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Touching Your Phone While Driving Is Now Illegal in Idaho, Illinois, and Indiana

Plus: More (bad, weird, and occasionally good) new state laws that start taking effect today.

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As Americans celebrate Independence Day this week, state authorities will be armed with all sorts of new ways to restrict our liberty and control us. This includes several states starting to crack down on any cellphone use while driving—and giving police a new pretense for pulling people over.

One such place is Illinois, where it's now illegal for drivers to so much as touch a cellphone, laptop, or tablet while driving. The state has also started to ban drivers from streaming any videos, and from smoking cigarettes in a vehicle if there's someone under age 18 in it.

Idaho, too, will ban drivers from using cellphones or any other handheld devices, including when they're stopped at a traffic light or stop sign, starting today.

Similarly, in Indiana, touching a phone while driving is now off-limits. "You can however make phone calls using a hands free device, or there will be exceptions for calling 911 in an actual emergency situation," notes WOMI.

In South Dakota, drivers are now banned from using their phones for anything other than talking—and cops can pull over people if they think they see them looking at a phone. (What could go wrong?)

"Texting and driving already was a secondary offense in South Dakota, meaning a driver had to be pulled over for another reason in order to be ticketed," notes the Sioux Falls Argus Leader. "But the new state law expands banned uses to include taking photos, using the internet, posting to social media, reading emails and using phone apps, and makes it a primary offense, meaning drivers can be pulled over for only using a cell phone." The offense is classified as a Class 2 misdemeanor.

South Dakota is also making it a Class 2 misdemeanor offense to join a funeral procession you don't belong to.

Bad new laws taking effect today extend far beyond the roadways. For instance, new restrictions on buying vaping products, cigarettes, and firearms are also in order.

THE BAD

New vaping and smoking laws in Indiana. The state has more than 100 new rules taking effect today, including raising the legal age to purchase tobacco or vape products to 21, doubling the fine for people who sell these products to people under age 21, and banning new stores that sell tobacco from setting up shop within 1,000 feet of any school.

More gun regulations and higher tobacco taxes in Virginia. The state is launching a range of new gun regulations July 1, including banning the buying of more than one firearm in 30-day time span, requiring a background check for all gun purchases, and "allowing attorneys and law enforcement officers to apply for emergency orders to prohibit a person who poses a substantial risk of injury to himself or others from purchasing, possessing or transporting a firearm," explains Fairfax County's website.

The state is also raising taxes on cigarettes (from 30 to 60 cents per pack) and creating a new tax of 6.6 cents per milliliter of vape fluid.

Tax and fee increases are also coming, as are regulations that will burden small businesses still reeling from the COVID-19 lockdowns.

For instance, in California, 13 places—including both large cities (like San Francisco and Los Angeles) and smaller ones—will see minimum wage increases today, raising the rate for any business with one to 25 employees to between $13 and $15.40 per hour. Minimum wage hikes will be higher for bigger businesses and for hotels of any size.

California will also start requiring businesses whose independent contractors were recently redefined as employees to start carrying worker's compensation insurance on them.

Utah, meanwhile, is raising fees on people who bring in boats from out of state.

And authorities all over have cooked up a range of new ways to limit people's civil liberties, impede due process, and exact revenge on violators.

Sex-crime panic in Colorado. "Use or dissemination of a recording or photo without consent" will now trigger a requirement that someone be added to the state's sex offender registry. Meanwhile, paying for sex with someone under age 18 is now enough to be convicted of human trafficking. The state's new human trafficking law also stipulates that not knowing a minor's age is no defense.

Panhandling ban in Indiana. The state is making asking for money within 50 feet of an ATM, public monument, or business entrance a crime. (The American Civil Liberties Union is already suing.)

Illegal gambling expansion in Virginia. The state is widening its definition of illegal gambling to include "the playing or offering for play of any skill game."

Tennessee ratchets up penalties for already dubious crimes. "A new law passed this year cracking down on those who flee an arrest," reports 1057 News. "The measure requires an offender evading arrest to pay restitution if he or she recklessly damages government property."

THE GOOD

But there's some good news in this batch of July 1 law changes, too.

Virginia is decriminalizing marijuana, dropping mandatory minimums for license lawbreakers, stopping collection of marriage/race data, letting nurse practitioners perform abortions, ditching their ultrasound law, and extending absentee voting. In a report on the July 1 changes, the state explains that simple marijuana possession under the new law "provides a civil penalty of no more than $25," whereas the old law "imposes a maximum fine of $500 and a maximum 30-day jail sentence for a first offense, and subsequent offenses are a Class 1 misdemeanor." People in Virginia can also administer naloxone to someone who is overdosing without getting in trouble.

The state will also start:

  • "eliminat[ing] the mandatory minimum term of confinement in jail of 10 days for a third or subsequent conviction of driving on a suspended license"
  • removing a requirement that requires race to be listed on marriage and divorce reports
  • letting nurse practitioners perform first-trimester abortions

It is also eliminating a requirement that a woman seeking an abortion get an ultrasound before offering informed written consent.

In addition, Virginia will extend "no-excuse absentee voting" to a 45-day period. And it will start letting localities make their own decisions about monuments on public property.

Educator licensing simplified in Oklahoma. The state is making it easier for teachers licensed in another state to obtain a teaching certificate in Oklahoma.

Indiana waives gun fees. The state is extending the period of time its gun licenses are good for from four to five years and waiving all state and local fees associated with gun licensing except for fingerprinting costs.

Beer in barbershops. Maryland will start letting barbershops and beauty salons serve beer and wine on premises during business hours.

Florida takes steps toward school choice and more humane treatment of prisoners. Florida is expanding tax credits and scholarship programs for private schools, as well as making some makes small attempts to better protect pregnant women who are incarcerated. (The law, however, still "maintains current provisions related to the use of restraints on pregnant prisoners" and allows for these restraints, and body cavity searches, so long as facilities have written policies pertaining to them.)

South Dakota loosens voter ID law, protects sexual assault evidence, and limits the criminalization of addiction during pregnancy. The state will start letting people use forms of ID other than a driver's license to register to vote. In addition, DNA evidence collected in sexual assault investigations will have to be kept longer, up from one year to at least seven years, or until the victim reaches the age of 25. And "certain controlled substances offenses shall be dropped for a woman who is pregnant if she: receives adequate prenatal care from a licensed health care professional during her pregnancy; enrolls in an addiction recovery program before the child is born, remains in the program after the birth and completes the addiction recovery program," notes the Argus Leader.

Tennessee takes a step toward deregulating health care: "State lawmakers voted this year to expand Tennessee's Health Care Empowerment Act to allow all licensed medical professionals, instead of only physicians, to use direct medical care agreements without regulation by the insurance laws of this state," notes 1057 News. "The Health Care Empowerment Act is designed to give healthcare consumers who are struggling to pay the increasing costs of premiums or who have been priced out of the market, an affordable option to contract directly with their physician for health care services. The new law holds that a person seeking medical care outside of an insurance plan, TennCare or Medicare programs and chooses to pay out of pocket, does not forfeit their coverage plan."

THE WEIRD

Defying the good/bad binary are a few laws that are just plain weird or amusing. For instance, "Hoosier employers will no longer be able to force potential employees to get microchips implanted into their bodies," notes RTV6 Indianapolis.

A Florida law taking effect today "aims to crack down on the abuse of emotional support animal certifications."

Tennessee will start allowing sidewalk robots, so as long as they don't travel at a speed greater than 10 miles per hour.

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352 responses to “Touching Your Phone While Driving Is Now Illegal in Idaho, Illinois, and Indiana

  1. “ouching Your Phone While Driving Is Now Illegal in Idaho, Illinois, and Indiana”

    Luckily I don’t live in a state that starts with “I”.

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    2. Hello.

      Jesus, Fist. Now Tom is beating you. You’re acting like the Penguins of the 70s.

      WEAR DA MASK:

      https://twitter.com/chadkanera/status/1277681363597000704

      1. It’s time to pass the torch but I’m not sure anyone has shown they have staying power yet.

        1. I already shot my load.

          1. I’m killing it downstream. I should come in late every day. You can say anything without fear of getting canceled because no one reads your stuff down there.

            1. Meh.

            2. To be fair, no one reads your stuff up here either

              1. Fuck off, Buttplug.

                1. Suck your mom’s juice off my dick peanut.

                  1. You couldn’t fuck an ant with your pseudo-clitoris you fat, dishonest fuck.

            3. You see those little vertical dashed lines to the left?
              They allow a lot of bullshit to get skipped as soon as the handle is read.

