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Trump Wants to Target Iranian Cultural Sites, Says His Tweets Shall Serve as Notice to Congress

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Should Iran retaliate for an American drone killing commander Qassem Soleimani last Friday, the U.S. will start targeting Iranian "cultural sites," said President Donald Trump. "Iran has been nothing but problems for many years," the president tweeted on January 4.

"Let this serve as a WARNING that if Iran strikes any Americans, or American assets, we have targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD."

When asked about this comment, Trump again expressed an intent to go after cultural sites, saying: "They're allowed to kill our people. They're allowed to torture and maim our people. They're allowed to use roadside bombs and blow up our people. And we're not allowed to touch their cultural site? It doesn't work that way."

Destruction of cultural heritage sites and artifacts is opposed by the U.N. Security Council. The council—of which the U.S. is a permanent member—in 2015 condemned "the destruction of cultural heritage in Iraq and Syria … whether such destruction is incidental or deliberate, including targeted destruction of religious sites and objects."

And condemning destruction of cultural sites and objects goes much further back than that. As the Los Angeles Times points out, the Hague Convention of 1907 said "all necessary steps must be taken" to spare "buildings dedicated to religion, art, science, or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals, and places where the sick and wounded are collected."

And the Geneva Convention states that "any acts of hostility directed against the historic monuments, works of art or places of worship which constitute the cultural or spiritual heritage of peoples."

Acts such as these are considered by many to be a war crime, and a lot of U.S. media has been condemning them as such, as have some Democratic politicians. "Targeting civilians and cultural sites is what terrorists do. It's a war crime," tweeted Sen. Chris Murphy (D–Conn.).

"The President of the United States is threatening to commit war crimes on Twitter," said Rep. Ilhan Omar (D–Minn.).

Trump also announced over the weekend that his tweets shall serve as official notice to Congress of his intent to engage in military action against Iran.

"These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner," Trump tweeted on Sunday evening.

Rep. Justin Amash (I–Mich.) says all that needs to be said on this one:

But for the record, here's how the House Foreign Affairs Committee responded:

Quippy principles from Democratic leaders ring hollow, however, when party members in Congress have repeatedly voted against measures to rein in presidential war powers or require more congressional oversight.

Trump's dangerous Twitter tantrums come as Iranian people have been pouring out in mourning over Soleimani, ("for now, Iran is united—in anger at the United States," says The New York Times) and the Iraqi parliament has voted the U.S. military out.

Owing to that last bit, Trump has started threatening Iraq again.

"If they do ask us to leave, if we don't do it in a very friendly basis. We will charge them sanctions like they've never seen before ever. It'll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame," the president said.

Meanwhile, it hasn't taken long for the administration's justification for murdering Soleimani to start unraveling. Trump and company initially insisted that Soleimani's death was necessary because he posed an "imminent" threat to American citizens and was planning an upcoming attack that would cost hundreds of U.S. lives. But a range of administration officials suggest that Trump's political image was the only thing under imminent threat. The option of attacking Soleimani had been floating around as a potential (but not optimal) plan for months.

In other Iran developments, Eric Boehm reports:

The Pentagon has approved plans to send 3,000 more troops to the region. But the debate over the next steps must now shift to Congress, as the Constitution demands. Sen. Tim Kaine (D–Va.) has announced plans to introduce a war powers resolution in the Senate, forcing a debate over whether the U.S. should go to war with Iran or place limits on Trump's ability to engage in hostilities.

On Sunday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) announced a resolution similar to Kaine's would be put forth in the House.

Also on Sunday, Iran announced that it would be pulling out of the 2015 nuclear deal that the Trump administration pulled the U.S. out of in 2018.


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  1. Should Iran retaliate for an American drone killing commander Qassem Soleimani last Friday, the U.S. will start targeting Iranian “cultural sites,” said President Donald Trump.

    For President Trump that means Iran’s gold bathroom fixtures factories.

    1. Hello.

      Even in hyperbolic rhetoric, cultural sites should be off the table. Even the Germans didn’t go that far during the war. They preferred to loot things. Particularly in Italy.

      But like usual, the media meets the hyperbole with a mix of hyperbole and hysteria.

      1. Even the Germans didn’t go that far

        Read a history book!

        1. Yeh….I over stepped myself there.

      2. I cant be concerned over outrage from a group who is openly trying to destroy american cultural objects from war statues, to religious symbols, to Columbus statues etc.

        1. That was my reaction. He can’t tear down a few statues of people who were undoubtedly bad guys, maybe even slave owners?

        2. Just think of all the American cultural objects you fascists have prevented from ever existing in the first place.

          1. That doesn’t make any sense

        3. Poor mpod he is confusing Socialists and Monarchies with Libertarianism again.

    2. It is amazing to me how Reason is constantly ig boring who Soleimani actually was, ie the commander of a designated terrorist group in the Qud Force.

      1. #Resistance

      2. It is amazing to me how shameless you are? Remember the other day when you claimed the Iraqi PM’s own words didn’t constitute a statement from the Iraqi government?

        Iraqi Parliament Votes to Expel US Forces:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVq_LbPfx3w

        Also a SOFA like agreement still exists, they just call it a “Strategic Framework for Cooperation” or some other Orwellian nonsense since the word “SOFA” became a political 3rd rail in Iraq. Imagine believing the US could or would park forces inside another country without so much as a fucking MoU.

        1. Wait… so first you’re admitting you were wrong and I was right. Fucking hilarious. And then you dont bother to actually read the parliamentary bill which was a toothless non binding resolution as proof you were wrong? Fucking hilarious. The vote totals were also only shiites backing it.

          Fucking hilarious.

          1. JesseAZ is ALWAYS right… In his own mind!

            See https://reason.com/2020/01/01/trumps-inartful-dodges/#comment-8068480

            JesseAZ is TOTALLY on board with dictatorship (presumably so long as it is an “R” dictator that we are talking of).
            With reference to Trump, JesseAZ says…
            “He is not constitutionally bound on any actions he performed.”

            Jesse, if at least you could couch things honestly! “JesseAZ WANTS a Trumptatorship, Jesse hates the stupid Constitution, Jesse thinks we’d be better off under Orange Man’s Unlimited Powers, Jesse AZ-also thinks his support of the Trumptatorship will allow JesseAZ to share in the resulting pussy-grabbing fest… Whatever it is that is REALLY in your head! Context and phrasing matter! If you said THIS IS WHAT I WANT, at least you’d be HONEST! But no, you say…

            “He is not constitutionally bound on any actions he performed.”

            Then you expect people to believe the lies that you post! I, for one, am not fooled!

            1. You are white knighting one of Jeff’s socks? The Walter Mitty one that pretends to be some sooper secret stealth ninja warrior?

              Totes credible.

          2. JesseAZ, your support of Trump will NOT allow you ANY guarantees of ANY spoils of pussy-grabbing under the Trumptatorship! He will throw you under the bus with even ANY hints of an excuse!

