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The Former Cop Who Killed George Floyd Will Get $50K Annual Pension Even if Convicted of Murder

The family of George Floyd probably won't be able to successfully sue Derek Chauvin in civil court because of qualified immunity, but they will help pay for the killer cop's retirement.

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The former Minneapolis police officer who suffocated George Floyd to death on May 25 will be able to receive a taxpayer-funded pension even if he is convicted of murdering Floyd.

Derek Chauvin, who was captured on video kneeling on Floyd's neck for more than eight minutes while Floyd struggled to breathe and eventually died, was fired from the Minneapolis Police Department and subsequently arrested and charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter. Many states have laws allowing public employees' pensions to be partially or fully revoked if an individual commits a felony offense while discharging their public duties, but Minnesota does not.

As a result, CNN reported Friday, the 44-year-old Chauvin will be able to start drawing a pension at age 50, though the benefits would not be fully vested until he turns 55. The exact amount of his pension is unknown—and his termination from the department may affect some of the calculations used to determine the eventual payout—but CNN reports that Chauvin is likely to be eligible for about $50,000 annually based on his final pay and years of service.

If he were to live to 78, the average life expectancy for men in the United States, Chauvin could be expected to draw more than $1.1 million from the pension system—and that's without accounting for any cost of living increases.

Not all of that would be coming from taxpayers, of course. Public pension systems are funded in three ways: by employees who contribute a portion of their paychecks, by the employers (which is to say taxpayers), and by investment earnings. Police in Minnesota contribute 11.8 percent of their own pay to the pension system every year. That portion is Chauvin's money and should be returned to him. Police Departments, however, contribute 17.7 percent of each employee's salary to the retirement fund too—and the public is on the hook for making up any funding shortfalls that might occur.

Those numbers are higher than in many other places, but that's probably why the Minnesota Public Employees Retirement Association is nearly fully funded, unlike many other public pension systems. Also, police in Minnesota do not pay into Social Security or receive benefits from the federal retirement program.

Understanding Chauvin's pension helps shed light on the broader implications of public retirement costs around the country. An employee like Chauvin is afforded a retirement package that allows him to collect a pension even if he pursues other work after his retirement, and that cannot be revoked even for the most egregious violations of the public trust. It's vastly different from what most private sector workers can expect to receive.

Many states have narrowly tailored laws that allow for pensions to be revoked if public officials abuse their positions, but those laws are usually targetted at preventing corruption rather than police misconduct. Even Florida's pension forfeiture statute, which says that public employees can lose their pensions for a "breach of public trust," was insufficient to prevent the Florida deputy who failed to confront a shooter at a Parkland high school from getting a pension in excess of $100,000 annually.

If Chauvin were to be convicted of murder in Florida (or several other states), he'd probably be in danger of losing his pension. Instead, taxpayers in Minnesota will pay for his retirement even if he's spending part (or all) of it behind bars.

That only adds insult to injury for the family of George Floyd. Qualified immunity could prevent them from successfully suing Chauvin in civil court for compensation, but a small portion of their taxes will be used to pay for the killer cop's retirement.

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272 responses to “The Former Cop Who Killed George Floyd Will Get $50K Annual Pension Even if Convicted of Murder

  1. I don’t know how I feel about this. According to the rules he did “earn” his pension before he killed Floyd.
    If the courts sentence him to jail + no pension that’s one thing, but extrajudicial punishments tacked on by posturing bureaucrats or politicians is another.

    1. Boehm really doesn’t think the libertarian implications through very well, does he.

      1. Boehm really doesn’t think very well, does he.

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      2. Where did Boehm suggest MN should break its contract with this thug? Boehm’s point is that the police unions in MN have been successful in avoiding contract stipulations found in other State’s police union contracts that allow the State to revoke future benefits in the event of misconduct. The way I read this, Boehm is shaming MN into changing its police union contracts to avoid forcing victims and victims families to fund the retirement of cops who break the law. How is that inconsistent with libertarian principles?

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                    2. Just kinda winged him in the shoulder like Little Joe Cartwright.

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                    4. Except sarcasmic asked Tulpa out on a date and Tulpa said no.

                    5. That actually happened.

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                  2. Sqrlsy? Did your social worker give you the weekend unsupervised?

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                2. Pretty sure if there was a Tulpa groupie it would be sarcasmic. He’s the one that tried to have a date with him.

                  1. again, that actually happened

          2. Hey, I get as much credit as anyone for breaking Lying Jeffy.

            1. The guy is a bit of a credit hog.

              And, by the way, Jeff isn’t broken.

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              2. Ok Lying Jeffy.

                1. Ok, confession time. I, tulpa, am chemjeff.

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            2. That’s fair feel free to grab as much credit as you like

          3. Wait, who’s Eric, again?

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        2. Shh. You’re interrupting his knee-jerk criticism of anything appearing under the Reason banner.

          Why would someone spend all their time hanging out at a website just so they can whine about the writers. Everyone needs a hobby, even a pathetic hobby.

          1. You know what’s even more pathetic, Jeff?
            Whiteknighting for lazy journalists because you think it’s the progressive thing to do.

            1. Not really. I’d posit that it’s less pathetic to be hanging out on a website defending it when you actually like that website. I’m defending something I value, in contrast to spending my precious life’s minutes hanging out in someplace I don’t like.

