experience is similar to that of Black Americans, with 28% often seeing police where they live.

Most other Black Americans (41%) say they sometimes see police in their area, matching the national average, while another 27% say they rarely or never see them.

Asians were the largest group preferring police spend less time in their areas. Fully 28 percent of Asian Americans wanted to see less of the police, double the national average. At the same time, 78 percent of Asian Americans were either very confident or somewhat confident that they would be treated with "courtesy and respect" when interacting with police. The corresponding figure for black Americans was just 61 percent.

An earlier Gallup survey found overwhelming support among all Americans for "major changes" (58 percent) and "minor changes" (36 percent) in the way police departments operate. Only 6 percent of respondents said no changes were needed. Among the most-popular reforms were punishing officers who abuse citizens and firing cops with multiple infractions. Fifty-six percent of respondents also favored eliminating police unions, which are widely seen as protecting bad apples from discipline and prosecution.

Ironically, the new survey on feelings toward law enforcement presence, part of the Gallup Center on Black Voices, suggests that if Black Lives Matters and other police abolitionists get their way, they will be thwarting the views of very group in whose name they are acting.

Related video: "Why Bad Cops Aren't Punished: The Case Against Qualified Immunity."

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  1. Well their mistake was actually going out and asking black people about it.

    The right way to do this is to wait for some white kid burn your neighborhood down, THAT’S democracy.

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    2. Well their mistake was actually going out and asking black people about it.

      Kind like when someone finally went and polled Native Americans on what they think of various sports team names (and the term “Native American”).

      1. just saw a local incident of this out here. I guess a school in Glendale decided they needed to rename their mascot from Chiefs. Of course the only people saying it needed to happen were white people who ignored all the native american people who came to the council meeting to say they were cool with it.

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    3. The responders here seem to conclude that people’s desire to have the police spend as much or more time in the neighborhoods means the same thing as wanting a continuation of the same policing behaviors and practices. There is nothing contradictory about wanting police to spend the same or more time policing, and wanting to change exactly what “policing” means in regard to stop and frisk policies, racial profiling, and excessive force.

      One of the biggest problems in our country these days is that people aren’t arguing about the same things. “Defund the police” is used to mean anything from making mental health and family conflicts the responsibility of a mental health team rather than the police, to utterly doing away with any kind of policing whatsoever. You could use the same term and be completely right in your defense of your point while the other person could do the same. That isn’t productive and it isn’t intellectually honest. Until Trump finally clarified it almost a year into office, “The Wall” was defended by many Congressional Republicans as “A series of intelligently designed and implemented measures to stop illegal crossings: from drones and electronic monitoring to manned surveillance to solid border structures, choosing the best solution for particular areas”. The latter made all kinds of sense. A monolith does not. Unfortunately Trump doesn’t tend to side with the sensible approach to anything. But at the time Democrats were completely reasonable to shout down the idea of a single monolithic impenetrable structure spanning private property, water, mountains, and unstable soil as financially and practically impossible. Republicans took that to mean “Democrats want no border security whatsoever”.

      Until people can agree to the terms of an argument, they’re not making an argument. They’re singing songs of allegiance to themselves. But I guess that’s what most people these days are most interested in.

      1. You’re right.
        But in most cases they don’t want to make an argument or present a case. Hell, they don’t even want to define terms because, once defined, it becomes more difficult to wiggle and dodge to get to where you really want to go.

        Typically this type of ‘argumentation’ is called “Motte & Bailey” : “a combination of bait-and-switch and equivocation in which someone switches between a “motte” (an easy-to-defend and often common-sense statement, such as “police shouldn’t use excessive fore”) and a “bailey” (a hard-to-defend and more controversial statement, such as “defund the police”) in order to defend a viewpoint. Someone will argue the easy-to-defend position (motte) temporarily, to ward off critics, while the less-defensible position (bailey) remains the desired belief” (albeit one which does not need to be defended because all the attention is on the “motte”).

        So you’re right….they’re not making an argument. They’re singing, as you say, or preaching, or exclaiming, or doing whatever they need to go to get media minutes. Defunding the police is a prima facie idiocy, but that doesn’t stop either the mob or the media or even major members of the Democratic Party from embracing that nihilistic idiocy as platform if they think it buys votes.

      2. This

      3. The responders here seem to conclude that people’s desire to have the police spend as much or more time in the neighborhoods means the same thing as wanting a continuation of the same policing behaviors and practices.