    3. I’m sure it makes me a “bootlicker”, like voluntarily wearing a mask, but I think hands-free cell phone laws are a good thing.

      In Libertopia, where all the roads are privately owned, you know what one of the first rules the private companies would put in place would be? No using a hand-held phone while driving on our roads. They’d make you use turn signals, too.

      I’ve seen LOTS of accidents caused by someone futzing around with their phone while they should be paying attention to the road.

      1. Does it come naturally to you to mix voluntary actions with government mandates?

        1. In this particular case, I’m plainly saying I think there *should* be a government mandate (a law) that people not use hand-held phones while driving.

          1. Yes and you’re being mocked for it retard.

      2. You sound retarded.

      3. You’ve seen lots of them? Where do you live? Mr.Magooville?

        1. Yes, Mr. Magooville.

          1. gottem

            1. Ahahah you said “gottem” about your own post WHEN YOU DIDN’T GET HIM AHAAHAHAH

              THAT’S PEAK LOSER AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

            2. Why are you replying to your sock like we don’t know its your sock?

            3. Honestly, I didn’t think I “gotten”. My reply was kinda weak, but I couldn’t think of anything better.

              1. You’re learning the De Oppresso Loser is a dipshit!

                1. Nah, he’s fine.

                  Tulpa, on the other hand…

      4. >>I’ve seen LOTS of accidents caused by someone futzing around with their phone while they should be paying attention to the road.

        stop causing accidents by futzing around on your phone dude

        1. I, sir, have that amazing Apple technology, Siri, which always works perfectly and never mishears every f’ing command I give it.

      5. If they are going to have these hands free phone laws than the penalties for violating them should be commensurate, the same as DUI, which it is, just electronic instead of chemical. These piddling little fines tell me they don’t take it serious. If you are looking at thousands of dollars in fines, suspended license and possible jail time then you would think twice before you pick up that phone.

        I don’t understand why so many people still have to hold the phone to their face, when they are in a newer, high end vehicle I know that hands free is available (not to mention text to voice is available in newer cars as well). Even my cheap Sonata has it.

    4. The feds push this shit if a state wants to keep federal highway funds.

    5. “One such place is Illinois, where it’s now illegal for drivers to so much as touch a cellphone, laptop, or tablet while driving.”

      Oooooh! Does this mean the cops will stop playing with their fucking dash laptops while driving now?

      “The state is widening its definition of illegal gambling to include “the playing or offering for play of any skill game.” ”

      Goddamnit, people are *still* trying to ban Dungeons and Dragons?

  2. On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare
    https://quillette.com/2020/06/30/on-behalf-of-environmentalists-i-apologize-for-the-climate-scare/

    On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem. I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.

    But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as expert reviewer of its next assessment report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.

    Here are some facts few people know:

    Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”

    The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”

    Climate change is not making natural disasters worse

    Fires have declined 25 percent around the world since 2003

    The amount of land we use for meat—humankind’s biggest use of land—has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska

    The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California

    Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s

    The Netherlands became rich, not poor while adapting to life below sea level

    We produce 25 percent more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter

    Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change

    Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels

    Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture

    1. Lot of red pills going around these days.

      I wonder what his last straw was?

      1. He said his daughter told him how scared she was about the end of the world. That’s when he got the balls to stop lying. Can you believe it?

      2. It was the realization that scaring people about viruses is a much faster and more effective tool to ensuring people are willing to bend over for the communist revolution.

    2. Damn AOC is so crazy she changed the mind of a Sandinista.

      1. She basically said the other day ‘any means necessary’ regarding whatever it is these mental cases want.

        Good job Queens/Bronx. You had a chance to get rid of her. Now take that double anal style good and hard as you deserve.

        1. She basically said the other day ‘any means necessary’ regarding whatever it is these mental cases want.

          No, not calling for literal dictatorship at all.

      2. No, it’s just that her useless generation was raised by Boomers and Gen-Xers with low-future time orientation and a sense of entitlement the size of the Grand Canyon. Now they think anything that will get them their dopamine rush is justified.

    3. And this is the problem with a large force on the left these days. It isnt that they are spewing bullshit. It is that they are knowingly spewing bullshit as a means to gain power.

      Good for this guy for becoming honest. But fuck him for the last 30 years he knowingly and self admiringly spewed bullshit.

      It also shows why activism in high school is dangerous. This guy started at age 16 in high school.

      1. Yeah, but how did he get so radicalized to begin with? Did he have hippie-fuck parents who scared him into thinking the world was going to burn up if they didn’t close the hole in the ozone layer? Was it a radical-left school teacher that substituted indoctrination into left-wing shibboleths in place of critical thinking? Or was it some scare-mongering TV show like a PBS Nova special that talked about how the rain forests were getting burned down?

        You don’t get radicalized at 16 without being influenced by some external source. Usually, when you dig beneath the surface, these beliefs have their roots in either the current school system or mass media.

        1. Like most 16 year olds, it was 5’6” and had breast, and was willing to talk to him.

          1. That *does* explain my lack of radicalization…

    4. So he’s awfully sorry he went along with climate alarmism when it was making him friends and getting him funding. But now that he is selling an anti-alarmism book, he has has suddenly seen the error of his ways and wrote this article that is totally not just an ad for the book.

      1. Thank you for that completely useless interjection.

        1. A completely useless interjection that nails it.

          1. Yes great job telling everyone what they already knew.

            Hizzah.

            1. Piss off. Go be bitter about heresy somewhere else.

              1. The problem with stealing a pariah’s identity is that everyone still treats you like you are the pariah.

                1. Or maybe that’s the goal peanut.

                  1. You’re obsessed with peanuts.

                    1. Which is creepy because he’s a pedophile.

    5. Thanks for linking this, I picked up the kindle version of his book.

      I haven’t read his past works, but he seems credible and the criticism of him seems to bolster his credibility. (When all that sierra club and green peace execs can level at you is accusations of being unfair to poor, non-white people, you know they can’t criticize the data/conclusions.)

      I was extremely skeptical of global warming until I started diving a lot. I saw a lot of damaged or dying reefs, and a few completely dead reefs surrounding whole islands. The pattern seemed to be the same nearly everywhere in the pacific. The papers I read on it all seemed to blame climate change driving various mechanisms of action that hurt reefs, whether direct temperature changes or”acidification” driven indirectly by climate change.

      What makes you find this guy more credible to you over the rest of environmentalists/climate scientists?

      1. The dude literally just said he was lying for 30 years. What part is credible?

        He is worth listening to as far as tactics, but he literally just admitted he spent a lifetime of said tactics.

        1. Marxists appreciate people who will lie for a cause.

        2. Maybe we should all read the book and find out. I’m willing to do a little libertarian book club.

          1. You’re not a libertarian, Marxist Jeffy.

  3. Similarly, in Indiana, touching a phone yourself while driving is now off-limits.

    Oh how I long for the good old days.

    1. I saw a bumpersticker once that read “I’d Rather Be Spanking The Monkey”.

      1. My favorite bumper sticker (on a tricked-out Jeep):
        My Other Toy Has Tits

        1. I once saw a license plate frame, in solid bronze, that said “My other car is a Rolls Royce”; it was on a best in show winner Rolls-Royce Phantom II at a classic car show.

  4. Sheriff Warns LA County Cuts Will Eliminate Sexual Assault Investigations Unit
    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/30/la-county-sheriff-defund-budget-cuts-sexual-assault-rape-unit/

    But he warned support of the defunding plan would result in the elimination of four investigative LASD bureaus, including the Special Victims Bureau, investigates physical abuse, sexual abuse and rape against women and children.

    Three other detective bureaus would also be cut: Operation Safe Streets, which investigates gang-related crimes; Fraud and Cyber Crimes Bureau, which investigates crimes committed online and various forms of fraud, including identity theft, real estate fraud and wire fraud; and Major Crimes Bureau, which specializes in investigating kidnapping for ransom, illegal medical practices, extortion, and other crimes.

    1. That’s okay. Right now the victim status for women has gone way down, while the racial victim status has sky-rocketed.

      We need a futures market for intersectionality.

      1. Yeah, I’m pretty sure the recent SCOTUS ruling means sexual assault investigations violate the 14A. You can’t prosecute a man or a lesbian who assaults a woman differently that you would prosecute another woman or a gay man.

        PIV assault = Fist-to-Nose assault. Kinky!

    2. So you are going to stop investigating actual crimes against others, you communist shitstain? Why can’t it be the vice and patrol units? Too much money in asset forfeiture? Or is it because the only cases you can close are the ones where people incriminate themselves?