            THIS (above) is a central lesson to be learned here!!! So many of us fantasize that our support of those who we think is (or will be) the “winner” will earn us the support of the “winners” and their spoils.
            See “the night of the long knives” at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives… Ernst Röhm (head brownshirt, street brawler, for Hitler) thought his support of Hitler would leave him sitting pretty. So sorry, Ernst Röhm, Hitler had another thing coming for you…
            Right here on Reason.com comments, we see the same thing. The “brownshirts” of the commentary (Shitsy, Nards) try to brownshirt their enemies off of the comments board, tell their enemies to commit suicide, and other “street fighting”. They, I suspect, expect payback (war spoils) from “winning” Orange Hitler, just as Ernst Röhm did from “winning” Hitler.
            They and their ilk, too, have another thing coming… Orange Hitler will throw them under the bus, the VERY first instant that Orange Hilter finds it to be convenient to him… Just as Shitler-Hitler threw Ernst Röhm under the bus!

            1. You’re still broken.

              1. And you’re still lying!

                Have you tried to test your theory yet… In the REAL world, not in Jesse’s crippled and deluded mind… That “words can’t be crimes”? Threatened any elected officials yet? You posting these posts from your jail cell, as a result, jailbird?

                Jesse made his bed,
                Jesse made his bed,
                Lie in it, Jesse!
                Lie in it!
                (I know, I know, Jesse… You’ll keep right on doing it, whether anyone cheers you on, or not… And your vastly over-fed ego makes you UTTERLY incapable of EVER admitting error!)

        2. No, you dumbshit, they didn’t “vote to expel”. The actual resolution, passed almost entirely by Shiite parliament members–nearly all of the Sunni/Kurd members didn’t even bother to show up and vote–was simply to “ask” the government to implement a new SOFA and remove all foreign military forces from the country.

          Not “vote to expel”–“ask” the government. JFree tried passing this off yesterday and ended up looking like a reactionary idiot when the actual details came out.

          1. The ‘actual details’ were no different than I said. And if you had a clue you would understand that Trump’s threatening Iraq with sanctions if they implement that resolution indicates that the resolution was actually meaningful – not meaningless.

            1. Poor Jfree caught lying again.

              I mostly ignore sock trolls like him but its funny when regulars unload both barrels on his lying.

            2. Trump’s threatening Iraq with sanctions if they implement that resolution indicates that the resolution was actually meaningful – not meaningless.

              No, it means that the resolutions are meaningless unless they are acted upon.

              Is English not your native language?

            3. Oh no, not sanctions!

            4. And you pointedly left out the “actual details” until others did it for you.

      3. Qud force sounds like a 4chan meme

    3. “Trump’s dangerous Twitter tantrums come as Iranian people have been pouring out in mourning over Soleimani, ”

      ENB also somehow missed the many Iranians openly celebrating his death with cakes and social media posts. But because wapo osnt covering it, it doesn’t exist in her world. Just pathetic. Keep the tears up Reason.

      1. Iran would be a FREE MINDS AND FREE MARKETS kind of place if it weren’t for Trump.

      2. Trump the liberator!

        All hail the most glorious libertarian dictator to ever declare war unilaterally! All hail the most glorious twitter poster of war crimes!

        1. Lol. God you’re a fucking joke. Keep bowing to the iranian authoritarians. Proves you’re good or something.

          1. Opposing ANY USA policies (or favoring ANY faction of pro-peace or pro-self-restraint, anti-infinite-war USA politicians) means that you favor the Iranian mullahs!

            Opposing ANY human policies worldwide, then, favors the Arcturian Lizard people!

            Hey JesseAZ… You oppose the mullahs? WHY do you favor the Arcturian Lizard people!?!!? Are you a “fifth column” of the Arcturian Lizard people!!?!?

      3. ENB also somehow missed the many Iranians openly celebrating his death with cakes and social media posts.

        If that was the standard of when we should kill foreign leaders then every foreign leader would be fair game.

        1. What is with some of you dumbfucks this morning. I never opted for a standard of killing s foreign leader, I stated ENB is ignoring celebrations in Iran because it is against the narrative she wants. Remember, Reason actually did support the Arab spring at some point.

          What an idiotic response to my comment.

          1. I never opted for a standard of killing s foreign leader

            No, you just reflexively defend this killing of a foreign leader in every way possible. Even pointing out here that it is popular among some Iranians.

            1. The Iranian and Iraqi general planned and carried out plans that killed Americans.

              The AUMF covers Iraq where they were droned.

              Fuck them.

              I am open to any claims that these guys did NOT plan and/or carry out killing of Americans. I have not heard one supported claim of that.

              1. Oh and they planned and carried out plans to damage US property (US Embassy in Baghdad).

                Remember, Leo you are for property rights.

                1. Defending your property means you get to shoot the guy that is attacking it. It doesn’t mean you get to shoot somebody days later.

                  1. There had been over 30 rocket attacks within days of the killing. What is your desired grace period?

                  2. It does if that attacker is planning more raids on your property based on previous raids on your property.

              2. Look who is invoking the AUMF that he claims he and Trump wants to be scaled back just down thread.

                1. I think the AUMF is a bullshit replacement for a DoW. Unfortunately for my opinion, the US Constitution does not specify what a DoW must be.

                  Congress authorized military action in the AUMF. The US Constitution requires Congress give approval for war.
                  S.J.Res. 23 (107th): Authorization for Use of Military Force
                  To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

                2. Trump can drone a great target of opportunity AND want the AUMF scaled back.

                  People can be on Social Security benefits AND want that welfare scaled back.

            2. How the fuck was Soleimani a “foreign leader”? This re-framing bullshit is getting tiresome.

              No, he wasn’t a “foreign leader.” He was a paramilitary operative conducting terrorist actions in a foreign country, at the behest of the Iranian government, for years. He was responsible for at least 600 American deaths and hundreds more maimed and injured by the IED program he conducted, not to mention attacks on the native Iraqi population. The guys who attacked the embassy literally wrote his fucking name on the wall as the commander who ordered the attack.

              Stop shedding tears over this turd’s death. The fucker knew the risks and got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. He ran the same risks that ultimately got Maj Gen Harold Greene killed.

              1. This Lefty Narrative about WWIII with Iran is not going to perpetuate itself.

            3. I don’t think you know what the word “reflexively” means, leo.

              1. 3. Of or relating to a reflex.
                4. Elicited automatically; spontaneous:

            4. Which has nothing to do with a generalized policy dummy. You’re usually more intelligent than this leo. Under current laws and regulations the killing was legal. And yes I believe it was also morally justified. Now explain what this had to do with my comment.

          2. Please cite an actual story of celebrations in Iran re Soleimani’s death.

            Or are you – like Dear Leader – ignorant of the difference between Iraq and Iran?