        No, what it means is that the respondents are satisfied with how the police operate in their neighborhood.

        Republicans took that to mean “Democrats want no border security whatsoever”.

        Democrats have openly advocated for letting anybody who wants to come to the US; they argue that even the most uneducated South American peasant is of net benefit to the country; Democrats have opposed identification requirements, immigration enforcement against illegals, and deportations. Democrats have favored extending healthcare, education, and welfare benefits to illegals. You know all of this full well; you are trying to gaslight us when you say that all Democrats really oppose is a physical wall. Obviously, you have studied in the Goebbels/Stalin school of propaganda.

  2. Hey, Nick; or Reason staff, or whoever assigns article groupings, how about reserving “Black Lives Matter” for the Marxist, anti-family, group by that name, and come up with a different tag for “things that concern all black people”?

    1. Anti-family?

      1. Yes, anti-family. It’s in the BLM mission statement

  3. Good video. It is sad that QI has become a partisan issue. Libertarians have been talking about it for a long time, and Democrats finally came around to it. But because Republicans can’t be seen agreeing with Democrats, their knee-jerk reaction is to oppose QI reform and come up with excuses to justify their partisanship. It’s stupid.

    1. Yea, it’s those darn Republicans who sabotaged police reform…

      1. “White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said this week that eliminating ‘qualified immunity,’ the legal standard that protects police from being held liable for actions taken in the line of duty that are not explicitly against the law, is a ‘nonstarter’ for the administration.“

        https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article243484141.html

        1. Oh, it’s just wonderful to have one of those ‘neutral’ people to point out how — ooops:
          “Joe Biden Isn’t Ready To End Qualified Immunity”
          https://reason.com/2020/07/13/joe-biden-qualified-immunity-police-unions-criminal-justice/

          Both expected and pathetic.

        2. I’d like to end QI. I have no idea, however, how liability of police officers should be regulated, and I wouldn’t want to leave that to the courts.

          But the simple fact is that ending QI isn’t high on my agenda nor on the agenda of most other Americans, for the simple reason that it is unlikely to ever affect us. That’s why it’s a non-starter. There are more important things to worry about right now.

    2. Usually you want to wait a few weeks before you try rewriting the narrative.

      Stating QI is not the “solves all problems” solution is not saying it doesn’t need to be reformed. but there is a wide step between current QI and limited QI you refused to acknowledge.

      1. Honestly, the only thing the legislature needs to do is actually take ownership of QI and legally define it. They could fix a lot of problems with it without completely abolishing it, and it’s a very reasonable compromise between the Republican and Democratic positions.

        For that reason, of course, there’s zero hope for this happening. It’s an election year and we can’t afford to solve issues until after the election.

      2. Nobody I know of is saying that fixing QI will solve everything. It isn’t a silver bullet. What people are complaining about is the part that the courts invented, not the original intent of the legislation. So we are actually in agreement, though your stubbornness and partisanship won’t let you admit it.

        1. I will say you are ignoring several bills introduced by Republicans that would have changed how QI was applied. Pelosi and Schumer both stated they were DOA because they didn’t entirely remove QI, but more narrowly defined it. Several Reason authors parroted these talking points, but the descriptions of the bills seemed a good step, allowing for some QI protection when it should be applied while eliminating the worst examples of QI abuse.

          1. This. He was even told about this before.

          2. “White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said this week that eliminating ‘qualified immunity,’ the legal standard that protects police from being held liable for actions taken in the line of duty that are not explicitly against the law, is a ‘nonstarter’ for the administration.“

            https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article243484141.html

            1. Oh, it’s just wonderful to have one of those ‘neutral’ people to point out how — ooops:
              “Joe Biden Isn’t Ready To End Qualified Immunity”
              https://reason.com/2020/07/13/joe-biden-qualified-immunity-police-unions-criminal-justice/

              Both expected and pathetic.

            2. And this disproves my statement of fact how?

    3. I did not watch the video, but I don’t see how reforming QI gets cops held accountable.

      Let’s be clear: Qualified Immunity *only* protects government agents from being sued as individuals for violating someone’s rights.

      The government itself can still be sued. So the people who *actually* make the decision to hire, fire or otherwise discipline the police have always been and remain liable for wrongful death or other civil rights violation suits. Indeed, governments pay these out ALL THE TIME.