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                1. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and I, in turn, will break others.

                  Tim Berners-Lee would be so proud right now…

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                  2. I really do care. I come here craving attention because, lord knows, I don’t get any irl. And now this guy is telling me he worships me. Makes me tear up.

                    1. “I come here craving attention…”

                      At long last, honesty from Tulpa!

                      Tulpa, if you would just QUIT gargling with pureed maggots mixed with your yeast-infected twat juice, maybe people would start paying POSITIVE attention to you!

                      Also, quitting all the empty-headed worthless nitwit trolling might help, as well… TRY it some time!

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                    3. SQRLSY One
                      June.13.2020 at 7:41 pm
                      “I come here craving attention…”

                      At long last, honesty from Tulpa!

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                      SQRLSY One
                      June.13.2020 at 7:41 pm
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                      At long last, honesty from Tulpa!

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                    5. To be honest, I’m not Tulpa. I stole his handle a long time ago.

                      I know stealing peoples’ handles is a crummy thing to do, but I really crave attention.

                      I’m a 55-year-old virgin who doesn’t know how to talk to girls, and not helped by my chronic B.O. I’ve tried everything, believe me.

                      So, I come here and I act like a jerk and it helps me cope with the loneliness. And John and Ken and Nardz and Sevo and Jesse, who normally get angry at trolls, like it when I troll libertarians who say critical things about Trump.

                      Honesty, I don’t get why they love Trump so much, but they give me the attention I crave.

                      And, honestly, you and DOL and chemjeff and JFree make really good arguments, but I know I can get attention by trolling you guys. Hope you don’t take it personally.

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                    7. “To be honest, I’m not Tulpa. I stole his handle a long time ago.”

                      I’m not the Evil One who spreads anger and hatred, I merely STOLE THE HANDLE of the Evil One! In order to do the same!!! Spread empty-headed anger and hatred!!!

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                      Glimpses of the Devil: A Psychiatrist’s Personal Accounts of Possession, Exorcism, and Redemption

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                    9. He is talking to me. I’m the guy who stole the Tulpa. You are a sucky disciple sometimes, Disciple Tulpa.

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                    11. To tell ya the truth, SQRLSY, it’s not always easy being me.

                      I kinda have a limited palette to work with. Sometimes I actually have a serious point to make but then I’d have to break character. And, you know, if I put myself out there as a serious person Nardz or JesseAz might not like me as much, because, honestly, they can be kinda mean and scary the way they gang up on anyone who doesn’t adore Trump.

                    12. And, SQRLSY, I’m betting you, like most guys, don’t have trouble talking to women, but I just get lost and tongue-tied. And I’m always self conscious of the Cheeto dust on my shirt.

                      It does help, though, that there is less stigma about being in Mom’s basement since the lockdowns. I can just relax and concentrate on my fanfic criticism and, of course, my trolling.

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                    14. Why does that confession look like it stopped having anything to do with Tulpa hours ago?

                    15. We all noticed that too.

                    16. “Larry Soanos”. So, obviously a sock puppet name. My disciple has been very bad, using sock puppets to speak against me.

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              2. You’re defending fuck all, and certainly not libertarianism.
                You don’t value Reason, you don’t give a shit about it. If you actually did you wouldn’t stand for all the lazy, bourgeois, JournoList crap being passed off as libertarian commentary.

                You’re actually white-knighting for shoddy writing solely because you think you’re fighting ‘Trumpism’ or something, and earning your fifty-cents.

                1. He’s fighting for sophistry as a valid form of argument. Intellectual laziness. That is what he is fighting for. It’s pretty pathetic lol.

          2. Man, I don’t even have to be in a thread to own your mind. Hilarious.

        3. And why is that a good policy?

      3. Boehm thinks more clearly than you, weakling.

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      4. “Boehm doesn’t think very well, does he?”

        FIFY

    2. I think it has more to do with WHO is paying for the largest portion of his pension, rather than whether he should actually get it. The fact that he gets to retire ten years earlier than other people might also play a factor in it.

      1. Sure, that stuff makes it rankle more but it doesn’t change the calculus.

        1. Of the trigonometry. (I made a mathematics joke. God, I’m lame.)

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      2. The only reason the public might be ‘paying’ for this retirement benefit in the future, is the further fiscal chicanery of state governments which have all failed to properly fund their future liabilities.
        For the rest of us, our ‘earned’ retirement benefits are earned precisely because cold hard cash is moved from our wallets to an investment account. Contrast with the bulk of public servant retirement plans, they are funded with paper wishes and unicorn farts, which the public will have to pay. And that is not Chauvin’s fault, but the fault of Minnesota politicians.

        1. Exactly.

        2. And those same feckless politicians will push all the blame for Floyd’s death off on ‘racism’ and not do the heavy lifting of actually reforming the contract between the police unions and the city…or throwing the unions the hell out.

          Of course the campaign contributions they get from that same Union has nothing to do with that decision. Or the way this dynamic allows them to keep both the police union AND the BLM protesters voting Democrat.

          *spit*

          1. Both sides my man, both sides.

            1. Oh, that’s right. We libertarians are supposed to side with the Republican Party and Trump because …

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                1. Sometimes I cry at night.

