Coronavirus

Public Health Measures Enforced by Violence Aren't as Healthy as Governments Pretend

When will Americans learn?

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Was it really just a few years ago that Americans started to agree that cops are too militarized, too in-your-face, and too likely to target people who can't fight back? When legal experts warned that law is always violent and cautioned that we needed to think twice before making rules to be enforced by armed police?

For a brief time, we seemed to be taking the dangers of official force to heart. Then the pandemic came along, and we started repeating all the old mistakes. Now, rulers and the public are learning, again, that it's unlikely you'll make the world a better place by twisting people's arms.

As COVID-19 spread across the country, and states and localities tightened the screws on what people were and were not allowed to do as part of efforts to limit viral transmission, politicians quickly went to their happy place: threatening people with violence for not doing what they're told.

"My message to the Jewish community, and all communities, is this simple: the time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups. This is about stopping this disease and saving lives. Period," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio threatened, infuriated that city residents weren't marching in lockstep to his dictates.

His soulmate in Chicago, Mayor Lori Lightfoot, took a similar tone. "Don't make us treat you like a criminal, but if you act like a criminal and you violate the law and refuse to do what's necessary to save lives in the middle of a pandemic, we will take you to jail. Period," she snarled in response to reports that some people continued to attend house parties.

Threats to arrest people for violating stay-at-home orders are especially ironic, given reports of rapid contagion in crowded jails and prisons. Mass imprisonment, it seems, isn't a great public health tactic.

Even before unhygienic cells enter the picture, arrests of social-distancing scofflaws are perilous, too.

Cops across the country busted people for "social-distancing violations" including hanging out with friends, playing with their children in public parks, and failing to wear face masks. Police in Brooklyn "cuffed a mother and pinned her to the ground" because her mask was around her neck instead of over her nose and mouth.

Everybody is potentially on the receiving end of such treatment, but cops always lean most heavily on the people they prefer to target—often members of minority communities who are less able to push back.

"Of those arrested, 35 people were black, four were Hispanic and one was white," The New York Times reported after a spate of especially brutal enforcement of rules allegedly intended (we were told) to protect people's health in New York City.

All of this, every bit of it, could have been predicted by anybody paying attention to discussions about laws and law enforcement over the previous decade.

"On the opening day of law school, I always counsel my first-year students never to support a law they are not willing to kill to enforce," Yale Law School's Stephen L. Carter wrote in 2014 after New York City cops killed Eric Garner during a confrontation rooted in suspicion that he was illegally selling loose cigarettes. "I remind them that the police go armed to enforce the will of the state, and if you resist, they might kill you."

Carter penned his piece as legal experts and journalists warned that the country has too many laws and too much law enforcement. An estimated 70 percent of Americans have committed a crime that could land them behind bars, Rutgers University's Douglas Husak wrote in his 2008 book Overcriminalization: The Limits of the Criminal Law.

The cops hired to put all of those Americans behind bars were increasingly trained and equipped more like an army of occupation than like keepers of the peace and are deployed accordingly, as former Reason staffer Radley Balko pointed out in Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces.

"We can see cops stopping and arresting people, roughing people up, and administering street justice. We think, 'Good. They're getting the bad guys off the streets,'" Balko commented at the 2017 Reason Media Awards ceremony. "What we don't see: The orders from mayors and senior officials in cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, and Chicago for police to initiate mass arrests, usually for petty offenses, sometimes for no offense at all."

But we are seeing that with a vengeance now, in terms of arrests of "bad guys" guilty of failing to put a bit of fabric over their faces, or of spending time with friends in defiance of edicts to the contrary. Of illicitly reopening businesses they hope to save, or of venturing out for sunshine and open air when politicians have commanded that they stay confined to their homes. In the name of public health, of limiting contagion, and saving lives, government issues edicts to be enforced by those who "go armed to enforce the will of the state."

That turns out to be not so terribly health-friendly, some officials belatedly concede.

"What we've been doing is we really are encouraging education and voluntary compliance," Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best said last week after discussing the risks of jamming people into jail cells where they're likely to get infected. "But we also know that we can't arrest our way out of a pandemic."

"Absent a serious danger to the public, NYPD will not take enforcement actions for failing to wear face coverings," Mayor Bill de Blasio announced after a flurry of videos of people having their health protected by cops grinding their faces into concrete. This, just weeks after he threatened mass arrests.