      If you make it so that cops (and other government agents) can be sued, it won’t change much. Those cops will still work for the state. They will find a way to discharge the debts (via bankruptcy) or to get the state to pay for insurance. And since states ALREADY pay out vast sums of money for the misdeeds of cops, while keeping those cops on the payroll, I don’t understand why people think insurance costs will change the behavior.

      I have no problem with QI. But Reason should above all be fighting to destroy the police unions. A majority of the public wants it, and they are actually the people keeping bad cops employed.

      1. I disagree. It would change a lot. What you say about government entities paying out for the misdeeds of their employees is true. It is, however, also true of large corporations. And employees at large corporations do not have QI. And the prospect of being individually liable for negligence or misdeeds absolutely deters private employees even though in most cases it will be their employers stuck with the bill.

        1. I disagree with your disagreement. Large corporations go out of business when they have to pay large settlements, and so they have an incentive to police (har har) their employees. For years and years, Police departments and cities, counties and states have been paying out settlements, and yet they continue to keep bad cops on the payrolls.

          The problem is that government entities are not price sensitive. They won’t go out of business, and so $10 Million judgements, or $10 Million in insurance fees matter less. I am sure they matter some amount, but all past behavior indicates that it won’t matter a lot.

          As an aside, despite not having QI as a private individual, we regularly see individuals NOT sued. This is because 1) In some states, (c.f. Colorado) companies cannot countersue the plaintiff but individuals can, 2) Individuals do not have deep pockets, and 3) arguing that you had a bad apple makes it harder for the plaintiff to argue that the company should pay for “systemic” negligence.

          1. Not sure government entities are not price sensitive. The Federal government, which can “print” money, is not. States and cities don’t have endless money.

            1. Some sure spend like they do. Cough Illinois cough California cough cough New York.

        2. Take a look at the Union contracts, a lot of them require the State to pay for any lawsuits towards their employees.

  4. The community that is proportionally the biggest victims of crime want more not less police protection. Shocking news from the world of SCIENCE!!

    1. It appears the “community marches” and “cease-fire weekends” just aren’t enough.

  5. “Obviously you people are not real Blacks!”

    1. When asked for comment Joe Biden stated:

      “If you want protection from looting, arson, destruction of personal property, social incohesion, protesting on public highways and roads, physical intimidation and assault from angry mobs, you ain’t black!”

      1. *Fake news* That is way to coherent to be an actual Biden quote.

        1. When it comes to making sure that the criminal justice system is HEAVILY involved in poor minority communities, Biden becomes incredibly coherent. Enough to write many, many pages of laws making sure that the government is there to put people in cages for things ranging from weed possession to helping immigrants cross the border.

          I have been assured that Trump is the only dangerous, racist, law and order candidate though.

            1. He was just reading off the AP style guide.

            2. It’s good to finally hear straight from the horse’s mouth that the top Democrat, who they believe should be the most powerful person on earth, believes that all black people are basically the same. Somehow I keep getting told that individualism is racist, despite the fact that this attitude, that is now dominant, is anti-racist. The only way I can possibly read this is that there is a huge portion of the population that doesn’t understand what the preposition “anti” means.

              1. “Biden told NPR’s Lulu Garcia-Navarro: “Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things. You go to Florida, and you find a very different attitude about immigration in certain places than you do when you’re in Arizona.””

                Ok, there’s the actual quote from the link.

                There is a point to be made about diversity within the Latino community; the term Latino covers the entire South American continent, plus the multiple Caribbean nations, US territories like Puerto Rico, all of Central America, Mexico, plus communities of their descendants, including those in the American Southwest where “the border crossed them.” It’s a very large and heterogeneous group that the term refers to, including groups who are also of African descent. It’s vast and one would expect there to be a vast range of experiences and perspectives. That’s a reasonable point to make.

                “Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions,” is definitely a Bidenized phrasing. It *sounds like* he’s trying to say that the African American community is somewhat heterogeneous but less so than the Latino community. It’s not appropriate to compare groups any more, I think people used to do it all the time though, up to maybe five years ago. If he wanted to make a point about Latino diversity he could just make that point without bringing African Americans into it. “The Black community” often is seen as a monolith and invoked as a monolith and that’s inaccurate, and it’s also seen as the template for all other group structures in the US, which is also biased and limiting.
                So “with notable exceptions,” it’s like the “and some of them are very good people” clause. But does Biden think the “black community” is entirely uniform on every metric, no, I don’t think he does. “With notable exceptions” means he recognizes there is some heterogeneity within the Black community. The country doesn’t have a very strong vocabulary for talking about difference period, let alone within racialized groups.