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              2. That’s not what I said, Lying Jeffy.

                1. Ha ha crying Jeffy owned you.

                  1. OMFG HOW ARE YOU STILL CRYING BROKENJEFF AHAHAHAJA

              3. What do you mean “we”? I’m not a Libertarian. I’m not a Conservative either, and I loathe the Fascist Left. I’m a Crank.

                I would LOVE to see the police unions disbanded for protecting thug cops (among other reasons). I think that whenever a cop (or a prosecutor) can be shown to have hidden evidence or otherwise broken the rules to get a convict, he should be looking at serious jail time. I think that qualified immunity should be based on a ‘reasonable man’ standard, so it would protect cops who did something wrong but understandable, and leave idiots dangling in the breeze.

                And I think that such reforms, while possible, will take a long time, and the War on Drugs would have to stop first.

                At the same time, I think that far too much leeway is allowed to ‘protesters’. You have a right to peaceably assemble. Peaceable assembly should not stretch to throwing dangerous objects, damaging property, and setting fires. Not even to burning flags, unless you get a fire permit; the typical burned flag is a beach-towel sized (or larger) sheet of petrochemical cloth that MELTS as it burns and sooner or later an errant wind is going to wrap some poor sod in flaming, sticky cloth and kill him.

                I think that since the 1970’s there has grown up a culture of Hobby Protesters; people for whom this is a pastime, like Civil War Re-enactment. They block streets, assault people, set fires, and generally get away with entirely too much.

                At least the MAGA types pick up after themselves.

                1. Pretty sure they hire janitors, but whatever.

                  1. SO YOURE SAYING THEY HIRED YOU BROKENEFF AHAHAHAHAHAH

                  2. You’re not fooling anybody. You tried to be like me because you worship me, but you don’t have my handle stealing skills.

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                    2. What’s wrong with being a janitor you fucking snob?

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                    4. Honestly, it’s more likely chemjeff is a chemist, you know, because it’s right there in his handle.

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      3. Hmm, assuming he goes to prison, does that count as an occupation for purposes of claiming retirement benefits?

        Do people that go to prison for life get Social Security and Medicare?

        1. They get it ALL: Free health care, food, lodging, clothing, vacations, and a guaranteed chance to work. Hmm. Prog heaven?

      4. Do prisoners get flooded with junk mail from AARP when they turn 50, like the rest of us?

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          1. How do you do that bold text? I have so much to learn from you, master.

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            2. I got owned by the guy who broke lc1789. I’m pathetic.

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    3. Cariol Horne was fired and lost her pension after she was fired for trying to stop an incident of police brutality.

      1. Well she was only fired once.

      2. That’s different. She sided with a peasant over a Blue Hero. You only keep your pension if you assault/murder a peasant.

        /s

    4. The way it works in Massachusetts is a crime committed in the course of his job, and then a hearing before the pension board, which he could then appeal to court. This is a stated policy and has been for decades — he knew it.

    5. Oh, I know exactly how I feel: I don’t care. Don’t. Fucking. Care.

      Here, I’ll make you a deal: he can keep his pension, but ONLY if he gets convicted. That way it’s of no use to him and he may as well not even have it at all. Sound good, brah? 😉

      1. OMFG HOW DO YOU CRY SO MUCH SOCK AHAHAJAJAJAJAAJ

        1. Jk I care

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          2. You, leaned to shit up threads from me. Adding “… and chemjeff” because you couldn’t figure out how to steal my handle – so sad.

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    6. What exactly is your mom lamenting, anyway?

    7. If he has kids, they are the one who stand to benefit.

  2. “Police in Minnesota contribute 11.8 percent of their own pay to the pension system every year. That portion is Chauvin’s money and should be returned to him. Police Departments, however, contribute 17.7 percent of each employee’s salary to the retirement fund too—and the public is on the hook for making up any funding shortfalls that might occur.”

    The idea that Floyd’s family should be free to sue the police who murdered him for damages is perfectly valid. The suggestion that people aren’t entitled to the benefits they earned per the terms of their contracts because they broke some unrelated law is unjust and childish.

    You’re not even planning to give this guy a trial–you just want to deprive him of his property without due process of law–because the taxpayers are on the hook–is that right? And you’re probably wondering why libertarians aren’t on board with this, too!

    1. Yes, that’s what I was trying to say above.
      Thanks Ken, for putting it succinctly.

      1. And both of you are putting words in Boehm’s mouth.

        1. Quit suckholing, Jeff.
          Boehm’s still not going to fuck you no matter how you whiteknight.

          1. Sorry to interrupt your whine-fest.

            1. Because you have the exclusive franchise?

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              1. Didn’t you say that exact same thing above, master?

                1. AHAHAHAHAHJA YOU CANT STOP CRYING BROKENJEFF AHAHAHAJA

                2. Yeah, but I think it’s really funny to repeat the same joke over and over again. Not as bad as that guy who makes the same joke about Koch every f’ing day.

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        2. “Police in Minnesota contribute 11.8 percent of their own pay to the pension system every year. That portion is Chauvin’s money and should be returned to him. Police Departments, however, contribute 17.7 percent of each employee’s salary to the retirement fund too—and the public is on the hook for making up any funding shortfalls that might occur.”