That's a welcome, though hardly universal, reversal among government officials whose go-to reaction is always to punish dissenters and force compliance with rules, even when that leads to a chain of worsening consequences. Maybe this time the contrast was too great between public health goals and decidedly unhealthy criminal enforcement. Flattening noses, after all, isn't synonymous with flattening the curve.

I'd like to think that we'll take a lesson from this and back away from a reliance on laws, orders, and edicts which must be enforced with violence that exacts a bloody toll of its own. More likely, though, the next crisis will yet again feature officials shocked—shocked!—that their efforts to impose their will have costs measured in violence, injuries, and death.

NEXT: The Value of a Vaccine

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  1. “Absent a serious danger to the public, NYPD will not take enforcement actions for failing to wear face coverings,” Mayor Bill de Blasio announced

    Aren’t we constantly being told that failing to wear face coverings *is* a serious danger to the public? I confused.

    1. Breathing without a mask is akin to attempted murder, according to some.

      1. The only good to come out of covid 1984 is exposing the statists around you. Not shocked at who went that route here.

        1. The statists were revealed when the bigoted border wall-builders and the big-government womb management fans came out of their basements for a last gasp of right-wing authoritarianism.

          Which last gasp is almost over.

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          4. “The statists were revealed when the bigoted border wall-builders and the big-government womb management fans came out of their basements for a last gasp of right-wing authoritarianism.”

            That’s an amazingly smelly and steaming pile of shit even for you! Congratulations, asshole bigot!

          5. It is so sad to see supposed libertarians revert to name calling. But M. Kirkland is correct when he posits that there is some hypocrisy going on here in terms of the moralists claiming to be conservatives. Conservativism, however, is based on a long view of finite resources. To the extent that a conservative views the population as a depletable resource, it follows that anti abortion measures might in fact be conservative… until you see the other side of the coin which is that the very act of engaging the machinery of government to enforce a high cost oversight program on private, personal reproductive decisions (regardless of how you look at them from a moral perspective, they ARE private AND personal) you deplete more of another scarce resource, and that is governance capital. With respect to border walls, it is ironic to say that on the one hand depopulation of the country is a problem warranting a hard line on reproductive choice, yet a source of population replenishment also must be cut off at the border. It is ironic but not hypocritical, as there is a peculiar moral hazard when it comes to the type of individuals who MAY be seeking to enter the country illegally. The moral hazard of exploiting a system where the sovereign who is providing for their welfare is not the sovereign to whom they own their life’s loyalty and diligent efforts to obey that sovereign’s laws, honor it’s cultural normal, and respect it’s society.

            So in terms of how the state should be operating, we can say quite simply that anyone who is not in favor of doing away with the broken machinery of government, an allowing impacted communities are allowed to weigh individual merit on a case by case basis, is a statist. But here’s the problem. These people who are calling names and cyber-bullying in these comments… these are the very people who would usurp the judgement of the community and bend it to a particular self-serving direction — either a moralist direction or one based on profiteering (e.g., keep out cheap immigrant labor to bolster inflated domestic wages). When you have an “educated” society (everyone here knows how to read and write and least!) capable of such idiocy, then the difference between being a statist and a libertarian is that in both cases we eat the crap sandwich, but in the case of the former, it’s the government bullying everyone, and in the latter, it’s the local sociopaths bullying the people who don’t advance their interests.

            1. Kirkland is never correct

            2. gd0g
              May.18.2020 at 10:59 pm
              “It is so sad to see supposed libertarians revert to name calling…”
              Also sad when they support lefty pieces of shit like the asshole bigot with lies.
              Liar.
              —————————–
              “…Conservativism, however, is based on a long view of finite resources…”
              You.
              Are.
              Full.
              Of.
              Shit.
              Fuck off and die.

          6. Bill Clinton was a bigoted border wall builder with Democrats in Congress that voted to build barriers along the border?
            In 1996, Congress passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act which, among other things,
            explicitly gave the Attorney General (now the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security) broad authority to construct barriers along the border and authorized the construction of
            a secondary layer of fencing to buttress the completed 14-mile primary fence.