      1. This is exactly what I thought.

    3. Defund the police movement is based on rape culture.

    1. None of our business.

      1. Please keep funding CCP controlled companies thru ‘free’ trade. Ignore political suppression, slave labor, etc.

        1. OK, you’ve a point about trade assisting the PRC with their various evil deeds, but that has nothing to do with that headline’s inference that China exerting control over Hong Kong, requires a military response on the US’s part.

        2. Trump ended HK’s special economic status. That is a bit of a big deal.

            1. You can just say you don’t know what that means, or you could say nothing at all.

              1. Warning: It’s Tulpa you are talking to. You might not want to waste your time responding.

  5. … and giving police a new pretense for pulling people over.

    Geez. Read the room, police.

  6. Fresno State faces calls to remove Gandhi statue
    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=15153

    A student launched a petition asking California State at Fresno to remove a statue of Gandhi from the campus, saying he was racist.
    The university president released a statement indicating that the statue will remain.

    1. Wait until someone finds out the Dalai Lama kept slaves…

      1. Or what the current Dalai Lama’s written about homosexuality.

    2. Did the president also say the student was an ignorant little fucktard?

    3. The Bapu abides.

    4. Gandhi was a total perv. But as long as the statues of Lenin and Marx and the murals of Che remain, calling anyone else out for racism is revisionism at levels that would make Stalin proud.

      1. Strange that the people who shriek the loudest about racist white men never seem to be bothered about Marx’s racism. Or Herbert Marcuse’s. Or the racism of Adorno, or Foucault, or Derrida… or Corbyn.

  7. “Beer in barbershops. Maryland will start letting barbershops and beauty salons serve beer and wine on premises during business hours.”

    Unfortunately, the owner and staff must take a 600 hour occupational licensing class on how to open a beer.

    1. Hey! There is a hair in my beer!

      1. LOL to both!

      2. Hey! The head on this beer is shaving cream!

    2. Does it teach them how to shotgun?

    3. 2 parts gin
      1 part barbicide

      the blueberry.

    1. Police are looking to go in today. Should be fun to see.

      It is so weird watching the media pushing a lawlessness narrative while doing their best to hide said lawlessness from voters. Many independent journalists on CHOP are saying shootings happen almost every night in the area, just nobody gets seriously injured.

      1. Terrible shots. Need more time at the range.

      2. A 16 year old was murdered, and the 14 year old with him is in serious condition.
        There were no guns or casings in the vehicle and the windows were rolled up.
        The shooter went up at the end and said “oh, you’re not dead? Want to get pistol whipped?” then may or may not have finished the victim off with a single shot.
        Arrest everyone there for felony murder. Someone was killed during the commission of crimes they’re all part of.
        The “security team” should not be hard to identify. They murdered that kid and tried to cover it up. Arrest them all, make them flip on the shooter(s)

        1. Oh, and if any of them are from out of state… hello FBI

        2. I’d say that RICO could be used in this situation too, right? They are an organization(s) (you have Antifa and the John Brown Gun Club), and as a group, they’re refusing to talk to the police. They were present at the scene of the crime, and the cops can prove it with both video footage they’ve shot, as well as cell phone tracking data. Congrats, you’re an accomplice to murder, talk or enjoy your 10-20.

          1. Yes, I’d think so

      3. Should be fun to see.

        Sorry to disappoint your lust for seeing some police on protestor violence, but reports are the clearing of CHOP is going smoothly.

        Looks like Seattle is handling it without Trump’s military assistance.

        1. smoothly”
          Abolish the CHAZ police.
          https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1278161655709552645

          1. Not sure what your point is. I was referring to the Seattle Police’s clearing of the occupied zone, that happened this morning. (Still might be happening. I’m not sure.)

        2. The same reports that described Chaz as an open air festival? Lol.

          Are you still denying the rampant assaults that occurred the last 2 weeks?

          1. When did I deny them?

            Is this another one of those deals where you are throwing at me something else like DoL or Jeff or someone said because we are all supposedly sock puppets of each other?

            The White Knight has never denied there have been problems in the CHAZ, including people shot and killed. Hell, I don’t even have to read about it in the news. My relatives in Seattle give me more direct reporting.

        3. “One of the arrestees, a 29-year-old man, was in possession of a large metal pipe and kitchen knife when he was taken into custody,” the department noted.

          The Seattle Police Department (SPD) announced it had made at least 23 arrests as of 7:45 a.m. local time for “failure to disperse, obstruction, resisting arrest, and assault.”

          Smoothly huh?

          1. Nobody killed, nobody injured. No new cases of police brutality to feed the current national crisis.

        4. Hey look, one of the Marxists reminding us that they don’t believe in private property rights!

          1. OK, this should be good. How are you going to twist things so that I’m a Marxist or that I said I don’t believe in property rights? Go on, I’ll pull up a chair and listen.

            1. The people that created Chop don’t own any of the property they’ve seized. Which means they are no longer protesters, they are trespassers. If you continue to call the protesters, I’m going to continue to assume you don’t respect the property rights of the people that actually own the property.

              Are you aware a bunch of them are suing the mayor?

              1. Oh, boy. So, it’s a terminology thing.

                Yes, many of the protestors are trespassers. They are also trespassing in protest, so they are protestors. Both words apply, but emphasize different aspects of their behavior.

                Happy?

                1. I’m quite happy, thanks for asking. But the fact that you acknowledge it’s trespassing but still consider them protesters still makes you look like a Marxist, comrade.

                  1. All it says is that I realize more than one noun can apply to the same subject.

                    Furthermore, if we drew a Venn diagram of Protestors and Trespassers, all the people in the Trespassers circle would be contained inside the Protestors circle, but there would be a non-null set of people in the Protestors circle who are outside the Trespassers circle. Too nuanced?

      4. They already went in force this morning and started clearing the place out. It’s possible the shooting of those teenagers was the last straw, but I suspect the real reason was that the speds made the tactical error of protesting in front of Durkan the Dyke’s house. She not only finally authorized the police to go in and clean things out, she’s targeting KShitma for expulsion from the City Council, to boot.

        Antifa tried that with Wheeler in Portland and he’s been putting down protests ever since. If they had just been content to stay in Capital Hill and wallow in their own filth, Durkan would still be trying to goad Trump into bringing in the military to clean things out to own Orange Man Bad. The lesson here is that if you want to burn and break shit with impunity, don’t bring “the revolution” home to the city leaders that are letting you shit up the nest.

        1. Durkan is ex prosecutor, so her personal information, including her address is protected by special laws. Kshema reportedly led protestors to Durkan’s house, possible in violation of law.

          It would be so, so sweet to have her political career end in prison, but that is too much to hope for. Maybe Cap Hill will finally stop voting for her. Maybe. She lives in fucking Bellevue and is funded largely by out of state socialists.

          1. In a better world, Sawant’s citizenship would be revoked and her Trotskyite ass shipped back to Mumbai.

        2. agreed, Durkan doesn’t care about another dead black kid, she cares that they dared intrude into HER private life. Don’t they know who she is?! Their manager will be hearing from her lawyer, just you wait and see!

        3. That there have been multiple shootings and other violent incidents seems like sufficient reason without going into some crackpot “real reason”.

          1. Except she’d been waffling on it for several days; there were two other instances where it was supposed to get cleaned out and nothing happened.

  8. several states starting to crack down on any cellphone use while driving

    Such cellphone laws have been around for some time, and are pretty much universally flouted. Any “crackdowns” are based purely on “pandemic-based” diminishing state revenue.

    1. What’s the fine for tint that’s too dark vs using a cell phone?

  9. “For instance, in California, 13 places—including both large cities (like San Francisco and Los Angeles) and smaller ones—will see minimum wage increases today, raising the rate for any business with one to 25 employees to between $13 and $15.40 per hour.”

    Although I encourage all libertarians to vote Democrat, I can admit when the party is wrong. And on the minimum wage, the Democratic Party unfortunately deviates from our benefactor Charles Koch’s preferred policy.

    #AbolishTheMinimumWage

    1. supporting a minimum wage is to economics as a being flat-earther is to geology.

  10. Denver Post is now claiming BLM protests caused REDUCED covid infections.

    1. Passes law mandating protesting and rioting.

      1. “If you love Grandma, burn this fucker down!”

        1. They’re claiming:

          a. the protests reduced C19 by keeping everyone else home
          b. the protests didn’t cause increased C19 in places with protests and C19 increases, because the protests kept all of Denver at home but nobody in Houston at home.