                Is the article about mistakenly considering the Black community monolithic, yes. Is it entirely fair to say “this is like what Biden thinks,” I don’t think it is.

                1. Care to link to that supposed quote? I did not see it in the ‘realclearpoltics’ link.
                  And to be honest, it sounds both too coherent to be from the mouth of Biden and entirely too clever; including Latinos from other nations is pushing those goal posts far enough to give SF the ’20 Super Bowl win.

                2. Nice job at shining shit. After his you ain’t black statement, his out you back in chains statements,his first articulate black candidate statement, his praise of Dixiecrats etc you really don’t think this isn’t how he really thinks? If you don’t,boy do I have great investment in oven front property for you in Arizona.

                3. I think the proper term is LatinX now, so as not to categorize anyone but to help them to self identify as whatever Latin culture/mix/country/language/or culture fluent blend they choose.

            3. I think we can all agree that Corn Pop is the quintessential African American.

        2. I’m assuming it was heavily edited to remove the incoherent rambling, mis-pronunciations, and stumbling over words.

        3. *too.

          Your response wasn’t coherent otherwise.

    2. If you look at the photo, they’re nearly all White. Not sure about that one guy though. He could be Italian.

      1. Yes, the protestors are all White Liberal Snowflakes.

  6. I swear to god Trump really couldn’t have a better set of fucking enemies. They are monumentally retarded.

    1. Everyone says it is impossible for Trump to win a significant share of the black vote. It still may be, but Antifa and BLM are certainly doing everything they can to help him do so.

      Trump is amazingly lucky in his enemies.

    2. Who know a hamburger eating, ketchup on steak loving person had more in common with the masses than a caviar cocktail loving leftist.

      1. Don’t think for a second Trump doesn’t wish he knew the difference between sophisticated and slovenly. It’s the fact that he tries and fails so hard to fit in with actual rich people that drives him nuts.

        1. “Don’t think for a second Trump doesn’t wish he knew the difference between sophisticated and slovenly. It’s the fact that he tries and fails so hard to fit in with actual rich people that drives him nuts.”

          You don’t have to ask if some scumbag is a victim of TDS; like all religious fundies, they’ll tell you without prompting.
          Which lefty shitbag is now trying to hide under a new sock?

        2. It’s the fact that he tries and fails so hard to fit in with actual rich people that drives him nuts.

          Trump’s family has been hated by the upper crust and the elite for a couple of generations; they don’t give a f*ck.

          And good for them. The “actual rich people” you are talking about, the Gates and Soroses and Obamas of this world, with their billions and their PR firms and their charitable foundations, are really a bunch of rather unpleasant people.

  7. And in other news, looks like it’s time for another donation to the NRA. Just as black Americans are figuring out what the 2A is, it’s biggest champion is going to be dissolved by New York. Political? Naw.

    1. Cant’ wait to hear how the usual crew of people defend NY going after the NRA.

      1. I can’t wait to hear how many more middle class NY tax cattle flee to other states after they go after the NRA.

    2. The New York AG says that top NRA officials misused funds to such a degree that the entire organization should be dissolved. Understand using charitable funds for personal purposes, which is what is alleged, is a crime that carries serious prison time. So, we are expected to believe that the NY AG has passed up a chance to send Wayne La Pierre to prison and out of kindness or something is just going after the organization.

      Yeah, that sounds legit.

      1. I wonder about the “charitable funds” part. Donations to the NRA are not tax deductible… they are some flavor of non-profit that not many people know about. Also, dissolving an organization of… how many million?… over alleged abuse of his expense account by one of the Executive VPs seems harsh. People think LaPierre is the CEO or something. He’s not. He’s the public face.

        1. They are not a charitable organization. They are a political organization. My misstatement. Regardless, the officers have a duty not to use the funds for personal purposes. If what the AG is claiming here were true, he could charge them with fraud. The fact that he hasn’t tells you all you need to know about the validity of his case.

          1. Agreed. But, she/her. Whoops! Wait! Maybe I’m illegally assuming the AGs pronouns.

            1. Science is science.

      2. If NY were serious about that, they’d be going after the AFGE and various other Unions. But no, they’re going after NY Political Enemy #1 instead.