              1. JFree 8 hours from now after the thread is dead:

                “Oh so you’re just going to buy that American-planted propaganda?!”

              2. People in Iran and Across the Globe Celebrate Qassem Soleimani’s Death

                Thanks for the link, TrickyVic (old school)!

                Now I hope the Iranian mullahs don’t shit on their dissenters too terribly badly…

                1. If by ‘shit on’ you mean ‘imprison and/or torture and kill’ then agreed.

                  If you were seeking to elide the Mullahs’ usual methods for dealing with dissent, then go fuck yourself.

    4. Lately Reason has turned itself into an Iranian cultural asset. Time to start practicing Duck an Cover at HQ.

  2. Killing people isn’t a war crime, but destroying buildings is.

    1. Property rights above all else is in the libertarian’s DNA!

      1. Yes, and one’s body/life is one’s property.

    2. Killing certain people is definitely a war crime. But so is blowing up certain buildings.

  3. His official spokesman said their destruction is prohibited under the terms of the Hague convention, of which the US is a signatory

    Until the president renegotiates that deal.

    1. “I have altered The Hague Convention. Pray I do not alter it any further.”

    2. It’s a good thing these militia factions in the ME often use cultural sites as cover which means he wont be actually striking the sites but the faction forces.

      1. You’re a disgusting chicken hawk.

        “Who needs international norms? Let’s let everything be decided by pure force. That surely won’t ever backfire.”

        1. Aww. Poor baby has is idiot feelings hurt? Let me see the same outrage for Democrats using courts to destroy american cultural sites.

          1. He’s right in this case. But a neutron bomb doesn’t destroy cultural artifacts.

            1. Just need some rope and a few sledgehammers along with support of your university chancellor.

          2. “Aww. Poor baby has is idiot feelings hurt? Let me see the same outrage for Democrats using courts to destroy american cultural sites.”

            Courts are analogous to bombs? Do courts kill all the bystanders in the general vicinity of the statues, when they come down… In “collateral damage”?

            And JesseAZ will NOT be outraged at ALL, if a FOREIGN NATION drops bombs on American statues of Southern Civil-War generals, etc.? THAT is what fully completes the analogy! I have NOT heard of American Democrats aerially bombing statues of Southern Civil-War generals!

            Maybe I missed it in the news cycles… Maybe JesseAZ will post a link…

            1. In case the analogy isn’t clear… What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander, type logic. If it is OK for the USA to aerially bomb Iranian cultural treasures, then we shouldn’t bitch too much, when some other nation aerially bombs American cultural treasures.

              Of course, “my tribe, right or wrong” supersedes ALL logic and senses of fairness, proportionality, international norms, and so on! In the minds of those with war boners, at least!

      2. I thought we had neutron bombs to protect these sites while killing the faction forces.

    3. “I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further.”

      1. Who’s wearing the baby’s bonnet and riding the tricycle?

        1. *Unicycle…

    4. We’re allowed to strike them when an enemy is specifically using them as cover. The same with schools, churches, and other buildings that would usually be off limits.

  4. Orange Hitler literally started World War 3 as a distraction from impeachment. Which actually strengthens the case for impeachment. This might end up being even bigger than #TrumpUkraine.

    #Impeach
    #Resist

    1. And just on the 1% chance that World War 3 doesn’t happen, it would still prove Drumpf is Putin’s Puppet. Neera Tanden explains:

      You know who loves this news [of the US potentially leaving Iraq] and will now have a much wider footprint in the Middle East? Putin.

      #TrumpRussia

      1. Wait!
        Wait!
        My Liberal Tears coffeve mug runneth over!

  5. How Fox News learned to embrace the deep state again…

    And no doubt their ideological opponents in the cable landscape will also reverse course. These pendulum swings are eternal.

    1. The irony after reason embraced the deep state against trump just a month ago.

  6. Hey Beavith! He thaid “FATHT AND HARD!” Hehehehehehehe.

      1. Thut up Beavith or I’ll kick your ath again!

  7. Apparently, some pundits are still waiting and hoping for the Amy Klobuchar Moment…

    She will swoop in to save us all at the brokered convention.

    1. swoop in to save us all

      That is Hildawg’s job.

  8. Kate McKinnon paid tribute to the TV show Ellen and its namesake at last night’s Golden Globes…

    No nostalgia for Soap? It was the aliens storyline, wasn’t it?

    1. The Liberace Show premiered on July 1, 1952.

  9. Apparently, some pundits are still waiting and hoping for the Amy Klobuchar Moment

    I’ll give her this – she’s not peaking early.

    1. Speaking of which: Sorta Want.

      I have this thing for sturdily-built Minnesota women. A couple of my old flames live there.

      1. If they are like Kansan women, they have babies that come out sideways and they dont cry or nuthin’

        1. *scream or nuthin’

      2. They’re not all like the ones from White Bear Lake in the movie Fargo (go Bears!). Most are cast iron bitches with a superiority complex. But on the other hand most are very attractive, or at least not bad.

        1. Models from Minnesota include: Courtney Hansen, Jessica Biel, Janelle Pierzina, Cheryl Tiegs, Lili St. Cyr…

  10. Trump Wants to Target Iranian Cultural Sites, Says His Tweets Shall Serve as Notice to Congress

    Hahaha. Lefties want to make Trump private account tweets part of the historical record, there HERE IS YOUR HISTORICAL RECORD!

    1. If the court says he can’t block people from his private twitter because he is a public figure then his tweets are public record and sufficient to notify Congress (along with everyone else.).

    2. You have no comment about the president declaring his intent to start a war without asking congress for approval. Even though there was no emergency or imminent threat?

      Fucking chicken hawk fake libertarians.

      1. He never declared he was starting a war. Ignorance isnt your friend.

        1. “Ignorance isnt your friend.”
          For DOL?
          You’re right, it’s his mother.

      2. Iraq is covered by the AUMF and the Iranian and Iraqi generals droned were inside Iraq.

        Thanks Congress!

      3. declaring his intent to start a war

        Stop making shit up.

        1. He’s making shit up about Trump but fails to acknowledge that Iran has been leading the death to America chant for decades.

          1. Did he freak out how Iran was “starting a war” when they shot down our recon drone over the Straits of Hormuz?

            No, didn’t think so.

            But that’s Jeff.

      4. You have no comment about the president declaring his intent to start a war without asking congress for approval. Even though there was no emergency or imminent threat?

        You mean like the illegal war Obama started in Syria? The one that Trump just ended while you had histrionic fits about how he was abandoning our Marxist guerrilla allies the Kurds? Like that?

  11. More bad economic news.

    2020 is not even a week old and Charles Koch is already down over half a billion dollars this year.

    2019 was absolutely brutal for Reason.com’s billionaire benefactor, and 2020 is looking even worse. Because of Drumpf’s tariffs and immigration restrictions.