          1. The Denver Post is a commie rag. They’ve been a commie rag my entire (way too long) lifetime.

            They suck.

            1. The Post didn’t really start taking a hard left turn until after Sue O’Brien took over as the editorial page editor in the mid-90s. Even then, it was pretty gradual, but the Post’s defeat of the Rocky Mountain News in the Denver paper wars started the real lurch.

              Over the next decade and a half or so, the old-timers retired and started to be replaced by younger staffers that had been indoctrinated by journalism schools that were increasingly staffed by radical left Gen-Xers who taught that journalism needed to be treated as a platform for advancing Critical Theory agendas rather than simple reporting.

            2. New York and Colorado contact tracers were explicitly instructed not to ask about attendance at the protests.
              https://nypost.com/2020/06/15/coronavirus-contact-tracers-wont-ask-if-new-yorkers-attended-protests/

              Progs are always predictable.

              1. What a fucking shock.

                They can’t attribute your coof to attending a protest if you don’t tell them that you attended a protest.

          2. Not that I doubt you, because that sounds like the Post’s patented brand of crap, but I can’t find anything like what you’re describing in the online edition. Do you have a link?

          3. I actually read this study, and it is pretty solid. Unlike many other studies that are actually models, this one actually looked closely at several data sets, and did a pretty good job of finding controls.

            1) They looked at COVID trend lines before and after protests, and did not find much change in infection rates for 21 days after protests begin.
            2) They look at Cell Phone data and see that while some people are traveling to protests, the *net* effect was an overall reduction in travel as more people stayed in their houses (presumably to avoid the protests).

            The data is public so while there is the chance of selection bias, it can be verified, but I had a couple comments that I went over on Glibs. First, people treat COVID as if it is a pervasive phenomenon. It is not. It is possible that several protests had no one (or few people) with COVID and other protests had many people. This is why the uncertainty bands on their data is pretty high. It is entirely possible that most protests did not result in spreads, while one or two protests were super spreader events.

            However, the infection trend lines before and after the protests are pretty compelling in how little they change. Unchecked in the study is how people OUTSIDE the protest areas- seeing how un-seriously leaders were taking the lockdown- felt like the lockdowns didn’t matter any more. It is also possible that the spread is going to happen no matter what, and you are seeing “breakouts” in populations that just haven’t had any infections to start.

            1. What the study implicitly suggests is that mass gatherings in general are okay. If they were trying to cover for the protests while warning of the dangers of COVID, they ended up doing the opposite.

    2. Was Winston Smith on the byline?

  11. “But there’s some good news in this batch of July 1 law changes, too…..letting nurse practitioners perform abortions”

    I bet they still have to give all the best dead baby organs to the Doctors.

    1. Or the Christopher Reeve Foundation.

    2. The testimony if Planned Parenthood exec’s for the Daedelin trials were released and they are sickening. Multiple admittance of babies born alive and basically harvested when they could have been saved. “Doctors” leaving breathing babies with beating hearts on a table for them to expire. etc.

      1. There’s nothing more invigorating the pulling the heart out of a baby and watching it slowly stop beating.

        Dude, do you even?

        1. To be fair… they didnt admit to biting into the still beating heart.

          1. Only an animal would do that . Civilized people wait until it stops beating.

            1. And waste the life force?

          2. +1 Magua

        2. ya know, everyone always jokes that the Red Cross is run by vampires, but you gotta wonder, what sort of sick sack of shit works at Planned Parenthood? Bloodsucking monsters controlling it is easier to believe than actual people being ok with this.

      2. What do you expect from an organization founded by a racist?

  12. One such place is Illinois, where it’s now illegal for drivers to so much as touch a cellphone, laptop, or tablet while driving.

    Except for cops, of course.

    1. They have qualified immunity from physics.

  13. Oh look, this alleged “parody account” is proved correct once again.

    @Forbes continues to track the number of billionaires giving to @JoeBiden and @realDonaldTrump. Biden currently holds the lead, 106 – 93

    My fundamental argument since I started commenting here is that the Democrats are now objectively the pro-billionaire party, which means we Koch / Reason libertarians should support them. And the numbers don’t lie.

    #BillionairesKnowBest

    1. Please eat me last.

      I’ve read left wing activity among the rich is a propositional good – i.e. conspicuous consumption.

      1. No need for a complicated psychological explanation. It’s actually simple — billionaires want unlimited, unrestricted immigration, and Democrats are rapidly moving toward that position.

        #VoteDemocratForOpenBorders

        1. And don’t forget higher taxes. High earners always want higher taxes.

    2. And yet Biden is still interrupting my youtube videos claiming that my ten bucks is the only thing keeping his campaign going. How much money does it cost this man to sit in his basement all day?

  14. Retailers Caught In Middle As Some Customers Throw Tantrums Over Masks Mandate

    “A mask isn’t symbolic of anything other than our desire to keep our staff healthy.”​

    “However, a statue is symbolic of everything that’s wrong with this country.”

    1. “A mask isn’t symbolic of anything other than our desire to keep our staff healthy.”​

      Then it isn’t a symbol.

    2. A totally ineffective single ply cotton mask is nothing but a symbol.

      1. Have you seen the new Shamwow mask commercials? I’m tempted to buy one to wear around just for the laughs.

        1. just checked it out, that was pretty funny. Also, damn the Shamwow guy has aged.

          1. I think he got off whatever drugs he was taking, so he’s probably substituted alcohol or food to fill that hole. He looks chunkier than he did in the early Shamwow commercials.

      2. Effective. And incredibly cost effective. We are travel banned from Europe now, and Canada is going to close their borders to us too. This is embarrassing. The rest of the civilized world has gotten this under control. Everyone except us.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/

        1. I love that you believe people who admitted they lied to us about masks.

          We are travel banned from Europe now, and Canada is going to close their borders to us too. This is embarrassing

          Yes your mewling is very embarrassing but you could just stop.

          1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/

            I’m not following “them” or any politicians. I follow the facts. Factually, mask effectiveness has been proven.

            1. No, it hasnt. The studies are still trickling in. Just like facts on eggs being good or bad for you alternate.

              You really dont understand science.

              1. The Science. He’s talking about The Science.

              2. I really do, hence the meta review. Read it. On balance, masks are shown to be effective in far more studies than they are found not to be effective. Knowing this, and knowing that the cost and inconvenience is practically nil, I choose to wear a mask indoors in public. Not wearing a mask at this point is only for ego and virtue signalling to other assholes.

                There is also the little thing about surgeons and doctors wearing masks basically since germ theory became accepted.

                1. “Read it.”

                  No. Your ball rolled out into the street, you should go get it without looking both ways.

                  1. If I ask someone to read something, you can assume I’m not talking to you, dummy.

  15. https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2020/6/29/on-behalf-of-environmentalists-i-apologize-for-the-climate-scare

    Could this be the beginning of the end of the Global Warming cult? I would love to believe this is to the AGW cult what Kruschev’s 1956 speech damning Stalin was to the old Soviet Union. That is probably optimistic, but it is a start and these things have to start somewhere. The money quote from the post made by a climate activist of over 30 years apologizing to the world.

    Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”

    The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”

    Climate change is not making natural disasters worse

    Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003

    The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska

    Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s

    Netherlands became rich not poor while adapting to life below sea level

    Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change

    Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels

    Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture

    1. Scooped, above, John.

      1. You quick fingered bastard!!

        Shame on me for not paying attention.

        1. Nah, I do that all the time. Deserves a repeat.

          We can have problems/issues/things to be concerned about, without them being civilization destroying crises that require Socialism Right Now Or Else.

          1. It does deserve a repeat. And everything he says is absolutely true and pretty much inarguable. The AGW cultists have no substantive refutation to the facts he presents.

            1. Sure they do:
              Mother Earth!
              See?

              1. Marxist Jeffy says The Science is settled.

        2. Wasn’t me; wish it was…

    2. This is not the end of the Global Warming Cult. It might be the end of his life, though.

      1. Certainly his career. But, I think it might be the beginning of the end. He isn’t the only believer who thinks this. I suspect a lot of them know it is bullshit and are just afraid to say so. Once one person does, it is easier for the next and so on.

        1. And ex-cultists can be enlightening and even entertaining. A good buddy in college was an ex-Mormon. Once he got a few beers down, he shared lots of bizarre (and revealing) stories.

          1. Did they involve three of his mothers?

            1. Sadly, those sister wives shows never live up to the sick fantasies they engender. Basically, only a really ugly, hard up woman is going to consent to being one of many wives.