          7. Do you have a front door on your house? Does it have a lock? Is it OK with you if anyone enters your home at any time, as they best see fit? Would you have a problem to find them in your living room watching your TV, while eating your food? Would it bother you to find them driving your car and sleeping with your wife?

            Of course it would.
            That’s why we all have doors and locks. That’s why people knock before asking for entry. That’s why we have the right of refusal (unless they have a signed warrant). That’s the whole idea behind private property.

            Nations are no different.
            As a matter of fact without an enforceable border, you really don’t have a nation. Rather you have an undifferentiated piece of territory open for claim by anyone who has the power to enforce that claim….and thereby ‘build a wall’, construct a door, assemble a lock.

            It is not bigotry to build a wall, a door, a lock….it is not hatred which leads one to require permission before allowing entry. It’s simple common sense founded upon the fundamental truth that YES, we do have the right to determine who can and cannot enter.

            But without a wall, a door, a lock….that right cannot be enforced. Heck, without a wall, a door, a lock, that right is invisible. It can’t be any other way.

          8. Oh man, I thought you were dead. Oh well.

        2. Thank you, Jesse, for coining that word, Covid 1984.

          I’m probably going to use it quite a bit, but I’m not likely to remember to give you credit for it. I don’t have the memory power that I once did.

          Anyway, thanks again! Stay safe.

          Dan

          1. I got it from a boss who was ranting about company policy slowly increasing mask policy. It was an apt description.

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          2. I can remember!

            The wise JesseAz, coiner of the term “COVID-1984,” still remembers the days when a handshake was a basic human rite.

          3. I second that I’m copying it

        3. covid 1984? WTF?

          1. It’s a very apt description.

        4. I used “covid1984” today
          I am indebted

      2. sort of like when a guy happens to be carrying a rifle with him in public and is accosted for attempted murder…. yet there is not one person with the range of that rifle… which cna project its bullet for two miles.

        Much like arresting that surfer on the beach in California… on a VERY large beach, and with NOT ONE PERSON anywhere near besudes the maskless coppers wanting to arrest him.. then take him to JAIL where there is NO “social distancing” possible.

        Yeah, it al makes a WHOLE lot of “sense”.

        IF THEY SAY SO……..

        1. Or like that lady who was stopped and cited for driving around her subdivision alone in her own car, on the pretext of a safety violation that then wasn’t even cited. Who needs a reason when you’ve got a good pretense?

        2. But if that guy is allowed to surf, someone’s granny is gonna die as a result. That’s just science (or at least my leftist friends assure me that it’s science, the scientists and doctors that I know, not so much).

    2. You confused?

  2. Iron fisted science saves lives.

  3. https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1262102710800666624
    Two months into mandatory government lockdowns, and so weird we haven’t seen any Antifa protests against fascism.

    1. They looked around and saw everyone wearing masks like them. Mission accomplished.

      1. They got what they really wanted all along. The government goons beating up all the people who AREN’T wearing masks.

  4. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/498184-newsom-says-federal-government-has-ethical-obligation-to-send-states?__twitter_impression=true

    “I hope they’ll consider this next time they want to salute and celebrate our first responders … consider the fact that they will be the first ones laid off by cities and counties,” Newsom said.

    1. Newsom said lawmakers have a “moral and ethical obligation” to help Americans across the country.

      It would be funny if this precipitated a Congressional request for his recall.

      1. If only he took that view of their responsibilities when there isn’t a pandemic going on.

        He’s come a long way from being the rich kid who decided to run for office because the city fined him for not having a mop closet in a completely carpeted wine store. In some alternate universe where acceptance of left-statist dogma isn’t a prerequisite for participation in the area’s one-party political system, he might have actually grown into something of a libertarian.

  5. “For a brief time, we seemed to be taking the dangers of official force to heart. Then the pandemic BLM came along”

    FTFY

    1. Goddamn, thats some desperate deflection

    2. Meh, some/most of the BLM people are idiots (standing in traffic, screaming everything is racists) but criminal justice reformers were still making headway with the First Step Act and Trump’s pardons, in his first term at that.

    3. Just to be clear here, we ARE talking about the Bureau of Land Management and their fascist ways, right?

      1. that’s how I took it.. they NEED to be marginalised. No, I got that wrong. They NEED to be vapourised. Or at least the individuals getting paychecks from thatillegal Department.