    #DrumpfRecession
    #VoteDemocratToHelpCharlesKoch

    1. For as much shit as you talk, I doubt you have ever read past the preamble of the constitution.

      Here you go:
      “The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”

      Tell me just how, loveconstitutionthatIveneverread, the Senate will “take matters into its own hands” with regards to impeachment?

      1. The senate makes its own rules in their part of the process dumbfuck.

      2. “Tell me just how, loveconstitutionthatIveneverread, the Senate will “take matters into its own hands” with regards to impeachment?”

        It’s actually quite simply; they can hold a trial and not convict. And leave Pelosi with her ‘participation prize’ in her lap.

      3. poor wearingit sock troll.

        I leave it out of my listing of sock trolls today and Hell hath no fury like a coder scorned.

      4. “”“The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”

        Tell me just how, loveconstitutionthatIveneverread, the Senate will “take matters into its own hands” with regards to impeachment?
        “‘

        Yep, pretty dumb. Especially for someone trying to callout a lack of knowledge of other people.

        The House has already impeached, they have done their part as per the Constitution. Now the Senate gets to do theirs. The house has no control over the Senate trial.

        The Senate should set a date to start the trail and expect that the house will send their impeachment managers.

        Here’s something to consider for pro-justice folks. The house passed articles. They believe they have a case to make. Why do they think they need more time to figure you how to proceed with manager selection? If they were not ready, they should not have passed the articles. Why do they need more investigation about the charges? They already voted.

        Delaying a trail is delaying justice. Justice delayed is justice denied.

        1. And more witnesses. If they drafted articles of impeachment without these added witnesses they should stand without added witnesses. In fact, added witnesses might be seen as undermining the House process – if Sean Hannity or Rush were called. So STFU about witnesses.

  12. “Trump Pulls Back Efforts to Enforce Housing Desegregation”
    […]
    “…An Obama-era rule pressed state and local governments and public housing agencies to collect local and regional data on patterns of integration and segregation, and use it to promote fair housing and equal opportunity.
    The Trump administration plans to propose a rule next week that will pull back those guidelines, arguing that they are onerous and actually holding back the construction of affordable housing. “Fair housing choice,” the new proposal says, is ensuring that people have the opportunity and option to live “where they choose” as long as there is no “unlawful discrimination.”…”
    https://thetrumpyears.com/2020/01/04/trump-pulls-back-efforts-to-enforce-housing-desegregation/

    No! Who’d have thought some nanny regulation would do the opposite of what was (supposedly) intended?

  13. Meh, let’s see what happens, Ms. Brown. Iran has choices to make. For their sake, I hope they choose wisely.

    1. I heard they set an $80m bounty on Trump’s head. Soooo, it might not be wise, but it will be interesting. I’m just imagining Trump being subject to Iran’s version of Operation Mongoose, except even more incompetent.

  14. So Iraq is wants to expel all foreign troops? Or all foreign troops, except for Iran’s?

    1. Iraq committed a show vote that was an action less resolution. basically the same process Amash pursued in 10 years of “service.”

      1. Look at this dishonest fuck who, less than 24 hours ago, claimed the Iraqis were happy about the strike. Now when they vote to show how extremely unhappy they are with it, it’s all just a “show vote”.

        Do you actually believe the shit you type? Your level of inconsistency is astounding. Must be difficult following dear leader through all those twists and turns.

        1. Some are unhappy, some are happy.
          You’re acting as if the Iraqis are just a hive with like mind.
          The vote was symbolic and only by the Shiites, as the Kurds and Sunnis abstained.
          It’s an entirely partisan vote that has even less teeth than the fake impeachment here.

        2. The Sunnis are happy dumbfuck. Do you even know the culture of iraq? You are apparently ignorant.

    2. +1000

      Great point Conchfritters. The MSM wont ever cover that tidbit.

  15. Bloomberg hires 500 staffers in 30 states

    Meanwhile Julian Castro knew that he couldn’t beat Ttrump so he quit the race.

    1. Who Has Dropped Out of the 2020 Presidential Race — So Far

      Other Democrats who dropped out. Leaving almost only old white men.

      Funny that they Party of slavery would accept these old white guys as their candidates.

      1. Elizabeth Warren is a woman of color and she’s still there.

        #LibertariansForWarren

        1. She’s politically red, as in Red China, not ethnically red.

      2. Of all these losers and clowns in this clown car democratic primary, I believe Bernie Sanders is the only one who truly has a base of support that really likes him a lot and is fired up by him. I don’t think anyone really likes goofy-ass, stuttering, early onset dementia old Joe Biden.

        I still have yet to see one single Joe Biden bumper sticker on any car anywhere in the country, which seems rather remarkable considering we’re supposed to believe he’s the clear front-runner. Whatever support he does have is based on pure 100% pragmatism and nothing more.

        1. We’ll know in less than a month. With Iowa caucuses on Feb 3, and New Hampshire’s primary on the 11th. I can’t see a lot of the clowns staying in the race much past then.

          What are the odds of a brokered convention, and someone like Michele Obama being the nominee?

  16. They wouldn’t let me post the twitter links for her meltdown Friday, so:

    rose mcgowan
    ‏@rosemcgowan

    Dear #Iran, The USA has disrespected your country, your flag, your people. 52% of us humbly apologize. We want peace with your nation. We are being held hostage by a terrorist regime. We do not know how to escape. Please do not kill us. #Soleimani

    1. Responding to criticism about her remarks, McGowan acknowledged that Soleimani was an “evil man who did evil evil things.” She said in a tweet that she wrote her initial apology because the United States “is morally corrupt and acts illegally.”

      “It is only logical to appeal to Iran’s pride by apologizing,” McGowan said. “I’m taking one for the team.”

      1. I’d freely give her one for the team.

      2. I would let her apologize….

        A-POL-ogizzzzze…..

    2. Wow, you can’t parody that kind of stupid.

    3. ENB will be fucking herself with a baseball bat-sized photorealistic black dildo tonight while reading those tweets and siccing her cuck hubby on misogynistic Twitter fiends.

    4. Weinstein fucked her brains out. Literally!

    1. You just know the Media were eagerly searching to find the smallest, most trivial connection to Iran in this attack so it could be used as proof positive that the Orange Man has brought the world to the brink of destruction.

      1. I noticed that even the MSM cannot ignore that that base is in Kenya and a joint base with the Kenyan military. The Al-Shabba terrorists were from neighboring Somalia.

    2. So another Whahhabism inspired group attacks America and we are defending Saudi Arabia from Iran, why again?

      1. Why are we in Kenya again?

        1. Or Japan? Or Germany?

          1. Or South Korea? Or Italy?

        2. Why are we in Kenya again?

          Search and destroy mission for birth certificates.

      2. The U.S. (Nixon) deal that the Saudis would only sell oil for US$. The true basis for our ‘partnership’.

        1. “The U.S. (Nixon) deal that the Saudis would only sell oil for US$. The true basis for our ‘partnership’.”