              1. Oh John, you overestimate women.

            2. Ok, finally someone who thinks weird like me.

          2. You mean like the magic underwear?

            1. The underwear is not magic, it’s symbolic. Jesus is the magic.

              1. Which is what someone with magic underwear would say.

                1. OK, now that was funny.

  16. I posted this on the Pandemic Religious Freedom thread. Since that thread is dead and I don’t want anyone to think I won’t admit when I am wrong, I will post it again here.

    Somehow the traditional government police power to quarantine the sick transformed into the power to quarantine everyone. There is no way to reconcile that broad of a power with any freedom of assembly or movement.

    The problem is that it is impossible to “lock down” a society. People still have to eat. Someone has to ensure the lights still come on and the garbage is still picked up and everything else required to have a civilization. So no “lock down” is complete or real in any meaningful way. What you have instead is some people locked down and others not because the government deems them “essential”. What is “essential”? Essential is a totally subjective term. What is essential to you is not necessarily essential to someone else. So the lock downs were always and always will be an exercise in entirely arbitrary government tyranny. What is “essential” is whatever the local petty tyrant decides is “essential”. And in fairness to the tyrant, there is no other way to do it. Even if the local officials are well meaning their decisions and distinctions are going to be arbitrary and based on their prejudices and whims because the entire nature of the operation is arbitrary.

    I will to be the first to admit that I was completely wrong about this in the beginning and frankly embarrassingly so. Somehow, I convinced myself that these measures would just last for a couple of weeks and would be over because they were so draconian that the public wouldn’t tolerate it and they would become unenforceable regardless of what the government thought.

    Shame on me. I totally underestimated the cravenness of government officials and the willingness of the public to be brainwashed and willing to tolerate unbelievable restrictions on their civil rights. The lesson to be learned from all this is that no government can ever be trusted with the power of locking an entire society down. The power by it’s very nature is arbitrary and tyrannical and guaranteed to get out of hand no matter how much the powers that be promise otherwise. This should never be allowed to happen again. If government can’t control a virus by quarantining the sick, then the virus can’t be controlled and we will just have to figure out a way to live with the consequences.

    1. Is doggie daycare ‘essential’?

      No

      Is it ‘essential’ that the doctor you want working a 12 hr shift treating C19 patients has a place to take his dog?

      Yes

      Is doggie daycare ‘essential’?

      Yes.

      1. Everything is essential to someone. Take something like daily mass at Catholic churches. There are some people out there that going to daily mass is the only time they get out of the house or have any social interaction. If you are say a childless widow or widower who lives alone, going to mass and maybe meeting another regular for coffee afterwards or talking to the priest might be the only reason you get up in the morning. I know for a fact plenty of such people exist and the cruelty of depriving of this is immense. I don’t know how many but I am quite sure there are people who have committed suicide or died because they lost the will to live because of this.

        Is daily mass essential? It is to them.

        1. Make that distinction to Newsome and you get a blank Homer stare.

          More troubling is ostensibly reasoned people who support lockdowns would probably agree and STILL conclude, ‘but we had to.’

          That’s the depressing part.

          1. What’s that ‘Nam quote?
            ‘We had to ruin the economy in order to save it’?

            1. The only one I remember is “kill them all, let God sort it out”.

          2. Newsome was on the news claiming that families are the new transfer of covid and will have an announcement latter today about.

            I wonder if he will try to make it illegal to visit relatives this holiday weekend. Note they keep coming out with scare tactics on holiday weekends

            1. Sure why not? It’s not like reason or science is part of this anymore.

              Make all your claims to push an agenda.

              1. It’s not like reason or science is part of this anymore.

                Anymore?

          3. It’s because people give in on bullshit like mask wearing.
            If you concede that this is a super special virus requiring abnormal and unprecedented response, you’ve already lost. Anything can then be justified in the name of public health.
            Like Churchill said: “You already said you’d sleep with me for $1 million. Now we’re just haggling about price”

            1. all this^

            2. Science changes daily:

              1. “If you are sick,” the CDC says, “you should wear a facemask when you are around other people (e.g., sharing a room or vehicle) and before you enter a healthcare provider’s office.” But “if you are NOT sick,” it adds, “you do not need to wear a facemask unless you are caring for someone who is sick (and they are not able to wear a facemask).
              2. A randomized trial of face masks involving about 7,700 hajj participants in Mecca had less promising results. At the end of the study, which was reported in The Lancet last year, the subjects who received masks—most of whom used them intermittently or not at all—were just as likely to have viral respiratory infections as those who did not. Last year was 2019; most people in C19 panicked 2020 wear their mask intermittently, or just plain wrong like over their mouth only, or hanging around their neck.
              3. New England Journal of Medicine 5/21/2020
              We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.

              The CDC bit above was before politics; now this is the new CDC gospel:
              Oddly enough, for the real flu;
              “Unvaccinated Asymptomatic Persons, Including Those at High Risk for Influenza Complications
              No recommendation can be made at this time for mask use in the community by asymptomatic persons, including those at high risk for complications, to prevent exposure to influenza viruses”
              But for the magical COVID;
              “In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.
              Cloth face coverings fashioned from household items or made at home from common materials at low cost can be used as an additional, voluntary public health measure.
              The cloth face coverings recommended are not surgical masks or N-95 respirators. Those are critical supplies that must continue to be reserved for healthcare workers and other medical first responders, as recommended by current CDC guidance.”

              So “cloth face coverings” (note: not called masks) are a voluntary option where anti-social distancing is NOT feasible, per the CDC. Yet every fascist issuing an emergency order quotes them as REQUIRED.

              1. THE Science!

          4. ‘but we had to.’

            Just like he and Cuomo and the other governors had to sign the orders for assisted living facilities to take back residents without testing?

        2. Regardless, we, by not rioting in the streets on day one, turned over the economy to the government.
          That has never, anywhere, resulted in anything other than an economic disaster.
          We are now awaiting ‘plans’ from the tin-pot-dictator wannabes to ‘reopen’ the economy; no way are they going to release control without SERIOUS pressure.
          Planned economies DO NOT WORK!

          1. No they don’t. And we did nothing to stop the pandemic. We just delayed it.

            1. Hmmm, poor AND sick.
              Put the government in charge, get the worst of all possible outcomes.

              1. I’m shocked I tell you! Shocked!

    2. 2020: The rise of the pant shitting hypocrite pussies.

      Also.

      The year tyranny of the minority and mob ruled like T-Rex and his tiny flappy arms.

  17. https://www.splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/the-left-wing-crackup#.XvvNXYrocXo.twitter

    A couple of weeks ago, street protesters broke all the windows in a coffee shop that I frequent. Normally, I’d get angry about an act of senseless violence like this, but the media tells me that those vandals are good people fighting for a righteous cause, so I’m trying to keep it in that perspective. Perhaps it’s even the owner’s fault for not putting up a “Black Lives Matter” sign in the window like so many other small businesses here in Richmond have, although I suspect it’s more of a prophylactic measure than true expression of solidarity. It’s very confusing. It looks to me like the Left has lost its mind, resembling a cult more than a political movement, with its disciples repeating stock phrases like robots.

    The message I get repeatedly from the people in charge of our current cultural revolution, and the media that complies with its rhetoric and actions, is that they’re the moral elite, and we can’t question them.

    1. The greater the good a person thinks they are accomplishing, the greater the evil they will rationalize trying to do it.

    2. Just a quick reminder that the “Summer of Love” ended in the Manson murders and Altamont. BLM and Antifa appear to be trying a speedrun of that.

      What’s interesting is that there was a similar burst of “Black Lives Matter” propoganda in the media in the summer before the 2016 election, before subsiding and disappearing for four years. Back then, it was just a political movement, though, not a religious cult, so we’ll see if the same pattern holds.

      1. People never learn. I keep seeing various people who support the cause saying that these violent people are showing up and ruining everything. Strictly speaking that is true. It, however, never occurs to these half wits why it is that these violent people are showing up. Yes, every time you start a movement that says you are going to tear down society and build something new, a lot of violent people who just enjoy the tearing down part are going to show up. How could they not? These people really think the violence is just bad luck. They are incapable of seeing the connection between their actions and ideology and the foreseeable results.

        1. Relevant:

          “Now I wanted to say something about the fact that we have lived over these last two or three summers with agony and we have seen our cities going up in flames. And I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non­-violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I’m absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.”
          https://www.gphistorical.org/mlk/mlkspeech/

          1. Get back to me when actual black people are rioting instead of rich white people showing up to burn down black neighborhoods, which is what is happening now.