      3. The NRA is based in Virginia, how can a New York AG disband a Virginia based national organization?

        1. New York has so many unique and ridiculous rules that most companies, and all charities set up separate legal units for just NY.
          I have worked for insurance companies that actually had distinct programs for processing both policies and claims from NY, the rules were that different from the real world.
          And yet, somehow, it was worth the extra expense to be in that market.
          (NRA is a Delaware corporation)

          1. Headquarters in Fairfax, VA.

      4. SPLC should be the most nervous at this point. I’d say the Clinton Foundation.. but we know how that is.

    3. Same thing happened to the Black Panthers back in ’69 in California. They literally marched on the state house with guns. Peaceful protest similar to hmmmm…..Michigan?
      Anyway, we saw what happened to that organization, which was on the right path initially with its policing of the police in a non-violent, observational capacity. What followed was build up of community, feeding and caring for children and less crime.
      What followed that was the FBI’s interference and the natural progression of an organization where the leader becomes the message – Good, bad or way too radical.
      Implosion soon followed…

      1. What also followed was the Panthers murdering employees they didn’t like.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Betty_Van_Patter

        Last I looked the NRA wasn’t murdering anyone.

        1. Yes, as with all organizations, someone had to be in charge or take control of the idea. For the Panthers, it was Huey Newton’s radical leaning more than the more conservative Bobby Seale. Unfortunately, it led to the kinds of ideas you talk about. Coupled with the FBI’s infiltration the altruistic side died easily and turned into chaos.

      2. Also don’t forget they so scared the shit out of Governor Reagan that he banned open carry. The hidden history of the Gun Movement is that they didn’t want Blacks to have guns.

        1. Yup exactly. That was what followed in CA.

        2. This has always been part of the motive of the gun control movement. The first gun control law to be successfully defended under the it only applies to militia argument was made in front of the Arkansas supreme court in defense of a law that forbid free blacks, Indians and immigrants from owning guns. Jim Crow laws also focused on banning freed blacks, immigrants and other “undesirable” groups from owning guns.

          1. The NRA successfully sued the state of Texas several decades ago because they were disproportionately turning down blacks who applied for permits.

          2. By the democrats, General. Don’t forget it was by the democrats.

            1. Not to mention in shall issue states (most of whom are Democratically controlled) several studies have demonstrated that poorer individual, even with just cause, are denied disproportionately, and that this impacts minority communities the most, as they tend to be less well off. They also show that wealthier individuals get permits more easily and generally for flimsier justifications.

    4. I’m just a flyover rube so I’m not thoroughly informed about NY politics, but it seems like there is always corruption there and it never comes out because someone like the AG is “investigating it”. It’s always like “oops, the entire country knows about this now…well I guess we better do something”

      So color me skeptical that all of NY politics is suddenly pure as the driven snow and that’s why they’re going out of their way to find the few bad apples left.

  8. Yeah, but all you have to do is minimize civilian law enforcement in the US and the socialist revolution will have no barriers!

    They want to defund police, they just don’t know it yet.

    1. Oh, and by the way, they’re lying little cunts. I predicted that any ‘defunding’ of the police would be an accounting game, and that’s exactly what they’re doing.

      1. Sure it is. And that is even dumber than really doing it. Had they done it, they could at least claim the loyalty of the morons supporting it. By pretending to do it, they buy just as much ill will from the public as they would have had they really done it, and even the morons demanding the end of the police department are smart enough to notice the police department still existing and cops still around getting paid and arresting people. Their choice is the worst of all the possible options.

        1. Ah, but actually doing it would mean the politicians have no recourse when the angry mob shows up outside their house. This being Seattle, that will always happen regardless of what the politicians do because Seattle is populated by petulant manchildren whose response to everything in life is to throw a temper tantrum. If you don’t get what you want, just be louder and more aggressive until you do.

          These politicians are quite dumb, but even they aren’t quite dumb enough to effectively commit suicide by “peaceful protest”.

          1. “petulant manchildren”

            Sexist phrase, insulting and hurtful to real men. Go ban yourself.

            1. good band name though

            2. My bad, it is also populated by bitchy landwhales.

              Better?

          2. “Ah, but actually doing it would mean the politicians have no recourse when the angry mob shows up outside their house…”

            The Seattle pols ran out of money for hiring G4S, Pinkerton, Blackwater/Xe or whatever it’s calling itself now?