          Has anyone actually crunched the numbers on how much additional demand for the USD is created, by having an oil bourse in dollars and not, say, Yuan, Euros, or some hypothetical BRIC currency they can’t cooperate on establishing?

          And then, how much extra spending, before interest rate escalation occurs on short term US Treasury debt, that increased foreign USD demand allows?

          I mean, people mention the petrodollar all of the time as some magical string that makes the puppet US government dance, but no one tries to flesh out the specifics of how that works. At least that I’ve seen.


  17. Pelosi: House to vote on resolution limiting Trump’s actions against Iran

    Too bad The Maverick wasnt still alive. He could get both sides of the aisle to work together and fuck over America.

    1. I was waiting for confirmation… but yes the democrats decided to side with the terrorists. I cant keep stating how soleimani was the general of a designated terrorist group actively participating in attacks in a conflict zone… and Democrats are backing him. Warrant got ratiod for daring to call Soleimani even a bad man. Democrats are full insane.

      1. Trump has the Democrats by the balls. Since Congress does not want him to pull troops back to the USA, he is getting Congress to scale back their own AUMF. Just another example of Trump getting what he wants one way or his way. LOL

        Plus, another great thing about Trump rolling back government or Congress doing it for him is that after Trump serves his 8 years as President, it will make a bit harder for a new President to act under the 2001 AUMF. It’s a win-win-win.

        1. You’re delusional if you think Trump really wants any scaling back of the AUMF.

          1. We know you don’t play chess Leo.

            What do those checkers pieces taste like?

            1. So you are delusional. Trump knew his supporters would support his moves no matter what. And here we have LC and the 4D chess defense. Trump really wants the exact opposite of his actions.

              1. Why wouldn’t Americans support a limited drone strike that killed 2 birds with 1 stone? It was a great target of opportunity.

                I get if you are against any attacks by the US Military outside the USA. I dont see you making THAT argument.

                Congress shirks its responsibility and uses AUMF instead of DoW. Trump uses that AUMF to off two international terrorist leaders inside Iraq.

              2. It is more clear now Leo. You really believe that many people who support Trump, love anything that he does, no matter what.

                I think Trump wants as much peace and prosperity as he can make happen as President. I think him limiting new wars and trying to leave war zones on good terms is evidence of that.

                I also think Trump knows leverage on a deal when he sees it. Trump cannot pull out of Iraq if it will implode from Iranian influence into a Iranian puppet state. Convincing Iranian leadership that all their actions have real consequences might work. Iran leadership thought they could travel in Iraq and cause trouble without consequences. They were wrong.

                1. Trump has expended presidential power at every possible turn in order to implement his agenda, whether it be immigration, tariffs, Syria, or being tough on Iran in order to please Israel. There is absolutely no evidence to support Trump as being in favor of scaling back presidential authority now that he gets to wield it. None. Zero. Zilch.

                  1. “There is absolutely no evidence to support Trump as being in favor of scaling back presidential authority now that he gets to wield it. None. Zero. Zilch.”

                    Agree. I can’t think of a single President in recent memory that wanted their own power pared back. Maybe if Ron Paul had gotten elected…but then maybe not. Certainly not an America-First populist, which is what Trump is.

                    That said, he might not want the AUMF scaled back or allowed to expire, but I don’t see Trump as wanting anymore foreign entanglements and I do see him wanting to pull back from the entanglements we’re in.

                    I think the strike on Soleimani as another example of Trump liking tit-for-tat. Attack our embassy and have the titanic balls to wander about the scene and count coup? (Plus, God only knows what additional shenanigans Soleimani, Iraqi militias, and Hezbollah wanted to get up to.) Then get droned while still on Iraqi soil. Accordingly, I think it stops there, so long as the Iranians don’t do anything else. Which we all know they will.

                  2. Trump Every President has expended presidential power at every possible turn in order to implement his agenda,

                    FIFY

          2. “”You’re delusional if you think Trump really wants any scaling back of the AUMF.””

            I doubt any president would.

          3. Leo, you are delusional if you think Congress is actually going to do anything.

      2. Congress is supposed to have war powers you brown shirt wannabe. Limiting the ability of the executive to unilaterally drag us into another war should be praised by all libertarians.

        You’re a chicken hawk piece of shit though.

        1. Its almost surprising that in this day and age, hihn wont admit that the Nazis (Brown Shirts) were Socialists and therefore on the Left of the Political Spectrum.

        2. You seem really butthurt that the Iranians are no longer allowed to attack Americans and US institutions with impunity

        3. “”Congress is supposed to have war powers you brown shirt wannabe.””

          No shit. They “supposed to” but decades of Congress ceding it’s power to the President on this issue destroys that idea.

        4. Like when Trump reversed Obama’s executive declaration of war in Syria where we’ve spent nearly 10 years instigating a civil war and the largest humanitarian crisis this century? Like that?

  18. “…and the Iraqi parliament has voted the U.S. military out.”

    Dear God ENB do you even read past the latest WaPo/NYT/NBC headlines when you investigate a story?

    This was a non-binding resolution; US troops are going nowhere. It has no teeth, no timetable, no authority whatsoever. It’s basically red meat for Shi’ites, who make up the largest voting bloc in the country.

    When the US Congress passes symbolic grab-ass resolutions like this Reason is quick to call them out.

    1. It is the middle eastern version of an Amash action, why Reason loves it.

    2. “”Dear God ENB do you even read past the latest WaPo/NYT/NBC headlines when you investigate a story?””

      I’m going with no.

      1. Deadlines are a bitch.

      2. She knows it’s crap. But it also sounds like the sort of thing she really wants to hear. So she is going to repeat it as much as possible.

        It’s a form of self soothing.

      3. ENB said it was about the clicks….sweetie.

  19. France warns US against digital tax retaliation

    France’s top finance minister on Monday warned U.S. officials against implementing tariffs or other measures aimed at harming the French economy, a month after U.S. officials proposed steep duties on French exports.

    In a radio interview, Bruno Le Maire warned that France would retaliate should the U.S. impose tariffs aimed at France’s exports over dissatisfaction with a new French digital services tax that will affect several top U.S. tech firms, according to Reuters.

    Its okay, the Champs Elysee is tree lined so our tech companies can march in the shade.

    1. “…France’s top finance minister on Monday warned U.S. officials against implementing tariffs or other measures aimed at harming the French economy, a month after U.S. officials proposed steep duties on French exports….”

      The French government doesn’t want competition in the ‘screw the French economy’ events.

  20. FLEXI-PRIME Finland to introduce a FOUR-DAY working week and SIX-HOUR days under world’s youngest prime minister Sanna Marin

    It follows a 2015 trial in Sweden that found working only six hours a day increased productivity. Results showed employees were happier, wealthier and more productive.