            1. “They are incapable of seeing the connection between their actions and ideology and the foreseeable results.”

              I was responding to your comment where you seem to place blame for riots on protestors. I am saying the same criticism would apply to those who create the conditions that bring about protests. IE cops killing people, prosecutors carrying water for them, politicians passing drug laws, etc. Why does the buck stop with those protesting, and not pass the criticism up the chain?

              1. Eat the rich comrade!

        2. Yes, every time you start a movement that says you are going to tear down society and build something new

          To be fair, calling for a change to policing procedures in america is not the same as “a movement that says you are going to tear down society and build something new”

          1. The leader of BLM said they want to burn down the system.

  18. Even LOOKING at your phone is a crime? I guess we aren’t supposed to use GPS for driving directions. Follow the money. Maybe Garmin or TomTom lined a few palms so to force us all back to dedicated GPS devices in our cars.

    Officer: Sir, I pulled you over because you looked at your phone.
    Me: That’s not possible officer, my phone is in the trunk but I do have this nice TomTom GPS that I glanced at.
    Officer: uhhhhh…. you’re free to go sir after I write you a ticket because …uhm… because…. because your rear passenger tire looks low.

    1. You know what that is? It is an excuse for the cops to harrass minorities and poor people. Rest assured a respectable looking white person in a nice car will never be pulled over for this. It will act as a means of enforcing driving while black bans.

      And I guarantee you that the very same people who have their “BLM” signs in their yard and wake up every day thinking they are one of the enlightened fighting the evil forces of racism think this law is great.

      1. Damn. You’re right and I missed it. I was just focusing on the absurdity of it. But this is absolutely an invitation for cops to harass anyone they want and, sadly, we all know that the harassment will not be uniformly distributed.

        You’re also right about the “fans” of these laws having no idea what the implications are.

        1. “You’re also right about the “fans” of these laws having no idea what the implications are.”

          See ‘lockdowns/economy’ above; those who claim the lockdowns were necessary are probably the same who support this.
          ‘If it saves just one life’ has replaced ‘for the childrunz!’

        2. Same thing for all the “we should ban all the guns” folks, who have no idea that that will lead to massive police invasions of minority neighborhoods looking for guns.

      2. And I guarantee you that the very same people who have their “BLM” signs in their yard and wake up every day thinking they are one of the enlightened fighting the evil forces of racism think this law is great.

        This. 100x this. It’s the smug liberal white moms who think they are so enlightened about BLM who love all these petty laws about fucking everything.

      3. Nonsense. Stop virtue signaling. I know plenty of white people who have been pulled over for using their phones. Everything is not always about race.

        1. I never have and I do it all the time. I am a respectable white person with an expensive looking car. People like me don’t get pulled over for anything except speeding and sometimes not even then.

    2. It doesn’t matter if you’re completely stopped and your foot has jammed the brake pedal through the floorboard, either. Maybe it’s also gonna benefit a few radio stations-you can look at your radio to change the station, but you can’t look at your phone to change your playlist.

    3. Cops already struggle to reconcile a suspect trying to pull up his shorts while being forced to crawl on his belly and the idea that someone would try to draw down with multiple guns already pointed at them. This is a naked excuse to pull people over for doing anything in the car other than stare straight ahead with your hands at 10 and 2.

    4. They have had this nonsense law for years in Hawaii. Even at stoplight, behind two cars, with cross traffic flowing, if you pick up your phone with your hand it is a $300 ticket. They do allow the tip of your finger to touch the screen if it is mounted and 911 calls. They love torching tourists around Waikiki. Oh, they will also ticket you if you’re looking at your phone while in a crosswalk.

      https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/25/559980080/honolulus-distracted-walking-law-takes-effect-targeting-phone-users

  19. If as libertarians we want to let people do things, including stupid things, then how do we react to the outcomes?

    If a person using a cell phone causes a fatal crash, what then? An independent person made a stupid choice that contributed (or even more directly caused) harm to another. Should the punishment be greater? Is there a market solution, e.g. the insurance company refuses to pay for some or all damages? Is there a technology solution, e.g. when a driver uses a phone it causes a spike to emerge from the steering wheel?

    What counts as reckless or even dangerous behavior? And what do we tolerate?

    1. If you cause a crash, you should be liable to pay for the damages that result. Whether you caused the crash because you looked at your phone or just failed to see someone or were drunk or in a drag race or whatever really doesn’t matter. If you swerve over the yellow line and hit me, the results from my end are the same regardless of your reason for doing so.

      So, I think the Libertarian response to these things such as there is is that everyone should be responsible for the consequences of their actions. The government should not get into the business of holding people criminally or civilly responsible for actions that do not result in harm.

      1. Agree with this. I’m even fine with their being uppers to the civil liabilities for using a phone leading to a crash.

        1. I think using your phone while driving is a perfectly valid basis for punitive damages in a car crash suit. Make it where if it is shown you were using your phone and caused a crash, the plaintiff can get punitive damages that will not be covered by your insurance policy.

          1. the plaintiff can get punitive damages that will not be covered by your insurance policy.

            What the actual fuck? I thought you were a lawyer? Do you not understand what liability insurance is meant to do? Or does the idea of bankrupting people over a car accident just give you wood?

            1. It was a hypothetical dipshit. And insurance policies don’t generally cover punitive damages. And if you kill someone doing something criminal, you deserve to be bankrupted.

        2. I’m even fine with their being uppers to the civil liabilities for using a phone leading to a crash.

          So, not paying attention is fine if you are busy wiping mustard off your shirt, trying to stop your kids from fighting, or getting a hummer from the GF, but phone use justifies a whole different class of tort?

          1. Phone usage is of more prevalence. If you want to add uppers for cleaning a shirt, have at it. I have no issue with civil uppers.

      2. This is the right answer. There’s no difference between a driver who causes a wreck while not paying attention in general and one who causes a wreck by looking at their cell phone. The overall cause and the outcome is exactly the same–someone not paying attention to the road and their surroundings.

        These laws are the equivalent of hate crime laws and are retarded as all get out.

      3. John, do you consider any public behavior reckless (and unacceptable)? How about walking downtown while drunk and blind-folded and testing your flame thrower?

        1. I think some behavior is reckless and criminal for sure. I think driving 90 down a residential street would be reckless and criminal even if you don’t hit anyone. But, it is reckless and criminal regardless of whether you are using your phone or drunk or entirely sober.

          Your example of the flame thrower certainly should be criminal even if you get lucky and no one is hurt. But the analogy to a car is someone driving in a reckless and dangerous manner. My problem is that instead of judging how the person is actually driving or if their driving caused any harm, the law currently gets into moral judgments and uses the totally reasonable principle you give as a means to punish behavior society just doesn’t like.

          So for example, if you are driving in an entirely safe manner and don’t cause an accident, it should not matter if you are drunk or what your BAH is. If you are driving in a dangerous manner, you should be held accountable or if you cause an accident you should be held accountable regardless as well.

        2. How about walking downtown while drunk and blind-folded and testing your flame thrower?

          Why is it so hard to discuss these issues without descending into absurd hypotheticals?

          1. In a country of 300 million which includes Florida, it’s bound to happen.

            1. I should have known that “absurd” was your summoning word.

            2. You realize Florida Man has proven far superior to Progressive Shithole Soy Boy over the last few months

        3. But of course, these laws make non-reckless behavior illegal, such as glancing at your phone while you’re completely stopped at a stoplight or stop sign. Sure, you can perhaps string together a potential causality string where that leads to an accident, but the act itself is utterly harmless to everyone and now completely illegal.

          1. I agree that glancing at your phone should not be illegal. But what about intently staring at your phone while texting, while driving at 50 mph through a residential area?

            At some point we have to acknowledge that most humans are not the intelligent, rational beings that can and will manage their own behavior as we might hope. The decision then is to either manage them (by overt or covert controls) or to stay away when they start acting stupid (and dangerous).

        4. I wanna party with that guy!

      4. This has way more to do with fines as extra income and placating the screeching Karens than it does with safety.

        1. God damn, it took a long time to get to the Karen reference in this thread!

    2. A wreck is a wreck and the focus of the law should be on the severity of the wreck and the harm caused, not on the cause of the wreck. If a person runs into a schoolbus of kids because he was drunk or because he was texting, it makes little sense to punish one more harshly than the other.