            Shoot, it’d be silly to rely on the cops to save them, after they’d spent the last three months shitting all over them.

            1. Paying for a service goes against everything they stand for.

        2. even the morons demanding the end of the police department are smart enough to notice the police department still existing and cops still around getting paid and arresting people.

          I’m not too sure about that. Maybe they’ll notice eventually but probably not until well after the next election, which is as far into the future as politicians care to look.

    2. Seattle resident overwhelmingly are opposed to defunding the police.

  9. My version of the headline: 81 percent of black Americans are more sane and rational than the far left wing fake libertarian white scumbags who make up most of the staff at Reason.

    1. Why did you leave Shikha out?

  10. “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”

    1. Lemme take a stab at what’s offensive besides “Siamese Twin Galaxies” and “Eskimo Nebula.”

      Brown dwarf? Now Little Proto-star of Color.
      White dwarf? Now Little Star of Fragility.
      Little Dipper? Now Differently Sized Fluid Transfer Device.

    2. Refreshing to see that most of the few positive reactions are from people who liked the picture and didn’t seem to even read the text.

    3. NASA: That’s one small step toward wokeness, one giant leap toward irrelevancy.

  11. Good photo. I guess now we know why Robby hasn’t written many articles lately

    But I kid, most of these protesters make Robby seem like Ron Swanson.

  12. Most other Black Americans (41%) say they sometimes see police in their area, matching the national average, while another 27% say they rarely or never see them.

    I see police in my neighborhood with the same degree of frequency my black and Asian neighbors who love across the street see them. Know why?

    Because this a class issue, not a race issue.

    1. Also wonder how much it is a rural vs urban divide. My town (and most town in my county) don’t have a regular police force. The town’s contract with the Sheriff’s department to provide law enforcement and code enforcement. However, the sheriff’s department is fairly small and my county extremely large. Also, crime, especially violent crime is much greater problem on the reservation, and so the sheriff’s department has an agreement that one deputy will always be patrolling one particular reservation town. This town has its own police force, tribal and sheriff’s patrolling, but it accounts for over half of all crime in our county. As a result, we can go days without a Sheriff’s deputy patrolling or highway patrol passing through our town (despite being a junction between two fairly large highways in our part of the state). Growing up, my hometown only had one part time police officer and we relied on Sheriff’s department or, if you were tribal, the BIA and then Tribal police.

    2. Because this a class issue, not a race issue.

      ^ White Fragility.

  13. What Blacks want: For police to stop treating them badly. To not fear for their life during a routine traffic stop.

    What White Wokes want: To abolish and defund the police. To have Black praise them for being concerned.

    Look at the attached picture. Notice how White it is. It’s whiter than the mayo on my white bread. Defund the police is 99% a movement of White people trying to demonstrate their concern by replacing Black concerns with their own political agenda. “Look at me, I’m concerned! Give me a medal!”

    Quite frankly, it’s disgusting. Some of the most selfish people on the planet, you can’t see the problems Blacks face without making it all about themselves. Whenever they see Black marching they never join in, they just push the Blacks aside to start the own parade. Always with at least one token Black so they can say “we stand with you, token member of our tribe”.

    1. It’s not praise the white wokes want. They have figured out that racial issues are the one thing that are so sensitive that they can make push back to it a reason to ex-communicate people. Law-enforcement and military are the only two institutions left standing that the far left hasn’t co-opted yet. They will use racial issues as an excuse to gut these institutions from their current wrong-think occupants (not wrong for being racist, but wrong for being not-Marxist) and replace them with those friendly to the revolution. As with any time that authoritarians/totalitarians get their way, the very first people that are lined up against the wall are the people that they used to ascend the throne.

  14. BTW, while the polls are good for extra evidence, we saw what happened when NYC dropped the ‘anti-crime’ units from the neighborhood, black civic organizations demanded them back.

    Left-wing activists really can take a good idea (getting the police to de-escalate violent situations, hold police accountable for their actions by de-clawing the unions, eliminating or dramatically scaling back qualified immunity) and turn it into complete retardation.

    1. It is not just NYC, a number of black leaders in cities like Chicago, Atlanta and Minneapolis have also voiced displeasure with the way their cities have responded to the protests by pulling back the police. If Trump were smart he would run ads in these areas focusing on this and Biden’s fairly openly racist remarks. And then close by asking the question “what have the Democrats down for you?”.