          Explain to me what this means. Why doesn’t it mean that this guy shouldn’t be allowed to collect his pension?

          I’ve stood up for the rights of terrorists not to be tortured. I think the right to free from cruel and unusual punishments extends to arsonists and rapists, too. I have little sympathy for murderous cops, but their contractual rights are just like mine. My rights shouldn’t arbitrarily be rescinded just because I committed a crime either.

          Because the family of George Floyd should have every right to sue the cops who murdered him for damages, that doesn’t mean anything and everything you want to do to those cops is appropriate, constitutional, or ethical.

          1. You’re not a sophist like Jeff and the others spamming here. They dont’ want intellectual consistency. They have a political narrative to fight. It’s pretty pathetic of them.

            1. It’s a shame none of them have run afoul of some murdering gang angers, or serial killers

      2. Ken never puts anything succinctly. Three or four paragraphs minimum.

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    2. The states that deny pensions do so once convicted.

      1. You told us you eat shit Old Mex.

      2. States administratively deprive government employees of their pensions whenever they’ve been convicted of a felony–regardless of whether the judge includes that as part of the sentence?

        Is this part of the union contract? Do you have a link?

        I’m not taking your word for it.

        1. How can a judge decide if someone gets their pension as part of sentencing? If I’m convicted of murder, can the judge really just arbitrarily decide that the state will claim ownership of my house as part of my punishment too?

          1. The idea that they lose their pension as part of sentencing for a crime that’s unrelated to the conditions of their pension makes more sense than the idea that they automatically lose their pension by fiat without due process. If it were a function of their union contract, that might make sense–but then I’d need to believe that these cities and states make their cops accountable in this one way but unaccountable in all the others. Why is this one way so different?

            The most plausible explanation is that the claim by “Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf” is coming out of his ass, and there are no jurisdictions with a law that deprives cops of their property without due process like he says. Maybe there really is something going on here, or maybe the way this has been handled for a long time is based on a bad decision. I’d need to see what he’s talking about, which is why I asked for a link. I’m not taking his word for this or anything else.

            1. Ken….I could see a ‘Goldman-OJ’ thing here. The Floyd family sues, wins, and takes Chauvin’s existing assets in a civil proceeding. I’d wager there is not a court in the land that would extend QI in this case. Not even the Nutty Ninth Circuit.

              1. RBG: “Challenge accepted!”

  3. “That only adds insult to injury for the family of George Floyd. Qualified immunity could prevent them from successfully suing Chauvin in civil court for compensation, but a small portion of their taxes will be used to pay for the killer cop’s retirement.”

    Perhaps blindly voting for the Democrats who enabled all of this was a mistake.

    1. You know the voting histories of Floyd’s family members?

      1. 92% of blacks vote Democrat. Call it an unbelievably high probability, son.

        1. That statistic, if true, is 92% of blacks who vote vote for Democrats. Regardless, you know nothing about his family members voting.

          1. AAHAHAHAHA HOW ARE YOU CRYING ABOUT THAT TOO

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          2. I don’t personally know if the rest breathe. Yet I feel comfortable saying they do.

            1. I’m guessing having Sharpton at the funeral is also a pretty good indicator of their politics as well.

              1. You are a whiny bitch.

                1. AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA NO ONE CARES WHAT YOUR MOM SAID TO YOU TO MAKE YOU CRY THIS MUCH BROKENJEFF AHAHAHAHAJAJ

              2. Basically. If you cannot call a family who has a race hustler and known riot causer speak at a funeral a Democrat, then you’re an idiot.

  4. Have you guys seen what the Minneapolis city council is doing?

    https://www.startribune.com/plan-would-put-removal-of-mpd-requirement-to-mpls-voters/571217412/

    As I understand the plan, they’re taking a vote on June 26th. They’re establishing a Truth and Reconciliation commission. They’re initiating a charter commission to change the city charter to allow for the annulment of the police department as its presently constituted, and then they’re initiating a new model of violence prevention. All of this is meant to be put on the ballot in November.

    I will make one prediction about all this. If they manage to make the November election in Minneapolis about whether or not have a police department, it will bring people to the polls who don’t usually bother. Yeah, disaffected Democrats who want an end to the police will show up more than they usually do, but everybody to the right of Representative Ilhan Omar who shows up to vote to keep the police department running is a potential Trump voter, too.

    They’re overplaying their hand again. It’s gonna bite them in the ass.

    1. Point being, plenty of would-be Trump voters in Minneapolis and elsewhere in Minnesota presumably don’t bother to vote because they know all the elections will be won by Democrats. Give them a real issue to vote on–like whether to dissolve the police department–and they’re suddenly taking off of work to go to the polls.

      1. The Trump voters are in the suburbs of the Mini-Apple. I don’t think they’ll be voting to defund the police anytime soon.

    2. So they’re admitting 40 years of Democratic rule has been an utter failure.

    3. Agree. Another factor in these elections that the media will not go near, is the thoughts of the Mexican community and small business owners, especially in Chicago, LA, TX, NYC. My Latino friends in western Colorado are absolutely stunned at the violence (most of them fled gang rule, extortion, rapes and violence making its way into poor, rural farming and ranching communties). Big cultural differences in those inner city communities.