    In November, Microsoft Japan introduced a three-day weekend for employees and productivity went up by almost 40 per cent.

    Until employees want a 4 day weekend and only work 4 hour days.

    1. This kind of thing can work, but is heavily dependent on the job. For a non insignificant amount of jobs, efficiency doesn’t matter as much as having a warm body where you need it when you need it.

      Though it will also be interesting to see how long that efficiency holds up once the novelty wears off and it becomes the new normal.

      1. Working from home is also a way to increase productivity for certain jobs.

        Europe is very Socialist, so their productivity is already shitty compared to other places. Any new carrot (short work week) is logically likely to cause a temporary bump in productivity.

        These articles make me laugh because they are taken on face value without questions about alternatives to their conclusions.

  21. It’s cute that Congressional Democrats are making noises about exercising the Congress’ war powers but it’s hard to take it seriously.

    I’ve seen it happen over the preceding decades. The party that doesn’t control the White House flaps its collective arms and shouts “Congressional prerogatives! Separate but equal branch! Checks and balances!” The party that does control the White House flaps its collective arms and shouts “Commander-in-Chief! We can’t have 565 Secretaries of Defense!”

    When the White House changes hands, the parties exchange arguments. And if anybody is rude enough to remember a party’s previous stand on the issue, the response is “but it’s different this time!”

    1. Pretty sure the last declared war in US history was WWII.

      1. Correct.
        Since then we have had only police actions, insurgent defense assistance, etc.

        Of course, the military still goes places and does things, but it is not war any more.

        The ‘war on terrorism’ thing used the word ‘war’, but did not designate an actual nation-state that we were at war with, so – – – – –

    2. There’s nothing in the streets
      Looks any different to me
      And the slogans are replaced, by the bye
      And the parting on the left
      Is now a parting on the right
      And the beards have all grown longer overnight

      1. Ah, but we WILL get fooled again.

    3. You note that they aren’t talking about repealing the AUMF.

      1. +1000

        Exactly juris imprudent

  22. “all necessary steps must be taken” to spare “buildings dedicated to religion, art, science, or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals, and places where the sick and wounded are collected”

    “, especially those utilized as staging areas or launching points for military operations.”

  23. Apparently Reason is okay with Iran putting an 80 million dollar bounty on Trumps head and multiple americans offering to do it for half. Guess that hurts the narrative or something.

    1. Orange man bad, so any bounty by Iran on Trump is totes a FREE MIND AND FREE MARKET founding principle.

    2. If Trump put a bounty on an Iranian leader’s head, Reason would have a stroke. Iran does it to Trump and it is totally okay. Explain to me how reason is not objectively pro Iranian.

      1. George Lopez wants to do it for half the price.

        These people aren’t principled patriots.

        They’re fucken treasonous shit heads.

        1. “George Lopez wants to do it for half the price.”

          What would be the reaction to someone offering to do it to Mr. Lopez, for a tenth of what Lopez claimed he’d offer? I’m guessing it wouldn’t be be treated as just heated political expression then.

          It is one of God’s great ironies that the hard Left in this country is trying to make American political disagreements uncivil and violent. It’s also a damned shame.

        2. Threatening the President is a crime. Whoever this POS is, he should be in jail.

          1. Valid threats are criminal. Maybe he meant it, but I doubt it. Either way he is going to get a visit with the Secret Service and a fat legal bill from his attorney(s).

            1. Gonna call that a tax on stupidity.

      2. They are actively ignoring the open celebrations of Iranians on social media over soleimanis death, instead only giving visibility to the iranian government promoted mourning. To think Reason was actually pro Arab spring a few years ago. Can barely tell now as they ignore the same people because trump.

      3. They are totally pro Iranian and it’s probably the one area that isn’t based on TDS. They’ve been that way for as far back as I can remember.

        1. Damn. I wish I was around reason back then.

          I would have loved to rub their faces in the facts of Iran’s history. One such fact is that Iran was so pro-Nazi that the Russians were scared a Lend-Lease route to the USSR would be severed.

        2. Why would they be pro-Iranian? Because of 1953? What’s the reason for it?

          1. “Death to America” is the national slogan.
            Of course Reason loves it

          2. Yeah, once upon a time the CIA overthrew the elected Iran government, and we all bear the guilt of that….forever. Just like slavery.

        3. Yep. I made this point the other day while sarcasmic the sub-70 IQ drooling retard had a fact-free temper tantrum. Reason has supported the Mullahs since 1979. If I had to guess, I’d say that Koch Industries probably sells a whole shit load of oil extraction and refining machinery and chemicals there.

          1. Koch Supply & Trading

            Iran is one of the world’s largest oil producers, with exports worth billions of dollars each year.

            Its existing proven reserves are of some 150 billion barrels, Mr Rouhani said.

            It has the world’s fourth-biggest oil reserves and second-largest gas reserves, and shares a massive offshore field in the Persian Gulf with Qatar.

    3. “”Apparently Reason is okay with Iran putting an 80 million dollar bounty on Trumps head”‘

      Are they sending cash on a pallet?

  24. Cortex and Amash emerge from under the fridge. T on right track.

    Also thank you, Ricky Gervais.

  25. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/01/soleimani-assassination-iran-iraq-us.html

    This is a pretty good summation of Iran’s position. Despite the love fest the US media is giving Soleimani, he was not popular in Iraq. Iran doesn’t want a war with the US. So, it is difficult to see how they can do much about this. Any retaliation will just lead to the US hurting them more and possibly killing more key Iranian leaders and they know it. They are going to do nothing except shoot their mouths off a lot.

    1. The walls are closing in!…..
      You know the rest..

    2. Some countries only understand peace thru superior firepower and that is what Trump gave Iran.

      The MSM refuses to cover current Iran strategies for Iraq and clearly the Iranians want to control Iraq. The Mullas still think that if they control the oil, they can control the USA and have free reign to throw gays off buildings.

      While the USA should not be in Iraq, I 100% support keeping trade sealanes open. Especially since Kuwait and Saudi Arabia need trade if they refuse to join the Caliphate.

    3. Excellent article, John. The upshot at the end was that Iran is just going to take it….we’ll see. You have to think that POTUS Trump and his NatSec team discussed exactly the factors this article points out. And decided to take the shot.

      Did not know about the additional 4 IRGC general officers. That had to hurt a lot.

      1. The fact that Iran publicly tried to assure everyone that the right-hand man was the replacement goes to show how much it hurt.

        I suspect that Iranian tech being what it is, many relationships and communication are done person to person. That means that this drone splattered all the knowledge and personal info these terrorists had all over the place.

      2. Yep. Soleimani, al-Muhandis, six other PMU figures, and four other IRGC generals were all killed in a single strike. No way that many top players are meeting just for kibbeh and sweet tea. Something really big was going on to bring them all together.

        1. At this point, I would have almost supported impeaching Trump if he didn’t order the droning. Too good of an opportunity target.