  15. https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/06/cmon-man-wapo-fact-checker-glenn-kessler-spins-hard-for-joe-biden-after-latest-racist-gaffe/

    Let’s see … here’s what Joe Biden said, verbatim:

    “What you all know, but most people don’t know, unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community, with incredibly different attitudes about different things”?

    1. https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/08/06/more-racist-than-anything-trump-has-ever-said-joe-biden-says-all-black-people-think-alike-in-newest-interview-watch/

      Just so we’re clear, what Joe Biden said in this 15 second video is more racist than anything Donald Trump has ever said in his life. Ever. It’s not even close.

      If a Republican or corporate CEO said this, he’d have been forced to resign before lunch today.

    2. I don’t see anything about the Jews in there.

      1. Give him a break, with his memory fading it’s hard to remember all the people he wants to say shitty things about.

  16. Nice picture to go along with this. I think I see maybe 3, at most, black people in that entire crowd with the rest being almost entirely white 20-somethings. Go figure.

  17. Black Americans’ reported exposure to local police is slightly above the national average, with 32% saying they see the police often or very often in their neighborhood. This compares with 22% of White Americans and 21% of Asian Americans. Hispanic Americans’ experience is similar to that of Black Americans, with 28% often seeing police where they live.

    “Often” is an adjective, not a number. This is a subjective question, not an objective one. I see police often in my very white neighborhood (daily). I think the officer lives here based on the police cruiser parked out front.

    Yes, there’s problems. This survey doesn’t help for comparisons of policing.

  18. Why in the world did the pollsters actually ask black people what they want?
    Just ask the white socialists, who know much better than blacks what blacks ought to want.
    That’s what the democrats do.

    1. Yup, pretty much. If I want to know what most Blacks think about a given issue, all I need to do is ask a White Leftie.

      That Blacks haven’t left the Democratic Party en masse is crazy. But I do notice that man aren’t bothering to get out and vote. It’s the perfect opportunity for the GOP to think about some outreach. Maybe get onboard with justice reform or fixing (not eliminating) the police.

      1. There is a Blexit movement that talks about leaving the Dems. Interesting, 50 years plus of policy, same result…

    2. My progressive cousin, whenever he brings up stuff like defund the police and disparate killing of blacks by cops never has an answer when I point this out. He has admitted that the DoJ crime statistics did not mesh with his perception of police brutality. He did admit that this tends to happen in cities that have been Democratically controlled for decades, and that these cities tend to have more segregated schools and a bigger gap in education accomplishments (after I showed him the statistics). He did admit that he was mistaken that blacks have a harder time getting into college and are under represented at universities (after he cited a slanted The Atlantic article to back up his claim and I pointed out it was a selective article and showed him the actual DoE statistics on University attendance by ethnicity, which demonstrates whites are underrepresented, when compared to their share of the population and they are the only ethnic group that this is true for). But he hasn’t made the leap yet to understanding that much of the narrative is falsely driven and that the Great Society programs that were supposed to help poor, especially minorities, have actually made things worse. Shrug.

  19. No shit. Never ask a white liberal what the truth is.

  20. “81 Percent of Black Americans Want the Same Level, or More, of Police Presence: Gallup”

    Could just as easily and just as honestly be:

    80 Percent of Black Americans Want the Same Level, or Less, of Police Presence: Gallup

  21. Well, as any True Believer of a Progressive Democrat would point out…. “Obviously, 81% of Black Americans don’t know what’s good for them!”

    Gosh…that sounds racist doesn’t it?

    But that is, in fact, the mantra of the Progressive Left: they know best what’s best for EVERYBODY.

    It doesn’t matter that the majority of Native Americans either don’t care or like & support the use of American Indian names and nicknames on sports teams. They’re simply not Woke enough. It doesn’t matter that the high crime rates within the Black community prompt the vast majority of its residents to prefer a strong police presence — they just don’t know how wrong they are.

    Common sense — to the Woke Leftist — doesn’t matter. Or rather, it matters only as an example of what NOT to do. Common sense says police help to deter criminal behavior. Common sense says that killing an unborn child is murder. Common sense says that Quality trumps Diversity & Inclusivity every day of the week in every way that matters. Common sense says there is no such thing as ‘racial justice’, ‘social justice’, ‘sexual justice’…..there is only justice as administered by the law and God. But if you’re Woke all those commonsensical truths are absolutely wrong.