    4. Council Member Jeremiah Ellison said he still expects to spend a year seeking feedback from residents

      Why not just ask his father, the State Attorney General?

      Their proposal would remove the police department requirement and create a new department “to provide for community safety and violence prevention.”

      “This new department, in honor of another famous son of Minneapolis,would be named ‘The Department Formerly Known as the Police Department’.”

      1. Well done.

    5. You can no longer use the phrase “B… them in the A..”, it is offensive to vegetarians and vegans.

    6. I’ll bet dollars to donuts that whatever happens on the 26th, the police union’s power will not diminish one iota. This is why I don’t take them seriously.

  5. Public sector unions. They’re the best.

    1. Winning!

  6. The Republican Party’s 2020 platform condemns the ‘current president’
    The Republican National Committee chose not to change its language from four years ago, keeping verbatim more than three dozen unflattering references to those in power at the White House.

    The New York Times @nytimes · Jun 11
    The Republican Party’s 2020 platform is exactly the same as its 2016 platform. That means it condemns the “current” president — who in 2016 was, of course, Barack Obama — and calls the White House a risk to “the survival of the internet.”

    1. Of course, unless I’m grossly mistaken, delegates to the national convention will be free to propose amendments to the platform, so this is all posturing and bluster for now. It’s unseemly the way the media loves to dine on Schadenfreude.

      1. ahahah remember when you stupidly thought betting involved theft?

        lol that was a hilarious pwn goal loololl

        1. When I thought betting involved theft? I don’t know who you think you’re making fun of, but it sure as hell isn’t me.

          Oh, I get it. You think I’m a sockpuppet. You’re just being your usual boring self.

          1. It was hilarious you were like “GOOD ONE!! GREAT BURN”

            and then I pointed out how stupid you were and now you realize I was right llololol

            And you tried so hard too!!!

            1. “but it sure as hell isn’t me.”

              AAHAH AND NOW YOU’RE LYING ABOUT IT AHAHAHAH

      2. It would be nice to see a split from the GOP that would pull all the real conservatives and conservatarians away into a new party. While also seeing an event or events that would allow for the elimination (in one form or another) of progressive de ocrats from the US.

        Then this country could be decisively fixed.

  7. Why wouldn’t he? A pension is an earned benefit. They’re a bad idea and should be illegal. But if you earned it for years of working, you don’t un-earn it in a single incident.

    Courts and juries decide if the family receives a damage award.

    1. If Boehm was libertarian he may have been concerned about unintended consequences here.

      1. Your concern for the sanctity or pension plans is just a tad disingenuous.

        1. I’ll bite Jeffy… How so? And do you even know how a pension is earned?

          1. You clearly just want to whine about Boehm because it’s like your hobby to hang out here and whine about Reason.

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              1. A Hihnian level of bold face and incoherence.

            2. You didn’t answer me Jeff, you dishonest, whiny fuck.
              How so? And do you even know how a pension is earned?

              1. Didn’t the article mention a percentage taken from his salary and a fraction added by the state? That is earned.

    2. It’s not like the guy can spend it while serving 20 plus years in the can.

  8. Wow, just wow..CNN actually reporting on defined benefit pensions and the taxpayer role.

  9. Yeah, I think I agree with those who say he shouldn’t lose the pension. Unless you think that he should pay back his entire salary from the time he was an officer, too. There’s no real difference between salary earned and pension earned.

    Also, don’t just blame qualified immunity here. If Floyd’s family can’t sue for wrongful death, that’s because of Minnesota law more than qualified immunity. It shouldn’t need to be a federal case in the first place.

    1. Yes, Yes — ^^^ THIS NEEDS EXPLAINED TO MORE PEOPLE… QI is but a Federal Deal. When a citizen cannot find justice within the State System. It really shouldn’t hardly ever be used. It’s basically asking the federal government to over-ride the state. Useful in rare occasions but hardly a problem without bad state actors.

  10. Really? even for Reason, this goes so far away from libertarianism as to astound.
    They guy earned his accrued pension. To quote the great philosopher and peacemaker Obama, “period”.
    He fulfilled his part of the contract, the government must fulfill theirs. It is called free markets.
    And the mind of Eric Boehm is evidently not free enough to admit that this (presumed) innocent man may not be found guilty. And even if found guilty is not facing the death penalty or even life in prison.

    1. I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to a law that allowed juries to assign some portion (which, depending on the situation, might range up to 100 percent) of a convicted felon’s pension to his victim’s family as restitution for their loss.

      1. Any reason his family can’t bring a civil suit for wrongful death?

        1. QI

  11. If he were to live to 78

    I don’t think he’s gonna make it.

  12. I hate these kind of stories about how this or that unspeakably vile person will somehow still have an income despite being an unspeakably vile person. If we think someone’s offenses mean they should starve to death in the street, we should write that into the law as the official punishment. If not, we should apply whatever punishment we do think is appropriate, and leave it at that, and not get outraged that it turns out the person isn’t going to starve to death in the street.

    1. How many stories like this do you see?

      1. OMFG YOURE STILL CRYING AHAHAHAAHAHAH

  13. He earned it. What years of service don’t rate anything? You punishment is supposed to be prison. This would be doubling his punishment. Losing your pension does not effect other people so why should it effect police.

    1. affect

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        1. Thank you for teaming up with me to shit up another thread. Together we can annoy the hell out of everyone.