    4. The media and the galaxy-brains here actually think Iran is stupid and reactionary enough to escalate a proxy conflict with the US into a full-blown war.

      The last thing Iran wants, given how fucked their economy is right now, is a full-scale war, no matter how many ludicrous fantasies the left has right now that World War 3 is about to break out, in their insane desire to recreate the heady days of the mid-2000s.

      Another piece of this is that Iraq was recently granted a sanctions waiver so it could continue trading with Iran. This waiver is critical to actually keeping its economy from completely cratering, because it’s backed by US dollars and aid.

      1. Didn’t you know, Iran is way more powerful than the US.
        They can do anything they want and we will lose.
        The US should live in fear!

    5. Expect a new article of impeachment. “Trump committed treason by killing an enemy combatant.”

  26. Destruction of cultural heritage sites and artifacts is opposed by the U.N. Security Council.

    Ok.

    Acts such as these are considered by many to be a war crime

    Someone has lost the plot.

    1. Civilized warfare old chum, you know, like Europeans have always done. /s

    2. Intentional targeting of historically significant artifacts is a war crime, and the Heffalumps would likely convict Trump if that occurs. And they should.

  27. “If I hadn’t seen her on TV, I would have thought ‘I could never be on TV. They don’t let LGBT people be on TV.’ And more than that, I would have gone on thinking that I was an alien and that I maybe didn’t have a right to be here.” —Kate McKinnon on Ellen DeGeneres

    I’m pretty sure Ellen is one of the alphabet people.

    1. I’m wondering what period of time she was referencing. Will & Grace had a pretty good run from 1998-2006.

    2. “LGBT people” have been on TV practically since the beginning. And they were in movies before that.

      1. Katherine Hepburn got on everybody

  28. Owing to that last bit, Trump has started threatening Iraq again.

    It’s a negotiation. We have spent a lot of blood and treasure there. They should purchase what we’ve built, or we can opt to leave it as we found it.

  29. place limits on Trump’s ability to engage in hostilities.

    If we aren’t diligent he might topple a regime in north Africa resulting in a return of open air slave trade or something.

    1. Nope. There’s no Youtube vid to cause it.

  30. does anyone really give a shit who Kate McKinnon makes out with?

    1. How can you say that about someone who could have performed the greatest comedy skit in SNL history but threw it away for a mopey piano recital?

      1. no SNL skit not starring Richard Pryor can be the greatest one.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9TS1pRmajU

        1. Um…John Belushi or it’s shit

          1. Um…Gilda Radner or I’ll cut you.

            1. You all need to go live in a van down by the river if you don’t realize Chris’s Farley was the king.

              1. No. But his Chippendale skit was hysterical.

  31. Threatening to target and kill innocent families, women and children – which is what you’re doing by targeting cultural sites – does not make you a “tough guy.”

    Yeah, there are tons of women and children at Iran cultural sites. Wow, does her stupidity know no bounds?

    1. Yes, there are. A “cultural site” is a civilian target by definition. We would be condemning these statements by any other world leader. We should tolerate them from our president.

      1. You don’t know anything. Women aren’t even allowed at soccer matches, except for a recent exception made for the World Cup.

      2. You mean like when Iran said Israel should be driven into the sea? Like that?

  32. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are too liberal

    Actually the real problem is that they are excessively ILliberal.

    1. Yeah, I don’t really see much liberalism in those two. They want to take options away from me and force me to take government services. Sounds pretty damn authoritarian to me.

  33. Discuss this article on Quora:

    https://www.quora.com/q/sgrmlrcbxkjitfee/Trump-Wants-to-Target-Iranian-Cultural-Sites-Says-His-Tweets-Shall-Serve-as-Notice-to-Congress

    Quora is a vibrant community where everyone must use their real names and a “be nice, be respectful” policy is strictly enforced.

    1. Lol. Now neutral mikey is spamming quora. What a dumbass.

      1. I flagged him for spamming weeks ago. I thought he was gone.

        He was a sock troll from Day 1. His coders must have finally given up after being ignored so much and just gone full spammer.

    2. Quora is a vibrant community where everyone must use their real names

      That’s interesting seeing as how you are a Canadian shitposter who uses at least 3 other sockpuppet handles, and Mike Laursen isn’t your real name. I wonder how that happened?

      1. at least 3 other sockpuppet handles

        Did you, of all people, just type that?

    3. Mike really, really wants to have power over the people that post here.

  34. At one time a year or so ago, Gilmore posted a series of great articles about our FP history in the ME, and how we’ve chosen Sunni vs Shiite most of the time, and the consequences of that. I can’t find those links anymore – anybody have them on hand to post?

    1. The Difference between Shiite and Sunni Muslims and Why It Matters

      Saudi Arabia and Iran are the leading powers of the two branches of Islam. The heart of Sunni Islam is Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam. Iran is primarily Shiite and has been led by a Shiite Supreme Leader since its Islamic Revolution in 1979. The power play of these two countries causes constant friction within the Middle East.

      1. Thanks, but this isn’t the one that Gilmore posted. What G posted was 3 separate long articles. But I do appreciate your response.

        1. Yeah, I tried to find them but couldnt. I would look forward to a good discussion about that topic.

          1. I agree. When I read these at first, I learned a lot more about the complexity of the modern history of ME conflicts and the US role in them.

        1. Thanks. Good find.

          One aspect that was left out of that article is about the USSR’s vulnerability in South Asia. America sought to put pressure on the USSR from as many nations as possible. The Shah was pro-American and the Shiite takeover in 1979 ended that. [I would interested to know if the KGB assisted the Ayatollah takeover to reduce this threat]. Although post-Shah Iran and the USSR were not allies, the Commies clearly felt safer as evidenced by the Afghanistan invasion in late 1979. They must have felt their Iran border was fairly secure.

          If America must choose between Sunni or Shiite, then who is the bigger threat? Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and other Sunni areas are no real threat to America (even with the Sunni 9-11 attack). Iraq and Iran along with other Shiite nations would rule the Middle East if they joined forces.

          Clearly the USA strategy with Muslim nations is to divide and weaken.

        2. Angelo Codevilla is usually worth your time to read. Thank you for posting it. You might also like his “The Ruling Class” essay. (After trying to find the link…) Looks like he turned it into a book. https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0825305586/reasonmagazinea-20/

          Still worth your time to at least borrow from the library.

          The columnist, “Spengler” at Asia Times usually has interesting things to say as well. When I saw the Asia Times byline, that’s who I first thought wrote the piece.

          1. I will definitely find a way to read this. The brief abstract looks very interesting. Thanks for pointing this out.

  35. It’s really strange to hear a comment from Ocasio that’s basically correct and sensible.

    1. I’m not sure if it’s blind squirrelism or normal opposition to everything the other party does no matter what. Either way, I wouldn’t have expected her to call out Obama for his drone strikes.