  6. As much as this annoys me, I’m more annoyed that many citizens support the police to crack down on social distancing. This is what the snitches want. It reminds me of reading about North Korean policies and neighbors snitching on each other for little things such as listening to a radio, not showing enough emotion towards their leader, etc.

    Perhaps we can send the snitches to North Korea where they will be in their comfort zone.

    1. People love to rat out those who are having more fun than they are. It makes them feel better about how miserable they are by stamping themselves as a hero.

      1. Needs a ^ tab. Exactly.

    1. Let’s hope so.

      1. Lets hope also when the government starts pulling their licences that business owners around the country realize you don’t actually need them to operate either. Insurance companies will be the hardest to get on board but my hope is they will be so inundated with bull shit CV-19 claims that they join in on the American Revolution 2.0.

    2. I prefer to keep jersey shore folks in jersey.

  7. If the measures are not enforced by violence, then they are not public health measures. That is what the government does; tells people to comply with edicts and uses violence on them if they don’t. If you are not comfortable with that, then you should not want the government involved at all.

    So the problem here isn’t that the government is enforcing public health measures with violence. The problem here is that those health measures are no longer important enough to justify using violence to enforce them. If you have a problem with someone being sent to jail for doing something, then don’t run to the government and ask it to try and stop it. It is really that simple.

    1. Does it make a difference in your mind if the “law” being enforced is an executive decree? Just asking.

      1. Let me explain it to you again. Do you want the government involved or don’t you? If you do, then understand it is going to involve violence and throwing people in jail. If you don’t like that, then you don’t want the government involved. And the law in question being passed by the legislature rather than being a decree really doesn’t make it any better.

        1. And I’m just asking you about your opinion.

          1. No it doesn’t make a difference, if the law in question is not worth enforcing with violence. I don’t know how much clearer I can make that. This wouldn’t be okay if it were done with the legislature.

            1. No it doesn’t make a difference, if the law in question is not worth enforcing with violence.

              Do you mean if the law (or decree) is not worth enforcing with violence, in your opinion?

              1. What the fuck kind of sophistry are you going for here?

                1. He’s trying to beat trueman in the lefty hidden agenda contest.

            2. ‘if the law i question”… very few to none of these edicts to which you refer as “laws” are really “laws”. ONLY a federal or state legislature can MAKE LAW. Anyting else is somewhere between wishful thinking and tyrants flexing their “Im the Head PoohBah and I say So and if You Do Not Comly I will Have my Minioins Take You to JAIL where you will almost certainly contract the very disease you are accused of spreading, and we all know people in jail do NOT get proper medical care. WHY should they? They are “criinals and thus sub-human. I have spoken this it is so. Deal.

              King George Three did far less, and he got his sorry excuses of governors and soldiers kicked out of North America pernanently. Oh they tried again some twenty years on to tke it all back again. But they had not accounted properly for the strength of them dam Yankees……. and got their gehinds kicked out again, one group of them getting thus trounced AFTER the war was officially ended.

        2. I just want to know if you think people should always submit to government force if they think the government should be involved in something, but the government involvement didn’t quite follow the normal rules or procedures, thereby making the rules being enforced illegitimate in the eyes of the person who would otherwise want the government to be involved. (It looks like I have to add the caveat that I’m not talking about myself.)

          1. This reads as if there’s a subtext which required very specific wording of the question in order to keep it hidden.
            Why don’t you ask the question you have in mind?

          2. God, enough dissembling.

          3. NO I do not think that. Why would think that I do. There is nothing in my comment that could reasonably be interpreted as my saying that people should always submit to violence imposed by the government.

            You clearly didn’t understand my point and I am frankly tired of trying to explain it to you.

            1. And we are tired of trying to discern it. Let it be known that John here is a depraved bootlicker and slaver.

              He is the ilk that woodchippers feed on.

    2. The problem here is that those health measures were never important enough to justify using violence to enforce them.

      FTFY.

  8. https://twitter.com/GovMikeDeWine/status/1262448352102408194
    They will issue administrative citations that could result in the revocation of liquor licenses. Further, we will work with municipal prosecutors to take potential criminal actions against these bad actors.