      1. Dammit, this thread made me agree with Jeffy. Now I have to go check all my premises.

        1. Just agree with the many others who said it first and better.

        2. Broken clock.

    3. If as libertarians we want to let people do things, including stupid things, then how do we react to the outcomes?

      we already do. Laws don’t stop people from doing stupid things NOW.

  20. “eliminat[ing] the mandatory minimum term of confinement in jail of 10 days for a third or subsequent conviction of driving on a suspended license”

    It’s like the lack of a license doesn’t put everyone at risk at all.

  21. Adam Silver Says He Hopes The NBA Can Find A ‘Mutual Respect’ With China
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/30/adam-silver-nba-china-mutual-respect-daryl-morey/

    “Lakers’ LeBron James on NBA’s China controversy: “I don’t want to get into a … feud with Daryl Morey but I believe he wasn’t educated on the situation at hand and he spoke.”

    1. Remember, black lives dont matter when you are getting paid by China. Lebron should educate himself on what happens in China.

    2. This isn’t new. Silver used to make gaffs like this all the time back when he was dean of Greendale Community College.

  22. removing a requirement that requires race to be listed on marriage and divorce reports

    It’s like government databases aren’t starving as it is.

  23. …and waiving all state and local fees associated with gun licensing except for fingerprinting costs.

    You can’t go waiving that gun fee around.

    1. And there’s no fighting in the War Room.

      1. There may be no crying in baseball, but there for damn sure is a lot of whining.

  24. So something that the alarmists on the media, and even Reason, keep ignoring is that the spike of infections currently happening is generally happening to those under the age of 40. And even Reason has admitted that infections on the young arent largely problematic.

    In May, “the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that the risk of death for people with COVID-19 symptoms is just 0.05% among patients younger than 50,” says Reason’s Jacob Sullum. “That risk rises to 0.2% among 50-to-64-year-olds and 1.3% among people 65 or older.”

    Florida pediatrician Dr. Jason Foland says most 30- and 40-year-olds “don’t actually have very bad symptoms – it’s just like the common cold.”

    https://issuesinsights.com/2020/06/30/when-did-flatten-the-curve-become-we-reserve-the-right-to-panic/

    Yet we are going back to the statist bullshit that idiots like Jeff want to force on everybody out of an ignorant fear.

    The quickest way to end this pandemic is to do what humans have done throughout their evolutionary history: allow the infections to spread through low risk communities and protect the high risk communities. The virus will evolve to be less deadly and humans will build an immune response.

    Is this shit not taught anymore? Have the panic mongers finally dumbed down americans enough?

    1. There is not a spike in infections. there is a spike in “known” infections. There is a spike in numbers being tested.

      1. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt since positive test rates went from 8% to 12%

        The main point is that covering number of infected is an absolute dumb thing to do and being done so for purely political reasons.

        1. Stop it with your paranoid bulletin. There is nothing wrong with reporting number of infections, deaths, etc. related to this pandemic. If people misinterpret statistics that is not the reporter’s fault, that is due to a lack of media literacy in general. Stop expecting reporters to always cater to your narrative of events.

          1. Stop it with your paranoid

            You first mask boy.

          2. If people misinterpret statistics that is not the reporter’s fault,

            In all seriousness, why would this ever be a valid statement? The notion of journalistic integrity is predicated on presenting discernible facts from which the public can draw correct conclusions. If a reporter does not understand the statistics they should not present them at all, leaving that to specialist reporters who do understand them. If any reporter omits portions of the data such as margins of error and statistical significance, they are presenting a false narrative.

            1. In all seriousness, why would this ever be a valid statement?

              chemjeff radical individualist

              they are presenting a false narrative

              chemjeff radical individualist

          3. They arent reporting the deaths anymore you fucking imbecile. The media narrative switched to infections.

            This is why people think you’re functionally retarded.

    2. I find it interesting that infections have increased while mask wearing requirements have increased. I have also been wondering about asymptomatic exposure but that normally last only a few weeks but everyone was locked down for 2 months. I’ve also wondered about nefarious people actually seeding the virus for vile political reasons. then i recall all the mask were made in china which have been found to be seeded with covid before. are we still testing mask before importing? I think its the mask, luckily my mask predate this pandemic but it may be overloaded now

    3. Stop lying about me, asshole. I never demanded mandatory mask wearing.

      And also have enough humility to understand that what you think is the proper course of action for your life may not be the same as what another might conclude based on that person’s particular circumstances, arrived at in good faith.

      1. Shut the fuck up authoritarian statist idiot.

      2. what you think is the proper course of action for your life may not be the same as what another might conclude based on that person’s particular circumstances, arrived at in good faith.

        Given your proclivity to write before you think, I assume you meant to say ‘…what another might conclude is the proper course of action for their life…’, but your Freudian slip is very telling.

        I have no doubt you sincerely believe that what I think is the proper course of action for my life is immaterial based on what some public health expert may conclude is the proper course of action for everyone. I have no idea why you would assume good faith on their part.

      3. You literally spent all morning yesterday threatening mandates if people didnt volunteer. That isnt fucking volunteering at that point you lying shit.

        1. He’s as dumb as he is dishonest.

    4. The whole argument over masks proceeds from the presumption that we do not want this to spread. There are a lot of people out there who are banking on us having an effective and widely-deployed vaccine by next winter.

  25. Hoosier employers will no longer be able to force potential employees to get microchips implanted into their bodies…

    Once you’re hired, though… bend over.

  26. The state will start letting people use forms of ID other than a driver’s license to register to vote.

    Illinois for decades has been letting people vote using their valid death certificate.

    1. Good one.

  27. We must give all power to socialists to punish GOP voters for cutting off our sweet gigs:

    ‘Never Trumpers’ Now Targeting GOP Senators for Defeat
    https://pjmedia.com/election/rick-moran/2020/06/30/never-trumpers-now-targeting-gop-senators-for-defeat-n590667

    1. Unfortunately the Trump Crazy is infecting other GOP Senators kind of like Mad Senator Cow Disease.

      Time to prune the herd back to contain the Trump Virus infecting them.

      1. That said, it hasn’t stopped me from posting my special links all over.

        1. Oh look, it’s the fake cheap plastic buttplug.

          Imitation is flattery, bitch.

          1. It’s funny because you’re the fake.

          2. “Imitation is flattery, bitch.”

            Ain’t imitation; no lies, bullshit or TDS, turd.

  28. Maryland will start letting barbershops and beauty salons serve beer and wine on premises during business hours.

    My new business, Hair of the Dog Salon, has caused a lot of confusion for pet owners.

  29. The state is making it easier for teachers licensed in another state to obtain a teaching certificate in Oklahoma.

    “NOT YOU, ALABAMA. Even we have our standards.”

  30. “Use or dissemination of a recording or photo without consent” will now trigger a requirement that someone be added to the state’s sex offender registry.

    Make sure you get his permission before showing that unsolicited dick pic to police.

  31. South Dakota is also making it a Class 2 misdemeanor offense to join a funeral procession you don’t belong to.

    This was aimed at the Floyd protests.

    1. Wedding Crashers 2: The Dirge

      1. Chazz Reinhold will figure a way into it.

    2. But I thought we were “all part of the family of man”?

  32. The state is making asking for money within 50 feet of an ATM, public monument, or business entrance a crime.

    The punishment for that crime? A fine.

  33. What’s up, Pea-Nuts?

    i come here to get my latest wingnut CT regarding QAnon, Birtherism, Jade Helm, false flag gun grabber fake killing lke Newtown, etc.

    Many of you were pushing that Democratic governors were derailing the Con Man by closing their states. How do you explain Texas and Florida then?

    Any crazy right wing shit you post will be appreciated!

    1. I decided to give up on using my American Socialist accpunt because you all knew it was me right away. Didn’t expect you peanuts to be so astute but I guess I should have learned my lesson when “moneyshot” got outed.

      Yes, I once named myself after ejaculate.

    2. Many of you were pushing that Democratic governors blah blah blah

      How do you explain Texas and Florida then?

      Local politicians.

      “Central Florida counties not planning to close beaches for Fourth of July”

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wesh.com/amp/article/central-florida-beaches-fourth-of-july/33003428

      1. Florida bans bar alcohol consumption as coronavirus cases spike

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        JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – Florida banned alcohol consumption at its bars Friday after its daily confirmed coronavirus cases neared 9,000, a new record that is almost double the previous mark set just two days ago.

        The Florida agency that governs bars announced the ban on Twitter just minutes after the Department of Health reported 8,942 new confirmed cases, far surpassing the state’s previous record of 5,500 set Wednesday.