    Of course that’s what Woke Totalitarianism is always all about: the all-knowing elite telling everyone else how to live their Best Possible Lives.

    “No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves (Native Americans…Black Americans….White Americans….Men…Women,…et al). But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”

    God save us from those with such mandated good intentions!

  22. Black people well know what is obvious from looking at crime statistics. The greatest threat to their safety is black-on-black violence, and they need the protection and help of law enforcement. Because crime rates are higher in less affluent black neighborhoods, I would expect them to respond this way.

  23. I made this point weeks ago, in that we’ve already seen this occur. There was a push to keep cops out of black neighborhoods, at the request of ‘community leaders’, and then when crime spiked suddenly they changed their tune.

    It happens over and over again, let no one ever seems to learn the lesson that it’s not the enforcement it’s the expansion of rules that carry prison time themselves. And anything that’s a ‘fine’ almost always comes ‘or prison time’ and you can bet the prison time punishment only applies to poor people.

  24. Damn, Asians. Respect for your criminal mindset.

    1. “Damn, Asians. Respect for your criminal mindset.”

      Damn fucking lefty ignoramus; no respect.
      Fuck off and die.

  25. Gee, imagine that, the people who have a greater chance of getting killed, mugged, or raped prefer more cops around them.

    The commies at BLM, the Dems, the progressives, the Libertarians, the rich whites and blacks who are not affected by daily violence want to neuter the police.

    I will go with the people who are actually at risk of violence in their daily lives as to how much policing they need.

    The do-gooders who are safe in the lily-white neighborhoods, or who have armed protection daily, or who live in gated communities really have no idea what some people have to deal with on a daily basis.

  26. “In 2011, when Camden was in a fiscal crisis, the state threatened huge layoffs to the police force unless the union made major concessions to the contract. The union refused, and nearly half of the department was laid off. Over the next two years, the Republican governor, Chris Christie, worked with Democrats in the county and city governments to disband the city Police Department and start a new county force.

    In 2013, everyone in the city Police Department had to reapply for a new job. But about 50 hard-line union folks decided not to reapply. They encouraged people to follow them so that a county force couldn’t be formed. Fortunately, most officers did not follow the union advice. Even more fortunately, these 50 folks who were the impediment to change selected themselves out of the hiring process. I was able to accomplish in three days what I couldn’t in three years. That allowed me to reset the culture.

    Camden is not a utopia. There are still huge social inequities there, and before I left last year, we fired and prosecuted a cop for excessive force. But it’s far less violent. Homicides have fallen by more than 50 percent, and the rate for solving them is more than 60 percent, because people are more willing to trust and talk to the police.” – Scott Thomson, former Camden, NJ police chief, describing the path the police department took toward police reform and accountability

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/13/magazine/police-reform.html

    Also:

    “Bazelon: In a 2016 survey by the Pew Research Center, black people were much less likely than white people to say that the police do an excellent or good job. Yet in a 2019 survey for Vox, they were almost as likely to support hiring more officers. Maybe that’s partly because they don’t see the government providing other resources for making their neighborhoods safe. But it seems really important to think carefully about how change should happen.

    Goff: Imagine that you have a tool chest for solving social problems. It gives you options. Then you lose the tool of mental-health resources. You lose the tool of public education. They take out the tool of job placement. And then all you’ve got left is this one rusty hammer. That’s policing. Right now, the only money flowing into some black communities is law-enforcement money. There are many black activists doing this the right way. But there are also a bunch of white people saying, “Let’s defund the police,” because they like the police as an enemy, but then when it comes to investing in black communities, they are silent.

    Simply defunding the police cannot be a legacy of this moment. I want to hear about investing in black communities more than I want to hear about defunding.”

    1. “Goff: Imagine that you have a tool chest for solving social problems. It gives you options. Then you lose the tool of mental-health resources. You lose the tool of public education. They take out the tool of job placement. And then all you’ve got left is this one rusty hammer. That’s policing. Right now, the only money flowing into some black communities is law-enforcement money. There are many black activists doing this the right way. But there are also a bunch of white people saying, “Let’s defund the police,” because they like the police as an enemy, but then when it comes to investing in black communities, they are silent.
      Simply defunding the police cannot be a legacy of this moment. I want to hear about investing in black communities more than I want to hear about defunding.”

      So give us free shit? What a novel concept!

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  29. 81% of Black Americans must be high on fentanyl, (or some other “mental illness”).

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