    1. DeWine is a coward.

      1. I’m in Cincinnati. Mike Dewine (R) is an outright piece of excrement. Even prior to the corona death dance. Increased gas tax 11%, requiring licensure and fees for tattoo artists, and vetoing the legislatures attempt to limit the absolute power of Dr. Amy Acton (the Ohio Fauci)

        1. Bite your tongue! Dr. OverreActon is a hero! Maybe not to the million plus she forced onto unemployment or the millions more that are underemployed, but all the simulated lives she saved are forever in her debt.

          Hopefully she has a plan for when the state’s unemployment fund runs out in two weeks.

  9. Queue the usual crowd to call this racist because there are white people on screen.

    https://twitter.com/KeeleyFox29/status/1262391872678395905
    Update:Just now a local Bellmawr Police Lieutenant walked up to front door& owner of Atilis Gym&said “You’re all in violation of Governor’s executive order. That being said stay safe&have a nice day.” And walked away&crowd of supporters let out a loud cheer ⁦

    1. The same people so quick to jump up and call anything and everything racist are now pulling the “no true fascism/totalitarianism” card.
      Widespread violence really is the only answer

  10. I can never get a straight answer. Are the lockdowns about defeating DEATH PLAGUE 2K19 or just making sure the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed? Because every time I point out that the lockdowns don’t seem to be doing squat in containing the virus (perhaps because bandanas, surgical masks, and other random face covers that aren’t N95-grade masks don’t meaningfully impede virus transmission) I get told that it’s really about reducing strain on the hospitals, but when I point out that hospitals are all fucking empty because people are afraid of catching DEATH PLAGUE 2K19 at them I get told that the lockdown is about defeating the virus.

    It all seems to endlessly circle the “FYTW”-drain that every jackbooted slaver dreams of.

    1. The lockdowns are about conditioning the citizens to accepting any old kind of bullshit at all from executives who have learned to pronounce the phrase ’emergency order’.

    2. You cannot prove the negative.

      It is not possible to say what would have happened had nothing been done.

      There is more than intuitive sense in public health in isolation, quarantines and sanitation. It is many centuries old. Yet we know it has limits. You cannot impose upon people very much.

      The Antonine Plague.

      1. “You cannot prove the negative.
        It is not possible to say what would have happened had nothing been done.”

        So you have no evidence at all to support your claims.

        1. Hey man, don’t let a bunch of facts get in the way of what top men tell you you just instinctively know is right!

  11. But these ‘rulings’ are just ‘strongly suggested’, right?

  12. The appeal to the simple of reducing everything to a simplistic good guys versus bad guys story is immense. Sometimes, though, they are all bad guys.

    We have always had those who wantonly exposed others to deadly contagions for their own petty and / or pecuniary interests. Most infamously in America were Typhoid Mary the cook that spread typhoid to many diners and David Mangum the AIDS spreading truck stop prostitute. We, now, have wanton C-19 spreaders and wannabe spreaders following in those infamous footprints. New, though, is that they are excused and encouraged by many from Trump on instead of being universally condemned. Bad Guys.

    Politicians and bureaucrats using any excuse to grab power or to cover their earlier failure by a subsequent misuse or overuse of power is a feature not a bug. Bad Guys.

    Police misusing, abusing and corrupting their authority is no less frequent than ever; and, with the recent pro-authoritarian (Coincidence of, now, being headed by an almost life-long always authoritarian Democrat?) and even more pro-police than before shift in the Republican Party, they have increasing license and incentive to so do. Bad Guys.

    1. “…We have always had those who wantonly exposed others to deadly contagions for their own petty and / or pecuniary interests. Most infamously in America were Typhoid Mary the cook that spread typhoid to many diners and David Mangum the AIDS spreading truck stop prostitute. We, now, have wanton C-19 spreaders and wannabe spreaders following in those infamous footprints…”

      Find an actual equivalence and try again.

      1. Oh, and I missed your obligatory steaming pile of TDS shit:

        “…New, though, is that they are excused and encouraged by many from Trump on instead of being universally condemned…”

        What a pathetic piece of shit. Stuff your TDS up your ass; your head needs company.

  13. We should all be taking notes as to how our politicians have reacted to this issue. I hope some states and cities will see some new faces in political power positions soon.