        GOP administration and Governor bans drinking!

        https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/06/26/florida-immediately-suspends-alcohol-sales-at-bars/

        Pussies!

        1. GOP administration and Governor bans drinking!

          Shit guys I’m so stupid I should have read my own link

          The Florida agency that governs bars

          How could I be so fucking dumb as to think an agemcy was the Governor and the GOP I just hate them so much that I get irrational.

          1. Don’t sweat it we all know you’re an idiot so fuckups like that really don’t hurt your rep.

            Because you’re also a pedophile, which totally hurts your rep.

          2. You fucking dumbass – what is it about the DeSantis Administration don’t you understand?

            Oh, I get it. It’s like when you blame the $3 trillion Trump Welfare bill on Pelosi.

            “SHE FORCED HIM TO SIGN IT!!! TRUMP DICK IS SO TASTY!” – all you Peanuts collectively.

            1. Ok I think I understand my mistake, I stupidly think an agency is a person.

              God that makes me a retard for sure.

          3. Lol for once I agree with you that was an own goal from you.

            1. Imagine being so stupid and desperate hat you think an agency is an individual like I do.

    3. come now you know the answer. Team Blue is EEEEVIL but Team Red gets excuses an largely a pass.

      1. Even I think you’re an imbecile.

      2. Sure, all the protests in Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, and Houston (which got pile-driven with new cases ) had NO affect on the spread whatsoever. The coof doesn’t touch protesters, just bar attendees.

        1. At least you’re admitting all those people that were stealing stuff and burning down buildings are protestors and not rioters.

          1. They were both.

      3. Dear Jeffy,

        There is bad, and then there is worse. Why do you assume anyone is saying Red is not bad when they point out that Blue is worse. Maybe because YOU are the partisan hack?

        1. Yes, he is. But at least he lies about it so it’s ok.

  34. WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Hundreds of officials who worked for former Republican President George W. Bush are set to endorse Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden, people involved in the effort said, the latest Republican-led group coming out to oppose the re-election of Donald Trump. The officials, who include Cabinet secretaries and other senior people in the Bush administration, have formed a political action committee – 43 Alumni for Biden – to support the former vice president in his Nov. 3 race, three organizers of the group told Reuters. Bush was the country’s 43rd president.

    Oh shit. When the Dotard is too crazy for the Bushpigs then things are bad for the GOP.

    1. And here’s the kicker: BIDEN IS EVEN CRAZIER!

      Such héros all of them.

      1. He is, and demented at that. I wish I could vote for Hillary again.

        1. You can. Please do.

    2. And just to he clear, I consider W the greatest President ever and a genius with strong moral character. Donny can’t hold a candle to him or his daddy.

      1. Most republicans I know don’t even consider Bush a republican

        1. Which is why I love him.

          1. So your previous point was, when people are who aren’t “really” republicans don’t like the republican president things are bad for the republicans?

            And that makes sense to you?

        2. Yeah, a REAL Republican like Trump signs a $3 trillion welfare bill. Bush’s was half that.

          1. And to be clear, I only slag Trump because his welfare giveaway wasn’t generous enough and should have been much more.

    3. I was hoping you’d been banned at least or, at best, died. Sorry to see your pathetic ass back here.

      1. Go take your Droxy, Sevo. Trump told you to.

        You know that.

        Obey him.

        1. Meanwhile I am going to masturbate to pictures of young Obama.

        2. You thought that was clever?
          It’s not. It’s pathetic.

  35. “Utah, meanwhile, is raising fees on people who bring in boats from out of state.”

    As someone with a brother who, thank goodness, built a cabin in Utah, and who goes fishing with him for trout on occasion . . . I believe that’s a common sense defense against quagga mussels, which people from out of state might spread with their uncleaned boats.

    “In order to pay the fee, owners of boats not registered in Utah will first be required to complete an online education course about preventing the spread of quagga mussels. A link to that online course and the payment portal will be available on the STD of the Sea website and the DWR website.”

    https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/520678620/bringing-your-boat-to-utah-new-laws-fees-go-into-effect-july-1

    II think that’s a common sense way to help protect your state from an invasive species and puts the costs on the people from out of state who might bring them there.

    There’s a lesson there for elitist environmentalist types, which is that trout fishing Utah types, that you might dismiss as hate filled rednecks, are just as interested in conservation and legitimate environmental protection as anyone else–maybe even more so because their regular interactions with the natural world are deeper than the average suburbanite environmentalist’s viewing of a nature film on TV. It’s scary to think what environmentalists and conservationists might accomplish if they ever stopped hating each other.

    1. California requires a certificate of inspection of boats for invasive species at certain lakes. its one of the few regulations I don’t mind Utah could require something similar. When rednecks and other outdoor typse see a real issue they will work it out its why hunting has actually increased bird and deer populations.

      1. Exactly!

        It’s just that plenty of environmentalists never leave the suburbs, and their self-righteous attitudes won’t let them make common cause with people who own guns and killed Bambi’s mom.

        IMO, if they’re unwilling to make common cause with hunters and people who fish in order to advance the cause of environmentalism, they aren’t really environmentalists. They’re poseurs and snobs.

    2. If that’s the reasoning behind the fees, I wish they’d done it sooner before Lake Powell got invaded by quaggas. They tried for years to prevent an infestation and ultimately failed.

  36. South Dakota needed a reason to hassle minorities on its wide open roads?

  37. Team Red ousts Trump bootlicker in primary, replaces him with insane conspiracy addled nut job

    https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEKLF-m0D9gCiBqjMiVr_6mYqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow4Zn5CjCu8uACMLTRlgY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

    1. Fuck even I think your TDS is pathetic.

      1. Hi, Tulpa.

    2. “QAnon caucus” lol

        1. Not a joke, that’s a quote from the article. The Qanon caucus is a sizable portion of your party, moron.

  38. This is desperately bad reporting. Instead of it being “illegal for drivers to so much as touch a cellphone, laptop, or tablet while driving,” the actual law says that if you are in a car accident, the Secretary of State may suspend your license if you were using an electronic device while driving. Your license may be suspended for one year and you may be assessed a $1,000 fine if your use of the electronic device caused the accident, and someone was seriously injured (https://www.illinoislegalaid.org/legal-information/drivers-license-suspension-accident-or-unpaid-judgment).

    I’m not sure that the actual law here is even objectionable from a libertarian viewpoint.

    That’s an Eno

    1. This is desperately bad reporting. Instead of it being “illegal for drivers to so much as touch a cellphone, laptop, or tablet while driving,” the actual law says that your license may be suspended and you may get a $1000 fine if using your cell phone **causes an accident that seriously injures someone.** (https://www.illinoislegalaid.org/legal-information/drivers-license-suspension-accident-or-unpaid-judgment).

      I’m not sure that the actual law here is even objectionable from a libertarian viewpoint.

      (Sorry for the double-post; can the previous comment be deleted?)

  39. Illegal gambling expansion in Virginia. The state is widening its definition of illegal gambling to include “the playing or offering for play of any skill game.”
    Virginia legalized casinos, not generally of course, only a few going to people with connections. They have to stop competition.

    1. So if you and your buddies want to bet a dollar a hole during your round of golf, you’re a criminal.

      1. Never mind that, what about a whole golf tournament with entry fees and prizes? There must be more to this.

    2. That would seem to ban pro sports, or any competition for prizes via skill. There must be more details.

  40. What the hell, we gave in on masks, why not give in on wearing gloves to avoid touching our phones?

  41. “In South Dakota, drivers are now banned from using their phones for anything other than talking”
    So what does that do for all of us who use a phone as a GPS?

  42. “Touching Your Phone While Driving Is Now Illegal in Idaho, Illinois, and Indiana.”

    I could care less.
    As long as it’s still legal for my girlfriend to give me a blowjob while I”m driving, I’m happy.

  43. you forgot Virginia.

    1. that was in ref to the headline. you also forgot to give VA credit for ceasing to suspend driver’s licenses for unpaid fines/fees.

  44. this is a great decision but it can be misused easily

  45. What about touching your crotch? Your passenger’s crotch?

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  48. I live in Anne Arundel County, Maryland, so finally some good news.

    Can’t touch my phone in Illinois and can’t touch my penis in Colorado. I will have to adjust my cross-country drive route.

  49. I live in Anne Arundel County, Maryland, so finally some good news.

    Can’t touch my phone in Illinois and can’t touch my penis in Colorado. I will have to adjust my cross-country drive route.

    1. Sorry; if you live in Anne Arundel County, Maryland there is no good news.

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