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      2. infect?

  14. Do we as taxpayers pay all kinds of money to all kinds of people who really shouldn’t get it? I’m guessing that there are tons of felons on some form of public assistance. I can’t believe that there isn’t at least 1 rapist with a federally subsidized student loan.

    I’d love to see a piece of legislation that says that if you’ve murdered, or raped, or are a pedophile you are ineligible for welfare, medicaid, meidcare, social security…etc.

    1. I’d like to see a constitutional amendment criminalizing the practice of Marxism

  15. No more pensions for government workers!

    1. Remember when you got banned for being a pedophile?

      Everyone else does.

      1. Ok, the pedophile thing doesn’t seem to be breaking you. And even I am getting bored with it.

        Is there anything else I can use to break you?

        I really want to break someone else, so I can continue to get attention from JesseAz and all the other in the Trump mean girls gang.

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    2. I find the link amusing but don’t want to admit it I front of all the Trump fans.

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  16. It’s me! Tulpa! Shitting up yet another thread!

    1. AAHAHAHAHAH OMFG YOURE ACTUALLY A JANITOR BROKENJEFF THE JANITOR AHAHAHAHA

      1. What I really love is that now that you have been broken and you are my disciple, we can work together to shit up this whole website. It’s so fun to ruin this place for anyone who ever wanted serious discussion. Loving it!

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  17. “killer cop’s retirement.”

    I think we all agree on the circumstances surrounding George Floyd’s death, and the direct responsibility of the officer-involved. But this just isn’t quality journalism.

    1. Can’t expect much else from a Vox wannabe.

  18. Tulpa is the biggest piece of shit to ever post here. At least John, Mikey M, and Rufus (as stupid as they are) try to post constructive comments.

    Reason should just shut this fucking place down much like the Liberty Forum where I used to post was closed suddenly.

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    2. Working on it!

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    3. “Reason should just shut this fucking place down”

      Reason is forcing you to read and post.

      1. I’ve posted here since 2007. Maybe longer than anyone else here. I like the articles and writers (all of them) but the comment section is filled with conservative Trump trash.

        1. AND YOU CANT STOP CRYING ABOUT IT PEDO AHAHAHAAJAJAJAJA

        2. So that means Reason is forcing you to read and post.

          1. No, but I think he is just captivated by the quality of discourse here.

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        3. “I’ve posted here since 2007. Maybe longer than anyone else here. I like the articles and writers (all of them) but the comment section is filled with conservative Trump trash.”

          No, others have posted here longer.
          Further, by your own admission you’re a middle-aged, failed day trader with daddy-issues, a coke habit and an interest in kiddie porn.
          If you think a testimonial from a turd like you is something anyone wants, why, go endorse that hag who lost along with you.

          1. He still wants to eat that Hilldog taco. Fucking freak show is what he is.

    4. “…Reason should just shut this fucking place down much like the Liberty Forum where I used to post was closed suddenly.”

      Was that shut-down a result of your kiddie porn links, turd?

  19. Beware of the mobster HATE getting built here. Does anyone REALLY think Darik Chauven went to work and thought – I’m gonna go kill me a black man?????????????????

    Yes, he could’ve made a mistake of excessive force or perhaps not. That’s really for the judiciary to decide. BUT THERE REALLY ISN’T INTENT….. Are we going to hang everyone trying to do right JUST because something went wrong or perhaps while trying to do right got carried away with anger and insistence?? Does anyone even consider perhaps the world officers live in where 90% of defiance is intentional by the arrestee??

    GET A GRIP on this lynch mobbing.

    1. You go, girl! Without you, who would defend poor Chauvin.

      By the way, you don’t even know how to spell e name of the guy you are defending, but you sure know how to work that CAPS key. Holy moly.

      1. “the”

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      2. Everyone should to the extent the facts allow them to. Unless they want to be part of a lynch mob.

        1. Well the guy you’re talking to is obviously an imbecile. You can tell because his big plan was to use a name I discarded.

    2. And P.S. According to the coroners report – Floyd didn’t die of suffocation so right of the bat this article lies.

      1. True. For one of the coroner’s reports, at least.

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  20. Government employees, especially “public safety” employees, live for their pensions, like for nothing else in their worlds. Nothing would motivate them more to treat citizens with respect and do their jobs with diligence than to make their beloved pensions subject to civil rights suit judgements or disciplinary or criminal restitution.

    “Authority has always attracted the lowest elements in the human race. All through history, mankind has been bullied by scum.” – PJ O’Rourke

    1. “mankind has been bullied by scum”

      but enough about michael hihn and chemjanitor.

      1. You are doing pretty good, my disciple.

        1. AHAHAAHAH I NAMED YOYU AND YOU SHOWED UP CHEMJANITOR HAHAJAJAAJAJAJ

          1. I appreciate your enthusiasm, Tulpa Disciple, but I’ve been thinking it would be more effective to make fun of chemjeff when chemjeff is actually present.

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    2. But the cops are government workers, and if you end pensions for one group of government workers indicted for felonies then you have to apply it to all government employees, including governors, mayors and aldermen. Who do you think makes the laws? Beauracrats. Why would beauracrats, most of who are corrupt beyond comprehension to the average American, change a law that benefits them? Read my post below.