    1. Elections this year are going to be awesome.

  14. The psychopath always says “Look what you made me do to you”. Leftist leadership has great appeal to Psychopaths.
    Quote Mayor Lighfoot
    ” “Don’t make us treat you like a criminal, but if you act like a criminal and you violate the law and refuse to do what’s necessary to save lives in the middle of a pandemic, we will take you to jail. Period,”
    (There is no proof required that the law will save anonone especially when they are forcing Covid infected persons into Seniors homes.) It’s like they are saving people from not getting it

    1. “Don’t make us treat you like a criminal, but if you act like a criminal and you violate the law and refuse to do what’s necessary to save lives in the middle of a pandemic, we will take you to jail.”

      Please cite the law in question that prohibits what people were doing.

      Will they be taking you to jail for doing that? Or are you more equal than others?

  15. Balko shouldn’t speak or write about excess force ever again, given his wholesale support of shutdown measures (not to mention disdain for those who opposed them), which, as a commentator above points out, could not have happened without the threat of . . . excessive force.

  16. There are no public health exemptions to our Constitutional Rights. When you order a sick person to stay home, it’s a quarantine. When you order millions of healthy people to stay home, it’s mass house arrest. That is a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment – “nor shall any person… be deprived of life, LIBERTY, or property, without due process of law” If they held 300 million hearings before a judge, I didn’t hear about it and I sure missed mine.

  17. This is just another example of how libertarianism fails.

    They need to see it right in front of them before they believe it and start taking action. They need to see the piles of bodies for themselves.

    By then of course, it’s too late.

    1. What piles of bodies? Show me where they are.

      1. See, he didn’t personally see the refrigerated trucks filled with bodies in NYC, so he doesn’t consider it a threat.

        1. Funeral homes stored about 50 bodies in refrigerated trucks. Not piles of bodies. Fifty. Not in the street. In trucks.

          1. Even still, that was NYC. In no way is that city representative of the rest of America. Nowhere else do we have that many people packed into that small of a space. What’s good for NYC is not necessarily good for Iowa or Texas or Utah or South Carolina…

            1. I would also question to specific issues:
              1) There is a claim that the city officials required nursing-home patients to be returned to those homes from hospitals; if true, that is pretty much guaranteed to be an infection- (and death) multiplier.
              2) I want to see the guidelines defining death from the flu.
              Suffice to say, absent some solid explanations, no statistician is going to accept one metropolitan area as the locale of 25% of the national cases and deaths.

      2. Truly. We could have taken no action at all and been better off than we are now.

        Government screws up everything it touches. I don’t want it getting involved in anything more than what it does… well, of course, I don’t want it involved in most of that either. Government doesn’t solve problems… it is the problem.

        1. I so agree

    2. So the problem with libertarians is that they do not believe everything the media tells them?

    3. GenoS
      May.18.2020 at 6:01 pm
      “This is just another example of how libertarianism fails…”

      This is just another example of a lefty lying.

  18. If they all just did what they were told, there wouldn’t be any need for the government to get violent.

    Civil disobedience is still disobedience.

    Bonk, bonk on the head!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSIXFlOPeH4

  19. 100,000 fatalities are not enough for you?

    1. Lorensacho
      May.18.2020 at 6:42 pm
      “100,000 fatalities are not enough for you?”

      Did you have a point?

    2. Enough for what?

    3. Not when weighed against 36,000,000 people unemployed and several times more underemployed.

      1. Or the psychological damage done to an entire species, who now view their fellow human beings as diseased and run around in ineffectual designer pieces of cloth in order to feel “safe”—not to mention passing this along to their children in a terrible nationwide explosion of Munchausen’s.

  20. “Public Health Measures Enforced by Violence Aren’t as Healthy as Governments Pretend”
    And, just when would violence be healthy”

    1. Debating the value of the initiation of violence, threats thereof, in a specific case, while accepting the political paradigm as such, is a big mistake. Even if the result is beneficial in a given case, it cannot be used to justify the worldwide coercive political monopoly presently destroying humanity, sacrificing rights to socialism, authoritarianism.
      The choice is not obey or die, it’s disobey or live enslaved. Most choose to obey, living a life not worth living. Will they wake up and grow up politically? Will they get up, stand up, for their rights?

    2. Now.
      Targeted at leftists and technocrats

  21. Debating the value of the initiation of violence, threats thereof, in a specific case, while accepting the political paradigm as such, is a big mistake. Even if the result is beneficial in a given case, it cannot be used to justify the worldwide coercive political monopoly presently destroying humanity, sacrificing rights to socialism, authoritarianism.
    The choice is not obey or die, it’s disobey or live enslaved. Most choose to obey, living a life not worth living. Will they wake up and grow up politically? Will they get up, stand up, for their rights?