    2. It’s not that strange. For example she also agrees with us Koch / Reason libertarians on #AbolishICE. And she has explained how a low unemployment rate in the Drumpf economy is actually a bad thing because it means everyone needs 2 or 3 jobs to survive.

      #LibertariansForAOC

  36. The year 2020. We made it to January 5 or 6 before we went full retard.

    Is that a new record?

    1. Lefties were saving up full retard for the first non-Holiday week Monday.

  37. I think the obvious interpretation of Trump’s tweet is that the we know that Iran has positioned military assets at some of its cultural sites with the expectation that the West would be reluctant to bomb them for the same reason that they sometimes locate military assets in schools and hospitals (which is also a violation of the rules of war). Trump is basically saying “we know you’ve been doing this and if you provoke us, we won’t hesitate to take out military targets including the ones that you’ve placed at some of your cultural sites.”

    1. “Trump is basically saying”

      Trump is blessed to have so many MAGA hats to act as interpreters. Being a nationalist, you’d think Trump could speak American English so that people could understand him.

      1. Have you found treatment for your TDS?

      2. You mean like when he said “No quid pro quo – I don’t want anything”? Like that? When can we take ‘ol Nazi Trumpitler at his word and when do we need the interpretation of fine minds like yours?

    2. Can’t Trump spell “Kharq Island?” That’s a “cultural site” that, if destroyed, would severely impact the Iranians.

    3. I think the obvious interpretation of Trump’s tweet is that the we know that Iran has positioned military assets at some of its cultural sites with the expectation that the West would be reluctant to bomb them

      For an out-of-left-field take on Trump’s tweet, an individual might also be considered, “a target at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture.” Specifically, Ali Khamenei.

      But really, I think it’s to prepare people for hearing news that Trump ordered Qom or Isfahan to be bombed, without realizing that significant pieces of Iran nuclear weapons production apparatus are in those cities.

  38. In a story as stylized as kabuki and as trite as “boy meets girl”, Twitter shock jock says something performatively outrageous on Twitter, and all the usual people are performatively outraged.

    Seriously, aren’t y’all exhausted by now? Or at least bored?

  39. What does Jemele Hill think of the assassination?

    Asking for a friend.

  40. There’s an episode of the Simpsons where Bart & Lisa are walking towards each other, one windmilling their arms & the other kicking their legs out front, and one says ‘I’m just swinging my arms & if you run into them that’s your problem.” & the other says, “I’m just kicking my legs & if you run into them that’s your problem.”

    1. I guess I should have said Iran vs Trump but it might just as well be Trump vs Congress.

  41. So is this Solomio guy gonna get his own T shirt like globetrotting murderer Che Guano?

  42. So are the people taking down Confederate monuments gonna get locked up then?

  43. “Let this serve as a WARNING that if Iran strikes any Americans, or American assets, we have targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD.”

    —-Donald Trump

    Gillespie said something once about how Trump’s critics take him literally but not seriously, where his supporters take him seriously but not literally. I think the moaning about UNESCO sites is probably a good example of the former. Without even doing any research, I wouldn’t assume Trump is talking about going after cultural or world heritage sites because they’re cultural heritage sites. I think Trump is telling the Mullahs that they better not authorize terrorist attacks against Americans and assume he won’t strike them specifically just because they’re hiding in the holy city of Qom.

    “Qom became the bedrock of Iran’s theocracy and remains one of the country’s holiest places — home to 200,000 religious scholars, a destination for Shiite Muslim pilgrims and a center of Islamic thought in a country whose political system is controlled by the clerical establishment.”

    —-Los Angeles Times, 2017

    https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iran-religion-20170908-story.html

    When we’re talking about “the Mullahs” of Iran, we’re talking about the religious establishment in Qom–those 200,000 “religious scholars” and their leaders, especially. President Trump is telling them that if they authorize terrorist attacks on Americans, he’s coming after them in Qom. The only people who should think that President Trump was threatening to target cultural heritage sites just to be nasty are people who are ignorant Qom and its significance and people whose TDS is so bad, they interpret everything Trump says in the worst possible light.

    1. “Qom is a focal center of the Shiʿah.[9][10] Since the revolution, the clerical population has risen from around 25,000 to more than 45,000 and the non-clerical population has more than tripled to about 700,000. Substantial sums of money in the form of alms and Islamic taxes flow into Qom to the ten Marja’-e taqlid or “Source to be Followed” that reside there.[11] The number of seminary schools in Qom is now over fifty, and the number of research institutes and libraries somewhere near two hundred and fifty.[11]

      Its theological center and the Fatima Masumeh Shrine are prominent features of Qom.[12][13] Another very popular religious site of pilgrimage formerly outside the city of Qom but now more of a suburb is called Jamkaran. Qom’s proximity to Tehran has allowed the clerical establishment easy access to monitor the affairs and decisions of state.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qom#Geography

      The ten Marja’-e taqlid or “Source to be Followed” that reside there.[11] are the big-wigs or Iran. They aren’t exactly the Iranian government. It’s more like the government serves at their pleasure.

    2. “A Marja (Arabic: مرجع‎ marjiʿ; plural: marājiʿ), also known as a marji’ taqlīd (Arabic: مرجع تقليد‎) or marji’ dīnī (Arabic: مرجع ديني‎), literally meaning “source to follow” or “religious reference”, is a title given to the highest level of Usuli Shia authority, a Grand Ayatollah with the authority given by a hawzah to make legal decisions within the confines of Islamic law for followers and lower-ranking clerics.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marja%27

      Yes, if those assholes direct their religious fanatics to attack American citizens with terrorism, they should be a target–no matter whether they’re hiding in a cultural heritage site.

      Unlike Osama bin Laden and his merry band of evil terrorists, the Mullahs aren’t hiding in some cave somewhere in the mountains of Afghanistan or under cover somewhere in Pakistan. The pope is in the Vatican, and the Mullahs are in Qom.

    3. “[P]eople whose TDS is so bad, they interpret everything Trump says in the worst possible light.”

      It’s a tad bit wordy, but still a viable (and accurate) alternative to “free minds and free markets.”

  44. Since the emergence of Google and smart phones, being knowledgeable seems like it’s less important than it used to be.

    Yeah, you can look up random facts without ever having studied them now, but if you don’t understand the context of those facts before they become a two-sided political issue, you can be easily tricked into believing “facts” that aren’t true.

    There is still great value in being well-read although those who aren’t well-read may not see it.

    1. Been saying for years that, if push came to shove in stopping Iran’s march to build the Bomb, all the talk about the difficulty of hitting those reinforced nuclear sites would prove little more than misdirection.

      It’s the soft squishy and not spending their whole existence under a rock that would be the real targets.

  45. The US targeting Iranian “cultural sites” is more likely just a misunderstanding by Trump of what “cultural sites” actually are.

    It’s just another demonstration of how stupid the dumbest president in US history actually is.

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