      1. Too true, and beyond those in government we need to add in the cronies that live by it. The composite group is a government class that has set itself up as a de facto aristocracy, exploiting Americans as serfs. Cops are, though, a special problem as the government class enforcers against us, without which the rest would be toothless leaches drying up for a lack of blood. Why everyone knows the Sheriiff of Nottingham, but hardly anyone recalls Prince What’s-his-name.

  21. Isn’t this like getting mad at the pit bull instead of the owner.

    Dude had 18 complaints and was carrying out the will of the city.

    After 17 attaboys why is this suddenly the act that gets him punished while his superiors go free?

    Burn the shit down.

    1. Exactly!

      This is precisely what is wrong with the entire “racist cop” angle that they always take. It eliminates the possibility of fixing the problem, because it defines the problem as “systemic racism” that you have even if you work hard not to be racist.

      Meanwhile, libertarians have had a suite of solutions to the broken system of incentives that create police abuse. There are probably 2 dozen position papers over at the Cato institute ready to go.

      But let’s not pay any attention to that. Let’s go listen to some 22 year old Communist Worker’s Party of America community activists. They’ll know what to do!

    2. I’ll bet dollars to donuts that whatever happens on the 26th, the police union’s power will not diminish one iota. This is why I don’t take them seriously.

  22. I’m in ATL for the weekend.
    They burned a Wendy’s down

    1. I’ve been to Wendy’s.

      They did the right thing for once.

    2. Got a text from a friend:

      “Turn on CNN… Atlanta burning”

      mistake.

      CNN is in full on “incite riot” mode.

      Watched a pair of videos of the match that lit the fire… a black motorist being arrested for DUI resists arrest, fights two police officers and wins. He gets one of their tasers in the scuffle and runs away.

      As he is fleeing he points the taser at the pursuing officer and appears to pull the trigger. Officer shoots him dead.

      The Atlanta mayor, being in a unique position to quell violence and calm things as a black woman – describes it as murder and calls for his firing.

      CNN, doing everything they can to calm things down, has several stories prepared about the “hero dad” that was killed, complete with pictures of the consummate family man. Careful to describe things like taking the taser and pointing it as “allegedly” and “the GBI claims that”… just to be accurate.

      I dunno… maybe I’m wrong about this, but I don’t think there’s ever been a case of someone fighting police, taking a weapon off of them, pointing it at them and getting shot where the following investigation did not find that the shooting was justified.

      1. And also, it’s like…a man was killed, so let’s burn down a Wendy’s? The fuck? Why punish the people who had jobs there? If this is where I think it is, I’d guess every single employee there is black. Just put them out of work for a few weeks, I guess?

        1. Pretty sure Wendy’s are franchises. This one might never reopen. And the people working there might not get another job for a lot longer than a few weeks.

          1. I’m sending thoughts and prayers. Keep that chin up.

      2. My friends are full on infected urbanites.

        Side note: I was woken up two hours ago by a drive by shooting 100 yards away from my friends new house where I’m sleeping. Shooting at edgewood Avenue and boulevard. Cops have just finished up with the scene, or have at least turned their lights off. Saw two loaded into ambulances, but twitter is saying 3 or 4 victims.

        2nd side note: there was a drive by earlier in a neighborhood called edgewood, 7 hit 2 dead. That was a separate incident a few miles away, not on edgewood Avenue

        1. Correction: not a drive by

      3. That mayor was rational in her response to the Minneapolis killing and the riots. Wha happened?

      4. You see, he just fell asleep. Going thru the drive thru is now a death sentence, they will hunt you down

  23. So we can’t even hope for a Budd Dwyer situation?

  24. The last three mayors of Baltimore, black female Democrats, each indicted on felonies and corruption, will also receive lifetime pensions of $80k a year. Beauracrats have a habit of screwing the tax payers, whether they be city cops or city mayors. Footnote, when a small group protested Baltimore’s city hall demanding an end to the luxurious pensions of mayors indicted on crimes, the Baltimore Sun labeled them racist. End of discussion….

    1. Amazing part about that is “have a job for 4 years… get paid $80k for life”.

  25. Very sad news, if the government is provides such a facility to this criminal’s racism will never end.

    https://attestationmea.com

    1. Racism won’t end until color identity is no longer a factor in political circles. Now which individuals think color is ALWAYS the ONLY factor in EVERY situation that arises?????????

      The so called Anti-Racists in this world have proven beyond any doubt they’re as racist as it comes.

  26. This entire situation strikes me the same way as the urgency to stop global warming.
    Warmists: The world’s going to end in 15 years unless we find an acceptable solution.
    Rationals: How about nuclear power?
    Warmists: Oh no, we can’t do that.

    Leftists: We need to reduce the power of the police.
    Rationals: Step one is to break the police unions.
    Leftists: Oh no, we can’t do that.

    This is why I don’t take them any more than I do Greta and Al Gore.

  27. CNN, in an appeal to cooler heads, is running this headline among their top stories:

    “Rayshard Brooks was killed a day before he planned to celebrate his daughter’s birthday”

    The lede:

    Rayshard Brooks’ 8-year-old daughter had her birthday dress on Saturday morning waiting for her dad to come pick her up and take her skating to celebrate her birthday, family attorneys say.