  22. The left isn’t really concerned about police overreach, just as they never cared for abused women when they accuse democrats. It’s all about politics and fetish on racial issues.

    Since most of the shutdown protesters are white and nominally “pro Trump”, they will receive no sympathy from the media. If a cop arrests a mother for playing with her daughter at an empty playground, it becomes some muted local news. A republican governor urging citizens to snitch on undocumented aliens would be derided as the next Hitler, but if Blasio does the same on social distance violators and threatens Jewish communities, it will go unnoticed.

    What more can be said? Half the nation is incapable of perceiving injustice if it doesn’t involve race or gender. The FBI lied to put surveillance on a political opposition, and the media barely raised an eyebrow. The left thinks the shutdown is noble cause to save grandma’s life that’s worthy of sacrifice. They were, and always will be, collectivist. Their obsession on race is ethnocentrism, not individual autonomy.

  23. You know who else used”hygiene” laws to control the people?????

  24. Who here recalls the film with Lee Majors where he is being interrogated about being caught visiting an old junk yard. The administrator tell him he could go to a “you could be sent to a rehabilitation center”. And he responds “for breaking the rules.” And she says “LAWS, Mr. Heart”.

    And then is the line that captures just exactly where our society already was before the pandemic … everything from so-called private institutions paralyzed by fear of litigation begging for a government standard to hide behind, to home-owner’s associations trying to throw around contractual leverage to reach into private individuals pocketbooks:

    “LADY, YOU GOT TOO GOD DAMN MANY LAWS”

    https://youtu.be/BPfiSn6YTbM?t=823

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  26. Gosh, I like telling people what to do, don’t you?

    Doesn’t everybody?

    Sadly, until now, hardly anyone ever listened.
    Even my little kids would sometimes ignore me…or, if not ignoring exactly, would NOT do EXACTLY what I told them to do when I told them to do it! And my wife always tended to giggle when it happened (and she, herself, hardly ever OBEYED (heck, she even had the Priest take that ‘obey’ right out of the ceremony!).

    Yes indeed, it was dismal time when no one listened.

    Thank God for the Virus, though!
    Now I get to tell everybody what to do! It’s for their own good, don’t you know!

    “Then Yertle the Turtle was perched up so high,
    He could see fourty miles from his throne in the sky!
    “Hooray!” shouted Yertle. “I’m the king of the trees!
    I’m king of the birds! And I’m king of the bees!
    I’m king of the butterflies! King of the air!
    Ah, me! What a throne! What a wonderful chair!
    I’m Yertle the Turtle! Oh, marvelous me!
    For I am the ruler of all that I see!”

    You’re essential, I say, and you’re not, and not you!
    Open this and not that, with a mask and gloves too.
    Social distance, social distance — and I say how far.
    Everyone’s required to wash hands,
    Meet the HandWashing Czar!

    So how can we be surprised that WuhanV, while masking all the rest of us, has equally UNmasked every petty little tyrant out there, so solemn in their self-righteous certainty? How can we be surprised to discover that ‘Their Plan for Mother-May-I’ which began with only Phases 1, 2, and 3….has now morphed into Phase 1.3.7A…. 1.3.7B….1.3.7C….etc etc

    It’s fun to have fun (telling people what to do), you just have to know how!! And boy, do I know how! (also when, and what, and where, and why! Just ask me!)

  27. DeBlasio is the criminal after waiting weeks to announce a lockdown in the city with the greatest number of highly susceptible people, he precipitated the most rapid rise in contagion seen in the US (perhaps in the world) . Now five weeks later the rate in NY is down to pre-lockdown levels. BUT that level is still twice the rate of that in CA which has twice as many people.

  28. I think many believers will be asking if it was all worth it once we get passed this and the hindsight glasses come on.

  29. We need more policemen and policewomen like this guy who are willing to hold the line:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edmVoHqjdJI

    He was shown on the GBeck special last nite.

  30. This is a silly article.
    What next?
    Get rid of the Thought Police, the Mask Police, and the Social Distancing Police?
    What kind of insane rant is this?

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