    Her dad never came home. He was shot and killed by an Atlanta police officer at a Wendy’s parking lot in Atlanta Friday night. Since then, the officer who shot Brooks was terminated and a second officer was placed on administrative leave. The Atlanta police chief stepped down from her position.

    This is excellent reporting in a time of great tension and social unrest. CNN is taking great lengths to ensure that no one gets the wrong impression about anything that might lead to violence.

    1. Careful in their use of language and skillfully avoiding inflammatory and inaccurate rhetoric, CNN helpfully posted this from “the family attorney”:

      The two had also spent time at an arcade Friday, family attorney L. Chris Stewart said.
      “We sat with (Brooks’ children) today and watched them play and laugh and be oblivious to the facts that their dad was murdered on camera,” Stewart said in the news conference.
      “A scene that we keep repeating as we watched Gianna Floyd play in Houston, oblivious to that her dad was knelt on and murdered. How many more examples will there be?”

    2. See the video? I think this guy stole the cops taser and was aiming the taser at the cops. CNN of course is fanning whatever flames of unrest they can find because they want another juicy violent controversial story to exploit. Free markets and all.

      1. Shouldn’t shoot a guy running away, but definitely not a cut and dry situation

        1. Certainly not. Once he’s running away, though, you’ve got to holster the weapons even if he’s got a taser.

          Honestly, some of this is just more fallout from Derek Chauvin’s evil. Many people have to be afraid that when police are cuffing them, they might just end up slammed into the pavement with a knee on their neck until they stop breathing. Getting arrested is never good, but it’s hard to blame people who fear the cops might kill them just because they’re being placed under arrest for DUI.

        2. When they stop running away, and point a weapon – – – –

    3. I guess driving drunk was his way of celebration prep.

  28. So if Chauvin has no pension (ignoring the problem with contract provisions), and he gets sued for some large amount wrongful death, who is going to be supporting him in old age? He is likely going to have to get a regular job which will have Social Security, which means Floyd’s family will be paying taxes for his retirement anyway, or do you want to take away any means for him to support himself financially permanently? If that is the case, the death penalty might be cleaner.

    1. You left off the wife. I think I heard she dumped him immediately after this happened… but she’s probably in line to receive half of the pension.

      So let’s make sure she has no means of support while he rots in jail. That’s smart.

      She probably gets health coverage too… we should make sure that she can’t get healthcare. Because no justice, no peace!

      I get being angry. I’ve been on this topic for a few decades, so I’m well familiar. But I don’t get the complete inability to put even a modest amount of reasonable thought into things.

      1. Exactly. His family didn’t kill anyone. She no doubt counted on that for retirement. If you want to eliminate public pensions altogether great, but until then you have to deal with these situations.

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      1. He’s so great that even the liberal protesters are demanding their Democratic Mayor be fired and Trumps Federal authority over-ride their own Democratic Mayor all the while protesting slavery and it’s supposed stigma in today’s society which was entirely originated as a Democratically fought institution.

        Registered Democrats, “I support liberal lefties because I am disgusted by everything they do.”??? WT????

      2. Squirrel talking about eating shit again. Must be a day ending in y.

  30. “If Chauvin were to be convicted of murder in Florida (or several other states), he’d probably be in danger of losing his pension. Instead, taxpayers in Minnesota will pay for his retirement even if he’s spending part (or all) of it behind bars.”

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  31. Yes he’s a horrible person. However, how does that mean that we can administratively steal his retirement fund? A fund that he put his money into and is legally owed.

    Even if he spends the rest of his life behind bars, his family may still need that money.

    A court may decide to make him pay a fine, but this is getting close to lynching territory.

    1. And Floyd was a saint released from prison in a 2007 for !armed! burglary as well as more than a couple of drug violations…

      1. So? He still didn’t deserve to get murdered in police custody. If there was a question if there was a fight, I might accept it as a factor, but we have it all on video. He was on the ground and choked.

        Do you also measure the skirt length of rape victims before deciding if the man should be punished?

        1. Floyd was so high on fetanyl and meth that he was fucked either way.

        2. #1. “murdered” use to involve intent – there was no intent.
          #2. “choked” usually infers strangulation. The cop didn’t strangle Floyd.

          #3. From all video’s I’ve seen there was no actual coverage of the police putting him in the car; and it’s been told Floyd resisted getting in the car.

          The duration without (10-min) any sympathy on Chauvin’s part while arrestee is not fighting I’d consider out-of-order perhaps even to the extent of serving time. But this whole “murderer”, “choking”, “brutality” just doesn’t hold water.

  32. TMT;DR

    (too many trolls; didn’t read)

  33. 50k a year… before any liability. Like support for his soon to be ex wife who filed for divorce hours after he was fired from the MPD.

  34. Wouldn’t matter if they could bring a civil suit and won. Retirement funds in some states can not be used in a civil ruling and even in the one’s where they can, there is a minimum threshold and I highly doubt $51K a year would qualify.

    See OJ Simpson’s civil case. The Goldman/Simpson families haven’t seen hardly a dime yet he draws a 1/4 million in retirement each and every year.

  35. Wher in the USA can this guy get a fair trial? Nowhere. He may set a new president on trial fairness. No fair trial possible, no trial.

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